Movie Battles: Mixed Team Tournament Of Champions: Round 1, Match 1

[DTM]

Welcome Everyone to the Next and Final installment of the Movie Tournament Of Champions. This time, weve taken a random mixture of ALL of our LWs, MWs, HWs and SHWs to form completely new and different 4 character teams. Which team will rise and which shall fall, that as always is up to you.

For the most part the rules here will be the same as all of my other battles and tournaments. Each character must fight their opponent, to the Death or KO, whichever is preferred. Characters of the same team will NOT be immune to anything their teammate does, BUT teammates are not allowed to purposely attack one another.

Also, each of the characters will have their opponent’s movies directly and instantaneously uploaded into their brains before each fight. (ala The Matrix) This will allow each character to know what the other can do, how they act, their strengths and weaknesses, etc. (This also eliminates any character around before the birth of guns and explosives being slaughters by such characters, due to not knowing what the heck that little metal object in Han Solos or Ashs hands is.)

All the combatants will start 25 miles apart, each at the opposite ends of their environment, unable to see the other combatant at the battles start. They will have a 10 minute planning session, during which time none of them may leave their starting area or use their powers outside this area.

REMEMBER, these characters should be judged and voted on ONLY due to what they’ve done in the MOVIES. Any comic books, TV shows, cartoons, anything else regarding these characters DOES NOT MATTER, and SHOULD NOT be used to defend such character.

And Please, try to vote on what the characters can and cant do, over someone from your favorite movie. Thanks all.

I believe everything else is normal TOC rules and regulations.

So without further adieu, allow me to present your first battle in a BRAND NEW type of Tournament Of Champions:


TEAM YODA - Cloned Ripley – Lestat – Shelob – Yoda


VS.


TEAM GANDALF THE WHITE - John Rambo – Selene – Nomak - Gandalf The White


As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them OR routinely used in their films, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.

Randomly Chosen Area:


Industrial/Military Complex - A vast network of highrise office buildings and machine floors. Large rail-yard full of cargo, trains, and loading equipment dominates one side (inspired by Enemy at the Gates, Blade Runner)


Thanks all, and enjoy.

And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.

ALSO, please do your best to respect everyones votes, reasonings and opinions here. If you believe your character should win, but doesnt in the end, dont hold grudges against the character that beat yours, or call the votes that allowed this to happen "fanboy" arguments or plain and simply wrong. We all have our own way of thinking and voting here, with each one of our thoughts and ideas as valid as your own. Lets do what we can, even in the heat of an argument, to respect that. Thanks.


MOVIE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS PART 5


ROUND 1

Team Yoda vs. Team Gandalf The White: ??????

[donnie72191]

1st post!!!!!

team yoda wins dis 1

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I think team Yoda, but I need to know more about Selene and Nomak. Who are they?

[DTM]

Selen was the main character in Underworld, and Nomak was the super vampire in Blade 2.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Ah, OK.

Quite the vasmpire fest!

I think that Team Yoda wins. The lesser tier characters suggest a Team Galdalf win, but I see Yoda mopping up pretty heavily on Galdalf, then pitching in to turn the tide.

Team Yoda for the win.

[Canada Maestro]

I can see Gandalf holding off Yoda just long enough for the rest of his team to finish off the others. At that point, I would put it 3.25 (Rambo being almost dead) against one. And I think Rambo and Selene can provide enough of a distraction as both must have some sort of weaponry (or Rambo is pretty good at improvising) for Nomak and Gandalf to get the shots in to take Yoda down.

I gotta go with team Gandalf in a nail biter. Do I need to give any more reasoning behind it?

[Magnito]

I'm also going with team Yoda. I see ripley being a problem for team Gandalf. 2 Vamps vs. Acid Blood. Yoda is a very good SHW, and could take out Gandalf and Rambo. With the Acid Blood, I see Ripley beating Selene. And that leaves Lestat and the spider to take out Nomek.

[Canada Maestro]

Sorry, I only saw portions of Underworld but from what I saw, Selene's primary weapons were her guns. She does have those, correct?

[hail_eris]

I'm going to go with Team Gandalf. Rambo trumps Ripley (his "routinely carry" loadout is going to be pretty massive). Selene and Lestat should cancel each other out pretty well (although she's packing heat, he can fly) - I see the fight between the two of them lasting pretty long, with Nomak and Rambo eventually heading over to lend a hand (with Rambo's bow making a big difference - hello heart shot!). Shelob will take to the sewers under the complex, but the second she surfaces, Gandalf will turn on his glow stick. As soon as that happens, the LW and MW artillery will open up on her. If a halfling can incap her with a short sword, an M-60 ought to play merry hell with her. Which leaves our SHW match-up. Yoda might outclass Gandalf one-on-one, but he's fighting Gandalf's whole remaining team here. Nomak is an extremely fast ubervamp, Selene should still have some ammo left, and Rocky's still lugging a squad-level machine gun and a bow with explosive arrows. What starts as a magic vs. Force, TK vs. TK, lightsaber vs. staff battle between the two team leaders will degenerate into a fish in a barrel scenario. Yoda will end up surrounded, with Nomak and Selene feeding on his little Muppet body. Team Gandalf to advance.

[SpakSpang]

I have to vote Team Gandalf. Here is why. I think Gandalf will be able to be quite evenly matched for awhile against Yoda. Gandalf's magic will counter many of Yoda's Jedi tricks and the battle will be an interesting and long battle. Both are capable fighters in hand to hand combat.

However, Team Gandalf has the stronger secondary lineup. Most important being the Heavy weight contest. Shelob is not going to be able to take Nomak in this contest.

After a short fight against the Spider this leaves Nomak and Selena fighting Lestat and Cloned Ripley.

Well no correction. John Rambo with his arsenal is going to tear into Cloned Ripley whom wasn't big on using weapons in her movie. The Vampires will know about her acid blood and will not attack her that way.

By this time I think Gandalf will have fallen, but I don't care how good Yoda is. He ain't taken the battle against 3 foes. Specially when you add Rambos weapons to the equation.

Another thought is Gandalf will take Shelob out first then go after Yoda. Gandalf's team would easily be able to hold off Yoda for that Shelob battle.

[lukebuchanan]

This is friggin' awesome!!! I will have much fun participating in this tourney.

The way I see it, team Gandalf is a lock. There's not much that Shelob can do against Rambo. Or Ripley for that matter. That guy's a beast second on to John Matrix (God help the team that go against him!). An expert strategist and all around utility killer. He'll eat things that make a Billy Goat puke! That includes giant Spiders and chicks who generally don't care what's going on. Remember, Ripley is just as vulnerable as a regular human, but with acid blood and ehanced strength.

I don't know what a Nomak is, but since Selene is a Vampire warrior I guessing she'll take Lestat fairly easily. He's not a trained soldier like her.

That leaves Gadalf and whatever help Nomak can give after Rambo helps secure the weaker two. And I'll take the Magic of Gandalf the White over the Force. It's too unpredictable.

