View Full Version : THE OFFICIAL UNOFFICAL RIP OFF TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS, Round One, Match One!
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 20:51
Welcome all, to the grandest imitation to grace the realms since atombob claimed to be sliced bread! The set-up is simple. The best of the best from movies and comics are organized into two man teams. Four men enter, two men leave.(Well, sometimes one man, I suppose) Rules, you ask? THERE ARE NONE!!!!
Except for the following:
Teams have the movies/comic run of thier opponents and teammates instantly downloaded into their brain, ala the Matrix.
Teams begin one mile apart, except in the case of special circumstances(certain environments, which will have the circumstances listed)
If a fighter is incapacitated in some fashion, they are considered eliminated. If a fighter is killed, he is eliminated. However, the corpses/unconcious folk and thier equipment will remain on the battlefield, to be later brought back to life via the magic of TiVO.
Each team has a ten minute planning session inside of the environment, allowing the building of devices/traps, etc.
While the environment may hinder the fighters, it cannot be used soley to kill them unless manipulated to do so.
Outside sources are allowed. Movie versions of the comic characters CANNOT be referanced, and vice versa.
Each fighter is outfitted with the standard gear they carry on them, discrepancies such as Captain America having a gun or Batman having knockout gas can be used, based on a rule of assumption, but if it's not your belief that the character has an object others say s/he does, then you may ignore that object.
I think that about settles it...
Our combatants are two of the most powerful teams in the tournament, one led by the winner of the lightweight Comic Tournament of Champions!
The first team each features the super hero of thier respective country, though in different senses.
The first hails from Mexico, and his films are:El Mariachi, Desperado, and One upon a time in Mexico. He is...
EL MARIACHI!
His teammate is the silver sentinel of liberty, the star-spangled super hero, the one, the only...
CAPTAIN AMERICA!
Opposing them this day is a team of truely powerful porportions.
First, the daughter of the most dangerous man in the DCU, a killer, a fighter, and not even twenty, she is..
BATGIRL!(Cassandra Cain)
Her teammate was in a really, really, really horrid movie, but he is a force to be reckoned with! The legendary monster hunter...
VAN HELSING!
The randomly selected terrain for this battle is...
DESERT ISLAND: The terrain is rough, rocky, and coovered in sand. A few scattered, malnourished palm trees dot the island, and the arena extend for about 25 feet into the deep ocean water on every side.
Here's hoping i'm not the only vote...
FIGHT!
Captain America's team wins because Cap can take down anyone. Plus the sheild gives him an up.
The environment seals it for El Mariachi and Cap here. If Cassie and Van Helsing had some more terrain to hide behind I would easily vote for them, but in terrain this open El Mariachi actually poses a threat and Cap can't be snuck up on. In a pure knock down drag out fight against Batgirl he takes it thanks to his willpower and rather effective use of an unbreakable shield.
Prof. Aragorn
12/01/2004, 21:03
Oh yeah, I'm lovin' this fight because Van Helsing's going to lose.
El Mariachi stalls Cassie while Cap beats the ####ty stuffing out of Gabriel-Cap is perfect against Van Helsing he can block the bolts with a shield and when it comes to close combat VH is screwed. El Mariachi will be beaten up, but he doesn't give up and he'll hurt Cassie enough so that Cap can finish Van quickly and assist Mariachi in KOing Ms. Cain.
vote: Captain America, El Mariachi:cool:
To quote scourage:
Justice is served!
In this case you're justice and you've been served a subpoena.;)
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 21:03
They were one number off to being randomized into the arboreal arena...(jungle)
i'm, voting for cassie and van helsing.
van helsing was a pretty stupid movie, but the guy got the job done.
and cassie will hand cap his hinder hth.
SteveRogers
12/01/2004, 21:14
Obviously Cap's team wins hands down. Batman is the best hand-to-hand fighter and he even admitted that Cap could beat him in Avengers/JLA 2.
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 21:16
This fight's a slobberknocker, but wait'll you see the next round with a shiny, special rules enviroment!
Kaiba2787
12/01/2004, 21:19
As you can see by my avatar you can see that Batman is my favorite hero...but I don't think Cassie would even lay a hand on Cap. The sheild can't be destryed...even Thor could't put a scratch or mark on his sheild. Cap's team wins and Van Helsing goes down crying like a baby. Hugh should have stayed as Wolverine...lol
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 21:21
If anybody wants to know the full list of matches, so you can pre-prepare your arguments, pm me.
The-Atom
12/01/2004, 21:28
Cap and El Mariachi,the amount of guns this guy has is sick,so he and Cap put a lot of lead and (Indestructible) shield through them.
Maniac_nmt
12/01/2004, 21:28
Cap and El Mariachi go rollin'.
