So how bad will the FF movie be?

[Dr Mid-Knight]

I go offline for a day and Jessica Alba is the Invisible woman!?!? My God... how bad is this movie going to be?

Mistake number one was choosing Tim Story (Babershop 1 and 2) over Sean Austen (LOTR). Tim Story is a 'hip-hop' director (*tries very hard to not offend anyone despite his views*) and there is no way he could have ever blended into the genre.

Whats this about it being 9/10 comedy?!?! Oh my God, way to ruin another comic franchise Mr. Arad you hack. I almost cried when the rumors were churning about Micheal Clark Duncan as Ben Grimm.

BEN GRIMM IS WHITE!
SUE STORM IS NOT PUERTO RICAN!

Putting "hip" actors into these movies is what killed Daredevil. Spider-man took a basically unknown in Tobey Macquire and made him a star, Hugh Jackman who? Oh Wolverine right I know him.

James Marsden who? Ummm who's Cyclops?... was he in it somewhere with Halle "Steal Screen time" Berry?

I wish these pop culture jerks would follow the #### book.

[Shellhead]

It's way TOO early to start dissing the movie.

And besides, who cares about the racial background of the characters? The Thing is gonna be covered in orange rocks most of the movie and the Invisible Girl can past for white easily. We live in a multi-racial society that's gonna only blend more and more as time passes.

Better get used to it.

Although I do believe Samwise would have been a better director.

[Mr_Clicky]

I foresee great darkness...

Why dont't they just cast Billy Crystal as Dr.Doom to get some extra comic relief? At least it couldn't make things much worse...

[StormCrawler]

I really don't like it when people start complaining far before something actually is released.

It seems to be the same with movies, video games, heroclix sets (and other collectable games)...

It's okay to express your concerns, but you really can't judge something so far in advance.

[tchipley]

I'm a Judge. It's what I do...Judge things.

This movie will only be second to "Halle-Cat" for downright sooky-nees. You know they ain't gonna get it right.

[Blubeard]

Tobey Maguire was FAR from unknown before spiderman

[Mr_Clicky]

Originally posted by Shellhead
It's way TOO early to start dissing the movie.

It's never to early to complain about something.

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by Shellhead
It's way TOO early to start dissing the movie.

And besides, who cares about the racial background of the characters? The Thing is gonna be covered in orange rocks most of the movie and the Invisible Girl can past for white easily. We live in a multi-racial society that's gonna only blend more and more as time passes.

Better get used to it.

Although I do believe Samwise would have been a better director.

Perhaps it's your dream to live in the melting pot but not mine.

So then tell me what the difference is if say they made Mr. Fantastic a woman? Is race so many degrees of seperation from women that it'd be the same?

Race defines the character as much as powers. So with your heart bleeding so much and so eager to be PC what about women's rights? Shouldn't a female be given as much consideration for a male role as a black man being given consideration for a white role? Nope... if they made Human Torch a chick you would complain about it a whole lot I'm sure (Unless you're apathetic to the whole idea and participated in this thread for the sake of argument) but because MTV (media in general) has programmed this generation to consider everyone equal and to be so overly sympathetic to minorities that you'd be willing to completely butcher a movie just for the sake of your equality.

When was the last time they gave a white actor a black character to play?

Not racism, just facts about a movie and whats best for the roles.

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by Blubeard
Tobey Maguire was FAR from unknown before spiderman

So Tobey was an A List actor before Spider-man? What were his movies?

Cider House rules?

I can see how one would put that in the same Tier as the Terminator movies, Indiana Jones and Star Wars.

Is he now? Yeah I'd say he's as big a star as he can be right now.

[Howard d. duck]

Actually Ben Grim will be played by Michael Chiklis (The Angry guy from the Shield), Human Torch will be played by Chris Evans (The Guy from Not Another Teen Movie), and Reed will be played by Ioan Gruffudd (Lancelot in King Arthur and Horatio Hornblower) this is all confirmed. Yes Jessica Alba is the Invisible Woman but I don't see it as a Problem I didn't even know she was Puerto Rican. I've read a Review of Tim Story's Script at www.LatinoReview.com and it looks pretty accurate to the comic (This is coming from a Die Hard Fantastic Four fan) other than a few Doom changes.
All and all it looks pretty promising

[darkphoenix226]

Unlike these guys, I agree with you whole heartedly. They're officially killing this movie. I mean, alright, I'll admit the FF are pretty funny at times, BUT WE NEED FRICKING ACTION. And WHY THE HECK NOT SAMWISE?!? HE WOULD OWN THIS IDIOT DIRECTOR.....sorry, sorry.

