LOST

[Superfro]

a.k.a. Clancy Brown a.k.a. Kurgan from Highlander a.k.a. Mr Krabs from Spongebob Squarepants a.k.a. Lex Luthor from Justice League & Superman a.k.a. Rawhide from Buckaroo Banzai a.k.a. ... ;)

Or my personal faves......

a.k.a. Brother Justin Crowe from Carnivale and Captain Byron T. Hadley from The Shawshank Redemption. ;)

[Wyldstaar]

Not necessarily... I saw pictures of ones that were just green. Apparently they can be a variety of colors (as "poison dart frog" is a term that really refers to a bunch of poisonous frogs). You couldn't really make out any markings or colors on it other than green but it was about the right size and would provided an interesting reason for having Sawyer squash it.

There are a few frogs that aren't quite so brightly colored that secrete a poison, but most of them aren't fatal to humans. They will get you pretty high though. At first, as Sawyer was speaking to it I thought he might be feeling the effects of a hallucenogen but then he started acting normal again.



Also did anyone else notice that the head American guy (the one w/ the beard) spoke Arabic. They didn't actually need Sayid to translate...

Well, that wasn't exactly subtle on his part. He made a point of revealing his ability to speak the lingo when he didn't really need to. As he said, he felt that Sayid would need a skill in post-war Iraq that would be in demand. He was right, too.

[absolutvt69]

I'm not happy that next week is a rerun :(

[Superfro]

Agreed..they finally do an episode I can get back into and then it grinds to a halt again for 2 weeks. :ermm:

Oh well...at least there's The Shield and 24 to hold me over. ;)

[PirateNinja]

So, what do you people think about the newcomer? Why don't they simply go see if there really is a balloon...

[Wyldstaar]

So, what do you people think about the newcomer? Why don't they simply go see if there really is a balloon...

If they go to investigate his claims, they will have cross the border between 815's corner of The Island and enter Dark Territory. The Others were very clear. As long as the survivors of 815 stay on their half of The Island there won't be any trouble. The introduction of Henry Gale is likely a test to see if they will cross the border.

[CREED]

a.k.a. Clancy Brown a.k.a. Kurgan from Highlander a.k.a. Mr Krabs from Spongebob Squarepants a.k.a. Lex Luthor from Justice League & Superman a.k.a. Rawhide from Buckaroo Banzai a.k.a. ... ;)

:devious:Let's not forget the roll he'd have been perfect for-SABERTOOTH.

[Wyldstaar]

I was checking out the logo for Dharma last night and I noticed something I've never picked up on before. It's not the straightforward symbol I initially took it for. Check out a pic here. (http://thedharmainitiative.org/) Look at the eight sections of three lines surrounding the center. Every section is different from the others. I can't help but believe that it means something. Perhaps it's a clue, or a map of some kind? Maybe the pattern is a code, or a code key?

[jacob717]

I think the dharama symbols are the 8 chinese trigrams if so starting at the top and going clockwise it symbolizes: fire, earth, lake, sky, water, mountain, thunder, wind now as to want this means I don't have a clue to what it means I hope this helps

[Socko]

how did this thread wonder so far down the page?


last nights episode was sooooo good. defiantly worth waiting for. I mean... spoilers in white: The parts with Ethan! daaaaamn!

[TKMandroid]

I think the dharama symbols are the 8 chinese trigrams if so starting at the top and going clockwise it symbolizes: fire, earth, lake, sky, water, mountain, thunder, wind now as to want this means I don't have a clue to what it means I hope this helps

When I noticed the trigrams, I immediately thought they were I Ching hexagrams.

I was in a hurry, but I went to the local library to check on this hunch...

In the book I found, it turns out that the symbols represent (wind?) directions... :confused:

It gets even more confusing... I copied the symbols down, went home and reviewed the tape focusing on the symbols from the hatch (the Swan).

Translating the symbols from the top of the logo and going clock-wise, the directions are... E, N, SW, S, W, NE, NW and SE... It also may be worth noting that when Sayid was checking his compass (while comparing notes with Locke) the "North" on Sayid's compass was in the same direction as the "North" on the logo...... :surprised

Does any of this actually mean anything......?

This was, very likely, a waste of a good post. :squareeye

Gotta wait at least a couple of weeks for the next episode.... :disappoin

[Superfro]

I know it was suppossed to be, but that alarm noise everytime they would go to a flashback was the single most irritating thing I've heard in my life. It was completely obnoxious and made me want to kick in my TV.

(I should also clarify that I watch the show in HD with 5.1 surround sound, so maybe it wasn't that bad over the regular 2 channel, but daaaaaamn on that piercing noise! :confused: )

I will say that last episode was an improvement for the season, and last nights was A-W-E-S-O-M-E!

What did we find out?

So we know "The Others" are actors playing roles to the survivors, correct?

We found out the French woman's kid was a girl, and that she's most likely still around.

Did anyone recognize the music playing on the baby mobile? It seemed obvious to me that it was suppossed to be something, but I was going crazy trying to place it.

We know the dude in the hatch is obviously "bad" and is officially trying to drive a wedge into the group now.

What else?

[Superfro]

Oh...and....no new episode untill 3/22. :tired:

[absolutvt69]

I know it was suppossed to be, but that alarm noise everytime they would go to a flashback was the single most irritating thing I've heard in my life. It was completely obnoxious and made me want to kick in my TV.

(I should also clarify that I watch the show in HD with 5.1 surround sound, so maybe it wasn't that bad over the regular 2 channel, but daaaaaamn on that piercing noise! :confused: )

I will say that last episode was an improvement for the season, and last nights was A-W-E-S-O-M-E!

What did we find out?

So we know "The Others" are actors playing roles to the survivors, correct?

Correct and the guy w/ the beard was the one talking to Ethan outside the door about "what am I supposed to tell 'Him'?" Who is "him"? Gale? Walt... The Asian man in the video?

We found out the French woman's kid was a girl, and that she's most likely still around.

I would say yes that's her daughter.

Did anyone recognize the music playing on the baby mobile? It seemed obvious to me that it was suppossed to be something, but I was going crazy trying to place it.

"Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket"... the song Claire asked the potential adoptive mother if she'd sing to the baby once in awhile. Could be that she told Ethan that she liked that song... or could be "they" already knew somehow.

We know the dude in the hatch is obviously "bad" and is officially trying to drive a wedge into the group now.

Most definitely. I think he's an Other. His name along with his complete ignorance act just seem too suspicious. How important is he to the Others? Is a "higher-up"? It's also a little hard to believe that Locke would let him get to him that easily... or maybe Locke's playing along?

What else?

Mr. Eko... his confession... just strange. Does he know/think Gale is an Other? Is that why he told him? So that when Gale gets back he can let them know Eko's sorry? Eko could have told anyone in the group his confession. Instead he waits until some mystery man is captured and tells him. There's got to be more to it. Obviously the cutting off of the two pieces of his beard were to symbolize the two men he killed. Once he had confessed the slate was clean and the symbols could be removed. Now the question is was his confession supposed to clean the slate so that he could kill again if needed? Or will it provided a weakness for the Others to exploit (his reluctance to take another life)? The mysterious illness... Does it actually exist? Or is it a fabrication to keep the test subjects scared and perhaps convince unsuspecting mothers to hand over their babies (almost any mother would give up her child if she thought that was the only way to save it from a life-threatening illness).



Looks like we've got another two weeks to wait for the next new episode. And it looks like Locke is going to let Gale out. Also I hope there's more to Sun asking for a pregnancy test than "Am I pregnant"? Like maybe she's actually getting sick or maybe Jin is not the father. As usual the show answered fewer questions than it raised.

[Superfro]

It's also a little hard to believe that Locke would let him get to him that easily... or maybe Locke's playing along?

See...I don't think so. It makes sense to me. He always thinks he knows what's best for the group. I think he has A LOT of resentment for Jack and his "leader" roll. I think Locke thinks he and Jack make decisions together, as he stated last night, but when it comes down to it he knows the rest of the group really only looks to Jack. Locke is a smart guy, you know he's gotta be thinking of that non stop. To hear someone else point it out might actually make him come to terms with it and start doing things his way, or at least try to. I think they've been doing the Locke vs. Jack setup for a long long time now. It'll have to come to a head eventually. I think this dude in the bunker is serving as a catalyst for that.

Thanks for the info on the song. I knew it had to be something. Good catch! :cool:

And yeah, I'd like to know who the actor dude was talking about as well. Hanso? I'm sure we'll find out in Season 4. :cheeky:

Another thing I forgot. The stuff they were giving Claire appeared to the same stuff that Desmond was using. I'm pretty sure the numbers on the bottles match.

[Wyldstaar]

I was surprised that Locke was so easily influenced by Henry at the end. It seemed horribly transparent what he was trying to do, and Locke is usually smarter than that. What's more, it was Locke who chided Jack about his role as leader whe Jack told him he was not interested in being one back in season one.

I can't help but notice that the Dharma logos are present at an absolutely ABSURD level. Nobody puts their organization's logo on every piece of equipment they own as a matter of routine. They seem to have gone to an enormous length of effort for little readily apparent result. Is this overkill on JJ Abrams part, or is there method to the madness?

I also can't help but wonder why The Others would be stupid enough to leave evidence in an abandoned bunker that they're not what they appear. Was it done on purpose, or just a case of human error?

[Superfro]

I also can't help but wonder why The Others would be stupid enough to leave evidence in an abandoned bunker that they're not what they appear. Was it done on purpose, or just a case of human error?

Come on, give them a little credit. They did cover the doors with a plastic bag. :laugh:

[hail_eris]

I can't help but notice that the Dharma logos are present at an absolutely ABSURD level. Nobody puts their organization's logo on every piece of equipment they own as a matter of routine. They seem to have gone to an enormous length of effort for little readily apparent result. Is this overkill on JJ Abrams part, or is there method to the madness?
The creepier the organization, the more ubiquitous their branding. The Nazis stamped swastikas onto their dinner plates, for crying out loud. Go to Bentonville, Arkansas, and you can't get away from that damned Wal-Mart smiley. Heck, there was a time in Korea when you could drive to work in your Samsung car, enter your Samsung Construction-built office, stop at the Samsung Department store cafeteria for lunch, drive home to your Samsung-managed apartment block, and spend an evening watching Samsung-sponsored programming on your Samsung television.

[Socko]

"Correct and the guy w/ the beard was the one talking to Ethan outside the door about "what am I supposed to tell 'Him'?" Who is "him"? Gale? Walt... The Asian man in the video?"


I am thinking he was talking about that Alvar Hanso dude.

[Socko]

The creepier the organization, the more ubiquitous their branding. The Nazis stamped swastikas onto their dinner plates, for crying out loud. Go to Bentonville, Arkansas, and you can't get away from that damned Wal-Mart smiley. Heck, there was a time in Korea when you could drive to work in your Samsung car, enter your Samsung Construction-built office, stop at the Samsung Department store cafeteria for lunch, drive home to your Samsung-managed apartment block, and spend an evening watching Samsung-sponsored programming on your Samsung television.


stopfreakingmeout!

[Superfro]

stopfreakingmeout!

Don't worry....it's all very clever product placement. Hail is actually a Samsung robot.

[Socko]

*looks at hail's tshirt tag*



Samsung



:O :eek: O:










oh wait, that says hanes. nevermind.

[bootkneelee]

I did enjoy last nites program but I tell you what, Claire is getting on my dang-o nerves! All she does is whine and scream and scream and whine...I wish Sun would have slapped her.

I like the fact that the French Woman is getting more time and that she is not afraid to die, wants to die, but will nottake her own life. And as cheezy as it is, i believe that was her daughterthat saved Claire.

Jack is a chump, he got played by Sawyer and now the "mystery man" is playing him. Jack is not a good leader and neither is Locke. No one is willing to take full charge. Mr. Echo would make a better leader than the two put together.

Speaking of Mr. Echo, I wonder what he is building out in the jungle, and why did he cut off his goate'????

[hail_eris]

Don't worry....it's all very clever product placement. Hail is actually a Samsung robot.
Thank you for your interest in Samsung. One of our assassi- *brzzt* customer service representatives will contact you this evening at your home...

[bootkneelee]

I did enjoy last nites program but I tell you what, Claire is getting on my dang-o nerves! All she does is whine and scream and scream and whine...I wish Sun would have slapped her.

I like the fact that the French Woman is getting more time and that she is not afraid to die, wants to die, but will nottake her own life. And as cheezy as it is, i believe that was her daughterthat saved Claire.

Jack is a chump, he got played by Sawyer and now the "mystery man" is playing him. Jack is not a good leader and neither is Locke. No one is willing to take full charge. Mr. Echo would make a better leader than the two put together.

