Why in the FUDGE is every frickin thread here a vs thread?

[DarkCrisis]

OMFG it's GOD vs GOKU WHO COULD POSSIBLE WIN

ROUND #65!!!

Vite now so we can have Sponge Cake vs Apple pie and 27 rounds of that posted!


We need more vs threads around here!! Quick quick!

[Socko]

I think they need to make a Battle forum like the clan forum...


seriously, 'ts gettin outta hand...

[Joe Kerr]

How about all the threads about girls?

"R there any girls here?"

"Do girls play Heroclix?"

"What happened to the attenion seeking girl who posts here?"

[Jackygobang]

Oy, whiner.


We've petitioned for a board of our own. We haven't gotten it yet. If you guys are so sore, sign the petition and re-send it to a mod. If you've already signed it, get anyone else who doesn't like the vs. threads to do it. That might not be a popular statement, but i'll stand by it.

[Inbetweener]

I like the Vs. threads but I'd rather they didn't take up the front page (no offense fellas). Oh and The Kraken would totally destroy Neo.

[Ro-gan]

IMHO:

The BOCs should only be done by DTM.

The Reviews of R/E/V/Us should only be done by azs.

The LE Reviews should only be done by RavenProject.

But-- that's just my opinion. ;)

[Joe Kerr]

There should be a forum for everything. If you want to talk about weather then you should go to the Weather Forum.

[Jackygobang]

It's a matter of opinion on whether DTM should be the only one, but it's not pertinent. What is pertinent is that we still don't have a battle forum, so the people who don't like these threads clogging the place up are happy, and so are we who like the numerous threads.

[Teron_Gorfiend]

Originally posted by Joe Kerr
There should be a forum for everything. If you want to talk about weather then you should go to the Weather Forum.

what about the weather?:grin:

when I first saw this post I thought it was for the VS. tcg and thought "hey buddy, wrong realm".

and the moral of the story is: reading is essential to life, especially a gamers life:)

[Gacy's Clown]

Yeah, there's nothing better than clicking on the "View New Posts" link only to see more than half of the threads are stupid Vs. threads. I admire the massive amount of knowledge DTM has about all those characters (and kind of envious as well), but I just hate seeing so many of them on the front page at the same time. All the other VS threads are just utter ####.

[MSU]

Apple pie would so dominate Sponge Cake. Its been around longer and its got a crust for protection. No contest. Applie Pie to round 2! :laugh: :laugh:

[GianSingir]

Originally posted by MSU
Apple pie would so dominate Sponge Cake. Its been around longer and its got a crust for protection. No contest. Applie Pie to round 2! :laugh: :laugh:

But, where are they fighting? If its in the kitchen, Sponge Cake could take the pie....


On the dinner table, that is another story!

[DTM]

Originally posted by DarkCrisis
OMFG it's GOD vs GOKU WHO COULD POSSIBLE WIN

ROUND #65!!!

Vite now so we can have Sponge Cake vs Apple pie and 27 rounds of that posted!


We need more vs threads around here!! Quick quick!



Originally posted by Socko
I think they need to make a Battle forum like the clan forum...


seriously, 'ts gettin outta hand...


And yet the numerous times I, or other members here, have bumped the VS Battle Forum Petition (which would solve your problems ASAP) to get more support for such a thing, neither of you have yet to sign.

It has been mentioned MANY times there that such a thing would be beneficial to not just fans of such threads, but those that are tired of VS Battles clogging up Another Realms. Basically, if would be good for us ALL. Why we dont have more support for such a thing is beyond me.

Instead of complaing, SIGN THE PETITION, and bring your support to the attention of the Moderators for such a thing as well.

VS Battle Forum Petition Here (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107995&highlight=Petition)

Our Current Petition List Thus Far: (I expect to see 2 more names by the end of the day)