Again, I cannot wait to see what teams you all have Tron and John Matrix on!

TEAM GANDALF TO ADVANCE

[lukebuchanan]

Originally posted by donnie72191
1st post!!!!!

team yoda wins dis 1

And if ever there was a vote that should not be counted this is it.........:cheeky:

[discombobulous]

I'm giving this one to team Yoda. Yoda himself will be more than a challenge for Gandalf here, and Lestat is one of the mightiest vampires to be found. Add that to the impressive Shelob and Ripley is almost a non factor in this massive battle.


*ugh...I had to vote for a team with a spider on it...*

[King]

Team yoda is pretty good. But I think team gandalf can win. His superior magic abilites will grant his team with excelent defence. (force field)
I see it like this
Rambow VS Ripley-shes gone, hes born to kill, and bullets and explosives are great at killing aliens.
Now since ripley is dead
rambow can help kill other people, yoda can be killed by bullets, so there is a chance there.... not much but a chance.
Anyway, Nomek is an advanced vampire killer. He should take down lestat.
Gandalf should beat yoda with all the magic power he has.
Im not too sure who Shelob is, a spider?, but odds are, Nomek Gandalf and Rambow could take her down with little ease.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I think teamj Yoda, mainly because I don't see Gandalf lasting for more than a minute against Yoda. Whereupone he props up his teammates.

[lukebuchanan]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
I think teamj Yoda, mainly because I don't see Gandalf lasting for more than a minute against Yoda. Whereupone he props up his teammates.

You said this in an earlier post...........why does Yoda waste Gandalf with such ease?

[DTM]

Im voting Team Yoda.

I think Lestat can use his wits and vampiric powers to more than handle Selene, especially in this hide and seek arena.

While I do think Rambo would eventually take down Cloned Ripley, it WONT be easy. She was Very smart and cunning as a human, and even more savage, animalistic and much more powerful now.

Im also not writing off Shelob at all to take Nomak, personally. She isnt just some giant spider, she has great intellect and cunning, which I see helping her hold her own at least long enough for Yoda to KO Gandalf.

Which I think he will. If Yodas mastery of the force cancels out Gandalfs mastery of magic, I see Yodas fighting speed and style being able to handle Gandalfs.

In the end, a Very Close Match, which is why I choose it first here, but Im siding with Team Yoda for the win.

[DTM]

Originally posted by donnie72191
1st post!!!!!

team yoda wins dis 1

Sorry donnie, cant count this vote until I get a proper reason as to WHY from you. As soon as you give me one, your vote will be counted.

[Perfectstorm]

Team Gandalf

This onw is a very messed up way to prove that some lighter weights are better suited agaisnt higher classes based on weakness. Nomak Hunts vampires and a Half Vampire who knew everyone of his weakness still barly beat him, and Blade has been hunting since he was born. So I see Nomak tearing apart Lestat. I know LeStat is a high end vampire, but this is normal not queen of the ####ed, so he is going to get his heart ripped out.
Rambo and Selene are going to slaughter Ripley and Shelob in a big ranged advatage. Ripley isnt bulletproof and while stronger and has acid blood, isnt particulalry that much quicker, so selene should be able to take her out from range before Acid Blood becomes a factor. And Rambo is a walking arsenal, and that is Shelobs worst nightmare. While he lacks raw strength and power, he makes up for it with range and a hell of a Bow and Arrow.
Yoda vs Gandalf could go anyway, but I say Gandalf could probally cuase the lightsbaer to stop working forcing a strait TK vs TK match, and once the rest of the team gets there, this is to much for even Yoda to handle

[thugit]

Team Gandlalf.

I'll take the magic of Gandalf over the force of Yoda anyday.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Originally posted by lukebuchanan
You said this in an earlier post...........why does Yoda waste Gandalf with such ease?

Speed, mainly. The little guy fights w/the force, so he actually anticpats blows before they land. I think that's going to allow him to mop up Gandalf. And I figure the Force as an effective counter against the sort of magic we saw Saroman/Gandalf duel with.


And I prefer LoTR to SW by a long shot. I just don't see Gandalf able to take the l'il fella, or even hold him at bay.

[King]

I vote team gandalf, im not sure if you counted my vote earlyer, i didnt actually say it.

[lukebuchanan]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
Speed, mainly. The little guy fights w/the force, so he actually anticpats blows before they land. I think that's going to allow him to mop up Gandalf. And I figure the Force as an effective counter against the sort of magic we saw Saroman/Gandalf duel with.


And I prefer LoTR to SW by a long shot. I just don't see Gandalf able to take the l'il fella, or even hold him at bay.

Cool. That's a good reason, but Gandalf doesn't have to be fast. He can just put up a shield (Balrog couldn't get through) and then blind Yoda. After that it's a visit with very heavy machinery courtesy of John Rambo.

TEAM GANDALF SHALL PREVAIL!!!!!

[Firebrand32]

I think Gandalf's magic offsets any advantage Yoda's team may have early on. Then its a war of attrition and eventually Gandalf wins. Plus Rambo blows a lot of them away.

[DTM]

Team Gandalf - 8 votes
Team Yoda - 4 votes

[Maniac_nmt]

Team Gandalf, Nomek will tear through Yoda's helpers, Rambo will ace cloned Ripley.

I rather think it works out fine as such

Rambo vs Ripley (which Rambo will take in a cakewalk)
Selene vs Shelob (yeah, that's right, the middle vs the heavy)
Nomak vs Lestat (another cakewalk, remember, Nomak is a super vampire, who eats other vampires to survive)
Gandalf vs Yoda (Yoda says he's not strong enough in the force to live forever, Gandalf is strong enough with his to self resurrect himself, after living for thousands of years).

Rambo and Nomak will make quick work of their foes, letting them help Selene (who would still win that fight by her self, but it'd take a while), or help Gandalf who is older, wiser, and more experienced then Yoda.

Plus the terrain helps, more to Team Gandalf has been exposed to this sort of terrain then team Yoda.

[thedon99]

Gandalf and Yoda are about even in my book. Gandalf's tk seems to be more potent, but Yoda has the definite advantage h2h, speed not to mention his lightsaber.
Selene would take Lestat. She has special bullets made to kill vampires, so if she hits him he's done. She displayed remarkable marksmanship so I think she could.
Nomak would take Shelob. Sam killed Shelob, can he take Nomak? No.
Rambo would take cloned Ripley unless she could get near him, and I don't see that being possible. They all would then gang up on Yoda, and team Gandalf wins.
I hope the Emperor gets a good squad so the Sith Master gets some redemption.

[DTM]

Originally posted by thedon99
Gandalf and Yoda are about even in my book. Gandalf's tk seems to be more potent, but Yoda has the definite advantage h2h, speed not to mention his lightsaber.
Selene would take Lestat. She has special bullets made to kill vampires, so if she hits him he's done. She displayed remarkable marksmanship so I think she could.
Nomak would take Shelob. Sam killed Shelob, can he take Nomak? No.
Rambo would take cloned Ripley unless she could get near him, and I don't see that being possible. They all would then gang up on Yoda, and team Gandalf wins.
I hope the Emperor gets a good squad so the Sith Master gets some redemption.