El Mariachi wouldn't beat Cass any time quick (if at all), but his massive arsenal can keep her busy while Cap takes down Van Helsing.
or flip it.
Cap could take on Cass (beat her eventually, but not quick like). While El Mariachi throws down with Van Helsing. There it's close as well, but El Mariachi will eventually defeat Van, and then help Cap clean up Batgirl.
Prof. Aragorn
12/01/2004, 21:32
Originally posted by jedah_s
i'm, voting for cassie and van helsing.
van helsing was a pretty stupid movie, but the guy got the job done.
and cassie will hand cap his hinder hth.
Technically Van Helsing failed his job-he was suppose to stop Dracula and keep the chicks family from dying.
here's a spoiler:
She died!
He failed in that respect. Plus anyone who shoves a steak in Dracula's heart expecting him to crumble into dust (even that lame Dracula) deserves to lose to Cap-in fact losing to Cap is more honorable than say losing to Dracula (or Spike) since they do a total pwnage job.
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 21:50
Here is the list of terrains, that i randomized into this round, there may be more next round, or totally different ones, or the same ones.
Beach- lots of palm trees, lots of water, some open sand areas
High-rise:Straight from Die-hard, one team starts on the roof, one team starts midway into the building. No civilians.{Special rules: The building can't be left, though one can rappel/climb down to the surrounding sidewalk/lower floors
Arboreal:Dense jungle, snakes and wild animals abound
Creepy Forest: Evil Dead series, trees cover the entire arena. Occasionally a tree will snatch an unobservant trekker. No clearings, though a small cabin with great evil inside of it is hidden within {Special rules: The environment can kill/incapacitate the combatants}
Desert Island
Arrakis:A planet totally devoid of water-or cover. Watch out for the sandworms!{Special rules: The film and book "Dune" is downloaded into the fighter's brains. Sandworms cannot kill, but can be ridden}
Urbania:Highly populated city, vacated of working machinery or people. High towers, lots of room.
Montana Mansion: Scarface: Tony Montana's vast mansion.
New York Island:Escape from New York, the city-turned-uberjail.
I gave a few of the movie guys "home turf" not only to balance out the comic/movie power differential, but because they seemed to be the best environments. Nextr ound might have comic home turfs if I can find enough
Prof. Aragorn
12/01/2004, 21:53
Nice arenas-I especially like the Evil Dead one.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
Technically Van Helsing failed his job-he was suppose to stop Dracula and keep the chicks family from dying.
here's a spoiler:
She died!
He failed in that respect. Plus anyone who shoves a steak in Dracula's heart expecting him to crumble into dust (even that lame Dracula) deserves to lose to Cap-in fact losing to Cap is more honorable than say losing to Dracula (or Spike) since they do a total pwnage job.
wow prof... even in the shameless rip-off toc you can't go a round without bringing up dracula or spike. you really need to work these issues out.
i suppose tho that van helsing only partially failed... dracula was stopped, but the chick died.
here's how i see it (since i'm usually the odd duck)
van helsing and el mariachi shoot wildly at each other.
hopefully they both die, leaving the world no poorer.
while their team mates are killing each other off (hoipefully) cap and cassie fight.
cassie'll win that.
cassie's team to advance.
Prof. Aragorn
12/01/2004, 21:58
Meh fare enough
But Dracula would crush all 4 at once.;) ;) ;)
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 21:59
Originally posted by jedah_s
wow prof... even in the shameless rip-off toc you can't go a round without bringing up dracula or spike. you really need to work these issues out.
Hey! It's not shameless! I'm brimming with shame!:p
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 22:03
I'd like to consider myself the Ralph Nader of ToC's. I draw a tiny, insignificant amount of attention from DTM, the brand name, but i'm a hippe!
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 22:22
In almost any environment except Arrakis and one or two others, this goes to Cassie/Van Helsing who complement each other very well. However, the open area seals it, in my opinion, for Cap and El. El Mariachi is more heavily armed even than Van Helsing, and his weapons shoot faster and hit harder. Cap may not be quite on Cassie's level of pure skill, just as with Batman, but his willpower and overall toughness seal the deal. One on one or is a true team fight, i belive Captain America and El Mariachi advance.
Im a brand name? :rolleyes:
Anyway, I give this to Cap and El Mariachi. A mostly open area, which hurts Cassies stealth tremendously, and Caps mastery with his Shield to block any ranged attack his enemies can dish out, will allow his team (though mostly him, since I dont hold Desperado nearly as high as alot of the other movie characters here) the win.