1. DTM
2. Goose
3. JesseJames
4. Thanos thrall
5. joeldad
6. Kazuel
7. Poring
8. Laenan
9. Prof. Aragorn
10. Ignatz_Mouse
11. Shin-Mario
12. hail_eris
13. Avatar Jack
14. thedon99
15. Dalandow
16. Mr_Clicky
17. Foe Hunter
18. Grinner
19. NotYou
20. guilex78
21. Caelcor
22. gladiator1518
23. pogman02
24. Llark
25. jedah_s
26. brendanbrown
27. skywarp
28. AEONFLUX
29. Gacy's Clown
30. Jmanrocks
31. turdburglar47
32. Jackygobang
33. GoldenAge
34. Paradox Factor
35. Inbetweener
36. overseeker
37. MSU
38. Rubix1
39. dj_sha
40. Manchine
41. odieses
42. Agent_X
43. King
44. Maniac_nmt
45. LDK
46. SpakSpang
47. JokersWild
48. Foe Hunter
49. donnie72191
50. drimdal
51. Brazil
52. aZrealmusik
53. BetaRayBill
54. THOMAS5
55. Destroyer88
56. DarthDoom
57. ninja_pie_joe
58. MousePadMan
59. petenliz9

[WakandaMan]

You're both forgetting Sponge Cake's inherent softness is actually a strength and not a weakness. It would be really hard for the Apple Pie to pull ahead. Close match and tough to call...

but I do think Apple Pie will take it in the end. I'll vote for it anyway, since I'm still mad that Sponge Cake beat out Sticky Date Pudding in the previous TOC

[WakandaMan]

Originally posted by ro_gan
IMHO:

The BOCs should only be done by DTM.

The Reviews of R/E/V/Us should only be done by azs.

The LE Reviews should only be done by RavenProject.

But-- that's just my opinion. ;)

Kinda harsh isn't it ro_gan? I guess all dial creation's should be done by Manchine too?

Those guys may have originated the idea, but that doesn't mean they have some kind of exclusive right to it. If others want to give it a go, and there's interest from the rest of the Forums, then more power to them. JackyGoBang's is a nice spin off of DTM's, and Magnito's idea is quite clever and interesting, and markedly different enough to deserve a look.

I used to do a lot of dials in the Dreams and Desires Forum myself, but generally for characters that the more 'classic-comic-oriented' Manchine isn't interesting such as Thunderbolts. Since he was unlikely to ever attempt them, is there anything wrong with me doing them? (Mind you Manchine has started changing his tune lately about the T-bolts, so it might be interesting to see him try them).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, give the little guys a break. They're already fighting an uphill battle to gain credibility. Check there stuff out, and you might find it's not so bad. :classic:

[MSU]

Too bad Apple Pie is going to get OWNED by Creme Brule in the next round...but it was a good effort anyways.

[Goblin_Avenger]

"Kinda harsh isn't it ro_gan? I guess all dial creation's should be done by Manchine too?"
-WakandaMan

I hope not, I find some of his creations (and many others here) over the top or generally inaccurate. I believe ro_gan was simply being sarcastic.

"OMFG it's GOD vs GOKU WHO COULD POSSIBLE WIN"
-Dark Crisis

God wins, but its close ;)

"Vite now so we can have Sponge Cake vs Apple pie and 27 rounds of that posted!"
-Dark Crisis

Apple pie, hands down, no contest.

Back to the topic of the thread, if we lost the cartoon Vs. threads we would be taking a step in the right direction. If we went back to Comics and movies only that would be good; let me go ahead and throw out Neo vs Superman, battling inside the Matrix.

[Jackygobang]

Originally posted by Gacy's Clown
Yeah, there's nothing better than clicking on the "View New Posts" link only to see more than half of the threads are stupid Vs. threads. I admire the massive amount of knowledge DTM has about all those characters (and kind of envious as well), but I just hate seeing so many of them on the front page at the same time. All the other VS threads are just utter ####.


I'm sure that makes Magnito, and Maniac_nmt feel like utter champs. Personally, it makes me feel like the belle of the ball. Stupid ninja.

[Jackygobang]

and personally, sponge cake is just too versatile. apple pie may have gotten the tough win against Key Lime, but the terrain was a total advantage, in addition to key lime's inherent weakness to red.

[Gacy's Clown]

Originally posted by Jackygobang
I'm sure that makes Magnito, and Maniac_nmt feel like utter champs. Personally, it makes me feel like the belle of the ball. Stupid ninja.

I suppose I'm supposed to feel dumb now.....

*can't believe people think he gives a carp*

[Jackygobang]

No, i don't really expect you to care. I just like the value of making light of certain aspects of others. You aren't supposed to feel dumb, that's a bit beyond my capabilities. But it wouldn't kill you to at least say something like"I don't care for other vs. threads". I happen to remember you and your clans getting a forum because they were clogging up the boards, but quite a bit worse than we are. If you want us gone from the AR board, sign the petition.