I judge things ahead of time too. And then I hate people telling me something like you tell people with no patience. "Patientce is a virtue". Yeah, I dont' care. I dont' have any, deal with it. Same with this, I wanna make my comments now, deal with it. We're all different people. And I say this is gonna be bad.

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
So Tobey was an A List actor before Spider-man? What were his movies?

Cider House rules?

I can see how one would put that in the same Tier as the Terminator movies, Indiana Jones and Star Wars.

Is he now? Yeah I'd say he's as big a star as he can be right now.

I didn't even know who tobey was even when spider-man was popular!!!!!

"So you like Tobey Maguire?"
"Who the heck is he?!?"
"Spider-man"
"Oh that guy! He's alright"

[John G]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
Nope... if they made Human Torch a chick you would complain about it a whole lot I'm sure (Unless you're apathetic to the whole idea and participated in this thread for the sake of argument) but because MTV (media in general) has programmed this generation to consider everyone equal and to be so overly sympathetic to minorities that you'd be willing to completely butcher a movie just for the sake of your equality.

Sounds racist. so since mtv has programmed this generation to consider everyone equal, is that bad? i smell some KKK wafting on this thread.

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
I almost cried when the rumors were churning about Micheal Clark Duncan as Ben Grimm.


I didn't say that MCD is playing Ben, I said that I was upset when he was in the running. But he already played the Kingpin which is about as far as you can pole two characters (Duncan's Kingpin being from the streets Wesley, and comic Kingpin being Eastern European).

[darkphoenix226]

Originally posted by John G
Sounds racist. so since mtv has programmed this generation to consider everyone equal, is that bad? i smell some KKK wafting on this thread.

Alright, I'm not Dr., and I'm sure he'll also have something to say about this.

He's not being racist!!!!! He's making a point, he wants authenticity. I want it to!

[Funky Jett]

This movie is going to be as bad as the other FF movie was.

[1164]

Alba is going to kill this picture....

[Lobot]

Not if she is naked!!!!!!

[DaLuvster89]

Jiminy Christmas! Personally, I'm super - pumped that Jessica Alba is playing Invisible Girl. Autheticity, schmouthenticity. She's smokin' hot. :) I just wish that one day, she will share her defense with me.

Dr. Mid Nite - your dream may not be a "melting pot", but reality is what it is. I ain't gonna call you a racist for that comment, but it does sound like you have some issues... Maybe some elaboration? The Sexism thing is a cop-out - you know that's just not pheasable...

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by John G
Sounds racist. so since mtv has programmed this generation to consider everyone equal, is that bad? i smell some KKK wafting on this thread.

Unfortunately my friend All men are NOT created equal. Esspecially where movie roles ar concerned. Don't try to pigeonhole me with the KKK, they aren't the only racist organization in the world and they are by far the weakest mentally and morally. Pick a more suitable white supremacy group to place me in when you're making gesticulating speculation. What I am you could never understand.

And we may all be allowed equal protection under the law, but there are men that would outrun me, outhink me and outfight me. So am I equal to them? No, I am inferior in this sense.

Same with you, someone's always better. So please, just because they teach that "All men are created equal" garbage in school don't bring it with you into the adult world. We're all oil in a couple thousand years but until then genetics decide who is fit.

:grin:

But back to subject!

[DaLuvster89]

No thanks... Peace out... :noid:

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by DaLuvster89
Dr. Mid Nite - your dream may not be a "melting pot", but reality is what it is. I ain't gonna call you a racist for that comment, but it does sound like you have some issues... Maybe some elaboration? The Sexism thing is a cop-out - you know that's just not pheasable...

I wouldn't care if you called me a racist.

But as for the melting pot comment, here's your elaboration.

As of now. Japan is more American than America. Why? Because they allowed themselves to emulate another culture. Same thing happens here, white kids buy FUBU so they can fit in with the Hip-Hop culture. I was never taught culture by my parents because they didn't know my culture. I'm Irish (Irish 70%, Italian 25%ish btw) and my culture has all but escaped me and has been replaced with this Melting pot culture. I like playing Heroclix with other people of course and I like talking to other people, but when popular media outlets force someone else's culture on me thats when the problem begins. No one is willing to maintain their identity. Everyone wants to watch the new Usher video and buy the Tommy Hilfiger jeans (dated reference I know). No one is special anymore. If you walk down the street right now wearing a kilt if you're scotish you'll be laughed at. Walk down the street wearing Roca Wear and you'll fit right in, because conformity is what's respected and the more conformity snowballs the more blended the culture.

