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EmperorNorton
02/09/2007, 18:03
But I don't remember Sun being injected with anything. Are we to believe that there's an airborne "pregnancy virus"?
If that is what it takes to get more screen time for Emilie de Ravin, I'm all for it.
But I don't remember Sun being injected with anything. Are we to believe that there's an airborne "pregnancy virus"?
I see where you guys are going, but why would Sun need help to get pregnant? Jin was the one who couldn't have children, not her. As for Claire, I think it's been pretty much confirmed that there's some sort of sickness that exists on the island that may or may bot have to do with the fertility research. The injections Ethan gave her were to keep the baby from getting sick, nto for fertility - I mean, she was already pregnant....
Man, I'm really confused.... is Desmond actually seeing "flashes" of the future? Or, has it all already played out and he just doesn't remember it all (ie, when he has his flashes, they're things that he's already experienced, and is now experiencing again and trying to change?)
absolutvt69
02/14/2007, 23:26
That was an AWESOME episode. Trippy and surreal but awesome all the same. Who was the white haired jeweler? How did she know those things? Has she been on the island before? Did she suffer a similar experience? She was like the Oracle on the Matrix. The twist about it being Charlie that he was saving was excellent. I really didn't see that coming. I think what happened to Desmond is literally what he said. His life flashed before his eyes... the past... the present and the future. And now the flashes have continued. Doesn't look good for ole Charlie though...
Re: Fertility
There has to be a connection - nothing is coincidence.
Tonight's episode was good although confusing. I had a hard time figuring out whether or not we were in the past or a different timeline or what...which was good. Poor Charlie though.
Jin and Sun need more face time....they are two of my favorite characters and we haven't seen Jin in a LONG time.
mike_houghton
02/15/2007, 08:25
Who were the people outside Jacks cage in the preview for next week.
Who were the people outside Jacks cage in the preview for next week.
Looks like everyone from the rear of the plane that was taken. One of the people was the stewardess that had mysteriously disappeared just before Anna shot Shannon.
And I loved this episode, they continue to turn Desmond into pretty much the best character on the show.
I'm kinda sad to see that Charlie's going to die, because I love the actor, but the character has annoyed me for far too long. It's time for him to go.
I called it before Desmond had his 'flashback' that he'd somehow gotten 'unstuck in time.' And that he wasn't supernaturally seeing the future, but rather remembering it.
The whole episode was extremely 'Slaughterhouse 5.'
absolutvt69
02/15/2007, 11:16
And was it me or was the part where the red shoed guy died sort of a Wizard of Oz homage? It wouldn't be the first (Henry Gale). What 3 mysteries do we think will be solved next week?
Jack's tattoos
Why the Others take children
????
And I agree... it's time for Charlie to go. Nothing against the actor that plays him but the character has just become annoying (and probably purposely so). Notice he was more concerned with being the one to save Claire's life than he was with Claire actually surviving.
And I loved this episode, they continue to turn Desmond into pretty much the best character on the show.
I'm kinda sad to see that Charlie's going to die, because I love the actor, but the character has annoyed me for far too long. It's time for him to go.
Agreed and agreed... brother.
And was it me or was the part where the red shoed guy died sort of a Wizard of Oz homage? It wouldn't be the first (Henry Gale). What 3 mysteries do we think will be solved next week?
Jack's tattoos
Why the Others take children
????
And I agree... it's time for Charlie to go. Nothing against the actor that plays him but the character has just become annoying (and probably purposely so). Notice he was more concerned with being the one to save Claire's life than he was with Claire actually surviving.
Yeah, and he was pretty pissed that Dezzy kept pushing him away from Claire as he was carrying her to shore. It makes more and more sense after Dezzy explains it, he was incredibly afraid of Charlie ending up getting killed the closer he got to the water.
I didn't even think about the fact that he put that golf club up there as a lightning rod to keep Charlie from getting electrocuted to death. That's a very interesting twist.
So Desmond is now the One-Who-Knows. Or maybe I'm the only one that sees the similarities, or maybe I'm the only one that read Guardians of the Galaxy.
And was it me or was the part where the red shoed guy died sort of a Wizard of Oz homage? It wouldn't be the first (Henry Gale)
I said the exact same thing last night when I saw that! I'm still a little confused about what's going on with Desmond... the way I understand it, he has either seen the future or been to the future and now sees memories of that future in flashes? Does he actually know everything that's going to happen, or does he not remember the future he has seen and only sees it in glimpses? If someone could explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.
Agreed and agreed... bruthuh.Fixed it.
