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I Am The Game
08/01/2004, 18:59
On behalf of all Heroclix players, why did I get an e-mail from Kevin Goddard begging people to buy Mage Knight Relic Packs?
"How would you like to see a RealmWorx Exclusive card or game piece for YOUR game? It's possible, but we have to show the game companies that we can get our communities involved in promotions like this! So help us move this last bit of stock over the next couple of weeks, simply so we can show them that our members do enjoy these types of promotions!"
If you want money, ask for donations, don't spam me with this garbage. When you make something exclusive for Heroclix, the oft-neglected sibling, then we can talk.
Gacy's Clown
08/01/2004, 19:15
Umm...the owner of the site.:)
Oh, thanks is'et he a mod on the wizkids forums.
darius_dax1
08/01/2004, 21:06
Originally posted by I Am The Game
On behalf of all Heroclix players, why did I get an e-mail from Kevin Goddard begging people to buy Mage Knight Relic Packs?
"How would you like to see a RealmWorx Exclusive card or game piece for YOUR game? It's possible, but we have to show the game companies that we can get our communities involved in promotions like this! So help us move this last bit of stock over the next couple of weeks, simply so we can show them that our members do enjoy these types of promotions!"
If you want money, ask for donations, don't spam me with this garbage. When you make something exclusive for Heroclix, the oft-neglected sibling, then we can talk. I hardly believe this to be SPAM. He is trying to promote this product through this site which you are a member of. I could see if he just sent random e-mail to just anybody from anywhere then it would be spam.
I Am The Game
08/01/2004, 23:55
Unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant advertising, darius_dax1. Sounds like spam to me.
What I found funny was this--"Even if you do not play Mage Knight, these are a great opportunity!"
?????
Great opportunity for what? Ebay??
:confused:
Sure he's trying to promote this product, but it's only good for Mage Knight players. I know plenty of people that only play Heroclix or Mechwarrior and don't give a flying fanny about Mage Knight.
Yeah, I'd call this spam, too.
1) We have all seen ads for the 'extremely limited quantities' for at least 2 months now, on every 'realms page and site. We get it! Extremely limited quantities! Gotcha!
2) There is nowhere in the preferences of my account to disable advertising related email. So it would appear that having an active 'realms account means the site owner can use your address at will.
3) Did I really need to get three of these messages?
4) There is nothing in the Terms of Service for HCRealms preventing the owners of the site from selling or leasing your email address or any other personal information as they see fit. Not saying they have, just saying there is nothing preventing it.
I'm not impressed.
DaLuvster89
08/02/2004, 00:31
I hope there's an e-mail from KG in my inbox at work tomorrow - It will make me feel important! :laugh:
I still ain't buying any Mage Knight carp, though... heh heh ...
Gentlegamer
08/02/2004, 08:29
Not a big deal to me . . . but I'm still not buying something for a game I don't play. When the HeroClix Realmworx exclusive stuff comes out, then we can talk.
Gentlegamer
08/02/2004, 08:33
I should add, that in all fairness, I'm a member of MKRealms so I may have received the message due to my membership there.
Dr Mid-Knight
08/02/2004, 08:43
Well I understand this and I'll try to help you understand it too.
Not SPAM in my book just a friendly clue that if this MK Relic pack succeeds, a Heroclix exclusive LE may be next up. Don't be so short sighted, if you want the Heroclix LE, buck up and buy the relic pack. If you don't want to I can't twist your arm, but I don't play MK and I bought one because I understand the system. Realmworx needs to show WK that their people are interested in buying LEs, it needs to look profitable before Wizkids takes the plunge toward that Beast with the Avengers TA or that Baron Zemo Citizen V LE.
Hey! Look over there! It's the bigger picture!
Just be cool, if you're not interested in supporting the relationship this community has with Wizkids, then delete it like you would any other SPAM.
Everlovinblue
08/02/2004, 08:44
Is the box in your privacy preferences in your User CP checked yes on the question "Allow Board Administrators and Moderators to e-mail me notifications"? Mine was previously checked... and is no longer.
Dr Mid-Knight
08/02/2004, 08:46
Originally posted by Grifter
1) We have all seen ads for the 'extremely limited quantities' for at least 2 months now, on every 'realms page and site. We get it! Extremely limited quantities! Gotcha!
2) There is nowhere in the preferences of my account to disable advertising related email. So it would appear that having an active 'realms account means the site owner can use your address at will.
