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Hey all.
Well, its almost time for the next step up for the Movie TOCs, and that means the SHW Division. Ive been talking with several other HCRmembers recently, and thus far weve set up a nice list of 28 different characters, meaning we have just 4 or so more to go before we have our Completed SHW List.
Id like to hear some suggestions from anyone interested in this, as well as possible thoughts on the characters already listed. Remember, that while the SHWs are some of the strongest characters around, like in the Comics TOC, there is an unused and higher class as well. So characters like the Devil or God would certainly be too strong here.
So feel free to take a look at the list below, and then PLEASE READ the notes that follow, as they talk about the characters being used in this TOC, as well as their possible strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks all.
POSSIBLE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION
1. Superman (Superman I and II)
2. General Zod (Superman II)
3. Hulk (Hulk)
4. Godzilla (Godzilla) (American Version)
5. Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (Ghostbusters)
6. Supergirl (Supergirl)
7. Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter Series)
8. Yoda (Younger) (Star Wars Series)
9. Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars Series)
10. John Murdoch (Dark City)
11. Gandalf The White (Lord Of The Rings Series)
12. Sauruman (Lord Of The Rings Series)
13. The Kraken (Clash Of The Titans)
14. Draco The Dragon (Dragonheart)
15. Serleena (MIB 2)
16. Professor X (X-Men Series)
17. Magneto (X-Men Series)
18. Imhotep (The Mummy Series)
19. Jean Grey (Phoenix) (X2)
20. “Dream World” Freddy Krueger (Nightmare On Elm St. Series)
21. Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
22. Neo (Matrix Revolutions)
23. Agent Smith (Matrix Revolutions)
24. Ivan Ooze (Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers: The Movie)
25. Queen Bavmorda (Willow)
26. The Mask (The Mask)
27. Talos (Jason and the Argonauts)
28. Winner of the HW Division
Notes:
"Dream World" Freddy Krueger - sure hes Very Powerful, but its a bit of a mixed bag because he has a super weakness. Don’t Fear Him and he cant hurt you. He gets his power from the fear of his victims, and while some on this list wont understand or have the will to resist, there are many more who will, and would defeat this Godlike Being.
Same with Beetlejuice, super powered, but with a very exploitable weakness which many could use, but some could not as well.
Professor X - Well he can pretty much mind control anybody but the strongest of wills or savage of minds, so I wouldn’t say hes too weak personally. Though with someone with too animalistic a mind, or too strong a will, and Professor X is near useless, so he fits right in the middle to me.
Jean Grey (Phoenix) - some say not powerful enough, yet at the end of X2 she mind controlled Professor X, stopped Nightcralwer from using his powers, lifted the Blackbird and stopped the raging waters, all at once. If anything Id think she was too powerful, but Id like to hear more on this please.
Vuldemort, from Harry Potter, was brought up. Personally, I like it, BUT he has no real physical body, and was even more limited in what he did in his films that Dumbledore was, so hes very iffy to me.
Talos - A late, though I think deserving, nominee, but Im curious if anyone knows around how tall he is?
Sauron and the Devil were also mentioned, but I would consider them to be too powerful for even the SHWs, and more of a Cosmic Beings class. Keep in mind that the SHW is NOT the highest list there is. As with the Comics TOC, there is an unused Cosmic Beings list, so if you think a character might be too powerful here, but think that the SHW list is the highest one around, that’s NOT so.
Simply put, the SHW list is NOT the highest list for only the most powerful in existence.
Also remember as with all my other battles that there is a force field around the arena, so no one can fly an opponent into space and leave them there (and no super speed around the World Time Traveling for Superman either)
Speaking of Superman - Since it a part of his legend and mythos, as is vampires and sunlight, were giving him his weakness against magic. Though it was never actually explored in the films, it was also never discounted either, since he never came up against a wizard or witch. This will also help keep Superman, Zod and Supergirl all within the SHW limit, as we have several Very High level magic users here as well.
Godzilla - With much talk with other members, I have decided the Godzilla here is NOT the Classic Toho Godzilla. That form is basically unhurtable by most anything, and has a ranged attack powerful enough to destroy a large city in a few minutes. Therefore, the Godzilla we are using here will be the one from the more recent American film, with Matthew Broderick, (very similiar but lesser powered breath attack and much less durable than the Toho one) so PLEASE make your votes for or against Godzilla based on this.
Im certainly up for hearing more about this list, and anything Ive just said here, but in any case thanks alot for all your help so far. If you have any other questions or comments, please dont hesitate to ask.
lukebuchanan
08/13/2004, 16:53
John Matrix
lukebuchanan
08/13/2004, 16:56
No wait, the kid from Twilight Zone: The Movie.
He could reshape reality, and made his sister's mouth disappear. Freaky little bugger.
I nominate him.
DTM:
I like the addition of Queen Bavmorda, The Mask and Talos to the pre-list.
Now I have an excuse to rent Willow and Jason and the Argonauts again.
I've read the comics and saw the movie so I am pretty confident on how I would vote/write the Mask..... and it won't be for the weak-hearted. His very first comics from the mid-1990's were pretty hardcore.
I like the downgrade to the American Godzilla. Toho Godzilla was just TOO powerful. The twisted side of me would really like to see him there, though.
Originally posted by lukebuchanan
No wait, the kid from Twilight Zone: The Movie.
He could reshape reality, and made his sister's mouth disappear. Freaky little bugger.
I nominate him.
That kid is just TOO powerful. He just had to think it and it happened. I can imagine what he is like now since that woman took him under her wing. Self control and discipline from her means this kid is a rival to God and the Phoenix Force. I would think he is even too strong for the Cosmic ToC.
Originally posted by lukebuchanan
No wait, the kid from Twilight Zone: The Movie.
He could reshape reality, and made his sister's mouth disappear. Freaky little bugger.
I nominate him.
Interesting...though going from the film, he was pretty much a God, who could do Anything he wished. Oddly enough, that little boy might be too powerful for the SHWs.
I love the list! Some real good fighters there! Will the fighting areas be the same as the HW, or will those change too?
Originally posted by ro_gan
DTM:
I like the addition of Queen Bavmorda, The Mask and Talos to the pre-list.
Now I have an excuse to rent Willow and Jason and the Argonauts again.
I've read the comics and saw the movie so I am pretty confident on how I would vote/write the Mask..... and it won't be for the weak-hearted. His very first comics from the mid-1990's were pretty hardcore.
I like the downgrade to the American Godzilla. Toho Godzilla was just TOO powerful. The twisted side of me would really like to see him there, though.
Just keep in mind rogan, that the Mask were using is from the movie, not the comics, so I suggest you write any possible stories with him using THAT character in mind.
I would also like to say how the battle get much more interesting as the weight levels go up. I mean picturing The Bride Vs. Mad Max was fun, but no where near as fun as Palpatine Vs. Hulk
Originally posted by Magnito
I love the list! Some real good fighters there! Will the fighting areas be the same as the HW, or will those change too?
I had no plans to change the arenas as yet, and will probably keep them during the entire Movie TOC run, which means the SHWs and a possible LW, MW, HW and SHW mixed team TOC as well.
EmperorNorton
08/13/2004, 17:17
It has the Marshmallow Man!
I have a new favourite.
EN
Originally posted by DTM
Just keep in mind rogan, that the Mask were using is from the movie, not the comics, so I suggest you write any possible stories with him using THAT character in mind.
It's been awhile since I watched the movie, but from I recall, the movie was pretty dead on. They just toned the violence and hardcoreness down because they were aiming for a younger viewing audience.
How about pinhead,form the hellraiser films.
I can't wait for Zod's match. I mean imagine him telling the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man to kneel before Zod.
It's been awhile since I watched the movie, but from I recall, the movie was pretty dead on. They just toned the violence and hardcoreness down because they were aiming for a younger viewing audience.
Exactly what im talking about. Make sure all write ups are done with the movie character in mind, is all I ask.
How about pinhead,form the hellraiser films.
Very good choice, except we really didnt seem him do anything besides flinging around metal chains with hooks on them. I wish he was fleshed out more, than Id certainly give him a spot here.
Kite-Man
08/13/2004, 17:34
Ultraman. He's one of the world's most poular and powerful heroes!!
I think hes Toho Godzilla sized, so like that Godzilla, Id say hes too powerful for here.
Anyone know how much smaller Gamera is when compared to Toho Godzilla? I know hes a good amount weaker, I just dont know by how much.
How about Nicki from "Little Nicki"?
Er.....havent seen the film, but might have to pass on an Adam Sandler character for the SHWs just on principle alone. :) Ivan Ooze is as low as I go.
coyotejack
08/13/2004, 17:58
Yeah, I think Ultraman (as much as I love him) would be too powerful. Same with the Space Giants.
I like the list thus far. It shows a very good mix of individuals.
bluebeetle
08/13/2004, 18:06
the male dragon from reign of fire???
Nighthawk
08/13/2004, 18:09
What about Johnny Socko and his Giant Robot? They had some movies. More toned down than Ultraman.
Good call, but Im trying to get as many "named" characters as I can, and shy away from Big Machine from or Huge Beast from kinda characters.
Originally posted by Nighthawk
What about Johnny Socko and his Giant Robot? They had some movies. More toned down than Ultraman.
I have No Idea who these are? Any thoughts? And keep in mind if there are two characters here, we could only use one for this TOC.
Skrull_Painter
08/13/2004, 18:36
Mothra: uhmm thats a no-brainer, mothra owns everyone
I'm against Phoenix, too little camera time. I also still think MCP plus giant Sark would be cool.
Skrull_Painter
08/13/2004, 18:41
oh, and I guess you are saving Sauron (w/ ring) for the next class?
What about a T-Rex with a laser cannon on it's shoulder?
Or Bruise Brubaker (sp?)?
Just to make it official:
I nominate Prof. Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter Series)
;)
Rokk_Krinn
08/13/2004, 19:51
Originally posted by DTM
I had no plans to change the arenas as yet, and will probably keep them during the entire Movie TOC run, which means the SHWs and a possible LW, MW, HW and SHW mixed team TOC as well.