:p
Fixed it.
:p
It's funny 'cause it's true! :laugh:
I said the exact same thing last night when I saw that! I'm still a little confused about what's going on with Desmond... the way I understand it, he has either seen the future or been to the future and now sees memories of that future in flashes? Does he actually know everything that's going to happen, or does he not remember the future he has seen and only sees it in glimpses? If someone could explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.
His "life" flashed before his eyes and now he can see glimpses of the future and what will happen. And they come sparingly.
And now Des and Death are doing a dance....
Calling it right now..Desmond sacrifices himself to save Charlie. Death needs a body and I think Des is gonna offer his own to finally "be someone".
His "life" flashed before his eyes and now he can see glimpses of the future and what will happen. And they come sparingly.
And now Des and Death are doing a dance....
Calling it right now..Desmond sacrifices himself to save Charlie. Death needs a body and I think Des is gonna offer his own to finally "be someone".
Rep for you, thanks for explaining it to me. And I'll second you, Desmond sacrificing himself for Charlie would make sense.... except what about his whole storyline with Penny? Hmmm....
At first I thought the lightning rod thing was a part of his new powers - he had taken in the electromagnetic power taht used to be in the hatch.... but I realized pretty quickly that probably wasn't right and figured out that he was trying to keep the lightining from hitting Claire's roof. I thought he was protecting Claire, though.
Man, I think I had almost resolved myself with not getting obsessed with this show... but I am definitely getting sucked in again....
VelvetGuru9
02/15/2007, 12:12
This came off of the E-online website. If you watched last night's episode, read it all - Uncle Velvet
Lost Redux: Are You Freaking Out, or What?!
By Kristin Veitch
Feb 14, 2007 10:02 PM
Yes, that's right—holy freaking, amazingly, explosively, incredible episode! Now that you've seen tonight's Lost installment for yourself, you understand just what all my earlier blubbering was about. What did we learn? What didn't we learn?!
And don't forget, we're about to learn even more, because I am bringing you exclusive scoop from deep inside Lost headquarters—from the big bosses, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse--this Monday in my new Vine show. So, mark your calendars!
That said, before we go any further, I want to put a BIG, FAT WARNING right here, lest there be any confusion...
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET SEEN TONIGHT'S LOST, DO NOT READ THIS ARTICLE! This redux is a discussion to be held among fans who have already watched the latest episode (the one with Desmond's flashback)—and are trying to pick our brains off the floor.
Now, let's digest what we've learned...
Only Fools Are Enslaved by Time and Space: If this episode is the Lost fulcrum that I think it is—the episode on which everything balances and tips—let it be said that is nothing less than a brilliant stroke on the part of the writers and producers. More than any other single element of the show (sans the island location itself), the flashbacks have always been the key to Lost. After this episode, it would seem that the flashbacks are not merely narrative devices or key memories of the characters but actualities, because, well, only fools are enslaved by time and space. Touché, Damon and Carlton. Touché!
I personally think it's an amazing twist. And here's an interesting tidbit: At Comic-Con last year, one of our trusty WWK interns asked Lindelof about Lost time, and he responded by autographing her trading card with "Time is on your side," promising this little adage would be fully explained in season three. So, I ask you, what if all along, when Kate walked into a flashback, she was literally jumped into the past, and then later jumped back, when the action picked up on the island? What if our Losties were in control every time they flashed back?! Every match cut, every crossover, every Easter egg that appears in both the past and present—what if they are linked into one really real reality that surrounds each of our survivors? And does this mean that when the Losties all figure it out, they can go back and right the wrongs from their past?
Blap. (That's the sound of my brain further exploding and another piece falling on the floor.)
And Desmond—who seemingly has been granted access to the past, present and future—might be the only one who can connect the dots...Great Scot, indeed.
See You in Another Life, Brotha: Holy frak! Is Charlie done for? Is there any reality in which Dominic Monaghan could be killed off this show? Can the Losties change what appears to be his preordained smushing at the hands of fate?
In the "He'll live!" column, I think we can put Charlie's love affair with Claire, Monaghan's Hawaii-based love affair with Evie, the fans' love affair with Dom, the writers' love affair with The Lord of the Rings and Charlie's fabulously dark sense of humor. In the "He's dead!" column goes his off-putting possessiveness of Claire, the absence of a "role" for him in the Island community (has-been back in the world, never-was on the beach) and his tendency to act without thinking.
The good news for Charlie fans is that there's no new Chuckback in the immediate future, so if the show stays true to form, he's safe for the time being. On the other hand, Carlton once said the only rule about flashbacks is that there are no rules, so he could arguably be knocked off in, say, the Claireback scheduled for Mar. 14.