Actually Selene doesnt have special bullets to kill vampires, as she is a vampire and hunted Werewolves.

Sam didnt kill Shelob, he just drove her off, and he did have a special elven light which obviously drove Shelob away. Nomak doesnt have this.

[thedon99]

So what. Sam pretty much gutted her, and my point is that he couldn't and wouldn't do that to Nomak, period. And, Selene diid shoot vampires with her guns and they seemed to put them down.

[DTM]

Didnt say bullets wouldnt hurt vampires, just said she doesnt have bullets equipped to kill vamps in a single shot, as she was a vampire and hunted Werewolves.

And Sam had a magical elven weapon that hurt Shelob, Nomak doesnt.

[thedon99]

And Nomak would kill Sam in two seconds flat. I understand about the weapon, but it still says bad things for Shelob when a fat hobbit is able to hold you off and severely hurt you, elven weapom or not.
Okay, even if they weren't special bullets, they were modified, because I don't see a vampire going down from one shot of a regular bullet.

[hail_eris]

Lestat is also a much more powerful vampire than Selene is. He can fly and has super speed. As near as I can tell, Selene's only real power is that she has sexy goth girl club boots that allow her to jump down from very high places with no ill effects. She's got guns, though, and Lestat doesn't really have any ranged tricks up his poofy sleeves. She'll slow him down, and that'll be enough for Rambo to, well, go Rambo on him, or for Nomak to swoop in for some dinner.

[SpakSpang]

The questions I have is how long will Gandalf last against Yoda.

I have Gandalf going down...eventually. But it is going to be a hard battle.

While Gandalfs team is going to have a pretty easy battle.

I don't see Namak wasting time on a Spider. Instead I see him going after Lestat first thing. He will take Lestat very quickly.

Now Rambo I see going hunting for the Spider. Why? I just see him being really freaked by the Spider and the danger it poses. Also the Spider is just a great hunt for John...and he will win.

Now the two enhanced chicks face off, and I don't think Ripley will have ranged weapons which pushes the favor to Selena.

These battles will be fast and will end with relatively little stress for the combatants.

However, Yoda is going to be exhausted from his win with Gandalf.

In the end, I don't see Yoda being able to take the rest of Gandalfs team.

2 Vampires that must be beheaded, 2 long range weapon wielders that can't be reflected back as a weapon, and one regenerating monster Vampire, hmmm....yeah we know how is going to win.

This is my second means of how this team can best Yodas. Can Yodas team win?

Yes. If Yoda went first for all of Gandalfs team and is able to avoid directly fighting him till the end, but I don't see that as Yodas style. Nor do I think Team Gandalf would allow that.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I can't see anybody actually shooting Lestat. Too fast for that sort of thing.

[SpakSpang]

DTM: By the way I am glad to see you back in voting. You were always very good at arguing your side, and disecting others sides. Which makes it fun. So far it is seems this contest is Yoda verse all. Which leads another question, could this actually be an advantage for Yoda? If everyone doubt the threats of the other characters to go after Yoda would that open a window for another character to strike?

[thedon99]

I'm not saying she could repeatedly hit him at her every whim, but I think she could get the jump on him and tag him a couple of times. A lot of vampires get killed in Underworld, and some are very powerful, but somehow she survives. Plus, she cut off Victor's head, who I believe would eat Lestat for lunch. Granted, it wasn't straight up how she did it, but she did. I don't think people give her enough credit. We'll see more about her in the next Underworld. ####, is she sexy though.

[SpakSpang]

hail_eris: Lestat is more powerful than Selene, but I don't think he is anywhere near Nomak level. Whom I think he will be fighting while Selene goes after Ripley or the Spider.

You know people do not have to go after their required weight class first.

[thedon99]

Oh, and I am too glad that DTM is voting again.

[hail_eris]

Originally posted by SpakSpang
hail_eris: Lestat is more powerful than Selene, but I don't think he is anywhere near Nomak level. Whom I think he will be fighting while Selene goes after Ripley or the Spider.

You know people do not have to go after their required weight class first.
Oh, I know - I'm arguing for a combined arms attack from Gandalf's team, after all. It just seemed like Lestat was getting a little underestimated there. However, it should be remembered that, in the movie, Lestat gets incapped by a devious nine-year-old with a straight razor. Which, I think is actually worse than being beaten by a three-foot-tall gardener with a short sword.

[VandalSavage]

I'm going to have to go with Team Gandalf too...While I believe Yoda could beat Gandalf in a one on one...Here you have Gandalf's Team with a MUCH better lower 3 while Yoda got hammered with some of the weaker teammates other than Lestat, but between Rambo and Nomak...He falls....I see a Rambo, Nomak, Gandalf team taking Yoda after the dust settles.

I vote....Team Gandalf!!

Mr. Savage

[DTM]

Come now, that attack on Lestat was a trick from someone he trusted, it would have no such baring at all in an out and out battle such as this. Heck, everyone is saying Team Gandalf is going after their best people, but whats stopping Team Yoda from doing the same? Lestat would make short work of even Rambo, Ripley should be able to play cat and mouse with Selene for a long while, and Im still saying that with all the places to climb and make traps from her webbing, she can certainly battle Nomak on even grounds. Its not just Team Gandalf that gets to chose who they go after, but Team Yoda as well.

[OpalScion]

team gandalf

gandalf can tie up yoda long enough to get help from the rest of his team, who makes short order of yoda's helpers

[Maniac_nmt]

Nomak is vastly more powerful then Lestat though. He tore up blade pretty good considering Blade went to town on a vampire god. Nomak is superior in all ways (speed, strength, stamina, etc) to a vampire.

Having killed other vampires of signifigant pedigree and design (even ones trained to kill other vampires), he should make short work of Lestat.

Ripley or Shelob will get mowed down by Mr. I-can-destroy-armored-Hind-choppers-with-a-bow-and-arrow Rambo.

[Maniac_nmt]

plus, given Nomak's total hard-on for killing and feasting on Vampires, I really doubt Lestat is going to get to face off anyone but Nomak.

Nomak will want to go right for Lestat right from the get go and kill him.

[DTM]

So why would Lestat go after Nomak? Im not saying he is. People are acting as if Team Gandalf gets to pick who goes after who, and Team Yoda has to accept. Thats not the case.

[overseeker]

Great job, DTM, this new tournament sounds like a lot of fun and I really look forward to watching it unfold round by round. The way that I will handle these battles is by breaking them down into individual fights and then taking it from there.

Cloned Ripley vs. Selene

Winner: Selene. I don’t see Ripley’s acid blood coming into play. Selene will primarily be using her ranged weapons, specifically designed to take down the toughest werewolves, and should be able to take Ripley down with them as well. This will be a tough fight for her, but Selene will prevail.

Lestat vs. Nomak

Winner: Nomak. Nomak feeds off of other vampires and would consider Lestat a quick lunch. He is faster, stronger, and all-around better.