Speaking of Mr. Echo, I wonder what he is building out in the jungle, and why did he cut off his goate'???

[Wyldstaar]

I did enjoy last nites program but I tell you what, Claire is getting on my dang-o nerves! All she does is whine and scream and scream and whine...I wish Sun would have slapped her.

A new mother fussing over a sick newborn is to be expected. Under the circumstances, Claire's actions were extremely decisive. She didn't just stand around fretting and crying over her sick child. She set about doing something constructive. The fact that she failed to find any drugs in the abandoned Dharma bunker is beside the point. She saw a problem and she acted. Good for her!

Speaking of Mr. Echo, I wonder what he is building out in the jungle, and why did he cut off his goate'????

He didn't cut off his entire goatee, but the two small braids he had tied into it. I would assume that these were tied there as a constant reminder of his killing of the two Others. Since he confessed this to Gayle, he no longer felt the need to keep them, and cut them off. As for what he may be building in the jungle, I've got no idea. It's surely not a boat or raft though. He's already heard from Michael and Sawyer how futile that would be.

[Superfro]

A new mother fussing over a sick newborn is to be expected. Under the circumstances, Claire's actions were extremely decisive. She didn't just stand around fretting and crying over her sick child. She set about doing something constructive. The fact that she failed to find any drugs in the abandoned Dharma bunker is beside the point. She saw a problem and she acted. Good for her!


Unfortunately none of this explains why Emilie de Ravin does such a horrible acting job on the show. ;)

[absolutvt69]

I did enjoy last nites program but I tell you what, Claire is getting on my dang-o nerves! All she does is whine and scream and scream and whine...I wish Sun would have slapped her.



I don't mind except for the "my baby" cry she lets out every other word. "Charlie's trying to hurt MY BABY". "They're trying to take MY BABY". "MY BABY is sick". Every time she says it it makes me think "Maybe the dingos ate your baby" (in an Australian accent of course).

[bootkneelee]

I don't mind except for the "my baby" cry she lets out every other word. "Charlie's trying to hurt MY BABY". "They're trying to take MY BABY". "MY BABY is sick". Every time she says it it makes me think "Maybe the dingos ate your baby" (in an Australian accent of course).


And see that's what i meant, I can understand she "rose to the ocasion" but her whining was getting on my nerve, so much to the fact is she fell off of a cliff and expired I would not be saying "poor Claire" more like "Good riddance to bad rubish!"

And the 2 strands on the goate' for the 2 dead guys makes sooooo much sense....thanks WYLDSTARR!

[Socko]

"My Baby!"

-the next drinking game, brought to you by lost.

sure to get you ####ed up.

[krusticlese]

Speaking of Mr. Echo, I wonder what he is building out in the jungle, and why did he cut off his goate'???

I thought that was kind of obvious after his pennance, and saying how he's on the rightous path again.


He's building a Church. ;) Now, what exactly the effects of introducing organized religion onto the island will have on both the 815 camp and the Others is something I don't think we'll see resolved untill Season 5.

I'm thinking that Eko may have more of a following then Jack and Locke eventually.

[EmperorNorton]

I didn't find her to be annoying.
I found her to be gorgeous as usual.

[bootkneelee]

I thought that was kind of obvious after his pennance, and saying how he's on the rightous path again.


He's building a Church. ;) Now, what exactly the effects of introducing organized religion onto the island will have on both the 815 camp and the Others is something I don't think we'll see resolved untill Season 5.

I'm thinking that Eko may have more of a following then Jack and Locke eventually.


Thanks for pointing out my oversight....

And I take Mr. Eko at his word about his "righteous path" but that look he gave the guy was a Samuel L. Jackson, Jewels from Pulp Fiction look that would put the fear in any and every sane man!

[hotwaffleman]

i agree that mr eko is building a church. hopefully, the camp can find something to salvage from the new bunker. heck, somebody may move in there. better not let sawyer know about it. it's too bad he found new glasses. the old ones were perfect.

on another note, it seems that this episode, the castaways all got hotter. claire was just smokin hot, and the new psychiatrist was looking good. rosseau's daughter was hot and heck, i'll say it, give her a bath and rosseau could be a milf.

i'm starting to think that the button is going to become a joke. i can see how it could be just a psychiatric experiment. the others are from the dharma initiative so why would they entrust the camp to push the button? plus it is clear that they are a research group of some kind.

man i love this show. i wish that it were a solid hour on a cable network like the sopranos.

'nuff ranting for now.

[Wyldstaar]

and heck, i'll say it, give her a bath and rosseau could be a milf.

I suspect you're right, but it's so hard to tell with her. I've only seen her on Lost covered in dirt from head to toe, and Babylon 5 covered in prosthetic make-up.

[bootkneelee]

I suspect you're right, but it's so hard to tell with her. I've only seen her on Lost covered in dirt from head to toe, and Babylon 5 covered in prosthetic make-up.


The 2 things that stood out about her last week were

A] She does not wear a bra

and

B] She was cold.....very cold......


She's a MILF.....

[Superfro]

The 2 things that stood out about her last week were

A] She does not wear a bra

and

B] She was cold.....very cold......


She's a MILF.....

More importantly, maybe, is that Alex is a DILF. :cheeky:

[Socko]

Yeah, Holy Grail, you know what I'm talkin' bout.


A.I.L.F.





artifact I'd like to find

[krusticlese]

More importantly, maybe, is that Alex is a DILF. :cheeky:

Speaking of Alex, she looked like the actress that had been playing Malcom's smart girlfriend on Malcom in the Middle. 'Ya know, the one who grew the ginormous boobies over the summer and kept wearing a sweater to cover them up.

[Superfro]

Speaking of Alex, she looked like the actress that had been playing Malcom's smart girlfriend on Malcom in the Middle. 'Ya know, the one who grew the ginormous boobies over the summer and kept wearing a sweater to cover them up.

I don't watch MitM but I have seen it mentioned she was on that show. So you would be correct. :)

[absolutvt69]

Speaking of Alex, she looked like the actress that had been playing Malcom's smart girlfriend on Malcom in the Middle. 'Ya know, the one who grew the ginormous boobies over the summer and kept wearing a sweater to cover them up.


Wow.. that is her... I would have never recognized her (it's been years since I watched an episode of Malcom).

[Stepper79]

I just started watching the Dvds of Babalyon 5 and it hit me the other day the the french woman rousseau is the Delenn ( the female ambassador with the bone around her head)

this may have already been mentioned

[Socko]

I was watching Old School the other day and got a pleasent shock seeing Locke.


He plays the dad of the high school teen that Luke Owen boned. He had a mustache so at first I was like, hey that looks like... IT IS Locke!!!

[Socko]

hahahah, not luke owen, luke wilson.



durr

[Wyldstaar]

I was watching Old School the other day and got a pleasent shock seeing Locke.


He plays the dad of the high school teen that Luke Owen boned. He had a mustache so at first I was like, hey that looks like... IT IS Locke!!!

The guy who plays Locke has been a character actor for more than a decade. He's been in a ton of films. Just the other day I saw him playing the mayor in Tombstone.

[EmperorNorton]

I just came home from the movies and I was surprised to see Emilie de Ravin in a trailer for The Hills Have Eyes.

[Socko]

The guy who plays Locke has been a character actor for more than a decade. He's been in a ton of films. Just the other day I saw him playing the mayor in Tombstone.


heheh, my dad said he recognized him in that a week or two ago.

Ive never really heard of a lot these actors untill they were on lost.

[szude]

The guy who plays Locke has been a character actor for more than a decade. He's been in a ton of films. Just the other day I saw him playing the mayor in Tombstone.

He was on Alias a couple times, which is his JJ Abrams connection.

[hail_eris]

The guy who plays Locke has been a character actor for more than a decade. He's been in a ton of films. Just the other day I saw him playing the mayor in Tombstone.
He (Terry O'Quinn) was a Chris Carter staple for a while there, too. He turned up in X-Files, Millennium, and Harsh Realm. I'll always associate him with his role as Peter Watts in Millennium (totally underrated show that had the best series finale ever - if you ignore the third season, that is).

[Superfro]

I'll always associate him with his role as Peter Watts in Millennium (totally underrated show that had the best series finale ever - if you ignore the third season, that is).

WORD! Although he had that creepy mustache that was along the top of his lip and didn't touch his nose. Then in the X-Files movie it was reversed. Or maybe the other way around. Either way, it was creepy. :p

He'll always be the dude from The Stepfather to me though. That's all I see when I see Locke, that's how I know he's really an evil character. :cheeky:

And I couldn't agree more about the Millennium business. On all accounts. That Mother's Day meal scene is still probably the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on regular TV.

[JacinB]

I've tried to get into Lost, but I just don't get the fascination.

You get one new episode and then four or five re-runs, followed by a recap show, and then another new episode. And, except for the backstory, every episode is the same thing. Someone wanders away from the group, sees something wierd in the jungle (a horse, Walt, a big black cloud, etc.) and then runs back to the group and tells everyone what they saw, only to have no one believe them ... even though, someone else had also just wandered into the jungle and had seen something wierd on the last new episode that aired a month ago.

It's almost like they didn't expect it to go beyond one season, and now they're out of story, and are just sort of winging it because they know if they actually do reveal the secrets of the island, the show will be over.

[JacinB]

Oh, and what's worse? This is going to turn into the X-Files. They're never going to tell you all of the secrets of the island. It's just not going to happen. They're never going to reveal what everything really means and who's working with who and what the real agenda is or what really happened ... at least, not on the television show.

Nope. They're going to wind up making a movie for that. They're going to drag this thing out for four or five seasons, never tell anyone anything, and then say, "Hey! You want to find out all the secrets? Come see 'Lost: Fight the Future!' ... now playing at your local cineplex, tickets just $9.00."

[absolutvt69]

I've tried to get into Lost, but I just don't get the fascination.

You get one new episode and then four or five re-runs, followed by a recap show, and then another new episode. And, except for the backstory, every episode is the same thing. Someone wanders away from the group, sees something wierd in the jungle (a horse, Walt, a big black cloud, etc.) and then runs back to the group and tells everyone what they saw, only to have no one believe them ... even though, someone else had also just wandered into the jungle and had seen something wierd on the last new episode that aired a month ago.

It's almost like they didn't expect it to go beyond one season, and now they're out of story, and are just sort of winging it because they know if they actually do reveal the secrets of the island, the show will be over.


The re-runs have just been lately... I think they're buying time until sweeps (not uncommon as several shows I watch have had reruns recently). If you watched the beginning of season 2 they had a bunch of new episodes in a row. While I agree that the reruns and the second season pace have slowed the momentum down, I don't agree w/ the oversimplification of each episode's plot. This week should be a new episode, hopefully from here on out until the end of season 2. It's cool if you're not into it. There are plenty of popular shows I just don't "get"... coughAmericanIdolcough. But I don't think your flippant synopsis of every episode is fair to the show, its fans, or its writers. There's way more to it than what you claim.

[hotwaffleman]

this week's episode looks pretty good. i saw part of a commercial and it seems like the others are demanding their guy back and are looking for some sick psycological retribution. an eye for an eye kinda thing. although, they got walt we got skippy the weasley bastard guy, but i doubt there is gonna be a prisoner exchange.

can't wait to download the episode on thursday. i don't even bother watching on wed since i have no cable and carppy tv reception. itunes has a good thing going.

[Superfro]

i don't even bother watching on wed since i have no cable and carppy tv reception. itunes has a good thing going.

I will think of you when I'm watching it on HD in 5.1 surround sound. ;)

This one's for you hotwaffleman.....this one's for you. :sleep:

:cool:

[bootkneelee]

Oh, and what's worse? This is going to turn into the X-Files. They're never going to tell you all of the secrets of the island. It's just not going to happen. They're never going to reveal what everything really means and who's working with who and what the real agenda is or what really happened ... at least, not on the television show.

Nope. They're going to wind up making a movie for that. They're going to drag this thing out for four or five seasons, never tell anyone anything, and then say, "Hey! You want to find out all the secrets? Come see 'Lost: Fight the Future!' ... now playing at your local cineplex, tickets just $9.00."


One thing they promised us from the begininng that there was an end to this story, and I'm gonna believe them...

Another thing, I wish most of my favorite TV shows would do their finale show as a movie. The Sopranos, build it up and then do a 2 hour movie on the big screen, Lost do the same thing, 24 show me Jack Bauer on the Big Screen torturing suspects and killing terrorists and The Shield, Vic Mackey is already larger than life, up on the big screen...... man......

i still like lost and like the way the story is going, the re-runs are a bit of a drag, but i guess after tonite that won't matter!