Don't Mistake Coincidence for Fate: Anybody else think the antique-store lady exists on the island, as well as in Desmond's head? Initial speculation had Fionnula Flanagan playing Desmond's mom—but what if she's Benry's mom?! (Just speculating here. Don't sue if she's never heard from again!)
Um, Are The Characters Show-Hopping?!: OMG! Did anyone notice that Desmond's professor friend is also Mohinder Suresh's friend on Heroes?! Could this be a crossover?! We all know Hiro can time travel. Plus, in the last ep of Heroes, they showed a pamplet for Gannon Rent-a-Car, which is totally a fictional company from the Lost world! Also, some of the Heroes writers came from the Lost camp. I smell a conspiracy. A really nerdy yet cool conspiracy! Will Peter's bomb blast the Heroes to Lost island? Just a crazy thought!
Don't Tell Me What I Can't Do: Charles Widmore is at least the third bad dad whose hot daughter has been courted by one of our beloved Lostaways. Charlie had the Xerox salesman, Jin had Mr. Paik and now Desmond has Penny's papa. Why so much with the ####-block? Is it just coincidence?
Run Like the Devil's Chasing You: Charlie's going to need to run exactly that fast when Sawyer finds out he took his porn and gave Desmond the rightfully stolen 60-year Scotch. I'm just sayin'. Actually, we've been told that Charlie's season-two attack on Sun will be exposed. Could that be Sawyer's doing? Hmmm…
(P.S. Love the porn continuity! Remember waaaay back in the beginning of season one? Jack: "What's in the bag?" Sawyer: "Booze, smokes, couple of Playboys. What's in yours?" Jack: "Medicine." Sawyer: "Well, that about sums it up, don't it?" Ha!)
Now, some questions for you screencappers, Photoshop mavens and Lostpedians: Anything telling on Widmore's model boat? What book was Hurley paging through outside Sawyer's tent? And what, oh, what, is the significance of McCutcheon brand Scotch?
Wyldstaar
02/15/2007, 12:39
And was it me or was the part where the red shoed guy died sort of a Wizard of Oz homage? It wouldn't be the first (Henry Gale).
I don't think so, but you never know. I don't remember what color the shoes were of the Wicked Witch of the East, but I'm sure they weren't red. I just remember them curling up and sliding under the house.
I don't think so, but you never know. I don't remember what color the shoes were of the Wicked Witch of the East, but I'm sure they weren't red. I just remember them curling up and sliding under the house.
This almost deserves negative rep! :p
It's been awile since I saw The Wizard of Oz, but didn't Dorothy get the ruby slippers from the WW of the East? I think she did, and it was her socks that curled up.
I don't think so, but you never know. I don't remember what color the shoes were of the Wicked Witch of the East, but I'm sure they weren't red. I just remember them curling up and sliding under the house.
Are you kidding me???? The famous ruby (red) slippers?
I called it before Desmond had his 'flashback' that he'd somehow gotten 'unstuck in time.' And that he wasn't supernaturally seeing the future, but rather remembering it.
The whole episode was extremely 'Slaughterhouse 5.'
That's exactly my thought. I think I said to my wife "this is very Vonnegut." So it goes.
Wyldstaar
02/15/2007, 16:10
Are you kidding me???? The famous ruby (red) slippers?
Okay, now it's suddenly clicked. Like I said, it's been a long time. She was wearing the shoes first, and then they disappeared? The main image in my mind I guess is her socks curling up then. Gimme a break. It must have been twenty years since I've watched that movie.
Okay, now it's suddenly clicked. Like I said, it's been a long time. She was wearing the shoes first, and then they disappeared? The main image in my mind I guess is her socks curling up then. Gimme a break. It must have been twenty years since I've watched that movie.
Yeah, they disappeared and then they appeared on Dorothy all of a sudden. She's never actually seen putting them on, they just magically transfer to Dorothy, giving her power to teleport in and out of Kansas.
And really, don't we all just wish we had that power?
hail_eris
02/15/2007, 16:53
Yeah, they disappeared and then they appeared on Dorothy all of a sudden. She's never actually seen putting them on, they just magically transfer to Dorothy, giving her power to teleport in and out of Kansas.
And really, don't we all just wish we had that power?
Well, I could see using that power once, but why on earth would you ever want to go back?
Well, I could see using that power once, but why on earth would you ever want to go back?