Shelob vs. John Rambo

Winner: John Rambo. With all his vast weaponry I think that he will slice her up in no time. I mean she’s tough, but can she really withstand an endless (Does he ever really run out?) hail of bullets?

Yoda vs. Gandalf the White

Winner: Yoda. People always talk about Gandalf’s superior magic. What movies were they watching? I didn’t see him do much in any of the films, except swing a mean staff. So I think that Yoda will be all over him before he knows what hit him.

Team Yoda vs. Team Gandalf the White

Winner: Team Gandalf the White. Unfortunately Yoda will find himself dodging a hundred bullets spraying all around him, while trying to mount a counterattack against his superior (in numbers) foes. The force is strong in this one, but not strong enough to prevent Selene, Nomak, and John Rambo from eventually getting in and finishing him off. Don’t get me wrong I think that he is capable of taking down the rest of Team Gandalf by himself, but I don’t think he will.

[Maniac_nmt]

I'm saying Lestat gets no choice in who he's fighting, he can try for one of the others, he's going to end up fighting Nomak pretty quick like. Nomak isn't going to give him the choice.

Rambo would probably beat Shelob with that M-60, or his super bow and arrow which would probably kill her in one shot (come on, a Hind is armored to take a lot more damage then a piddly little explosive arrow, yet he blew one up in one shot to the cockpit of all places).

Selene can fight either Shelob or Ripley, and Gandalf can handle any of them. Personally I think he'd even beat Yoda in a fight (it'd take him a while, and Yoda would give almost as good as he gets, but Gandalf will win that, his abilities are greater then Yoda's on the simple fact Yoda taps out at 900 with the force increasing his life span, Gandalf is thousands of years old, and can resurrect himself)

[dj_sha]

Hmmm, still using the same old "SHW vs. SHW with some cannon fodder on the side" version fo the team tournament DTM? Oh well. Not sure if I'll be checking this paticular tournament as frequently.

[DTM]

HA, the LW on Team Gandalf, Rambo, is making short work of Team Yodas HW here. So I hardly think hes cannon fodder, as he himself is almost turning the tida to his favor.

[hail_eris]

Originally posted by DTM
Come now, that attack on Lestat was a trick from someone he trusted, it would have no such baring at all in an out and out battle such as this.
Oh, I know. But a character's movie death is always trotted out for effect, whether to point out that they're inept or that they got a raw deal. And if Boba's killer backpack rates constant mention, then I think getting your throat cut by a fourth-grade Mary Jane should count for something (comedic value, if nothing else).

[Maniac_nmt]

blame that on lousy script writing for Rambo:laugh:

The movies aren't that good really, but anyone that can blow up a Hind like that should tear through anything that isn't invulnerable, or can block bullets

Yoda has a pretty crappy team to face Gandalf's team. Ripley isn't all that big a threat to any of Gandalf's guys, and neither is Shelob (since Rambo can shoot her from range, and turn her into swiss cheese, Selene can shoot her at range, and Nomak could slug it out and rip pieces of her off at will, and Gandalf can create light, which really hurts Shelob, plus has Glamdring to slice her to pieces).

Rambo can handle either Shelob or Ripley, and Selene can handle either as well.

It really hurts that Yoda has no ranged combat, to Gandalf's two (plus Gandalf, who I believe cast a fireball in the Hobbit, although I could be wrong, at the least he could create another of his dragon fireworks in this arena, and put team Yoda on the defensive quick like, or at least give the initiative to his team). Plus Gandalf also has a guy that pretty much rips up and spits out one of Yoda's guys (kind of like how Hellboy tore through some of his foes because he was designed and trained to kill/defeat them).

[SpakSpang]

DTM: I understand what you are saying. Ok. So lets say Team Yoda also goes against the people they choose.

It really hurts that 3 of the 4 people on Gandalfs team can easily take out the Heavy Weight.

Modern Weaponry will completely destroy Shelob.

The only person she has a chance of beating the Selene and that is because she isn't packing really heavy weaponry and her machine guns may not penetrate the exoskeleton...but that is a stretch.

So Shelob is really hurt in this battle because of the range combatants.

Now you have two vampires that understand vampire weaknesses and skills against one very strong vampire. Lestat. Those odds are completely against Lestat.

Lets be fair and give Ridley a weapon. Perhaps her famous Flame Thrower...sure she used it enough in her other films to allow it here. Even then Rambo is outgunning her, and he is a trained solider. This enviroment is like home to him.

Yoda is the real problem and threat. How long will magic last against him. I am willing to be not very long. But if its long enough and if Gandalfs team sticks together then they will be able to win.

[DTM]

Personally, I dont think killing Shelob is going to be as easy as point and shoot. I think with this much terrain around her, shes going to disappear, and strike when she wants to, on her terms. As for Ripley, I also think she is being severely underestimated here, and so is the terrain. This is 25 miles of military installation, filled with hundreds of places to hide or areas to block cover from fire. I seriously dont see range being a major factor here as there are plenty of places to go to to block from firearms, and when Rambo and Selen are out of weapons, Id say Ripley and Shelob will certainly take them down.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Rambo!

This is a very interesting first match. It is extremely close for either. If this was fight your weights equal and then fight whoever's left there'd probably only be Rambo, Lestat, and Nomek at a free for all with Yoda and Gandalf either KOing eachother or fighting a huge massive battle of wills and cool stuff like that. However, they are not and it depends on that ten minutes of prep:

Yoda, Shelob, Lestat, and Ripley won't work well together. Yoda will try to get the team to work together, but Ripley will not care, Lestat and Shelob might listen to what's planned, but I doubt it.

Gandalf the White, Nomek, Selene, and Rambo are going to work excellently. Gandalf has a natural charisma that might get all three of them interested-if anything Nomek will want to listen in to the plan.

The fight goes like this: Rambo sets up for his traps and armements, Nomek moves swiftly awaiting to fight the opposition while Selene will move out with Gandalf readying the light spell against Shelob. Yoda meditates, Lestat flies off and encounters Nomek, Shelob looks to go into dark corners and encounters Rambo eventually. Meanwhile Selene and Ripley meet near some mud (;) ). Nomek tears open Lestat's heart and eventually ends him. Selene and Ripley fight for a long time with Selene eventually winning out due to being undead and having a good ranged weapon. Rambo guts Shelob with an arrow and either snipes out Ripley or Lestat. Finally it's Yoda vs. the four usually at a weakened state. Yoda manages to incap Rambo, decap Selene and free Nomek. Finally it's Gandalf on Yoda...Yoda lost a lot of energy fighting off those three, but the meditating earlier rested him up for this fight. In the end Gandalf wins.

Vote: Rambo, Selene, Nomek, Gandalf

Cool fight DTM!

[SpakSpang]

DTM: Again I can understand that. Shelob is going to be able to hide.

But again we are dealing with a GIANT SPIDER.

Rambo is going to feel right at home sniping in this type of enviroment because he is suited for it. He will probably be able to hunt and take out the light weight and middle weight by himself...if he gets lucky.