I say now that we're into SHW categories you up the danger levels of the arenas, DTM. Make them hazardous - these guys should be able to take it or they don't belong in the category. :)
Yes, this message is brought to you by yet another attempt to get Hill House into one of these blasted tournies. :)
By the way, I call foul on Superman - you use the vampires as an example but you took away their sunlight weakness! :)
And just because I haven't seen his name yet....
Adam West Batman (he's been denied every tourney so far!)
Prof. Aragorn
08/13/2004, 19:54
Boba Fett in his Slave 1?:p
blah, what do we need Hill House for. If you want lethal environments we need Castlevania, and Dr.Wiley's castle.
Prof. Aragorn
08/13/2004, 19:55
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
And just because I haven't seen his name yet....
Adam West Batman (he's been denied every tourney so far!)
Oh yeah! You can't have a tournament without the Bat-even if it is the Adam West one...:cool:
Prof. Aragorn
08/13/2004, 19:57
Castlevania would actually be best for video games since I don't think there's been a movie yet. I could actually see just different parts of the castle be the various arenas-Symphony of the Night was f'n huge!
JesseJames
08/13/2004, 20:13
Malbolgia.
From Spawn.
(Although he might be considered 'Cosmic" powered)
Supamain
08/13/2004, 20:23
I vote to nix the american Godzilla, I think even set on fire, the Stay Puft would win.
please tell me that with characters this powerful we'll be going by what we've seen them do in the movies.
not in outside sources.
if the character can't hack it in this division with what they did in their movie, then they don't belong.
my thoughts on some of the entrants:
*stay-puft marshmallow man.... a joke right? he didn't do anything but walk around. he had no powers... and was made of marshmallow. geez.
*freddy in dreamworld..... he's gonna get rocked due to the pre-match download. every intelligent oponent will know that #1 if you don't fear him he can't hurt you and #2 you can use dreamworld to fight him ala dream warriors.
*yoda... got a major power boost thanks to the prequels, wouldn't have been nearly as interesting pre-aotc.
*draco the dragon... he's just a standard dragon.... nothing too fancy, should have been a hw as far as i'm concerned. hellboy could take him.
*american godzilla... didn't actually have a breath weapon. watch the movie again. he roars and cars fly up into the air then explode. it's the cars exploding, not nuclear breath.
*john murdoch... i'm assuming this is from the end of the film where he's tuning at will. with complete knowledge of his abilities. if not he should have been in the same class as mr. book.
*gandalf the white... poor gandalf... he never does much in the movies. personally i think he did more as gandalf the grey by killing the balrog. the white version didn't impress me powerwise.
*superman.... ugh. you're going to have such a mess with this character.
you're limiting him to two movies.
and using an outside source as a weakness. (and you excluded the vampire weakness to sunlight, not sure why you used that as an example)
he's the main reason i hope you decide not to do outside sources for this toc.
how fair will it be to allow outside sources for the opponent, but not for supes?
please make a decision on that before the toc starts.
Even if you know that the key to killing Freddy is to not be scared, that is easier said then done.
It was said thet the only way the Ghostbusters could kill Stay Puft was to cross their beams. Although many of these competaters could simulate this, he still has a chanse because of the fact that he is hard to kill, I mean, he could kill most of these people by stepping on them.
Is the King Kong from "Kong vs. Godzilla" to powerfull?
LaterMan
08/13/2004, 21:21
Here's some random characters who should be considered:
Neo -(as shown in Matrix Reloaded, not Revolutions)-
The Djinn -(from Wishmaster)-
The Thing -(from John Carpenter's The Thing)-
David Dunn -(from Unbreakable)-
Lord of Darkness -(from Legend)-
The Hammer, The Juggernaut, or The Jackal -(from 13 Ghosts)-
Dracula -(from Dracula 2000)- *with that movie being the only reference of what Dracula could and could not do*
The Collector -(from Tales of the Crypt: Demon Knight)-
Jerreth -(from labyrinth)-
Ricky-Oh -(from The Story of Ricky)-
Yeah, I know that last one is middle weight at best but darn it, I wasn't around for voting back then. :cry:
So anyone who likes any of these people sound off.
The Basilisk from Harry Potter?
Like Medusa with an upgrade.
Maniac_nmt
08/13/2004, 21:37
Originally posted by Rando
I'm against Phoenix, too little camera time. I also still think MCP plus giant Sark would be cool.
Actually Giant Sark would be cool, a great match would be him and Talos. I'd have to vote for the bronze giant, but it sure would be cool as all get out.
For those who don't know, Talos is something like 60 feet tall give or take 15 feet, if we wanted we could make him smaller. He's basically totally invulnerable except for his heel which has a removable screw. Unscrew it and he's dead meat.
He fights the Argonauts on the Isle of the Gods. He has some trouble with them being so small in comparisson, but kills a few for good measure. They attempt to flee, but he picks up their boat and shakes them all into the ocean. All hope seems lost untill Hera tells Jason how to defeat him. I believe it's Hercules and Jason (but could be wrong) who take a spear and crank open the screw on his heel causing his life blood to pour out and he dies.
Not real fast, but immensely strong and durable.
Did think of something though. On the Kraken, it has the lower body of a fish. Due to arenas he might not actually be all that great fighting. While in this power class (as he's something like Posiedon's super weapon, and can cause massive Earth Quakes), he may literally be a fish out of water with no water to move in (I actually think I mentioned the Kraken initially and totally spaced that).
VandalSavage
08/13/2004, 22:20
Originally posted by jedah_s
my thoughts on some of the entrants:
*stay-puft marshmallow man.... a joke right? he didn't do anything but walk around. he had no powers... and was made of marshmallow. geez.
*freddy in dreamworld..... he's gonna get rocked due to the pre-match download. every intelligent oponent will know that #1 if you don't fear him he can't hurt you and #2 you can use dreamworld to fight him ala dream warriors.
*yoda... got a major power boost thanks to the prequels, wouldn't have been nearly as interesting pre-aotc.
*draco the dragon... he's just a standard dragon.... nothing too fancy, should have been a hw as far as i'm concerned. hellboy could take him.
*american godzilla... didn't actually have a breath weapon. watch the movie again. he roars and cars fly up into the air then explode. it's the cars exploding, not nuclear breath.
*john murdoch... i'm assuming this is from the end of the film where he's tuning at will. with complete knowledge of his abilities. if not he should have been in the same class as mr. book.
*gandalf the white... poor gandalf... he never does much in the movies. personally i think he did more as gandalf the grey by killing the balrog. the white version didn't impress me powerwise.
*superman.... ugh. you're going to have such a mess with this character.
you're limiting him to two movies.
and using an outside source as a weakness. (and you excluded the vampire weakness to sunlight, not sure why you used that as an example)
he's the main reason i hope you decide not to do outside sources for this toc.
how fair will it be to allow outside sources for the opponent, but not for supes?
please make a decision on that before the toc starts.
I agree with almost everything I read here...Superman will have the same crutch in this TOC as he has in every TOC...Gandalf or some other magic user will all of a sudden own him because of magic...That's what everyone against him will say..Gandalf just makes a magic hammer..now he's dead...I can hear it now!!
The Marshmellow man is a joke...and Talos will go down fairly easy with such a HUGE weakness that everyone will know!!
T-Rex could take the Marshmellow man and get Full to boot!!!
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/13/2004, 23:42
Im curious as to what people think Gandalf can actually do?
What cn he do?
JesseJames
08/13/2004, 23:45
I have to agree with some of the above posters as well...
The Stay Puff Man??????
wow, Indiana Jones could beat him.
Angelofhate
08/13/2004, 23:53
Erm, I sound dumb for this ... but...
What about Stitch from Lilo and Stitch?
gladiator1518
08/14/2004, 00:03
LaterMan:
I was thinking ABOUT NOMINATING Djinn from the Wishmaster series but He can't even hurt anyone unless they make a wish.
JesseJames
08/14/2004, 00:12
Originally posted by Angelofhate
Erm, I sound dumb for this ... but...
What about Stitch from Lilo and Stitch?
He would probably be a LW/MW
:p
WakandaMan
08/14/2004, 00:13
I like the list in general, very nice.
I'd like to see Super-Neo or Super-Agent Smith or both added.
For arenas, DTM, I'd really like to see the addition of a desert arena. It's the obvious counter to the arctic north, and could be pulled from the Mad Max series.
Angelofhate
08/14/2004, 00:18
Again with the Disney movies...
Sorcerer Jafar from Aladdin (Just before he's changed into the Genie)
The Werewolf/Vampire hybrid from the end of Underworld
Deacon Frost (Blood God version) from Blade
...
Just some Ideas.
allclixplayer
08/14/2004, 00:22
I dont really care who is in the toc i just like ro_gan's stories
the werewolf/vampire hybrid from the end of underworld was losing his fight to victor.
selene saved him.
turns out he wasn't so great after-all.
I know it's called movie battles, but do miniseries's count too? If so I nominate Randall Flagg.
Maniac_nmt
08/14/2004, 00:36
Originally posted by VandalSavage
I agree with almost everything I read here...Superman will have the same crutch in this TOC as he has in every TOC...Gandalf or some other magic user will all of a sudden own him because of magic...That's what everyone against him will say..Gandalf just makes a magic hammer..now he's dead...I can hear it now!!
The Marshmellow man is a joke...and Talos will go down fairly easy with such a HUGE weakness that everyone will know!!
T-Rex could take the Marshmellow man and get Full to boot!!!
Mr. Savage
Shrug, really Talos is fairly capable here. He would get taken by super fast characters who can get in and start cranking on his heel (allthough you'll have to be super strong, I believe Hercules and his 'javelin'/pin were needed to crank it open, it's become crusted shut over the years).
However he should be a real serious match for Stay Puff, Godzilla, Hulk, Draco, The Kraken, Professor X (would get chumped hardcore by Talos), Magneto (since bronze isn't magnetic, or at least magnets don't stick to it).
He's perhaps not a contender for the title, but with only one foe to concentrate on (vs a ship full of Argonauts, distracting him so the others could get in) he should be okay.
Maybe for the Kraken we could come up with some sort of legs when he's in a non water environment, or let him move about similar to Medusa (he's #### fast in the water, but that would be a slow land speed). In an Urban environment his Earthquake causing ability (over huge areas) could be sweet.