Worlds of Fun
Picking up a cheap Honda del Sol
Throwing eggs at JacinB's house (at least I THINK he's in Kansas).
That's about all I can come up with....:ermm:
absolutvt69
02/15/2007, 16:57
Okay, now it's suddenly clicked. Like I said, it's been a long time. She was wearing the shoes first, and then they disappeared? The main image in my mind I guess is her socks curling up then. Gimme a break. It must have been twenty years since I've watched that movie.
To be fair, I'm more familiar w/ the parody Futurama did... Zoidberg's great in that one:
"And I'm the other guy. Courage. Not enough of it. Need some from what's his face."
Wyldstaar
02/15/2007, 17:03
I'm with hail on this one. If I had a chance to check out another universe, I'd jump at the chance. However, if when I got there it turned out that everything was incredibly annoying, garishly colored and people broke out into song for no readily apparent reason, I'd come back home in a hurry. Oz is kinda lame, really. Can't blame Dorothy a bit for wanting to go home and get away from all those lunatics. It wasn't as trippy as being down the rabbit hole with Alice, but was still a bad trip.
To be fair, I'm more familiar w/ the parody Futurama did... Zoidberg's great in that one:
"And I'm the other guy. Courage. Not enough of it. Need some from what's his face."
"Who would've thought a small amount of liquid would ever fall on meeeeeee....?????"
Yeah, they disappeared and then they appeared on Dorothy all of a sudden. She's never actually seen putting them on, they just magically transfer to Dorothy, giving her power to teleport in and out of Kansas.
And really, don't we all just wish we had that power?
So you could visit here more often? Having lived in Nebraska, I can see why you'd find us superior.
hail_eris
02/15/2007, 17:17
Truth be told, I did find Lawrence to be quite charming and not at all like I remembered it as depicted in "The Day After."
So you could visit here more often? Having lived in Nebraska, I can see why you'd find us superior.
Yeah, I had to take my winter coat off this afternoon, because it was too warm. Tonight, I'm going to be wearing it, and I'm going to be extremely cold besides.
Nebraska sucks big time.
Superfro
02/15/2007, 17:21
Truth be told, I did find Lawrence to be quite charming and not at all like I remembered it as depicted in "The Day After."
I drove there to see Elliott Smith back in 1996. :sleep:
Nice place though.
Wolds of Fun on the other hand, not so much.
Worlds of Fun is ... sorta alright. My wife and I went there on our second date and it wound up getting me 'dismissed' from a job. So, that's sorta fun.
The only reason I went there was because my friend was about to get shipped off to Iraq, and he really enjoyed going there, so I tagged along.
I had a good time at KC....at this mall with some damn good custard. I think that was on the MO side. ON the KS side we had some really, really good BBQ. Like the best BBQ ever. Little restaurant. It was so good.
5 minutes until Lost....EST I mean.
Ok... did I miss something? I thought "three of the biggest mysteries of the island" were supposed to be revealed?
Were Jack's tatoos a big mystery?
SERIOUSLY!!!
We learned nothing about the kidnapped peeps...we know they are alive, thats about it.
That was some messed up origin behind his tattoos...what was it supposed to mean?
Jack is in love with Juliet and saved her life.
They live somewhere else....if there is a third island, I might scream.
Yeah....I got one mystery kinda solved....nothing else.
This show is on a downhill slide IMO. It was much better when they were just "lost". Still, I'm hoping it will improve.
Were Jack's tatoos a big mystery?
SERIOUSLY!!!
We learned nothing about the kidnapped peeps...we know they are alive, thats about it.
That was some messed up origin behind his tattoos...what was it supposed to mean?
Jack is in love with Juliet and saved her life.
They live somewhere else....if there is a third island, I might scream.
Yeah....I got one mystery kinda solved....nothing else.
Well, I'm usually pretty slow on the uptake, but I'm glad to know it wasn't just me. I didn't even get the point of Jack's backstory in this episode...
absolutvt69
02/21/2007, 23:22
This show is on a downhill slide IMO. It was much better when they were just "lost". Still, I'm hoping it will improve.
To be fair this was the first clunky episode since it came back. The backstory was boring and the action on the island was pretty mundane as well.
theanalogkid
02/22/2007, 08:32
Maybe they are trying to set up Jack to join the Others as he is an "outsider" to the castaways. That would be the only reason to call him an outsider. The third Fatima secret was that Bai Ling still has a career. Who knew?
To be fair this was the first clunky episode since it came back. The backstory was boring and the action on the island was pretty mundane as well.
