Marvel HeroClix Ultimates Survey!

[BrotherMagneto]

Tell WizKids what you thought of <b>Marvel HeroClix</b>: <i>Ultimates</i> in their new <a href="http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/survey/index.php?sid=21">player survey</a>!

[Gentlegamer]

So when is the poll on which JSA characters we want in the next DC set?

[Glen Quagmire]

I wasn't sure how to answer that one about whether the points for the figures represented their playability well. I mean, it's a resounding yes for Thor and Hulk, but a definite no for Zemo, Cowl and Python.

So I voted no.

[Inbetweener]

Oh man, I kind of liked Zemo's Dial.

[Psylockeslover]

Where's the choice of "I bought a complete set from someone, so I didn't buy any boosters, or have plans to buy any more.".....?:cheeky:

[BigSoph]

I am with GG on this...want ... no, NEED ... more JSA

3 Marvel in one year with no DC between? What up with that?

And where was the "I have a problem with super-discounted figures (like U Thor, U Iron Man, U Magneto, U Hulk, and Galactus)"

[CarlosMucha]

another survey? who wings the last Galactus?? anyway.

OK, ok, I die for complete the survey anyway...

[RavenProject]

When we start the survey, we're asked to provide our name and email addy in order to contact us should we win the contest prize.

What contest prize?

If there is no contest, could you remove the name and email addy screens from the survey? (And delete the collected information from the database.)

-J

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by RavenProject
When we start the survey, we're asked to provide our name and email addy in order to contact us should we win the contest prize.

What contest prize?

If there is no contest, could you remove the name and email addy screens from the survey? (And delete the collected information from the database.)

-J

Well, I just put in my name as Phil McCraken and gave them a lude e-mail address since they were not giving us anything this time. Problem solved. ;) :laugh: :p

[CarlosMucha]

I mean "who wins"

[Eric Rage]

Originally posted by Glen Quagmire
I wasn't sure how to answer that one about whether the points for the figures represented their playability well. I mean, it's a resounding yes for Thor and Hulk, but a definite no for Zemo, Cowl and Python.

So I voted no.

Ditto, GQ. Ultimates is a strange mix of several characters that are almost too good for the cost, and some that are just plain horrible. (Poor, poor Wrecker.)

I'm also very concerned that the "power creep" Jon L. mentioned in an interview is actually a full-blown sprint. The trend of giving cheap characters insane damage and buff AVs (Scourge, I'm looking at you) is alarming.

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
Well, I just put in my name as Phil McCraken
Any relation to Pat MacGroin?

[Eric Rage]

Seymour Butts?

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
Any relation to Pat MacGroin?

Distant cousin, actually.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by RavenProject
When we start the survey, we're asked to provide our name and email addy in order to contact us should we win the contest prize.

What contest prize?

If there is no contest, could you remove the name and email addy screens from the survey? (And delete the collected information from the database.)

-J

From what I heard, everyone who fills out the survey between 2256 and 2318 Pacific time, on next Tuesday will get a ticket for a drawing to be held at Gencon for the chance to get a Galactus. ;)

[hair10]

Originally posted by Glen Quagmire
I wasn't sure how to answer that one about whether the points for the figures represented their playability well. I mean, it's a resounding yes for Thor and Hulk, but a definite no for Zemo, Cowl and Python.

So I voted no.
See, I thought just the opposite. I voted "no" as well, but because I think figs like Thor are way undercosted. :rolleyes:

[Glen Quagmire]

Originally posted by Inbetweener
Oh man, I kind of liked Zemo's Dial.

I like it, too, but I'd like it more with some Mastermind in there, though.

I plan on playing him sometime, though, just because I dig the character.

[StuManUSA]

ORB

[TheRavenHQ]

I put:

84 Base figs : Too Many.
12 Uniques : Too Few.

:laugh:

[szude]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
Any relation to Pat MacGroin?

Hey, that's Holden's brother.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Glen Quagmire
I wasn't sure how to answer that one about whether the points for the figures represented their playability well. I mean, it's a resounding yes for Thor and Hulk, but a definite no for Zemo, Cowl and Python.

So I voted no.

That was just the obvious one.

I voted yes becuase most of them were on target Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Magneto, Phoenix, and Mr. Sinister.

[shock man x]

I would actually like to see more REVs in a set.

[CandySuxxx]

Originally posted by hair10
See, I thought just the opposite. I voted "no" as well, but because I think figs like Thor are way undercosted. :rolleyes:

have to agree w/ you. i felt the same way. i mean the V Thor is more expensive than the Unique? i will always pick Unique.