[Ro-gan]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Kinda harsh isn't it ro_gan? I guess all dial creation's should be done by Manchine too?

Those guys may have originated the idea, but that doesn't mean they have some kind of exclusive right to it. If others want to give it a go, and there's interest from the rest of the Forums, then more power to them. JackyGoBang's is a nice spin off of DTM's, and Magnito's idea is quite clever and interesting, and markedly different enough to deserve a look.

I used to do a lot of dials in the Dreams and Desires Forum myself, but generally for characters that the more 'classic-comic-oriented' Manchine isn't interesting such as Thunderbolts. Since he was unlikely to ever attempt them, is there anything wrong with me doing them? (Mind you Manchine has started changing his tune lately about the T-bolts, so it might be interesting to see him try them).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, give the little guys a break. They're already fighting an uphill battle to gain credibility. Check there stuff out, and you might find it's not so bad. :classic:

It wasn't meant to be cruel or harsh. I apologize if it came across that way.

I just feel that certain people should be given credit for the work they have done here at the 'Realms and be entitled to be "Unique."

Basically, what I am trying to say is that sure I have the right to write a novel about Pamplona, Spain and the San Fermin Festival and the Running of the Bulls, since I did it in 2002...

BUT--

I won't. Ernest "Papa" Hemingway wrote that book. Nothing I could write could come as close to the greatness he did the Festival and people in his novel. I wouldn't even have the audacity to try. I wouldn't dare do that to "Papa's" memory.

RavenProject, azs, DTM and others here have come up with VERY original ideas and such and I feel they deserve their work not be duplicated. It just doesn't seem right to me.

[Jackygobang]

the thing is, Magnito and Maniac are totally different ideas running on a similar frame. Mine, the biggest rip-off, is intended to be a tribute, if anything.

[WakandaMan]

Originally posted by ro_gan
It wasn't meant to be cruel or harsh. I apologize if it came across that way.

Well, I was also partially directing my remarks towards Gacy's comment. You're usually one of the most civil around here. ;)

And I think I meant harsh in a slightly different context (ie. strict rather than cruel).

I just feel that certain people should be given credit for the work they have done here at the 'Realms and be entitled to be "Unique."

Basically, what I am trying to say is that sure I have the right to write a novel about Pamplona, Spain and the San Fermin Festival and the Running of the Bulls, since I did it in 2002...

BUT--

I won't. Ernest "Papa" Hemingway wrote that book. Nothing I could write could come as close to the greatness he did the Festival and people in his novel. I wouldn't even have the audacity to try. I wouldn't dare do that to "Papa's" memory.

RavenProject, azs, DTM and others here have come up with VERY original ideas and such and I feel they deserve their work not be duplicated. It just doesn't seem right to me.

True that, people should get credit for what they do here...and you know what...they do! It's clear that people respect the originators far more simply from the proportionate amount of response they get to their threads when compared to the ones that are merely inspired by them.

And how does that expression go; "Imitation is the highest form of flattery"

I even believe that DTM approved Jacky's thread 100%, and has supported it, and Jacky makes no bones about his obvious inspiration. Many of the others are substantially different (like Magnito's) that they aren't at all carbon copies.

As for the Cartoon TOC, I was keen for it until I found out that all non-serious cartoons would not be included. I was keen for a final between Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse. Instead we get all these Anime characters I don't even know (like Anime, but haven't seen a tonne of it). Meh. And yet, because DTM is "The One" he still gets a lot of support. Good for him. :classic:

[AEONFLUX]

But you guys are missing the point here.....



When are we going to get to the "Elderly battles of Marvel U"

Aunt May VS. Jarvis

J.Jonah VS. Foggy Nelson

[Silver Lantern]

Here's a simple solution, bunch the TOCs and the Clans in the same forum.

That way, the front page is kept clear of both those plagues, the TOCs get their forum (even if they have to share it) and at the same time we're not clogging the forums page by adding YET ANOTHER forum to the already long list of forums.

There, now everyone can be happy.

[WakandaMan]

Honestly....I like the vs. Threads coming up on the front page. Sorry to be difficult and against the status quo here, but I enjoy these things, but I don't want to be bothered going to look for them. If I see one on the main page or while I'm browsing Another Realm I like to check it out, but if they didn't come up like that I probably would forget about them most of the time.

