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JesseJames
08/28/2004, 02:18
Hulk could have been near passed out. Ro_Gan doesent specify.
Superman however chose to blast him off with Heat Vision in that scenario, not hold him up there.
Originally posted by JesseJames
Hulk could have been near passed out. Ro_Gan doesent specify.
Superman however chose to blast him off with Heat Vision in that scenario, not hold him up there.
Yes, but Hulk still has to fall for miles without air. And it's about 8 miles from where Hulk begins to fall (nearly the top of the arena, 25 miles up) to where there is enough air to start providing wind resistance (90,000 feet, still several miles above where there is breathable air). Saying that Hulk is instantly moving at the speed of sound (no acceleration) he's going to be falling for about a minute before he even encounters wind resistance. Air resistance will quickly bring him below Mach 1, meaning he's going to take another few minutes to get down to breathable air.
I fail to believe that since we've seen Hulk pass out from lack of air at height that he can suddenly go without air for several minutes. He's going to pass out for more than 10 seconds.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 02:58
True. But its all realitive to Supes strength and speed.
His Speed is being/or was being debated. And I feel Hulk easily outclasses him in strength.
Originally posted by JesseJames
True. But its all realitive to Supes strength and speed.
His Speed is being/or was being debated. And I feel Hulk easily outclasses him in strength.
:confused:
How do Clark's strength and speed enter into this?
Rogan's story has our two combatants just below the top of the arena, nearly 25 miles above the ground. No debate, no question of strength or speed.
Rogan's story then has Hulk begin to fall. How he began to fall is moot to my point. Again, he is falling - no debate, no question of strength or speed.
I then proceed to show that Hulk will have to fall for several minutes, even if he instantaneously achieves Mach 1. There is not even enough air for measurable air resistance until around 90,000 feet. Once more, no debate, no question of strength or speed.
So we have an example, from a Hulk supporter that has Superman successfully taking Hulk to the top of the arena and dropping him. And we have a concrete example from his own movie that Hulk will pass out from lack of air. And it will take less than 3 minutes for this to happen. And Hulk only needs to pass out for 10 seconds for Superman to win.
Now, how does any of this relate to Superman's speed or strength?
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 03:16
It has to do with how fast Supes can grab him...If Hulk can react to get a shot in at Supes as he drags him up into the atmosphere?
And Can Supes hold back a struggling Hulk with his grip?
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 03:17
I wasnt reffering to Ro_Gans post specifically with the post you quoted. Just the argument in general.
green_knight
08/28/2004, 03:35
Originally posted by JesseJames
It has to do with how fast Supes can grab him...If Hulk can react to get a shot in at Supes as he drags him up into the atmosphere?
And Can Supes hold back a struggling Hulk with his grip?
Hope you don't feel like people are ganging up on you here, JesseJames. I usually read everything you and Prof Aragorn and Thugit write, because I can expect intelligent arguments, debate, and the ability to listen to each other. That being said, the last 4 or 5 pages of this thread have had me laughing my ### off. Very entertaining stuff!
Well, just to jump in here, the reason people think Superman can bring Hulk into the Stratosphere, where the likelihood of losing conciousness for him is pretty good, is because Hulk was having trouble being his usual Hulky self on the fighter plane that brought him to the lower stratosphere.
Superman supporters are citing escape velocity, and the fact that Supes is shown in the movie to be able to easily achieve it, by defying gravity with his flight power. Escape velocity is so fast that a jet would get nowhere near it. And since Hulk had trouble with just a jet speed, then Superman's speed (which is an exponential increase over what Hulk dealt with) will easily be enough to get Hulk to the top of the arena in probably under a second, before the big guy can react effectively. Again, since his reaction was hindered by decreasing oxygen, and the speed of the jet, Supes would be able to put him in that position faster, and with more authority.
As for what to grab on, its not a big deal. Getting hold of his ankle or something wouldn't be a problem, Supes has a grip that can easily do this. Its a big ankle, but Supes carried a lake that he froze to go put out an oil refinery fire. Hulk weighs much less than a lake, despite the fact that he's probably really dense, so I don't see too much of a problem there. And Supes didn't need a great handhold to lift the lake, so even one of Hulk's tough toes would likely be enough. And Supes would be able to move faster than Hulk, based on Hulk's assumed land speed, and Supes' minimum assumed air speed.
So, if this doesn't change your mind, no biggie. Just wanted to make some of the rational behind the Supes carrying Hulk and dropping him thing clear, so at least its understood why the Superman supporters see this one as having a clear way to defeat Hulk. Nothing more, nothing less.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 04:00
K, Thanks Green.
I do see where your coming from.
And thats why im slowly tipping towards Superman...uggggggggggg. ( I greatly despise him)
:p
Dalandow
08/28/2004, 04:04
Originally posted by JesseJames
K, Thanks Green.
I do see where your coming from.
And thats why im slowly tipping towards Superman...uggggggggggg. ( I greatly despise him)
:p
So help me god, I'll slap you
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 04:17
Out of curiosity.
Does Doomsday need to breath.
My vote may depend upon the answer.
(Dunn, Dunnnnn, Duunnnnnnnn. :p )
green_knight
08/28/2004, 04:18
Welllllll...........
Honestly I dunno. I kind of tried to block that whole episode out, so I'm having trouble remembering.
Maybe Thugit knows....
:grin:
But...
I would probably say no. I mean, he was trapped, buried for gawd knows how long before he got free from solid rock, so I'd guess not. And when Luthor sent him after Imperiex, he was just sort of hurtling through space till he got close enough to attack, hmm, I guess either he doesn't need to breathe, or can hold his breath for a while.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 04:20
And i know its movie Supes not comic Supes...but I would assume thier general strategies are nearly the same.
The difference between Superman and Supergirl (for example) chooseing not to fight each other is that scenario could not reasonably lead to a win for either contestant. In this case Superman avoiding Hulk (call it biding his time if you like) will reasonably and forseeably lead to a winning scenario.
Superman is fully capable of stealth, don't forget that he has a secret identity, one that very few people know (I don't think anyone discovers it in the movies).
Originally posted by Rando
The difference between Superman and Supergirl (for example) chooseing not to fight each other is that scenario could not reasonably lead to a win for either contestant. In this case Superman avoiding Hulk (call it biding his time if you like) will reasonably and forseeably lead to a winning scenario.
Superman is fully capable of stealth, don't forget that he has a secret identity, one that very few people know (I don't think anyone discovers it in the movies).
My point was not, would Superman be allowed to hide.
That is after all trying to win in a sense.
My point was under the 'must try to win' rules, would Hulk
be allowed to wander off and stop trying to win, even if
it is in character.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
The fact is, I (somewhat Thugit, I don't know if he wanted to disprove Jesse or just try the Socratic method on him oh well) wanted Jesse to formulate an opinion on his own without what everyone else said. He thinks Supes will go to fisticuffs since he holds back sometimes. Hulk will beat him up-that's his opinion pure and simple, my opinion is Supes poisons Hulk.
So I just read around a 100 (drink fueled?) post's that were
pretty much off topic because you wanted JesseJames to
precis the previous 400 posts?
Thanks for that.
And where does he get a poisoned apple from?
Nobody told me there was a poisoned apple tree in this terrain.
Does he have an Adam West style Superman belt in the movies?
I figure the wandering is as effective a means to win as any, if Superman makes an concentrated effort to avoid Hulk then I see no way at all for Hulk to find him, so I'd figure any action he takes is as constructive as another so he might as well take an in charater action.
The poisoned apple is part of Prof's campaign to get people or DTM to reverse votes in the Murdoch/Imhotep match. He posted a similarly ridiculous "reason" for whever he voted for to win in every thread in an attempt to illustrate his opinion that all of the Imhotep supporters reasons for voteing Imhotep are stupid.
I saw that after looking at some of the others.
How public spirited of him.
Maybe these threads should just get locked on a Friday night.
Well I think that jumping around hunting for his opponent
is more trying to win than wandering around looking for beans.
(And okay, Hulk liking beans comes from the comics, I think
it's still valid)
Well I'm all for beans so I'll accept that. Really Hulk jumping around, or getting distracted doesn't make too much difference in my mind, neither action will serve to keep him in a state of rage which means whichever Hulk chooses makes him just as susceptible to Superman's tactic.
Well, if he isn't allowed to be distracted, because it isn't
trying to win then the constant hunting will get to him.
It'll be tedious, and tedium leads to frustration, frustration
leads to anger, and anger leads to suffering.
Or something like that.
I disagree, I think tedium leads to boredom. In the short term I would expect Hulk to get angry, but after a few hours of no contact with anything I think he would just get bored.
good lord
i leave to go to sleep and everyone goes nuts.
i guess i need to collect my 10 second incap scenario and post it on every page of this thread.
especially since people seem to think it was successfully argued and proven incorrect.
i'll go gather it up and make it look all nice and pretty.
Everything going crazy is the best part of these threads. The comic SHW tournament was totally berserk, I remember the Captain Marvel/Hulk battle in that had numerous tangents like that last one, complete with people swearing never to post to these threads again (only to come back later). Those were good days.
hey i just popped the hulk dvd in....
and i timed how long the foam incapped the hulk,
from the instant they start spraying him with the foam till the moment he breaks out.
20+ seconds.
thats counting one mississippi, two mississippi....
looks like freezing the hulk with artic breath could be a successful tactic as well.