Skrull_Painter
08/14/2004, 00:44
what about that giant white flying dog thing from "Never ending story" or maybe the giant rock guy
or even better: David Bowie from Labyrinth!!!
On second thought, even if Randall Flagg is ok, he's probably too weak to compete with these guys.
Instead I nominate a Sandworm from Dune.
VandalSavage
08/14/2004, 00:53
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Shrug, really Talos is fairly capable here. He would get taken by super fast characters who can get in and start cranking on his heel (allthough you'll have to be super strong, I believe Hercules and his 'javelin'/pin were needed to crank it open, it's become crusted shut over the years).
However he should be a real serious match for Stay Puff, Godzilla, Hulk, Draco, The Kraken, Professor X (would get chumped hardcore by Talos), Magneto (since bronze isn't magnetic, or at least magnets don't stick to it).
True, He will give a few characters a run...but if he comes up against Superman or the like it's over Quick!!
Mr. Savage
Everyone seems to be writing off Stay Puft. Remember, the only way the Ghostbusters could have killed him almost caused the end of the world, he was considered to be the most powerfull "ghost" and his sheer size make him a contender. He is at least as tall as Godzilla, maybe taller. Don't count him out because he looks stupid. If we were aloud to do that, Neo wouldn't be aloud eather.
Oh, and I think Phoenix is a low end SHW, but deserves to be there none the less.
Prof. Aragorn
08/14/2004, 01:29
Isn't Phoenix Jean Grey? Doesn't that also mean she can not only TK, but read minds as well. She's the weaker half of Magneto and Prof. X, she is definately on this list.
darkphoenix226
08/14/2004, 02:36
Originally posted by Angelofhate
Again with the Disney movies...
Sorcerer Jafar from Aladdin (Just before he's changed into the Genie)
The Werewolf/Vampire hybrid from the end of Underworld
Deacon Frost (Blood God version) from Blade
...
Just some Ideas.
I think that if we're gonna nominate Disney peeps, I nominate the Ice Titan from Hercules......
If we need outside sources for him, KINGDOM HEARTS!!! w00t!!!!! That'll show what he can do.
Is Cerebrus (besides disney version) in any movies? I think he'd be cool.
We need a hercules (not god) form. He'd be fun I think.
I'll think of some more later.
I would second the basilisk.
And I think Stay Puft will work out fine.
Originally posted by Rando
I'm against Phoenix, too little camera time. I also still think MCP plus giant Sark would be cool.
Phoenix might have had too little screen time, but Jean Grey had plenty. it would be very easy to just look at what Jean has done, and just up her power level to a degree to assume what Phoenix can do. Though of course if a few others here dont like this pick it can be reconsidered, just saying its not like we wouldnt know what Phoenix could do here.
Originally posted by JesseJames
Malbolgia.
From Spawn.
(Although he might be considered 'Cosmic" powered)
Since he was pretty much The Devil in his movie, I think hed have to be a Cosmic Being as well.
Originally posted by jedah_s
please tell me that with characters this powerful we'll be going by what we've seen them do in the movies.
not in outside sources.
if the character can't hack it in this division with what they did in their movie, then they don't belong.
my thoughts on some of the entrants:
*stay-puft marshmallow man.... a joke right? he didn't do anything but walk around. he had no powers... and was made of marshmallow. geez.
*freddy in dreamworld..... he's gonna get rocked due to the pre-match download. every intelligent oponent will know that #1 if you don't fear him he can't hurt you and #2 you can use dreamworld to fight him ala dream warriors.
*yoda... got a major power boost thanks to the prequels, wouldn't have been nearly as interesting pre-aotc.
*draco the dragon... he's just a standard dragon.... nothing too fancy, should have been a hw as far as i'm concerned. hellboy could take him.
*american godzilla... didn't actually have a breath weapon. watch the movie again. he roars and cars fly up into the air then explode. it's the cars exploding, not nuclear breath.
*john murdoch... i'm assuming this is from the end of the film where he's tuning at will. with complete knowledge of his abilities. if not he should have been in the same class as mr. book.
*gandalf the white... poor gandalf... he never does much in the movies. personally i think he did more as gandalf the grey by killing the balrog. the white version didn't impress me powerwise.
*superman.... ugh. you're going to have such a mess with this character.
you're limiting him to two movies.
and using an outside source as a weakness. (and you excluded the vampire weakness to sunlight, not sure why you used that as an example)
he's the main reason i hope you decide not to do outside sources for this toc.
how fair will it be to allow outside sources for the opponent, but not for supes?
please make a decision on that before the toc starts.
Stay Puft was HUGE, and had the strength to casually step on a church and destroy it with ease.
Most of Freddys enemies will know his weakness, but how many will have the strength of will to actually accomplish the task of resisting him? (Batman knows that Scarecrows smoke bombs create his fears, but he sure as heck doesnt resist them all that easily, and this is Batman will here)
Yoda, we are using his younger form, so thats easy enough.
Draco is a good sized flying dragon, with a very good intellect, and very powerful fire blasts. He would have defeated 90% of the HWs with ease.
I dont know, to me it sure looked like American Godzilla had a breath weapon, though he didnt use it much. He was still MUCH bigger than a T-Rex and would have to fit here since he would certainly be too powerful for the HWs.
Yes, this is John Murdoch at the end of Dark City, assuming he hasnt become THE GOD at this time.
Gandalf the White is essentially everything Gandalf the Grey is and then some. I think hell do fine here overall.
Superman I dont think has done anything in 3 and 4, that he hasnt in 1 and 2, besides move the Moon with his strength in 4, which is why were only using 1 and 2 (which were of course much better films). The weakness to magic is simple, it helps the Pre Crisis Kyrptonians stay in the SHW level, AND is definately a part of the Superman mythos, as well as it never been DISPROVEN in the films, therefore it doesnt actually go against anything were seeing in the movies.
And yes, the Other Sources Rule is GONE, as it was creating too much stryfe last TOC. BUT the Assumption Rule is still in effect, and will help some of these characters who while hinted at being their worlds most powerful, didnt show as much of their power in the films.
Originally posted by JesseJames
I have to agree with some of the above posters as well...
The Stay Puff Man??????
wow, Indiana Jones could beat him.
You guys did see the same movie I did right. SPM destroyed a church with ease, and even took all four Ghostbusters nuclear powers streams and kept coming. He was only destroyed when they crossed the streams, which shut down Zulz gateway.
Superman dosent have a "weakness" to magic, he just isnt invulnerable to it like he is to everyone else. So if a normal person would be affected by the magic then he could be too.
for people like Dumbledor can we get a decent list to the kind of powers he does, cause i dont remember him doing very much in the two movies i saw and ive never read any of the books.
Juggernaut146
08/14/2004, 05:43
What about muadibs son from children of dune(sorry if i mispelled that) He had super speed and stuff. Theres also the cockraoch from men in black 1. Personally i think it would be cool if there was a movie monster tournament of champions, but that might just be me
It's too bad that animated movies aren't allowed, as Stitch would have my full support otherwise, he is literaly indestructable, not I'm a cartoon chararcter so you can't hurt me indistructable, I'm a genetic experiment that is designed to be the ultimate in biological destruction indestrictable. He is also brutally strong, he breaches the hull of a starship with his face, on the first attempt no less.
anyway some stuff:
1.With no outside sources I'm against Gandalf, he is almost powerless without knowing his resume, which we only know due to outside sources.
2.Batman and the Scarecrow's fear gas is not really the same as Freddy, Scarecrow causes a chemical reaction in the brain, it would be like trying to out willpower getting drunk after drinking a keg, Freddy's fear is emotional.
3.I know of no way to beat the guy from Labyrinth, he is never endangered or harmed, and only suffers "defeat" because the entire movie is a game to him, I don't know how he could ever lose.
4.American Godzilla does not have a breath weapon, I rented that movie specificaly to see atomic fire done with modern special effects, as such I payed close attention to the scene on question and jedah is totally correct, there is no breath weapon, just a disappointed me.
5.What the heck good is Dumbledore without outside sources?
6.I think Stay Puff is fine, weak in the class, but still in the class.
7.Sauraman is even more powerless without outside sources than Gandalf.
8.I was serious about Han Solo in the Millenium Falcon, and about the Last Starfighter.
9.I want my MCP.
Paradox Factor
08/14/2004, 06:51
American Godzilla does not have a breath weapon
Correct. In the movie, the force of Godzilla's roar knock a group of parked cars airborn. One collision between the cars and the gas tank detonated. Volia, intant fireball.
As for nominations, jeeze let's see:
Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park 3-Hey it did kill a Heavy Weight, the T-Rex
Nuclear Man from Superman IV-Yes the movie sucked. The Nuclear Man is very powerful though, easily fitting into the SHW catagory.
The Eborsisk from Willow-Ya'know, the two headed dragon thing. It breathed fire, IIRC.
The Dark Overlord from Howard the Duck-Heh, I can't beleve I just nominated a character from Howard the Duck.
Boy, SHW are hard to come up with.
EmperorNorton
08/14/2004, 08:14
Did somebody mention Q (Star Trek) yet?
No wait, I guess he wasn't in any of the movies, or was he?
EN
4. Godzilla (Godzilla) (American Version)
No. Just... no.
GINO doesn't deserve to be in.
Also, he's potrayed horribly inconsistantly in his various incarnations (all within the same movie, no less...).
Hmm... for an alternate true Kaiju, how about Gamera? He's smaller, he has fireblasts that, while quite powerful, are -well- below Godzilla's, and while he's tough, he lacks Godzilla's Ur-regeneration (which is part of why G can take such insane punishment). Plus, he's a friend to children!
Btw, I vote for General 'Zod' to win the SHW division.
Originally posted by EmperorNorton
Did somebody mention Q (Star Trek) yet?
No wait, I guess he wasn't in any of the movies, or was he?
EN
And he's easily cosmic.
In some of the novels, he claims he knows god (and designed the duckbilled platypus), in the god-is-another-Q sense. And, of course, he can do a fair impersenation with a snap of his fingers.
Heck, most cosmic-league comic dudes would fall like wheat before him.
i think you're setting up a trap for yourself with superman.
you claim the outside source rule will be gone, but you're using an outside source for his weakness to magic.
and the assumption rule is almost outside sources anyway.
it's going to be a mess.
here's an example
"well dumbledore can do this in the books."