My Vote - Cap America and Desperado
Jackygobang
12/01/2004, 22:28
Course ya are. I maybe have been on the realms a month longer, but you've been doing ToC's forevvvvverrr....
ninja_pie_joe
12/01/2004, 22:30
I give this to cassandra, she is the best hth fighter ever, she can dogde bullets and know what her oppentents will do before they do.
WakandaMan
12/01/2004, 23:04
Hey JackygoBang, since I'm no longer on your death-list in the Ultimate biggest thingamy, sign me up for being a loyal follower of the Rip Off TOC. This is great!
My vote goes to Cassie I think. I think she's faster and more skilled than Cap and will eventually find a way past the shield. It'll be a long fight though.
Meanwhile I'd pick Helsing over Mariachi. Helsing seems to have some level of Toughness in the movie, as well as being highly skilled and fast. I think he'll probably actually finish Mariachi first, and then provide the distraction that Cassie needs to finish Cap.
Terrain matters not! ;)
clark4christ
12/01/2004, 23:12
Originally posted by SteveRogers
Obviously Cap's team wins hands down. Batman is the best hand-to-hand fighter and he even admitted that Cap could beat him in Avengers/JLA 2.
Yes, but Batman has also said that Cassie is better h2h fighter than him. She can read someone's body movement flawlessly, she just can't read a book:laugh:
That being said I think Cassie and Helsing would realize Cap is the greater threat and focus on him first, wearing him down and eventually winning this fight.
Jackygobang
12/02/2004, 08:52
The problem with that scenario is that it focuses entirely on Cassie and Van Helsing being able to double team Cap. It completely ignores El Mariachi, who is Van Helsing's equal or greater, who would wreck them with a fusilade of bullets if they tried to double team Cap.
Jackygobang
12/02/2004, 08:54
And about Batman saying Cap could beat him, he didn't say he WOULD beat him. Batman realized it was possible for this brightly colored guy from another dimension to beat him, not an absolute certainty.
Jackygobang
12/02/2004, 09:00
9-4, in favor of the Red, White, and Blue...and the Red, The White, and the Green, and the mean ### looking eagle...
Voting is definantly going to stay open until match 8, where I will bookend the first half of the tourney, do a scenario or just for fun battle or two, and start the second half.
Jackygobang
12/02/2004, 09:05
Just a note, the new battle will be posted every morning(my time) at around 7:45, that's 9:45 Eastern. However, to allow this heated debate to continue unhindered, i'll post tonight when I get home.
Gonna give this to cap and antonio, while cassie might be a better MA, she is not the better combatant. Cap has been through and done stuff that would make cassie cry. having antonio as your backup helps quite a bit as well.
On another note, Bats exact words to cap were, "Youre good avenger, its convievable you could beat me, but it would take you a LONG time" And as to caps shield, Thor did put a dent in it not to long ago, so its not totally immune to damage.
Obviously Cap's team wins hands down. Batman is the best hand-to-hand fighter and he even admitted that Cap could beat him in Avengers/JLA 2.
Actually, Cassandra is better than Batman. Admitted by Batman. Cass beat Lady Shiva, even, who is also admitted to be the (before the Cass/Shiva fight) greatest Hand to Hand fighter on Earth.
Cass > Shiva > Batman
As you can see by my avatar you can see that Batman is my favorite hero...but I don't think Cassie would even lay a hand on Cap. The sheild can't be destryed...even Thor could't put a scratch or mark on his sheild.
She's more than good enough to get hits past the shield. You don't have to break it to hit him (and who'd even try in a martial arts match?). Heck, Batroc hits him when they fight (and Deathstroke couldn't lay a hand on her).
In addition, she's Taskmaster. She can learn moves by watching them, and instead of just copying them, she incorporates them through intuitive understanding of martial arts, it's like breathing for her. The longer the fight goes on, the more of Capt's moves she knows, and the easier it is to read his attacks. Nor exactly a slacker in the willpower/toughness area either. There's been at least one time where she willingly too a burst of assault rifle fire so it wouldn't hit the innocents behind her, and then shot-up and bleeding charged forward and took out the multiple attackers.
If Capt would barely beat Batman after a long struggle, he'd eventually lose to Cassandra. She's not a worse combatant in against humans in any way, shape, or form. His experiance helps make him a more effective combatant against supers and a better leader, but against Cassandra Cain in a martial arts match?
It'd be a long, long fight, but he's eventually lose. He's lost before to Taskmaster and Mantis, Marvel's closest equivelents skill-wise, and he's lose to Batgirl.
Still, Cassie may be the better fighter than Batman, but Id certainly give the win in a match between the to Bruce alot more than Cassie. Strength, toughness, intellect, experience, and then some go to Batman, even if Batgirl gets the nod in fighting skills and speed. If Batman can defeat her more than not, and I certainly believe that to be true, Cap will do at least as well against her.