I'm with Rando, not having anyone to anger you isn't particularly an anger-ing thing. And Hulk's attention span isn't too impressive.
Ice is a lot easier to shatter than foam.
Unless you're saying Supermans spittle is particularly foamy.
:)
Out of curiosity.
Does Doomsday need to breath.
My vote may depend upon the answer.
(Dunn, Dunnnnn, Duunnnnnnnn. )
Nope, definitely not.
He spent a year or two floating in space. They sent him to the end of time because they couldn't think of anything else that'd kill him for sure.
no, i'm saying that hulk sat there and let himself be completely covered and held in foam for over the required 10 second limit, before he got mad enough to break free.
and how much experience with ice have you had?
ever try to punch thru the ice on a frozen lake?
not the thin stuff towards the edges.
and prolonged exposure to ice on bare skin leads of interesting effects, kinds of things like hypothermia in extreme cases... numbness in minor cases.... foam doesn't do that.
actually... the ice at the edges is probably more solid than the ice at the middle.
Originally posted by Silver Lantern
Btw, Emperor/Yoda, Prof X/Magneto, and now Hulk/Supes.
Man, I don't doubt you all's integrity or that of grinner's kids dice rolling skills, but at SOME POINT it becomes just WAY TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE... if you get my drift. And please DTM, spare me the upset anger rant of how you hate to be accused about rigging stuff. I am not accusing you of rigging anything, but man, enough is enough with these "made for hollywood" match ups already.
:rolleyes: You weren't the only wondering about a few of the match ups in Round 1. :rolleyes:
for every made for hollywood match we got, we got a couple snoozers too
Due in large part to the fact that everytime I leave the thread, people forget what I've said, misquote me, or choose to ignore it. I've gathered my theory together in a nice big easy to read chunk (and now all I have to do is quote myself). Enjoy.
Jedah's Big 10-Second Incap Theory
This theory is based on the following things
#1 Superman's speed
#2 Superman's strength
#3 The pre-match download
#4 The size of the arena
#5 The assumption rule
#6 The character of movie Superman.
Ok... here we go.
**The Pre-match Download**
Superman gets the Hulk's movie downloaded.
Superman knows that the longer he fights Hulk, the stronger Hulk will get.
Superman knows that only Betty seems to be able to talk Hulk down.
**Movie Superman's Character**
Superman will not kill Hulk.
Superman really doesn't even want to hurt Hulk.
Movie Superman would like to talk to Hulk.... but, thanks to the pre-match download, he knows only Betty can do that.
Superman would settle on incapping the Hulk.
Movie Superman is capable of out-thinking Hulk
**Movie Superman's Strength**
The madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets.
At the start of the match, Superman is stronger than Hulk.
Movie Superman has a grip that can turn coal into diamonds.
**The Size of the Arena**
25 square miles.... 25 miles high.
19 miles up, our atmosphere resembles a vacuum.
**Movie Superman's Speed**
(Here's the part thats causing the most trouble... so we'll take this slow. Also, since the speeds he reached during the time travel part and the speeds required to break free of the Earth's gravitational pull only serve to confuse people... we'll leave those out.)
Movie Superman flew from the ground, out of our atmosphere in anywhere from 15 to 17 seconds. (source: NotYou)
From the ground, our atmosphere extends 348 miles.
Movie Superman traveled 348 miles thru our atmosphere in 15 to 17 seconds.
To find Superman's average speed you'd divide the distance traveled by the time the trip took.
Our arena is only 25 miles wide and 25 miles high.
He can't reach the same speeds he did in the trip thru our atmosphere, due to not having the same amount of space.
But, he is capable of tremendous speeds.
In my scenario, Superman would fly to Hulk, grab him, drag Hulk up 25 miles, and let him go. Hulk has passed out from lack of oxygen before in his own movie. From at least 19 to 25 miles up... theres little to no oxygen.
Hulk passes out again.... and adding the time he's passed out, and the time it'd take him to hit the Earth. (anywhere from a 4 to 8 minute freefall) that should count as a 10 second incap.
**Common Responses**
"Superman has never fought at super speed in his movies."
Here's where the assumption rule comes in. Just because he was never seen doing it, doesn't mean he can't. Superman has the tools at his disposal to achieve this scenario, it's safe to assume he can do it.
"Hulk is the strongest there is!"
Correct. Once he gets mad enough, he's really really strong. Key there being, "Once he gets mad enough.".
This scenario has Superman moving so fast that Hulk barely has time to react to getting grabbed, much less time to get mad.
"Superman can't grab ahold of Hulk!"
Superman has a grip that can turn coal into diamonds.
Bullets make indentations into Hulk's flesh in his own movie.
There are many ways Superman can grab Hulk.
"Hulk will get free shots in on Superman as Supes is carrying Hulk up."
Maybe, he's got seconds to do it in.
And these are punches from a not fully powered up Hulk. Superman can more than likely take a few shots from a not fully powered up Hulk.
Ro_gan had Superman take 50 unanswered shots from Hulk and it only gave Supes a broken nose.
"Superman can't reach the speeds your describing in our atmosphere!"
Please re-read the section called "Movie Superman's Speed." The distance of our atmosphere is a fact. The time he traveled it is provided by NotYou.
This theory is not based on how fast Superman traveled in space to turn back time.
Nor is it based on how fast he had to travel just to get into orbit.
Just how fast he traveled thru our atmosphere.
"This is all just your opinion!"
Well, not all of it...
The science facts, the size of the arena, the pre-match download, how fast Superman traveled through our atmosphere.... those kinds of things aren't my opinions.
This scenario is my opinion of what Superman should be able to due thanks to the arena pull and the assumption rule.
Just like Hulk beating Supes may be your opinion.
Silver Lantern
08/28/2004, 11:42
I vote for the Hulk!
Reason: He's the green, just like Kryptonite! (Put that in your pipe and smoke it!) :grin: :laugh: :) :confused: ;)
green_knight
08/28/2004, 13:54
Originally posted by Rando
I disagree, I think tedium leads to boredom. In the short term I would expect Hulk to get angry, but after a few hours of no contact with anything I think he would just get bored.
I agree, otherwise Hulk would Never turn back into Banner. And we know that's not the case.
green_knight
08/28/2004, 13:59
Originally posted by jedah_s
Due in large part to the fact that everytime I leave the thread, people forget what I've said, misquote me, or choose to ignore it. I've gathered my theory together in a nice big easy to read chunk (and now all I have to do is quote myself). Enjoy.
Jedah's Big 10-Second Incap Theory
This theory is based on the following things
#1 Superman's speed
#2 Superman's strength
#3 The pre-match download
#4 The size of the arena
#5 The assumption rule
#6 The character of movie Superman.
Ok... here we go.
**The Pre-match Download**
Superman gets the Hulk's movie downloaded.
Superman knows that the longer he fights Hulk, the stronger Hulk will get.
Superman knows that only Betty seems to be able to talk Hulk down.
**Movie Superman's Character**
Superman will not kill Hulk.
Superman really doesn't even want to hurt Hulk.
Movie Superman would like to talk to Hulk.... but, thanks to the pre-match download, he knows only Betty can do that.
Superman would settle on incapping the Hulk.
Movie Superman is capable of out-thinking Hulk
**Movie Superman's Strength**
The madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets.
At the start of the match, Superman is stronger than Hulk.
Movie Superman has a grip that can turn coal into diamonds.
**The Size of the Arena**
25 square miles.... 25 miles high.
19 miles up, our atmosphere resembles a vacuum.
**Movie Superman's Speed**
(Here's the part thats causing the most trouble... so we'll take this slow. Also, since the speeds he reached during the time travel part and the speeds required to break free of the Earth's gravitational pull only serve to confuse people... we'll leave those out.)
Movie Superman flew from the ground, out of our atmosphere in anywhere from 15 to 17 seconds. (source: NotYou)
From the ground, our atmosphere extends 348 miles.
Movie Superman traveled 348 miles thru our atmosphere in 15 to 17 seconds.
To find Superman's average speed you'd divide the distance traveled by the time the trip took.
Our arena is only 25 miles wide and 25 miles high.
He can't reach the same speeds he did in the trip thru our atmosphere, due to not having the same amount of space.
But, he is capable of tremendous speeds.
In my scenario, Superman would fly to Hulk, grab him, drag Hulk up 25 miles, and let him go. Hulk has passed out from lack of oxygen before in his own movie. From at least 19 to 25 miles up... theres little to no oxygen.
Hulk passes out again.... and adding the time he's passed out, and the time it'd take him to hit the Earth. (anywhere from a 4 to 8 minute freefall) that should count as a 10 second incap.
**Common Responses**
"Superman has never fought at super speed in his movies."
Here's where the assumption rule comes in. Just because he was never seen doing it, doesn't mean he can't. Superman has the tools at his disposal to achieve this scenario, it's safe to assume he can do it.
"Hulk is the strongest there is!"
Correct. Once he gets mad enough, he's really really strong. Key there being, "Once he gets mad enough.".
This scenario has Superman moving so fast that Hulk barely has time to react to getting grabbed, much less time to get mad.
"Superman can't grab ahold of Hulk!"
Superman has a grip that can turn coal into diamonds.
Bullets make indentations into Hulk's flesh in his own movie.
There are many ways Superman can grab Hulk.
"Hulk will get free shots in on Superman as Supes is carrying Hulk up."
Maybe, he's got seconds to do it in.
And these are punches from a not fully powered up Hulk. Superman can more than likely take a few shots from a not fully powered up Hulk.
