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Matches 5 thru 8 are now CLOSED.
The Third Quarter of Round 1 of the TV Cartoon TOC, Heavyweight Division, begins NOW.
8 more enter, only 4 more on to Round 2. Which will rise and which will fall? That, as always, is up to you.
So without further adieu, allow me to present your next battle in a BRAND NEW (well....no, not really) type of Tournament Of Champions:
EVIL-LYN (HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE)
VS.
SKELETOR (HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them AND/OR routinely used in their shows, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Jungle Ruins - Lush, verdant trees rise over the jungle floor below. Thick vines crisscross the canopy. A large, ruined city complex sits in the center. It's fantastic masonry eroded by rain and time. In the middle it is bisected by a large, placid river flowing in at one end of the arena, and leaving through the other. (Inspired by: Tarzan, Jungle Book, etc)
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TV CARTOON TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Part 3
ROUND 1
Saw Boss vs. She-Ra: She-Ra (10 - 6)
Savage Dragon vs. Perout Le Fou: Savage Dragon (14 - 4)
Balmung vs. Stitch: CANCELLED
Captain Planet vs. Vash The Stampede: Captain Planet (13 - 12)
Mumm-Ra vs. Zok: Mumm-Ra (7 - 1)
Inyusha vs. Lancer: Inyusha (10 - 8)
Cy-Kill vs. Optimus Prime: Optimus Prime (11 - 3)
Kensin Ramouri vs. Big Guy: Big Guy (13 - 1)
Wizardmon vs. Thundra: Wizardmon (7 - 6)
Evil-Lyn vs. Skeletor: ??????
Evil-Lyn (He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, 2002 edition) - like Starscream was to Megatron, Evil-Lyn is Skeletor's number two. And like Starscream, she's a scheming plotter with more than her share of ambition and power. A mighty sorceress, she has displayed the ability to level an entire forest with a blast of flame, summon sandstorms, hypnotize with a gaze, and transform rain into a shower of boulders. (most of this through the help of certain magical artifacts and objects) Her Shaper Staff can transform the physical properties of anything it touches, and it is topped with a crystal that allows her to survey events from a great distance.
Weapons and physical abilities - Evil-Lyn has the full complement of abilities that one would expect of a high-level mage. While focusing primarily on transmutation, she has also cast an array of spells that range from the flashiest of fireballs to the most subtle of mind effects. Her staff can reshape virtually any physical object, and her scrying crystal can pinpoint her enemies from miles away. As Skeletor's chief lieutenant, she has demonstrated herself to be a gifted commander, a skilful long-range planner, and a master manipulator.
Skeletor (He-Man And The Masters Of The Universe) - the leader of the Council of Evil and would-be master of Castle Grayskull, Skeletor is a threat at any distance. His ram-headed Havoc Staff fires bolts of energy (either as a burst or as a tracking stream) that can shatter stone and disrupt magical constructs. Should his opponent survive long enough to engage him at close range, Skeletor's skill as a melee combatant is surpassed only by He-Man himself. His Legacy Armor is highly resistant to physical damage and his spell-casting abilities, while not as pronounced as those of his associate Evil-Lyn, are nonetheless quite formidable (he has shown a particular knack for manipulating earth and rock). An alchemist in his human days, he has a keen intellect, and is also quite skilled at fusing the worlds of magic and science (his experiments led to the creation of some of his more notable henchmen).
Weapons and physical abilities - Skeletor possesses greatly enhanced strength and resilience, along with an unquenchable desire to unlock the secrets of Castle Grayskull. He is a fearsome melee weapon combatant, wielding both his Havoc Staff and a vicious double-bladed sword. His Havoc Staff is also an impressive ranged weapon, capable of bringing down a castle wall in a single blast. His armor incorporates the power of one of Eternia's most powerful artifacts - the Legacy Stone. Only the most powerful of attacks could hope to breach the armor's enchantment. His magical skills tend to focus more on manipulation and the enhancement of his minions, but he has demonstrated knowledge of a number of fairly effective combat spells.