That's why I haven't put my name on the petition.

On the other hand, I'd be happy for them to have their own forum, as long as they still showed on the main page. :noid:

[Prof. Aragorn]

Originally posted by MSU
Apple pie would so dominate Sponge Cake. Its been around longer and its got a crust for protection. No contest. Applie Pie to round 2! :laugh: :laugh:

WTF are you talking about! The sponge cake has range!

[LeaLu]

Originally posted by ro_gan
RavenProject, azs, DTM and others here have come up with VERY original ideas and such and I feel they deserve their work not be duplicated. It just doesn't seem right to me.

A while back, this was the discussion about review threads, and I ended up just stopping doing them in part because it wasn't worth this sort of hassle.

I'm also of the opinion that while I don't read the vs. threads (or most of the review threads either, for that matter), people should be free to write them up if they like to do so, and particularly if they have a fresh spin on the subject. Sometimes someone looking from another angle can see something new that the old pros may have missed, and there's never any harm in healthy debate. Should they have their own forum? Maybe. God knows I got as sick of the superman33 threads cluttering the front page as anyone. But don't assume that just because someone is doing something that other people have done, that they can't possibly have anything new to offer.

[venarnage]

Me vs. Darkcrisis? ok..easy to spot the winner there...me

Ninja vs. Pirate? ....another freebie..pirates are just plain stupid..

Apple Pie vs. Sponge Cake? ....well, Ive never tried sticking anything in sponge cake, but I doubt it will match the feeling of warm apple pie....

[Gacy's Clown]

Originally posted by Jackygobang
No, i don't really expect you to care. I just like the value of making light of certain aspects of others. You aren't supposed to feel dumb, that's a bit beyond my capabilities. But it wouldn't kill you to at least say something like"I don't care for other vs. threads". I happen to remember you and your clans getting a forum because they were clogging up the boards, but quite a bit worse than we are. If you want us gone from the AR board, sign the petition.

Check the petition. My name has been on it for quite awhile now. As for the clan threads, I had nothing to do with that either. I'm in one clan. One clan and one thread does not clog up the front page here. It's when people like Basil make a hundred other clans just to do it and be stupid. Yes, some of the other clans aren't stupid and are still operating today, but back when the forum was created and all of that, it was because of people making numerous, ridiculous clans all the time and clogging up the front page...which is pretty much what is happening with some of the other "vs" threads. I wouldn't mind the vs threads at all if there were only one or two on the front, but when it goes waaaay beyond that, something needs to be done.

[hail_eris]

One of the greatest debates of all time on topics like this took place on "The Simpsons":

Lenny: If you ask me, Muhammad Ali in his prime, was much better than anti-lock brakes.
Carl: Yeah, but what about Johnny Mathis versus Diet Pepsi?
Moe: Oh, I cannot listen to this again!

[Ro-gan]

Originally posted by LeaLu
A while back, this was the discussion about review threads, and I ended up just stopping doing them in part because it wasn't worth this sort of hassle.

I'm also of the opinion that while I don't read the vs. threads (or most of the review threads either, for that matter), people should be free to write them up if they like to do so, and particularly if they have a fresh spin on the subject. Sometimes someone looking from another angle can see something new that the old pros may have missed, and there's never any harm in healthy debate. Should they have their own forum? Maybe. God knows I got as sick of the superman33 threads cluttering the front page as anyone. But don't assume that just because someone is doing something that other people have done, that they can't possibly have anything new to offer.

I guess I came across as kind of "hoity toity."

I guess I really don't have a problem with others imitating the originators. I guess what was really bugging me was that most (not all, mind you) of the imitators were pathetic.

In the past there were TOCs that were ridiculous and made no sense and were managed quite poorly.

In the past there were Reviews done that their only results were to demonstarte the total lack of intellect of the Reviewer (I.E.: superman33). He is the only one that comes to mind right now, but there were others.

I myself, due to my dedication to the originators, will not go to a Thread that is a knock off. I am not saying it will be bad or anything like that. I am sure it is probably really well done and written, but I won't go there because of loyalty.

But, that's just me and my weird ways of thinking...

:cheeky:




On a Side Note:

LeaLu:

I have read a couple of your Reviews and they were very good and insightful.