But lets take ranged weapons out of the equation.

1)Rambo can and will take Ripley out. However the acid blood may or may not take him with her...but we will play the conservative and say it will. Ripley and Rambo are out.

Selene vs. Lestat. Everybody seems to be saying Lestat for the win. I will give him the close combat advantage, but this will be a long battle.

Namak vs. Shelob close combat no contest for Namak. He was shown doing incredible things to his opponents in the movie he is one scary guy.

In fact Namak should be able to beat the 3 besides Yoda no weapons by himself.

That leaves Gandalf and Yoda...you really can't do this battle without magic and force. Magic will eventually fail and Yoda will eventually win.

[DTM]

Cool story Professor.......think I might just change my vote to Team Gandalf.

While Yoda and Gandalf are very evenly matched, I now understand that Gandalfs team will work better together than Yodas, and in this TEAM TOC, thats one very important factor.

OK, you guys have convinced me. Sorry Yoda, your teammates arent up to your standards Im afraid. Switching my vote to TEAM Gandalf.

[Prof. Aragorn]

What happens if my opinion is wrong, DTM?:laugh:

[Laenan]

I think it's possible that Gandalf himself will actually go after Shelob. Knowing how dangerous she is, and all. Plus, he basically can use spells/his own sword to make short work of her.

IMO, then, we have

Ripley v. Rambo - Rambo, easily.

Selene v. Lestat - Stalemate at first, though I feel Lestat's speed will turn the tide for him.

While heading for Lestat, Yoda will intercept Nomek. I feel Yoda will defeat the Nom-ster

So, Lestat finishes off Selene, when out of nowhere, a machine gun blasts into his side, incapping him.

Elsewhere, Yoda and Gandalf are dueling Hand to Hand. Yoda is fast, but Gandalf's reflexes are high enough to keep this fight going for a LONG time. (Remember, he blocked Legolas's arrow fired about twenty feet from him, just after knocking away a thrown axe.) Gandalf can heat the metal lightsaber, it seems, but Yoda can probably cancel the effects of that with the force.

Once Rambo arrives, he won't fire into the H2H combat between Gandalf and Yoda. Remember, if he hits Gandalf, and not Yoda, Yoda will absolutely tear him up. So he'll sit there sipping tea. Or something.

The fight will likely go on for a while, but I'm going to say that, eventually, one of them makes a small, yet critical mistake. In ROTK, Gandalf turned his back on an invading Uruk army. Only Pippin kept him alive. Though you could say it was Pippin's fault he was turned around in the first place. Plot device? Maybe. But I feel that Gandalf and Yoda are both guardians first, warriors second. However, Yoda has noone left here to protect, while Gandalf does. The split focus between fighting Yoda, and keeping an eye on Rambo, will cost him the fight. (It could be argued that Gandalf will fight harder knowing that he has someone to protect, but I feel that in this case, it will end up being a liability more than a help.)

Winner: Team Yoda (This may change...)

[SpakSpang]

DTM: Just to play devils advocate. I don't think Team Gandalf will be very compatible either. I think they are still complimentary and strong but, I don't see John Rambo or Nomek really working with Gandalf.

While I do think that Selene will work with him very well.

So you can say those two will stay pretty close together, while Rambo and Nomek go out on their own. Perhaps they will go after a given target, but they will definately be working alone.

This may very well help Yoda's team. It just depends on how strong you think the characters are DTM.

But that is just a second opinon to help you decide for your team.

[Agent_X]

Good to see the return of the Team Tourney and the return of DTM to the ranks of the voting.

I see Team G taking this one. I don't think Rambo will necessarily WANT to work with Gandalf, but probably will at least hear him out. And Selene won't really have a problem with it either I don't think. Nomak probably won't have any of it, he will make it clear that Lestat is his and wait for the 10 minutes of prep to be over. Rambo will probably want to go after Ripley, but is she is content to hide, then he might switch his focus to helping Selene with Shelob. Shelob I don't think will have a particular problem with the idea of engaging Selene (or Selene and Rambo) as long as she can stay away from Gandalf. Yoda and Gandlaf will probabengage in reluctant combat and I feel that Gandalf can keep it a stalemate with Shielding spells and decent parries until the rest of his team finishes what they are doing. Nomak will probably takes 5 minutes tops dealing with Lestat. In the ned 3 or 4 Team G members can stop Yoda.

Gandalf's Merry Band to advance (And here is hoping Zod's team is as good his his).

[Laenan]

For everyone's information:

1. Ash – Blade - Gabe Law - Emperor Palpatine

2. Cloned Ripley – Lestat – Shelob – Yoda

3. Mad Max – Mongo - T-1000 - Julian Sands

4. The Bride – Robocop – Spinosaurus - The Blob

5. Indiana Jones - Spider-Man - Swamp Thing – Balroq

6. The Six Fingered Man - Roy Batty - Agent Smith – Talos

7. Scorpion King - Luke Skywalker - TX Terminator – Hulk

8. Boromir - Connor MacLeod - Darth Vader - Godzilla (American Version)

9. Maximus - Jason Vorhees – Spawn - Stay Puft Marshmallow Man

10. William Turner – Data - Mace Windu – Supergirl

11. Liu Kang - Alien Warrior – Profion – Sauruman

12. “Blondie” – Tron – King Kong - Jean Grey (Phoenix)

13. Shredder – Valek - Mr. Book - Albus Dumbledore

14. Riddick – Nightcrawler - T-Rex - John Murdoch

15. Aragorn – Predator - The Lord Marshall - Ivan Ooze

16. John MacClane - Bullet Proof Monk - Jason X - General Zod

17. Mad Martigan – Ginger - Mina Harker – Gamera

18. Van Helsing - Boba Fett – Treebeard - “Absorbing Man”

19. Leon – Trinity – Kane - “Dream World” Freddy Krueger

20. Remo Williams - Anakin Skywalker - Lord Zed - Draco The Dragon

21. Lee - T-800 Terminator – Storm – Serleena

22. Buddy - John Preston – Neo - Queen Bavmorda

23. Han Solo - Green Goblin - Gandalf The Grey – Imhotep

24. Zorro (Antonio Banderas) – “Real World” Freddy Krueger – Medusa - The Kraken

25. Lara Croft – Kurgan – Dracula – Beetlejuice

26. Captain Navarre – Wolverine - Darth Maul – Magneto

27. John Rambo – Selene – Nomak - Gandalf The White

28. Gregoire de Fronsac - Paul Atreides - Mr. Hyde - The Mask

29. John Matrix - Li Mu Bai - Alien Queen - Professor X

30. Connor MacManus – Legolas – Hellboy - Agent Smith

31. James Bond (Sean Connery) – Morpheus - The Witch King - Neo

32. Wesley - The Man In Black – Achilles - The Scorpion King (Monster) - Superman

[Grinner]

Originally posted by Laenan
For everyone's information:

And, to make it easier for everyone to keep track of, I'm also putting this information over on the index before the first match ;)

[Rokk_Krinn]

One thing that's surprising me is the number of people that believe with this environment Shelob will just waltz straight at the other side. This is a perfect environment for her to hunt in and her stealth will be a great advantage. Yeah, Sam did hurt her - I wouldn't say he gutted her, just surprised her (she hadn't been hurt in centuries from the sound of things) and chased her away - but he did have a few magical tools to help (and, hey, Sam may be a little pudger but he had the greatest heart in the whole trilogy). Besides. like I said, Sam also had a bonus of surprise on his side - thanks to the movie downloads, Gandalf's team won't have that.