[Superfro]

Pfftt....Shield is a big screen movie every week. Still not sure how they get away with what they do. (Tonight baby!!!!) :knockedou

And there will certainly be an end to Lost....unfortunately "end" does not equal "answers". :cheeky: My theory on Lost is that there will be a ton of stuff that never get's answered, and that which does will be hated by a large % of the viewing audience because it will prompt the "we watched this show for 4 years for that?!" repsonse. At which point the show will do a 180 for me and due to it pissing off a large group of it's own fanbase, will become awesome again. :laugh:

[malephoenix]

I've tried to get into Lost, but I just don't get the fascination.

You get one new episode and then four or five re-runs, followed by a recap show, and then another new episode. And, except for the backstory, every episode is the same thing. Someone wanders away from the group, sees something wierd in the jungle (a horse, Walt, a big black cloud, etc.) and then runs back to the group and tells everyone what they saw, only to have no one believe them ... even though, someone else had also just wandered into the jungle and had seen something wierd on the last new episode that aired a month ago.

It's almost like they didn't expect it to go beyond one season, and now they're out of story, and are just sort of winging it because they know if they actually do reveal the secrets of the island, the show will be over.

I've actually been very pleased with the strings of new episodes. It hasn't even been kind of like the way you described until about the time the Olympics started.

I'd also posit that each episode is not cookie cutter from the last. For example, the three episodes that I think of off the top of my head are Sun and Jin's second episode, the episode that brought us through the first month and a half of the tailies lives, and then honestly, the most recent episode, which blew me away by having such flashbacks with the very first Other we met. Each of those were very different from the other. At the same time, I would agree that if you look at it as just "going into the jungle and seeing something weird" as the model, then that is the most common recurring plot. (I personally see it as a different set of "models" - for example, I categorize all the episodes that deal with the monster as one type; I don't put it in the same type as someone encountering a horse.)

Honestly, the show isn't something that I can see much value in if it's not watched all the way through from the very first episode straight through. That's just not the type of program it is. Of course, others may be able to watch every other episode and be just fine. But I just can't see it as worthwhile to watch it here and there.

If you don't care, then that's cool. But if you really want to give it a try, watch the whole first season in order. Even episodes you've already seen; stuff happens that'll mean a lot more if viewed in chronological order.

[malephoenix]

One thing they promised us from the begininng that there was an end to this story, and I'm gonna believe them...

Another thing, I wish most of my favorite TV shows would do their finale show as a movie. The Sopranos, build it up and then do a 2 hour movie on the big screen, Lost do the same thing, 24 show me Jack Bauer on the Big Screen torturing suspects and killing terrorists and The Shield, Vic Mackey is already larger than life, up on the big screen...... man......

i still like lost and like the way the story is going, the re-runs are a bit of a drag, but i guess after tonite that won't matter!

Actually, I thought JacinB is right - didn't they come out and say that the show wouldn't be resolved completely?

[bootkneelee]

Actually, I thought JacinB is right - didn't they come out and say that the show wouldn't be resolved completely?

I watched the Season 1 DVD, and I watched all the extra stuff, and someone asked him about the X-Files and how Chris Carter did not have an ending, and he said "No, we have an ending" or something like that....

[JacinB]

I didn't say that they wouldn't have an ending. I said that they weren't going to give it to you on the television show.

They're going to drag this thing out as long as they can without telling anyone anything, or revealing anything that doesn't lead to a half-dozen more questions than it actually answers. Then, when the ratings have bottomed out (I've heard they're down 40% from this point in the season last year, by the way) and ABC is ready to cancel it, they're going to close out their final season with an announcement that all of the questions will be answered in a movie.

[EmperorNorton]

I didn't say that they wouldn't have an ending. I said that they weren't going to give it to you on the television show.

They're going to drag this thing out as long as they can without telling anyone anything, or revealing anything that doesn't lead to a half-dozen more questions than it actually answers. Then, when the ratings have bottomed out (I've heard they're down 40% from this point in the season last year, by the way) and ABC is ready to cancel it, they're going to close out their final season with an announcement that all of the questions will be answered in a movie.

That's pretty much what I have worried about since season 2 started.
While I enjoyed season 1 a lot, it already is drawn out too long.

[hail_eris]

Another thing, I wish most of my favorite TV shows would do their finale show as a movie.
See, I'm a big fan of the musical interlude as the farewell shot. The last ten minutes of Six Feet Under were incredible (I just gave myself goosebumps thinking about it). Then there was the scene in the Millennium finale (or maybe the penultimate episode - I can't remember) where they played Patti Smith's "Land of 1000 Dances" straight through in all of its ten minute long glory. Homicide did that every week. After the last commercial break, you'd get a song, played in its entirety, with little or no spoken dialogue over it. It would generally accompany a montage that tied together the events of that episode. And they used some freaking amazing music. You'd get Belly's "Full Moon, Empty Heart" wrapping up the tale of a kid who shot another kid. Tom Waits's "Cold, Cold Ground" played as the Baltimore PD began their war with the drug trade in earnest. And, for me at least, the most memorable bit was when the opening guitar strum to Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" played as a detective returned home to find that his wife had cleaned the place out and left with the kids.

[absolutvt69]

I didn't say that they wouldn't have an ending. I said that they weren't going to give it to you on the television show.

They're going to drag this thing out as long as they can without telling anyone anything, or revealing anything that doesn't lead to a half-dozen more questions than it actually answers. Then, when the ratings have bottomed out (I've heard they're down 40% from this point in the season last year, by the way) and ABC is ready to cancel it, they're going to close out their final season with an announcement that all of the questions will be answered in a movie.


I would imagine the ratings from the last two weeks would be down given that they've shown reruns from season 1. I'd be surprised if ratings for NEW episodes were down that much.

[bootkneelee]

See, I'm a big fan of the musical interlude as the farewell shot. The last ten minutes of Six Feet Under were incredible (I just gave myself goosebumps thinking about it). Then there was the scene in the Millennium finale (or maybe the penultimate episode - I can't remember) where they played Patti Smith's "Land of 1000 Dances" straight through in all of its ten minute long glory. Homicide did that every week. After the last commercial break, you'd get a song, played in its entirety, with little or no spoken dialogue over it. It would generally accompany a montage that tied together the events of that episode. And they used some freaking amazing music. You'd get Belly's "Full Moon, Empty Heart" wrapping up the tale of a kid who shot another kid. Tom Waits's "Cold, Cold Ground" played as the Baltimore PD began their war with the drug trade in earnest. And, for me at least, the most memorable bit was when the opening guitar strum to Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" played as a detective returned home to find that his wife had cleaned the place out and left with the kids.


Eris if you do not have the Six Feet Under Vol 2 Everything Ends, I bought it mainly because Sia [from Zero 7] was on it, but it has Nina Simone,Imogen Heap [from Frou Frou] and The Ceasars doing a cover of B.O.C.'s Don't Fear The Reaper [to name a few] My favorite song righ toff the bat was Sia's Breathe Me and when they played it and showed how everyone died I was almost moved to tears, and now everytime I listen to it [at least 4 times a week] well i think you know waht I'm trying to say here....

Back to LOST I agree with whomever said, that when they show the New Ones it'll pick back up... Lost is like an old flame, when the re-runs show you forget about her, but when the she comes around again [with the new ones] it's like magic all over again!

[Wyldstaar]

Finally, a new episode! Lets begin with Sun, since most of the story revolved around her. It's obvious that JJ is trying to make us think that the baby might not be Jin's. Between his 'problem', the possible affair Sun had before she left Korea and the time Jin spent away from her on the other side of The Island there's plenty of opportunity for her. Did the concerned look on her face towards the end mean she was hiding something? That seems the obvious answer, but there are alternatives. The idea of raising a child on The Island can't be too appealing. Since she was knocked unconscious a couple of days ago (to her mind, by The Others) she's surely affraid that she'll be kidnapped just as Claire was.

Then there's Gayle. This guy is seriously nuts. That little speech he gave towards the end practically screams "you'd cut my throat if you knew what was good for ya!" We know that The Others are really just putting on a show of some kind, so the fact that the balloon gets found in the next episode doesn't mean he's legit.

On a sepparate subject, doesn't it seem odd that nobody but a sellect few even seem interested in going into the bunker? With 40 odd people in the 815 camp, you'd think there would be a constant stream of people in and out of the place if for no other reason than to take a much needed hot shower. There's no guard at the entrance to prevent people from going in. The bunker isn't a secret, so that's not it either. Nobody even comes down to get out of the rain, and it rains constantly. Is it tied to the strange denial that is so pervasive throughout the survivors? Where is this denial coming from?

[absolutvt69]

I thought last night's episode was just ok. I've never been big on Sun and Jin as characters so the whole "Sun's pregnant" thing just didn't do it for me. We just had a pregnant woman. Does anyone actually think Sun will have a baby on the island? That's 8-9 months (in Lost time) when episodes usually only span days. I'm still convinced that Gail is putting on an act. His speech there at the end was just nuts (and was also what I had said earlier, that he would lead them into a trap). There wasn't a whole lot of action/answers in this one. Sawyer reading another book (Judy Bloom). I think the reason you don't see more people in the hatch is they're creeped out by it.

[Grinner]

Gotta say, if Gale isn't an Other (which I think he is) then he's one twisted, sadistic fella who gets off on pushing people's buttons, that's for sure!

[absolutvt69]

I seriously think the main thing that turned me off on last night's episode... the freaking GRAMMATICAL error during one of the subtitled scenes. When the doctor stops Sun to let her know that it was Jin that was the one who couldn't have kids it said "You're husband"... You're is a contraction for YOU ARE. I can live w/ stuff like that from people on forums and stuff but for a show that supposedly pays so much attention to little details (stuff in the background, books being read, names, etc.) for them to miss such a glaring error (my mom and I both caught it the first time) just really bugged me.

[CREED]

Gotta say, if Gale isn't an Other (which I think he is) then he's one twisted, sadistic fella who gets off on pushing people's buttons, that's for sure!


:devious: I love this Gale guy.My favorite moment came as he was pouring his granola and in a very Hannibal why starts to lay out a dangerous situation for Charlie and Co.As he finishes he says"Is there any milk?"This guy rocks.For the record-as a whole-the series is dragging and should finish soon.

[malephoenix]

These are some of my thoughts from another discussion board:

I'd like to throw a couple of theories out there that I'm surprised no one else has mentioned yet. I just finished the iTunes episode today (two days after the air date) and I was eager to get back online and catch up to see who all else thought about these same two things. (In my nerdery, I have to admit, it feels good to be the first to introduce something to the thread. Although I'm sure if I were part of a Lost website, I would NEVER be the first to think of anything.)

At any rate, first off; Sun's baby. Lost is supposedly known for throwing some curve balls, so I'm pretty sure that the dude who was teaching her English is NOT the father. Either the pregnancy is "supernatural" (Jin was healed, at least for a day; the Others did something; Rosemary's baby; etc.) or else - and I find this MUCH more likely - Michael is the father. It'd be easy to retcon in some way and say that before the end of the first season, they slept together. I dunno; I just really think that there was a reason that the scene in this episode ended with Sun and Baldy looking at each other, and not in bed.

Secondly, Henry Gale. I've been going back and forth, trying to convince myself that there is somehow going to be a good plot twist with him. I just can't see how it would happen. UNLESS I'm thinking about it the wrong way. All this time, Locke, Jack, etc. are trying to determine "Other or not Other?" Today, I thought of one way the writers could totally amaze me. Imagine this scene at the end of an episode:

Jack and Locke waking up in the Hatch from being hit from behind.
Locke: *grunt* What happened?
Jack: I'm pretty sure your pal Henry happened.
Jack feels the back of his own head, then moves over and examines the back of Locke's.
Locke: Well, I didn't see that coming.
Jack: Looks like you're fine. Maybe a minor concussion, but I'll need to check you out in more light. What do you mean? You didn't see what coming?
Locke: Henry. We knew that he was really Henry Gale because of the balloon, and we just assumed that was that. We missed it because we were focusing on whether or not he was one of the Others.
Jack: What are you saying?
Locke: ...He's both.

It would be such a great scene. (I apologize for all the flavor text - the writer in me got carried away.) Anywho, we're all going by this unwritten rule that the Others all have had to be there from before the Survivors, and kind of even assuming well before them. It would really please me if it turned out that Henry *did* crash, and his wife *did* die, but the Others were watching, and then for their own reasons (to be revealed later, naturally) they invited him to become one of them.

My alternative theory is that there *was* a Mr. and Mrs. Gale, but they fell victim to the Others, and after getting information about home and air balloon travel from the couple, they killed them, and this guy is just impersonating Gale. Hense why there will be a balloon. I like the "he's both" theory better, though.

(And the title of this post is meant to read about two *different* theories involving these two different characters. Not about theories that state Gale is the dad. ...ew.)

[Socko]

I bet the baby is Jin's and they are just messing with us.