"thats an outside source"
"oh, well he's a wizard, the most powerful at hogwarts, so it's safe to assume he can do this"
and with stay-puft... it's not that crossing the streams was the only way to beat him... it was the only way *the ghostbusters* could beat him.
only thing they had to use were the proton packs.... none of them had super strength, or heat vision, or magic. although bill murry with heat vision is just funny to me.
so what if he was big and stepped on things... thats not an incredible offensive power.
Oh yea, on Gamera's hight: I believe he's 50 feet, to Godzilla's 50-100 Meters, so less than a third the hight and much, much generally smaller compared to even the smallest true version of Godzilla.
A lot faster, though.
I also think this, magic weakness, only two movies, but no outside sources with Superman is just a disaster waiting to happen.
Fat Ninja
08/14/2004, 10:37
Goose is right - Superman doesn't have a 'weakness' to magic, it just affects him like it would anyone else.
I got into this during the comic character tournament, and I'm sad enough to a) have written a lengthy post describing how I think magic works with superman, and b) still have it on my hard drive. So here it is. As I said, this referred to comics Supes, but the logic follows, I think.
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Seems to me magic takes two forms of offensive attacks – direct and indirect.
Something like Captain Marvel’s superstrength is indirect. His strength is magical in origin, but the end result of the magic is still just lots of physical strength. So if he punches Superman, it’s probably gonna hurt, in the same way that a ‘naturally’ strong guy like Doomsday’s punches would hurt, but the fact that the strength comes from magic rather than nature or science is neither here nor there.
So if the end result of the magic is something that can also be achieved via non-magical means, I don’t see why it would affect Superman any different than if it was achieved by those other means. Captain Marvel’s strength is no different to Doomsday’s strength. If Dr. Fate casts a spell that sets fire to a house, the end result is still just fire, and therefore wouldn’t affect superman any more than a fire caused by a thug with a flame-thower. That’s all indirect magical effect, and I don’t see how it affects Superman any different than things derived through none-magical means.
So that’s my take on indirect magic. Now onto direct magic.
‘It’s magic so it would affect superman as though he were just a human’ makes zero sense to me. Magic ‘by-passing’ his powers I can get, and will go into in a moment, but why does magic have a default setting of ‘human being’? Superman is a kryptonian – why does magic affect him like a human? He isn’t one. His powers aren’t artificial enhancements of a human base; they are just his natural state under a yellow sun. It makes no sense that it should affect him like he was human.
That said, it would affect him. This is where his so-called 'weakness' to magic comes in. Say Batman slips Clark some sleeping pills, they wouldn’t work because of his kryptonian physiology. But if Dr. Fate casts a spell to make Superman sleep, Superman sleeps, because it isn’t acting on his kryptonian physiology. I see magic as an automatic by-pass of the usual scientific laws – spell says something happens, it happens, regardless of the laws of physics, kryptonian physiology, or whatever. Magic can get round Superman's 'powers' because they are based in science (albeit ridiculous comic book science). If you throw acid on Harvey Dent’s face, his skin melts. If you throw the same acid on Superman’s face, he’ll laugh at you and carry on eating his hot dog. But if you cast a spell that makes a person’s skin melt, it doesn’t matter if it’s human skin or kryptonian skin – magic says the skin burns, the skin burns.
So to sum up, Magic affects whatever it’s aimed at, unaffected by the normal bounds of science and physics. If it’s aimed at making Superman hurt, Superman hurts. If it’s aimed at making Captain Marvel strong, it makes Captain Marvel strong. It does not follow that Captain Marvel’s strength affects Superman as though he were a human.
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told you i was sad didn't i? :)
not to argue... but i have a few comics where supes and captain marvel fight, and they say cap's magical strength gives him an advantage.
in an issue of jla he knocks supes out after two sucker punches.
hourman says, "not many people can do that."
cap replies, "i got lucky. and he's vulnerable to magic."
again not looking to argue, just saying.
Rokk_Krinn
08/14/2004, 11:56
I took American Godzilla's breath attack to be existant, but not as atomic fire - just a "hurricane breath" (ie: he basically "wind-tunneled" those cars up into the air and then channeled the explosion in a direction). 'Course I was probably just so miffed they took away the atomic breath that I was looking for some relation. :)
I didn't read every reply (and this is my first time posting on this type of thing) but, what about Unicron (from Transformers: The Movie)? Also forgive me if someone else suggested him. Thanks.
Kazuel:
I had brought up using Tetsuo from Akira during DTM PM's to a bunch of us. He reminded me that cartoon movies are out.
brendanbrown
08/14/2004, 13:00
What about Alaniss Morissette God from Dogma. If only that movie was used, she would just have probability manipulation and the nuclear scream. If she is too powerful, than I nominate King Seeser from Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla. He gets pretty handily beat by Mech so I dont know if his power level would be too high or not.
Can we get a run-down on the Monster Island monsters and which ones would be allowed? (i.e. Rodan, Ghidra, Mothra, etc)
Ghidra's out if Godzilla's out. He's almost the only monster that can really claim to be flat-out more powerful than the Big G (the next closest being the original Mechagodzilla from that continuity. From the newer stuff, there's also Space Godzilla and Destroyer, but even then, doing a raw power chart, the original Space Menace King Ghidora is probably the strongest).
Mothra's surprisingly good. In her larval form, she can web-up kaiju sized targets, in her adult, deadly poison that can lay Godzilla low and, in later movies, she gains beam weapons (also armor in one of her solo flicks, I believe).
In general, I think most of the main-line monsters are out if Godzilla's out. The Toho-verse monsters tend to be incredibly resilient, and they're all pretty big.
I think anyone who can kill by speaking would be deemed cosmic.
The Giant Achellies metal statue from the movie clash of the titans?
Im not sure if thats the right name of the movie. But the statue is like achellies, it has an ankle weakness, you have to turn this little wheel on its ankle to defeat it.
The movie is called clash of the titans right???
The Charlatan
08/14/2004, 15:36
Originally posted by King
The Giant Achellies metal statue from the movie clash of the titans?
Im not sure if thats the right name of the movie. But the statue is like achellies, it has an ankle weakness, you have to turn this little wheel on its ankle to defeat it.
The movie is called clash of the titans right???
That was Talos from Jason and the Argonauts. He's already on the list.
Erm, I sound dumb for this ... but...
What about Stitch from Lilo and Stitch?
Sorry, were working with live action characters only.
I like the list in general, very nice.
I'd like to see Super-Neo or Super-Agent Smith or both added.
For arenas, DTM, I'd really like to see the addition of a desert arena. It's the obvious counter to the arctic north, and could be pulled from the Mad Max series.
Super Neo and Super Agent Smith are already on the list. And just to note, Super Smith CANNOT simply stick his hand into his opponent and transform them into another him. He has enough power on his own without this to still easily qualify for the SHWs.
Also, since I didnt create the terrains for the Movie TOC, i would be remiss if I changed any of them without the permission of the originator, Maniac nmt. If he would like to create a desert terrain, ala Mad Max, possibly in place of the Game Arena one (which confused its share of members) then that would be fine, but I wont make any changes to terrains this TOC until I hear from him, out of respect for the work he put into these.
Again with the Disney movies...
Sorcerer Jafar from Aladdin (Just before he's changed into the Genie)
The Werewolf/Vampire hybrid from the end of Underworld
Deacon Frost (Blood God version) from Blade
...
Just some Ideas.
Sorry, agai this is only a live action TOC.
Never saw Underworld, does this Vampire/Werewolf hybrid have a name, and is he powerful enough for the SHWs?
The Blood God is nice, but we never really saw him do anything, his screen time makes Vuldemort look like Mr, Popularity in comparison.
Also, The Thing, from John Carpenter is also cool, and I LOVE the movie, but that creature was one of stealth and guile, not brute force power. Also, since it never really had its own form, or set of powers, I wouldnt even know which Thing to bring here.
The Basilisk from Harry Potter is interesting, and a possibility, lets see ow many others we can get.
shame stitch isn't allowed.
i would have seconded his nomination.
i liked that movie :)
I know it's called movie battles, but do miniseries's count too? If so I nominate Randall Flagg.
From The Stand I take it? Sorry, but this is solely a Movie TOC, no TV shows or miniseries allowed.
Maybe for the Kraken we could come up with some sort of legs when he's in a non water environment, or let him move about similar to Medusa (he's #### fast in the water, but that would be a slow land speed). In an Urban environment his Earthquake causing ability (over huge areas) could be sweet.
Im sure for the Kraken we can allow him his land legs, very similiar to the toy of him which was made way back when. Also, I dont think he had an Earthquake power, just his own size which in the water created huge waves and could shake the area around him nicely.
On second thought, even if Randall Flagg is ok, he's probably too weak to compete with these guys.
Instead I nominate a Sandworm from Dune.
Sorry, this was mentioned before, and shot down due to the IMMENSE size of a Sandworm. I believe they even dwarf Toho Godzilla, who was eliminated for being too powerful for the SHWs.
Everyone seems to be writing off Stay Puft. Remember, the only way the Ghostbusters could have killed him almost caused the end of the world, he was considered to be the most powerfull "ghost" and his sheer size make him a contender. He is at least as tall as Godzilla, maybe taller. Don't count him out because he looks stupid. If we were aloud to do that, Neo wouldn't be aloud eather.
EXACTLY.....er....except for the Neo part.
What about muadibs son from children of dune(sorry if i mispelled that) He had super speed and stuff. Theres also the cockraoch from men in black 1. Personally i think it would be cool if there was a movie monster tournament of champions, but that might just be me
Sorry, Children of Dune was a TV miniseries, were sticking with Movies alone here.
American Godzilla does not have a breath weapon, I rented that movie specificaly to see atomic fire done with modern special effects, as such I payed close attention to the scene on question and jedah is totally correct, there is no breath weapon, just a disappointed me.
Im really pretty sure the Matthew Broderick Godzilla had a breath weapon, which was only used once or twice granted. Though Im sure Rando has seen the movie more recently than I, I would like others thoughts on this?
Wouldnt really matter, his sheer size and strength make him a SHW alone, but it would be good to know what this Godzilla can and cant do.
Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park 3-Hey it did kill a Heavy Weight, the T-Rex
This is interesting, I think considering how well.....Grrrrr....the T-Rex did in the HWs, Im sure Spiny here could at least pass as a low end SHW. Hes like a bigger T-Rex with arms he can and does use to fight.
Did somebody mention Q (Star Trek) yet?
No wait, I guess he wasn't in any of the movies, or was he?
He would also be too powerful if he was, as he was essentially a God who could do anything he wishes.
Hmm... for an alternate true Kaiju, how about Gamera? He's smaller, he has fireblasts that, while quite powerful, are -well- below Godzilla's, and while he's tough, he lacks Godzilla's Ur-regeneration (which is part of why G can take such insane punishment). Plus, he's a friend to children!
Yes, I mentioned Gamera earlier here, was waiting to see what people thought. He is a good deal smaller and less powerful than Toho Godzilla, but I think still a SHW nonetheless. I like it, Ill put him down.
And sorry, American Godzilla stays. he was Very big and powerful, breath weapon, fan favorite, or No.
Originally posted by Rando
I also think this, magic weakness, only two movies, but no outside sources with Superman is just a disaster waiting to happen.
Personally, I dont see the problem, as we are making a small ammendment to our rules to allow characters like Superman and General Zod into this TOC. An amendment that is a staple to the Superman mythos, and not something simply made up for here.
Im up for hearing what would be a better solution for handling the Kryptonians here?
and with stay-puft... it's not that crossing the streams was the only way to beat him... it was the only way *the ghostbusters* could beat him.
only thing they had to use were the proton packs.... none of them had super strength, or heat vision, or magic. although bill murry with heat vision is just funny to me.
so what if he was big and stepped on things... thats not an incredible offensive power.
Never said that the only way to defeat SPM is to cross the streams, I am saying he was strong enough to take shots from all 4 individually (though at the same time) and still keep coming. This was said to those that felt he was not powerful enough, which if you watch what he did at the end of Ghostbusters, youd see isnt so. Yes, the guy casually stepped on buildings, destroying them, without any effort, Id personally say thats pretty good offensive ability.
OK, we have 3 new additions to our list, which also makes our list complete.
We also have been getting some complaints, not many but some, about Superman and allowing a vulnerability to magic, to allow him to fit better in the SHWs, as well as only limiting him to his first 2 (and by far the best) films.
Id like to hear other thoughts on this, agree or disagree, and how you would like him and the other Kryptonians handled. Thanks.
POSSIBLE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION
1. Superman (Superman I and II)
2. General Zod (Superman II)
3. Hulk (Hulk)
4. Godzilla (Godzilla) (American Version)
5. Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (Ghostbusters)
6. Supergirl (Supergirl)
7. Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter Series)
8. Yoda (Younger) (Star Wars Series)
9. Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars Series)
10. John Murdoch (Dark City)
11. Gandalf The White (Lord Of The Rings Series)
12. Sauruman (Lord Of The Rings Series)
13. The Kraken (Clash Of The Titans)
14. Draco The Dragon (Dragonheart)
15. Serleena (MIB 2)
16. Professor X (X-Men Series)
17. Magneto (X-Men Series)
18. Imhotep (The Mummy Series)
19. Jean Grey (Phoenix) (X2)
20. “Dream World” Freddy Krueger (Nightmare On Elm St. Series)
21. Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
22. Neo (Matrix Revolutions)
23. Agent Smith (Matrix Revolutions)
24. Ivan Ooze (Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers: The Movie)
25. Queen Bavmorda (Willow)
26. The Mask (The Mask)
27. Talos (Jason and the Argonauts)
28. The Basilisk (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets)
29. Spinosaurus (Jurassic Park 3)
30. Gamera (Gamera series)
31. Winner of the HW Division
Prof. Aragorn
08/14/2004, 17:13
This might be a silly thing, but how bout we have Draccy in again, but give him some TK to make him more formidable...though I can't quite recall any movies where he did use it, and if they were they'd have him weak against holy objects, wood, and the sun...
I hate Hollywood...:(
Prof. Aragorn
08/14/2004, 17:14
How about the big Ed-Bug from the first MIB?
LaterMan
08/14/2004, 17:15
Come one you know you want Jerreth from Labrynth. I saw at least on other person back me up on this vote. You know, the David Bowie character? He was the goblin king and had magical powers which were shown most frequently through teleportation and using glass orbs to become other things(like poison fruit and at one point a large drilling machine) plus he has the power of dance! He could also turn into an Owl. Not just any Owl. And endangered white snow owl!
Oh well, I tried.
LaterMan
08/14/2004, 17:16
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
This might be a silly thing, but how bout we have Draccy in again, but give him some TK to make him more formidable...though I can't quite recall any movies where he did use it, and if they were they'd have him weak against holy objects, wood, and the sun...
I hate Hollywood...:(
I say this a 2nd vote for Dracual as shown in ONLY Dracula 2000. C'mon. You know you want to see if the newer age bloodsucker can make it.
So Prof A, you want Dracula to have TK, even though you cant recall a movie where Dracula did use TK?
Oh and the Ed Bug is definately not a SHW. More of a MW Id say, considering the characters we had there, and have here.
JesseJames
08/14/2004, 18:13
Originally posted by DTM
You guys did see the same movie I did right. SPM destroyed a church with ease, and even took all four Ghostbusters nuclear powers streams and kept coming. He was only destroyed when they crossed the streams, which shut down Zulz gateway.
I dont think those power streams are all that powerful. Just like a sustained plasma rifle beam, at the most. I think the Stay Puft can be taken out by ANY large/powerful attack...
Say Godzilla eating its head off, or it catching it on fire, or a building falling on it...Its just a Marshmallow...a large Marshmallow...but still just a Marshmallow.
Its just that he was so #### heavy, he crushed buildings because he probably had 800 tons of Marshmallow falling on them...
Anybody with a decent ranged attack, or fire creating abilities could cut him down easy.
JesseJames
08/14/2004, 18:16
Plus the #### thing is about as slow as cement drying...He wont be able to hit anybody. Yoda can move faster...of course, Yoda can move like greased lightning...:rolleyes:
But I think you can get my point.
I can just see Toho Godzilla now chompin' away at old SPM.
*RARRAAAAARGG*
Translation: I need a granola bar with this thing.
Originally posted by Goose
for people like Dumbledore can we get a decent list to the kind of powers he does, cause i dont remember him doing very much in the two movies i saw and ive never read any of the books.
Dumbledore's holster of powers
Under the assumption rule:
Dumbledore can do ANYTHING a lesser or equal powered (You-Know-Who) wizard or witch has done in the 3 movies.
Under the outside sources rule that was removed:
Turn Invisible (without a cloak)
Apparate/Disapparate (Teleport)
Bring to life statues
Move any item with the wave of his wand
Raise nigh-impenetrable shields
Immunity to mind control
And then some...
Stuff he ACTUALLY did in the movie:
Foresee the future
Save a student from a drop of certain death
Create and remove flames with his hand
Stuff he was hinted to be able to do in the movie:
Defeat dark wizards
Things we concretely know about him:
All wizards respect him... even to the point of wanting to hurt anyone who insults him (Never...insult Albus Dumbledore...in front of me...)
Headmaster of Hogwarts
Incredibly mindful of the future
Wealthy
Intelligent
Wise
Great charisma
Hands down, the greatest wizard of modern times. (at least in his universe)
i need to watch the movies again... but anyway im trying to dig up as much info as possible on him...rest assured, he's supposedly very gifted in magic, and as an old man he moves quite fast...
and i am very much against the basilisk... it has no invulnerability, no acid blood, nothing except his stare that causes instant death if you look at it, and his poisonus fangs being a large snake and all. aside from that, the movie gets uploaded in the brain of the opponent, so he/she knows not to look him in the eye. and besides, you are all very fond of:
oh...a padawan killed him, hes not going to win this match!
oh...a battlemaiden and a hobbit killed him, hes not going to win this match!
oh...a blind man with a stick beat him, hes not going to win this match!
the basilisk argument would go:
"all he has to do is look him in the eyes and hes DEAD"
"oh...a 12 year old wizard beat him with a pet pheonix and a large blade...WITHOUT MAGIC! hes not going to win this match!"
besides...we couldent even get him in the HW...what more here in the SHW?
JesseJames
08/14/2004, 19:16
What can Gandalf do?
SilverAgeFlash
08/14/2004, 19:20
What happened to Adam west batman??
Rokk_Krinn
08/14/2004, 20:04
I thought there needed to be 32 characters to make the brackets even which would mean the list is lacking one, right?
Not to mention - I was serious about Adam West Batman. He's been turned down every other tourney for being "too powerful" (big compliment for a mortal man) so now you're ignoring him for SHW?
If I remember my Kraken toy properly - told you I was a "Clash" nut as a kid :) - it had a lobster'ish "tail" without the legs...you could argue it can undulate like Medusa.
I love that "defeat dark wizards" is a power of Dumbledore. Bad news for Bavmorda and the Emperor. I think the Basilisk is much too weak, he is a larger version of Medusa with no ranged weapons,and no acid blood. In addition Medusa had a lot of cunning and experience, the Basilisk has animal intelligence. All he has going for him is more strength and speed than Medusa, and his strnegth is almost negligable next to the competitors that are competeing based upon strength.
Originally posted by JesseJames
I dont think those power streams are all that powerful. Just like a sustained plasma rifle beam, at the most. I think the Stay Puft can be taken out by ANY large/powerful attack...
Say Godzilla eating its head off, or it catching it on fire, or a building falling on it...Its just a Marshmallow...a large Marshmallow...but still just a Marshmallow.
Its just that he was so #### heavy, he crushed buildings because he probably had 800 tons of Marshmallow falling on them...
Anybody with a decent ranged attack, or fire creating abilities could cut him down easy.
He seemed to be doing pretty well against all 4 Ghostbuster streams, which are actually Nuclear Powered Proton Packs, seems pretty durable to me.
Oh, Im not saying hell win the SHW class, but I am saying he is hardly a pushover. Anyone who can destroy building without even realizing they are there sure seems like a SHW to me.
Originally posted by SilverAgeFlash
What happened to Adam west batman??