Poor Evil-Lyn...she tries to take over the throne but it ain't gonna happen. Evil-Lyn is good...but Skeletor knows her tricks. In fact, Skeletor is in charge of Evil-Lyn and if there was a way for her to take over, she would have already. Unfortunately, she knows she can't because Skeletor would whup her in a H2H. He knows her attacks and what magic she can do and it cannot pierce his armor. It will knoc him back, not take him down. In the Jungle, range ain't gona be a huge factor with all the terrain in the way. This will boil down to a H2H and Skeletor will take this. Skeletor to round 2.
Boooooo to this match-up!!!! BOOOOO!!!!!
dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 13:15
Have to go with Skeletor. There is a reason why one is the "leader" and the other is the minion.
Powerful as Evil-Lyn is (and I definitely believer her to be extremely powerful), Skeletor is just more-so. He is also a lot more cunning then she is which will get him an advantage. I also think that if the battle get's close up, and no magical, that Skeletor is a better hand-to-hand combatant than she is.
My Vote: Skeletor
Rokk_Krinn
02/04/2005, 13:16
Oh c'mon. I demand a re-match where opponents from the same toon don't have to face each other in the first round. :)
Just teasing D. I just figured someone was going to say it so it might as well be me. :)
Sorry RK, I matches them ups as I sees them, or as Im given random numbers from G here.
Still, Evil Lyn is always looking to take down Skeletor, and no one knows Skeletors tricks better than Evil Lyn. She stays at a distance, using her matter manipulation to control the jungle around Skeletor to take him down a few pegs before he even reaches her, and she certainly could take down her leader.
It mentions in Skeletors bio hes not the sorcerrer EL is, just a much better HTH combatant. This terrain is full of things which EL can control and throw at Skeletor from a distance. EL also have the desire and the first hand knowledge on Skeletor to possibly do this.
Leader and Minion aside, this battle is alot closer than you guys think.
The Red Baron
02/04/2005, 13:23
Skeletor, skeletor, skeletor, he is part Skelenton and part roian, he is skeletor. Lets see skeletor, beast man, he-man, man at arms, yea that is creativity of the 60's at its best. Anyway I vote skeletor due to that fact that he is the master and she is a minion and anyone who doesn't see that the reason behind this doesn't understand villians in cartoons. My vote Skeletor, waht an awful name
Skeletor didnt come out in the 60s TRB, He-Man and the rest are a product of the 80s. And personally, I like the name Skeletor, also though Frank Langella did an Excellent job portraying in in the live action He-Man movie.
RK, I dont think you actually voted as yet, are you for Skeletor as well?
The Red Baron
02/04/2005, 13:36
read it again i voted, and let me right myself, wow the creativity of the eighties at work.
thedon99
02/04/2005, 13:36
I'll give it to Skeletor as well, but I agree it's much closer than people think. Evil-Lyn is probaly a better sorceror/sorceress, but Skeletor is better overall. I think he would win in the end. At a distance, I see a stalemate, so when Skeletor turns it h2h, she's done for.
thedon99
02/04/2005, 13:39
Oh, and DTM, now that we know Darth Sidious lays the ### whooping on Mace and Yoda, not to mention Kit Fisto and a couple of other Council members, with a lightsaber mind you, we need a rematch between him and Yoda. That way everyone that kept saying he doesn't have a lightsaber can eat those word and think of another excuse for Yoda to win.
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Maniac_nmt
02/04/2005, 13:48
Master vs Minion.
I disagree with DTM, it's not all that close.
Skeletor takes it pretty handidly.
Evil Lyn is hardly a Minion. Beast Man, Trap Jaw, Merman. Those are Minions. Evil Lyn is Skeletors second in command, his right hand woman, a superior sorceress and almost equal tactican and leader.