Ro_gan had Superman take 50 unanswered shots from Hulk and it only gave Supes a broken nose.
"Superman can't reach the speeds your describing in our atmosphere!"
Please re-read the section called "Movie Superman's Speed." The distance of our atmosphere is a fact. The time he traveled it is provided by NotYou.
This theory is not based on how fast Superman traveled in space to turn back time.
Nor is it based on how fast he had to travel just to get into orbit.
Just how fast he traveled thru our atmosphere.
"This is all just your opinion!"
Well, not all of it...
The science facts, the size of the arena, the pre-match download, how fast Superman traveled through our atmosphere.... those kinds of things aren't my opinions.
This scenario is my opinion of what Superman should be able to due thanks to the arena pull and the assumption rule.
Just like Hulk beating Supes may be your opinion.
**Green Knight applauds, raises his glass, and puts on a hat. Tips hat.**
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 15:32
Now that is what's called the Superman beats Hulk theorem. You'll learn it in advanced calculas!;) :laugh:
Originally posted by jedah_s
well, #1 dtm ruled the hulk won't just calm down.
and
#2 he's alone in the movie, staring at that weird fungus a couple times.... and he doesn't revert then. he's pretty relaxed when those choppers show up.
when he does and doesn't revert in the movies is kinda random.
FOR THE LAST TIME, I DID NOT rule that the Hulk could not be calmed down, I simply said I personally would find such a tactic, Very Unlikely.
Originally posted by Silver Lantern
I too agree the Hulk's pimp hand is way too strong. ;)
I don't think there is ANYTHING supes can do to him, that won't just make him stronger. My vote: HULK!
Btw, Emperor/Yoda, Prof X/Magneto, and now Hulk/Supes.
Man, I don't doubt you all's integrity or that of grinner's kids dice rolling skills, but at SOME POINT it becomes just WAY TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE... if you get my drift. And please DTM, spare me the upset anger rant of how you hate to be accused about rigging stuff. I am not accusing you of rigging anything, but man, enough is enough with these "made for hollywood" match ups already.
Im lost.
You admit Im not rigging these matches, and that Grinner is randomly making them all up OK. Soooo, what am I supposed to do it we get such matchups in the future, THEN change it to something alittle more PC. In effect, RIGGING the matches that Grinner randomly choose? Do you understand the concept of RANDOM DRAW?
THANK CHRIST ITS OVER!!
It took me WAY TOO LONG to read through 10+ pages with practically NO NEW VOTES. I HATE YOU ALL.
In all seriousness, I could NEVER have done so with enough time during the week (its Sunday morning here now), so please keep this in mind before arguing all night long, DTM has only an hour MAX to read ALL the new posts from ALL the battle threads, make a count and post a new battle thread. I aint the Flash here, so while I support the need for healthy and friendly arguments, 10+ pages of such is alittle much, capishe?
As for as How is the Hulk going to POP Superman with all of his speed, well, because it happens all the time in the comics, and comic Superman used his super speed MUCH MORE than movie Superman.
Hulk hits Gladiator, Solomon Grundy hits Superman, Thing hits Silver Surfer, Depsero hits Captain Marvel, Lobo hits Wonder Woman.
LOADS of big strong bruisers with minimal to NO super speed hit such FAST and AGILE characters ALL THE TIME, and they used Super Speed in battle ALOT more than Movie Superman EVER did.
Good enough answer for you thugit?
Superman - 37 votes
Hulk - 33 votes
Given that the same person that posted that also took the time to goto each thread and post a gibberish reason for voteing, I wouldn't worry too much about their opinion if I were you DTM.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 17:11
Originally posted by Rando
Given that the same person that posted that also took the time to goto each thread and post a gibberish reason for voteing, I wouldn't worry too much about their opinion if I were you DTM.
Nope, my vote is my reasoning and interpretation of each character. If I think Superman has a poison apple then he does.
Sure it is.
I was refering to Silver Lantern in that post.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 17:13
Oh, well DTM was referring to Thugit and My "flaming" of JesseJames-though I don't think it went on for 10 pages, more like 7.
As posted in the latest battle, NO MORE such silly and ridculous posts Professor. Rest Assured, if you entire reasoning for Superman rested on a velvety posion apple, it would not be counted.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 18:02
Originally posted by DTM
As posted in the latest battle, NO MORE such silly and ridculous posts Professor. Rest Assured, if you entire reasoning for Superman rested on a velvety posion apple, it would not be counted.
Oh no, Superman could always sneeze on Hulk and Hulk is out for the 10 count because Dr. Banner's germophobic...
Okay, I'm pretty sure that Superman's super-speed is no longer in question.
Supergirl was made by the same people as the Superman movies. So, as both are Kryptonians, it falls safely within the Assumption Rule that if Supergirl has super-speed so does Superman. We had multiple examples of Supergirl using super-speed (not just flying fast) - for example in one scene crosses the room, puts paper in a typewriter, types up a letter of recommendation and files it in the filing cabinet in seconds.
Originally posted by DTM
THANK CHRIST ITS OVER!!
It took me WAY TOO LONG to read through 10+ pages with practically NO NEW VOTES. I HATE YOU ALL.
we love you too dtm. :cry:
Originally posted by Grinner
Okay, I'm pretty sure that Superman's super-speed is no longer in question.
Supergirl was made by the same people as the Superman movies. So, as both are Kryptonians, it falls safely within the Assumption Rule that if Supergirl has super-speed so does Superman. We had multiple examples of Supergirl using super-speed (not just flying fast) - for example in one scene crosses the room, puts paper in a typewriter, types up a letter of recommendation and files it in the filing cabinet in seconds.
Don't suppose she fought at superspeed at all?
Come now Jedah, you know Im only kidding (for most of you anyway) :)
Originally posted by NotYou
Don't suppose she fought at superspeed at all?
even if she didn't
assumption rule ;)
Originally posted by NotYou
Don't suppose she fought at superspeed at all?
Well, first off she didn't fight very much (a point my son was rather disappointed with).
But during one fight she did take a lamp-post, fly into the sky with it at super-speed, get it charged by lightning, fly back and then use it against the storm-creature she was fighting.
Originally posted by jedah_s
even if she didn't
assumption rule ;)
Well considering you have admitted that the reason you
dislike Superman, is because he never uses his abilities
to their full extent, it's a bad assumption.
Is anyone really questioning whether Superman CAN move and fight at super speeds (which shouldnt be in doubt at all), or whether he WILL fight and move at super speed in battle (which is the much better question)?
As pointed out, in comics, many different types of super speed HWs fight much slower HWs, almost NEVER using their super speed at all. (some examples were posted just before)
Since comics Superman used his speed in battle a good deal more often than movie Superman ever did, its alittle unlikely, THOUGH far from impossible, that hed do so here.
Is it possible for Superman to battle Hulk at super speeds, OF COURSE. However, judging from the fights hes shown to do in his films, its a bit unlikely.
but judging from whats shown of the emperor, it's perfectly likely to assume he saber fights like yoda?
at least superman is shown using super speed in the films... i' say that alone makes it a safe assumption.
and yes, there are plenty of people questioning that superman can even move at super speed.
I think that it's less a question of "Can Superman hit Hulk a hundred times before Hulk even knows he's there?" (I'd have to say no) than it is a question of "Can Superman grab Hulk and fly up to the top of the arena before Hulk can pummel him to unconsiousness?" which, by my vote I'd have to say is a yes.
BUT, in the movies, The Emperor was never shown to be in a battle where he needed to use a lightsaber. If Mace came at him with his, and the Emperor didnt pull one out and got beat because of it, OK Id say he doesnt have one.
Superman HAS been in fights where his super speed would have been a nice advantage, yet he never used it. Sure his opponents had his own powers, but where much less experienced, hence the super speed would have been key there.
There is a major difference between the two really.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Oh no, Superman could always sneeze on Hulk and Hulk is out for the 10 count because Dr. Banner's germophobic...
Is there a particular reason I missed why you're being so obstinately annoying about your reasons?
i don't even want to get into the emperor thing again.
forget i mentioned it.
this is the supes thread.
and thank you grinner....
i've said before, superman isn't *fighting* hulk at super speeds... he's doing a grab and go.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 19:38
Originally posted by Grinner
Is there a particular reason I missed why you're being so obstinately annoying about your reasons?
No, not really-oh wait yes-I don't have to have a reason that is in the characters means-I have to make one with my interpretations of the characters. If I view Banner as a germophobe and Superman as The witch from Snow White-then logically they are and that's how I decide my vote right?
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Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Even with the machine it was slow? Additionally, the sandstorm will be wind and sand, Murdoch has time to tune the terrain into glass before the sandstorm can reach him, if it does-then there's the tk bubble to protect him.
Fine, I understand that you don't want anymore ulcers for your ulcers-but let's take this to the next level of logic...
Gandalf the White vs. Superman dueling in the military complex-by what you have said then I can vote Gandalf to win because Gandalf will just hit Superman with his cane and Superman's out cold. You're saying I can vote on that reason?
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Yes, you can, 100%.
Its a dumb reason for a Gandalf win, and I wouldnt believe it for an instant, but it would count. Im not here to judge whether the reasons for peoples votes are good enough to count, I just dont want to see Gandalf wins cause hes white and I like white replies, capishe? If youre saying Gandalf is so magically powered that hed take Superman out in a single hit, sure why not. Its a reason, though one i dont agree with. Im not about to overrule silly reasons for characters to win, UNLESS they breach one of the simple rules here.