Yoda is far superior to Gandalf as seen in the movies. Gandalf's abilities basically come down to some so-so TK (easily countered by Yoda), a light that's ideal for chasing down corrupted and evil beings (I don't think Yoda qualifies here) and the power to talk to animals (no comment). He's a decent swordsman (though he did look pretty freaked when those trolls burst through the gates in "Return of the King") but nowhere near spinning-death-mode-Yoda's ability.

People are talking like Selene is packing an alien arsenal but I thought she'd just be limited to her "plant form" powers here which would make her a bad match-up for Ripley. I could literally see Ripley bite her way through Selene (and if Ripley's skin gets punctured it would make Selene think she'd fallen into a vat of herbicide).

Nomak's victory over the half-human Blade isn't as impressive as people make it sound. Sorry.

All in all I'd have to say Yoda's team edges out Gandalf's group.

Vote: Team Yoda

[Rokk_Krinn]

Ignore my previous comments on Selene...I was thinking of the gal from Men in Black II. Sorry.

Nontheless, Selene from Underworld was barely MW material. She got mauled through half the movie.

[Magnito]

Something that no one has brought up yet is the fact the Shelob and Gandalf are from the same Univerce. Since he has probably heard of her, he will try to find her first. This lets Yoda kill Nomek and Rambo, or sneak up on Galdalf while he is playing hide and seek in the complex with the Spider. Selene vs. Lestat is a stalemate. Gandalf will find the spider and take her down, but now Yoda's team has the advantage.

[Goose]

Gonna go with team gandalf, him and yoda are both equally strong of will, so they are gonna be locked in their own combat for a little, and gandalf has a better secondary. Would be a great vampire slugfest, but im dont think yodas team can pull it off.


Vote: Gandalf and crew

[Agent_X]

Do teammates get to see each others movies DTM?

[Maniac_nmt]

well, look at how Yoda describes power in the force
"Master Yoda, you can't die."
"Strong am I in the force, but not that strong."

yet Gandalf lives for thousands of years, and resurrects himself after he dies. Not "I'll merge with the force and not really be able to do anything but talk to people", but "I'll get up and get going because there is still work to do."

His grim resolve and determination are at least equal to Yodas.

Nomak will listen, he'll go right for Lestat, and tear him a new one, but he'll listen, and be helpful once Lestat is done (and that could be as simple as base contact, pin Lestat for just a tiny bit, and bite him, Lestat's done right there, and Nomak is physically more then any vampire). Rambo will also at least listen, and given Gandalf's super charisma, he could probably even get guys who hate each other to work together okay.

If Shelob goes to ground, her team is going to get screwed even worse then if she's up trying to help.

Yoda is down 1 partner already, and when Nomak and Lestat tear it up, he'll be down two, vs Rambo, Selene, and Gandalf.

Gandalf can use several of his tricks to blind his foes, and give the initiative to his team (flare his staff, fireworks). Then heat Yoda's saber, and then they can get down to business.

If Shelob isn't in it to help out, Yoda's team will get overwhelmed and picked off faster.

[discombobulous]

I don't think Nomak can fly, which makes him goign for Lestat an advantage! Yes, you heard me right. The way I see it, Nomak will head straight for Lestat, who will fly away just fast enough to stay ahead and lure Nomak right into the Shelob and her waiting webs.

With Nomak taken care of (that sting will incap him for a while) Lestat will quickly dispatch of Selene and Rambo with the help of Ripley.

Though mighty, Gandalf the white will then have to face insurmountable odds alone.

[Rando]

I vote for Team Gandalf

I think Yoda could probably beat Gandalf, but Gandalf's team will decimate Yoda's. Rambo will kill the heck out of Ripley, Selene is like lestat only a killer, and Nomak would kill Shelob pretty quickly. Yoda's tough but I don't think he can contain all three of those guys.

[jedah_s]

i'll cast a vote for team gandalf.
rambo will own cloned ripley pretty quickly.
regardless of who goes after who, lestat was a pathetic vampire... selene or nomak will own him. leaving shelob, who's just a big spider... rambo could take shelob out.

while all this is going on, gandy and yoda will probably still be fighting.
then it'll go 4 on 1. yoda's good, but his team let him down.

[Magnito]

I think that Team Yoda should be called team underestimated. :ermm:

[jedah_s]

wow look out for team #29.
with some impressive close combat backup... watch out for professor x.
nice team.

[Agent_X]

12, 18, and 31 are looking pretty nice too.

[green_knight]

Originally posted by lukebuchanan
This is friggin' awesome!!! I will have much fun participating in this tourney.



I agree with you 1000%!!!!

The possibilites are utterly mind boggling! I just read the lists of teams and I am stunned. This is going to be amazing.

Well, here's the one factor I see making the biggest difference. Shelob. She can be immobilized for the entire battle with a single light spell, leaving the rest of her team high and dry to face a 4 on 3 beatdown. Yoda's team is good, but with an easily exploitable weakness that removes their much needed heavyweight from play, its too tough.

I vote for Team Gandalf.

[DTM]

Originally posted by Agent_X
Do teammates get to see each others movies DTM?

Yes, definately. Its not just the leader and his merry men here, each member of the team is equally important, and they all "see" all of their opponents films, magically downloaded into their brains at super speed, prior to the start of the 10 minute planning session.

EDIT: Oh wait, I got that question wrong. Teammates seeing there own teammates films....hmmmmm, Id say no, since they can easily share what they can do in the planning session, if they choose to. This is a way for each team to be alittle better prepared for what they are facing, no necessarily what is also on their side.

[DTM]

Team Yoda - 5 votes
Team Gandalf The White - 20 votes

Dont think your LW, MW and HW make a difference in the battles final outcome? That its all in the hands of the SHWs? Well, think again.

95% of us believe Yoda would take Gandalf, yet his team would be taken down (eventually) by Gandalfs, and thus Team Gandalf is winning by a fairly Huge margin. In this instance, and I see several others to come, its the lower level characters that are winning the day, not the SHW.

Anyone up for another one? Any team requests for the next match?

[Grinner]

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Yes, definately. Its not just the leader and his merry men here, each member of the team is equally important, and they all "see" all of their opponents films, magically downloaded into their brains at super speed, prior to the start of the 10 minute planning session.

EDIT: Oh wait, I got that question wrong. Teammates seeing there own teammates films....hmmmmm, Id say no, since they can easily share what they can do in the planning session, if they choose to. This is a way for each team to be alittle better prepared for what they are facing, no necessarily what is also on their side.