I bet the Island fixed Jins problem like it did with Lockes legs.


and Gale is funnynuts. he a craaaazy guy!

[AZS]

I didn't say that they wouldn't have an ending. I said that they weren't going to give it to you on the television show.
... all of the questions will be answered in a movie.That's a good theory and all, and it kind of works for x-files (although they didn't really answer anything in that movie), logistically it doesn't work for Lost.

This is one of the biggest ensemble casts on any tv show. And they've all negotiated their contracts for the show (and probably for several upcoming seasons). There is no way in hell they could bankroll a movie with a cast of 20 (mostly) necessary characters, each one individually negotiating their salary (and their screen time).

JJ Abrams has been pretty up and up with his audiences on his other shows (felicity and alias) and promises that Alias will wrap up before the end of the current season.
I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do that with Lost. Well, I do see one possibility, the show does eventually drop in ratings, and is canceled out from under them. Which is kind of happening with Alias.

The difference here though is that Lost is a cultural phenomenon right now, something alias never was. It has not only the full support of the network (and is one of their tent pole shows), but is constantly talked about in entertainment news.

The show is going strong, will continue to go strong, and will end strong.

[absolutvt69]

Now this episode was more my speed. I wanted more from the Locke flashback (I kept thinking the goons were going to shoot him and cause him to lose the use of his legs). I want to go back and study the map that was on the blast door. It looked like the hatches with something in the center. Gale was bad... I knew it. Even when he was helping Locke I kept waiting for him to turn. I'm not sure why he didn't just run but he's in trouble now. Sayid's paranoia pays off. The food drop was weird. Also in the flashback, I'm sure everyone caught it, but Locke sold a house to Sayid's woman.

[Stepper79]

for the first time ever my tvio failed me and I missed the first 20 25 mins what did I miss.

absolutvt69 here is the link to the screen cap http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/SymphonyTomorrow/Screencap1.jpg

I think the lockdown occurs so the hatch people can't see the plane or what ever drops off the supplies

[Superfro]

Even better. ;)

http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg

[2Face]

I wonder what "Henry Gale" was doing when Locke couldn't find him. I don't believe that he was crawling back through the vent.

[absolutvt69]

Even better. ;)

http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg


Interesting... although it doesn't make a lot of sense (what on this show does). It again refers to the mysterious sickness though.... Does anyone think that's what Hurley's sick from next week?

[AZS]

Yeah, I don't think it was a coincidence that the rations dropped at the same time the hatch freaked out.

Few questions; were rations dropped to all the other bunkers as well?
It wouldn't make sense to only drop rations to 1 bunker.

This means that The Darma project/iniative is still very active and ongoing. If that's the case, why isn't there any other communication or contact with the facility (or at least the swan bunker)? The guy in the hatch at the beginning of season 2 was stuck there alone for years. Why wasn't he contacted or rescued or anything.

RE: Henry Gale's tall tale. I think he sent Anna to the balloon thinking she'd be satisfied with the grave. He wasn't counting on Sayid going along (or on Sayid's paranoia to the point of digging up the grave).
Related question - who burried the real Henry Gale? Clearly it was a real burrial by someone who cared.

[Superfro]

Interesting... although it doesn't make a lot of sense (what on this show does). It again refers to the mysterious sickness though.... Does anyone think that's what Hurley's sick from next week?

I don't think so. I think his "sickness" next week is on the mental side.

[Grinner]

Yeah, I don't think it was a coincidence that the rations dropped at the same time the hatch freaked out.

Few questions; were rations dropped to all the other bunkers as well?
It wouldn't make sense to only drop rations to 1 bunker.

This means that The Darma project/iniative is still very active and ongoing. If that's the case, why isn't there any other communication or contact with the facility (or at least the swan bunker)? The guy in the hatch at the beginning of season 2 was stuck there alone for years. Why wasn't he contacted or rescued or anything.

Of course, Desmond didn't seem to be completely sane either ;)

MY question is how a plane managed to fly over the island unnoticed and airdrop one or more cases without anyone seeing or hearing something.

[Superfro]

I just also want to add that last night's episode kicked 8 kinds of ###! This is why I loved the show in the first season! I sure hope it can keep this momentum through to the end of the season! I was getting way down on the show for the past few months, but last night kicked me right in the face.

[Superfro]

Yet another option for viewing. This one makes me tingle. :)

http://ten15.net/LOST/wall_tease.jpg

[clixer11]

Yeah, how did they drop that stuff. My understanding of air supply drop is a slow transport at relatively low altitude. I don't *think* pallets are meant to hit terminal velocity before the chute opens to slow the drop, but I could be wrong.

What I'm getting at is I don't think supplies can be dropped from 30,000 feet...never minding the drop might miss the whole freakin' island from that height anyway.

[absolutvt69]

I guess that's another unanswered question. I'll respond w/ a question of my own... would a plane employing stealth technology like on a stealth bomber be adequate to drop rations? If so then I can completely understand them not hearing it. I've been to a few football games where a stealth bomber flies over and even though it's in plain sight and not at a very hight altitude you can barely hear it at all.

[bootkneelee]

Yeah, how did they drop that stuff. My understanding of air supply drop is a slow transport at relatively low altitude. I don't *think* pallets are meant to hit terminal velocity before the chute opens to slow the drop, but I could be wrong.

What I'm getting at is I don't think supplies can be dropped from 30,000 feet...never minding the drop might miss the whole freakin' island from that height anyway.

In a normal place where North is North and East is East you probably have to do a "slow, low air drop" but on this islad you can do a 30,000 drop and have it land on a dime! That or they put everyone to sleep, dropped it and then woke them up! :classic:

Last nights show was off the hook! I knew Sayid was gonna dig up the grave, I would have, I had just watched Bones so when Sayid said it was a male in the grave I thought he was gonna produce the pelvis, but I guess an ID Card is just as good... :nervous:

Anyone else thought about the biggest mystery last night...bigger than the map...bigger than the walls comming down.... bigger than the supply drop.....
what's a Brother doing in an Hot Air Balloon?????????? :confused:

[Superfro]

Anyone else thought about the biggest mystery last night...bigger than the map...bigger than the walls comming down.... bigger than the supply drop.....
what's a Brother doing in an Hot Air Balloon?????????? :confused:

Holy ####! :laugh:

Dude...you just killed me! :p


My favorite line last night was Jack going all pimp mode.

"When I want the guns.....I'll get the guns."

Awesome. :cool:

[hail_eris]

would a plane employing stealth technology like on a stealth bomber be adequate to drop rations?
Not really. Pallet drops are generally done with C-130s, planes that are specifically designed with rear doors that deploy for unloading. The chute opens before the gear is even airborne (in fact, it's the drag produced by the deployed chute that pulls the pallet off the plane). The bomb bay doors on both the F-117 and B-2 wouldn't work for that kind of thing.

[bootkneelee]

Holy ####! :laugh:

Dude...you just killed me! :p


My favorite line last night was Jack going all pimp mode.

"When I want the guns.....I'll get the guns."

Awesome. :cool:

Man, I so wanted to comment on Jack but I forgot. He definitely has his "pimpness" back.. I love the way he was like "The pipes are broken, but if you want, I can walk you back down to the beach"

You know what would have been funny, if when they go through the supplies and someone burns the box of Mac and Cheese saying "I may be hungry, but I ain't that Hungry!!!!"


Fro I've been studying the "map" and man I tell you the more they tell us the more questions we have, the show is definitely back on track

Also I did not realize that that was Sayid's girl whose house Locke inspected.... everybody is connected... I just had a scary thought...what if on the very last episode, Kevin Bacon comes out and says "Congratulations, you are all connected by at least 6 degrees!!!"

[Superfro]

Also I did not realize that that was Sayid's girl whose house Locke inspected.... everybody is connected... I just had a scary thought...what if on the very last episode, Kevin Bacon comes out and says "Congratulations, you are all connected by at least 6 degrees!!!"

:p

Yeah..that was awesome about it being Sayid's lady. I'm also fairly convinced after last night that Locke's dad is the guy that conned Sawyer's dad when he was a kid. Seeing as how they scripted him as an outright con man last night.

[Wyldstaar]

Cargo air drops are also made from helicopters. A helicopter (especially at night) could make the drop without being seen or heard if it were equiped properly. The drop certainly goes a long way towards explaining a few things. Hurley's estimate on the food supply was that one person could survive comfortably on the remaining food for another six weeks. There are supposed to be two people in the hatch, so this explains the excess amount of food.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have GOT to get me a deck of Dharma Initiative playing cards!

[Superfro]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have GOT to get me a deck of Dharma Initiative playing cards!

That was my quote last night to the wife. :laugh: Hopefully they'll merch them out somewhere.

[Wyldstaar]

That was my quote last night to the wife. :laugh: Hopefully they'll merch them out somewhere.

I expect they will. If they don't, the cards will get made by bootleggers. Who knows? Maybe the real evil plot of the Dharma Initiative is to establish a merchandising empire, and that's why they put their logo on everything! I'd love to pick me up some DI mac & cheese!

[Superfro]

It would be damn funny to see a DI box in the cereal aisle. In the shapes of the logos. Maybe with number shaped marshmallows.

[Wyldstaar]

The cereal should indeed be the basic logo, but the marshmallows should be the various bunker symbols- Swan, Ceduceus, Arrow, ect. I'd buy it once just to own a box, but I can't stand cereal most of the time. It usually tastes like sugar coated cardboard.

[AZS]

Anyone else thought about the biggest mystery last night...bigger than the map...bigger than the walls comming down.... bigger than the supply drop.....
what's a Brother doing in an Hot Air Balloon?????????? :confused:As a matter of fact, YES! I was thinking about that.

Circling the world in a balloon is a rich white guy thing. Rich Black guys don't do that. (I don't know what they do, but have you ever heard of an adventurous rich black guy planning on circling the world in a balloon!?!)

I think the only real reason they 'made' him black was so you could quickly see that it was definately not the guy in custody. (So they wouldn't have to do a close up of the license, and it could be more fluid.)

[AZS]

I would SO buy a box of DI cereal.

A big plain white box with plain black text:

"Corn Flakes Food

Dharma Initiative"

(I was also thinking that dharma shaped marshmallows would be necessary.)

[Superfro]

Rich Black guys don't do that. (I don't know what they do)

They buy grillz for their teeth. At least that's what MTV tells me. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=azs]
I think the only real reason they 'made' him black was so you could quickly see that it was definately not the guy in custody. (So they wouldn't have to do a close up of the license, and it could be more fluid.)

BTW...a closeup of the license also show's the real Gale having a steet address of 815. His zip code numbers also add up to 23. Just to make us all a little bit more insane. ;)

[absolutvt69]

Holy ####! :laugh:

Dude...you just killed me! :p


My favorite line last night was Jack going all pimp mode.

"When I want the guns.....I'll get the guns."

Awesome. :cool:


Yeah for me it was a toss up between that one and Kate saying "Should I go and get a ruler?" when Sawyer and Jack were squaring off in poker. We also got to find out that Sawyer's had some "love troubles"... "I’ve been to Tallahassee. Let’s just say something was burning and it wasn’t from the sunshine.” ... Classy.

[Superfro]

I never understood why everyone let's Sawyer get away with all his BS anyway. The guy takes all the medicine and all the guns and thinks he should be in charge of determining who get's what?!? I didn't understand why everyone couldn't just stand up and say "Dude, we're gonna take the stuff back." (Well...that's what Hurley would say I guess. ;) )

Jack's line said it all for me last night though. Becaue they're treating Sawyer like a child. Let him have his stuff to shut him up, knowing that when they actually need the stuff they'll just go and take it anyway. Awesome.

[AZS]

Yeah, I don't get the sawyer thing either.
Like... doesn't he need food? Isn't the fresh water in the caves (or the hatch)?
Every time he wants anything to each, charge him something out of his stash. He set the standard for bartering, throw it back in his face.

As for taking the guns when they need them, I figured that’s what would happen anyway.

[bootkneelee]

As a matter of fact, YES! I was thinking about that.

Circling the world in a balloon is a rich white guy thing. Rich Black guys don't do that. (I don't know what they do, but have you ever heard of an adventurous rich black guy planning on circling the world in a balloon!?!)

I think the only real reason they 'made' him black was so you could quickly see that it was definately not the guy in custody. (So they wouldn't have to do a close up of the license, and it could be more fluid.)


Yeah, and knowing how they do flashbacks you knwo that "brotha" knows or ran into someone on the island...before arriving to said "Island"

Also "Rich Black Dudes" just try to keep their money.....