3) Did I really need to get three of these messages?
4) There is nothing in the Terms of Service for HCRealms preventing the owners of the site from selling or leasing your email address or any other personal information as they see fit. Not saying they have, just saying there is nothing preventing it.
I'm not impressed.
Then why did you sign up? Disable your account as you're not paying for it to begin with. It's free. However this site isn't free to operate and *excuse the term* freeloaders have no right to complain when they agreed to become a member here. Take it like a man and enjoy the privilage of being allowed to post here with so many other great heroclix players.
Then why did you sign up? Disable your account as you're not paying for it to begin with. It's free
skyounkin
08/02/2004, 08:47
Instead of posting on the boards, why don't you privately request not to have anymore "spam" sent to you?
That said.....I never got an email from K. Goddard...:disappoin
I got about 5 of these mails in the recent batch and 3 of them appeared to be empty. I actually ordered the item in question some weeks ago but have yet to receive it. The mails are coming across as ham-fisted spam to me.
Andrew
@ Dr Mid-Knight
Take it like a man and enjoy the privilage of being allowed to post here with so many other great heroclix players.
The right to complain about things that #### belongs to all free-thinking people. But hey, if you've got a thing for getting emails for products you don't want, go open a hotmail account and sign up for a mypoints account - that should scratch your itch!
I Am The Game
08/02/2004, 12:43
Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
Not SPAM in my book just a friendly clue that if this MK Relic pack succeeds, a Heroclix exclusive LE may be next up. Don't be so short sighted, if you want the Heroclix LE, buck up and buy the relic pack. If you don't want to I can't twist your arm, but I don't play MK and I bought one because I understand the system. Realmworx needs to show WK that their people are interested in buying LEs, it needs to look profitable before Wizkids takes the plunge toward that Beast with the Avengers TA or that Baron Zemo Citizen V LE.
Wizkids already knows we want Heroclix LE figs, that's why they offered us Xorn/Magneto instead of a new Mech. If you want Heroclix LE's, buy Heroclix LE's. If you want Heroclix big figs, buy another Sentinel. If you buy Mage Knight products, they'll just make more Mage Knight.
The Relic pack is along the lines of pogs and scenario cards, not LE-Avengers Beast, so you're comparing apples and oranges here.
Ghost_Rider
08/02/2004, 13:03
What I don't understand is that the HeroClix following is so overwhelming, yet they do a "test run" for MK exclusives.
I realize that MK is the driving force that put WizKids on the map, but you shouldn't determine if a HeroClix LE will be made for us or not solely on the relic pack sales.
It's an entirely different game, and many of us no longer play MK so we aren't going to purchase a relic pack in hopes of possibly getting HeroClix LE.
Furthermore, I think it's pretty obvious that any HeroClix LEs would sell extremely well. Just look at all the exclusives from the magazines. If those didn't do well, I highly doubt Inquest and Scrye would keep including these special offers.
Why don't you just put up a survey. "Do you want an exclusive HeroClix LE for Realms? YES/NO." I think something like this would be much better than trying to force people to buy something they don't want just to get future consideration.
Ghost
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 14:37
Originally posted by I Am The Game
Unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant advertising, darius_dax1. Sounds like spam to me. It was not unsolicited...you are a member of this site. You obviously did not check the box that said NO to being contacted by moderators/administrators of this site. The advertising was not irrelevant. Realmworx is attempting to "push" this product to show companies that "exclusives" to this site are viable. Mage Knight/POTSM was the "test" for possible future exclusives.
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 14:39
Originally posted by warden
I got about 5 of these mails in the recent batch and 3 of them appeared to be empty. I actually ordered the item in question some weeks ago but have yet to receive it. The mails are coming across as ham-fisted spam to me.
Andrew Perhaps there is an error in the mass e-mail function of this site. So no ham-fisting has been perpetrated.
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 14:41
Originally posted by I Am The Game
Wizkids already knows we want Heroclix LE figs, that's why they offered us Xorn/Magneto instead of a new Mech. If you want Heroclix LE's, buy Heroclix LE's. If you want Heroclix big figs, buy another Sentinel. If you buy Mage Knight products, they'll just make more Mage Knight.