[BIG Jack McBas]

I don't even think ANYONE from whizkids reads the survey.

[superfriend]

Originally posted by TheRavenHQ
I put:

84 Base figs : Too Many.
12 Uniques : Too Few.

:laugh:

So you would like more duplicate REVs when buying boosters and having to buy more of them to try to get more hard to find rare pieces?

[Croaker]

Originally posted by hair10
See, I thought just the opposite. I voted "no" as well, but because I think figs like Thor are way undercosted. :rolleyes:

That was why I voted "No". Thor is great, and I love his click, but compared to older pieces he just seems undercosted.

[Cold_Blooded]

did anyone else have collation issues? I've got 8 Vet sidewinder 8 Rookie marvel girls about a dozen hawkeyes and not much else. I even got 2 vet sidewinders in one booseter, and one booster with only 3 figs. Ultimates is bad luck for me.

[CaptainCanada]

I voted no because I thought Thor was insane for less than 200 pts, considering he KO's KC Supes (with a little help ;)) with relative ease. And personally, My R Anaconda and E Lizard ARMIES were getting a little old. WWWAAAAAYYYYY too many duplicates in this set for my liking. But as for the characters themselves, I LOVED the choices. ULTIMATES TEAM FOREVER!

[TheRavenHQ]

Originally posted by superfriend
So you would like more duplicate REVs when buying boosters and having to buy more of them to try to get more hard to find rare pieces?

The opposite actually. The survey asked:

Please let us know how you felt about the following numbers of figures in Marvel HeroClix: Ultimates:

Options were:
84 Base Set figures: Too Few, Right Amount, Too Many
12 Unique figures: Too Few, Right Amount, Too Many

I said that Ultimates had too many REVs and too few Uniques. I think you misread the question or my post...

[TheRavenHQ]

superfriend- Actually... I suddenly see your reasoning. I should have said that there were too few of both.... Of course I don't buy that many boosters I only splurged on Indy... and will probably do so again if they make another Indy set... more REVs floating around will probably lower the eBay costs for me... And more uniques can't be bad... :D

[turdburglar47]

Originally posted by Eric Rage
Ditto, GQ. Ultimates is a strange mix of several characters that are almost too good for the cost, and some that are just plain horrible. (Poor, poor Wrecker.)

I'm also very concerned that the "power creep" Jon L. mentioned in an interview is actually a full-blown sprint. The trend of giving cheap characters insane damage and buff AVs (Scourge, I'm looking at you) is alarming.




I voted no on this as well. Thor and Hawkeye seem crazy. The Sentinel of Wrecking hasn't done me much good yet.

It just seems haphazard. I've got no problem with Scourges, though. 4 clicks with no defense, easy to pop.

[Po Po]

I don't understand why people think Thor is such an overpowered piece. Yes, he does a lot of damage and can hit anyone on the board, but he himself is very easy to hit. His defense never goes over 16, and with an outwitter and a couple low cost range pieces (Human Torch, LE Elektra, even Arwyn), or another high-end range attacker like Super-Skrull, Magneto, or Iron Man, you can whittle him down pretty easily. Every time he does a running shot to hit someone, he's got to stick himself out in the line of fire. It's not like he's got hypersonic, a 17 def., and 10 range (like Amazo, who is only marginally more expensive).

[Po Po]

Same with Hawkeye. 71 pts. is a nice chunk to invest on a character with no defense whatsoever. One hit from a 35 pt piece and he's out of the game. I thought the pt values were pretty valid in Ultimates (with the exception of our poor Wrecker, and maybe Colossus).

[Dr Mid-Knight]

It's unfortunate that so much can be spent on Heroclix but they can't have a drawing to send 1 in every 10 survey takers a .30 cent LE, shipped for .80 cents. Thats $1.10 for all the money I spent on Heroclix and for taking their survey.

Gee thanks Wizkids.

[BIG Jack McBas]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
It's unfortunate that so much can be spent on Heroclix but they can't have a drawing to send 1 in every 10 survey takers a .30 cent LE, shipped for .80 cents. Thats $1.10 for all the money I spent on Heroclix and for taking their survey.

Gee thanks Wizkids. I second that. I must have spent (combind with my Buddy) at least 800$-1000+$ on this game. I don't think WK even CARES beyond their sales about what's going on.

[Dr Mid-Knight]

Originally posted by BIG Jack McBas
I second that. I must have spent (combind with my Buddy) at least 800$-1000+$ on this game. I don't think WK even CARES beyond their sales about what's going on.