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I suppose this is why the Mummy is winning in match 3 since everyone's interpretation thinks that Murdoch won't tune the sand into glass or at least use a tk bubble to keep him safe from the sandstorms. Additionally, Freddy seems to be losing because everyone's interpretation is that if you don't fear him he becomes a fluffy bunny and comes back only in sequels.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 21:20
I love you all.
Im also a Nazi.
...Good points for Supes guys. But the match is pretty much over. So I'll stay with Hulk. If the Supes needed one more vote...I would have switched.
:)
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 21:23
The "I love you all." Is to make up for DTM "I hate you all."
:p
Well I hate you all too.
Hate: 2
Love: 1
:)
Well I've been reading all these posts so I wont comment on most of them I will say however I do disagree with the fly 25 miles up and Hulk passes out theory. I disagree with it because in the movie it took a while for the plane to get up there and everyone is saying Supes flys so fast that he will be up there in a second. Thats great because then Hulk still has lots of breath and can still pound the carp of Supes before he passes out. He hits Supes and makes him realease his grip and falls back to Earth just fine. Thats my take on it anyway.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 22:03
Good point.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 22:04
Im sure Hulk could hold his breath for well over a minute in need be.
Ive never thought of it before. But some normal men can hold thier breath for 5 minutes. Im sure Hulk could hold his.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 22:17
Originally posted by LDK
Well I've been reading all these posts so I wont comment on most of them I will say however I do disagree with the fly 25 miles up and Hulk passes out theory. I disagree with it because in the movie it took a while for the plane to get up there and everyone is saying Supes flys so fast that he will be up there in a second. Thats great because then Hulk still has lots of breath and can still pound the carp of Supes before he passes out. He hits Supes and makes him realease his grip and falls back to Earth just fine. Thats my take on it anyway.
Yeah, that's nice but going up to 25 miles in the air-you're in a vaccuum-you know, no air or oxygen hence you would fall at the same rate physics headache stuff. Hulk can hold his breath but the more he uses his strength to beat on Supes the more air he'll need-the more he struggles the less time it takes for him to pass out. Then Supes can still drop the guy and he'll definately pass out soon enough.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 22:19
Originally posted by JesseJames
Im sure Hulk could hold his breath for well over a minute in need be.
Ive never thought of it before. But some normal men can hold thier breath for 5 minutes. Im sure Hulk could hold his.
Name the people who can hold their breath for 5 minutes. I thought you can only hold it no more than 3.5 minutes and then the brain damage starts.
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 22:20
Originally posted by NotYou
Well I hate you all too.
Hate: 2
Love: 1
:)
OH! YOU'RE A FANBOY! YOU RIGGED THIS MATCH!
I vote hate because my reasoning is that hate will pull out a boogie board and fly away from love. Then hate will find away to incap love and win cuz hate's da' bomb!
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 22:21
Its in the record books. And Ripleys
I could look it up, but then again.
EVEN IF the longest time is 3.5 minutes. Im willing to bet due to Hulk's super humaness he can hold FAR FAR longer.
In the comics Hulk can hold his breath for over an hour. In the movie on the dvd I think it also mentions he can hold his breath for an hour as well. But either the movie shows Hulk holding his breath for quite a while as he swimms from San Fran bay and into the sewer system. That definitly takes more than a couple of minutes.
Also like I said its great that Supes gets Hulk all the way that high in a second because he then gets a chance to pound Supes a few times to make him let go. When he does Hulk falls back to Earth and will be fine.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 22:36
LDK, you have restablished my faith in the Incredulous Hulk.
*Bows*
Prof. Aragorn
08/28/2004, 22:40
Originally posted by LDK
In the comics Hulk can hold his breath for over an hour. In the movie on the dvd I think it also mentions he can hold his breath for an hour as well. But either the movie shows Hulk holding his breath for quite a while as he swimms from San Fran bay and into the sewer system. That definitly takes more than a couple of minutes.
Also like I said its great that Supes gets Hulk all the way that high in a second because he then gets a chance to pound Supes a few times to make him let go. When he does Hulk falls back to Earth and will be fine.
Falls back to earth in 8 minutes, by then he'd be out since he exerted so much energy while holding his breath.
Additionally, in 2 seconds Supes brings him up flying, not much reaction time for Hulk at all until he finally realizes he's running out of air. Hulk bashes Supes for easily 5 minutes with Superman barely feeling anything-then Hulk gets madder and runs out of breath more often than nought and eventually falls for about 8 minutes. Hulk should be out of breath by then and passed out. There's also when he makes the big crater there's going to be a big impact-it's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Falls back to earth in 8 minutes, by then he'd be out since he exerted so much energy while holding his breath.
Additionally, in 2 seconds Supes brings him up flying, not much reaction time for Hulk at all until he finally realizes he's running out of air. Hulk bashes Supes for easily 5 minutes with Superman barely feeling anything-then Hulk gets madder and runs out of breath more often than nought and eventually falls for about 8 minutes. Hulk should be out of breath by then and passed out. There's also when he makes the big crater there's going to be a big impact-it's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing.
Yeah but it doesn't take 8 min to get back into a breathable atmosphere. Also, why is it taking 5 min for Hulk to hurt Superman? A couple of solid hits by the Hulk should be more than enough make Supes lose his grip. Or even better to get a hold of Supes and go hth to do some real damage.
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 22:50
"Hulk bashes Supes for easily 5 minutes with Superman barely feeling anything."
I would disagree there. Even with Hulk holding his breath, one of his punches could easily force Supes to drop him.
Matter of oppinion.
Originally posted by JesseJames
LDK, you have restablished my faith in the Incredulous Hulk.
*Bows*
Thanks :) I'm a big Hulk fan and know everything there is to know about him. I know what he can and can't do and what it would take to beat him. Whereas their scenerio is completely possible and probably the only way Supes could beat Hulk I dont think Supes would be able to do this more than 50% of the time. I see Hulk getting into hth more often than not and taking the win.
So even after he gets slugged by the Hulk, Superman STILL won't use his superspeed?
No DTM, that's not good enough.
Hulk might get one or two free ones, but once Kal figures out what's up, (remember, he knows that Hulk gets stronger...) he starts zooming around, and beats Hulk...
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 23:04
This "Superspeed." argument is about as redundant as...something really redundant.
I figure no amount of arguing at this point going to change anyones views on that.
Its either, it will play into the battle as really important...or it wont.
:ermm:
It's redundant to Hulk fans who know that he isn't fast enough to keep up with Superman...
JesseJames
08/28/2004, 23:06
Yep sure is.
Both Zod and Supes had superspeed, and he took on a giant robot. (so I heard)
Never used his Superspeed there. I think its more "convenience" the anything.
again i leave for a day....
*sigh*
first it was "superman can't fly that fast."
now it's "superman flies too fast for hulk to pass out from lack of oxygen."
sure, thats cool.
the 4 to 8 minute freefall where hulk can't do anything..... (you know, not being to do anything... kinda like being incapped)... yeah that one.
that freefall is longer than 10 seconds.
10 seconds is all supes needs.
and hulk holding his breath in the comic... doesn't matter, thats an outside source.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 10:54
Hulk STILL is Super Human, I would easily assume Hulk holding his breath for well over 10 minutes at the VERY< VERY least.
sure, whatever....
holding your breath when theres air around is one thing.... holding your breath in a vaccuum is different.
still takes 4 to 8 minutes to hit the ground. thats just a tad longer than the 10 seconds required for an incap.
is hulk smart and calm enough to remember to hold his breath when he's 25 miles up?
or is he going to go "RAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!" and have a spaz attack?
Originally posted by thugit
So even after he gets slugged by the Hulk, Superman STILL won't use his superspeed?
No DTM, that's not good enough.
Hulk might get one or two free ones, but once Kal figures out what's up, (remember, he knows that Hulk gets stronger...) he starts zooming around, and beats Hulk...
It happens that way in the comics, dont blame me thugit? :)
Very rarely do super fast bruisers fight much slower bruisers using super speed in actual HTH combat.
gladiator1518
08/29/2004, 14:23
Well, I remember one time when a mind controlled Superman beat the s### out of Lobo using him as a "super speed punching bag". And Lobo himself is quite fast. Much faster than Hulk.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 14:31
Lobo has superspeed?
Of course the key word is "Mind Control"
That wasnt Superman using his speed.
gladiator1518
08/29/2004, 14:34
I realize that. I was just pointing out the fact that he has the superspeed if he wants to use it.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 14:35
Oh I know, I was just pointing out the other fact.
gladiator1518
08/29/2004, 14:42
Oh, and Lobo does have lightning reflexes. I wouldn't classify it as "superspeed".
green_knight
08/29/2004, 17:13
Originally posted by jedah_s
is hulk smart and calm enough to remember to hold his breath when he's 25 miles up?
or is he going to go "RAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!" and have a spaz attack?
yeah, all I keep hearing about is how everything makes Hulk madder. You hit him, he gets madder. You don't hit him he gets madder. You pick him up he gets madder. The Broncos lose, he gets madder.
Well based on what people are saying, that dropping the Hulk will make him madder, then it stands to reason that his larger, more powerful body will need MORE oxygen to maintain itself, and then pass out even faster. An ounce of gas in a geo metro will last longer than in an 18 wheeler. So Hulk getting madder as he is carried up, or tossed down won't do anything but work against him.