True - what bothered me more than anything was that they hyped it up (specifically said "three secrets of teh island will be revealed") and didn't deliver. I'd even go so far as to say they flat out lied. But, like you said, it was the first so-so episode since they came back, so maybe they got that out of their system....
so right now we have a 33% failure rate. Eh...not happy. I am liking the twist with Juliet. And we have "the Sheriff" now....
I'm probably the only one who really really liked this episode..... :(
Stepper79
02/22/2007, 09:56
did any one else notice that Juliet's brand was in a photo on the wall in the Bai Lings parlor?? (at least I thought I saw it)
Wyldstaar
02/22/2007, 10:13
Wasn't "The Sherriff" the same actress who appeared in Desmond's vision as the myserious jewelry sales clerk?
absolutvt69
02/22/2007, 10:21
True - what bothered me more than anything was that they hyped it up (specifically said "three secrets of teh island will be revealed") and didn't deliver. I'd even go so far as to say they flat out lied. But, like you said, it was the first so-so episode since they came back, so maybe they got that out of their system....
Yeah I thought the same thing after it was over... "Wait a minute... what were the 3 mysteries that were solved". I'm still really not sure. I mean they take children to "give them a better life"... ok but what the hell does that mean.
Wasn't "The Sherriff" the same actress who appeared in Desmond's vision as the myserious jewelry sales clerk?
Um... I dunno. I'd have to go back and check, but it's definitely possible, that hadn't occurred to me. Maybe this will pay off somewhere down the line... all I know is, next week's preview was full of hype, but I didn't buy it after they oversold this one.
absolutvt69
02/22/2007, 10:40
Also was I the only person who:
When Sawyer and Kate were arguing about whether to go ashore and make camp or keep going around the island to find the others and Sawyer said "We have no food, no water"... threw in "Our pets head's are falling off!!!!"?
And
When at the end they showed the shots of Alex and Karl looking up at the stars, thought immediately of an American Tail and wanted to bust out a chorus of "Somewhere Out There"???
Wasn't "The Sherriff" the same actress who appeared in Desmond's vision as the myserious jewelry sales clerk?
unfortunately, no. The jewelry lady was much older, and less of a #####.
I loved it when Jack was giving her garbage: "I'm ready to go back to my cage, now."
And I loved it even more when she was trying to be intelligent and told him what the tattoos said. She was just trying to piss him off. Then when he told her, "That's what they say. That's not what they mean." I was all like, "SIT DOWN, #####!!!"
Seriously, I can't understand why the influx of unlikeable characters has been unending this season.
Superfro
02/22/2007, 11:02
Here's my issue, and it's been ongoing from the start of this season with Jack. The guy asks everybody questions and no one ever answers him and he's always "ok" with it. He asks a question and everybody looks off in the distance and says something like "That's complicated...." And then Jack is all "well I guess I won't worry about it then". :tired:
Seriously. I just hate it. I think because it's an obvious ploy of the writers to put in questions they want us to have but they don't want us to have the answers. You don't need to say the question out loud. I'm following along with your plodding story. :rolleyes:
My favorite part last night was the preview for next week when the announcer said "the rescue that's been long overdue". Tip......when you take far too long to resolve something and move the story forward, that might be the one thing you don't actually want to spell out for folks. :ermm:
Here's my issue, and it's been ongoing from the start of this season with Jack. The guy asks everybody questions and no one ever answers him and he's always "ok" with it. He asks a question and everybody looks off in the distance and says something like "That's complicated...." And then Jack is all "well I guess I won't worry about it then". :tired:
Seriously. I just hate it. I think because it's an obvious ploy of the writers to put in questions they want us to have but they don't want us to have the answers. You don't need to say the question out loud. I'm following along with your plodding story. :rolleyes:
My favorite part last night was the preview for next week when the announcer said "the rescue that's been long overdue". Tip......when you take far too long to resolve something and move the story forward, that might be the one thing you don't actually want to spell out for folks. :ermm:
What's pathetic is we damn well know that:
1. The pacing of this show is far too slow for a rescue to completely occur in one episode. I mean, the escape from the other island hasn't even finished yet!!!!!!!!
2. They let the boy go off on his own, after he told them that they don't even live on that other island. Well gee, we wouldn't want him to show us where they live, would we? No, we like our ignorance. It's only getting us killed one by one. Let's go ahead and roast marshmallows.
3. They're likely going to travel to the wrong damn island.
4. They very likely are seriously outnumbered.
I am glad I wasn't the only one who was peeved they let Carl go....how dumb of a move was that. If Sayed and Jin had been there, Carl would have told them his life story, where the other island is, and any other secret that Carl might be keeping.