Again, Im not saying EL will defeat Skeletor here, but it would be quite close, especially in a terrain with so much EL can manipulate, and EL is hardly a Minion to Skeletor.
dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 14:11
I agree that the battle will be close. (maybe my earlier post didn't indicate that). But I think that in the end Skeletor will be too much for her. She is lacking in close. Also as another question. Is this the Skeletor from the 80's series, or the Skeletor from the most recent series. Either way I stick with the same vote, but I'm just wondering.
thedon99
02/04/2005, 14:13
If it's the one from the new series, I see it being more lopsided for Skeletor. He does some #### in the new cartoon he never did in the 80's version.
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dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 14:15
granted Evil Lyn seems a lot more powerful in the new series also. It's like they both got "elevated" in power equally. But Skeletor's hand-to-hand skill got a major boost in the new series.
thedon99
02/04/2005, 14:20
Very good point Dal. Skeletor is shown more, so maybe that's why I picture his power increase to be insane.
protectorate
02/04/2005, 14:22
Both of these characters work for team evil. Team evil works for the most deadly member of the team because that's the guy everyone else is afraid of. If Evil Lyn could consistantly defeat Skeletor she would have done so a long time ago.
As it is, she is still the best of all his minions. That would make it close, but I'm pretty sure he would still win. The cartoon was sketchy on Skeletor's past, but I'm pretty sure he is older and more experienced. He is definately the superior tactician and combatant. If Evil Lyn could keep this battle at range she might have a chance, but I think Skeletor has enough ability at his disposal to close the gap.
Also, while Evil Lyn is the more accomplished sorceror, I think Skeletor has her in sheer power. Evil Lyn shots fireballs, Skeletor's blasts knock down reinforced stone walls. His armor is also highly resistant to physical and magical attack. He can take a hit from Evil Lyn (More like a dozen) but I don't think she can take a hit from Skeletor.
Evil Lyn's staff will allow her to see Skeletor's location. I don't think Skeletor even moves from his initial starting point. First he lays waste to everything in a hundred yards, clearing a giant swath of trees and undergrowth. He then uses his magic to create traps and or bunkers. By the time Evil Lyn gets to him he's got a good little fort going. She also has no real way of sneaking up on him.
If Evil Lyn doesn't come to him, Skeletor will have time to create magical constructs. Now instead of just Skeletor, she has Skeletor standing on a fourty foot tall tank.
I'd say Evil Lyn can take this, maybe 10% of the time.
The other 90%
Skeletor Rules!
(DTM, in case you missed it, that's a vote for Skeletor)
Skeletor obviously, he can beat his friggin peon. Should have posted match 10 right after this DTM, u knew this was gonna be a sweep.
Man this is the second unstoppable monster to get a buy in the first round, I wonder if Megatron has got Leader One, that would be hilarious.
hail_eris
02/04/2005, 14:30
*looks at match-up for round 9*
GAH!
Stupid laws of probability. I officially dub this the "Sophie's Choice" match, where I have to decide which one of my own kids I have to sacrifice.
Oh, well. I'm siding with Evil-Lyn. That pre-match download will mess with Skeletor's head something fierce - he thinks she's a totally loyal lieutenant. He's going to find out in a hurry just how often she's played him for her own benefit and how close she's come to knocking him aside to assume leadership of the Council of Evil. He'll be furious at the subterfuge, and Evil-Lyn will exploit his rage.
Evil-Lyn is ruthless - and she's the real strategist of the bunch (mind you, Skeletor's no slouch, but his plans tend to emphasize raw power over subtlety). She's been planning this fight for a *long time*. She's spent years as number two, with designs on that top slot - and you can bet she's been cataloging Skeletor's every mistake and weakness. She'll know where he is at all times (courtesy of her crystal) and he's going to spend a very long time getting knocked around by the foliage (they can both animate things, but Evil-Lyn is *much* better at it).
