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well, that's why they killed her off on the show. IIRC, her prison sentence was for 1-2 years.
I thought hers was first offense/community service, but Michelle Rodriguez had jail time.
Superfro
10/21/2006, 03:28
I thought hers was first offense/community service, but Michelle Rodriguez had jail time.
And Rodriguez chose jail time instead of community service. :rolleyes:
Although when it came time for her to serve her jail time I think she served all of 30 minutes. The day she was locked up she was at a basketball game that night in LA. It must be awesome to be a celeb. :rolleyes: x40
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Eureka.
I know there is a real place, but I took it as a reference/homage to the Sci-Fi show that just finished its first season a couple weeks ago: Eureka.
I've been meaning to check that show out but I haven't gotten around to it.
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BTW....
Locke killed that kid cop.
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BTW....
Locke killed that kid cop.
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Did you see something elsewhere? In the show he lowered the gun.
But, I'm all for Locke having raised the gun back up again and shooting him. It fits his personality that I've liked since Season 1. Last Season he turned into a wuss.
Yeah, I don't know. I just have a feeling that he went ahead and shot him. Maybe we'll find out in another episode. Everyone on the show seems to have some kind of dark past and I think thats what Lockes is. Also him saying he was a "hunter" kinda makes me think that but there I go again thinking irrationally...
cheers
EmperorNorton
10/21/2006, 17:31
"Bear....is that you?" :laugh:
That line was awesome. The rest - not so much.
BTW....
Locke killed that kid cop.
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Wait... what?! I'm pretty sure he let him leave....
And I was a little confused about Locke's role in the whole commune.... did he know what was in teh greenhouse and just not care? Or did he not know until he saw the two leaders trying to escape? And how did he end up at that place anyway? It just seemed really disconnected to his other backstories... was this before or after his other flashbacks?
Stepper79
10/23/2006, 13:25
Wait... what?! I'm pretty sure he let him leave....
And I was a little confused about Locke's role in the whole commune.... did he know what was in teh greenhouse and just not care? Or did he not know until he saw the two leaders trying to escape? And how did he end up at that place anyway? It just seemed really disconnected to his other backstories... was this before or after his other flashbacks?
It was after b/c he referenced the bad dealings with his father maybe the commune gave him the opportunity to get off the grid for a while, I am sure there is a reason for we have just not been given access to that part of his life yet
I was at Rushmore cave this weekend.
Why the hell did I tell you guys?
Because I found Mr. Echo!!! Which means.......yes.....the Island is really the Black Hills, specifically the Cosmos tourist trap.
No Polar Bear, though. I was kinda disappointed. Billy Dee Williams was there, though. So that was a bonus. He said the Polar Bear was having his little cycle, but he sounded kinda sarcastic, so I think he was just angry with it at the time. He was drunk as hell, too...... :rolleyes:
Stepper79
10/25/2006, 09:10
JUst in case anyone forgot!!
Lost Returns In February
ABC's hit series Lost will return for the second half of its third season on Feb. 7, after a 13-week hiatus; it will then run without repeats until the end of the season, Zap2it.com reported.
Lost is currently airing six original episodes and will then take a break after the Nov. 8 episode, to be replaced by the SF series Day Break in the Wednesday 9 p.m. timeslot, starting Nov. 15. The two-part season is designed to avoid last season's midseason reruns.
When Lost returns in February, it will have 16 weeks of uninterrupted episodes.
absolutvt69
10/25/2006, 22:05
Really liked tonight's episode!!
Stupid Lost episode....2 Islands?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?
And we know why they want Jack...why Sawyer and Kate? As incentive for Jack to do what he needs to do? God....just frustrating. Just tell me already....WHAT IS GOING ON!?!??!?!?!?
(but I liked it....)
(and what is going on with Desmond? When did he become all "freaky" and predict the future....)
Superfro
10/25/2006, 22:23
Really liked tonight's episode!!
Ditto. I thought it was actually the best of the season thus far.
Jack got some great lines tonight as well. :cool:
CornsilkSW
10/25/2006, 22:26
This season has been pretty kidnapee heavy, and the odd thing is that I care more about pretty much every other character. The Locke episode has been my favorite thus far, and I want more info on what the other castaways are doing.
Superfro
10/25/2006, 22:29
I want more info on what the other castaways are doing.
Holding babies and making fruit salad. Weren't you paying attention? :p
Stepper79
10/25/2006, 22:31
Holding babies and making fruit salad. Weren't you paying attention? :p
You forgot hitting small golf ball sized fruit into the ocean (but not with a 5 iron)
absolutvt69
10/25/2006, 22:34
(but I liked it....)
(and what is going on with Desmond? When did he become all "freaky" and predict the future....)
Apparently it happened as a result of the hatch implosion.
So the hatch implodes and Desmond becomes all I can see the future????
Bah!
wonderboy
10/26/2006, 01:26
Wow, so now there's 2 islands? Also, it seems obvious to me that the x-rays of the spine with cancer in them belong to Mr Hanzo (founder of the Dharma Initiative). But since that seems too obvious it's probably not.
Did you guys watch the preview for next episode? Was that Nick Fury I saw on the tv?:eek::p
Wow, so now there's 2 islands? Also, it seems obvious to me that the x-rays of the spine with cancer in them belong to Mr Hanzo (founder of the Dharma Initiative). But since that seems too obvious it's probably not.
Did you guys watch the preview for next episode? Was that Nick Fury I saw on the tv?:eek::p
You must have missed part of said preview, because Jack actually confronts the guy with the tumor.
SPOILER!
It's Ben.
You must have missed part of said preview, because Jack actually confronts the guy with the tumor.
SPOILER!
It's Ben.
Which is what their editing led us to believe....
Superfro
10/26/2006, 10:51
Which is what their editing led us to believe....
Correct. Although Jack did say it was of a 40 year old, and I think Hanso would be much older than that. But who knows, the show likes to mess with people. ;)
hail_eris
10/26/2006, 12:24
Holding babies and making fruit salad. Weren't you paying attention? :p
They were also busy introducing previously anonymous extras. "Hey, PAULO, could you fetch me that thing? Oh, and NIKKI, overact the hell out of some random piece of dialogue so you can earn scale this week."
Superfro
10/26/2006, 12:31
They were also busy introducing previously anonymous extras. "Hey, PAULO, could you fetch me that thing? Oh, and NIKKI, overact the hell out of some random piece of dialogue so you can earn scale this week."
Yep....that too. ;) And there looks to be more next week. :cheeky:
bigkahuna83
10/26/2006, 12:36
They were also busy introducing previously anonymous extras. "Hey, PAULO, could you fetch me that thing? Oh, and NIKKI, overact the hell out of some random piece of dialogue so you can earn scale this week."
How many survivors are there and how many of them have been a part of the story so far? It seems they are going out of their way to show new survivors this year.
Superfro
10/26/2006, 12:39
How many survivors are there and how many of them have been a part of the story so far? It seems they are going out of their way to show new survivors this year.
I think they more or less have to. 6 of the main featured island survivors are gone from camp. If they showed the camp scene with the remaining folks it would just be 5 or 6 of them, counting Desmond.
I really liked this episode - best of the new season. Also, did anyone else notice that the camera seemed to zoom in on Charlie after Desmond's lightinng rod got struck? It almost seemed like Desmond was watching him to see what happened.....
Did you guys watch the preview for next episode? Was that Nick Fury I saw on the tv?:eek::p
That's the first thing I said to myself when I saw that, too.
So who do you think the Others will have Sawyer con?
I mean, his flashback shows him conning someone as his means of being set free from prison. And they do have extensive info on everyone.
Then Ben said they needed him to do something.
So will Sawyer be used to con Jack? Or Kate? Or someone else?
So the hatch implodes and Desmond becomes all I can see the future????
Bah!
It's possible. The human brain is like a computer and has all kinds of electric synapses in it. The hatch implosion also released a huge EMP-type blast that could have effected Desmond's brain and released some type of latent ability.
Which is what their editing led us to believe....
Agreed. The editing was good, but not that good. I rewound it a couple times with my TiVo and you can see there are two different backgrounds going on when Jack says this and Ben's picture flashes.
It's possible. The human brain is like a computer and has all kinds of electric synapses in it. The hatch implosion also released a huge EMP-type blast that could have effected Desmond's brain and released some type of latent ability.
stop bringing Science into this!!!!
BTW - I cannot wait until the Survivors kick the Others butts. Sayid and Jin and Locke are gonna kick their collective asses. I am waiting for the eventual Kate and Juliet fight.....
bigkahuna83
10/26/2006, 16:26
stop bringing Science into this!!!!
BTW - I cannot wait until the Survivors kick the Others butts. Sayid and Jin and Locke are gonna kick their collective asses. I am waiting for the eventual Kate and Juliet fight.....
Wait a minute....YOU want to see a catfight?
Maybe it's a universal guy thing :)
stop bringing Science into this!!!!
No. :p
BTW - I cannot wait until the Survivors kick the Others butts. Sayid and Jin and Locke are gonna kick their collective asses.
This I can't wait for. I know it was said in the past that the Others might really be the "good guys," but I am really having a hard time seeing that when they keep people in cages and pretend to put a pacemaker in Sawyer.
And what's with that arse kicking the snot out of Sawyer because his wife died?!? Uh... hello...!? Sawyer was in the cage. And, let's not forget that if you Other dirtbags would have just used all your obvious technology to call for a rescue ship for the downed plane they wouldn't even be there to start with to have his wife killed. :rolleyes:
The Others are really annoying me now. The first thing I thought Jack should have done after he couldn't save that guy's wife was reach in and remove her heart and show it to him and then chuck it at the overview window.
I am waiting for the eventual Kate and Juliet fight.....
You might be waiting awhile because I read somewhere legitimate that Juliet will be a love interest for Jack and probably abandoning the Others for the Survivors. Plus, check the way Jack was using psychology to his advantage by making Juliet think Ben was trying to rule over all the Others. Good job, Jack!
This I can't wait for. I know it was said in the past that the Others might really be the "good guys," but I am really having a hard time seeing that when they keep people in cages and pretend to put a pacemaker in Sawyer.
I can see it. After all, look at the Fronties (Fuselagies? Fusellis? Lagies?) They were torturing one of their own at the outset (Sawyer), moved on to torturing Ben, followed by Michael killing 2 of their own. By comparison do they look that innocent?
And what's with that arse kicking the snot out of Sawyer because his wife died?!? Uh... hello...!? Sawyer was in the cage. And, let's not forget that if you Other dirtbags would have just used all your obvious technology to call for a rescue ship for the downed plane they wouldn't even be there to start with to have his wife killed. :rolleyes:
He was just taking it out on him. You could hear him back in the observation room saying "THEY did this to her." Never mind they were in the middle of a felony. I swear, island is a microcosm of every geopolitical war ever, 100's of years of "they did this" Hatfield/McCoy isms.
[color=red]You might be waiting awhile because I read somewhere legitimate that Juliet will be a love interest for Jack and probably abandoning the Others for the Survivors. Plus, check the way Jack was using psychology to his advantage by making Juliet think Ben was trying to rule over all the Others. Good job, Jack!
Much in the same way Ben was turning Jack and Locke at each other.... :)
Bah....I demand to see Kate and Juliet duke it out! Nothing beats a good girl fight!
Now, I would also like to Sawyer and Jack with their shirts off mud wrestling that ends up in a....well, I ain't gonna get it.
Also, did you look at Jack's eyes when he called ToD? He looked at her husband and had an extremely cold stare in his eyes.
Part of me thinks that he let her go on purpose. When Charlie was down like that, he was beating the #### out of his chest until he started breathing again. He gave her 20 pumps, and called ToD. He's cold and calculating now, and I love every minute of it.
20 Rookie Thugs says that he tears Ben's spine right the #### open and spills it on the floor.
hail_eris
10/26/2006, 17:11
Bah....I demand to see Kate and Juliet duke it out! Nothing beats a good girl fight!
Pfft. Those two couldn't carry the designer handbags of Joan Collins and Linda Evans. "Dynasty" set the standard for the TV catfight. I'd only be impressed if Abrams did it as a shot-for-shot homage to the brawl in the fountain (and if he did, sweet baby Jeebus, that would be the single best inside joke in television history).
There is no way that anybody can say that Jack isn't the best character on that show after that episode.
cheers
Oh one thing I forgot. Sawyer nickname #127: "Chinatown". Just awesome.
bigkahuna83
10/26/2006, 17:35
Oh one thing I forgot. Sawyer nickname #127: "Chinatown". Just awesome.
how about Sawyer nickname #125 "Castanza" too dang funny!
how about Sawyer nickname #125 "Castanza" too dang funny!
Wait, I missed that, when? Was it tubby guy in prison?
Yeah, this was a weird episode.