Won't this be a bit of a problem for some teams (yes, Team Blob, I'm looking right at you!)?

[DTM]

Well, any character that cant speak is pretty much just a giant monster, ala Godzilla, Gamera, Stay Puft, Talos, etc. So its pretty obvious what they can do. The Blob, eh, they see him eat the last remaining rabbit in the arena, he gets a tiny bit bigger, theyll get the idea. :)

[Prof. Aragorn]

5, 14, 15, and 25 are my picks for final four; 25 just might win it all. Though they would only ride on Dracula's coat tails...

[Prof. Aragorn]

Originally posted by DTM
Anyone up for another one? Any team requests for the next match?

Let Dracula eat up some losers (and Lara...that Angelena Jolie...:cheeky: )

[DTM]

"By your command"

(A shiny nickel for anyone who can tell me who routinely said this)

Dracula and crew it is.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Keep seeing folks saying that Gandalf's immortality versus Yoda's "joining of the Force" makes Gandalf a stronger individual and I just have to ask..

Does this mean Mr. Immortal is stronger than Thor (as the Norse gods are mortal in the end) ? :)

[The Charlatan]

Originally posted by DTM
"By your command"

(A shiny nickel for anyone who can tell me who routinely said this)


The Cylon commander, who was himself Baltar's servant, from the original Battlestar Galactica.

[DTM]

Yes, very good Charlatan, and Im pretty sure his name was Lucifer, if memory serves.

[MadHatter]

Lestat is far more impressive than Selene. Normal vamps in that universe show very little on the vamp power side, mostly climbing walls. Rambo is good, but not as nasty as everyone seems to think. Yoda should clean up on Gandalf the white with little problem, and have more than enough strength to aid his allies against Nomak.

[WakandaMan]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Keep seeing folks saying that Gandalf's immortality versus Yoda's "joining of the Force" makes Gandalf a stronger individual and I just have to ask..

Does this mean Mr. Immortal is stronger than Thor (as the Norse gods are mortal in the end) ? :)

Not stronger no....but I guess if they got into a fight, Mr. Immortal would win eventually, since Thor would die. ;) :p

Seriously though I agree with you Rokk Krin, but I'm still voting with Gandalf's team here, as the G-man should be able to use Glamdring and defensive spells (like the shield that he DID use in the movie) to hold Yoda off long enough for his team to take out Yoda's.

My vote: Team Gandalf.

Oh and on a side note...DTM, I'm shocked. You voted against a Star Wars character!? ;) (just ribbing ya. Hey, I had to vote FOR Bobba Fett in the other match). Actually, by mixing the teams up randomly like this, I think this team tournament is going to eliminate a lot of the fanboy influenced votes as people have to really think about who would beat who. Well except for Prof. Aragorn with Dracula :p
:grin:

[Maniac_nmt]

Originally posted by DTM
Team Yoda - 5 votes
Team Gandalf The White - 20 votes

Dont think your LW, MW and HW make a difference in the battles final outcome? That its all in the hands of the SHWs? Well, think again.

95% of us believe Yoda would take Gandalf, yet his team would be taken down (eventually) by Gandalfs, and thus Team Gandalf is winning by a fairly Huge margin. In this instance, and I see several others to come, its the lower level characters that are winning the day, not the SHW.

Anyone up for another one? Any team requests for the next match?

actually, given the subject medium, I rather expect the lights and mediums will help a lot more in these then in the Comic TOCs.

by and large, some of the lightweights have fought and killed Heavy or even Super Heavy people in their films. Some, like Blondie, will be murder on a team if they're not invulnerable, seeing as he can shoot at them from so far away they'll never see him (far enough away that guys like Smith and Neo won't know they're being shot at, and thus not dodge) with pin point accuracy.

I would go as far as to say there is a greater discrepancy between Comic Lights and SHW then movie lights and SHWs. Although we do get a literal Bat/Lantern team this round with Bond/Morpheus.

[Maniac_nmt]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Keep seeing folks saying that Gandalf's immortality versus Yoda's "joining of the Force" makes Gandalf a stronger individual and I just have to ask..

Does this mean Mr. Immortal is stronger than Thor (as the Norse gods are mortal in the end) ? :)

I'm just musing on the fact, that Yoda states about not being strong enough in the force to live forever (implying that length of life correlates to how strong a force connection you have), where as Gandalf is powerful enough to self resurrect after death (meaning a lot more hidden power that we don't see dirrectly displayed).

I was commenting on some who were saying Yoda was vastly more powerful. Just pointing out by Yoda's definition, he is less powerful then Gandalf.

[DTM]

Eh, not really. For all we know Gandalf is from a race of beings that normally live thousands of years, so him being thousands of years old would be normal for him.

Yoda, for all we know, could come from a race of beings that only live to be 3 or 4 hundred years, so him dying at 900 really shows his strength of will and mastery of the Force.

Basically, I call them very close to even overall, and while I gave Yoda the nod in his battle with Gandalf, I could certainly see it going the other way as well.

[DTM]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
by and large, some of the lightweights have fought and killed Heavy or even Super Heavy people in their films. Some, like Blondie, will be murder on a team if they're not invulnerable, seeing as he can shoot at them from so far away they'll never see him (far enough away that guys like Smith and Neo won't know they're being shot at, and thus not dodge) with pin point accuracy.

Maniac, you know I love ya, but I will NEVER believe that Agent Smith or Neo couldnt dodge a bullet from anyone, even Blondie. Sure hes the best gunfighter in this entire TOC, but his weapon of choice is way way outdated and an antique in this TOC. Hes great, but hes not coming close to hitting characters like Nightcralwer, SpiderMan, Neo, Smith, John Preston and just about anyone else who can routinely and does expertly dodge bullets in my mind.

[Maniac_nmt]

every time they dodge though, it's because they know they're being shot at. Spidey has spider sense to save him. The Jedi Sith have some sort of limited danger sense regarding projectile weapons to protect them (if 'Blondie' or Bond face them, I know I would put it into consideration, as either has shown to be a long range marksman, who is more then willing to shoot at unsuspecting targets, where as Matrix and Rambo tend to be up close when shooting people). Lacking an extra sensory ability to dodge bullets, I don't see bullet dodgers getting away from anything they can't see/hear.

When you can't see the rifle being shot, or hear it go off before you are hit you can't dodge it.

Anyways, it was meant more as an example. There are SHW and HWs that aren't bullet proof, or can be killed if you just really are that good. Wesley and Achillies, for example, are certainly skilled enough swordsman to put the hurt on SHW or HW that aren't immune to those items.

I'm merely getting at the fact that some of the HWs/SHWs etc are movie villians, and have been killed/incap'd by their lower weight class foes.

[DTM]

Definately, I think just these first two matches have shown how important and useful the "lower classes" of characters are here.

[VandalSavage]

Originally posted by DTM
Definately, I think just these first two matches have shown how important and useful the "lower classes" of characters are here.


I agree!!