So when we're all a giant multi-culture with multi raced children and so on, who will be special? I know the fact that my parent's parent's had children outside of their culture is what made me such a mess today.

I'm not saying stick to your culture and don't learn about anyone else's, I'm saying honor your culture first and then worry about the Samurai or the Nazis. White characters are white characters, stick your racial flag in them and say "This is a character for our race, have your characters and let them be as important, but leave this character the way it is!".

Otherwise who has an identity besides the one that this melting pot cut-forms you with.

Wow did we get way off subject!

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by DaLuvster89
No thanks... Peace out... :noid:

I'm crushed.

[DaLuvster89]

Sorry - maybe that was a bit abrupt.

[tchipley]

Looks like the fire is about to go out. Everybody's all huggy kissy again. Here let me relight it....

I went to see Spawn with high hopes. The movie was going great until Terry Fitzgerald showed up play by none other than D.B. Sweeney. WTF!! Terry is a Black Guy!!! BLACK you hear me!! One of Spawn's arch enemies is a White Guy so there was room for reprentation for everyone. They absolutely had no reason to miscast Terry like that. I couldn't get past that and it ruined the movie for me. The clincher was that D.B. totally screwed the pooch on the acting of that part. The person I went with was like "what's the matter?" and I'm like did you not read the comic? No? Well Nevermind (I fumed in silence. I would have left but he seemed to be enjoying the movie.)

All the other stuff aside, quit dropping racist bombs. It gets old. It's as cheesy as using R invisible girl on your teams. Everyoneone here is better than that. The good Dr. was just making a point. I got that much from reading it. No big deal.

Moving along now....

[DaLuvster89]

Dr. Mid-Nite-

I dunno, man - that's cool that you have pride in your own culture. I don't see anything wrong with that. I've never really had that for myself - I can't claim to be more than 15% of anything. My great Grandfather and Grandmother both commited suicide by the time my grandpop was 6 or 7 - so I've never really looked too far into my lineage. So I've always just looked at people as people, nothing more, nothing less. And while equality may be some type of truly un-attainable ideal, it's an Ideal that I believe in.

[Gentlegamer]

Alba will be good as Sue Storm if her power is altered to make only her clothes invisible . . .

[DaLuvster89]

GG - don't think about my future wife like that... ;):p

[Bubblehead]

Way too deep.

Tell me this (another poster brought this up!)

How are they going to explain that Sue and Johnny are brother/sister in the movie??????

And Jessica Alba....worst.....casting......ever!!!!

[eltigrediablo]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
I wouldn't care if you called me a racist.

But as for the melting pot comment, here's your elaboration.


I'm not saying stick to your culture and don't learn about anyone else's, I'm saying honor your culture first and then worry about the Samurai or the Nazis. White characters are white characters, stick your racial flag in them and say "This is a character for our race, have your characters and let them be as important, but leave this character the way it is!".

Otherwise who has an identity besides the one that this melting pot cut-forms you with.



The problem with your argument is that it holds up the 'rights' of the white and priviledged classes. There is a reason that an overwhelming majority of significant fictional characters in North America are white: it's because their creators were white. And that's because the white had the opportunity to be exposed to better education, more priviledge, and preferential hiring opportunities in their chosen field.

Of *course* Sue Storm was created as a white-as-snow woman....society, and Madison Avenue, would have had it no other way back in the early 60's.

Sue Storm, however, is not a 'racial' character. She is not the epitome of whiteness, and her character loses nothing of significance if she's not white (as long as Johnny is not white as well, of course).

40 years ago there were virtually no opportunities for black characters in comics. Today, there are. And when new comic characters and teams are created, diversity is respected. Not just racial diversity either.

And that's not a bad thing.

That having been said, I think Jessica Alba is really wrong for the role of Sue Storm. Her skin colour has nothing to do with that though, I'm just more concerned with how she can neither act, nor draw crowds on her name-appeal.

If you want to play the race card and trumpet a 'white actors for white roles' point of view, I'm surprised a 'racist' is the harshest thing you've been called. In my opinion and experience, any time someone rails about race or gender, or sexual preference, and then follows it up with 'but I'm not a racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever'...they are fooling no one.