Also...what did Carl do to be locked up and reprogrammed?
I am glad I wasn't the only one who was peeved they let Carl go....how dumb of a move was that. If Sayed and Jin had been there, Carl would have told them his life story, where the other island is, and any other secret that Carl might be keeping.
Also...what did Carl do to be locked up and reprogrammed?
I'm going to guess that he wanted to do the French chick. And that Ben wasn't kosher with that. For that matter, neither am I. She's hot, and you can keep your grubby hands off her, Carl!!! :angry:
hail_eris
02/22/2007, 12:15
My suspension of disbelief was shattered when they said that the beach was supposed to be Phuket. Where are the drunk Australians? The Germans in Speedos? The American girls who really, like, think that Buddhism is so, like, way cool? I liked the bit where Jack bore Arthur, err, I mean Ben, off to Avalon. Or, well, I guess that might have been a fishing boat. Either way, the imagery was pretty obvious.
theanalogkid
02/22/2007, 12:36
Two comments: Why are we only meeting "the Sheriff" now? You think she would have been there when Ben was being held hostage.
Why would Ben send his only surgeon to spy on the plane crash? You think he would send someone less critical to the others survival. I think this points to the "Others" having a smaller population than most people think.
hail_eris
02/22/2007, 12:52
Why would Ben send his only surgeon to spy on the plane crash? You think he would send someone less critical to the others survival. I think this points to the "Others" having a smaller population than most people think.
I thought of that, too, but the Losties have sent their only surgeon on just about every away mission they've undertaken...
My problem with the episode (and it's been my problem with most of this season) is that the writers seem to have forgotten that one of the big appeals of Lost is that it's an ensemble cast. It isn't the "Jack & Kate with some Sawyer" show.
Wyldstaar
02/22/2007, 13:23
I thought of that, too, but the Losties have sent their only surgeon on just about every away mission they've undertaken...
Well, I wouldn't say they send Jack out on missions. Once or twice in season one Locke mentioned to Jack that he shouldn't go because he was the only doctor they had. Jack of course didn't take his advice. After a while, people just stopped asking him not to go. I can't think of any time Jack was actually asked to go except by Michael, and that was only because he was under orders by The Others. I think Jack goes on these missions because he knows they are important, and he doesn't trust anyone else to do it right.
hail_eris
02/22/2007, 13:35
It isn't the "Jack & Kate with some Sawyer" show.
Hey, let's not minimize Sawyer's importance to the cast. He glowers at things and gives people funny nicknames. In fact, in the past few episodes, I don't think I've heard him complete a sentence without sticking in a "Freckles" or a "Suzy Slingshot" or some blasted thing. It's like when someone finds out that, say, you like turtles, and then every gift you ever receive from that person is turtle-themed. That's what the writers have done with Sawyer's dialogue. "Oh, so we've established that he sometimes refers to people with incisive and clever nicknames? Great. Let's drop the incisive and clever and just have him riff on people nonstop." I can't wait for him to get back to the beach. "Hey there, Baldilocks, Shortpants, Ping-Pong, Monchichi, Frogger, Shoehorn, Merry..." It'll run from one commercial break to the next.
Superfro
02/22/2007, 13:40
Oh my god Hail....I've literally got tears. :laugh:
That is so dead on. Wow. You are an amazing man. :laugh: :laugh:
Two comments: Why are we only meeting "the Sheriff" now? You think she would have been there when Ben was being held hostage.
She came from somewhere else...when they were grilling Jack and Juliet, she said she comes to the island from time to time and doesn't like doing it. She was called in because the emergency.
sgtppr67
02/23/2007, 12:06
Just thought i'd throw in that ABC does the previews for the next episode that's who is over hyping things, not the writers. I missed the one for next week, but the 3 mysteries bit was way off the mark.
I am glad I wasn't the only one who was peeved they let Carl go....how dumb of a move was that. If Sayed and Jin had been there, Carl would have told them his life story, where the other island is, and any other secret that Carl might be keeping.
As shown tonight when Sayid was basically "WTF?" when Kate told him about it.
A nice episode with lots of people in it! And while it got glossed over pretty quickly, wasn't that sort of a map that they found on Roger?
What a great freaking episode tonight!
And you can't go wrong with Three Dog Night!
Captain Beyond
03/01/2007, 06:15
What a great freaking episode tonight!
And you can't go wrong with Three Dog Night!
You could go wrong with Three Dog Night, When I was in Eighth grade they censored us for yelling "Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog" while they played that song while we waited for our lunch hour to end. We were such non conformists.