1-The other island at the end is bull IMO. Why would they be inhabited on another island? It just seems too far-fetched with what the story has come to thus far. I just don't buy that at all and it makes for a very confusing storyline that will need some splainin' to do.
2-The 40 year old man with a tumor I believe is down to a few possible candidates. Jack, Sawyer, Ben or Michael.
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bigkahuna83
10/26/2006, 17:45
Wait, I missed that, when? Was it tubby guy in prison?
bingo, I think it was while he was sewing.
VelvetGuru9
10/26/2006, 17:47
This episode showed us something about Sawyer, he has a weakness that can be exploited. His caring so much about his daughter to give her the money he scammed off Castanza and the fact that he took the beating of his life to save Kate. I'm new to the forums and this board, and certainly don't want to step on any toes, but do you guys do spoilers? I heard a great one about one of the next two episodes. If you want to hear it let me know.
VelvetGuru9
10/26/2006, 17:51
You must have missed part of said preview, because Jack actually confronts the guy with the tumor.
SPOILER!
It's Ben.
I've heard rumors that it may actually be Locke's X-Rays. Although Jack did say it was a guy in his 40s, but since the 'others' seem to get their hands on all sorts of special things, who's to say that it wasn't the X-Rays of a tumor and the removal of that tumor leads Locke to a life in a wheelchair. Remember, we still haven't seen any story on why Locke was previously in a wheelchair.
Oh one thing I forgot. Sawyer nickname #127: "Chinatown". Just awesome.
I think my favorite Sawyer moment may be after he had ben operated on and ben just started shaking the bejeezus out of that rabbit and Sawyer just looked at him and said, "Did you just kill that bunny?" Too funny.:p
Madroxbox
10/26/2006, 19:00
I agree that Jack let the girl die. I wouldve demanded answers on the spot before I did any operating. Now they at least have his trust. Soon he can use that against them.
I'm guessing we won't see Walt and Michael for some time. There on screen time is given to the new characters. Who knows, maybe they are living with the Others now?
Although I would have loved it if Jack let that lady die, I don't believe he did.
He didn't try as hard because a gut shot can be an ugly thing. As a surgeon he could look at that wound and tell she was a goner. No amount of CPR is going to save someone when they are bled out. From the lack of an IV in the room I can safely assume the Others don't have a blood bank.
clixer11
10/26/2006, 19:39
I think he mentioned a liver hit too...definitely one of the deadlier torso wounds that make folks *think* you have a chance of making it, but usually results in a bleed out.
Guess Trixie needs to find some more work, unless she is gonna join the flashback crew.
There is no way that anybody can say that Jack isn't the best character on that show after that episode.
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Sorry to pi$$ in your cornflakes,but Jack is my LEAST favorite character since Ana Lucia.All his whining "my daddy "issues-bores me to tears.Now Sawyer-Locke-Echo-those are my favorites.
Sorry to pi$$ in your cornflakes,but Jack is my LEAST favorite character since Ana Lucia.All his whining "my daddy "issues-bores me to tears.Now Sawyer-Locke-Echo-those are my favorites.
Yeah, but I feel Jack is actually one of the good guys out of everyone. He seems to be the only person on the island that has stayed true to his character from the past.
And I am with the crowd that thinks that Jack didn't let that girl die. I don't think he would let anyone die. That's just not his character. It goes back to what Jack said to Juliet, "I don't care what you think."
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VelvetGuru9
10/27/2006, 09:18
It’s All About Bunnies! Just to add to the bunny-ness of the episode, let’s not forget that in season one, Sawyer was reading Watership Down and said, “It’s about bunnies.” Well, one of the major issues in Watership Down is that they don't have enough females, so they have to go out and kidnap some... and who have the others kidnapped? Alexandra (Danielle's daughter), Claire, Kate...
VelvetGuru9
10/27/2006, 13:49
more about bunnys. In this episode Sawyer asks Benry "Did you just kill thet bunny?". In keeping with the numbers theme, the Bunny had the number 8 on him. Then as Benry is walking Sawyer up that hill, Sawyer makes reference to the book "Of Mice and Men" and in that book, George (which is the name Sawyer called Benry when referencing the book) wanted to start a bunny farm.
I notice a very Orwellian nature to this series now, but as anyone knows who's watched it, that it's probably more pieces of the LOST puzzle that go nowhere.
clixer11
10/27/2006, 14:19
Regarding the bunnies/Watership Down/kidnapping females, its interesting that...Julliete (?) is a fertility specialist. Not an OB/GYN or Pediactrics, but fertility.
Regarding the bunnies/Watership Down/kidnapping females, its interesting that...Julliete (?) is a fertility specialist. Not an OB/GYN or Pediactrics, but fertility.
I think Jack would like to check into her fertility.
And I would too.......she's hot.....
I think Jack would like to check into her fertility.
And I would too.......she's hot.....
Hadn't really thought about the whole Watership Down - Fertility - Bunnies thing.. that's interesting.
And Thawmus, your new Avatar is a little intimidating, and it's making me dizzy... :laugh:
Superfro
10/27/2006, 15:04
And Thawmus, your new Avatar is a little intimidating
Agreed. It's all angry and agressive. And it keeps point at me. It's probably going to make me cry.
(And by "probably" I of course mean that I already am.)
Did YOU kill Joe Nolan?????
"No, I didn't!"
YOU HAD ACCESS TO THE WINE!!!!!!!!!!!
Hadn't really thought about the whole Watership Down - Fertility - Bunnies thing.. that's interesting.
And Thawmus, your new Avatar is a little intimidating, and it's making me dizzy... :laugh:
I wouldn't worry about Alan. He doesn't have a very good faith basis, due to the lack of a police investigation. You're just giving damaging testimony, and it's either he accuses someone, or he's going to have to drop his pants. ;)
Zatara55
10/28/2006, 02:47
I'm trying to remember something.....the bank Kate robbed with the toy plane-was it in New Mexico? For some reason that popped into my head when Albacurque was mentioned.
ReZourceman
10/28/2006, 05:07
I just caught up on those last 2 Episodes.
Not too shabby. A few of my thoughts;
- The whole second Island thing.....Errrr....No. Theres so many points that make this ridiculous its not even funny; Look at this picture from the season opener.Here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg), I find it funny that the NO ONE from the tail end of the plane mentioned they were right next to other islands. (Because as you can see it is CLEARLY in view)
If Hurley can walk it in a day (The original island) really cant be THAT big. And they have been all around it.....Or at least pretty much all around it, and how would no one of noticed more islands. That annoys the beejesus girl outta me.
Heck, even on the season opener when it zooms out of the island.
"Twice the size of "Alcatraz" ......Pssst, Ive been to Alcatraz, and its no way near half of this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg), let alone the fact that we cant see all of the island.
As for the actual episodes, not bad. Im starting to like Jack more...not that I ever disliked him. Sawyer had awesome lines, and stole the show with them yet again.
Good stuff.
I just caught up on those last 2 Episodes.
Not too shabby. A few of my thoughts;
- The whole second Island thing.....Errrr....No. Theres so many points that make this ridiculous its not even funny; Look at this picture from the season opener.Here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg), I find it funny that the NO ONE from the tail end of the plane mentioned they were right next to other islands. (Because as you can see it is CLEARLY in view)
If Hurley can walk it in a day (The original island) really cant be THAT big. And they have been all around it.....Or at least pretty much all around it, and how would no one of noticed more islands. That annoys the beejesus girl outta me.
Heck, even on the season opener when it zooms out of the island.
"Twice the size of "Alcatraz" ......Pssst, Ive been to Alcatraz, and its no way near half of this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg), let alone the fact that we cant see all of the island.
As for the actual episodes, not bad. Im starting to like Jack more...not that I ever disliked him. Sawyer had awesome lines, and stole the show with them yet again.
Good stuff.
I had the same thoughts, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. So far the producers have done a great job of planning ahead, and it seems like there's a reason for almost everything that happens; my guess is that there is some explanation for why the survivors never noticed the other islands, possibly related to how the Others have managed to maintain contact witht he outside world yet have never been detected.
VelvetGuru9
10/29/2006, 19:36
I'm trying to remember something.....the bank Kate robbed with the toy plane-was it in New Mexico? For some reason that popped into my head when Albacurque was mentioned.
That's right, the bank Kate robbed was in Albuquerque. A future backstory perhaps with the producers going back to that robbery and making more of a connection between Kate and Sawyer.
VelvetGuru9
11/01/2006, 14:18
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!
Scroll over text at bottom, bur warned, it includes the death of tonight's major character.
EXTREME SPOLIER for tonight’s show
1) Ben didn't want Jack to see his x-rays.
2) Juliet puts on a very interesting movie for Jack. Starring herself.
3_ As she speaks to Jack personally the video which is muted has her displaying Cue cards. Don't believe anything I say etc. etc.
4) Ultimately she wants Jack to Operate on Henry and ""Accidentally"" kills him.
5) Eko has a little killing spree with a machete so I would say no (This was in response to the question if it was child friendly, non-violent)
6) Eko is killed tonight by the smoke monster
7) He was thrown and slammed into the trees and ground. Moments before he dies he whispers something in Locke’s ears. "WE'RE NEXT"
I'm so pissed at that actor right now. What is with their hiring of all of these actors that can't keep their nose clean long enough for their characters to have survived a full season?
VelvetGuru9
11/01/2006, 15:40
I'm so pissed at that actor right now. What is with their hiring of all of these actors that can't keep their nose clean long enough for their characters to have survived a full season?
Not sure what you mean. Did that actor do something and get busted for it? If so, I totally agree with you.
Not sure what you mean. Did that actor do something and get busted for it? If so, I totally agree with you.
Nothing serious, he got arrested for disobeying a police officer and not having a driver's license. Apparantly he was cleared of all charges after showing that he does in fact have a license. I think several people in this thread called, however, that he was going to die soon because of his run-in with the law, regardless of how un-severe.
Stepper79
11/01/2006, 22:08
So how did you see it so early?? only one tailie left now right - and we haven't seen them all season
Oh and some strange reason I still don't buy Juliet's speech it still seems like a scam
absolutvt69
11/01/2006, 22:21
Even though I had a feeling it was coming... it still pissed me off. One of the most interesting characters on the show just basically dies for no apparent reason (unless you count getting arrested in real life). Meanwhile we add two new pointless characters... hot dumb chick and her stupid boyfriend/husband. Every time they spoke, all I could think was "Who the hell are you and why do I care". I don't mind major characters dying but could it at least be worth something? About the only thing I'm interested in now is whether Juliett is scamming Jack or not. Sorry but this episode really irked me.
Sweet, give away the episode as I'm watching it.
Even though I had a feeling it was coming... it still pissed me off. One of the most interesting characters on the show just basically dies for no apparent reason (unless you count getting arrested in real life). Meanwhile we add two new pointless characters... hot dumb chick and her stupid boyfriend/husband. Every time they spoke, all I could think was "Who the hell are you and why do I care". I don't mind major characters dying but could it at least be worth something? About the only thing I'm interested in now is whether Juliett is scamming Jack or not. Sorry but this episode really irked me.
Actually, the girl is smart, the guy is stupid. Get it right.;)
And man who the hell was that Nick Fury guy?!
YEAH! Who the hell was eyepatch guy. Great Locke line after that...."I guess he knows we're coming" CREEPY!!!
I am loving Juliet...she rocks for wanting to take Ben out. I think she is making a power grab. I don't wanna see ben die because he is a great villain....
Very sad about Ecko but i don't think his arrest had anything to do with it....this show was filmed during the summer (episodes are filmed months before they are aired, Iceman started shooting FNL back in June - they need time for editing and reshooting). He was a very interesting character but his story was done. What else do we need from his story? Once the story is done, we lose the character.
wonderboy
11/02/2006, 01:42
-Loved the whole tape scene with Jack and Juliet. Very compelling and kept my interest. Great acting too.
-Loved the special effects with the black smoke monster. It looks much better than their polar bears.:cheeky:
-Loved the Nick Fury moment. I heard the actor is the captain guy from Joss Whedon's Firefly/Serenity.
-Hated that Echo died. His story didn't develop enough and could have gone on much longer. For example, why was he in Australia and heading to Los Angeles? I don't think we ever learned that.
-Still not thrilled about the new losties who suddenly are joining in the adventures. Why should I care about these people? They better have a damn interesting backstory when we get to it.
-Hated how the girl suddenly seems all smart by saying "hey guys why are there all these tvs?" and then Locke seems to admit that he never even realized it. I mean COME...ON! How could you not notice that? They just made Locke seem totally out of character and look like an idiot in a lame attempt to make their made up New Gal try to look smart. Puh-leez!:rolleyes::angry:
Just because Eko was KO'd off the show doesn't mean that we'll never see him again. I think we may see him in the future as well as Libby and Ana Lucia. I mean, we already saw Boone in one episode earlier this year.