Furthermore, in the old Hulk movie, "The death of the Incredible Hulk", he fell from a helicopter and died upon impact. It was not an episode, it was a movie, so it should count as a source for this tournament. And if not, well, there's the whole passing out thing that seems to work just fine.
I think he was becoming Banner when he landed in that.
And hoping that the old TV movies can be counted here
is making you sound very desperate.
You do realise Supes is in the lead?
By the way,
Hate: 3
Love: 1
and going from "supes can't fly that fast!" to "supes flies too fast!" doesn't make anyone sound desperate?
how about these gems for sounding desperate....
"maybe there's air up at 25 miles"
"superman can't grab ahold of hulk"
"what if the arena is 100 miles below sea level"
Well I think you're making too much of the flies too fast comment.
Judging by the films, if Superman gets a good hold on Hulk
it'll take him roughly 10 seconds to reach the top of the arena.
As the arena is a sealed area, it is hard to imagine a natural
vacuum forming in it, so the 'maybe there's some air' argument
isn't too outrageous, but you could believe that it is forced to
be the way it would be if it weren't sealed somehow.
I'm not going to search for the original statement, but I think
the 100 miles thing is misquoted, and largely irrelevant anyway.
Even after all of this, is coming up with desperate theories,
in response to other desperate theories, the best way to
strengthen an argument?
Personally I think Hulk won't let him maintain his grip for 10
seconds. In fact I think Superman would regret coming out
of hiding, and going anywhere near Hulk.
gladiator1518
08/29/2004, 18:41
Yeah, cause that'd only make Hulk madder right?
gladiator1518
08/29/2004, 18:47
Sorry for the sarcasm NotYou. I'm sure YOU have a very good reason for thinking it'd be a mistake for Superman to go near Hulk. But, I get so tired of everybody else essentialy saying that whatever happens Hulk gets madder.
see i always figured the arena was sealed to the competitors..... some sort of mystical barrier that wouldn't let them leave it (or whatever).
and that the arena itself operated like it would normally.
adding special characteristics to the terrain, because it's sealed would require more rules.
if the arena is sealed, is there airflow? wind? if the contestants spend enough time in it would they suffocate? are there weather patterns in a sealed space?
it's easier to treat the "arena cube" as a chunk of normal terrain that only the characters are unable to leave.
I'll be more than happy to find the "100 miles below sea level " quote for you, i'm not lying about it.
personally i don't think my theory is desperate.
i think some of the responses to it have been.
personally i think my theory is pretty sound.
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 19:01
Originally posted by NotYou
Judging by the films, if Superman gets a good hold on Hulk
it'll take him roughly 10 seconds to reach the top of the arena.
But judging by the movies, if Superman wants to he can get to the top of the arena in .000000000000001 second...HE CHANGED THE COURSE OF TIME!!!!!
Mr. Savage
When I was talking about desperation, it was regarding the
inclusion of the Bill/Lou TV films.
Your theory regarding pulling the Hulk up high is fair, but
personally I don't think the Hulk would be co-operative
enough. Rando's hiding idea is more likely to succeed, as
long as Hulk is allowed to stop 'trying to win', in order to
wander off a look for beans.
Originally posted by VandalSavage
But judging by the movies, if Superman wants to he can get to the top of the arena in .000000000000001 second...HE CHANGED THE COURSE OF TIME!!!!!
Mr. Savage
I feel embarrassed, by association, merely responding to this.
If you're rampant fanaticism is some kind of joke, please
add some kind of smiley.
If it isn't, and you have read the thread then I'll just
leave you to cuddle your Superman dolly.
see i'm not even using the speeds he reached during the time travel bit, because as notyou pointed out...
#1 he doesn't have the distance to reach those speeds
#2 he reached those speeds in space
i simply went by the time it took for him to leave our atmosphere.
348 miles, in 15 to 17 seconds.
thats not even counting the speed needed to break free of the earth's gravitational pull.
since those speeds only seem to confuse the issues, i'm making it simple.
348 miles in 15 to 17 seconds.
notyou seems to think he made the rest of the 323 miles in 5 to 7 seconds, so i'm not even arguing that.
i think thats even fast enough. (even tho i personally think he could do it faster.)
what i don't think is that "not fully mad yet" hulk can do enough damage to supes to make him go before he reaches the top floor.
and please note....
never once have i said i think movie supes could take movie hulk in a fistfight.
straight up, toe-to-toe... hulk.
(granted, movie hulk has never been hit by *anything* that would hit as hard as supes)
but with this scenario... supes doesn't have to slug it out with hulk.
and if the arena pull had been different... say the completely closed in space station (negating supes speed advantage) hulk.
so please don't peg me as a blind supes fanboy.
i thought this out.... and asked questions before i came up with this.
Originally posted by jedah_s
see i always figured the arena was sealed to the competitors..... some sort of mystical barrier that wouldn't let them leave it (or whatever).
and that the arena itself operated like it would normally.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I seem to recall a similar debate popping up back in the comic ToCs (which I will eventually get indexed as well - thanks to brendanbrown for the links to the team matches), and I believe that "everything is like normal except they cannot go through or bring things through the barrier" was DTM's ruling.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 19:41
This must be the longest match ever...
Vandal has a point. The guy can change time. It happened in the movie, which is what this is based on, NOT the comic, so he can do it.
Originally posted by jedah_s
again i leave for a day....
*sigh*
first it was "superman can't fly that fast."
now it's "superman flies too fast for hulk to pass out from lack of oxygen."
sure, thats cool.
the 4 to 8 minute freefall where hulk can't do anything..... (you know, not being to do anything... kinda like being incapped)... yeah that one.
that freefall is longer than 10 seconds.
10 seconds is all supes needs.
and hulk holding his breath in the comic... doesn't matter, thats an outside source.
How does Hulk being in freefall mean he is incapped? That doesn't make any sense at all! Hulk cant do anything he is only falling so he is automatically incapped? That is insane. So basically you are sayinig then if Hulk does one of his leaps and it takes more than ten seconds to touch the ground again he is incapped then too? Now who is reaching?
Hulk held his breath in the movie too read the full post I wrote not just snippits please.
Originally posted by dj_sha
Vandal has a point. The guy can change time. It happened in the movie, which is what this is based on, NOT the comic, so he can do it.
He changed time by going around the Earth fast enough to travel back in time. He cant do that in this arena so what exactly is your point?
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:00
What it comes down to in my opinion is that Hulk can hold his breath to long, is to strong, and is to durable.
Supes will be crushed under the mighty pimp hand of the ever mighty Incredulous Hulk.
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 23:07
Originally posted by NotYou
I feel embarrassed, by association, merely responding to this.
If you're rampant fanaticism is some kind of joke, please
add some kind of smiley.
If it isn't, and you have read the thread then I'll just
leave you to cuddle your Superman dolly.
Maybe you should go back to your Hulk Dolly...It has NOTHING to do with who I like better, it has to do with you saying Hulk would not cooperate...There is no cooperation..Hulk has started the battle but before he can do ANYTHING...He is suddenly falling from the top of the arena....There is no fighting back, no dodging, no ducking, NO MOVING...Supes is so fast there is no reaction time...So many people keep saying he didn't fight in superspeed in the movie...But he can do it...That's shown in the speed he goes...He can move fast doing anything...People are shown doing a greater than average thing in movies all the time.. They don't show every little Lessor thing , that does not mean it can't be done....If you can fly fast enough to CHANGE the COURSE of the Earth's Rotation and then back again you can certainly fly to the other side of an arena and to the top at an incredible speed also....He could fly in a circle 25 miles around and create such a force that the Hulk that it would equal the pressure of a black hole....Why...BECAUSE HE CAN FLY FAST ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF TIME......Sure this is crazy...The whole idea is crazy, BUT in the movie he did it...It's powerful...Too Powerful, but he's in the Tourney and he did it....So to sum up....HE CHANGED THE COURSE OF TIME and the Earth was SHOWN TO MOVE BOTH WAYS...For Dramatic Effect or NOT...IT MOVED...IT WENT FORWARD...THEN BACKWARD, THEN FORWARD AGAIN!!!!
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:11
You know...If Superman is this powerful...he shouldnt be here.
He can lift anything he wants basically, according to everyone here.
And can fly across the area in .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000002 seconds.
He could do this to EVERYBODY.
He shouldnt be here then.
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 23:12
Originally posted by LDK
He changed time by going around the Earth fast enough to travel back in time. He cant do that in this arena so what exactly is your point?
Well, He could circle the arena so fast in such a speed that hulk would not even be able to stand and the pressure would do incredible damage to the hulk....
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:14
Supes VS Godzilla:
Supes flies across the arena grabs Godzillas tail and thrusts Godzilla 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs AM
Supes flies across the arena grabs AM and thrusts AM 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs EVERYBODY
Supes flies across the arena grabs everybody and thrusts everybody 12 miles into the sky.
_______________________
This argument can be used against everybody, Superman is to fast DTM, he shouldnt be here.
_______________________
Which leads to my point....HE NEVER DOES IT. Why all the sudden would he do it against Hulk.
_______________________
But obviously no one cares...get SUpes out of the tourny.
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 23:15
Originally posted by JesseJames
You know...If Superman is this powerful...he shouldnt be here.
He can lift anything he wants basically, according to everyone here.
And can fly across the area in .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000002 seconds.
He could do this to EVERYBODY.
He shouldnt be here then.