By the time they actually do face off (and they will, you can be sure of that), Skeletor is going to be in mean shape. There will be all kinds of banter about betrayal, opportunity, and the need for a change in leadership if the secrets of Castle Grayskull are ever to be revealed. She'll goad Skeletor into taking the first swing - right at her Shaper Staff. His sword, transformed into lead, will warp into uselessness. The added weight will cause him to overswing, as Evil-Lyn sidesteps, delivers a magically enhanced blow to his head, and snatches the Havoc Staff from his grasp. Weaponless, Skeletor resorts to pleading as he readies his final spell. She allows him to finish, maintaining eye contact the entire time. He reaches the climax of his plea with, "Surely, you see that we should work together...you traitorous witch!" as he unleashes a blast of pure destructive force - that passes through the image of Evil-Lyn. "You've got the looks," Skeletor hears from behind him, as the fog begins to clear from his head. He turns to see Evil-Lyn, a staff in each hand, both leveled at his head. "But I've got the brains," she finishes, as twin bolts of magical energy consume Skeletor. With a dismissive air, she turns her back on the charred remains, raises an eyebrow, and announces, "Oh, who am I kidding? I've got it all."
Evil-Lyn to advance.
Don't feel too bad hail, no matter which you choose to sacrifice the winner was already decieded.
hail_eris
02/04/2005, 14:49
Originally posted by Rando
Don't feel too bad hail, no matter which you choose to sacrifice the winner was already decieded.
I know. That little story was written purely for my own amusement, as I think it's too late to change anyone's mind...
Originally posted by Rando
Skeletor obviously, he can beat his friggin peon. Should have posted match 10 right after this DTM, u knew this was gonna be a sweep.
Yes Rando, I figured as much. Which is why Im back here now, double checking the votes quickly, to see if another Match posted would be well warranted here.
No matter how obvious the mismatch might seem, im not going to post 2 matches back to back without allowing some time for several members here to cast their votes.
Anyone want to pick which character get to battle next?
Skeletor - 7 votes (8 if you count Rokk Krinn)
Evil Lyn - 1 vote
hail_eris
02/04/2005, 16:01
Originally posted by DTM
Evil Lyn - 1 vote
I'm so alone! This is even worse than my pro-Ookla the Mok campaign...
Don't fell bad Hail, you have swayed me.
Evil Lyn really is a decent amount smarter then Skeletor, and when she can change him off-guard, such as shocked by her betrayls then she can take it more then 50% of the time.
Well, 7 votes to 2, maybe this match isnt a LOST cause after all.
Forcefire
02/04/2005, 16:22
I think Evil-Lyn can indeed mess Skeletor up a little on his way to an up-close confrontation, but I doubt that it will be enough of a deterrant to stop him from taking her down once that confrontation happens.
Oh, and thedon99, I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy, but could you please stop with the Episode III spoilers? I'm trying really hard to stay clean for this movie, and it's been working for the most part, so it becomes really frustrating to get blasted with that kind of thing without warning.
deadalus13
02/04/2005, 16:59
I think everyone agrees that Skeletor is better at HtH. Evil-Lyn knows this also. Why would she ever let this degenerate into close combat? She is the better magician and will seek to avoid a close up battle. The terrain and her ability to always know Skeletor's location should allow her to do this. If she can keep her distance and force this battle into a contest of magics, she should win.
As to the people that are saying that if she could beat him, she would have by now: she is cautious and like a lot of villains doesn't want to engage in a battle unless her victory is guaranteed. Being second in command isn't that bad when the other possibility is death. Thinking she could beat him isn't enough for her to risk her position. She is waiting until she knows she can take him. This scenario forces the confrontation, that while inevitable in her eyes, she would have put off until she had the maximum advantage. Now that it is here she will use all of her abilities and knowledge of her opponent to take him down. I don't think Skeletor will be that shocked that she has plotted against him. He would have done the same in her position. I do think that his arrogance will allow him to underestimate this person that he has always seen as beneath him.