[hail_eris]

Look at it this way - Halle Berry needs an understudy of some kind. Halle and her award-winning, umm, "talents" are a pockmark on two different beloved comic characters. Her turns as Catwoman and Storm will be seen as the low points of two otherwise strong film franchises. Well, here comes Jessica to carry on the tradition. If you think she's going to be awful as Sue, check her out against the rest of the cast in "Sin City". Now that's out of her league. And incidentally, I liked Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. With everyone else chewing up the scenery, his performance was the highlight of the movie for me.

[Brazil]

Somebody's got some misinformation here:

According to IMDB, Ben Grimm is played by Michael Chiklis who is white. And no-one is listed yet for the role of Sue Storm. However, if they do pick Alba, that would be fine so long as they stick her in a blond wig. She's gotta be blond though...

[green_knight]

I am Latin, and as such, will probably never see a decent comic character brought into movies. There aren't any. My people are represented by half-###ed characters with stupid powers in comic books. Skin, anyone? Now, bitterness aside, I didn't want Michael Clark Duncan playing Kingpin, Halle Berry as Catwoman, or that white guy playing Terry in the Spawn movie. And I don't want Jessica Alba playing Sue Storm.

What if Blade was white? I'd be pissed. And Blade isn't a character who relies on his race to be who he is. His genetics are a factor, yes, since he's half vampire. But his color doesn't make him Blade. I just wouldn't want anyone else playing him.

As for the racial identity thing. I'm American first and foremost. I'm of Latin descent, with Texas Indian blood, and I'm proud of it. But I'm American first. Racial and ethnic identities need to come second to our national identity.
Not ignored, not repressed, just after. Why do we have so many people in America who are rascists or bigots? We have hundreds of groups in America, and they're all going to be suffering from unecessary problems until we put our country first. I don't care what color you are, be a good person. There is no excuse not to.

As for "keeping the breeds pure", genetics show that variety is stronger. Less susceptible to genetic disease. Dogs and horses and British royalty are a great example of what happens when you stay limit genetic variety. Pureblood dogs that are distilled after generations of inbreeding are the dumbest, most likely to have genetic problem little critters you'll ever see.

So, the point is, lets get some comics with decent Latin characters in them, so we can make movies based on them, where Jessica Alba would be an appropriate casting choice.


Honestly, the only comic book Latin character to transfer to the big screen and succeed is Zorro. And he inspired the Batman mythos.

[DaLuvster89]

They could have Jessica Alba playing the Black Bolt and I'd be all for it, so i guess my veiws are a bit tainted... Jessica looks great as a blonde, btw... :cool:

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight


BEN GRIMM IS WHITE!


Dude, he's orange! Chill on the racism...

[ReZourceman]

Wow, looks as though i am the only person happy with Jessica as Sue.

i can see it....pouting lips.....nice......etc.

[Col. Orange]

I just don't like movie guys changing things just because they can.

Making a Steel film? Make it about the comic character, otherwise why buy the rights - it's not like the "Steel" name's gonna draw a audience.

Making a FF movie? Don't want Sue and Jonny to be related? Then why not buy the rights to some other comic property - there's enough of it around that you can buy something that fits the story you want to tell, WITHOUT having to character history.

Hell, why not just make up a new character? Blade was so obscure that, as far I was aware at the time, this is exactly what had happened.

BTW, please, PLEASE, nobody mention the Constantine film.

[Grappler]

As much as I love the SpiderMan and Daredevil movies, don't be fooled by any Red White and Blue flag waving for having Micheal Clark Duncan playing Kingpin and now Jessica Alba playing Sue Storm. If there is racism here its in the movie makers adjusting these long standing characters to draw the respective races movie dollar$$$$. Thats taking advantage of the races.
Althought as previously pointed out, there are not enough Latin characters as there should be, Marvel does have some great Black characters. Sunspot is from Brazil, but I don't imagine seeing a movie about him any time soon.
But I love the Blade movies, and with Luke Cage, the Black Panther, The Falcon, Gabriel Jones, Photon, and G.W. Bridge, Marvel has great opportunities to make films including great black characters. And nothing against Jackie Chan, but I would hate to see him play any of them. For that matter, I don't want to see Hilary Duff play in a Selena remake. But when it comes to making a buck, don't underestimate the movie makers and who they will manipulate.