When "Henry" made Locke swear he'd protect him, no matter what, that sealed the deal that he was a phony, you never give anyone you word unconditionally. I was thinking Locke should have said "As long as you are who you say you are I will protect you"

Speaking of Locke's dad the hustler, I thought he was Rich, why would some one "Rich" need to hustle some one out of 700 grand? To me that does not seem like a lot of money to fake your death over. But then again most of us on this here board would fake our death over a mint condition of _______________ [fill in your geek addiction here] :cool:

[Wyldstaar]

Locke's vow to protect "Henry" doesn't mean much in the scheme of things. Besides, Locke promised to protect Henry Gale. This guy isn't Henry Gale, so he's off the hook. Locke would have said ANYTHING to make sure that the code was entered. As it is, 'Henry' made another big mistake last night. He went just a little too far when he made another comment about the status of Jack and Locke, and this time Locke didn't buy into it. He saw what 'Henry' was doing this time, and Locke is awfully touchy about being manipulated. He got enough of that from his father. He and Jack may not see eye to eye on a number of things, but Jack has never tried to manipulate Locke. John also told 'Henry' flat out that he'd be going back into the vault anyway.

[Superfro]

As it is, 'Henry' made another big mistake last night. He went just a little too far when he made another comment about the status of Jack and Locke, and this time Locke didn't buy into it. He saw what 'Henry' was doing this time, and Locke is awfully touchy about being manipulated.

I also loved that part! Finally Locke saw this guy for what he was. It was bugging me by letting the guy get to him before that point. Faker Henry said his line last night and the look from Locke was awesome.

Too much good stuff in those 45 minutes last night. :cool:

[lobo1]

I betcha Sun's baby comes out black. LOL!!!

How about Locke getting his newly used legs smashed underneath the doors. I don't know about you guys but Locke is really starting to piss me off. He needs to sit back and let Jack handle things. He just has this whole authority complex over him.

cheers

[Superfro]

I came across this pic while looking at other Lost stuff. Somebody did a mock up of Fake Henry vs. one of the doctors that we saw during Claire's epidsode a few weeks ago.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/cardinalschic/Lost/lost_doctor_v_gale.jpg

Definitely interesting. ;)

[bootkneelee]

I came across this pic while looking at other Lost stuff. Somebody did a mock up of Fake Henry vs. one of the doctors that we saw during Claire's epidsode a few weeks ago.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/cardinalschic/Lost/lost_doctor_v_gale.jpg

Definitely interesting. ;)



Seems like you are saying that "All white guys look alike" :noid:

[malephoenix]

Seems like you are saying that "All white guys look alike" :noid:

Don't we????



Seriously, though; that's extremely weak. It really could be just about any thin guy with dark hair.

[Superfro]

Seems like you are saying that "All white guys look alike" :noid:

You know what they say.....

"If the glove fits, you must......."

Wait....that's something else. :p

[bootkneelee]

You know what they say.....

"If the glove fits, you must......."

Wait....that's something else. :p


What, that the gloves are too small to fit a brotha's fingers?



:rolleyes: :tired: :noid: ;)

[Wyldstaar]

I betcha Sun's baby comes out black. LOL!!!

How about Locke getting his newly used legs smashed underneath the doors. I don't know about you guys but Locke is really starting to piss me off. He needs to sit back and let Jack handle things. He just has this whole authority complex over him.

cheers

It looked like only one of Locke's legs was injured. It didn't look as though the bone was broken, and there wasn't much bleeding after the door came up. It hurt him pretty bad, but I don't think it caused any permanent damage.

As for leaving Jack to it, the situation isn't that simple. If Locke genuinely believes that Jack is taking actions that are not for the best, he shouldn't just stand there and be a yes man. Jack has been just plain wrong on a number of occasions. He's only human, so that's to be expected. Locke isn't always right either.

[Socko]

well the whole incident with Henry Gale and Mr Eko is making a lot more sense. (the part where he cut off his goatee and told him to deliver a message)

[Stepper79]

Entertainment weekly does an online breakdow of the map kinda neat

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178388_3_0_,00.html

[Komixfrk75]

Interesting.....So Hurley and Libby were in the asylum together. And Libby isn't a doctor after all.....

[cattmoe]

The thing is, as long as I've been watching this show - pretty much from the beginning - you'd think I'd have some guess as to what's going on. Just something.

But I don't.

I have no idea. There is so much stuff going on here, and so many red herrings - too much to connect , and too many ways to connect them. The writers are just brilliant, that's all there is to it. It's every bit as addictive as it was last year. maybe DARMA is a psuedonym for ABC and their grand plan is to just keep everyone watching....

[Stepper79]

best mind #%&* yet we will now spend every episode second guessing as to wether or not its all in Hurley's mind Absolutly brilliant.

[absolutvt69]

I did know that Dave was fake all along. Fight Club got me w/ that once, it won't happen again. This episode really messed w/ your head. I can't wait to hear more about Gale. He seems really paranoid. Nice to know Rupert isn't the leader. Interesting that Gale knows about Walt... why is he so freaking important????

[Superfro]

BooYah!

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1903297&postcount=456

I will have to say that the stuff with Dave was painfully obvious and not really that big of a shock. Although it might have something to do with the past 5 years of those big "twist" ending movies that have made me cynical to that type of stuff anymore.

Loved what little interaction we saw of the Hatch Patch, and I liked the twist at the end. While I figured something was up, I hadn't actually thought of that. Nice.

[absolutvt69]

And what about Gale saying "God can't see this place anymore than the rest of the world can".. that was definitely weird.

[lobo1]

I cought on that the Dave guy was fake early in the episode. I guess that is Hurleys alternate ego. It was definitely a twisting episode. They really went into a weird direction with Hurley's character and a good one at that. Libby will be an interesting character now also.


*Semi Spoiler Alert*












*At the end of the episode I thought Hurley was going to take Libby down with him when he was threatening to jump. Now that would have really messed with peoples heads to kill 2 characters off at once.

Next weeks episode is going to be great, you see Jack calling out those "other" fools. Jack's goona beat some ###!!! It's also great to see Locke all injured too. He needs to sit and take a rest. He is also buying into Henry Gales lies again.

cheers

[Superfro]

*At the end of the episode I thought Hurley was going to take Libby down with him when he was threatening to jump. Now that would have really messed with peoples heads to kill 2 characters off at once.

I actually joked that after his reveal of killing those 2 people on that dock that the ground should give way where they were standing and Libby should fall to her death. :laugh: But I'm a jerk. :p


Next weeks episode is going to be great, you see Jack calling out those "other" fools. Jack's goona beat some ###!!!

I have hope, but all I see is a lot of buildup to little or no payoff, like they're fond of doing. I'll be happy when I see the actions happen. :cheeky:

[szude]

Interesting.....So Hurley and Libby were in the asylum together. And Libby isn't a doctor after all.....

I remember when Hurley first said "do I know you?", I thought immediately of his psych ward time and figured that had to be it.

And yeah, the Dave thing was pretty appararent. I actually said, what if Dave isn't real, a la Fight Club?

[Grinner]

Interesting.....So Hurley and Libby were in the asylum together. And Libby isn't a doctor after all.....

One does not necessarily follow from the other - just because Libby was in the asylum does not automatically preclude her from being a psychologist. Would a flashback of Jack in a hospital suddenly mean he wasn't a doctor? Nope, just that he was a patient at some time.

[Wyldstaar]

I'm with Grinner on this one. I think she probably is a trained psychologist. That doesn't necessarily mean that she had a mental breakdown and committed herself. Hurley was in for that sort of thing, and they don't like to do the same thing with their characters. Some people wind up in psych wards because they're found not guilty by reason of mental defect and are sentanced to spend time there. I wonder what happened to the last guy Libbey became infatuated with?

[bootkneelee]

I'm with Grinner on this one. I think she probably is a trained psychologist. That doesn't necessarily mean that she had a mental breakdown and committed herself. Hurley was in for that sort of thing, and they don't like to do the same thing with their characters. Some people wind up in psych wards because they're found not guilty by reason of mental defect and are sentanced to spend time there. I wonder what happened to the last guy Libbey became infatuated with?


Also some people's family members have them committed to stealtheir money or wht have you, also, If you are a Psych Doc it's possible that other peoples problems can overcome and consume you and you can commit yourself. Theyr are a million and 1 different reasonsfor somone being in the "looney bin!"

When the Doc took the picture of Dave and Hurley in the back of my mind I said "what if he's not in the picture?" [Same thing happen in Fight Club] But it was great none-the less!

Poor Hurley, What can be worse than getting rid of all your food than to have food dropped on the island again....I don't know...maybe getting rid of all your drugs only to find a plane full of drugs!!!! :p This is one cold Island!

I still think that "Gale" is playing them, they showed scenes for next week show and he had that evil grin on his face, he's still playing them. I lovedthe fact that he told Locke that he did not push the button and nothing happened.

Back to Hurley, I cheered when he gave Sawyer the beat down and proceeded to repeat all the fat names Sawyer had used with each punch. Sawyer so desearved it, and Jin laughing before helping Sawyer....Priceless!

And speaking of Sawyer, how about him telling people to be civilized when they were grabbing the supplies... to quote Alanis "Isn't that Ironic?"

All in All that was a great episode and the connections are getting freakier by the episode!!!!

[krusticlese]

What if Henry Gale was teling Locke the truth and the only reason they got the food drop was because the button wasn't pressed?

If the lockdown was a regular occurance on the island (as the map would lead you to belive) then unless all of the other folks had the presence of mind to move to the control room (Desmond and his buddy) when the lockdown happened, they wouldn't have gotten to the computer either, unless they all crawled through the air duct as well.

[Superfro]

The part I dont understand is if they were suppossed to be locked in the hatch how did the food drops serve any purpose?

[Wyldstaar]

The part I dont understand is if they were suppossed to be locked in the hatch how did the food drops serve any purpose?

Desmond didn't seem to have any difficulty opening the front door of the hatch when he fled, so I would assume that it was used routinely to load the new stocks of food and supplies. He didn't worry about being infected because he took the injections every day. He could go outside to bring them in without worry. Don't forget that the sound system was trying to notify the occupants of the hatch about something, but it was malfunctioning before the lockdown occured. Perhaps it was notifying them to station someone in the computer room to maintain their vigil. The lockdown itself was probably done to protect the computer room from the boost to the magnetic field.

[Superfro]

Ah yes....I had completely forgotten about the injections. Thanks for the reminder.

[bootkneelee]

Ah yes....I had completely forgotten about the injections. Thanks for the reminder.

So when supplies get low..... they warning comes, you kow that there will be a "lockdown" you stay away from where the walls will come down.... they do just that.... and then after the drop has been made, they go back up, you go get the food, and get back in..... I can believe that....

[absolutvt69]

I honestly don't know what's going on anymore. Just about any theory you can come up with you can provide some sort of evidence/rationale behind it. I really hope Walt comes back soon. It's so weird to have him be such a key part of the plot and yet he hasn't been on the show in months.

[Wyldstaar]

Ah yes....I had completely forgotten about the injections. Thanks for the reminder.


The minor details that allow us to glean insight into what's going on are stacking up at a monsterous rate. I'm sure there's a list of them all on one of the dedicated Lost sites, but I'm just not that obsessive. I figure if I don't remember it, there's someone else around here on this thread who does and vice versa. I can't imagine what the story bible for Lost must look like!

[AZS]

Hi.
Could someone please fill me in on what happened in the last 4 minutes of the show last night?
I was at dinner, and TiVo failed to record through 10:04. :(

I imagine there was some big reveal or exciting event that's setting us up for next week.

[Zatara55]

Locke was shown sketching the dark light map.
Jack and Kate were having a moment in the jungle when Micheal comes stumbling out and collaspes at their feet.

[absolutvt69]

Hi.
Could someone please fill me in on what happened in the last 4 minutes of the show last night?
I was at dinner, and TiVo failed to record through 10:04. :(

I imagine there was some big reveal or exciting event that's setting us up for next week.


The biggest thing is Michael is back!

[Superfro]

The biggest thing is Michael is back!

My first quick view of this line had me reading:

"The biggest thing is Michael is black!" :laugh:

Shocking! :p

[absolutvt69]

My first quick view of this line had me reading:

"The biggest thing is Michael is black!" :laugh:

Shocking! :p


He'd been gone so long I'd forgotten... Anyone else notice Vincent the dog just randomly appear... where's he been??? Think he was following Michael?

[hail_eris]

Jack and Kate were having a moment in the jungle when Micheal comes stumbling out and collaspes at their feet.
They should have had him roll out of the jungle in Locke's wheelchair to give closure to the "Men from Oz" story arc...