I would sooner put Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny as a tag team here than I would allow Adam West Batman into the SHWs. :)
Also, the objection against the Basilisk is duely noted, and if we get some others here who also dont think he belongs in the SHW, even on the lower end, he will be removed.
Remember, this list isnt final, its just a nice draft for the characters we could possibly use here.
Originally posted by Rando
I love that "defeat dark wizards" is a power of Dumbledore. Bad news for Bavmorda and the Emperor. I think the Basilisk is much too weak, he is a larger version of Medusa with no ranged weapons,and no acid blood. In addition Medusa had a lot of cunning and experience, the Basilisk has animal intelligence. All he has going for him is more strength and speed than Medusa, and his strnegth is almost negligable next to the competitors that are competeing based upon strength.
OK, this is 2 against the Basilisk. I get a few more posts like this and Im sure this creature will be ousted from the list.
T-rex lives again, in the Spinosaurus!!!
I think Basilisk would be okay. It's large, and dangerous. It's probably the weakest on the list, however, it can still beat some of the people here: Godzilla, Spinosaurus, Hulk, Professor X.
The first three are two enraged/ dumb to not look it in the eyes. And it's too animalistic for the Prof.
Also, a question on terrains and Mags. Does Magneto just get a bye if fighting on the space station?
Was there magic use in the Supergirl film?
If so, this could be a film source of magic's effectiveness
against Kryptonians.
Angelofhate
08/15/2004, 00:23
I really don't think that the Bassilisk. marshmellow man, nor the Spinosaurus deserve to be in the Super Heavy Weight league... this is the big time, cunning and willpower get you through these... the animalistic, "dumb" brutes just don't compare. The competitors here are one step down from gods... you honestly think a dinosaur or big snake is going to compare?
*shrug*
Just my thirty seven cents. (I'm worth more. :P )
darthfatty
08/15/2004, 00:25
Forgive me if this has been mentioned; I didn't read the whole thread.
Tim Curry's demon from Legend
Megatron
Optimus Prime
The Basilisk is also steathy. He slithered through Hogwarts un-noticed, and that can't be an easy thing to do. And even if your eyes are not looking at him, you could get petrified by his reflection if there is a metal door near you, like in a spacestation. And manuvering around in a place like that with your eyes closed can't be easy. And un like Medusa, he has no rattle in his tail, so he may be able to sneak up on someone who has their eyes shut.
Rokk_Krinn
08/15/2004, 00:55
Originally posted by DTM
I would sooner put Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny as a tag team here than I would allow Adam West Batman into the SHWs. :)
Oh, c'mon...you've turned him down multiple times saying he deserves to be in a higher power category. You've had numerous calls for him. Be a gracious host and give the people what they want...
Adam West Batman!
Well I'm part of the people, and I don't want Adam West Batman.Really he is essesntially a cheat character anyway, the arguments that will be used for him are essentially going to be "well that attack won't work because he has something on him to stop it" where that can be any attack that one can assume Batman could imagine. Logicaly we know he isn't carrying everything, but he is portrayed to be, so as long as a counter to any attack form can be imagined it will be presumed that he has it, and he can also be counted upon to have all oponents weakness, so he finishes all fights in a single attack.
Prof. Aragorn
08/15/2004, 01:38
Originally posted by DTM
So Prof A, you want Dracula to have TK, even though you cant recall a movie where Dracula did use TK?
Oh yeah, I know movies that he did have some thing like TK, but that would mean he'd actually be weaker, the Dracula 2000 version would get eaten by the heavyweight version. That's what I meant by I couldn't recall a version that was very similar from the book that was a little more powerful. However, I am in full support of Adam West Batman! The belt will counter anything non magical-so magical opponents will beat him. Superman may have a chance, Supergirl may have a chance, Godzilla from the Broderick film would lose (Bat Shark repellent is god #### powerful!:) ), The Star Wars characters have somewhat of a chance, the basilisk with the heel screw weakness would lose, but I'd say it's sort of tough to choose since he could easily lose being mortal. Then again, you could reserve him for the Cosmic Beings list!:p
Perhaps the Nosferatu from the 1922 classic. The only thing that could stop him was the sun. Magic users could do that, most others would definately lose, being that his shadow acts with a will of it's own too. He also brings the power of the plagues and his disgusting appearance could frighten most.
Murdoch could deal with Nosferatu fine as well.
Maniac_nmt
08/15/2004, 02:26
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Oh, c'mon...you've turned him down multiple times saying he deserves to be in a higher power category. You've had numerous calls for him. Be a gracious host and give the people what they want...
Adam West Batman!
You do of course realise no one can beat Adam West Batman right?
"Ah, it's a good thing I have my anti-SHW Movie TOC opponent 10 mile radius blast bomb handy."
*click*.....*BOOM!*
"Amazing, you'd think these foes would learn sooner or later."
or
"Quick Robin, give me the Movie Monster Repellant!"
"I'm glad I decided to bring along my anti-magic pellet gun."
"As you can see chum, even the man of steel can be laid low by a simple rock."
"I hope you've learned your lesson, the portable Bat-Computer can easily break into your system and thus render you a normal man. Perhaps if you ate your vegetables you might last longer."
"My Bat automatic Championship ray worked flawlessly Robin, as I knew it would!"
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
You do of course realise no one can beat Adam West Batman right?
"Ah, it's a good thing I have my anti-SHW Movie TOC opponent 10 mile radius blast bomb handy."
*click*.....*BOOM!*
"Amazing, you'd think these foes would learn sooner or later."
or
"Quick Robin, give me the Movie Monster Repellant!"
"I'm glad I decided to bring along my anti-magic pellet gun."
"As you can see chum, even the man of steel can be laid low by a simple rock."
"I hope you've learned your lesson, the portable Bat-Computer can easily break into your system and thus render you a normal man. Perhaps if you ate your vegetables you might last longer."
"My Bat automatic Championship ray worked flawlessly Robin, as I knew it would!"
Yeah, I do think that he'd have to be Cosmic-level.
green_knight
08/15/2004, 03:28
Originally posted by Rando
Well I'm part of the people, and I don't want Adam West Batman.Really he is essesntially a cheat character anyway, the arguments that will be used for him are essentially going to be "well that attack won't work because he has something on him to stop it" where that can be any attack that one can assume Batman could imagine. Logicaly we know he isn't carrying everything, but he is portrayed to be, so as long as a counter to any attack form can be imagined it will be presumed that he has it, and he can also be counted upon to have all oponents weakness, so he finishes all fights in a single attack.
Basically this is an admission that Adam West Batman is too powerful and well prepared for anything but a cosmic level beings TOC, and even then, I'd lay pretty good odds on him.
Although I am a fan, the truth is this. He is prepared for ANY eventuality, and it is shown that way in his every single appearance.
Thus I must conclude that he is too freakin powerful.
Reading Maniac_Nmt's post, I can actually hear Adam West's voice.
And the basilisk is a cop out. It should be eliminated also.
hail_eris
08/15/2004, 03:35
Lemme try to field a couple of the suggestions that are out there right now. First, Tim Curry from "Legend" is just like The Beast from "Krull". Big, creepy, and awesome - with zero demonstrated combat ability. That's the problem with so many of the big bads - they didn't get to the top of the evil pile by endangering themselves in combat. As far as the height of Talos goes, estimate him to be in the range of 60-90 feet (roughly 20-25 meters) - which puts him about on par with the Marshmallow Man. And has there been a Predator/Southern Comfort/Dagobah-style swamp or jungle terrain suggested yet? Because, man, Treebeard and Swamp Thing would have ruled there...
On the Spinosaurus- He's a bit tougher than the T-Rex, who only made it to about the 2nd round of the HW. He's a SHW why...? (and we have the US Godzilla-in-name-only as well, and they're basically the same nitch)
Even a Kamacus (reference: Mantis monsters from Toho, probably the weakest of all Godzilla-verse Kaiju, although they existed in numbers instead of being unique individuals) could beat 'em.
Yes, I mentioned Gamera earlier here, was waiting to see what people thought. He is a good deal smaller and less powerful than Toho Godzilla, but I think still a SHW nonetheless. I like it, Ill put him down.
Remember, he's a friend to children!
*sings 'Gamera is very neat, he is full of turtle meat...'*
brendanbrown
08/15/2004, 13:13
What about the Power Rangers Megazord? or at least one of the other zords, like the T-rex or something.
El Presidente
08/15/2004, 13:31
I personally would like to Godzilla (non-american) fightin' the death star on the death star. This would be an awesome movie, I'd actullay pay the $20 for the popcorn.
I dunno if anyone thought of the Balrog for LOTR or not, didnt read the 7 pages between the first and ninth.
Another possible fighter is any of those the metal colossus from I think jason and the argonauts or one of those greek myth movies.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Oh, c'mon...you've turned him down multiple times saying he deserves to be in a higher power category. You've had numerous calls for him. Be a gracious host and give the people what they want...
Adam West Batman!
HA, I dont think Ive ever said Adam West Batman deserves to be in a higher weight class. :)
Also, about the big dumb but Very Powerful characters, I feel they do belong here, least some of them, to give more of a variety for the entire list. Sure theyre not going to win the entire TOC, but look how good T-Rex and Medusa did last round.
Prof. Aragorn
08/15/2004, 15:25
What about my Graf Orlock, Nosferatu nomination?
Originally posted by hail_eris
Lemme try to field a couple of the suggestions that are out there right now. First, Tim Curry from "Legend" is just like The Beast from "Krull". Big, creepy, and awesome - with zero demonstrated combat ability. That's the problem with so many of the big bads - they didn't get to the top of the evil pile by endangering themselves in combat. As far as the height of Talos goes, estimate him to be in the range of 60-90 feet (roughly 20-25 meters) - which puts him about on par with the Marshmallow Man. And has there been a Predator/Southern Comfort/Dagobah-style swamp or jungle terrain suggested yet? Because, man, Treebeard and Swamp Thing would have ruled there...
Actually, Marshmallow Man was definately bigger than 90 feet.
And I agree with what is said about characters like The BEast and Legend Devil. Cool characters, but didnt really do much in their films, AND there is no other source material to draw from.