I agree...I don't think anyone will be able to match his speed...He is SUPER POWERFUL in the movies...He is Godzilla Powerful..and I mean the Good One...Not the one in the tourney....That's the thing...I'm not...Oh it's Superman he should win...I'm oh my gosh this guy ALTERED Time....
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:16
I agree. Get Supes out.
Superman is to powerful....get him out.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:17
HULK WINS BY DQ.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:p
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 23:19
Originally posted by JesseJames
Supes VS Godzilla:
Supes flies across the arena grabs Godzillas tail and thrusts Godzilla 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs AM
Supes flies across the arena grabs AM and thrusts AM 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs EVERYBODY
Supes flies across the arena grabs everybody and thrusts everybody 12 miles into the sky.
_______________________
This argument can be used against everybody, Superman is to fast DTM, he shouldnt be here.
_______________________
Which leads to my point....HE NEVER DOES IT. Why all the sudden would he do it against Hulk.
_______________________
But obviously no one cares...get SUpes out of the tourny.
The difference here as in all these tourneys is people can think of easier ways to win then they allow in the movies...Movies tend to overpower or underpower according to Scene...Same with TV...One week the hero will do something...The next week he forgets the power all together...Writers often write themselves in holes they can't get out of....It happens all the time....Plus think how boring the movie would be if Supes did this all the time...Boring...But in these tourneys, boring is not a factor...We see the two characters for what they can do, not what would look good on screen for 2 hours.
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:23
Exactly, so lets throw out Supes.
Everybody he faces, he can react faster then the other guy can blink.
And use this same tactic.
THROW HIM OUT.
VandalSavage
08/29/2004, 23:25
Well, That's not for me to decide...
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:35
I know.
But by god, If Hulk cant win the old fashion way, I shall screw Supes with a DQ.:p
In all seriousness. If Supes can travel at such ungodly fast uber speeds, and have nearly godly stength as everybody is claiming, he should be a Cosmic being.
No one can defeat him with this strategy.
Originally posted by VandalSavage
Maybe you should go back to your Hulk Dolly...It has NOTHING to do with who I like better, it has to do with you saying Hulk would not cooperate...There is no cooperation..Hulk has started the battle but before he can do ANYTHING...He is suddenly falling from the top of the arena....There is no fighting back, no dodging, no ducking, NO MOVING...Supes is so fast there is no reaction time...So many people keep saying he didn't fight in superspeed in the movie...But he can do it...That's shown in the speed he goes...He can move fast doing anything...People are shown doing a greater than average thing in movies all the time.. They don't show every little Lessor thing , that does not mean it can't be done....If you can fly fast enough to CHANGE the COURSE of the Earth's Rotation and then back again you can certainly fly to the other side of an arena and to the top at an incredible speed also....He could fly in a circle 25 miles around and create such a force that the Hulk that it would equal the pressure of a black hole....Why...BECAUSE HE CAN FLY FAST ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF TIME......Sure this is crazy...The whole idea is crazy, BUT in the movie he did it...It's powerful...Too Powerful, but he's in the Tourney and he did it....So to sum up....HE CHANGED THE COURSE OF TIME and the Earth was SHOWN TO MOVE BOTH WAYS...For Dramatic Effect or NOT...IT MOVED...IT WENT FORWARD...THEN BACKWARD, THEN FORWARD AGAIN!!!!
Mr. Savage
This is just plain ignorant.
The circumstances in the movie were different to those here.
This has been gone over and over and over.
I'm going to assume it is deliberate and not bother reading
any more of your blind ranting.
JesseJames
08/29/2004, 23:52
Im so confused.
Superman can move 343424234325646 miles a hour.
Then he cant
Then he can
Then he cant...
Dalandow
08/29/2004, 23:56
But by god, If Hulk cant win the old fashion way, I shall screw Supes with a DQ.
Amen!!!!!!
Down with Supes!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by LDK
How does Hulk being in freefall mean he is incapped? That doesn't make any sense at all! Hulk cant do anything he is only falling so he is automatically incapped? That is insane. So basically you are sayinig then if Hulk does one of his leaps and it takes more than ten seconds to touch the ground again he is incapped then too? Now who is reaching?
Hulk held his breath in the movie too read the full post I wrote not just snippits please.
Of course, if Superman dropped Hulk, then flew down below him and used his super-breath to keep sending Hulk up where there's no air it doesn't really matter if he can hold his breath for an hour, does it? Either a) he's considered incapacitated because Superman has him more or less trapped in place or b) after an hour of bouncing up and down Hulk finally needs to breathe, and with no air passes out.
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 00:27
Exactly.
Superman can do this to EVERYBODY. Its not fair. Hes to powerful.
Originally posted by JesseJames
Supes VS Godzilla:
Supes flies across the arena grabs Godzillas tail and thrusts Godzilla 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs AM
Supes flies across the arena grabs AM and thrusts AM 12 miles into the sky.
Supes vs EVERYBODY
Supes flies across the arena grabs everybody and thrusts everybody 12 miles into the sky.
_______________________
This argument can be used against everybody, Superman is to fast DTM, he shouldnt be here.
_______________________
Which leads to my point....HE NEVER DOES IT. Why all the sudden would he do it against Hulk.
_______________________
But obviously no one cares...get SUpes out of the tourny.
He's not going to do this against everyone - I agree completely. But I can actually answer your question "Why all the sudden would he do it against Hulk?"
And the answer is, "Because it is the only thing in the entire movie just downloaded into Superman's brain that knocked Hulk out."
Was a lack of air the only think that knocked out Godzilla? AM? Anyone else in the tournament? NO.
He would do it because Hulk's movie told him to!
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 00:33
But...
Grinner, come on...
IF Superman can do this...Pro-Supes are going to argue he can do it everytime...NO MATTER WHOM he goes against.
"Well, this AM fellow is tough, Ill just drap him up into the atmosphere and suffocate him."
Well, this BJ is tough, But Ill just say his name with Superspeed.
Well, this Godzilla is tough, But ill just drive my body MILLIONS of miles a hour through his knee, incapping the poor thing.
Well this saty Puff is tough, But ill just drive my body through it MILLIONS of miles a hour through his body MILLIONS of times in less then 5 seconds, reducing him to swiss sheese...
get my point
Originally posted by JesseJames
But...
Grinner, come on...
IF Superman can do this...Pro-Supes are going to argue he can do it everytime...NO MATTER WHOM he goes against.
"Well, this AM fellow is tough, Ill just drap him up into the atmosphere and suffocate him."
Well, this BJ is tough, But Ill just say his name with Superspeed.
Well, this Godzilla is tough, But ill just drive my body MILLIONS of miles a hour through his knee, incapping the poor thing.
Well this saty Puff is tough, But ill just drive my body through it MILLIONS of miles a hour through his body MILLIONS of times in less then 5 seconds, reducing him to swiss sheese...
get my point
You weren't around for the comic battles, were you? Superman taking actions like this were regularly shot down because they were out of character.
But when the only thing that actually knocked Hulk out was going into the upper atmosphere and passing out from lack of air I don't see it as being out of character to imitate that action.
gladiator1518
08/30/2004, 00:38
Jesse:
Actually General Zod would give him a serious run for his money. Considering he has the exact same powers that Superman has.
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 00:43
Zod lost to BJ.
Grinner:
But those things arent really out of character. He didnt kill Godzilla he incapped it. And everyone else is pure evil, I dont think SUpes gives two ####s about what he does to them.
Saying BJ's name superfast is the only way to beat him, by the way.
I just think that no one here is going to be a match for him. If your arguing that going around in su...
forget it.
Originally posted by JesseJames
But those things arent really out of character. He didnt kill Godzilla he incapped it. And everyone else is pure evil, I dont think SUpes gives two ####s about what he does to them.
Then you really don't know jack about Superman. There's a reason everyone calls him the Big Blue Boyscout.
Originally posted by gladiator1518
Well, I remember one time when a mind controlled Superman beat the s### out of Lobo using him as a "super speed punching bag". And Lobo himself is quite fast. Much faster than Hulk.
I didnt say such super speed bruisers NEVER used their speed in HTH, just Very Rarely, and plain and simply, thats true.
Originally posted by Grinner
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I seem to recall a similar debate popping up back in the comic ToCs (which I will eventually get indexed as well - thanks to brendanbrown for the links to the team matches), and I believe that "everything is like normal except they cannot go through or bring things through the barrier" was DTM's ruling.
Exactly.
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 00:57
Originally posted by Grinner
Then you really don't know jack about Superman. There's a reason everyone calls him the Big Blue Boyscout.
Tell me, Grinner, how is Superman going to beat these guys then.
Try to sell Cookies to them. Lull them into a false sense of security UNTIL BOOM, he whips out a stick, and smacks Godzilla's nose, and tells him to incapicitate himself.
Hes going to have to use violence. And by god, why not end it quick.
The voters are gonna use the same tactic over again, or one equally effective...just watch.
Originally posted by JesseJames
Tell me, Grinner, how is Superman going to beat these guys then.
Try to sell Cookies to them. Lull them into a false sense of security UNTIL BOOM, he whips out a stick, and smacks Godzilla's nose, and tells him to incapicitate himself.
Hes going to have to use violence. And by god, why not end it quick.
The voters are gonna use the same tactic over again, or one equally effective...just watch.
There is a world of difference between knocking Godzilla out with some well-placed blows to the head and permanently maiming the big lizard by ripping off its leg at Mach One-jillion.