All in all I'm bummed he's gone. He was a great character and I think he was the last of the "Tail end" characters also wasn't he?
Tonight's episode was good with everyone else. Not really too sure to know what to think about the "Extras" that are now speaking. We'll just have to wait and see.
cheers
hotwaffleman
11/02/2006, 03:46
y'know what would be cool is if eko became the 'ben kenobi' of the island. it sucks that he's gone but i'd be happy if he showed up in more dream sequences to give advice and whoop some ###.
TKMandroid
11/02/2006, 03:52
All in all I'm bummed he's gone. He was a great character and I think he was the last of the "Tail end" characters also wasn't he?
Bernard is the last of the "Tail end" characters, unless you count the kids that were abducted. I have a feeling that they are still walking around one of the islands....somewhere.:noid:
As for Eko, great character, could have added more to his back story.:disappoin
At least now we know what killed the pilot.:confused:
Mar-vell
11/02/2006, 07:15
This is the first time I can really say I was very disappointed the previous episode.
Yeah, the new guys are grating me same as everybody else, but the main thing was how out of character Eko was. This is the same guy who didn't talk for 40 days after he killed 2 people who for all we know were trying to kill him? And then felt the need to confess to one of their group? He says he's not sorry for anything and hasn't sinned?
And I don't have a problem with last night's flashback. It seemed very in character for Eko. But obviously that wasn't the same guy who's been on the island all this time. It just seems like they tried to wrap up his story and get rid of him as soon as possible. It felt very forced and out of place.
absolutvt69
11/02/2006, 08:45
Actually, the girl is smart, the guy is stupid. Get it right.;)
And man who the hell was that Nick Fury guy?!
Just b/c she spouts off the obvious doesn't mean she's smart. It means the writers are trying to make her look smart. But hey, let's kill off Hurley and Desmond and replace them with a monkey and a kangaroo. We'll give the monkey lines that point out the obvious so that everyone knows he's smart.
VelvetGuru9
11/02/2006, 09:24
So how did you see it so early?? only one tailie left now right - and we haven't seen them all season
Oh and some strange reason I still don't buy Juliet's speech it still seems like a scam
A friend of mine sent that spoiler and she hasn't yet told me how she found it. Tha're always so secretive on the show and about who's going to die.
I'm not sure I buy Juliet's speech either. If they were testing Jack, why wouldn't they try another method, first by telling him it's over, Jack won, and then by manipulating him again just after Benry tells him that Juliet bore a resemblance to Jacks ex-wife. Coincidence? Or just another plot twist to keep us guessing.
I am loving Juliet...she rocks for wanting to take Ben out. I think she is making a power grab. I don't wanna see ben die because he is a great villain....
I actually work with a girl who happens to be Benry's cousin (and no it wasn't her that gave me the spoiler) and I don't think you'll see Benry die any time soon. He recently signed a contract extension and is looking to get a house in Hawaii.
Personally, I wish they would have killed off Charlie or Claire as they seem to have outlived their usefulness...although I'd say Charlie before Claire because that girl is F-I-N-E FINE!
And man who the hell was that Nick Fury guy?!
I don't know, but he looks scary bad. He looks like he'd even put the smackdown on Sayid with an incap, stunning blow for four clicks of damage.
Am I the only one getting fed up with this show? After every episode this season I find myself saying 'Come on! That's all we get?' After 2 seasons of 'ok, what happens next' I'm pretty much ready for some answers.
We got more info from the 15 minutes of footage in summer internet game than we have from 5 hours of shows this season.
I think Heroes has spoiled me to Lost. The pacing on Heroes is terrific, balancing mystery with actual answers and story development.
Also, anyone else notice in the previews for next week they said "season finale"? Because we're not getting new episodes until Febuary.
Next week's episode better be teh r0XX0rs!!11!!, or it won't hold my interest to February.
Stepper79
11/02/2006, 09:58
oh come on Azs who are you kidding come February you will be jonesing for your lost fix like the rest of us ;)
absolutvt69
11/02/2006, 09:58
I'm pretty much used to the pacing now and have resigned myself to the fact that we'll get answers when we get them... but I just can't get the "let's kill this person for no good reason" stuff. If they were going to kill Eko I'd rather have seen him die for a reason... like saving everyone else or whatnot. I don't mind the lack of answers as much as the randomness in some of the plots.
oh come on Azs who are you kidding come February you will be jonesing for your lost fix like the rest of us ;)Last night when I got home at 9:30, I had ~3 things saved on TiVo, or I could watch Lost.
I watched Jericho, the back half of Veronica Mars, and then Lost. (and really I could have waited to watch that.)
Bubblehead
11/02/2006, 10:13
That was the first episode where I thought the intrigue was back. Having Juliet do that was awesome. Now we don't know what to believe. Good stuff. Eko dying. Meh.
I still say this place is purgatory. You notice how the Other's island has nothing kooky happen on it but the survivor's island has the hatches and the smoke creature and hallucinations.
Basically Eko came to grip with his guilt for his brother dying and he passed on. We've seen this before. The whole "You're next." thing. Yep. The others don't want to believe in the hereafter where the survivors all do. Simple. To the point. I think people will make it more twisty/turny than what it really is. Juliet is Jack's love interest. If Ben is staying around, then Juliet goes back to camp with Jack in the "new season".
Fall season finale??? C'mon.......
Better to watch this show in DVD Season format. It is rather ridiculous.
From USAToday.com article (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-11-01-eko-lost_x.htm):
Last season, Lost's Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) looked the island's mystical monster straight in the eye and lived to tell about it.
Last night on the ABC drama, Eko wasn't so lucky — the monster killed him.
That makes Eko the last of the tail-section survivors introduced last season to perish, after Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and Cynthia Watros' Libby were shot by Michael (Harold Perrineau). With the departures of Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Perrineau and Malcolm David Kelley (Walt), there are no series regulars who are black.
Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written off the series. After losing both parents last year, he wanted to return to his London home and work on a film he'll direct.
Elizabeth Mitchell, who plays Juliet, got to know him off the set. "We got along really well," she says. "He's about to direct his first movie about his life, which is an incredible story. He'll be missed."
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Point of note, there's still one Tailie left, the missing husband (dont' remember his name) whose wife swore she knew he was still alive.
Stepper79
11/02/2006, 10:22
the husbands name is Bernard
absolutvt69
11/02/2006, 10:29
Bernard... you probably forgot him b/c we haven't seen him in forever. I guess him and Rose are just living out their days. Rather than introduce new people, I'd rather see them go back to Charlie/Claire/Hurley etc. I mean Season 1 there was so much about Claire and her baby and all that... and now it's just an afterthought. No reason why her baby was so important and could not be "raised by another". No reason why she was taken. No real explanation as to what happened while she was gone. And I'd still rather have seen Eko's death mean more.
I'd have to say I didn't like how Eko was characterized. When we first see him, he's solemn and he feels very bad about killing the others. Whatever type of person he was before, he seems like he wants to be a new one now. He's building churches, and he believes the visions he has.
Last episode shows that he doesn't regret one moment of his life, and he justifies everything in that he needed to everything to survive.
Seems contradictory. When you believe you do what you have to do to survive, then your taking faith in higher powers out of the equation. Which seems like what his character was based on in Season 2. And him not seeing himself as a sinner, seems the exact opposite.
And after all these revelations, the Island decides he has to die. Seems weird.
I haven't seen it yet, but I don't mind discussing an episode before I watch it.
I hear what some of you are saying, in being frustrated. Season 2 hit me with that pretty hard. I had no interest whatsoever in the tailies, with the exception of Libby and Eko, and now all of that effort seems in vain, since they're both dead. I really liked the Hurley/Libby connection, and loved Eko even more. Having a big strong ex-drug dealing holy man walk around with his bloody stick was just awesome. I don't buy that there was nothing else to his backstory. Am I the only one who remembers the episode where he got a message from his brother through a resurrected girl? I believe in these writers, and their ability to tell great stories about these characters, without being completely relevant to their introductions. There's no reason to believe that any character's story is "done" in this series. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, and Locke are each prime examples of this.
As far as new characters are concerned, yeah, they may be unimportant and annoying, but we all know that as soon as we get some kickass backstory, we'll be in love with them. I think it's far more frustrating that we'll get their backstory, fall in love with them, and then have them get killed 8-9 episodes from now...
I liked last night's episode... and we did get a few answers (for example, why Eko was building a church on the island.) But I agree that the pace could be picked up a little bit. The Others have been playing mind games for three seasons now, and while I enjoy them, I'd like to finally feel like it's leading somewhere.
As for Juliet.... I'm just not sure. How crazy would it be if she was manipulating Jack into killing Ben and it turned out she was actually evil and Ben was doing the right thing (whatever that may be?)
As for Juliet.... I'm just not sure. How crazy would it be if she was manipulating Jack into killing Ben and it turned out she was actually evil and Ben was doing the right thing (whatever that may be?)At this point, there is nothing the show could ever do to convince me that Ben is a 'good' guy.
Here it is, there are people from a plane crash trapped on some mysterious island, and instead of helping them (or just leaving them alone) they kidnap them, shoot them, and torture them.
If it turned out they were the most important people on the planet, that still wouldn't justify their antagonistic methods.
VelvetGuru9
11/02/2006, 13:27
The island needs sacrifices, and Eko was a sacrifice to the island. I think that with Eko's death, we'll see Locke become more of the spiritual man he became in season one, rather than the pansy button pusher that we had to endure through last season.
I think my big problem with the show is that there are too many questions that haven't been answered yet. People hear voices in the forest, the Black Rock (No one ever went back and said Wow, I found a pirate ship!), Adam & Eve, Danielle, the cable that runs to the island, addressing the Michael & Walt situation.
Other than those things, which are quite minor really, I think the show is still more imaginative than reality drivel, and each week makes me bang my frigging head looking for clues and answers.
Got to watch it over my lunch break.
I don't think it was a betrayal to his character at all. He finally said what he had believed since he was a little boy. They prefaced it well with the confession booth after he stole food for his little brother, and referenced his first flashback episode to confirm it. He was ALWAYS about doing what he had to do to survive, and he couldn't come to grips with saying that he was wrong in killing a man so that his brother may live. In his mind, that just didn't make sense. He was far from peaceful afterward, as well. He threatened the resurrected girl when she spoke the name of Yemi, and he had a rather nasty nature about him at all times. He wasn't a bad person, just misguided.
I for one liked this episode. We have two new characters being introduced, just according to plan. It's why you have that many people on the island in the first place, it's so you can call upon that many characters when you're starting to get short on up-front survivors. The girl is kinda hot, so it's nice that we have a replacement for Libby now. And I don't think they played up her smarts at all. I think she's just extremely observant. We may find out that she's into puzzle solving, or something along those lines, and really like her as a character. I'd give her a chance. The guy, on the other hand, still annoys me. He's really contributed by flushing......
As far as Jack/Juliet/Benry is concerned, I really hope they stay true to the dialogue and script that they are writing. Do you know what I mean? For example, if Juliet and Benry were both just conning Jack, I'd be upset. Because for one, when Jack was NOT there, Ben was upset with Juliet for bringing Jack. For two, he confronted her about the X-rays. So they really are trying to con each other here, and I hope the writers stay true to that. I'd be seriously pissed if the Others were just saying stuff to each other behind closed doors just to fool the audience.
And did anyone else laugh when Jack pulled the number on Ben?
"Oh, okay then, my mistake!"
It is the EXACT same line that Ben pulled on Jack and Locke in the hatch. :p
Rose was black last time I saw her-and when the show first started-back when it was great-I was convinced they were in Purgatory and I thought she was GOD.
LOST has jumped the Shark-I'm so P.Oed right now-must formulate thoughts for proper response......WORKING.
Another point...Juliet tells Jack via cuecards-don't believe anything I say and then verbally says"trust me"Alarm bells are ringing Vinnie.
clixer11
11/02/2006, 14:14
At this point, there is nothing the show could ever do to convince me that Ben is a 'good' guy.
Here it is, there are people from a plane crash trapped on some mysterious island, and instead of helping them (or just leaving them alone) they kidnap them, shoot them, and torture them.
If it turned out they were the most important people on the planet, that still wouldn't justify their antagonistic methods.
Just to add on here...
I have a friend that frequents other LOST boards, and he's telling the rumor mill is saying that this season we find out that the Others are actually "good guys".
Okay. Believe it or not, but for now just go with my tirade here.
I have basically arrived at this conclusion:
Whatever The Others are protecting/researching, it had better be so dang important that their actions thus far are justified. And I'm hoping we don't get an overreactionnary, "70s CIA" motivation to explain it away. It is staggering to me that The Others' first reaction to a plane crash is to spy and abduct without even a thought toward helping the survivors. I'll go with it for now, but I'm dying to see what is so important that it drives The Others to this kind of cost-benefit analysis toward dealing with newcomers.