[LeaLu]

Originally posted by ro_gan
I myself, due to my dedication to the originators, will not go to a Thread that is a knock off. I am not saying it will be bad or anything like that. I am sure it is probably really well done and written, but I won't go there because of loyalty.

Originally posted by ro_gan
LeaLu:

I have read a couple of your Reviews and they were very good and insightful.


Aha! Caught red-handed! Or red-texted!

[DTM]

Personally, I encourage anyone out there to make any such TOCs or VS Battles that you wish. I certainly dont want to me someone whos monopolizing the entire spectrum of such threads, and Ive certainly given my support in votes and participation in any other such battle threads that I could (meaning I knew enough about the characters involved to vote)

Heck, if it was just me doing these things, Id hardly ask for a New Forum just for that, but with Jackygobang, Maniac and now Magnito doing TOCs, not to mention several other solo battles, and any other comparison threads between characters (which I would call a form of VS), there is a NEED, now more than ever, for a Forum dedicated to these threads and the people who love, and even hate them.

Support the petition, as I support anyone else in making any such VS Thread they wish. Thats what these Forums are all about, and Lord knows Ive been trying to get our own, which would make EVERYONE here happy.

[Gentlegamer]

So when is the DTM vs. Jackygobang TOC?

[DTM]

We need a TOC for just 2 people now, eh? :)

[Agent_X]

Originally posted by Gentlegamer
So when is the DTM vs. Jackygobang TOC?

Actually someone was running HCRealms member battles a while back and this was set to be one of the matches, but that ToC just kinda stopped.

[tchipley]

Originally posted by ro_gan
IMHO:

The BOCs should only be done by DTM.

The Reviews of R/E/V/Us should only be done by azs.

The LE Reviews should only be done by RavenProject.

But-- that's just my opinion. ;)

Yes it is your opinion, but is it humble?

I like thespiderfly reviews. They provide a different perspective.

I don't want to get locked down into only one person doing a format. That person could make an honest mistake. If everyone "crowns" them the defacto authority, then we could be providing the newbies with some bad info. Isn't part of the purpose of this forum to help people?

[Ro-gan]

Originally posted by LeaLu
Aha! Caught red-handed! Or red-texted!

Yes and no, LeaLu.

Yes, I did check out a few of your Reviews. Before I asked for your hand in marriage I wanted to know what kind of person you were in case you would have said: "yes." ;)

And no, I don't look at anyone else's. Mainly because I don't collect many clixs besides the ones that I currently read in the comics I collect. Therefore, it doesn't matter if they are carp, I am still going to play them. And azs's and RP's Reviews provide enough info for those clixs I do have that I am slightly unsure how to play.

[LeaLu]

Also worth noting- RavenProject isn't doing LE reviews any more. Does this mean they're permanently off-limits now?

[Ro-gan]

If RP is "retired"-- or is the better term: tired?-- then the LEs are up for grabs for anyone.

[hail_eris]

Originally posted by tchipley
I like thespiderfly reviews. They provide a different perspective.
I'll second that. They're very well written and go into a surprising amount of detail regarding a figure's play mechanics. He also incorporates little things like what battlefield conditions would be most effective with a given figure. Here's a link (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119562) to his LE Northstar review, just so you can see what they're like. I'm genuinely hoping that he keeps at them - they're a fun read.

[WakandaMan]

Originally posted by ro_gan
[color=red]I guess I came across as kind of "hoity toity."

I guess I really don't have a problem with others imitating the originators. I guess what was really bugging me was that most (not all, mind you) of the imitators were pathetic.

In the past there were TOCs that were ridiculous and made no sense and were managed quite poorly.

In the past there were Reviews done that their only results were to demonstarte the total lack of intellect of the Reviewer (I.E.: superman33). He is the only one that comes to mind right now, but there were others.

I myself, due to my dedication to the originators, will not go to a Thread that is a knock off. I am not saying it will be bad or anything like that. I am sure it is probably really well done and written, but I won't go there because of loyalty.

But, that's just me and my weird ways of thinking...

:cheeky:
color]

Totally understand your point. I was similarly annoyed at all the wannabe dial creators giving Hypersonic Speed to every character and their superpet, thereby giving a bad name to any dial creator who is not Manchine. Spider-man- HSS, Captain America- HSS. Ugh!
:knockedou

[NotYou]

Guys...you're getting off topic.
Are either the Sponge Cake or Apple Pie armed with anything?
Cream? Custard?