Oh God, My collection is valued at over 4k and Wizkids has never given me anything. I buy cases from every set and have every unique.

Yet Hair10 is prolly the Wizkids funding champion. I hear he put little Jordan Jr. through college this year. He's going to be a doctor.

:p

[superfriend]

When I indicated I was not going to buy any more Unleashed, I was given a box to type in why. I gave them an earful, trying to list the biggest general complaints:

Too many variations of already existing characters
Too many Marvel sets compared to DC

I forgot to mention the price increase

[superfriend]

I meant Ultimates

[hair10]

Originally posted by Dr Mid-Knight
Yet Hair10 is prolly the Wizkids funding champion. I hear he put little Jordan Jr. through college this year. He's going to be a doctor.
Yeah... Maybe he can treat my kids after they burn themselves on a fry vat at McDonalds, since I won't be able to send them to college. :p

[jedah_s]

Originally posted by superfriend
When I indicated I was not going to buy any more Unleashed, I was given a box to type in why. I gave them an earful, trying to list the biggest general complaints:

Too many variations of already existing characters
Too many Marvel sets compared to DC

I forgot to mention the price increase

hehe for that box i put:
"bought an entire case of dc unleashed. used my unleashed doubles to trade for the handful of ultimates figures i wanted.
now i'm waiting for another dc set."

my survey will probably be deleted.
"what?! another dc set? :laugh: sure kid."

[grey_zealot]

Originally posted by Glen Quagmire
I wasn't sure how to answer that one about whether the points for the figures represented their playability well. I mean, it's a resounding yes for Thor and Hulk, but a definite no for Zemo, Cowl and Python.

So I voted no.


I voted no as well. And my thoughts there mainly center around the "criminal mastermind" type of characters, from Baron Zemo and Crimson Cowl in this set to Lex Luthor and Red Skull from previous sets.


I voted "Too Few" for both R/E/VS and Uniques. I would love it if every set was the size of the initial Infinity Challenge and Hypertime selections.

They might have more room from set to set, then, to fit more characters into a single set.

For example, BigSoph and GentleGamer, more JSA, and hopefully more than only three JSA in the release.

I was so looking forward to the Serpent Society in Ultimates, then found myself wishing for at least two more SS characters. Anaconda, Sidewinder, & Princess Python are a meager theme team.

Does anyone else find it strange that there was comparatively little in the way of questions concerning game mechanics? The point-cost issue and the "playability" of ULT vs. CM were the only ones I remember. (And that last was sticky for me. In a sealed CM booster event, you at least had a chance to pull a lot of cheap RCE (Nebula), Super Strength (Moon Knight), Probability Control (Calypso) and maybe Outwit (Kraven). Ultimates centered around hoping to see figs with that Ultimates TA. But, there's also been a good selection of Spidey Villains in both sets, so I can't complain. ) :grin:

[Redleg]

Personally I feel like the sealed play in Ultimates is fantastic. I cant think of any set that has better play in a sealed environment. For this reason I vote yes on the point cost of the figures. If you look at the set individually it plays well; each figure compliments another. For Thors high attack he has a low defence and a lot of front end outwitters available to counter his Defense powers. I also beleive it is unfair to compare Thor CT to Thor UL as the sets are so far apart. The game is a work in progress and has gone through some changes.

[GMSLegion]

I voted for too many REVs and too few Uniques as well, but I had a specific idea in mind for how this could be fixed:

Slot 1 of 4: 1 REV numbered from 1-24
Slot 2 of 4: 1 REV numbered from 25-48
Slot 3 of 4: 1 REV numbered from 49-72
Slot 4 of 4: 1 Unique numbered from 73-96

Of course, if they just keep the same distribution as now, then increasing the Unique count and dropping the number of REV sets would mean we'll have three times as many Princess Pythons while looking for one of two dozen Uniques. They'd have to change the distribution and make it more buyer-friendly for it to work.

[I Am The Game]

I thought the set size is just right. If anything, more nons, but keep the uniques the same.

Who wants more uniques and less R/E/V's? Don't you have enough doubles yet? Infinity and Hypertime were great sets because you weren't opening packs just to get the last three uniques. While you were trying for the Thanos or the Flash, you still needed a few Nightwings, Magnetos and the Vet Thug to go along with it. More uniques mean people will be MORE turned off to buying packs, and just buy singles on the secondary market. Wizkids gets nothing out of that.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Manchine
That was just the obvious one.

I voted yes becuase most of them were on target Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Magneto, Phoenix, and Mr. Sinister.

I didn't choose your particular post to pick on you, it's just that you list a bunch of people, so it's a good reference for my post.