As far as last night's episode, that didn't even seem like the Ecko I remembered.
hail_eris
11/02/2006, 14:34
It is staggering to me that The Others' first reaction to a plane crash is to spy and abduct without even a thought toward helping the survivors.
Islands tend to be virtually closed ecosystems. You introduce foreign elements to them and those foreign elements, if they're allowed to expand unchecked, tend to run rampant at the expense of indigenous species. The Losties aren't survivors - they're invaders. They brought savagery and chaos to an idyllic paradise of book clubs and button pushing. Since they arrived, they've killed a dozen people (both Others and their own), destroyed a research facility, and played havoc with the local wildlife (Sawyer's frogicide being a prime example). Ben would have been a fool not to investigate these outsiders.
Incidentally, why is it that the island's magic isn't working on Ben's tumor? It halted Rose's cancer, cured Charlie's smack habit, and put Locke back on his feet. Maybe the natives have developed an immunity to it?
clixer11
11/02/2006, 14:39
Ah okay. So the crash survivors were immediately presumed guilty of future acts.
Incidentally, why is it that the island's magic isn't working on Ben's tumor? It halted Rose's cancer, cured Charlie's smack habit, and put Locke back on his feet. Maybe the natives have developed an immunity to it?
Or because he's on the wrong island.
The show's writers worked a beautiful yin/yang living backgammon game in Locke and Ecko-then-for no real apparent reason a beast of smoke comes up and clobbers one of the more interesting pieces.SMOKE-whattheheck???!!!???
I think the original focus is gone and the powers that be have ZERO idea where they are going with the stories.If something becomes complicated-kill it.What a great concept.At least I have HEROES.
absolutvt69
11/02/2006, 16:34
And I realize that the actor supposedly requested to be written out of the show but I just didn't like the way they did it. Eko had been "religious" since they landed on the island and then all the sudden he's not sorry for anything? Huh? Then why did he not talk for 40 days after killing 2 of the Others? It was like the whole time he'd been on the island he'd been trying to be "good" and then for no reason... suddenly he feels justified in his actions... but then when the monster appears Eko starts praying... Is he religious... or not? And then he dies. Also... how come the monster didn't take Eko the first time? They came face to face and he stood his ground... why didn't it kill him then? (Aside from the obvious, the writers weren't ready for him to die yet). I want to believe there's a rhyme and reason to this all but episodes like this make me scratch my head. I'm not going to say anything crazy like "I'm done watching this show" b/c I know I'll keep watching. I'm just not happy with the resolution of Eko's part in all this.
Also... how come the monster didn't take Eko the first time? They came face to face and he stood his ground... why didn't it kill him then? (Aside from the obvious, the writers weren't ready for him to die yet).
I took it as he was being punished for his unrepentance. Also, he said "I'm ready" before meeting with Yemi.
So is it meant to be believed that the security/smoke is what's masquerading as dead people on the island? Yemi, Jack's dad, Shannon, Boone?
At this point, there is nothing the show could ever do to convince me that Ben is a 'good' guy.
Here it is, there are people from a plane crash trapped on some mysterious island, and instead of helping them (or just leaving them alone) they kidnap them, shoot them, and torture them.
If it turned out they were the most important people on the planet, that still wouldn't justify their antagonistic methods.
Agreed. I said something similar last week or so.
Islands tend to be virtually closed ecosystems. You introduce foreign elements to them and those foreign elements, if they're allowed to expand unchecked, tend to run rampant at the expense of indigenous species. The Losties aren't survivors - they're invaders. They brought savagery and chaos to an idyllic paradise of book clubs and button pushing. Since they arrived, they've killed a dozen people (both Others and their own), destroyed a research facility, and played havoc with the local wildlife (Sawyer's frogicide being a prime example). Ben would have been a fool not to investigate these outsiders.
Incidentally, why is it that the island's magic isn't working on Ben's tumor? It halted Rose's cancer, cured Charlie's smack habit, and put Locke back on his feet. Maybe the natives have developed an immunity to it?
This is a good point...
--BUT--
All the Others had to do right when they saw the plane crash was notify the proper authorities using their hidden technology [short wave radio which would not be long affected by the EMP that brought the TransAtlantic down].
Survivors are rescued and the Others go back to living the lives of hermits.
By not assisting the Survivors the Others brought all the deaths and misery they so-called suffered all upon themselves.
This would have been the logical answer. And, the simple fact that the Others didn't take it only proves they are up to something.
hail_eris
11/02/2006, 18:23
Eko had been "religious" since they landed on the island and then all the sudden he's not sorry for anything? Huh? Then why did he not talk for 40 days after killing 2 of the Others? It was like the whole time he'd been on the island he'd been trying to be "good" and then for no reason... suddenly he feels justified in his actions... but then when the monster appears Eko starts praying... Is he religious... or not? And then he dies. Also... how come the monster didn't take Eko the first time? They came face to face and he stood his ground... why didn't it kill him then?
The first time Eko ran into the smoke monster, he was still hanging onto his faith and the burden that it placed on him (building a church, carving verses into the Bible Thumper, etc.). In other words, he hadn't given up yet. Since then, his faith changed quite a bit. He became, for lack of a better term, a button worshipper. Well, you destroy the button, you destroy the object of worship (and, thus, the faith invested in it). He didn't have anything left but himself, and he was at peace with that. Eko's death was a replay of Ana Lucia's. As soon as each of them resolved their respective conflicts about the lives they had taken (Ana Lucia accepting her role, Eko rejecting his), it was time for them to go.
If Ben can get a copy of the World Series tape, why can't he either A) Go to the mayo clinic himself, or B) order a sympathetic spinal surgeon to come to him?
clixer11
11/02/2006, 20:00
If Ben can get a copy of the World Series tape, why can't he either A) Go to the mayo clinic himself, or B) order a sympathetic spinal surgeon to come to him?
The tape is a hoax...it's from some funky ### quasi-reality where the Sox won the Series, not the REAL world of LOST where that #### could never happen.
Agreed. I said something similar last week or so.
Well.... yeah, okay. You're right, there's really no way he could come out of this looking good. Still, I have a feeling there's some sort of twist ahead....
If Ben can get a copy of the World Series tape, why can't he either A) Go to the mayo clinic himself, or B) order a sympathetic spinal surgeon to come to him?
Because that would be too easy. This is TV, you can't do the simple things.
Komixfrk75
11/02/2006, 23:22
Another point...Juliet tells Jack via cuecards-don't believe anything I say and then verbally says"trust me"Alarm bells are ringing Vinnie.
She said not to pay attention to what she was saying. She was talking to him thru the taped message not the words she was speaking.
The only question I have with that whole scene is that this: Does Juliet mean what she wrote on the cue-cards, or are they testing Jack to see if they can trust him with the surgery and such?
VelvetGuru9
11/03/2006, 06:31
and what of Locke and Eko's versions of seeing the 'island'? Locke's vision was a beautiful white light and Eko's was always the dark smoke. :ermm:
and what of Locke and Eko's versions of seeing the 'island'? Locke's vision was a beautiful white light and Eko's was always the dark smoke. :ermm:
I interpreted that to represent their faith. As revealed in this week's episode, Eko never truly had faith; he wanted to, and he tried, but I think that the point was that in his heart he never really did, thus the black smoke. Locke saw white light because his faith has always been strong; if anything, he's the opposite of Eko in that way. No matter what, he always clings to his faith - in fact, I would argue that part of the reason he got so angry when he thought the button was just an experiment was because he felt like his faith was being manipulated.
Of course, that's just my thoughts - those and a nickel might get you a stick of gum...:p
VelvetGuru9
11/03/2006, 09:06
I interpreted that to represent their faith. As revealed in this week's episode, Eko never truly had faith; he wanted to, and he tried, but I think that the point was that in his heart he never really did, thus the black smoke. Locke saw white light because his faith has always been strong; if anything, he's the opposite of Eko in that way. No matter what, he always clings to his faith - in fact, I would argue that part of the reason he got so angry when he thought the button was just an experiment was because he felt like his faith was being manipulated.
Of course, that's just my thoughts - those and a nickel might get you a stick of gum...:p
Isn't that always the same thing with Locke? In his back-stories, he's always being manipulated by someone; his father, that policeman from this season's episode, the girl from the phone service, pushing the button, Benry... Everything with Locke revolves around his faith and how he's always manipulated. I think that's why Benry told him in season 2 that he was the person they wanted. Benry knew he could manipulate Locke. Now it turns out to be Jack, but Benry had to plant that seed of manipulation in Locke's head.
I agree with you about Locke's and Eko's differences in what they've seen. white/black, good/evil, saint/sinner...
The producers have said that next week's episode is going to make us wait breathlessly for when they renew the series in February. I hope they give us some more answers too. Like whatever happened to Desmond's girl Penelope? Last we saw of her she was starting some investigation of some sort. And what does her father, Hanso have to do with the others?
Stepper79
11/03/2006, 17:09
this was on scifi.com regarding Mr Eko
Lost Producers Explain Death
Lost executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof told TV Guide's Michael Ausiello that this week's death of a major character was planned all along. (Spoilers ahead!) In the Nov. 1 episode, Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) met his demise in the clutches of the mysterious smoke monster.
Cuse told Ausiello that Mr. Eko was never long for this world. "When Adewale came on the show, he didn't want to make a long-term commitment to a series," Cuse said. "We love him, and so we agreed that he would come on the show, and then we would find a time in which his arc would come to an end. And we sort of felt after a lot of conversations with him—most of which took place at the end of the spring last year—that we would finish his character somewhere in [these first] six episodes. And as we started talking about what was going to really help the drama of these six episodes, we thought, 'Well, this is the perfect place to do it.' As we said, we all kind of went into this [with the idea] that it was only going to be for a limited period of time."
As for rumors that Akinnuoye-Agbaje had strained relations with the rest of the cast and crew? "We don't really talk about anything other than the creative decisions made on the show," Lindelof said. "If you're hearing it from other people, you're not hearing that from us. Not to mention, we're in L.A. So we would never let that kind of thing determine the creative direction of the show. We're all in the service of the story." Lost winds up its first six episodes of the season on Nov. 8 before taking a 13-week hiatus. It airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. PT/ET.
VelvetGuru9
11/08/2006, 08:42
I am super excited about tonight's episode!
absolutvt69
11/08/2006, 10:29
Anybody else read these analysis pieces on EW.com? Usually half of it makes my head hurt and half of it I find really interesting... just like this week's column:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1556185_3_0_,00.html
The stuff about The Hero's Journey is really interesting and definitely seems to have some sort of connection.
VelvetGuru9
11/08/2006, 11:10
Anybody else read these analysis pieces on EW.com? Usually half of it makes my head hurt and half of it I find really interesting... just like this week's column:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1556185_3_0_,00.html
The stuff about The Hero's Journey is really interesting and definitely seems to have some sort of connection.
I read it earlier and all I got out of it that didn't hurt my brain was this: "... well, actually, due to the hush-hush cliffhanger nature of tonight's episode — Lost's last outing until February — Cuse would like to maintain as much secrecy as possible. So today's THREE-WORD TEASE from Cuse is:
''Commitment changes everything!''
But you're right on that other stuff about The Hero's Journey...and the writer's one too.
After tonight's show... a 13 week hiatus. Almost another whole summer break.
I wonder if I'll still have any interest in this show when it comes back in February.
That could all hinge on the strength of tonight's episode.
:ermm:
Superfro
11/08/2006, 11:47
I wonder if I'll still have any interest in this show when it comes back in February.
That could all hinge on the strength of tonight's episode.
:ermm:
Even if the show tonight is the lamest ever, you know you'll still have to check it out again in Feb. :p (They really need to kick it up though and go out with a bang. :ermm: )
absolutvt69
11/08/2006, 12:19
Even if the show tonight is the lamest ever, you know you'll still have to check it out again in Feb. :p (They really need to kick it up though and go out with a bang. :ermm: )
Yeah I know several people who have "given up" on the show... only to call me a few weeks later with "I watched Lost tonight and it was awesome but I didn't watch it for the past month so can you give me a quick recap"... as if you can quickly recap anything about this show.
Yeah I know several people who have "given up" on the show... only to call me a few weeks later with "I watched Lost tonight and it was awesome but I didn't watch it for the past month so can you give me a quick recap"... as if you can quickly recap anything about this show.
I never quite understand why people say that. The "Previously, on Lost" segment gives them all the important info for that episode.
I never quite understand why people say that. The "Previously, on Lost" segment gives them all the important info for that episode.I'm with absolutvt on this one. You can't recap Lost, let alone in 30 seconds.