My vote is for Evil-Lyn.
dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 17:12
I don't think that she is smarter then Skeletor. otherwise she would have already overthrown him. The only times that she has come close (and I'm looking at the latest series) she had serious help (King Hsss for example). In this scenario she is on her own.
As for not letting it develop into a hand to hand fight. Her magic, while it alone may be more then Skeletor's, doesn't overpower it by that much. It is very close. So how does she stop Skeletor from making it close.
And for all her treachery and coniving, remember that Skeletor is that and more. She is always waiting for her opportunity to strike. That means a situation on her terms and conditions (and even then it may not work out for her). This tournament is not on her terms and conditions.
In the end there is simply a reason that she has not yet been able to overthrow Skeletor, and that is becasue Skeletor is better. The reason that Skeletor will know when it is coming, is because if the rolls were reversed he would do the exact same thing.
I keep seeing a similar situation in the whole Megatron / Starscream relationship. And there is no way that the leader would be defeated there. Same thing here
deadalus13
02/04/2005, 17:23
"So how does she stop Skeletor from making it close."
When he goes right, she goes left. Seems pretty simple. She knows where he is. He doesn't know where she is. He will be looking for her, but she will know which directions he is moving and can avoid him. Meanwhile they are both sending enchantments at each other.
"I keep seeing a similar situation in the whole Megatron / Starscream relationship."
To me the comparison doesn't stand up. In what way is Starscream Megatron's superior. Skeletor's bio states that Evil-Lyn is more adept at magic. I doubt if Megatron's bio will list Starscream as the better ranged combatant.
I pick Megatron for the next match.
dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 17:30
Originally posted by deadalus13
"So how does she stop Skeletor from making it close."
When he goes right, she goes left. Seems pretty simple. She knows where he is. He doesn't know where she is. He will be looking for her, but she will know which directions he is moving and can avoid him. Meanwhile they are both sending enchantments at each other.
So they keep moving and nothing get's accomplished. That doesn't allow her to beat him, just helps her to avoid him. And her magic isn't that much greater than his is. I would almost think that it's a case of she has more skill and he has more power. In that case he just destroys the terrain so that she has nowhere left to hide. And while she is hiding, that eliminates a line of fire. So unless she want's to destroy terrian (which will eliminate her cover from him.)
He has enough fortitude and armor to take her blasts. Plus the power of the magical shields he can create would stand up too. While she would not want it to be up close, she can't just stand back and shoot.
Her magic is not that much more powerful as it is being made out to be. Yes it is powerful, but not that much more then Skeletor's.
protectorate
02/04/2005, 17:30
More adept does not mean more powerful. She's studied it more. Skeletor is still more powerful. It's like she is an adept knife fighter and he comes in with a broadsword. Look at their comparative attacks. Anyone short of He-man that gets hit by one of Skeletor's attacks is dead. Everyone else gets hit by the shockwaves of Skeletor's attacks and are hurting. The same can't be said about Evil Lyn's attacks.
Skeletor is one of the few human sized combatants that I don't think will be affected by terrain obstacles much, simply because he can destroy the terrain without any real power expendeture.
Another question, how does this same terrain limit Lancer's ranged capabilities, but enhance Evil Lyn's? I'm seeing inconsistant logic from some people here.
Originally posted by deadalus13
"So how does she stop Skeletor from making it close."
When he goes right, she goes left. Seems pretty simple. She knows where he is. He doesn't know where she is. He will be looking for her, but she will know which directions he is moving and can avoid him. Meanwhile they are both sending enchantments at each other.
"I keep seeing a similar situation in the whole Megatron / Starscream relationship."
To me the comparison doesn't stand up. In what way is Starscream Megatron's superior. Skeletor's bio states that Evil-Lyn is more adept at magic. I doubt if Megatron's bio will list Starscream as the better ranged combatant.