Originally posted by Q99
On the Spinosaurus- He's a bit tougher than the T-Rex, who only made it to about the 2nd round of the HW. He's a SHW why...? (and we have the US Godzilla-in-name-only as well, and they're basically the same nitch)
Even a Kamacus (reference: Mantis monsters from Toho, probably the weakest of all Godzilla-verse Kaiju, although they existed in numbers instead of being unique individuals) could beat 'em.
Yes, I mentioned Gamera earlier here, was waiting to see what people thought. He is a good deal smaller and less powerful than Toho Godzilla, but I think still a SHW nonetheless. I like it, Ill put him down.
Remember, he's a friend to children!
*sings 'Gamera is very neat, he is full of turtle meat...'*
The T-Rex almost made it to Round 3, and could have gone even further. The Spino is bigger and stronger than the Rex, and has arms to use in battle as well. Unless we think of someone better, I can see him as a low end SHW. Heck, whod have thought Rex would have done so well, not me.
Also, American Godzilla is Much bigger than Spino.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
What about my Graf Orlock, Nosferatu nomination?
Eh, I seem to remember him moving like a turtle, and if hes only hurt by sunlight, and were getting rid of the sunlight clause for vampires.......you get where this is going? :)
And a Megazord is the size and power of Toho Godzilla, so no show for him here I think.
OK, enough people have spoken out against the Basilisk, so hes out.
We now have 2 spots left for our SHW TOC, lets see if we can get some new and different ideas to fill them up. Could be low end, mid or high end, just as long as we feel they deserve to be in the SHW class.
THanks all.
LaterMan
08/15/2004, 15:53
JERRETH FROM LABRYNTH!!!
LaterMan
08/15/2004, 15:58
You can't blaim a gy for trying, right?
But seriously here's a real nomination:
Sammael from Hellboy
He's super strong, super durable, can keep coming back from the dead (although sometimes that would take longer then 10 secounds so he's not invincible) and he has the cool parasite tonge attack. I think he'd do good in the SHW's.
Prof. Aragorn
08/15/2004, 16:17
Just means you need to KO him or have the ability to create sunlight. He also has a shadow that can possess people-er something. He moved like a turtle, but that would aid his opponents who would need all the help they can get.:)
Avatar Jack
08/15/2004, 18:09
If the Megazoid is out, then how about an individual zoid, like the frog-zoid or ape-zoid?
Avatar Jack
08/15/2004, 18:11
####. I meant 'zord', not zoid.
How about Jack Nicholson's character from "the Witches of Eastwick"? Or is he the devel, so he is too powerfull?
Or someome from Mortal Kobat. Mutaro, or Lu-Kang when he can turn into a dragon?
donnie72191
08/15/2004, 20:23
i nominate cartman with the v chip malfunction from south park: bigger longer and uncut
remember, he beat saddam who would ##### slap satan:laugh:
cartoon characters are not elegible
donnie72191
08/15/2004, 20:45
how about fluffy from harry potter
Fluffy is nothing compared to most of these guys, LW-MW at most. I'd like to second the Balrog nomination if it's an ok nomination.
Prof. Aragorn
08/15/2004, 20:59
I third the Balrog! and have a cavern arena. Similar to the spacestation, but maybe an underground pool. As a rule, you can't collapse the cave, just like you cannot breach the hull of the space station...:ermm:
I think we should watch out for indoor arenas, what is the Stay Puff Mashmellow man gonna do in a cave?
schicantek
08/15/2004, 21:44
Better yet, I'm waiting for Stay Puff to have to squish into the space station. You know it will happen.
what is the list now for the SHW?
same as on page 1 with 2 extra people, I can;t remember who.
Gamera and the Spinosaurus are the other.
JasonVoorhees
08/15/2004, 23:41
Glumdalclitch From Gulliver's Travels. .
::Looks around:: What? A Giant Little Girl would be good. . She'd Eat the Marshmellow man. .
Dalandow
08/16/2004, 02:24
How bout:
Megazord from Power Rangers
Gaint Monster Pot Plant from Scary Movie 2
Baby from Honey I Blew up The Baby
Golguthan (the #### demon) from Dogma
Balrog from Lord of the Rings
Giant Mechcanical Spider from Wild Wild West
Aborbing Man (Dad) from the Hulk
Juggernaut, Hammer, and Jackal from 13 Ghosts
King Kong from King Kong
It from It The Killer Clown
Shoa Khan from Mortal Kombat 2
King Kong was a HW, the Megazoid has been ruled out. i'm against the baby and the pot plant. I like the idea of the Golguthan, but I forget how strong he is. If he is strong enough, I'm for him, and Shoa Khan I also like. The Balrog has been brought up before, and I'm for him too.I havn't seen 13 ghosts or It, but i am all for Abrorbing Man, he is definately strong enough.
Silver Lantern
08/16/2004, 03:31
How about Q from Star Trek? ;)
Okay seriously, if you did not allow dupes in previous rounds (i.e. Aragorn, etc), why are you allowing dupes now (Neo, Gandalf, etc)? And don't give me this "they're different" carp!
It is so convenient to change the rules every freakin time. This sucks! :mad:
Also Prof X, and Jean Grey from X2 are middleweights at best. They do not belong in the same TOC as people like Superman and the Hulk.
And will people stop nominating power ranger characters please.
How about Qui Gon Gin?
Silver Lantern
08/16/2004, 03:35
BTW, I too support the Balrog, after all if Gandalf the Grey beat him, should he just be a HW at best?
How about the Cave Troll of Moria? ;)
Galsalf the White, Neo and Agent Smith are special cases. If Aragorn went through some sort of transformation in the movies, he would have moved up, but he didn't so he didn't. Prof X is a SHW! None of his matches are going to last more then 10 seconds though. If it is a humain he is facing, he will win, if it is something he can't Mind Control, he will lose, plain and simple.
Yeah the Prof does seem kind of like an on or off type guy. The Golgothan from Dogma is way too weak, he is like Stay Puff only as big as a person and smelly.
The T-Rex almost made it to Round 3, and could have gone even further. The Spino is bigger and stronger than the Rex, and has arms to use in battle as well. Unless we think of someone better, I can see him as a low end SHW. Heck, whod have thought Rex would have done so well, not me.
The Spino won, but the fight between the two definitely could've gone the other way. Considering the Rex ended up doing middle-of-the-pack in HW, Spino is at best, a higher HW IMO.
Hmm... how about Guyver or the Zoanoid Guyver from Guyver 2? Strong, good armor, has Vibro-blades, a small laser, and the Mega-smasher, a definite heavy support weapon?
I'm against the Spinosauras also, he just isn't that strong, he seems high end HW at best.
Dalandow
08/16/2004, 13:08
Well the Pot Plant, Gulgothan, and the Baby were jokes, but the others i was serious about.
What about Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story???
jk...:p
JasonVoorhees
08/16/2004, 13:33
I still say Glumdicltich would be funny
I know this has prolly been discussed but what about the Blood Demon from Blade one (after Frost got transformed). I know Blade took him out, but it was with garlic needles and not many of our contestants will have those (if they do, thats just amazing...). Or was Frost/Blood Demon a MW or a HW? He is a demon from hell....
Just trying to finish the list off....are there any "super" aliens or "super" predators I am missing?
Maybe we can add Boba Fett...lol :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
brendanbrown
08/16/2004, 14:11
Can we get a group of something? like the raptors from Jurassic Park or maybe a bunch of the suicidal penguins from Batman Returns?
green_knight
08/16/2004, 14:14
I'd like to nominate Boba Fett, without the jetpack. He should be nigh unbeatable that way.
donnie72191
08/16/2004, 14:23
how about the chick from the exorcist?
donnie72191
08/16/2004, 14:24
or orgazmo:laugh: or meteor man
Regan McNeil, or "that chick from the exorcist" as you put it, was possed be the devel. i think that might make her too powerfull.
Originally posted by Silver Lantern
How about Q from Star Trek? ;)
Okay seriously, if you did not allow dupes in previous rounds (i.e. Aragorn, etc), why are you allowing dupes now (Neo, Gandalf, etc)? And don't give me this "they're different" carp!
It is so convenient to change the rules every freakin time. This sucks! :mad:
Also Prof X, and Jean Grey from X2 are middleweights at best. They do not belong in the same TOC as people like Superman and the Hulk.
And will people stop nominating power ranger characters please.
How about Qui Gon Gin?
What other level would Aragorn be in besides the LW?
And I never said anything about Not Allowing dupes, I just want to get more of a variety if possible.
Lets face it, Gandalf, Neo and Agent Smith all became much more powerful as the movies progressed, as well as them being nigh iconic sci fi and fantasy movie characters, so I have little problem here allowing them into the mix.
Again, I dont remember a rule im changing, nor do I know what other class Aragorn should be in besdies the LWs.
Qui Gon would certainly not be more powerful than Mace Windu, and he was a HW.
Also, Phoenix and Professor X might not be able to defeat Superman and Hulk, then again they might, they are both two of the highest end SHWs. Whose to say Xavier and Grey would do against lower end characters, in the end, making them fit perfectly in the SHW class. Remember, this isnt Jean Grey, its her upped powerful level form, of Phoenix here.
Originally posted by Q99
The T-Rex almost made it to Round 3, and could have gone even further. The Spino is bigger and stronger than the Rex, and has arms to use in battle as well. Unless we think of someone better, I can see him as a low end SHW. Heck, whod have thought Rex would have done so well, not me.
The Spino won, but the fight between the two definitely could've gone the other way. Considering the Rex ended up doing middle-of-the-pack in HW, Spino is at best, a higher HW IMO.
Hmm... how about Guyver or the Zoanoid Guyver from Guyver 2? Strong, good armor, has Vibro-blades, a small laser, and the Mega-smasher, a definite heavy support weapon?
DOes anyone else know anything about the Guyver? Is he a SHW, even a low end, level?
Also, the Balroq is way cool, but he was killed by Gandalf the Grey, who is a MW. So I dont see him being a SHW myself.
Sorry if i cant reply to everyone, Im off to work soon. Still need 2.
Prof. Aragorn
08/16/2004, 16:02
Uh, Gandalf was a heavyweight, and in the end of the ensuing fight, he got killed, too. Gandalf beat him mostly due to magic, Glamdring, and the ring of fire-most of the contestants I see having a tough time-well except for Hellboy...
mumblemumblefireimmunitycarpmumblemumble...:cheeky:
So then the Barloq tied with a HW, how does this make him a SHW? Heck even the Spinosaurus has a HW win under his belt. :)
Well, how about Cthulhu.