I've always felt these 'recaps' are more for the regular viewers to understand what's coming up rather than what's come before.
(Like when they'll put some little obscure tidbit in the recap so when that storyline picks back up in the current episode, regular viewers don't go 'huh?')
But if someone didn't see that episode at all, they'll still be Lost.
So I have a theory. Maybe Benry is testing not Jack, but Julia. He doesn't really have a tumor, but is making her believe he does, and that'll he need surgery.
So he's putting on an act for her, when they have their aside about Jack finding the X-rays.
Maybe he's finding out about her loyalty.
VelvetGuru9
11/08/2006, 13:45
I'm with absolutvt on this one. You can't recap Lost, let alone in 30 seconds.
I agree, I even have a hard time recapping the episode with my wife and we always talk about it just after the show ends.
I agree, I even have a hard time recapping the episode with my wife and we always talk about it just after the show ends.
You should try nightcapping the episode with your wife.
I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress.
VelvetGuru9
11/08/2006, 15:40
You should try nightcapping the episode with your wife.
I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress.
After 15 years of marriage, the last thing that woman wants to see is me trying to crawl on top during a day not named Saturday. :(
Man, what an epsiode. Jack still remains to be the baddest dude on the island and Kates ex-hubby is a Miami Heat fan!
Miami Heat baby all day!
cheers
wonderboy
11/09/2006, 01:12
Kate's ex-hubby is totally on the island. He's Nick Fury man! NICK F-in FURY! :)
P.S. The episode rocked.
Kate's ex-hubby is totally on the island. He's Nick Fury man! NICK F-in FURY! :)
P.S. The episode rocked.
Was that him?
cheers
VelvetGuru9
11/09/2006, 06:45
Kate's ex was a heat fan and worked for Miami-Dade Police. What an ending!!! Jack and Kate had something planned. Remember the wink/nod they gave each other just as they were captured? What was that all about? Did Jack somehow figure out they were being led to a trap? Remember Sayid had told him that Michael was 'compromised'. What if Jack figured that out of the four people who were asked to go to get Walt, that he was the only one with a skill that may be needed on on island. And figuring that they went to elaborate lengths to get him, that it was a life or death situation, he knew he'd eventually be able to get the upper hand. I don't know...all this thinking has given me a headache. Excederin, here I come.
Stepper79
11/09/2006, 08:56
Kate's ex was a heat fan and worked for Miami-Dade Police. What an ending!!! Jack and Kate had something planned. Remember the wink/nod they gave each other just as they were captured? What was that all about? Did Jack somehow figure out they were being led to a trap? Remember Sayid had told him that Michael was 'compromised'. What if Jack figured that out of the four people who were asked to go to get Walt, that he was the only one with a skill that may be needed on on island. And figuring that they went to elaborate lengths to get him, that it was a life or death situation, he knew he'd eventually be able to get the upper hand. I don't know...all this thinking has given me a headache. Excederin, here I come.
Or maybe he noticed something on ben/henry when they had him captive - remember he was treating his wounds, and that during the treatment he may have seen signs of the Tumor or typical symptoms that lead him to connect the dots once they figured out that they we being lead into a trap. I guess we will find out next year
Anyone else watch that episode and think for an hour what a bunch of idiots the Losties are?
Kate and Sawyer could have at least run off somewhere a little safer to get it on.
Jack could have leveraged his situation for some answers. Like - "I'll do it, but you have to answer every single question I have." (Then he could still decline later anyway.)
The Others keep claiming they're "good", but the Losties haven't challenged them on it at all, as in "if you're so good, why do you keep us locked up and threatinging our lives at every turn?"
For everything they do, I can't help but think there were at least 3 better options that I could think of in 10 seconds. And frankly, I blame this on the writers. They just can't come up with better ways to create drama than by dumbing down the characters.
RE: Kate calling the US Marshal from a payphone and hanging up "before they could trace the call."
Uh, even in 2004 they had freakin' caller ID! How lame would the US marshal's office have to be not to be able to find the originating phone number and figure out where it came from.
*I* could do that, and I'm no marshal.
I was wholly dissapointed in the episode. The only interesting moment was seeing the actor that played Kate's husband.
I will toss out this easter egg though... Kate and hubby were in the Miami area, but far more subtle - Sawyer was held in a South Florida prison in his recent flashback. There will probalby end up being some connection between Sawyer and the hubby/cop/nickfury dude later.
(oh, and I'll mention one minor anachrinism - the cell phone Kate talks on in the supermarket wasn't available in 2004, or earlier.)
anonym0use
11/09/2006, 09:58
(oh, and I'll mention one minor anachrinism - the cell phone Kate talks on in the supermarket wasn't available in 2004, or earlier.)
I noticed that too... I thought they had a team of continuity experts working on stuff like that. I keep expecting at some point to actually see a Flash-forward. Maybe not this season, or even the next, but I wouldn't be surprised if towards the end of the show the writers try it.
Anyone else watch that episode and think for an hour what a bunch of idiots the Losties are?
Kate and Sawyer could have at least run off somewhere a little safer to get it on.
Yeah, my sentiments exactly. Didn't they know they were being watched?
Jack could have leveraged his situation for some answers. Like - "I'll do it, but you have to answer every single question I have." (Then he could still decline later anyway.)
The Others keep claiming they're "good", but the Losties haven't challenged them on it at all, as in "if you're so good, why do you keep us locked up and threatinging our lives at every turn?"
Or some even better questions:
"If you're so good
1.) What did you want with Walt?
2.) What did you want with Claire's Baby?
3.) Why did you kidnap all the children?"
I gotta say, I'm really disapointed by the turn of events for Mr. Eko. One of the most complex characters they had fell to what I feel was just bad writing.
I feel Eko filled the void as a sort of mystic/spiritual leader the way Locke was treated before Locke became engrossed with the hatch. With the hatch gone, I can see the writers not knowing what to do with Eko and hence is fate (which doesn't make sense anyways, as he's dealt with the smoke cloud before).
Personally, I would have relegated Eko to the same place Rose and Bernard have been...beach limbo...and have him pop up when the story demanded it. Eko was a real wildcard that could have propelled many stories. I think the writers unecessarily botched that one. It kind of diminishes the tail ender's plight from season 2.
Speaking of the smoke cloud: My theory is that the cloud is actually a beehive-like swarm of AI nanobots...
Stepper79
11/09/2006, 10:10
I gotta say, I'm really disapointed by the turn of events for Mr. Eko. One of the most complex characters they had fell to what I feel was just bad writing.
I feel Eko filled the void as a sort of mystic/spiritual leader the way Locke was treated before Locke became engrossed with the hatch. With the hatch gone, I can see the writers not knowing what to do with Eko and hence is fate (which doesn't make sense anyways, as he's dealt with the smoke cloud before).
Personally, I would have relegated Eko to the same place Rose and Bernard have been...beach limbo...and have him pop up when the story demanded it. Eko was a real wildcard that could have propelled many stories. I think the writers unecessarily botched that one. It kind of diminishes the tail ender's plight from season 2.
Speaking of the smoke cloud: My theory is that the cloud is actually a beehive-like swarm of AI nanobots...
While I agree with your statements regarding Mr Eko, having read the EW interview with the actor I can see why it happend that way. Basically the actor said he had had enough that he was used to star in movies and that continuing the character on a "weekly" basis was difficult for him and that he asked to be done last season but the writers/ got him to stick around for a few more episodes this season. He also said he was very disappointed to learn that the character he had originally being casts as (the Priest) was re-written to include the drug dealing thug part. ultimately I think they would have been better off letting Eko die in the Hatch implosion than take him out they way that they did.
here is the Article
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1553848_3||1045714|0_0_,00.html
absolutvt69
11/09/2006, 10:16
Speaking of the smoke cloud: My theory is that the cloud is actually a beehive-like swarm of AI nanobots...
The writers have said repeatedly that this is not true.
The episode was ok. I mean it moved pretty fast but Kate's flashback didn't really do much for me. As for them not running off to do it... I chalk it up to the heat of the moment ;-) I also half expected them to cut to Ben sitting in his little TV room watching Kate and Sawyer get it on. Because I think Ben would be into that kind of thing. Anybody else feel like they "allowed" Kate and Sawyer to hook up. Maybe they're trying to get Kate pregnant? Or maybe it was just to get her even more emotionally attached to Sawyer in order to have more control over her. I love that Jack didn't cave in when they threatened Sawyer and used Kate to try to manipulate him. Who unlocked his door though? Who was that on the intercom? I also had a feeling that Kate had put something in that guy's drink.
As for caller ID, I'm not sure that works on pay phones. I'm not sure how it works in real life but that part didn't really jump out at me as being out there or off. Also looks like Locke got an idea from Eko's Jesus stick. I guess he'll be heading North soon.
I'm not sure how Jack's plan of cutting Ben's kidney sack is going to work out. He doesn't know that they're on a different island. An hour's head start isn't going to do much for them when they have no method to get off the island. Also, I realize Juliet isn't a master surgeon or anything but given that she's had some medical training, it seems like she could stitch Ben back up if Jack refused. But again, I'm no expert so I really don't know.
VelvetGuru9
11/09/2006, 11:08
And the biggest thing my wife noticed (of course, only a woman would get this) is that as dirty as Kate looked and for as long as she had been locked up...her pits were shaved!
absolutvt69
11/09/2006, 11:13
And the biggest thing my wife noticed (of course, only a woman would get this) is that as dirty as Kate looked and for as long as she had been locked up...her pits were shaved!
They actually haven't been locked up that long. I mean they've only been on the island for like a total of 60 some days and that's over the course of 3 seasons. Season 3 started with them in captivity and I'd imagine less than a week of actual time has passed.
wonderboy
11/09/2006, 11:21
I'm not sure how Jack's plan of cutting Ben's kidney sack is going to work out. He doesn't know that they're on a different island. An hour's head start isn't going to do much for them when they have no method to get off the island. Also, I realize Juliet isn't a master surgeon or anything but given that she's had some medical training, it seems like she could stitch Ben back up if Jack refused. But again, I'm no expert so I really don't know.
Remember the others stole the sail boat and brought it back to the island. So we know there is a boat on the island for them to escape with. All they have to do is find it. Also Juliet, wouldn't save Ben because she wants Jack to kill him in surgery and make it look like an accident. She's tired of taking orders from Ben and wants some new leadership.
hail_eris
11/09/2006, 11:33
I was wholly dissapointed in the episode. The only interesting moment was seeing the actor that played Kate's husband.
Yeah, I've been IDing the actors on this show based on their previous roles from the get-go, so "Captain Tight Pants" from Firefly was a nice treat after the demise of Trixie from Deadwood.
And, for those of us who don't have TiVo, are y'all about sick to death of those blasted commercials for Day Break? Yeah, we get it, you really want a vehicle starring the poor man's Denzel to succeed. But more than a half dozen commercials for it over the course of an hour is overkill...
Superfro
11/09/2006, 11:38
I was wholly dissapointed in the episode. The only interesting moment was seeing the actor that played Kate's husband.
Agreed on both counts.
The only thing that stuck out for me last night was the throw away line about "Shephard wasn't even on Jacob's list". Since we know that Ethan's real name was Ethan, who the hell is this "Jacob"? :noid:
absolutvt69
11/09/2006, 11:49
Also Juliet, wouldn't save Ben because she wants Jack to kill him in surgery and make it look like an accident. She's tired of taking orders from Ben and wants some new leadership.
That's assuming you believe her... which I really don't.
anonym0use
11/09/2006, 12:15
... ultimately I think they would have been off letting Eko die in the Hatch implosion than take him out they way that they did.
Word.
thanks for the link to the article!
VelvetGuru9
11/09/2006, 12:37
They actually haven't been locked up that long. I mean they've only been on the island for like a total of 60 some days and that's over the course of 3 seasons. Season 3 started with them in captivity and I'd imagine less than a week of actual time has passed.
True, but we know she hasn't showered since she'd been put in the cage and that at least 3 days have passed, possibly more based on Jack and Sawyer's stubbly faces. Although Sawyer always looks like that.
JackAssterson
11/09/2006, 12:44
And, for those of us who don't have TiVo, are y'all about sick to death of those blasted commercials for Day Break? Yeah, we get it, you really want a vehicle starring the poor man's Denzel to succeed. But more than a half dozen commercials for it over the course of an hour is overkill...
Not to mention the "If you watch Daybreak, we'll give you snippets of upcoming Lost episodes! It's not just Groundhog Day with explosions! Really! Pleasepleaseplease waaaaatch!" spiel.
hail_eris
11/09/2006, 12:50
Not to mention the "If you watch Daybreak, we'll give you snippets of upcoming Lost episodes! It's not just Groundhog Day with explosions! Really! Pleasepleaseplease waaaaatch!" spiel.