I think that Thor has that Firelord feeling and should be about 10 to 15 points more. Yeah, he only has one click of Imperv, and he's pretty easy to hit most of the time, but he has such high damage throughout and the Ultimates TA.

I was afraid Hawkeye might be too cheap, but man is that guy turning out to be a glass jaw.

I agree that Hulk, Iron Man, and Phoenix look real good. I haven't seen Mr. Sinister in play, so I can't give an opinion. Magneto is a monster, but I guess 144 is okay.

Cyclops seems cheap for the amount of havok he causes. The fact that he has Running Shot and natural damage on that first click just makes him so sick.

I'm not worried about Scourge because he has a fruitfly-lengthed dial.

Then you get to those uniques that are worthless because they cost too much: Cowl and Zemo. I think Vindicator might be 10 points too much as well...

[Gargantua]

I said that Ultimates had too many REVs and too few Uniques. I think you misread the question or my post...

That was his point exactly, more Uniques, fewer REVs means that in your quest to get all those Uniques you'll get far more dupes of the REV figures.

I went the opposite, more REVs fewer Uniques, but mainly becuase I collect casually. I try to get at least one versions of each non-unique figure, but I have no expectation of being able to snag all the Us. If I get 3 or 4 while I'm getting what I need, great. I'd be fine keeping the number of Us the same. I'm resigned to the fact that I'll never have them all, or at least not until the game goes to game heaven and I can grab them for cheap from people trying to sell their collections to feed their new obsessions.

I also voted that the point values were off, again more with Thor in mind than Baron Zemo or Crimson Cowl, though the argument could certainly hold for Cowl too. Thor's an incredibly useful figure for his points, insanely so. True he may not have Hypersonic like the similarly priced Amazo, but after 3 or 4 clicks, Amazo's usefulness drops significantly. Thor is still plugging away with major damage until he eventually dies.

[TheRavenHQ]

Originally posted by Gargantua
That was his point exactly, more Uniques, fewer REVs means that in your quest to get all those Uniques you'll get far more dupes of the REV figures.

I went the opposite, more REVs fewer Uniques, but mainly becuase I collect casually. I try to get at least one versions of each non-unique figure, but I have no expectation of being able to snag all the Us. If I get 3 or 4 while I'm getting what I need, great. I'd be fine keeping the number of Us the same. I'm resigned to the fact that I'll never have them all, or at least not until the game goes to game heaven and I can grab them for cheap from people trying to sell their collections to feed their new obsessions.


I'm like you except more of a gamer. I assume that if they made more uniques it might be easier to find in packs. I only get figs of characters I like and that play well. If they tripled the number of uniques and left the distribution of uniques as it is, it wouldn't matter to me, cause I wouldn't be able to pull one anyways. If they did that and made it easier to pull then I would be happier... And if they lowered the number of differnt REVs and pumped up production of those few pieces, I could find them cheaper on eBay, or by trading.

[turdburglar47]

I presumed fewer uniques and more REVs would mean fewer chase figures. Chase figures are annoying.

[Spdr_Jerusalem]

Chase figures are teh [Edit - RP].

[WakandaMan]

I collect like you Gargantua- I try to get at least one of every REV, especially those with the TAs. Actually more and more I am collecting by TA, so it really burns me when Uniques have them...I still don't have Martian Manhunter or Shazam for my JLA and JSA teams! :devious:

Did anyone else think that the question about the point costs (which is a no because of both Thor's crew and Cowl's) suggests that Wizkids has indeed tweaked their point cost formula for the Ultimates set?

At the very least it suggest that they are contemplating tweaking it.

[grey_zealot]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Did anyone else think that the question about the point costs (which is a no because of both Thor's crew and Cowl's) suggests that Wizkids has indeed tweaked their point cost formula for the Ultimates set?

At the very least it suggest that they are contemplating tweaking it.


Not that what I think matters, but I agree with the last statement, that they are thinking about tweaking it.


Everyone posting here so far seems to agree that the "bricks" or "heavies" are dead-on in the points-versus-playability area.


But, to me, just my opinion, they need to do some tweaking to the "villainous mastermind" types somehow.

I mean, Mastermind my be a powerful way to avoid damage, but how costly is it? It can be Outwitted just as easily as Imperv and Inv. And since it relies on having a rube adjacent to soak up the damage, maybe it could be cheaper?


I don't know.

What do all of you really think about that?

Do any of you bother to play the "mastermind" types?

Or do you stick with the bricks, period?