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by GroovyBoy
Dude, he's orange! Chill on the racism...

LOL! Who cares if I am racist. That isn't the point here and you keep trying to make it the point. Another fine example of conformity; trying to force people that don't agree with you into one word with negative meanings. Like I said before if you read it, racist doesn't describe me.

I'm trying to avoid personal involvement here because no-one knows me on these boards so you'd have a hard time summing up my views with one small word. And it is a very small word and a blunt object to boot. Try something a little sharper.

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by DaLuvster89
They could have Jessica Alba playing the Black Bolt and I'd be all for it, so i guess my veiws are a bit tainted... Jessica looks great as a blonde, btw... :cool:
Down boy!

[TheSpirit]

This movie won't be nearly as bad as the Green Lantern one with Jack Black just confirmed in the title role.

You know, I started reading F4 in the late 70s, but I would have loved an Ultimate F4 movie, with Mole Man as the big villain (a more human story) and only revealing Doom's existence at the end (to set up the sequel).

Alba as Sue? I'll wait until I see some publicity stills. She could be good to look at, but I'm not convinced of her acting skills. Ioan Gruffudd I really like, and Chiklis is another great choice.

This is the one they could most easily stink up. The F4 is all about family - love 'em, hate 'em, they're still family and they've got your back when you really need it. If it misses that message...

[Acmite]

Originally posted by ReZourceman
Wow, looks as though i am the only person happy with Jessica as Sue.

i can see it....pouting lips.....nice......etc.

Oh, I'm happy. Very, very...happy. Yes....happy. Um, excuse for a sec.

Whew! I'm back, what did I miss? ;)

Anyway...I'm a huge Alba fan. And, she's been getting really good buzz about her acting in Frank Miller's Sin City.

I think I would have prefered Elisha Cuthbert, Amy Smart (who, actually, probably couldn't have pulled it off), or...well, that's it really. I had Elisha Cuthbert in mind for Sue.

But, Jessica has ~ the right body and can act, apparently. I think she'll do a very good job. My concerns lie with the script (specifically changes to Doom ie: Van Damme, and the increased focus on Torch instead of a family focus, or even a Reed-Sue focus), and on the untested Director. I haven't seen Barbershop, so I'm not familiar with his work.

Who knows? It could be like Bryan Singer--change the genre
but still succeed--granted, Story doesn't have a masterpiece like Usual Suspects under his belt, but still...

I'm a huge Sean Astin fan--have been since Goonies, and more importantly, Rudy. He directed an episode of Angel and seemed competent. I would have liked to have seen him direct FF--but really, he would have been as much of a danger as Story. Although, at least Sean Astin could call up Jackson if he needed help...

Summary: Jessica Alba is good for the role. Tim Story scares me. Script needs someone like Mark Waid or Geoff Johns to go over it--to un-modernize it.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
LOL! Who cares if I am racist. That isn't the point here and you keep trying to make it the point.

Dude, chill on the racism [before a mod finds issue with some of the questionable things you've said and gives you some more WPs to go with the 14 you already have].

You see what I was saying now (which wasn't what you thought I was saying)?

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
LOL! Who cares if I am racist.


People of other races.

[Lex Luthor Jr]

I don't like Jessica Alba as Invisible Woman either. I will admit that the race thingpart of it. I understand that creative liberties can be taken in movies and that sometimes it works. Kingpin played by a black actor worked. Catwoman played by a black actress works too. (It worked before.)

But at face value it doesn't seem like this will work. Fans of the FF are used to the "family life" of Johnny and Sue. They are also used to Sue as being the blond-haired, blue-eyed Stepford wife. If they want to mix that up a bit, of course there is going to be resistance. If I were Jessica Alba (No jokes, please) I would turn this part down simply because it would put a chip on the shoulder of many comic fans.

However, if she did play Invisible Woman, it would not be her race that would upset me most. It would be her age.

Mr. Fanatastic is supposed to be a seasoned scientist would has been through many hardships with his seasoned yet attractive wife always at his side. Jessica Alba looks like she's 20. I can't see a relationship like that working on the screen. I wouldn't be able to believe they had been married years before the accident. They got married straight out of high school? Smooth move, Reed. Either that or Mr. Fantastic is nothing more than a dirty old man.

Add to that fact that Invisible Woman is supposed to be the voice of pure reason. A 20-year-old woman does not strike me as the "voice of reason" character in a movie.