Yeah, I've been calling it "Groundhog Taye" since the first commercial I saw. Don't they realize that those clips will be up on YouTube within a few minutes of their airing?
VelvetGuru9
11/09/2006, 13:25
One more thing thing about Benry's promise to Jack...I bet he does get him off that island. I bet he puts Jack right onto the other island. Whups, there you go Jack, I kept my promise, your off this island and back on tour original one. HAHA I guess the last joke is on you Jack.
I hate Benry!
anonym0use
11/09/2006, 14:50
One more thing thing about Benry's promise to Jack...I bet he does get him off that island. I bet he puts Jack right onto the other island. Whups, there you go Jack, I kept my promise, your off this island and back on tour original one. HAHA I guess the last joke is on you Jack.
I hate Benry!
Ha! That's the first thing I thought also. Never make a wish with a Genie...
Didn't see anything last night that made me say, "Man, I can't wait for the next episode!"
I'll watch it, because I like Lost, but this season really hasn't done much of anything for me.
I think I'm starting to side with those that believe that Benry might actually be the good guy, and that Juliet is the bad guy.
He asked her if the girl had asked about him, and she lied to him. Not only that, but he didn't seem to be asking on an information basis. He seemed to be asking for a peace of mind thing, and Juliet denied him that peace of mind.
Juliet is also cold and calculating, whereas Ben seems a little sympathetic. Which may be why they want him dead.
absolutvt69
11/10/2006, 09:43
I don't know... I've always thought Ben seemed pretty cold and calculating too. He's always trying to manipulate people. Honestly, I wouldn't trust him or Juliet. I'm not sure what's up but there's definitely more going on than we know (big shock there). BTW, I thought they had finally broken Jack when he saw Kate and Sawyer together on the monitor... I mean he had Ben at gunpoint and puts the gun down and agrees to do the surgery. Should have known he had a plan. Also... there was a split second there... where I thought that guy might actually shoot Sawyer.
VelvetGuru9
11/10/2006, 09:46
I think I'm starting to side with those that believe that Benry might actually be the good guy, and that Juliet is the bad guy.
He asked her if the girl had asked about him, and she lied to him. Not only that, but he didn't seem to be asking on an information basis. He seemed to be asking for a peace of mind thing, and Juliet denied him that peace of mind.
Juliet is also cold and calculating, whereas Ben seems a little sympathetic. Which may be why they want him dead.
I can't believe that Benry is good, He's just has a perfect character portrayal to hate. Besides, Look at how he manipulated and conned Sawyer by shoving something (a needle I'd guess) in his skin near his heart. He had to do it or Sawyer never would have believed the con.
Juliete on the other hand still makes me think that she's playing Jack. Jack is playing all of them and right now is a one man wrecking crew to the others' plans.
Life is always about a power struggle and Juliete may not be 'good', but may be using Jack to get Benry out of the way so that she can control the camp. When she's done, if my theory (# 107 in my database of lost theories) is correct, the ones who followed her and were rebelling against Benry may want to remember that little adage of, "Better the devil you know than the one you don't..."
VelvetGuru9
11/10/2006, 09:51
Also... there was a split second there... where I thought that guy might actually shoot Sawyer.
I had the same exact thought. Especially when Sawyer gave them that look upwards where all you see is the whites of his eyes. But then I thought, This isn't like Sawyer, He's always been a fighter, or maybe he was just waiting for an opening, but it seemed weird that he was gonna just let the guy take a shot. Damn, just more theories for me to work on! Well, better get started on theory #108.
wonderboy
11/10/2006, 10:16
As soon as Kate and Sawyer had sex, I thought to myself..uh oh...someone's gonna die. ;) So, yeah, for a second there I thought they might actually kill Sawyer to stay true to the "have sex and die" curse.
But I guess the power of popularity broke the curse. :rolleyes:
VelvetGuru9
11/13/2006, 00:37
only twelve and a half more weeks ::sigh::
VelvetGuru9
11/13/2006, 06:36
Dear Journal, six hours have passed since my last entry and still no sign of the survivors.
VelvetGuru9
11/14/2006, 06:33
Day 2 and still not sure what is happening to Sawyer. I'm afraid for Freckles too.
VelvetGuru9
11/15/2006, 06:25
Day 3 of my LOST journal, Today is Wednesday and I'm afraid. What will I do between 9 and 10 tonight. Is it possible that I may have a conversation with my wife? Damn you Lost for abandoning me!
After some time has passed, I am kinda peeved at Lost. We have learned a lot about the Others now...but what about the numbers? What about Libby's past connection with Hurley? What about the secret food rashions that get delivered? What about the Russian listening station and the woman? You cannot get anything done in 6 episodes....
VelvetGuru9
11/15/2006, 22:05
10 PM and am starting to go through Lost withdrawals. I'm shaky and nervous. I don't smoke but could use a cigarette right now.
VelvetGuru9
11/16/2006, 06:45
Day 4 of my LOST journal - Sawyerrrrrrr, please tell me you're alright. ::crying:: Why Freckles, whyyyy? I'll just keep telling myself I'm okay and it will all get better.
After some time has passed, I am kinda peeved at Lost. We have learned a lot about the Others now...but what about the numbers? What about Libby's past connection with Hurley? What about the secret food rashions that get delivered? What about the Russian listening station and the woman? You cannot get anything done in 6 episodes....
Did we even see Hurley for the past 7 episodes? I think we might have saw him once maybe twice. My guess is that they'll get back to the main island for the winter/spring season. I do hope that they don't get into the habit of breaking the season up like this. 3 months hiatus? Seems a bit arrogant to me. Especially with Heroes positioning themselves to take the same type of viewer.
As an aside, Daybreak wasn't too bad.
VelvetGuru9
11/17/2006, 08:55
Dear Lost Journal, just 12 more weeks until I see you again. This first trimester may be the hardest to handle as I get over my addiction for you.
VelvetGuru9
11/18/2006, 10:30
Dear Lost Journal, How does Sawyer maintain a beautiful 4 to 6 day growth of facial hair so well?
Wyldstaar
11/18/2006, 17:36
Dear Lost Journal, How does Sawyer maintain a beautiful 4 to 6 day growth of facial hair so well?
He comes by it naturally. Sawyer doesn't know it, but he was actually adopted. His real father is Sonny Crockett from Miami Vice.
VelvetGuru9
11/18/2006, 21:32
He comes by it naturally. Sawyer doesn't know it, but he was actually adopted. His real father is Sonny Crockett from Miami Vice.
I knew it, and I bet he even has his own theme song by Phil Collins too.
ReZourceman
11/20/2006, 06:53
A) Whats Daybreak?
B) What does it say of the last Episodes of Lost if my first reply in the Lost thread is not even about Lost?
Ecko Ep ; Meh, WTH is this? Smoke bull carp? They have done TOO much stuff in Lost, so that now they are going to have such a hard time of writing themselves out of it, short of "It was all a dream" *With wavy hand motions*
Seriously what is this carp? They cannot explain it all.
Last Ep ; Meh. Cap Mal was the best thing about, Jack seems pretty cool and the rest was pretty meh. (Sawyer adds another notch to his island shags)
Its reasons like this, why I should watch Lost before Heroes, because it makes it look like total carp, when in reality its just mild carp.
VelvetGuru9
11/20/2006, 22:09
Dear Lost Journal, what is this Heroes everyone keeps mentioning?
ReZourceman
11/21/2006, 06:37
what is this Heroes everyone keeps mentioning?
(I know your journal is kinda a gag but....Are you joking?)
VelvetGuru9
11/21/2006, 14:55
yeah the journal is a gag and I know what Heroes is, but I've just never watched an episode of it. I barely have time for Lost let alone a second tv show.
VelvetGuru9
11/22/2006, 06:34
dear Lost Journal, my fingers are almost too cold to type. will write tomorrow when temps go higher.
ReZourceman
11/22/2006, 07:48
I barely have time for Lost let alone a second tv show.
Simple answer ; Ditch Lost and pick up Heroes. It is 100% infinitely better. I assure you.
VelvetGuru9
11/22/2006, 09:02
yeah the journal is a gag and I know what Heroes is, but I've just never watched an episode of it. I barely have time for Lost let alone a second tv show.
Simple answer ; Ditch Lost and pick up Heroes. It is 100% infinitely better. I assure you.
No can do, it's like dating. You leave one girl after two and a half years for the prettier girl (cheerleader in this case) and then you find out that after two and a half more years that it's more of the same. :nervous:
Holy cow, I just found the start of Sawyer's life of crime!
One of our local radio stations has thousands of streaming music videos, so I was watching a few of them today. So I bring up Aerosmith's Cryin' - great music and Alicia Silverstone, how can you go wrong?
Well, lo and behold, the punk who steals her backpack in the cafe is none other than Sawyer!
Here (http://www.1031kcda.com/cc-common/videos_on_demand/) is a link to the site if you want to check it out yourself :grin:
Wyldstaar
11/23/2006, 09:45
Yeah, that comes up every fifteen or twenty pages on this thread.
Yeah, that comes up every fifteen or twenty pages on this thread.
Methinks you're mixing this thread up with another Lost thread you may read on another site. ;)
I know that the video was a surprise to me, and since I've been on this thread from the start I thought I'd have remembered that. So I just went back and double checked all 79 pages - not one mention of it :grin:
VelvetGuru9
11/23/2006, 20:37
Yeah, that comes up every fifteen or twenty pages on this thread.
yeah, I thought I was one up on my wife and showed it to her and she yawned and told me that she read about that on the Fuselage site long ago. Damn! Just once I want to show her something first about Lost.
ReZourceman
11/24/2006, 07:39
Lost Season 3 Episodes 7-12 Spoilers. (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2374446&posted=1#post2374446)
VelvetGuru9
11/25/2006, 22:46
Dear Lost Journal, if Kate was here now..."thinking"...then how could she get back to the set with me blocking the door? Just a thought.
VelvetGuru9
11/27/2006, 06:24
Matthew Fox on SNL this week...does he need more cowbells?
Wyldstaar
11/27/2006, 17:33
Matthew Fox on SNL this week...does he need more cowbells?
Maybe that's the disease that Danielle was going on about. The fever for which the only cure was "more cowbell." I doubt there are any cowbells on The Island.
VelvetGuru9
11/28/2006, 13:56
Jack: "You heard me Benry Gale, I said you've got a tumor as big as a cowbell"
VelvetGuru9
11/29/2006, 06:34
Dear Lost Journal, another Wednesday with nothing to do. Damn you and your 13 weeks off.
VelvetGuru9
12/03/2006, 10:25
Dear Lost Journal, Matthew Fox was on SNL last night, and my wife agreed with all the female cast members about how kissable he is. What am I; chopped overweight liver past it's expiration date that plays with plastic men? uhmmm, please no one answer that.
VelvetGuru9
12/05/2006, 13:39
Dear Lost Journal, the tremors are gone and I think I may be able to get over my addiction to LOST. maybe not though, please baby, give me some more, I'll quit after the next episode. No, I don't need Betty Ford's clinic. Just give me a teaser, a taste, a trailer, please oh please...
absolutvt69
12/06/2006, 10:43
Just an FYI, when Lost comes back in Feb, it will air at 10 PM instead of 9 to avoid going against the American Idol results show. Doesn't matter to me since I don't watch American Idol anyways but I figured people would want to know.
VelvetGuru9
12/07/2006, 09:31
I'm dreaming of a Lost Christmas, Just like the Wednesday shows I'd see, where the plot always thickens, and Benry sickens, and Kate's dress just does it for me.
Please Santa, bring me season two on DVD.
doctor_x
12/14/2006, 10:58
For what it's worth:
I came to these conclusions from clues on the official Lost website.
A fan asked the creators on a podcast if there were 2 different groups of Others and they said yes.
Then supposedly one aspect of the island that the survivors are on dovetails elements from a Criton novel dealing with nanotechnology.
So here goes the theory:
The others are/were a part of the original Dharma Project.
One group was primarily dedicated to human developement, etc(and the survivors are on that island), and the other group dealt with animals(hence the polar bears and the tank area where Jack is being held)on that island where Jack, Kate & Sawyer are now.
This could be cloning, biotech, mental/psychic developement, etc.
(The polar bears either got loose and swam to the other island-after all, it only took them 2 hrs to get a fish biscuit!-they or were let loose there intentionally.
Henry/Patricks group obviously still have connections to the outside world and may have found a different financial backer aside from who funds Dharma. I believe they have gone into human studies now along with animals-hence the rabbit that pat had).
The smoke monster is nanotechnology, and reads minds/emotions(that's why it killed an unrepentant Echo)and can transform itself into images from people's past. It has been all the images of dead people seen so far, and has given them help/guidance in this way.