The Relic pack is along the lines of pogs and scenario cards, not LE-Avengers Beast, so you're comparing apples and oranges here. There may be an HeroClix exclusive in the future that may or may not be an LE. Perhaps it will be an exlusive map or maybe some condition cards or bystander tokens. Who knows? But if the MK offer does well then we may see different exclusives from other games.
Dr Mid-Knight
08/02/2004, 14:45
Originally posted by I Am The Game
Wizkids already knows we want Heroclix LE figs, that's why they offered us Xorn/Magneto instead of a new Mech. If you want Heroclix LE's, buy Heroclix LE's. If you want Heroclix big figs, buy another Sentinel. If you buy Mage Knight products, they'll just make more Mage Knight.
The Relic pack is along the lines of pogs and scenario cards, not LE-Avengers Beast, so you're comparing apples and oranges here.
Am I typing chinese?
Don't you think that if Wizkids sees the Realmworx communities are willing to shell out money for LEs they'll be more open minded toward other exclusive LEs?
And I'll try to settle this for the poor poor babies that can't stand to get a lil itty bitty email from a site they use for free.
RavenProject has said that Wizkids wants to test the waters on Realmworx before trying Heroclix Exclusives. This was posted on another thread Grifter, so make sure next time you know what you're talking about before you start talking non-sense.
It's not hard to understand that Wizkids wants to do different LEs besides the ones they do with Wizard but is it worth it to them $$$?
Grow up a little, delete the email and move on.
Dr Mid-Knight
08/02/2004, 14:49
Originally posted by Ghost_Rider
Furthermore, I think it's pretty obvious that any HeroClix LEs would sell extremely well. Just look at all the exclusives from the magazines. If those didn't do well, I highly doubt Inquest and Scrye would keep including these special offers.
Are you actually contending that the membership of HCRealms is comparable to the readership of Wizard?
The question is "Will we make money?" and the answer is "Lets try a low risk attempt instead of blowing production costs on play testing, designing and painting on a website whos membership may not be large enough to allow us to break even".
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 14:51
Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
Am I typing chinese?
Don't you think that if Wizkids sees the Realmworx communities are willing to shell out money for LEs they'll be more open minded toward other exclusive LEs?
And I'll try to settle this for the poor poor babies that can't stand to get a lil itty bitty email from a site they use for free.
RavenProject has said that Wizkids wants to test the waters on Realmworx before trying Heroclix Exclusives. This was posted on another thread Grifter, so make sure next time you know what you're talking about before you start talking non-sense.
It's not hard to understand that Wizkids wants to do different LEs besides the ones they do with Wizard but is it worth it to them $$$?
Grow up a little, delete the email and move on. What is truly remarkable is that deleting the e-mail would have taken much less effort to post this thread and reply to it several times.
The Sandman
08/02/2004, 14:59
"It was not unsolicited...you are a member of this site. You obviously did not check the box that said NO to being contacted by moderators/administrators of this site."
Hate to disagree Darius_dax1 but that question on the options is
"Allow Bulletin Board Administrators and Moderators To Send You Email Notices?" which most people would take to mean relevant info on site functions, etc. If they intended to send ads, then they should have had a separate option for offers. Now that I know, I took the check off and won't get any of it.
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 15:03
Originally posted by The Sandman
"It was not unsolicited...you are a member of this site. You obviously did not check the box that said NO to being contacted by moderators/administrators of this site."
Hate to disagree Darius_dax1 but that question on the options is
"Allow Bulletin Board Administrators and Moderators To Send You Email Notices?" which most people would take to mean relevant info on site functions, etc. If they intended to send ads, then they should have had a separate option for offers. Now that I know, I took the check off and won't get any of it. Since the item can be purchased via a function of the site wouldn't that count?
The Sandman
08/02/2004, 15:05
I see that you refuse to see what he (and I) is trying to say, so we will leave it at that. I turned off that option and don't have to worry about that anymore. I assume.
RavenProject has said that Wizkids wants to test the waters on Realmworx before trying Heroclix Exclusives. This was posted on another thread Grifter, so make sure next time you know what you're talking about before you start talking non-sense.
Ok, so the people selling the product you DON'T want have told you that if you buy all of those, they will make a product you DO want? You sound like a savvy consumer, no doubt about it!
In any case, to get back to the emails (and not the product itself): The reason I, and I assume many people, did not uncheck that box to 'allow administrators to send you email' is that it sounds like an official notification type of use. Like site problems, account problems, etc. Not targeted advertising.