He kind of turned up in The Necronomicon, by Brian Yuzna.
Dalandow
08/16/2004, 16:10
Im still supporting Shao Khan from MK2.
Or a Tremor from Tremors. (hey, we have Kraken)
Balrog also lost partially due to the fact that they were fighting on that tiny rock bridge. I thought Gandalf used a quake spell to take him out.
What about that guy from Unbreakable? The Bruce Willis guy? Is he a SHW (since he is Unbreakable?). Or not really...am I just being silly trying to finish the last two spots?
Is Raiden a SHW from the first Kombat? Being a lighting god and what...
How about moses? LOL...I mean, he IS charlton Heston and has the man/woman upstairs on his side. Thats a SHW if I ever heard one....
I can see it now...Moses vs. the Marshmellow Man. LOL:laugh: :laugh:
FYI, not making of religion but Charlton Heston.
Originally posted by DTM
Also, the Balroq is way cool, but he was killed by Gandalf the Grey, who is a MW. So I dont see him being a SHW myself.
Gandail was a HW, and only won gue to terrain. I knoe that is also a facter here, but if it had been in an open field, Balrog would have wasted the entire fellowship.
Prof. Aragorn
08/16/2004, 16:25
Lo Pan from "Big Trouble in Little China"?
What could he do again, been a while since I've seen it.
Originally posted by MSU
What about that guy from Unbreakable? The Bruce Willis guy? Is he a SHW (since he is Unbreakable?). Or not really...am I just being silly trying to finish the last two spots?
Is Raiden a SHW from the first Kombat? Being a lighting god and what...
How about moses? LOL...I mean, he IS charlton Heston and has the man/woman upstairs on his side. Thats a SHW if I ever heard one....
I can see it now...Moses vs. the Marshmellow Man. LOL:laugh: :laugh:
FYI, not making of religion but Charlton Heston.
Why not Jesus from Passion of the Christ?
"Come to me, son of God! Kneel before Zod!"
Originally posted by MSU
What about that guy from Unbreakable? The Bruce Willis guy? Is he a SHW (since he is Unbreakable?).
Not unbeakable enough for the SHW's.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Lo Pan from "Big Trouble in Little China"?
What could he do again, been a while since I've seen it.
I remember the blinding green lights from the eyes and
mouth. Knife catching and throwing. Could do everything
those other 3 could do I expect. Fast hands, but poor
defense I think.
Originally posted by Agent_X
Why not Jesus from Passion of the Christ?
Bets on how fast that thread'd get yanked?
hail_eris
08/16/2004, 16:53
Originally posted by Agent_X
Why not Jesus from Passion of the Christ?
Yeah, when I was kicking around the idea of the Literature Tournament of Champions, the possibility of a Jesus vs. Beowulf match came up. As hilarious as it would be, yeah, I'm pretty sure it'd be a short trip to thread death...
Prof. Aragorn
08/16/2004, 18:49
Originally posted by Agent_X
Why not Jesus from Passion of the Christ?
"Come to me, son of God! Kneel before Zod!"
Do not say his name-for it angers them...they do not like the color...do not leave another realm for they will be mad...
What? Oh right, thread death... :cheeky:
Rokk_Krinn
08/16/2004, 21:18
Well, being you still need two...
Adam West Batman!
and
Hill House
:)
Or being you've shot poor Mr. West down every other tourney nomination thread maybe I should recommend...
Puck or one of the other Fae from a Midsummer's Night Dream
or
The Blob (can't remember the name of the movie..it's about a big pink gelatinous mass that looks a lot like, y'know, a blob)
or
Samara from "The Ring" (okay, she might be tricky)
or
Kane from the Poltergeist movies
or
The Reverend from "Silver Bullet" (classic werewolf)
or
Horace Pinker from "Shocker"
Eh, just seeing if there's any hope for oddball contenders. ;)
Personally I still think that the Balrog should be in here, it would get votes, and a lucky situation doesn't mean he isn't strong. Heck, an X-Wing blew up the almighty Death Star! Really, the Balrog was only really beaten by an almost white Gandalf, and he's in this tournament, so I think the Balrog deserves the same.
I really would like to see the Absorbing man "Dad" from the Hulk. It would be as if the person is fighting his terrain.
Maniac_nmt
08/16/2004, 21:54
Originally posted by Magnito
Galsalf the White, Neo and Agent Smith are special cases. If Aragorn went through some sort of transformation in the movies, he would have moved up, but he didn't so he didn't. Prof X is a SHW! None of his matches are going to last more then 10 seconds though. If it is a humain he is facing, he will win, if it is something he can't Mind Control, he will lose, plain and simple.
shrug, Gandalf the white will hand him his his shinny crome dome like no ones business. He was not only immune to the Ringwraiths fear (for while other faced them, they were still affected by it), but also could dispel it for multiple people.
Maniac_nmt
08/16/2004, 22:15
I dunno DTM, just because you are beaten by a lower weight class doesn't make you part of that weight class.
Isildur beat Sauron, who is probably a Cosmic Being level character, and Isildur is at best a middle weight. The T-800, a middle weight, beat the TX and the T-1000 and they were both heavy weights.
The Balrog would not have worked in the HWs, it's a creature not even Sauron will mess with. It would certainly beat the #### out of Hellboy, being of the next power level above it for all intensive purposes.
It would certainly kick the #### out of a lot of the chaps on this list.
brendanbrown
08/16/2004, 22:59
It would be so cool to have Hill House in this! Imagine it fighting in a space station..:confused: would it be declared the loser after 10 seconds for being immobilized?:confused:
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
The Balrog would not have worked in the HWs, it's a creature not even Sauron will mess with. It would certainly beat the #### out of Hellboy, being of the next power level above it for all intensive purposes.
Hellboy might be the only HW that could beat the Balrog 100% of the time. You know, with the fire immunity and all.
Originally posted by Magnito
Gandail was a HW, and only won gue to terrain. I knoe that is also a facter here, but if it had been in an open field, Balrog would have wasted the entire fellowship.
Oops, good call, sorry about the mistake Gandalf. :)
Well, alot of people seem to be OK with the Balroq, though with no outside sources around hes going to be hard pressed to actually get examples to defend himself, but if you guys still want him in, Ill add him to the list.
Do we have a final list, DTM?
LaterMan
08/17/2004, 01:50
You should put in Balrog and drop the Spiniosaures-thing. T-Rex was the peoples champ, this loser is just a chump.
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
shrug, Gandalf the white will hand him his his shinny crome dome like no ones business. He was not only immune to the Ringwraiths fear (for while other faced them, they were still affected by it), but also could dispel it for multiple people.
As usual Maniac, I dont think youre seeing the same Lord of the Rings films that I am. :) Though I do agree Gandalf the White would take Professor X more than not.
Originally posted by LaterMan
You should put in Balrog and drop the Spiniosaures-thing. T-Rex was the peoples champ, this loser is just a chump.
If Ive learned one thing last TOC its NEVER underestimate the drawing power of dinosaurs. :)........that and NEVER have another SW vs LOTR match, EVER (YOU HEAR ME GRINNER!)
Any thoughts on Rokk Krinns, The Blob, nomination? Classic Movie Monster, which will really put a hurting on many of the characters here, but would still get killed by any of the Kryptonians, Magic Users and anyone that can create cold easy. Wed start him out slightly bigger than human sized for this TOC.
Thoughts?
Drop the Dino, add the Blob.
"It ate Jimmy?"
"It ate everyone!"
"It ate Tina?"
"It ate EVERYONE!" :p
If so, this would be our final list:
POSSIBLE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION
1. Superman (Superman I, II and III)
2. General Zod (Superman I and II)
3. Hulk (Hulk)
4. Godzilla (Godzilla) (American Version)
5. Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (Ghostbusters)
6. Supergirl (Supergirl)
7. Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter Series)
8. Yoda (Younger) (Star Wars Series)
9. Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars Series)
10. John Murdoch (Dark City)
11. Gandalf The White (Lord Of The Rings Series)
12. Sauruman (Lord Of The Rings Series)
13. The Kraken (Clash Of The Titans)
14. Draco The Dragon (Dragonheart)
15. Serleena (MIB 2)
16. Professor X (X-Men Series)
17. Magneto (X-Men Series)
18. Imhotep (The Mummy Series)
19. Jean Grey (Phoenix) (X2)
20. “Dream World” Freddy Krueger (Nightmare On Elm St. Series)
21. Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice)
22. Neo (Matrix Revolutions)
23. Agent Smith (Matrix Revolutions)
24. Ivan Ooze (Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers: The Movie)
25. Queen Bavmorda (Willow)
26. The Mask (The Mask)
27. Talos (Jason and the Argonauts)
28. Spinosaurus (Jurassic Park 3)
29. Gamera (Gamera series)
30. Balroq (Lord Of The Rings: FOTR)
31. The Blob (The Blob)
32. Hellboy (Hellboy)
Magoogles
08/17/2004, 02:02
Originally posted by Magnito
I really would like to see the Absorbing man "Dad" from the Hulk. It would be as if the person is fighting his terrain.
I second him, or third, or fourth, I've lost count
I didnt point this out before, but NotYou made a great point about Kryptonians and their weakness to magic. Supergirl. Her main foe was an augmented sorcerress, and Supergirl definately had a hard time with her, which could very well support that Kryptonians, even on film, have a vulnerability to magic. Not saying theyd die if they fought a Wizard or Witch, just saying the are much more vulnerable to their attacks than they would be against near anything else. Whether the wizards are this list are powerful enough to defeat the Kryptonians here, is entirely up to YOU.
Angelofhate
08/17/2004, 02:09
Wait. Neo and Agent Smith... Do we assume that they are "plugged in" for these battles? because if it were the real neo, in the real world... he'd be a pretty sad, bald guy with metal plugs in his body.
Yes, as with all the Matrix characters, they will have the powers here that they had in their world and reality. Only Smith will not be allowed to simply punch someone and turn them into another Smith. He still has PLENTY of physical power and fighting skill even with this taken away.
LaterMan
08/17/2004, 02:21
I like that Fina