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 01:03
Still, blasting its head with a left Jab, same thing.
Supes blast across the arena faster then Godzilla can react, and pokes his nose.
Supes wins.
I just think this is whats gonna happen everytime, or something similar.
Gwalcavad
08/30/2004, 01:50
The Man of Steel, Superman, is better in every way than the Hulk. He is much stronger, faster, tougher, smarter, and has no real weakness that Hulk can exploit.
+1 for Superman
GoldenAge
08/30/2004, 11:08
SUPERMAN
green_knight
08/30/2004, 13:35
Originally posted by NotYou
I think he was becoming Banner when he landed in that.
And hoping that the old TV movies can be counted here
is making you sound very desperate.
You do realise Supes is in the lead?
By the way,
Hate: 3
Love: 1
You can interpret how I sound however you want, especially if you point out that the situation isn't desperate. But I watched those old Hulk movies, and loved 'em.
As for desperate, there's the people trying to get Superman banned from the tournament, the people saying Hulk can hold his breath for long amounts of time, when we saw in the movie that he can't. Its like arguing Supes is immune to kryptonite, despite the fact that we saw it affect him in the movie.
green_knight
08/30/2004, 13:39
Originally posted by JesseJames
What it comes down to in my opinion is that Hulk can hold his breath to long, is to strong, and is to durable.
Supes will be crushed under the mighty pimp hand of the ever mighty Incredulous Hulk.
But JJ, we saw Hulk pass out in the movie, and he wasn't even as high up, or going as fast as he would be here, if he were carried by Supes.
aZrealmusik
08/30/2004, 15:22
So let me get this straight:
Superman is physically stronger than Galactus, can fly at 100x the spped of light, can use speed-talking to hypnotize (mind control), has laser-eyes, can fly, is a super-genious, can breathe forth an ice-storm, is impervious to all forms of Damage shy of flying into the Sun...
And once again I say Supes is the lamest, most uncreative hero in the history of the world. He has no bravery. No courage. He doesn't need it. He could stop all crime on the planet, beat up every bad guy in the known universe, and save every kitten stuck in every tree within 10 minutes tops. Sounds like an under-achiever, too. My point being, if the only reason Supes fails at anything is because he just "felt like taking it easy on them," maybe he should be held off until the Cosmic weightclass.
Not b/c I don't like him, but b/c he is apparently the most powerful force imaginable and he is going to beat ANYBODY he doesn't want to take it eas on.
I agree with JesseJames : throw SUPES out.
Ignatz_Mouse
08/30/2004, 15:28
az, Superman is uncreative, but Hulk is? C'mon. Big, strong, unbeatable guy. According to supporters here, just gets madder and stronger NO MATTER WHAT.
Anyway, we're using the movie Superman, who is considerably less powerful than your exaggeration states.
Anyway, back to Superman. The character was conceived when combat and fight scenes weren't the point of comics stories. ie, MORE creative, not less. Superman is so powerful that for good stories to be told about him, writers had to be more creative. Inthe 60's onward, comics focused more and more on battle. Ho-hum, who's stronger? Faster? Tougher? Now THAT'S uncreative. Trying to write a good Myxyzptlk story takes some imagination.
gladiator1518
08/30/2004, 15:28
I'm curious. Who exactly said that Superman is stronger than Galactus and can fly at 100x the speed of light?
Prof. Aragorn
08/30/2004, 15:34
Originally posted by aZrealmusik
So let me get this straight:
Superman is physically stronger than Galactus, can fly at 100x the spped of light, can use speed-talking to hypnotize (mind control), has laser-eyes, can fly, is a super-genious, can breathe forth an ice-storm, is impervious to all forms of Damage shy of flying into the Sun...
And once again I say Supes is the lamest, most uncreative hero in the history of the world. He has no bravery. No courage. He doesn't need it. He could stop all crime on the planet, beat up every bad guy in the known universe, and save every kitten stuck in every tree within 10 minutes tops. Sounds like an under-achiever, too. My point being, if the only reason Supes fails at anything is because he just "felt like taking it easy on them," maybe he should be held off until the Cosmic weightclass.
Not b/c I don't like him, but b/c he is apparently the most powerful force imaginable and he is going to beat ANYBODY he doesn't want to take it eas on.
I agree with JesseJames : throw SUPES out.
There's still kryptonite and magic. Superman can go about the speed of light (at best) and he can't yet pull the moon. He is still way stronger than the Hulk until Hulk is at his maddest (which he has yet to achieve since Hulk still struggles to lift mountains). Superman can't die, but he can be incapped-he is physically impervious and invulnerable, but that doesn't mean someone about as strong as him can't hurt him. He does have a force field (which explains why his costume is never destroyed) and can dodge attacks, but he is nowhere near the power level Jesse James is describing him as (who is trying to get him DQed)
Originally posted by green_knight
You can interpret how I sound however you want, especially if you point out that the situation isn't desperate. But I watched those old Hulk movies, and loved 'em.
As for desperate, there's the people trying to get Superman banned from the tournament, the people saying Hulk can hold his breath for long amounts of time, when we saw in the movie that he can't. Its like arguing Supes is immune to kryptonite, despite the fact that we saw it affect him in the movie.
The TV movie, and modern movie Hulks are clearly different
versions. Different origins, stories, and power levels.
Stating that they should be compatible for the purposes of
this tournaments makes very little sense.
Not having held your breath at the right time is not a hard
and fast weakness. It is also something that you can learn
from experience to avoid doing.
If Superman can learn to be immune to Kryptonite, or is only
vulnerable when he has recently exhaled then your analogy
would be more accurate.
JokersWild
08/30/2004, 15:54
Does anyone realize that Beetle Juice took out Zod? If the Mask and BJ make it to round 2 and don't annihilate each other, they have a a VERY good chance of taking out Superman. Will godzilla or Kraken or Supergirl or Talos or Agent Smith...no. But Mask and BJ are the ones who can do it.
And in all honesty, Supes is the best there is at what he does. WHat makes him a hero and not over lord supreme is his conscience. He has all those powers and chooses to use them in moderation and not turn every villain into pudding.
good lord.
not two days ago, my scenario was being called desperate.
now people are calling for superman to be disqualified because it's *too effective*.
not my fault hulk pulled superman in an outdoor terrain.
would this tactic have worked in the space station?
not a chance.
this isn't the first time someone has won mainly due to the terrain pull.
imotehp.
was he disqualified simply because he pulled the desert?
no.
i argued *against* superman being included in this toc.
quit crying just because someone figured out a way for big blue to beat hulk.
the only reason beetlejuice was allowed was because his weakness was *supposed* to be easy to exploit.
turns out it's not.
if beetlejuice can stop anyone from saying his name at any time (the **only** way to beat him).... should he be disqualified?
Ignatz_Mouse
08/30/2004, 17:31
Personally, I think Zod should have the drop on 'juice, but people don't see it that way. I don't like how super-speed is regularly ignored by folks.
VandalSavage
08/30/2004, 17:37
Originally posted by NotYou
This is just plain ignorant.
The circumstances in the movie were different to those here.
This has been gone over and over and over.
I'm going to assume it is deliberate and not bother reading
any more of your blind ranting.
They have been covered by HULK voters...I here Supes can't travel near as fast on Earth than around it...Why...Whay because Hulk Supporters say so...He has a 25 mile circle to travel in...he does this at SUPER SPEEDS and SUPER REACTION TIMES....A shorter distance that is in a CIRCLE....Not a square with hair pin turns...And as far as the Ignorant statement...I have read many of your posts on several tourneys and you are the one who seems to be " Out of Touch"..
By the way..He travels 700,000 Million Miles an Hour....
Mr. Savage
Originally posted by VandalSavage
They have been covered by HULK voters...I here Supes can't travel near as fast on Earth than around it...Why...Whay because Hulk Supporters say so...
Well, based on the facts as shown in the films actually.
And as far as the Ignorant statement...I have read many of your posts on several tourneys and you are the one who seems to be " Out of Touch"..
Unsurprisingly, the thought of my opinions being in opposition
to yours, does not concern me in the least.
I am in fact vaguely relieved.
VandalSavage
08/30/2004, 17:44
Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
Personally, I think Zod should have the drop on 'juice, but people don't see it that way. I don't like how super-speed is regularly ignored by folks.
Exactly....It's just crazy how most voters cannot comprehend the speeds that are being used some of the opponents.
Mr. Savage
VandalSavage
08/30/2004, 17:47
Well, based on the facts as shown in the films actually.
There is no FACT in the films about that at all...Just because he is shown going SLOWER in one scene does not mean he cannot go his fastest at all times...He just does not...I walk most everywhere I go, that however does not mean I cannot run or walk faster everywhere.
Unsurprisingly, the thought of my opinions being in opposition
to yours, does not concern me in the least.
I am in fact vaguely relieved.
Ditto!!
Mr. Savage
Originally posted by VandalSavage
By the way..He travels 700,000 Million Miles an Hour....
Mr. Savage
So you are saying then that Superman can fly faster than the speed of light? I thought that was physically impossible, at least without the speedforce in DC. Because that number you keep quoting is much faster than the speed of light in one hour.
VandalSavage
08/30/2004, 23:32
Originally posted by LDK
So you are saying then that Superman can fly faster than the speed of light? I thought that was physically impossible, at least without the speedforce in DC. Because that number you keep quoting is much faster than the speed of light in one hour.