What it boils down to for me is a feeling of "Not you too 'realms? I thought we were cool, baby!" I'm used to getting ads for other junk from other sites, but I was kind of surprised to get a sales pitch from the good-old 'realms. (And I'm not talking about donations - I donated back when the call went out originally in '02. I'm down with that.)
Anyway, this has been far too much (virtual) ink spilled over this issue. Just wanted to weigh in on the 'negative initial reaction' side of the argument.
It was hardly a traumatic situation and was easily dumped with the rest of the junk mail once I took a look and saw that it was of no interest to me.
However, I, too received three of these, though at least one of them was empty. I don't mind seeing things like this even if I don't happen to be interested in the offer. There was no malice intended, it isn't as if I'm receiving these daily, and it's not unreasonable of them to think that since I play one of their games I might at least get curious about one of their other games.
I'll only get irritated if I find out they're selling/trading the mailing list to/with other operations, they start sending huge email ads with graphics, or I'm deleting several of these each week.
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 15:22
It wasn't truly spam.
Spam, as defined by Bartleby.com (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/08/s0600850.html), is sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists... These e-mails were sent only to Realmworx site members. Multiple e-mails were probably an error, a mistake, that should be forgiven...it is easy to just delete the errant e-mail. I know what spam is...I have to clear about 30 messages a day out of my inbox. That e-mail was not spam...advertising--yes, spam--no.
Darkskaven
08/02/2004, 15:24
I think that there's more chances to see Bystander tokens and or battle condition/feat cards than a Realmworx Heroclix LE figure. After all the offer for Mage Knight was Relic cards, not a figure (more expensive to produce).
Personnaly I will buy a special offer from Realmworx about Heroclix anytime. :cool:
I was tempted to buy the Mage Knight Relic pack to support the site and the initiative, but it's quite complicated from France to send international payments so I finally didn't. :ermm:
Getting back to the main issue : the mails. I've received five of those (the last third ones were empty). I don't know if this is due to my account that I have also on the MKRealms or not, but I am not angry nor disturbed nor annoyed (nor bored....) about these messages. The fact that there's more than one is maybe an error and I'll not shout on Realmworx for this.
Sure it's advertazing, but it has a direct link to the Realmworx forums and as such seems ok for me. And as it's just the first time I've received this kind of messages, I will not go mad about it. If it becomes too common and each week I receive some messages of this kind, I WILL do something and send a message to let Realmworx knows that I don't want to receive them anymore. But as it is now, it didn't take me too much time to read and delete them, and it doesn't make my mailbox explode.
krusticlese
08/02/2004, 16:16
Heroclix is currently outselling ALL other Wizkids games.
If you made an offer for Heroclix exclusive products to the 2nd most reconizable Heroclix site on the web, I'm thnking that you will probably at the very least "break even".
That isn't even taking into account the ammount of players who would actively seek out the Realmworx sites to get said exclusives that they saw their buddy playing with in last week's tourney.
I think that IF the Relic packs didn't sell well, it could hardly be blamed on the "freeloading" Realms users who didn't "dig deep" and cough up some cash for pieces to a game they don't even play. The fact is that MK is just dying off, and estimating how well a Heroclix Exclusive will sell, based on a MK relic pack's sales, is a very inaccurate to say the least.
P.s. I deleted the mail in about 3 seconds. Didn't even break a sweat :)
darius_dax1
08/02/2004, 16:19
Originally posted by krusticlese
P.s. I deleted the mail in about 3 seconds. Didn't even break a sweat :) ..a.nd when you did that how was WK screwing you? :laugh:
krusticlese
08/02/2004, 16:35
I never said Wizkids was "screwing" me, LOL
I think the Relic packs were a good Idea. But If they are trying to get an idea on how many Heroclix Exclusive Battle field Cards or Feat cards to produce, based on these sales, Wizkids might be as suprised as they were the weekend of Wizard World LA (higher than anticipated demand for product)
That being said, I didn't buy the Relic packs because I have Zero intrest in Mage Knight and had no urge to re-sell them on e-Bay. But I hope that Kevin G sells completely out of them, that would be great for the Heroclix exclusives.
Gacy's Clown
08/02/2004, 16:43
Guys, it's not like Kevin was trying to lower your interest rates, send you porn, approve your mortgage, increase your bust size, get you ###### and other drugs, or see if you needed a #### enlargement....