[Wyldstaar]

In Locke's final scene it looked as though something had finally clicked in his head, and he was drawing an accurate diagram of the map. Of course, all he's likely to get is the basic map itself along with the corresponding symbols. Unfortunately for us, the only bunkers that had symbols on the map were the ones we already knew about- Arrow and Caduceus. I'm most curious about the bunker that seems to have been crossed out. Does that mean that it's been destroyed, the map maker couldn't find it, or he/she only believed it wasn't a working bunker. Perhaps the marks through the bunker are meant to indicate that it's been flooded, and this bunker is the source of the sharks featuring the DI symbol which guard the surrounding waters?

[JacinB]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. DI has tattooed sharks with their logos and have them swimming only in the surrounding waters to guard the island ... ?!

[Wyldstaar]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. DI has tattooed sharks with their logos and have them swimming only in the surrounding waters to guard the island ... ?!

I didn't say only, you said it. I just stated that they guard the waters surrounding The Island. They DO guard the area. That's all we know so far, and I don't have enough information to speculate further. You're just reading too much into the statement.

[bootkneelee]

We know that the Island has cured at least 2 survivors {Locke & Rose]}, but continues to tempt you with your addiction {Hurley - Food and Charlie - Drugs}

We know that Mr. Ecko is indeed building a Church, that Michale is alive and well [and ready to go to war]

That "Henry" is still playing games with Locke's mind.

and let's see.... that's all I can think of at this time.... good episode last night, can't wait for next weeks.... more action is comming our way...

[Wyldstaar]

Did anyone else catch the big black rock at the edge of the clearing which represents the border between the 815 side of The Island and Dark Territory? Significant? I don't believe in cooincidences when it comes to this story.

[Socko]

I think the Island cured Jins reproductive problem too, making my theory that suns baby really is jins seem more possible.

[Wyldstaar]

I think the Island cured Jins reproductive problem too, making my theory that suns baby really is jins seem more possible.


Good point. I'm inclined to agree.

[Grinner]

He'd been gone so long I'd forgotten... Anyone else notice Vincent the dog just randomly appear... where's he been??? Think he was following Michael?

Y'know, when he popped up to eat Sawyer's food I actually said to my wife, "Hey, we haven't seen Vincent in so long I'd forgotten about him. Where'd he come from?"

[Socko]

I have wanted a vincent episode since I got into this show.



which was the beginning. :p

It would be vincentric. :noid:

[bootkneelee]

I think the Island cured Jins reproductive problem too, making my theory that suns baby really is jins seem more possible.

Here Here! I agree also, I like the fact that the Healer Down Under stated that there are special places in the world that can heal a person, also he mentioned that they were magnetic....and that he admitted to not being able to cure her and being willing to give the money back.

[Wyldstaar]

I just noticed something today. The various suppiles with the DI logo all have the Swan in the center. I can understand them all having the DI logo on them, but putting the Swan there seems odd to me. Does (did) the Dharma Initiative actually go to the trouble of printing packages with different logos for the other bunkers on The Island? If so, why?

[hotwaffleman]

i really like the healing aspect of the island. that really ties a lot of the reads together. why it's a secret island, why john walks, maybe even what the button is for. what if the button is the key to the healing powers. now that slimey ol henry, said he didn't push the button, it makes me think that they really need to keep doing it. aw ####...the button is evil!

[krusticlese]

Y'know, when he popped up to eat Sawyer's food I actually said to my wife, "Hey, we haven't seen Vincent in so long I'd forgotten about him. Where'd he come from?"

I've said it from the very first episode, and I'll stand by it.


I don't trust that dog.

In the first episode, when Shannon, Saied, Charlie and the lot go into the jungle to get a better signal from the receiver, Vincient is lurking in the trees watching what they are doing while some very ominious music plays.

I don't buy for a second that a dog would have been able to survive a plane crash. We've already seen a "clone" of the horse from Kate's past, if this horse was created on the island, could it stand to reason that Vincent could have been placed/cloned there as well?

And prehaps Vincent has been keeping tabs on the survivors and reporting to the Others. He's dissapeared for several episodes at a stretch sometimes.

We know there was animal experimentation on the Island, prehaps one experiment involved domestic animals getting behind enemy lines and somehow having the ability to report their findings back to base.

Watch the dog, he's got shifty eyes. :devious:

[GreenLantrn128]

My theory about this next episode is... Spoilers Maybe




Michael returns back to camp(which we all know from the preview) BUT...

He has actually turned into a bad guy (one of the "Others") and wants the camp to come with him to get back his son and then he will lead them into a trap of some sort..

Well, maybe not all next episode, but sometime this season I think that that will happen.


I'm still confused about Henry Gale (although that isn't his name)... I dont know how he will work in the plot unless Jack does use him as a trade.

[Wyldstaar]

My theory about this next episode is... Spoilers Maybe




Michael returns back to camp(which we all know from the preview) BUT...

He has actually turned into a bad guy (one of the "Others") and wants the camp to come with him to get back his son and then he will lead them into a trap of some sort..

Well, maybe not all next episode, but sometime this season I think that that will happen.


I'm still confused about Henry Gale (although that isn't his name)... I dont know how he will work in the plot unless Jack does use him as a trade.

I wouldn't say that Michael will turn into a bad guy, but it's certainly possible that he's been approached by The Others. I wouldn't put it past them to use Walt as leverage to manipulate Michael into furthering their goals (whatever they may be).

As for Henry, I'm not expecting much more out of him any time soon. I'd be surprised if he's still alive by the end of season two.

[ReZourceman]

WOOOHOOO.

Ahem. Ive finally caught up with Lost. I was really disapointed with the middle episodes (Episodes 8-16 really) but 17 got me back into it again, I really loved that episode.

[GreenLantrn128]

which episode was 17?

[ReZourceman]

which episode was 17?

"Lockdown"

or Lockedown As I like to call it. ;)

[GreenLantrn128]

Yes!

Today is New Episode, though my bro said that the previews look like it sucks

but, it is the 1st of 4 new episodes

[bootkneelee]

Yes!

Today is New Episode, though my bro said that the previews look like it sucks

but, it is the 1st of 4 new episodes


Don't care, they can have ManBearPig on the damn Island for all I care, jsut as long as it's
1] New
2] they answer at least one question
and finally
3] come up with at least 5 new mysteries!

I'm a sucker for lost!!!!!

[PirateNinja]

Some Others are gonna get capped...

[PirateNinja]

SPOILERS




Micheal is a ####ing bad guy.


Oddly enough, he killed the two people on the show who got arrested and needed jail time...That's odd.

This show has gone downhill and I'm sick of their cheap plotlines and exit plans.

[GreenLantrn128]

My theory about this next episode is... Spoilers Maybe




Michael returns back to camp(which we all know from the preview) BUT...

He has actually turned into a bad guy (one of the "Others") and wants the camp to come with him to get back his son and then he will lead them into a trap of some sort..

Well, maybe not all next episode, but sometime this season I think that that will happen.


I'm still confused about Henry Gale (although that isn't his name)... I dont know how he will work in the plot unless Jack does use him as a trade.

close enough :p

[PirateNinja]

I'm done with Lost now. This is just stupid.

[PirateNinja]

I think I have it figured out.

Henry said that Ana Lucia killed two good people.

The others gave Micheal an option; kill two in their camp and get his son back.

Still, it's stupid. I'm done with it. I swear!

[GreenLantrn128]

I Find it wierd that he is only going for the people on the back end of the plane(maybe the others convinvced him) but he looked friggen shocked when he did that.

I am happy that they werent like " Next week, a character will die" or #### like that

[absolutvt69]

SPOILERS




Micheal is a ####ing bad guy.


Oddly enough, he killed the two people on the show who got arrested and needed jail time...That's odd.

This show has gone downhill and I'm sick of their cheap plotlines and exit plans.


So stop watching it? Seriously though is it the producers fault if an actor gets put in jail and they're forced to write around that? People have been calling for A-L's head since day 1.. they finally got it. I don't know if Libby's dead yet or not. I definitely didn't see it coming. I thought it was a pretty good episode but like I said if you're tired of the show... don't watch it...

[absolutvt69]

I Find it wierd that he is only going for the people on the back end of the plane(maybe the others convinvced him) but he looked friggen shocked when he did that.

I am happy that they werent like " Next week, a character will die" or #### like that


I don't think he was "going after" anyone in particular. A-L had the gun... Libby just happened to walk in (and he knew there could be no witnesses). I assume he's cut some sort of deal w/ the Others but we'll see.

[absolutvt69]

I think I have it figured out.

Henry said that Ana Lucia killed two good people.

The others gave Micheal an option; kill two in their camp and get his son back.

Still, it's stupid. I'm done with it. I swear!


Seriously if you're just going to rant about how stupid it is, make your own topic.

[PirateNinja]

What's the name of this thread?

Oh, it's LOST?

Just checkin'.

[Wyldstaar]

Well, I called this one a page or two ago. Michael is being blackmailed by The Others to lead the "bad ones" into a trap.

Did anyone else catch the "commercial" that was shown during the actual commercials?

[hulkamania85]

Is tonight a new episode?

[AZS]

Did anyone else catch the "commercial" that was shown during the actual commercials?I have Comcast DVR, I don't watch comercials.

:cool:

[Wyldstaar]

I have Comcast DVR, I don't watch comercials.

:cool:

I guess this is one of those "see what you miss if you skip the commercials" ploys the networks are starting to come up with to combat TIVO and DVRs.

Check it out! (theHansoFoundation.org)

[absolutvt69]

What's the name of this thread?

Oh, it's LOST?

Just checkin'.


Lost DISCUSSION not WHINE about how you don't like the show. The thread is obviously for fans to talk about the show, not have to defend why they like it.

[Superfro]

Wow. I really feel like it's hard to for me to be shocked by shows much anymore, but the ending tonight completely floored me. My wife and I were watching and the split second after AL handed Michael that gun I barely got out "HOLY ####!" because I all of a sudden realized what was about to happen. :eek:

I was certainly down on the show and the pace for the middle of the season. It even felt like it was being done by a different team. Something I couldn't place my finger on. But ever since the Lockdown episode it's been balls to the walls and I can't wait for the next 3 weeks. :cool:

Shooting AL? Shooting Libby? Showing Mike turn the gun on himself to setup Henry's escape? It was like rapid fire jaw dropping!

[hulkamania85]

Is tonight a new episode?


Well there sure was me from two hours ago, and how!

I was a little surprised by that ending, but when he said "I'm sorry" I had a feeling she was getting shot, but not fatally. I thought he would just shoot her in the leg to keep her from stopping him or something.

I was surprised by Libby biting it too, but with both of them getting in trouble I guess the writers decided to cut both of them loose.

Didn't make me jump out of my seat like Adama being shot at the end of BSG season 1.

[hulkamania85]

I was rooting for Michael last season but after he shot the fat man's chance at finally getting some, I was hoping he'd decide to get a taste of that gun.

[krusticlese]

Did you catch the commercial for the Hanso Foundation?

I tried calling the number (1-877-HANSORG) but the circuits have been busy all night.

This was hands down one of the most unexpected turns of the entire show thus far.

So assuming that Michael actually was around the Others long enough to make a deal with them (let Henry Gale go), what else does he know about them?

And who is Jack's long-lost half sister? My first guess was that it was Claire. I didn't recgonize the woman that Jack's father was talking to, but I don't think we've seen Claire's parents in any flashbacks as of yet either.

[lobo1]

And who is Jack's long-lost half sister? My first guess was that it was Claire. I didn't recgonize the woman that Jack's father was talking to, but I don't think we've seen Claire's parents in any flashbacks as of yet either.

That's a great point and it's funny that you mention that because that's who I thought was at the door, Claire. But then I say what she looked like and realized it wasn't her.

I do think if only one person dies it will be AL. She got into alot more trouble than Libby for DUI, probation violation I think it was. Besides, Rodriguez is a somewhat accomplished movie actress and still has a decent career. I think Lost was only gonna be short term for her anyway. Libbys character is too important to lose now, especially after that trippy Hurley episode.

And why is it when someone dies it always seems to be something Locke had done. If Locke hadn't lied to Jack about how AL was attacked by Henry "the other" Gale, he would've never left her alone with him.

I'm a little upset by the ending also but I'm not going to stop watching the show, it is too darn addicting. I really hope that Michael gets what's coming to him though, he seems very selfish about everything since day 1. Another thing that sucks is who's going to help train this "army" Jack wanted AL to do. We'll just have to see who bites the duct next week and my moneys on AL.

cheers

[Grinner]

<doing the Snoopy happy dance> She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: <end dance>

Okay, now that I have that out of my system.

Anyone else notice the irony/symetry of Anna Lucia getting shot & dying in an episode where she was the flashback, just like when Shannon got killed?

I don't think Libby's dead, though. From a storyline aspect she has too much with Hurley to write her off yet. From a practical aspect, it was a low gut-shot, there was something in the way to slow the bullets and we didn't see any blood.