That was a fun episode. The highlight being the Cluckers getting hit by a meteor! ("or an asteriod, I don't know the difference.")
Dude, when your chicken shack gets leveled by space trash, you gotta know you're cursed.
I also especially liked the classically 'lost-esque' music and tone durring the psychic reading that was setup to make it feel like a creapy lost moment, only to trick us by being a setup by Hurley's dad.
Did anyone pick up any clues or anything? Or was the episode pretty much face value?
ps, one little bit of editing mix up I caught was that Vincent was holding the arm in his mouth differently in just about every shot.
The highlight for me was when the clutch popped and the 8-track kicked in with 'Shambala!' :cool:
Not so much a clue, but maybe a nod to the bigger picture.
I got this from another website:
I love the Three Dog Night song that was playing during the VW ride, but I couldn't remember the name. So, I researched it on the Internet, and it's called Shambala. I then read the lyrics, and it was a perfect song for Hurley and his struggles.
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/three_dog_night/shambala.html
Then, I realized I had no idea what or where Shambala is. So I did a little more research, and according to http://www.shambhala.com/html/about/defined.cfm (and pay special attention to the capitalized word)...
Internally, Shambhala is the DHARMA chakra, located in the heart of all beings. It is the symbol for mind, completing the trinity of body, speech, and mind.
Holy ####!!! This website mentioned Dharma!!!! Plus, with the lyrics and how this relates to Hurley, is this a coincidence? I don't think so. These writers are GENIUS!!!!!!!
Such a good song! I was so happy to hear it when the engine turned over!
I'm almost angry I didn't anticipate it.
I was almost out on this show, but these last two episodes pulled me right back in.
Good episode, although I still haven't felt "hooked in" since the season came back. Seems like next week they find eyepatch guy, though, which is pretty cool (although I have absolutely no faith that the previews actually represent content in the episode anymore.):(
I'm kinda sick of the Hurley episodes at this point. I want SO BADLY for Hurley to go with the raiding party to the Others camp, and see him spear someone and sit on them for what they did to Libbey. And it would be perfect payback for making him be the one to go back alone in the jungle just to scare everyone.
Hurley has a lot to be angry about. And I'm kinda pissed that the writing isn't giving him any justice for it.
But instead of that, we got a nonsense episode of him jumpstarting a VW bus, and.......well......there's no other value than that. I guess I just count myself among the crowd there that was like, "WTF, are you serious?"
I mean, it's great that he finally was able to get over his dad (which I think was his big problem to begin with, he was going home to forgive his dad, and he ended up on the island, so the car repair was a big deal for him), but we don't really care too much about that anymore. We care about his numbers, and what their meaning is. I could care less about what happened in his past anymore, and I certainly couldn't care about how much he misses Libbey anymore. I miss her too, but I think if I loved her like he did, I'd be wanting blood on my hands sooner than getting my VW bus kick-started.
I dunno, I'm glad we got a fun episode, but it just seems ill-timed. There are a lot of things that could have been happening in this episode to truly further the story, and none of it happened.
I'm kinda sick of the Hurley episodes at this point. I want SO BADLY for Hurley to go with the raiding party to the Others camp, and see him spear someone and sit on them for what they did to Libbey. And it would be perfect payback for making him be the one to go back alone in the jungle just to scare everyone.
Hurley has a lot to be angry about. And I'm kinda pissed that the writing isn't giving him any justice for it.
But instead of that, we got a nonsense episode of him jumpstarting a VW bus, and.......well......there's no other value than that. I guess I just count myself among the crowd there that was like, "WTF, are you serious?"
I mean, it's great that he finally was able to get over his dad (which I think was his big problem to begin with, he was going home to forgive his dad, and he ended up on the island, so the car repair was a big deal for him), but we don't really care too much about that anymore. We care about his numbers, and what their meaning is. I could care less about what happened in his past anymore, and I certainly couldn't care about how much he misses Libbey anymore. I miss her too, but I think if I loved her like he did, I'd be wanting blood on my hands sooner than getting my VW bus kick-started.
I dunno, I'm glad we got a fun episode, but it just seems ill-timed. There are a lot of things that could have been happening in this episode to truly further the story, and none of it happened.
I think I'm with you. The flashbacks just seem like fluff unless they're connecting to something; it's hard to care about his feelings for Libby unless we finally see what her story was, and maybe there will be something important.
Wyldstaar
03/01/2007, 10:23
I thought it was a fun episode, but there was one thing I don't get. How is it that Randy is a supervisor at Locke's box factory AND the manager of the Hurley's Chicken shack right before the two of them left for Australia?