Actually I am not saying that, earlier post I stated slightly less than 700,000 Million Miles per hour...which is less than the speed of light...We are also not talking DC..We are talking the Movie...And he Changed the course of time, which I believe would be faster than the speed of light, but I was merely using a lower number to scale it down;)
Mr. Savage
VandalSavage
08/30/2004, 23:35
Originally posted by LDK
Because that number you keep quoting is much faster than the speed of light in one hour.
And just to be clear.. Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second or 700 million miles an hour.
Mr. Savage
JesseJames
08/30/2004, 23:50
Originally posted by jedah_s
good lord.
not two days ago, my scenario was being called desperate.
now people are calling for superman to be disqualified because it's *too effective*.
not my fault hulk pulled superman in an outdoor terrain.
would this tactic have worked in the space station?
not a chance.
this isn't the first time someone has won mainly due to the terrain pull.
imotehp.
was he disqualified simply because he pulled the desert?
no.
i argued *against* superman being included in this toc.
quit crying just because someone figured out a way for big blue to beat hulk.
the only reason beetlejuice was allowed was because his weakness was *supposed* to be easy to exploit.
turns out it's not.
if beetlejuice can stop anyone from saying his name at any time (the **only** way to beat him).... should he be disqualified?
Beetle Juice has to be near you. Superman can say his name 6 times super fast at the start.
Now...
Supes is just gonna run everybody over. Hes gonna use his vast 4532432423465 mile hour super speed.
and punch someone in the face 2 seconds in to everymatch.
Vs The Mummy.
roars accross the area, 34 time in .6 seconds and cuts the mummy into quarters. And vaporizes the left overs with breath, or lazer vision
Its gonna be the same #### thing everymatch.
I hate you Superman...burn...BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:p
Superman - 39 votes
Hulk - 33 votes
aZrealmusik
08/31/2004, 01:12
My earlier statements were more or less sarcastic. My point was that the pro-Superman arguments (some of them were good and acceptable) put him at a level such that he CANNOT be beaten if he would just exert himself. Even if BJ beat Zod, I think it is due to Zod's arrogance in not saying his name 6x at super speeds. Supes will be glad to end a bout w/o violence. He can also use that speed to remove the mask before anything really gets going. I apolagize for pissing everybody off being all anti-Supes. And by the way, I never said he didn't have creative stories, I said he HIMSELF was hard to root for. I have collected and read every issues of The Savage Dragon. I love the comic. However, I think the Dragon is a stale jerk. I still love the book, I just don't like the character (and my "love to hate him" attitude is probably what keeps me buying). Same can be said for the Ultimates, who are all pomous, self-absorbed jerks with the exceptions of Banner, Cap, and maybe Thor (and that's a d*mn good read, too). What did it in for me was when he and Doomsday fought it out to the "death," yet he trashed Doomsday in one of the rematches b/c he "took it easy on him' the first time. I don't like Supes, I'm sorry if that bothers you. If hypersonic speeds and the falling incap are going to fly, then I will #### it up and do the inevitable:
I am changing my vote to Superman.
There. I said it. However, I still see him easily winning this whole thing, which is why I wanted him moved into the next weight class. I hope that clears things up.
JesseJames
08/31/2004, 01:23
I totaly agree.
Supes can just whoop on everybody with that Superspeed, and Super reflexes.
All he has to do is fly across the arena super fast and poke the other guy in the face.
Or fly "through" the other guy, millions of times in .2 seconds.
Hes to powerful
Dr.H.Quinn
08/31/2004, 10:25
See, now some of your are gonna vote for Superman to prove your point. HE CAN BE BEATEN. In fact, if it comes down to Mask or Betelgeuse vs. Superman, I am gonna have to give it to Mask or Betelgeuse. Or Yoda? If Yoda holds Superman in place with the force (could he do that?), that might incap him for 10 seconds.
Man...I guess I am just tired of hearing all this anti-Superman "Superman is borken" whining. Its Firelord ALL OVER AGAIN!!! (the doctor runs screaming from her office....)
Originally posted by VandalSavage
And just to be clear.. Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second or 700 million miles an hour.
Mr. Savage
186,000 x 60sec = 11,160,000 miles per minute.
11,160,000 x 60min = 669,600,000 miles per hour.
That is the actual speed of light per hour, you were off by 31,000,000 miles per hour. Thats not exactly a number to sneeze at to be off by. :)
Originally posted by JesseJames
I totaly agree.
Supes can just whoop on everybody with that Superspeed, and Super reflexes.
All he has to do is fly across the arena super fast and poke the other guy in the face.
Or fly "through" the other guy, millions of times in .2 seconds.
Hes to powerful
MOVIE Superman never battled anyone of anything like this, so in character, I think hes fine as a High End SHW.
Superman tends to push through a round or two with superspeed stuff before people get tired of it and note that it isn't in character at all, he hasn't won a tournament yet with it (although this is the third he's been in, maybe third times the charm).
green_knight
08/31/2004, 13:36
Originally posted by LDK
186,000 x 60sec = 11,160,000 miles per minute.
11,160,000 x 60min = 669,600,000 miles per hour.
That is the actual speed of light per hour, you were off by 31,000,000 miles per hour. Thats not exactly a number to sneeze at to be off by. :)
So Hulk doesn't even travel 1/10000 of the speed Mr Savage was incorrect by when estimating Supes's speed. Does this make anyone else wonder how Hulk is getting so much faith in his ability to hit Supes?
Weapon Zero
08/31/2004, 14:10
I'm going to school in a coulple weeks here where I have to deal with numbers. This is giving me a headache.
Originally posted by green_knight
So Hulk doesn't even travel 1/10000 of the speed Mr Savage was incorrect by when estimating Supes's speed. Does this make anyone else wonder how Hulk is getting so much faith in his ability to hit Supes?
Never said Hulk moved anywhere near Superman speed but in the movies Supes never really fought with super speed. Yeah he can fly that fast but he doesn't fight that way.
Prof. Aragorn
08/31/2004, 14:53
Originally posted by LDK
Never said Hulk moved anywhere near Superman speed but in the movies Supes never really fought with super speed. Yeah he can fly that fast but he doesn't fight that way.
True, I see Superman using his "super memory" to figure out a way to stop Hulk without killing or hurting him. He'll remember that Hulk passed out on the jet high up-so he'll use superspeed to catch Hulk and hold him high in the air. He is pretty impervious to Hulk's not quite mad strength who gets in a few shots while's holding him up. This will exert a lot of strength and energy out of the Hulk and Superman will take some damage eventually-but then he let's Hulk fall if it gets too much and Hulk will eventually pass out when he falls 25 miles.
you know, if i had known it would cause so much kvetching and moaning i never would have come up with the scenario in the first place.
Well then just run around your PC until you turn back time.
;)
nah, that'll just make hulk madder.
gladiator1518
08/31/2004, 16:40
:laugh: :p
VandalSavage
08/31/2004, 16:55
Originally posted by LDK
186,000 x 60sec = 11,160,000 miles per minute.
11,160,000 x 60min = 669,600,000 miles per hour.
That is the actual speed of light per hour, you were off by 31,000,000 miles per hour. Thats not exactly a number to sneeze at to be off by. :)
Actually the Web Site I copied that from is off...But I doubt it's OFF, it's just they rounded up...Not as precise as a Stormtrooper's Blaster;)
Ok...So Supes can Travel slightly under 669,600,000 miles per hour...Of course, since he was changing the course of time, I'm sure it's faster than that...
Mr. Savage
Prof. Aragorn
08/31/2004, 17:17
Superman hovers high above the apocalyptic city thinking. He reviews the movie he was uploaded with of his opponent trying to figure out a way to stop him. Sudenly his "Super Memory" recalls the scene where Hulk passes out from being too high up battling a fighter jet.
Of course, that's it!
Meanwhile we join the Hulk...
HULK SMASH PUNY KITTY! HULK BASH BLUE BOYSCOUT! HULK MASH! ARRGGH! WAIT? WHERE HULK? HULK JUST HELPING OUT PEOPLE WHEN BAD MEN KEEP HIM FROM HEALING PEOPLE. MEN MAKE HULK ANGRY. MEN NOT LIKE HULK WHEN HULK ANGRY! RAAAGGHHH!
Immediately, moving faster than a speeding bullet (well, moreso the speed of sound), the Amazing Superman flies and pulls at Hulk's ankle flying upwards 25 miles up where he smacks into a forcefield.
Huh? Who put that ther-
Superman is cut off when the Hulk leaps on him and begins to pound his head in with rage on.
HULK SMASH! HULK BASH! HULK MASH! RAAGGHH!
Cut it out! That tickles-ooh...OW! Stop that now!
The Hulk's furious state begins to pick up and the blows Hulk creates begin dents in the face of the powerhouse. Superman can no longer contain the beast and drops him. Hulk begins to free fall reaching the state of terminal velocity-in a virtual vaccumm. Hulk can no longer find the oxygen he needs to operate and passes out. As he finally reaches the ground and makes a huge thud-Superman is already on to the next bout and Hulk is transported back to the jungle.
Rokk_Krinn
08/31/2004, 23:48
Y'know, just because we never saw an upper limit to Hulk's strength it doesn't mean it exists. We could just as easily argue, "Well, we never saw a limit to the power generated by Superman's heat vision - so it has no limit."
That being said, I think the versatility and intelligence - Superman from the movies was essentially "super-intelligent" - is going to be what tips things for Kal-El
Vote: The Big Blue Boyscout (aka: Superman)
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