But Batman can't beat her more often than not. He loses more often than not to Shiva, not to mention he himself definitely acknowledging Cassandra's ability in a fight.
Heck, when they fought (for carthesis reasons, nothing series) awhile back, he had to retreat constantly and even using tricks, he still got hit more.
Cass is quite strong for her size and amazingly resilient (she fights through bullet wounds quite often). And in experiance... well, she's been fighting for 10+ years, starting with a Batman-level opponent, and her brain is actually set up in a way so that it better intuitively understands martial arts than almost anyone else even can. In her own way, and due to the fact that she focuses on martial arts even more than Batman, she's more experianced at it than he.
And, again, there's the "He admits that he's at a level below hers, not just in technique quality, but in actual ability to win" thing. All your comments about speed and skill vs. strength and so on is basically why he standards a chance against Shiva and Cass, and apply equally to Shiva, who is pretty much Cassandra's exact physical equal, and she beats Bruce noticably more often than not.
SpakSpang
12/02/2004, 11:45
I completely see this going to Batgirl and Van Helsing.
El Miraichi has the guns but, he isn't taking down Van Helsing or Batgirl.
Captain America has massive strength and endurance powers over Batgirl, but she is a master at martial arts and can understand his fighting style completely just by watching him.
She is no lightweight.
Captain America will go down, and El Mariachi will go down. The Mexican gunner will go down first, and then its going to be a two on one battle.
Originally posted by Q99
Obviously Cap's team wins hands down. Batman is the best hand-to-hand fighter and he even admitted that Cap could beat him in Avengers/JLA 2.
Actually, Cassandra is better than Batman. Admitted by Batman. Cass beat Lady Shiva, even, who is also admitted to be the (before the Cass/Shiva fight) greatest Hand to Hand fighter on Earth.
Cass > Shiva > Batman
As you can see by my avatar you can see that Batman is my favorite hero...but I don't think Cassie would even lay a hand on Cap. The sheild can't be destryed...even Thor could't put a scratch or mark on his sheild.
She's more than good enough to get hits past the shield. You don't have to break it to hit him (and who'd even try in a martial arts match?). Heck, Batroc hits him when they fight (and Deathstroke couldn't lay a hand on her).
In addition, she's Taskmaster. She can learn moves by watching them, and instead of just copying them, she incorporates them through intuitive understanding of martial arts, it's like breathing for her. The longer the fight goes on, the more of Capt's moves she knows, and the easier it is to read his attacks. Nor exactly a slacker in the willpower/toughness area either. There's been at least one time where she willingly too a burst of assault rifle fire so it wouldn't hit the innocents behind her, and then shot-up and bleeding charged forward and took out the multiple attackers.
If Capt would barely beat Batman after a long struggle, he'd eventually lose to Cassandra. She's not a worse combatant in against humans in any way, shape, or form. His experiance helps make him a more effective combatant against supers and a better leader, but against Cassandra Cain in a martial arts match?
It'd be a long, long fight, but he's eventually lose. He's lost before to Taskmaster and Mantis, Marvel's closest equivelents skill-wise, and he's lose to Batgirl.
i spent my day at work today trying to find a clear way to say this.
q99 sums it up perfectly.
Jackygobang
12/02/2004, 19:08
Close, close, close...new fight'll be up momentarily.
Prof. Aragorn
12/03/2004, 10:12
I gotta give Cassie respect that she will definately beat the #### out of Cap eventually-but Mariachi's firepower is pretty good. Additionally Van Helsing can't compete against him so Mariachi will eventually be able to help out Cap.
Heck, have Cap take Van Helsing since he's got the shield while Mariachi shoots up Cassie-perfect Castling.
Nah, Cassie would DESTROY Desperado, heck she went toe to toe with Deathstroke, so El Mariachi wouldnt be much chance against her. Van Helsing will certainly lose to Cap (as most movie characters will lose against their comic book foes) but hell last longer than Antonio will.
Originally posted by Batman
All right. It's conceivable you could BEAT me Avenger.
But it would take you a VERY long time.
Tell me this, though....Do you WANT to?
I like the way people take Batman's word as gospel.
I reckon he knew his only chance was to talk Cap out of
giving him a beating.
It would have been quick too.
Before you guys start frothing too much, I was yanking chains.
Mostly.
I do think Cap would take him though.
Jackygobang
12/03/2004, 20:59
I think Cap would take him in a straight out brawl, he's not quite as skilled, but he's far stronger. But there's always the stealth factor to consider.
Prof. Aragorn
12/03/2004, 21:09
Yeah, Cap is stronger and more durable than Bats-so that's why he usually pulls some dirty tricks.
Even with Batman planning everything-it would take a long time for either to win.
That fight will always be a tie.
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