Especially not Jessica Alba.

By the way, she's not that hot.

[Acmite]

They've "younged-up" the FF. It's closer to the Ultimate version. Frankly, I'd rather have seen a more 616 version, but considering the script, I think the casting isn't bad (again, I would have prefered Elisha Cuthbert).

'Sides, do we have confirmation that the family dynamic has really changed? How is it any different if Human Torch and Sue had a different mother? Isn't Johnny at least 5 years younger? They could have exactly the same dynamic as the original FF. It's not like they're going to make Sue a runaway, or something.

I think Reed is going to be mid-20s, early 30s with an early to mid-20s Sue. That doesn't seem so out of place. It's certainly no worse than the comics.

In fact, during the mid-90s when Sue was all sexed-up (in a flesh-baring sexiform like she was an Image character), the relationship between her and Reed was uncomfortable to read. If they had Alba dressed up in her Honey clothing, it wouldn't seem nearly as out of place or creepy as that period in the comics.

PS. She is that hot.

[Clix776]

There is a large age differential between Reed and Sue - with the nebulous nature of comic book aging, it's hard to pin down, but they're probably 10 years apart. They weren't married before the accident - when they got married in (I think) FF annual #1, they were Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Girl.

I also don't like the casting choice of Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She's too dark overall - the brown hair and the olive skin just don't jibe with Sue Richards, who's pretty pale as these things go. I would have like to seen Rachel McAdams get the part - she came very close (wrong hair color) to Sue's look in "The Notebook". Or heck, just check out her main photo on the IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1046097/

Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson

[DaLuvster89]

Originally posted by Lex Luthor Jr
If I were Jessica Alba (No jokes, please) I would turn this part down simply because it would put a chip on the shoulder of many comic fans.

Movie Exec: "Congratulations, miss Alba. We have decided to give you the role of Invisible Woman in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. Here is a laundry sack of cash."

Jessica Alba: "No thanks - there is a large number of geeks and nerds out there who don't think I'm right for the part. It has now become my policy to listen to them for advice on my career."

:)

By the way, she's not that hot.

Cool, then you are not a part of my competition... ;)

[mylo1wagner]

Ben Grimm isn't white, he is jewish, european jewish.

And quit talking about race and genetics in the same breath, it makes you sound OH SO IGNORANT. There is as much genetic diversity within African peoples than between any one group of Africans and Europeans. I used to ID type people based upon their DNA, and there are no "black" genes or "white" genes; only probabilities that the gene will appear within one group more prevalantly than another.

That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with Alba as Sue Storm. I thought the Kingpin ROCKED in Daredevil. Someone needent be the same color and culture as me to be my hero.

[Acmite]

Originally posted by mylo1wagner
Ben Grimm isn't white, he is jewish, european jewish.

And quit talking about race and genetics in the same breath, it makes you sound OH SO IGNORANT. There is as much genetic diversity within African peoples than between any one group of Africans and Europeans. I used to ID type people based upon their DNA, and there are no "black" genes or "white" genes; only probabilities that the gene will appear within one group more prevalantly than another.

That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with Alba as Sue Storm. I thought the Kingpin ROCKED in Daredevil. Someone needent be the same color and culture as me to be my hero.

Well said.

[hail_eris]

A bit late to do fantasy casting, I know, but Amy Smart from "Butterfly Effect" would have been dead perfect as Sue...

[Goken]

OMG! After reading this whole thread...

DaLuvster, you are da man!!! I'm a HUUGGEEE Sue fan, and I am happy that Jess was chosen over Rachel MacAdams and Keri Russell (especially Keri :S) But I just noticed something disturbing....

We have the same "affiliation" and "location"... Bizzaro World?!?!?!?! lol ;)

[Grappler]

Quote-"Kingpin played by a black actor worked."
I enjoy watching Micheal Clarke Duncan act,
but as a fan of Spiderman/Daredevil, I would disagree that casting him as Kingpin "Worked". Although I do like the film, it is regarded as somewhat of a failure at least financially. Saturday morning cartoons had no problem depicting Kingpin perfectly, but somehow, movie makers with all their money, had to overhual the character.

Good Golly is it REALLY THAT HARD TO FIND A BLOND IN HOLLYWOOD TO PLAY SUE STORM. After all, her character isn't really that much of a reach.
Again, I'll be waiting to see Ms. Alba in her blond wig and blue contact lenses, and then we'll go from there.