Darkskaven
08/02/2004, 16:45
Originally posted by Gacy's Clown
Guys, it's not like Kevin was trying to lower your interest rates, send you porn, approve your mortgage, increase your bust size, get you ###### and other drugs, or see if you needed a #### enlargement....
Too bad he doesn't .... :p
RavenProject
08/02/2004, 16:52
Okay, since my name came up...
As I mentioned elsewhere, the Relics are a relatively low-cost trial balloon WizKids can float out to determine whether offering exclusive products via Realms sites is worth doing. Creating a bunch of styrene cards is a lot less expensive than producing full figures, not to mention easier to mail out.
You can't compare an exclusive item on the Realms to an exclusive item through Wizard. The Wizard offer is part of a much larger agreement involving editorial coverage, advertising space, presence at conventions and so forth. No such agreement exists with RealmWorx. So while the Wizard promotion demonstrates a benefit in several ways, a Realms exclusive shows only one: Profit.
If the Relic packs move well, then it gives the RealmWorx staff leverage to go to other opportunites and say, "Here's what our previous promotion did. We've proven we can do this, so you should give it a shot." We'll have proven we can make a profit. That means WK or other companies will be more willing to do this again, or try more expensive options like full figures.
So, short answer, selling more Relic pakcs really does make it more likely that we'll get other exclusives.
Which actually isn't relevant to the original point: RealmWorx members feeling that the message they received was inappropriate. You've got a point, and I'm certain it will be weighed in with future actions of this type. Thanks to those who expressed it in a calm and reasoned fashion.
-J
darius_dax1
08/03/2004, 15:45
Originally posted by Gacy's Clown
Guys, it's not like Kevin was trying to ...send you porn, ..., increase your bust size, get you ###### and other drugs, or see if you needed a #### enlargement.... Who's been marketing to Groovy again???
CaptainMarvel
08/03/2004, 16:46
Originally posted by darius_dax1
Who's been marketing to Groovy again???
LOL!!!!
Sorry but that was good!
:laugh:
daburton
08/03/2004, 16:56
Originally posted by I Am The Game
Unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant advertising, darius_dax1. Sounds like spam to me.
I believe that when you signed the agreement to join THIS site, you gave permission to Realmsworx to send email to you. As for Irrelevant, hardly. Go ahead and ##### up a storm about this one. THEN see if they bother to release a similar item come Mutant Mayhem time. And yeah, HC is the "neglected" game...right. Thats why they are the only Wizkids game that gets a con exclusive each and every year since its inception.
All I can say is... it's one or two friggin' emails for cryin' out loud!! If you don't want 'em, delete 'em with all the other carp!
Seriously... what's the big deal? What am I failing to see? Personally, I'd rather have realmworx emails than a lot of other stuff that seems to come through email boxes now. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Gacy's Clown
Guys, it's not like Kevin was trying to lower your interest rates, send you porn, approve your mortgage, increase your bust size, get you ###### and other drugs, or see if you needed a #### enlargement....
Yeah, but just think if he could make all that a reality.
I could buy a second house with an approved mortgage with a low interest rate. Then I could find a girlfriend and get her breast implants and enlarge my "little brain." Then the ###### and other drugs could guarantee our "bedtime" is special and like a Willy Wonka Everlasting Gobstopper. And, with all the porn Kevin would send me-- yippee!!!!
Originally posted by hair10
All I can say is... it's one or two friggin' emails for cryin' out loud!! If you don't want 'em, delete 'em with all the other carp!
Seriously... what's the big deal? What am I failing to see? Personally, I'd rather have realmworx emails than a lot of other stuff that seems to come through email boxes now. :rolleyes:
Hmmm... I don't know.
I'm kind of liking what Gacy's getting.
I can't believe this thread has gotten this big! And yet I add to it...
Please ignore the following rant if you are a donor to the Realms.
What a bunch of wusses this site is filled with. Watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High for the definition of wuss.
HCRealms has been one of the most useful tools (info, rules, trades, discussion, community, exclusives, etc.), along with BattlePlanner, to help me play HeroClix and to play it well. For free!
FREE!
The Realms sends you three e-mails, you hit the delete button three times. That was the extent of your donation. Pretty fair trade to me.
And if you don't want to receive those three e-mails, the Realms allows you to check a little box on your account preferences page.
What a bunch of nancy boys!
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