It says in Skeletor's bio that he can fire magical beams that track their target. Obviously Evil-Lyn can't avoid them, I see no indication of any defensive abilties of any kind, while Skeletor obviously has exceptional ones. How is she going to avoid being killed totally by an attack like that, whether or not she gets the first attack in?
hail_eris
02/04/2005, 17:51
Originally posted by Rando
How is she going to avoid being killed totally by an attack like that, whether or not she gets the first attack in?
She's got a scrying crystal, so she's got over-the-horizon attack capability. And both of them have some kind of elemental control abilities - Evil-Lyn's are just a bit stronger and (because of the crystal) she's able to use them at a longer range. So Skeletor would be getting attacked by the jungle itself the whole time he was trying to reach her (if he stayed put, he'd just have trees beating on him there). Mind you, the jungle will look pretty scorched earth after he gets through with it (an animated forest isn't going to stop Skeletor, but it will slow him down and consume power that would be better used in the main fight). Trust me, once Skeletor wins this fight (and he will), I'm going to be his most vocal supporter. It's just that here, I really do think that Evil-Lyn could pull this off.
dal_johnson
02/04/2005, 17:56
Originally posted by Rando
It says in Skeletor's bio that he can fire magical beams that track their target. Obviously Evil-Lyn can't avoid them, I see no indication of any defensive abilties of any kind, while Skeletor obviously has exceptional ones. How is she going to avoid being killed totally by an attack like that, whether or not she gets the first attack in?
That pretty much swings the ranged side to Skeletor's favor. He doesn't even have to know where she is.
Even your bio, which lists abilities that Evil-Lyn can apparently only do with rituals and stuff she cannot have access to say she can only animate stuff her staff touches, so unless she is right next to Skeletor then no animateing the jungle. Regardless of that Skeletor engages a guy that can be physically seen to lift a friggin mountain some tree is going to be as threatening as a stiff breeze, assumeing he doesn't just demolish the entire terrian, or most of it with his castle clearing blast. On top of that if Skeletor's attack's track their target then he doesn't even need a scrying crystal, he just fires it and the fight is over, it will just get to her and destroy her.
Put me down for Evil-Lyn, I believe that she will *finally* defeat her boss and gain absolute power...
This is gonna be hilarious when they get transported back to their universe after the TOC.
Skeletor: SO? YOU WERE PLANNING TO OVERTHROW ME ALL THIS TIME?
Evil-Lyn: Thats right.
Im gonna go against the grain and vote for Evil-Lyn. Skeletor has been the boss for a while now, he has more than likely grown beyond any distrust from her, he knows hed win if for some reason she did try to fight him. Meanwhile, Evil-Lyn has been plotting this exact fight for a long time now, she knows what weaknesses skeletor has and has planned exactly how to hit them. This would be a very tough fight, but in the end i think the Ambition of Evil-Lyn would win out
I think that Evil had a real chance in this thing if she had fought anyone elce. Against this opponant, she has no chance. There is a reason he is in charge and she is second. My vote...
SKELETOR
The Red Baron
02/04/2005, 22:39
wow this match got close in a hurry
The Red Baron
02/04/2005, 22:39
wow this match got close in a hurry
Originally posted by Poring
Put me down for Evil-Lyn, I believe that she will *finally* defeat her boss and gain absolute power...
This is gonna be hilarious when they get transported back to their universe after the TOC.
Skeletor: SO? YOU WERE PLANNING TO OVERTHROW ME ALL THIS TIME?
Evil-Lyn: Thats right.
I;m thinking more Battle Royal. will this make them too bitter to work together?
This one goes to Skeletor. Skeletor can go toe to toe w/ He-man AND his father at the same time. Evil-Lyn is smart but Skeletor is just to powerful for her. She even has a hard time beating Teela or any of the Masters of the universe one on one. And Skeletor can take on all of the Masters of the universe at once.
I vote for Skeletor!
Skeletor - 10 votes
Evil-Lyn - 5 votes
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