Mr. Savage

[Q99]

I vote Gandalf. Overall, I think he has more competant team-mates. He can at the very least hold the green one off, and combined with his friend's bullets, they should pull the win.

[thedon99]

Lestat is better than Selene. She's not as weak as everyone thinks though. Was Victor in the movie tournament?

Dammit, Emperor Palpatine didn't get that good of a team. Blade is one of the better middleweights though, as I see him as a good heavyweight. He kills vampire gods, and absolutely destroys hundreds of vampires in his movies. Plus, all strengths no weaknesses, he's the man.

Gabe Law is pretty good, right? I've only seen the movie once. He was pretty impressive, but I would rather rely on others' knowledge.

[Nighthawk]

Team Gandalf, the supporting players are too much, as said before.

[Q99]

Gabe Law is pretty good, right? I've only seen the movie once. He was pretty impressive, but I would rather rely on others' knowledge.

Yea, he's highly skilled. He was an excellent fighter to begin with, and he only got better as Yu Law killed the others Laws, and of course he beat Yu Law.

Strength to punch down a metal telephone poll, enhanced speed, reflexes, and senses (as well as toughness), he's good.

[Q99]

13. Shredder – Valek - Mr. Book - Albus Dumbledore

Let me mention now this team rules. You have Shredder and Valek, two dangerous stealthy close-combat guys, then you have Mr. Book, speciality affecting large amounts of stuff, and Dumbledore speciality using a variety of quite effective spells against a single target.

Also,
22. Buddy - John Preston – Neo - Queen Bavmorda


I'm not sure how good they'll do, but in hand to hand, this is the single most skilled team out there (Buddy- really good, got eliminated quickly only because he faced Lee in the first round. Preston- Equilibrium guy, awesome skill. Neo- Duh). Plus they have magic backup, which isn't bad.

and
10. William Turner – Data - Mace Windu – Supergirl

A Jedi, a Trekker, a Pirate played by an elf, and Supergirl. I declare thee "Team Geek". Anyway, fairly nice team with Mace and Turner for close-in work, and Data's phaser is actually one of the most dangerous ranged weapons out there (Some people are complaining about the Oozelings in the Ivan match? Phaser, wide beam, problem gone). Plus Kryptonians are always nice.

[MSU]

Originally posted by DTM
Im voting Team Yoda.

I think Lestat can use his wits and vampiric powers to more than handle Selene, especially in this hide and seek arena.

While I do think Rambo would eventually take down Cloned Ripley, it WONT be easy. She was Very smart and cunning as a human, and even more savage, animalistic and much more powerful now.

Im also not writing off Shelob at all to take Nomak, personally. She isnt just some giant spider, she has great intellect and cunning, which I see helping her hold her own at least long enough for Yoda to KO Gandalf.

Which I think he will. If Yodas mastery of the force cancels out Gandalfs mastery of magic, I see Yodas fighting speed and style being able to handle Gandalfs.

In the end, a Very Close Match, which is why I choose it first here, but Im siding with Team Yoda for the win.

Second time today that I am agreeing with DTM...must be a full moon or something.... :laugh:

Team Yoda to advance, for reason above

[DTM]

DOH! Actually I changed by vote later on due to Yodas teammates being too little against Gandalfs. Yoda v Gandalf is one thing, but in this TEAM battle, I had to switch to Ganalfs better overall team.

[MSU]

I knew it! I couldn't agree with DTM more than once a day!! And all is well in the world again.... :p

[Silver Lantern]

I think people don't understand the power level of cloned ripley. She's essentially as strong and durable as an Alien, having their DNA. Her blood is also acidic. I think she can take Nomak, Selene, and Rambo all by herself. I think as great as Gandalf is, his team of stiffs won't help him at all. Yoda, Shelob, and Lestat are too much for Gandalf alone.
That Gandalf team is in serious need of some offense, I think the toughest guy there is their lightweight which is pretty sad.
I vote Team YODA!

[Agent_X]

If she was as toung and strong as a Xenomorph then she owuld be a MW. Is she better then a human? yea but you are giving her to MUCH credit. She couldn't hold off the LW, MW, and HW of the opposing team. I would be surprised if she could off Rambo alone. He is tricky and armed to the gills. Nomak would go straight for Lestat and make him a non-issue first of anyway, not get tied up by Ripley.

[DTM]

Ripley is NOT as strong as an Alien, she is a half human/half Alien hybrid. While I feel shes getting the shaft here by many, she is no way is taking out her opponents LW, MW and HW all by herself.

[LDK]

Originally posted by hail_eris
I'm going to go with Team Gandalf. Rambo trumps Ripley (his "routinely carry" loadout is going to be pretty massive). Selene and Lestat should cancel each other out pretty well (although she's packing heat, he can fly) - I see the fight between the two of them lasting pretty long, with Nomak and Rambo eventually heading over to lend a hand (with Rambo's bow making a big difference - hello heart shot!). Shelob will take to the sewers under the complex, but the second she surfaces, Gandalf will turn on his glow stick. As soon as that happens, the LW and MW artillery will open up on her. If a halfling can incap her with a short sword, an M-60 ought to play merry hell with her. Which leaves our SHW match-up. Yoda might outclass Gandalf one-on-one, but he's fighting Gandalf's whole remaining team here. Nomak is an extremely fast ubervamp, Selene should still have some ammo left, and Rocky's still lugging a squad-level machine gun and a bow with explosive arrows. What starts as a magic vs. Force, TK vs. TK, lightsaber vs. staff battle between the two team leaders will degenerate into a fish in a barrel scenario. Yoda will end up surrounded, with Nomak and Selene feeding on his little Muppet body. Team Gandalf to advance.

I agree completely. Team Gandalf to advance. I love the visual of Nomak and Selene feeding on Yoda's Muppet body! LOL :p

[NotYou]

I don't see why people think Nomek heading straight for Lestat
would be good for Team Gandalf.
Surely this rashness would just give him a 4 on 1 kicking,
and give his team a 4 on 3 disadvantage.
Team Yoda would do well to allow Shelob to set up shop in a
secluded area of the complex which is not wide open, and
would force Team Gandalf to get close, reducing the range
advantage.
Then, with the 4 on 3 advantage, and HTH superiority, Yoda's
team would find it easy going.
Team Yoda to win.

[DTM]

Yeah, I agree that thinking Rambo is simply going to blow away Ripley and Shelob, two creatures with no range, but very cunning, with excellent survival and stealth skills, as simply as aiming and shooting is just wrong. There is 25 miles of terrain in between them all, and Rambo isnt going to simply get a clear shot at any of them in my mind.

[Grinner]

Going with the flow here - SHWs tie each other up while the lower weights on the winning team take out the rest of the opposing team. If Gandalf wins, game over. If Yoda wins he won't be in any condition to stand up to Gandalf's remaining teammates.

Team Gandalf to round 2.

[JokersWild]

Joker has decided on Team Yoda for the win....this is what I get for not coming to see the battles. All that needs to be said has been said. Team Yoda for what others have said....