The person's reactions while dealing with the smoke monster are then monitered by this faction of Others. Their purpose may also be sorta like the Star Trek episode Shore Leave-but more sick and twisted. A person may use the smoke monster to test/better themselves or have it hunt them down or hunt it-but this was all done in the past. Or was it? Is the mad french woman an Other? Hmmm....
The 2 groups of Others split off for some reason in the past-the smoke monster Others are secretly trying to help the Survivors against Pat's group while still staying true to their original goals of human experimentation.
Pat's group wants help from Jack only to keep Pat in the game against the smoke monster others. Otherwise-they have written off the survivors. The only thing they want from them are children for some reason.
Just my .02.
What are some of your theories?
Interesting...
I found my interest in the show waning some during hte "mini-season" but I'm starting to gain interest again. Maybe it's just withdrawl, I'm not sure...
absolutvt69
12/14/2006, 13:29
I thought it had been confirmed by the creators that the "smoke" monster was NOT nanotechnology. I saw that theory a long time ago and it was dismissed, I just can't remember why. Also... who is Pat?
JackAssterson
12/14/2006, 13:33
I thought it had been confirmed by the creators that the "smoke" monster was NOT nanotechnology. I saw that theory a long time ago and it was dismissed, I just can't remember why. Also... who is Pat?
The nano smoke monster theory was specifically debunked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29#Discredited_theories
VelvetGuru9
12/18/2006, 11:15
All I want for Christmas is to see Kate in that dress again...all sweaty and dirty...
doctor_x
12/18/2006, 14:42
"Pat" is/was "Henry", the "prisoner" that the "survivors" had "given" to them by the "mad" french woman in season 2..... :p
No nanotech huh?
Bummer-now I'm stumped.
absolutvt69
12/18/2006, 15:53
"Pat" is/was "Henry", the "prisoner" that the "survivors" had "given" to them by the "mad" french woman in season 2..... :p
No nanotech huh?
Bummer-now I'm stumped.
I'm pretty sure his name is Ben, not Pat.
I'm pretty sure his name is Ben, not Pat.
It was; I'm not sure who Pat is.
And velvetguru - your journal thing is seriously creeping me out...
absolutvt69
12/18/2006, 16:43
It was; I'm not sure who Pat is.
And velvetguru - your journal thing is seriously creeping me out...
With all the characters and the fact that so many of them have different names or nicknames, it's very easy to get confused. Chances are before everything is said and done, there WILL be a Pat.
VelvetGuru9
12/18/2006, 23:42
Dear Lost Journal, I have these weird feelings I'm being watched by 'the others' I know the numbers mean something, but what about the letters cattmoe? It seems the letters when adjusted to numbers, a= 1 and z = 26 add up to 77. 7 is a prime number and the only other number to be divisble by 77 is 11...another prime number. And if you lay those numbers out in a graph going down one space for each letter the numbers make an S. S for other{S}! Or in other words Cattmoe is one of the others!!!
Stepper79
12/20/2006, 15:37
VelvetGuru9 here is something for your journal from Newsarma.com
On his messageboard, Brian K. Vaughn has posted an update of what's going to be keeping him busy in the coming months:
Sorry I've been so coy about these rumors, but I always like to wait until the contracts have been signed and the "first trimester" has been survived until I talk about stuff.
But yes, inexplicably, I've been hired as an Executive Story Editor by the fantastic television show LOST. As I'm neither an executive nor an editor, this is really just a fancy Hollywood way of saying that I've joined the writing staff.
I can't talk about much more than that, so I implore you to please stop asking me what the island is, who the Others are, how Matthew Fox smells, etc. Still, I will say that I'm insanely honored to join such an amazing group of writers (some of their new scripts I've been lucky enough to read are destined to become the best episodes of the series), and I'm very grateful to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse for having so much faith in me.
And no, I'm absolutely not leaving comics. There are a lot of Y: The Last Man and Ex Machina fans at the show, so everyone has been great about leaving me just enough time to work on those books, and even some new ones, including an upcoming four-issue stint on that Runaways guy Joss Whedon's "eighth season" of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER over at Dark Horse. Stay tuned for news on the all-important creator-owned front, as well.
I've learned more about the creative process in two weeks inside the Lost writers' room than I did in four (very rewarding) years at NYU's film school, so hopefully, this new challenge will push me to become a stronger writer and help my work to evolve.
Mostly, I just don't want to screw up a show that I love.
Superfro
12/20/2006, 15:40
Good for Vaughn! However as a fan of Ex Machina, I know what this will mean. Regardless of what he says. Anyone that's involved in TV/movies and comics has thus far ALWAYS put comics on the back burner. Time will tell, but mark my words. :tired:
VelvetGuru9
12/20/2006, 16:27
VelvetGuru9 here is something for your journal from Newsarma.com
Thanks Stepper, this great news for Losties! :laugh:
VelvetGuru9
12/20/2006, 16:28
Lost Headlines #1
A few weeks back we were ahead of the pack with news of Day Break's unceremonious ejection from ABC's broadcast calendar. Well, we're at it again with buzz of mammoth proportions. Apparently, amid fears that the ongoing string of critically challenged replacements will bury ABC's chances of regaining its Wednesday footing, execs at the alphabet network have dropped in on the LOST crew with the following proposition: how much money do you need to get LOST on the air early....
This would be huge news for LOST fans who are still spasming over a dread seven weeks with no new material. For sure the move would generate humongous buzz for the network which is still reeling from what is considered a series of bad mistakes over its once dominate Wednesday night line up.
If it is done, LOST would return January 10th or January 17th, three to four weeks earlier then previously expected. The dependent factor is whether or not the production can be rounded out in time so that the series does not miss a week. The cost for beefing up LOST's post production temporarily seems well worth saving some face with a jaded fan base. Such a move could very well make ABC the most fan-friendly network out there.
VelvetGuru9
12/20/2006, 16:31
When word recently leaked that Lost had cast actress Bai Ling for a three-episode stint starting in February, even loyalists began to wonder whether Lost had finally lost it. It seems that Ling — known for her work in Red Corner — doesn't exactly command much respect. Wrote one poster at thetailsection.com: ''I kind of view [her] casting as a jump the shark situation. I hope I'm wrong.'' Well...you are! At least partially. Contrary to reports, the actress will appear in just one episode of the ABC drama — flashbacks in which the secret of Jack's (Matthew Fox) made-in-Thailand tattoos will be revealed. Moreover, Lost thinks Bai Ling is awesome! ''She's off-the-charts sexy and a damn good actress,'' says exec producer Carlton Cuse. On the other hand, Losties seemed rather high (and then very, very hungry) about another bit of quirky casting: Cheech Marin, who is somewhat short, has been tapped to play father to Hurley, who is somewhat...not short. ''He's quite a good actor,'' says Cuse, who used to be Marin's boss on Nash Bridges. ''People only think of him as the doobie-smoking '70s dude. But he played Tyne Daly's love interest in Judging Amy. C'mon!'' While we're being wacky: How about asking Don Johnson to match stubbled cheeks and drawls with Sawyer? ''No,'' says Cuse. See? Those Lost guys do know what they're doing.
Bai Ling is superfine!!!!!! I hope she's quite revealing in her role :cheeky:
VelvetGuru9
12/27/2006, 19:05
Yes Dear LOST journal, January is almost here. I've missed you...soon we shall be together again :knockedou
It's probably been out for a while now, but I saw a preview for the new season (or second part of the season, I guess) tonight. Looked pretty good, although interestingly there was no sign of Sayid....
JackAssterson
01/16/2007, 12:15
Couple of new rumors (well, new as far as I know)
1. Next season Lost will run all 22 episodes back to back a la 24, possibly starting in mid-season a la 24. Longer wait for the season to start, but no dead time.
2. Apparantly the magic number of Lost seasons is 7. Producers have been saying they want a definate end to the show, citing X-Files as an example of a good thing that went too long. Whether or not folks will stick to the plan if Lost is still drawing ratings by then...who knows?
ReZourceman
01/17/2007, 04:43
7 Seasons? Pffft Lost is already a good thing thats gone too long....Unless thay can redeem the next episodes, in which I can see an absolute maximum of 5 seasons.
Ugh.
24 > Heroes > Prison Break > LOST.
absolutvt69
01/17/2007, 09:12
7 Seasons? Pffft Lost is already a good thing thats gone too long....Unless thay can redeem the next episodes, in which I can see an absolute maximum of 5 seasons.
Ugh.
24 > Heroes > Prison Break > LOST.
Never got into Prison Break and I saw a lot of people mocking it last season. They can definitely do 7 seasons. The main problem is they need to start answering some more questions instead of just skipping over them in favor of creating new questions. It's dropped off but not quite to the level that some people make it seem.
On a side note, I heard today that Evangeline Lilly wants out. I heard she's sick of being an actress and tired of all the fame and just wants to be done with it. I guess it could get old going from obscurity to being recognized everywhere but I think Kate is pretty integral to the show. I'm not sure they can just kill her off they way they did Mr. Eko.
Never got into Prison Break and I saw a lot of people mocking it last season. They can definitely do 7 seasons. The main problem is they need to start answering some more questions instead of just skipping over them in favor of creating new questions. It's dropped off but not quite to the level that some people make it seem.
On a side note, I heard today that Evangeline Lilly wants out. I heard she's sick of being an actress and tired of all the fame and just wants to be done with it. I guess it could get old going from obscurity to being recognized everywhere but I think Kate is pretty integral to the show. I'm not sure they can just kill her off they way they did Mr. Eko.
I agree. People are talking a lot of smack right now because it's been gone so ong and a lot of the other shows are starting up again, but once Lost gets going it'll die down. That being said, 7 seasons does sound like a long time, especially if it means it'll take that long for us to get some answers to the really significant stuff. They'll lose everybody if that's the case.
And Lost without Kate? They couldn't do it. No way. They'd have to get another actress to play her, and I hate it when they do that....
JackAssterson
01/18/2007, 13:25
A very interesting interview with Executive Producer Damon Lindelof is on ign. Somewhat spoilerish. I'll put some highlights below in patented inviso-text:
Q: When do you think Lost should end?
Lindelof: Personally speaking, from the word go, it always felt to me like somewhere in the neighborhood between 90 and a 100 episodes was going to be a version of Lost where we never had to do the bad scenes or the stall scenes and back off of the story we wanted to tell. We knew season one was going to be introductions, season two was going to be into the hatch, season three was going to be The Others. I don't want to tell you what season four is going to be, and then there was a wrap up season; a shortened version that would put you somewhere in the neighborhood of a 100 episodes. At the end of season four, we will have produced 93 hours of the show, and I imagine that would be very close to where it would end, I would think.
Lindelof: This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives, who get on an airplane, and crash on an island, and become physically lost on the planet Earth. And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that's what it will look like. That's what it's always been about.
Q: Should we then assume that Michael and Walt found themselves, and that's why they were allowed to leave?
Lindelof: The interesting thing about Michael is that he was one of the only characters on Flight 815 who had not committed some horrible atrocity. In fact, he did something good, which was his wife basically took his son away from him, and then the son's adoptive father stuck Michael holding the bag. Michael uprooted his entire life, flew to Australia, to collect Walt, but then ended up crashing on the island. Now he's done something terrible. So his redemption story actually began with the shooting of Ana Lucia and Libby, and will resolve by the end of the series.
Q: We'll we see the characters reassemble and the end of the prison story soon?
Lindelof: I think it's safe to say we will see the last of Alcatraz Island around the ninth episode of season three and then we'll be shaking things up big.
Q: Will we be seeing more of the plot thread from the Season 2 finale, with the people in the arctic who seem to know about the island?
Lindelof: Not in these first batch of episodes [after we return], but by the end of the season we will be paying off that reveal in a very significant way. I think the idea that Penny is looking for Desmond seemingly, is something that comes into play very significantly in the eighth episode of the show -- our second episode back -- but is a story strand that doesn't pay off on the island until the episodes approaching the finale.
The full interview is here (http://tv.ign.com/articles/755/755527p1.html).
hotwaffleman
01/18/2007, 14:39
cool interview. as much as I love the series, I am glad to hear it will only last about 5 seasons. that is enough to tell the story and let it go out on top. I hate when shows linger too long and the writing slips to far.
GreenLantrn128
02/04/2007, 12:37
Only 3 more days!!!
GreenLantrn128
02/04/2007, 12:38
Oh, I think there should be 108 episodes ;)
absolutvt69
02/07/2007, 15:33
Well it's back tonight (at a new time, 10PM EST) The backstory is supposed to be Juliet. Also, I was reading a "Death Watch" article that was giving odds on which cast member would be the next to die and it mentioned this:
Matthew Fox, who plays Jack, has mouthed off in the press, which could anger producers enough to write him out.
And went on to say:
Yeah, Fox has been an ingrate in recent interviews, and producers have already suggested Jack will be missing from "several" episodes of the remainder of Season 3.