[GreenLantrn128]

<doing the Snoopy happy dance> She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: She's dead! :grin: <end dance>

Okay, now that I have that out of my system.

Anyone else notice the irony/symetry of Anna Lucia getting shot & dying in an episode where she was the flashback, just like when Shannon got killed?

I don't think Libby's dead, though. From a storyline aspect she has too much with Hurley to write her off yet. From a practical aspect, it was a low gut-shot, there was something in the way to slow the bullets and we didn't see any blood.

I think Libby is dead because she is going to play a character in pilot. i think

[cattmoe]

I was surprised by Libby biting it too, but with both of them getting in trouble I guess the writers decided to cut both of them loose.
[/spoiler].


What do you mean by "getting in trouble?" Like, their characters had trouble in the past (and were thus deemed "bad people" by the Others) or do you mean the actual actresses got in trouble in real-life and thus needed to be cut from the show?

[PirateNinja]

They both got arrested for driving while drunk.

Michelle just got a heavier fine.

So they were both shot.

[absolutvt69]

Moral of the story.. if you don't want to get killed off, keep your nose clean. I really hope that's not the last we've seen of Libby though... her connection to Hurley still needs to be explained.

[AZS]

I think Libby is dead because she is going to play a character in pilot. i think
Yes, the actress who plays Libby was cast to co-star in a pilot show for another network next season.
They've been trying to play that down (saying she's just a bit character) but her name is on the production as 'co-star.'
However, pilots have a nasty way of either not getting picked up, or dropped after just a couple of episodes.
Even so, a lot of people knew she was leaving the show. This just seemed like a last second (and easy) way to get rid of her.


BTW, Micheal would have been SOL if Anna Lucia had actually gone through with it and killed henry gale. Funny how her own concience got her killed.

[Stepper79]

has anyone else played around on the new hasno Site?? I found the number but its busy the main lost message boards posted the password for the newsletter area

[Wyldstaar]

I goofed around there for a bit. Some odd stuff, but nothing all that interesting really. Another odd thing though- There's a tie-in novel out recently called Bad Twin by Gary Troup, the manuscript for which was supposedly delievered to the publisher just before the author disappeared when his plane to Los Angeles disappeared over the Pacific after leaving Sydney.

[bootkneelee]

I missed the highpoint [or lowpoint to some] last night, at 9:03 my tape switched over to Law & Order so the last thing I saw was the obvious fact that AL did not kill Henry, and after ready everything I see what happened.

Well every since it came out that they got busted for DUI's on the "Island" I knew they were not to be on the show long... Funny how everyone hated AL but now that she's gone people seem to be upset...I guess you can't miss your water till your well runs dry.

I will continute to watch LOST cause I need to know what's what.

[clixer11]

BTW, Micheal would have been SOL if Anna Lucia had actually gone through with it and killed henry gale. Funny how her own concience got her killed.

Interesting. Also, is this yet another death that occurred after the person cleaned up their act?


Oh, and a small point. It is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS that Sawyer did not notice his weapon was missing. He would have felt the missing weight.

Not a big deal, but I hope the writers get back to keeping things airtight. Another thing still bothering me is the phantom airdrop.

As far as Libby's survival...it is possible. The gun, if it is still the one carried by the law dude, probably has hollow points in it. It's not outside the realm of possibility that the blankets would cause the bullets to mushroom out prematurely and drastically reduce their penetration (and lethality).

Of course, she lives or dies by writer's whim...

[Wyldstaar]

For Libby to survive, she would require major surgery immediately. She would also require a blood transfusion or two. Jack may be capable of performing the surgery, but he doesn't have the instruments necessary to undertake the operation. If he did, Jack would have done so for Boone and the Marshal.

[GreenLantrn128]

what is the hanso foundation?

[absolutvt69]

For Libby to survive, she would require major surgery immediately. She would also require a blood transfusion or two. Jack may be capable of performing the surgery, but he doesn't have the instruments necessary to undertake the operation. If he did, Jack would have done so for Boone and the Marshal.


A blood transfusion? We didn't even see any blood coming from her. We didn't even see the bullet holes in her body... I just found it interesting that they decided to shoot her where she was holding the blanket. They could have had her get popped in the chest twice and there would have been no doubt. She may very well be dead (I mean it's been speculated that just about everyone who has died on the show isn't really dead) but the circumstances give cause for people to be unsure. Also didn't Jack DO a blood transfusion on Boone using one of the spines of an urchin as a needle?

[GreenLantrn128]

OK, here is my brothers theory,

The Others are actually good guys.
They have been capturing the kids and putting them in safety.
Henry Gale went to get Locke and rescue him.
So what he is saying is that the others want to save the good people.

I Dont like the theory because:1) that would pretty much ruin the show. 2) I still think that Michael has been convinced by the others to kill people.
I think that the previews showed Ecko falling down a cliff. So, I said earlier that Mike went for the back end of plane people though he still could go for everyone else

[GreenLantrn128]

now, can someone help me with tellin me what tha hanso thing is?
I saw the comercial but i dont understand it

[Wyldstaar]

now, can someone help me with tellin me what tha hanso thing is?
I saw the comercial but i dont understand it

The Hanso Foundation was first referanced in the training film that Desmond showed to Locke and Jack. The Dharma Group would seem to be a subsidiary of the Hanso Foundation.

[absolutvt69]

OK, here is my brothers theory,

The Others are actually good guys.
They have been capturing the kids and putting them in safety.
Henry Gale went to get Locke and rescue him.
So what he is saying is that the others want to save the good people.

I Dont like the theory because:1) that would pretty much ruin the show. 2) I still think that Michael has been convinced by the others to kill people.
I think that the previews showed Ecko falling down a cliff. So, I said earlier that Mike went for the back end of plane people though he still could go for everyone else


Well the thing is "Good" and "Bad" are relative terms. I'm sure Hitler didn't think of himself as the "bad guy". Al Queda (sp) thinks they're doing the right thing. History is written by the winners and they're going to make themselves look good and their enemies look bad. The Others may think they're good yet when it comes to killing and kidnapping they seem to think the ends justify the means. On this island good and bad have no concrete definition.

[kwsazul]

Great episode. I wonder if the two characters were planned to bite it and they just fast tracked their deaths or if they were written off b/c of outside problems.

I called Michael being the traitor as soon as he magically 'appeared' out the jungle. Somehow managing to get away from the Others. I knew he was lying as soon as he said that they were living in huts and tents?!? WTF?!?! Why didn't that set alarms off for Kate or Jack knowing that the whole castaway thing was a ruse. Yes once again someone 'dies' when they are at peace with themselves, very interesting episode. Who is Jack's half sister? Who is 'he' that Gale keeps referring to? What role is/did Jack's father playing in all of this? I look forward to next week. I think this is the first episode in a while where the promo wasn't just BS, a traitor was revealed and one of the castaways dies. Hopefully they are done stringing us along and we can get some real answers by the end of the season.


-K

[cattmoe]

Who is 'he' that Gale keeps referring to? What role is/did Jack's father playing in all of this?
-K

Huh, I didn't know about the DUI's.... I was pretty sure AL would die but Libby would live but maybe not?

One thing I thought about after last night's episode... Jack's father seems to be connected to everyone somehow.... maybe he is the "he" Gale keeps referring to? I know he supposedly died but, eh, that could easily have been a red herring. I dunno, just a thought.

[bootkneelee]

Huh, I didn't know about the DUI's.... I was pretty sure AL would die but Libby would live but maybe not?

One thing I thought about after last night's episode... Jack's father seems to be connected to everyone somehow.... maybe he is the "he" Gale keeps referring to? I know he supposedly died but, eh, that could easily have been a red herring. I dunno, just a thought.


I thought it was amusing that when Jacks' Dad and AL were sitting in the car and he opened the door hit hit Sawyer with it.... forget 6 degress of seperation it's more like 2 degrees with this bunch!

[clixer11]

maybe he is the "he" Gale keeps referring to? I know he supposedly died but, eh, that could easily have been a red herring. I dunno, just a thought.

Now that would be interesting. Didn't we get some dialogue between Jack and a clerk about rushing his Dad home...no funeral home...so was there an autopsy?

Hmmm

[Thawmus]

Also didn't Jack DO a blood transfusion on Boone using one of the spines of an urchin as a needle?

You are correct, sir.

[wonderboy]

Did anyone find the fact that "Henry" was sent to get Locke as his mission to be very interesting?

And also the talk about the man in charge of the others being a brilliant man, but an unforgiving man? Anyone think Locke's father could be THE man in charge?

[Thawmus]

Did anyone find the fact that "Henry" was sent to get Locke as his mission to be very interesting?

And also the talk about the man in charge of the others being a brilliant man, but an unforgiving man? Anyone think Locke's father could be THE man in charge?

Considering that he still opens himself up to get betrayed at the drop of a hat, despite his past....yeah, it's a possibility....

[bootkneelee]

BTW, Micheal would have been SOL if Anna Lucia had actually gone through with it and killed henry gale. Funny how her own concience got her killed.


Okay I just watched the last 10 minutes at my girls house cause whwn I recorded it I missed the last 10 minutes

Now AL could not Kill Henry, but she was willing to let Michael kill him, that is the same thing if not worse, I'm thinking it was a test and she failed. Had she not given the gun to Michael who knows what would have happened.

I feel for Michael, I have 2 sons and I hope I never find out what I would or would not do for them. people alwasy say "i'd never do that" but until someone has a knife at the throat of someone you love, you don't know what you would or would not do.

The trick in life is never finding out what your breaking point is....

[Socko]

This was my "Did not see that coming" face: :eek:

though I kinda thought they would be going after the DWI thing.

[Wyldstaar]

Now AL could not Kill Henry, but she was willing to let Michael kill him, that is the same thing if not worse, I'm thinking it was a test and she failed. Had she not given the gun to Michael who knows what would have happened.

I feel for Michael, I have 2 sons and I hope I never find out what I would or would not do for them. people alwasy say "i'd never do that" but until someone has a knife at the throat of someone you love, you don't know what you would or would not do.

The trick in life is never finding out what your breaking point is....

I don't think Michael was testing A-L. She made a personal decision, and was willing to allow Michael to make that same decision for himself. If the situation was reversed, and Michael found himself unable to kill 'Henry', A-L would likely have offered to do it for him as well. She didn't know going in that she wouldn't be able to do it, or she wouldn't have gone to such lengths to get the gun.

It's about Michael wanting to do whatever it takes to get Walt back, although I'm sure it's not that simple either. It never is with this show :eek:

[hotwaffleman]

yep. i knew micheal was lying but i think that he's been programmed by the others (since they have the whole psycological initiative thing goin). i kinda expected AL to die since see has a deal with stan lee in '07. i DID NOT expect libby to bite it. although maybe there was something under the blanket that could deflect the bullet...maybe. it is funny though that those two were the ones busted for drunk driving in hawaii. i think libby might live though since they haven't done her story yet. as far as the surgury and stuff she would need, i think jack is getting a lot of healing help from the island itself (it cured rose and locke) i really hope that locke's dad is not 'he'.

so did micheal shot himself in the chest or in the arm at the end? i couldn't tell. if he's still alive, he could blame henry for their deaths.

my final theory is that claire is jack's half-sister. i think she is the only one actually from australia.

whaddya think?

[Captain Beyond]

The next episode previews showed Michael with his arm in a sling, he looked P.Od and he looked like a prisoner.

[absolutvt69]

Michael shot himself in the arm. I imagine he'll tell them that AL went to kill Henry who overpowered her and shot her and then shot Libby and Michael as he was escaping. I don't think he looked like a prisoner and you heard Hurley tell him "I'm glad you're ok". Michael's setting them all up... the question is why. Has he flat out joined the Others or has he just made a deal with them.

[CREED]

Michael's setting them all up... the question is why. Has he flat out joined the Others or has he just made a deal with them.


:devious: A father's love make you C-R-A-Z-Y!!!Mike's chock full of Daddy issues as it is.It'couldn't have been hard to turn him.Heck Dr Phil could do it!!!

[absolutvt69]

Anyone else notice the title of this week's episode is "?"... My thoughts exactly...

Also the finale is a two hour show titled "Live together, Die alone" and mentions the return of Desmond and how he came to be on the island.

Unfortunately it looks like there's a week gap between the two. There's one this week and then the finale on the 24th. I think Alias is a two parter the week of the 17th :-\

[bootkneelee]

I don't think Michael was testing A-L. She made a personal decision, and was willing to allow Michael to make that same decision for himself. If the situation was reversed, and Michael found himself unable to kill 'Henry', A-L would likely have offered to do it for him as well. She didn't know going in that she wouldn't be able to do it, or she wouldn't have gone to such lengths to get the gun.