[ItsNotMe]

I was kind of annoyed that I didn't get a feedback box since I wanted to express my concerns over the power creep. Yes, defenses are staying low, but a high damage and high AV are more effective in play than a high defense. And there's a definite proliferation of big powers with characters that should not have them (Impervious in particular in Ultimates which is used multiple times for people who are hard to hit but are just normal guys when a blow does connect). I'm not really bothered by Thor, it's been pointed out quite correctly that he may kill a character with every action he takes but he's not impossible to whittle down, it's the little guys that really seem to be getting boosted (with the obvious exceptions, of course).

[Juxter]

I do agree that there seems to be a growing trend of the 'short/intense' figs: those with shorter dials, and a whakload of powers/high stats. These figs a short game make. I prefer a longer game, with the ability to watch my little dudes take some licks, and maybe even change a little to reflect how they're doin'.

Oh, and earlier...Cyclops...'havok' he causes. Hee. Sibling humour.

[Cliff Stockton]

I'm waiting for the next DC expansion before I buy anymore.
By that time I may be out of Heroclix altogether.

Hopefully it will be worth the wait if I decide to buy any then.

[Cliff Stockton]

Wow, am I going to get the last word here? Doesn't seem to be much interest in this survey thread.

Wonder why?

[grey_zealot]

Originally posted by Cliff Stockton
Wow, am I going to get the last word here? Doesn't seem to be much interest in this survey thread.

Wonder why?

I guess no one really knows what more to say.


I hope WizKids shares the results.

Shows the questions, as well as what percentage voted for what answer.

I'm just curious.

[darkfrog]

My biggest complaint with Ultimates was that, even though some of the Ultimates and Ult-X are cool, I felt somewhat let down that we had a set that was essentially full of re-hashes of characters we've already seen before. Besides, why play Hawkeye when you can play Ultimate Hawkeye? I don't get that on some levels. I must say great work for doing characters like Wrecker and Lizard. And I really enjoy using the Hellfire Guards. My second biggest complaint is that the Serpent Society and Morlocks got shafted on characters, much like the Legion and JSA in the DC sets. Serpent Society has a huge roster and personally, I'm not sure why they even bothered with the Morlocks if all we got were Callisto and a generic mutant. No Artie? No Leech?

My final complaint, for now, why the heck is Vindicator a member of the Avengers? If nothing else, isn't she at least more of an X-Men Character?

Thanks, and visit my yahoo group: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/heroclix_hq/

[SouthStar]

I agree with much of what you say Darkfrog.

<<My second biggest complaint is that the Serpent Society and Morlocks got shafted on characters, much like the Legion and JSA in the DC sets.>>

I totally agree with the Legion and the JSA getting shafted. Why hasn't there been a Legionnaire that can hold their own in close combat besides Kara Zor-el? Where is Mon-el? Where is Shadow Lass (or whatever they call her now)? Where is Timber Wolf?
With JSA, they've forgotten some lower level characters that can hold their own like Doc Midnite, Sandman, Star-Spangled Kid, and Wildcat.

I'm still holding my breath for the next DC set, but if it's Crisis (as rumored) and there are characters like Kole (who would have Barrier and little else), I'm going to vomit. Can we get some REAL DC heroes and villains? I mean, c'mon... there are so many mainstays that are missing like Mister Miracle, Fire, Power Girl, Doctor Light, Jade, Captain Cold, the Ray, etc...

<<Serpent Society has a huge roster>>

Exactly. If you were going to choose Serpents, I can agree with Anaconda and, to a large extent Sidewinder, but I would have chosen Death Adder or Black Racer before Princess Python. Ya know?

<<and personally, I'm not sure why they even bothered with the Morlocks if all we got were Callisto and a generic mutant. No Artie? No Leech?>>

Not necessarily those two, but heck... why not Masque, Caliban or Sunder? These three deserve more than to be shuffled off into the land of bystanders (as rumored).

<<My final complaint, for now, why the heck is Vindicator a member of the Avengers? If nothing else, isn't she at least more of an X-Men Character?>>

Or with the team of Alpha Flight making it's way into the next set, why didn't they wait for her? My guess is, Alpha Flight will have the same team ability as Avengers.
Glad to know we have the same thoughts on stuff. ;o)

[Kite-Man]

I just put a little Serpent Society logo on my LE Constrictor. It makes him only marginally more playable, but it's fun to have a proper team ability for him.

And If I'm playing The Serpent Society--I gotta have Frank (and Madame Hydra!!) on the team.

[Kite-Man]

Incidentally---Nobody I've played against in friendly games has thought that giving the Constrictor that ability was cheating...