What has Matthew Fox said? I must have missed that...
Mr. Cranberry
02/07/2007, 16:12
Well it's back tonight (at a new time, 10PM EST) The backstory is supposed to be Juliet. Also, I was reading a "Death Watch" article that was giving odds on which cast member would be the next to die and it mentioned this:
Matthew Fox, who plays Jack, has mouthed off in the press, which could anger producers enough to write him out.
And went on to say:
Yeah, Fox has been an ingrate in recent interviews, and producers have already suggested Jack will be missing from "several" episodes of the remainder of Season 3.
What has Matthew Fox said? I must have missed that...
NocholeChica will not be happy about this...:( :cry:
Wyldstaar
02/07/2007, 17:12
I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really keep up with Hollywood gossip. Adding Bai Ling to the cast, even if only briefly, should be interesting. Of course, I'm all for adding another hot Asian chick to the show. You can never have too many of them! I'm still waiting to see the scenes of her that were cut from Revenge of the Sith.
3 1/2 more hours...it has been FAR too long. FAR, FAR, FAR too long...
Jack will not die, he is "the doctor" unless Juliet takes over the doctoring duties.
absolutvt69
02/07/2007, 19:24
3 1/2 more hours...it has been FAR too long. FAR, FAR, FAR too long...
Jack will not die, he is "the doctor" unless Juliet takes over the doctoring duties.
I don't think he'll die either but I'm curious as to what he said that could have pissed the producers off. I think Jack, Kate, Desmond and Locke are pretty untouchable right now. Sawyer, Hurley and Sayid should be safe too. Sun, Jin, Charlie, and Claire are all expendable. As are the 2 new people that I don't care about. Also Walt and Michael WILL be back but most likely not until Season 4.
So, BatManuel gave up the superhero business to recruit for Dharma...:laugh:
Not a bad episode, and at least stuff actually happened :grin:
How I'm the first person to comment on the episode, though...
As the episode was starting I was saying to my wife that one of the problems this season was that they hadn't really introduced anyone sympathetic, and while Juliet's backstory was probably supposed to do that, it didn't really make me feel any differently for her than I did before.
Captain Beyond
02/08/2007, 04:35
I don't think he'll die either but I'm curious as to what he said that could have pissed the producers off. I think Jack, Kate, Desmond and Locke are pretty untouchable right now. Sawyer, Hurley and Sayid should be safe too. Sun, Jin, Charlie, and Claire are all expendable. As are the 2 new people that I don't care about. Also Walt and Michael WILL be back but most likely not until Season 4.
Wow, you don't care about the two new people who haven't had any chance of character development yet? I wonder why that is?
I don't think anybody's expendable, but everybody's at risk. Don't assume your favorite characters are safe and the others aren't.
I really really REALLY liked this episode. STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENS!!!!!!!
1. Sawyer smacks angry-because-he-chooses-to-be into the electrocution button, WITH HIS HEAD! Score!! :laugh:
2. Sawyer and Kate are gone, they've left, hooray!
3. Hot French Girl helped them, and saved her boyfriend, so we'll have a new character to not care about. Hooray!
4. We get an idea of the kind of brainwashing that takes place on this island.
5. We also get a first hand look, for the very FIRST time on Lost, of one of the main guys behind this whole thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy who was talking to Juliet is the one who came up with the disease, is he not?
6. Either Juliet has Walt-like powers, or they engineered her ex getting hit by a bus, which is quite a feat. For one, you'd have to have a pre-cog define where and when exactly he would step out into traffic.
absolutvt69
02/08/2007, 09:12
Wow, you don't care about the two new people who haven't had any chance of character development yet? I wonder why that is?
I don't think anybody's expendable, but everybody's at risk. Don't assume your favorite characters are safe and the others aren't.
Those aren't necessarily my favorite characters, just the ones they seem to have been focusing on lately (and the ones that are the "stars"). My favorite character is already dead so it's definitely not a case of playing favorites. And yeah anyone could bite it... I'm just taking a stab at the "odds".
Last night's episode... good, not great. The room Alex's boyfriend was being kept in was all kinds of crazy. Definitely looked like some sort of reprogramming/brainwashing stuff. The beginning threw me. We knew it was a flashback b/c of Ethan but I just assumed they were on the island which they weren't. Is there any way Juliet wishing for her ex-husband to be hit by a bus and then it actually happening is just a coincidence? I seriously doubt it on this show. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened with her sister. It seems Alex is Ben's daughter or at least everyone believes she is. Could be another 'brainwashing' thing. And the actor playing Ben does a phenomenal job. Even lying vulnerable on an operating table w/ his spine exposed he was creepy and in control. I wonder if that's really what he said to Juliet. It was cool to see Kate kick some ### and tell Sawyer she wasn't joking about shooting the guard in the knee. Maybe she's related to Jack Bauer somehow.
Obviously there was a lot more in there but those are the things that stuck out to me.
I am still reeling over last night's episode...
No, Juliet is not a pre-cog...this ain't heroes. I think "they" engineered it so she would work for them. Ben is in complete control and is the leader of the experiments on the island. Most of the people there are "prisoners" as well. The children were/are used as guinea pigs - that is why they steal them. The EMP pulse is preventing the Others from leaving as well now. And where, where, where is Desmond's ex?? We had a HUGE plot reveal that she was looking for Desmond at the end of last season and NOW she is gone....
Claire is toast....
Stepper79
02/08/2007, 09:56
BEST LINE EVER "You fell for the ol' wookie prisoner gag" or something to that effect
I am still reeling over last night's episode...
No, Juliet is not a pre-cog...this ain't heroes.
True, it's not, but we have Walt. It is very possible that either she used Walt-like powers to cause the bus to hit him, just as Walt caused his mother to die with his.
It's also possible, what with their obvious mathematical prowess and ability to know what people do with their lives, that they have perfected the use of psychohistory. Which would be pretty damn interesting. I don't necessarily like the idea, mostly because of how they would be putting it into practice, but the potential is definitely there.
I think "they" engineered it so she would work for them.
Well, so do I, but there's some large question as to how they would have pulled such a feat off. Sniping him in broad daylight? That's easy to do. Negotiating traffic long enough and aptly enough that you don't pass by him, and are in just the right position to run him over once he steps out into traffic? That's damn near impossible without knowing when and where it's going to happen. There's either a pre-cog at work like Walt, or they're using psychohistoric formulas at a personal level.
Ben is in complete control and is the leader of the experiments on the island.
I'm going to disagree with you there. If you think for a second that Col. Nick Fury isn't in charge, or one of the lead scientists, you're wrong. Ben isn't the head of anything. He's pretty much just in charge.
Most of the people there are "prisoners" as well. The children were/are used as guinea pigs - that is why they steal them.
I'm not sure they're being used as guinea pigs, as much as they are being taken away and perhaps shipped back off to the world. The Others are definitely prisoners, however. I'm not so sure it's up to Ben, however, that they get to go.
The EMP pulse is preventing the Others from leaving as well now. And where, where, where is Desmond's ex?? We had a HUGE plot reveal that she was looking for Desmond at the end of last season and NOW she is gone....
Claire is toast....
I think they said that Desmond's ex would be coming in to play somewhere in the 3rd or 4th episode after the winter break. So it should come in fairly soon.
BEST LINE EVER "You fell for the ol' wookie prisoner gag" or something to that effect
The best part was I turned to my wife and said, "ah the old detention block trick." Then he said that and I did some variation of Stephen Colbert's "I called it! Wooooo!"
doctor_x
02/08/2007, 11:01
Has anyone else noticed that the black lady "other" that was in charge of Walt and who Michael met and who let Hurley go has been missing the whole 3rd season so far?
I say she is off the island as the Others(well some of them at least like Ethan last nite) obviuosly are able to go recruit in America. The Others have outside/off island connections STILL.
Last nites episode revealed some of thier recruiting technics.
cReEpY!
hail_eris
02/08/2007, 11:17
So, BatManuel gave up the superhero business to recruit for Dharma...:laugh:
That's who he was! I knew I recognized him, but I didn't know from where. And I appreciate the whole Clockwork Orange set-up they had going on, but I've been to shows that weren't too far from that (the IV drugs weren't being administered via drip, but I'm pretty sure they were present). So three cheers for the Others and their desire to bring '90s rave culture to the Lostaways.
Yeah...where is she?
I think Nick Fury is NOT part of the Others but part of the resistance. There are two factions at work...the Others and those that resist the Others.
Ok, I am lost...who was the recruiter????
Superfro
02/08/2007, 11:23
It was also funny to see Calamity Jane without every other word being an f-bomb. :p
With Trixie and now Jane, anyone else expecting Al to come out the building?
JackAssterson
02/08/2007, 11:48
I wonder if the Other's psychadelic Fun-Time Room of Images and Delight was "The Room" that they threatened to send MY BOY back to...
Hrm. Probably not since it's on another island and it seemed like they were keeping him in that compound thingamajig.
Along with all the literature they've got on that island someone's been watching Clockwork Orange.
Wyldstaar
02/08/2007, 13:07
Ok, I am lost...who was the recruiter????
The recruiter was Nestor Carbonell, the actor who played Batmanuel on the doomed live-action version of The Tick.
Claire is toast....
Why is this exactly? She wasn't even in last night's episode....
I really liked it. Some interesting developments, and appareantly Ben is going to survive the surgery.
I wonder if the Other's psychadelic Fun-Time Room of Images and Delight was "The Room" that they threatened to send MY BOY back to...
Hrm. Probably not since it's on another island and it seemed like they were keeping him in that compound thingamajig.
Along with all the literature they've got on that island someone's been watching Clockwork Orange.
No, you're probably right. When Michael showed up in their "village", it wasn't until a day or so that Walt finally showed up, so that definitely seems to suggest that they had to boat him back and forth. Also, Walt knew that they were "Pretending", and told his father as much. I think he was well aware of the two islands, and was trying to warn his dad. Now that they're on the boat, they've probably caught up by now, and Michael could very well be formulating a plan to kick everyone's ###. After the way he Lex Luthored his way to stabalizing the cave, engineering a raft, and then killing a few people to incite an attack party to follow him to the village to be captured, my impression of his planning ability has definitely gotten much better since we started out with him.
Why is this exactly? She wasn't even in last night's episode....
I really liked it. Some interesting developments, and appareantly Ben is going to survive the surgery.
Cause I think next week Desmond who is now a pre-cog predicts her death. And what has Claire done for the show lately?
Cause I think next week Desmond who is now a pre-cog predicts her death. And what has Claire done for the show lately?
Oh. I only briefly saw next week's preview.... yeah, she hasn't had much face time, but I still hope she survives.
Wyldstaar
02/08/2007, 21:40
Claire can't die. That baby HAS to be raised by his mother.
Why does the baby have to be raised by Claire?
Stepper79
02/09/2007, 09:21
Why does the baby have to be raised by Claire?
It was something implied by the Psychic she saw that the baby needed to be raised by her and that is why he made sure to put her on that plane (or at least in my opinion.
Why does the baby have to be raised by Claire?
Great Evil, if it is raised by another.
And that's all she really knows.
hail_eris
02/09/2007, 11:02
Great Evil, if it is raised by another.
Ah, but from whose point of view? Benry and the gang are the good guys, remember?
Ah, but from whose point of view? Benry and the gang are the good guys, remember?
That doesn't matter, if they're good or bad. The psychic was very specific about whether or not any other parent was suitable. I believe it is half the reason she keeps rejecting Charlie's advances into her and her baby's life from time to time. Y'know, aside from the other half, which is, he's an immature attention-#####. And she won't be Kosher with Benry and the gang. She remembers them shoving needles into her and keeping her drugged all the time.
I just made a connection - Juliet's fertility drugs and Claire's baby. There is a side effect and that is the "virus". AND Sun's baby....there is a connection!! That is why they want Claire's baby. Maybe the same thing with Walt....maybe Walt was the result of a side effect as well.
Maybe?
Superfro
02/09/2007, 14:24
The psychic was very specific about whether or not any other parent was suitable.
I find it highly unlikely that even Claire herself remembers that plot point anymore. :cheeky: :p
I just made a connection - Juliet's fertility drugs and Claire's baby. There is a side effect and that is the "virus". AND Sun's baby....there is a connection!! That is why they want Claire's baby. Maybe the same thing with Walt....maybe Walt was the result of a side effect as well.
Maybe?
The bottles were similar, as was the point of injection... you may be on to something!
And as such, as a member of the Others, I must mislead you!
*throws a bucket of ice cream out of the room*
Go get it!!
hail_eris
02/09/2007, 17:37
The bottles were similar, as was the point of injection... you may be on to something!
But I don't remember Sun being injected with anything. Are we to believe that there's an airborne "pregnancy virus"?
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