It's about Michael wanting to do whatever it takes to get Walt back, although I'm sure it's not that simple either. It never is with this show :eek:

Not Michael testing her, the Island, I was mearly pointing out, that other people on this forum said that she had changed, and I was saying that if I want to Kill someone, and I can't pull the trigger because of guilt or what have you, and I had the gun to someone else, knowingg thatthey are gonns do what I could not do, then it's just the same as me doing it, actually it's worse, cause it would mean I did not have the stones to do what I really felt needed to be done.

Thus she hadn't "changed" and if the island does test people, she failed, and got a bullet as a going away present!

[wonderboy]

Anyone else notice the title of this week's episode is "?"... My thoughts exactly...


Remember the blacklight map that Locke discovered in the hatch? Remember how in the center of the map there was a big "?"? I think it's a very logical guess that we might be exploring what that "?" is in the next episode. :)

[hotwaffleman]

so why do you think that they want to take locke? i mean besides that he's 'one of the good ones' whatever that means.

[hail_eris]

so why do you think that they want to take locke? i mean besides that he's 'one of the good ones' whatever that means.
Locke has gotten a lot from the island. He's gotten his legs back. The door closing on them was a message from the island, "That which I give, I can take away." He has a lot to pay back, karmically speaking. Henry, and the rest of the Others, are the island's collection agency. The island will provide life and, for some, redemption. But it will exact its toll when the time comes.

Ana-Lucia had achieved redemption. She'd rejected the path of violence. In fact, she was on her way home to face the crime she had committed. Her inability to execute Henry showed how far she had come. By giving the gun to Michael, she did not use him as her instrument, but rather, allowed him to make the same choice that she had. Her death at that moment reinforced my suspicions about the purgatorial aspects of the island. She had burned away her sins and needed to pay the island's gatekeepers (the Others) price for her passage. And the only coin they take is blood.

[hotwaffleman]

well said.

[Wyldstaar]

Libbey Lives! As I was in my car listening to the radio, a spot for tonight's episode of Lost came on. In it they played a clip of Jack saying, "They shot three of our people! One of them is dead!" I'm glad I was wrong and she's going to be around for at least a bit longer. We havn't gotten enough of her story yet, and things with Hurley havn't had a chance to develop yet.

[Superfro]

Libbey Lives! As I was in my car listening to the radio, a spot for tonight's episode of Lost came on. In it they played a clip of Jack saying, "They shot three of our people! One of them is dead!" I'm glad I was wrong and she's going to be around for at least a bit longer. We havn't gotten enough of her story yet, and things with Hurley havn't had a chance to develop yet.

Or maybe the show will be a complete ### and it'll be Anna that survived. :tired:

As much as that would irritate me, it'd be hilarious! :cheeky:

[EmperorNorton]

Or maybe the show will be a complete ### and it'll be Anna that survived. :tired:

As much as that would irritate me, it'd be hilarious! :cheeky:

Well, we didn't see the wound, or did we?
Or blood?

[Superfro]

Well, we didn't see the wound, or did we?
Or blood?

Nope...which would make it the perfect swerve. :p

(I don't belive it will pan out that way, I'm just saying it'd be funny. Well, as long as they still really killed AL by the end of the season I guess. :cheeky: )

[EmperorNorton]

Well, at this point I don't really care about the show anymore, so I'd be fine if they killed them all.

Except for Hurley.

He should survive.
And be captured years later by a film crew, lured by a blonde actress, who kinda falls in love with him, and be brought to New York, where he escapes to wreak havok.

That's be awesome.

[bobbobgo]

anyone catch the number on the hanso foundation commercial?

the website in the commercial was sublymonal.com

[krusticlese]

It was on last week. It's 1-877-HANSORG

The website posted was sublymonal.com. I've been trying to load it for the last 15 minutes, but I expect there is alot of traffic now.

If you call the number, check the messages in the board of director's mailboxes first, then check the Hanso foundation main message.

Listen for persephonie breaking into the message, she'll give you the password needed to log into the Hanso foundation website.

I couldn't quite make it out, and when I called back Persephonie didn't break into the call again.

[Wyldstaar]

I got the site to come up. It's a strange one. It's got "OBEY" in the center of the screen, a black background, and what appear to be six white glowing video screens ratcheting around the word. In addition to the ratcheting sound as the screens rotate, there's a persistant pulsating sound. That's it, or that's all it appears to be at least.

Okay then, I guess I was right the first time. Bye bye Libbey! It looks like we'll be getting a retrospective on what Michael was up to after he went off to find Walt.

[hotwaffleman]

sublymonal.com, what a crappy website.

[hotwaffleman]

so reallly, you think libby is dead. i don't believe it. i'll bet you dollars to raspberry danish that she ain't dead.

[absolutvt69]

Well Libby DID live... for awhile. And I think the whole "it's an experiment" is a set up. I think it WAS an experiment at some point but I think pushing the button has become something much more important. Mr. Eko seems to think so and he's the man. What's the sudden importance of Claire's psychic? If he's a "fraud" then how did he know to make her get on the plane? And what was up w/ the bright light at the end of the teaser for next week? Is an angel coming to visit or something? I was really hoping Libby would give us a little more before she croaked but oh well. Hurley and Sayid can share in each other's misery now...

[Stepper79]

the phone number gives you the password to access all the hidden stuff on thehasnofoundation.org. the sublymol website was exposed today on the hanso site - whats funny is alot of other people have spent hours trying to get to that site and they just put it out there for the rest of us. The Sublymol site gives another password to access more hidden info on the Hanso site. it would appear that Sprite is sponsoring the lost summer game as I paused it on my tvio and the Hanso commerical said paid for by sprite

[Stepper79]

also all of the details for the lost/Hanso website game are posted on thelostexperience.com

[lobo1]

Man, 2 chicks dead in one episode. At least Sawyer got some before AL got capped. Poor Hurley though, he will never get laid. He really is very unlucky...

cheers

[cattmoe]

Ok, I think this happened to azs before.... stupid tivo cut off the end of the show. The last thing I saw was Hurley sitting down to talk to Libby.... did anything happen after that?

[Wyldstaar]

Ok, I think this happened to azs before.... stupid tivo cut off the end of the show. The last thing I saw was Hurley sitting down to talk to Libby.... did anything happen after that?

She tried to tell Hurley that Michael is the one who shot her, but then she died. After that it was just a pan around the bunker to show how bummed everyone was, and finally to Michael. After that it was the preview for next weeks episode.

[krusticlese]

Got through the 1st page of the sublymonal website by repeatedly clicking on the brighest screen untill all were lit with an errie green glow....



ready....







the secret password is.....






... heir apparent.

This is definately different from the one that Persephonie said on the Hanso Foundation hotline.

[MSU]

man oh man....so I get it, this use to be an island where they did psych experiements. Fine. I get it. I knew that.

BTW, didn't catch that it was Claire's psychic....thanks for that tidbit!

Libby is dead and gone...she has a contract for another show so she ain't coming back.

I wanna know if they can turn on the TVs to watch what the Others are doing.

[krusticlese]

man oh man....so I get it, this use to be an island where they did psych experiements. Fine. I get it. I knew that.


But, is the Pearl the real psych experiment and the Swan a real (non-psycological) facility used to contain the "incident"?

There were old psychological experiments where they would tell participants that they were to shock unsuspecting subjects if an answer to a given question was wrong. There were never any shocks administered, the experiment was used to test the level of sadism in the participants and for how long they would follow orders knowing they were hurting others.

Honestly, there's so much other really freaky stuff going on around the Island (Eko's dream saw the large magnet in the middle of the island going freaky), that I think Psycological experiments would have been the first thing to be terminated after the facilities were abandonded.

[Wyldstaar]

I've got a new theory about The Others. Each hatch has it's own designated experiment which it's occupants are required to carry out. What if The Others are simply the assigned occupants of one of the other hatches? They've become so enthralled by their assigned duty that they've gone over the edge in the execution of their experiment. The rats have broken out of their maze, killed the original scientists, and are now running the lab on their own!

[Grinner]

BTW, didn't catch that it was Claire's psychic....thanks for that tidbit!

I didn't think that was Claire's psychic. I know it's a psychic, and he's in Australia, but he doesn't seem like the same guy.

And haven't we seen that church before?

[absolutvt69]

I didn't think that was Claire's psychic. I know it's a psychic, and he's in Australia, but he doesn't seem like the same guy.

And haven't we seen that church before?


It's the same guy, I looked it up on IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0417068/

[szude]

Got through the 1st page of the sublymonal website by repeatedly clicking on the brighest screen untill all were lit with an errie green glow....



ready....







the secret password is.....


I did that too. The # of clicks for each incremental box were "the numbers".

[Bubblehead]

That site was freaky!

Look at Joop. See something creepy.

Enter "breaking strain" as a password. Then check out Alvar hanso.


Weird weird weird.

[cattmoe]

I didn't think that was Claire's psychic. I know it's a psychic, and he's in Australia, but he doesn't seem like the same guy.

And haven't we seen that church before?

I thought the church looked familiar too... I think that may have been where Micheal first met Walt last season?

[AZS]

But, is the Pearl the real psych experiment and the Swan a real (non-psycological) facility used to contain the "incident"?That was my thought too. That Pearl was the experiment, and the others were the real deal. (And pearl was an easy way to keep dibs on the real experiments.)

I loved how Locke just deflated. Realizing that once again in his life he's been manipulated. (Or has he?)


Echo's dreams are also interesting. The show has always skirted the idea of the supernatural, but this was the first real dive into something supernatural being real.


Also really liked how the Question Mark was an actual mark. I think everyone assumed the question mark on the map meant the map maker was unsure what was there. Instead it turns out to be an actual landmark. :)

[krusticlese]

That site was freaky!

Look at Joop. See something creepy.

Enter "breaking strain" as a password. Then check out Alvar hanso.


Weird weird weird.


I didn't see anything weird about Alvar.

What I did notice was that Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk's bio now has a log-in bar.

So for giggles I tried the new code I unlocked last night "heir apparent" because on the main page he's listed as the vice-president, while in the bio he lists himself as persident.

I got some seriously freaky #### there. Apparently he isn't even a real Doctor!

[absolutvt69]

Question: In the first Orientation film did the Asian man only have one arm? I read somewhere that he did only have one arm and that in this video he had two meaning that this video was made prior to the first one. Maybe he lost an arm in one of the "incidents"? I just didn't recall him only having one arm in the first film.

[Grinner]

It's the same guy, I looked it up on IMDB:

Then I think Claire freaked him out even more than we first thought.

Think about it - you're a professional fraud as a psychic. You con people, using spies to find things out and then take their money. A young lady comes in and you have a true psychic vision. That would have to mess you up pretty severely. Seriously enough that you would want to do everything you could to deny that the supernatural doesn't exist.

[Grinner]

the supernatural doesn't exist.

does :rolleyes:

rassa-frassin' no edit. :cheeky:

[absolutvt69]

Then I think Claire freaked him out even more than we first thought.

Think about it - you're a professional fraud as a psychic. You con people, using spies to find things out and then take their money. A young lady comes in and you have a true psychic vision. That would have to mess you up pretty severely. Seriously enough that you would want to do everything you could to deny that the supernatural doesn't exist.


Or maybe he knew that Eko needed to be on THAT plane for LA and wouldn't make it if he was still investigating his daughter's supposed miracle?

Also no one's talked about the ferry comment. That would indicate there's land relatively close by. Of course that assumes the ferry is a traditional one and not like a spiritual ferry or something.

[clixer11]

I missed the ferry comment...is that how the Pearl...occupants...are picked up?

[szude]

I figured the ferry to be the boat that the Others have.

[AZS]

Or maybe he knew that Eko needed to be on THAT plane for LA and wouldn't make it if he was still investigating his daughter's supposed miracle? I thought the same thing. He was telling Echo what he wanted to hear, to make sure he'd get on that plane.

Echo is the one who Baptised Clair's baby, so there's a thread of a connection. This guy could have seen that.

[bootkneelee]

Last night's episode was awesome, Mr. Ecko is the new Locke, I freaked out when Locke sent him up the hill knowing that in his dream he fell to his doom. But I guess Locke knows that if the Island wants someone it will take them. The ? in the middle of the ground was great!

Man how freaky was the recording of the guy doing the autopsy and the girl waking up and screaming? And her telling Ecko about his brother, I thought for a minute Ecko was going choke her till the cops came!!!! I think Grinner is right about Claire’s psychic, he felt the danger and knew that it was real and had to get her on that plane.

Poor Hurly, I really feel for the big guy, I wished Libby had ratted Mike out, but I’m sure next week they will be onto him [Sayid don’t trust him!]

How cool was it that Sawyer was lying right on top of the Heroin & Guns all the time?