I thought it was a fun episode, but there was one thing I don't get. How is it that Randy is a supervisor at Locke's box factory AND the manager of the Hurley's Chicken shack right before the two of them left for Australia?
I didn't get the impression that was Randy. I know they said it was his old boss, but he didn't look or act like Randy. He was far too friendly. It could have been his supervisor or something.
Wyldstaar
03/01/2007, 10:38
I didn't get the impression that was Randy. I know they said it was his old boss, but he didn't look or act like Randy. He was far too friendly. It could have been his supervisor or something.
No, it was definitely Randy. Hurley even introduced him as Randy to the reporter. It was just more difficult to readily recognize him with that goofy orange polyester uniform and hat on as opposed to the suit and tie he wore at the box factory. As for his friendliness, Randy strikes me as an Eddie Haskel type. Friendly to those he considers to be over him or pretty girls (Hurley and the reporter, and a complete jerk to those beneath him (Locke).
No, it was definitely Randy. Hurley even introduced him as Randy to the reporter. It was just more difficult to readily recognize him with that goofy orange polyester uniform and hat on as opposed to the suit and tie he wore at the box factory.
Then they either screwed up continuity, or they're going to tell another story where Hurley doesn't go to Australia right away....
No, it was definitely Randy. Hurley even introduced him as Randy to the reporter. It was just more difficult to readily recognize him with that goofy orange polyester uniform and hat on as opposed to the suit and tie he wore at the box factory. As for his friendliness, Randy strikes me as an Eddie Haskel type. Friendly to those he considers to be over him or pretty girls (Hurley and the reporter, and a complete jerk to those beneath him (Locke).
Didn't Hurley's accountant in one episode say there was a fire at the box factory owned by him, which we're all meant to think is Locke's? So Randy got a different job after that?
Wyldstaar
03/01/2007, 11:16
Didn't Hurley's accountant in one episode say there was a fire at the box factory owned by him, which we're all meant to think is Locke's? So Randy got a different job after that?
True enough. I guess we don't really know how long Hurley or Locke spent in Australia, now that I think of it. If Hurley spent alot of time down under, it would explain the seemingly odd timeline. It might also mean that Locke left for Australia long before the fire as well.
Superfro
03/01/2007, 11:22
There are a lot of things that could have been happening in this episode to truly further the story, and none of it happened.
Like the "long overdue rescue" that the ads themselves mentioned last week? :rolleyes: Nah...why should we get into any of that! :confused:
BTW.....Sawyer nickname count went to 9 last night. Hail is still a genius. :laugh:
Like the "long overdue rescue" that the ads themselves mentioned last week? :rolleyes: Nah...why should we get into any of that! :confused:
BTW.....Sawyer nickname count went to 9 last night. Hail is still a genius. :laugh:
Yeah, I just about cried when I heard him call Hurley, Jin, and Charlie names last night. :cry:
True enough. I guess we don't really know how long Hurley or Locke spent in Australia, now that I think of it. If Hurley spent alot of time down under, it would explain the seemingly odd timeline. It might also mean that Locke left for Australia long before the fire as well.
My take on it...
Hurley probably spent a good bit of time in Australia. He had to get there and find the guy he was looking for's wife (which probably took some time - I don't think he had an address or anything, just a name from the guy in the institution.) He could concievably have been there for up to a month doing that.
Locke, on the other hand, was probably only in Australia for a couple of days at most - he got booted out of the walkabout and probably came directly home.
So, it's concievable that Randy was "relocated" from the Chicken Shack to the Box company after it got destroyed. Given that the box company clearly had a corporate mentality it even makes sense that Randy would have been hired in over Locke from the get-go. So in the scenes we saw where randy was giving Locke a hard time about the game, Hurley was probably already in Australia, or just leaving.
Also, there's not really a definite sense of how long a period of time elapsed between the destruction of the Chicken Shack and Hurley leaving for Australia - it could have been weeks, even months for all we know, so Randy could easily have been somewhere else by then...
Ok, I feel like I'm nitpicking here. Props for noticing Randy, though, I sure didn't. I mean, he appeared in, what, two flashbacks near the beginning of season 1?
Wyldstaar
03/01/2007, 13:22
Ok, I feel like I'm nitpicking here. Props for noticing Randy, though, I sure didn't. I mean, he appeared in, what, two flashbacks near the beginning of season 1?
Thanks cattmoe, appreciate it. I've finally sussed it out. You're right. It was the Chicken Shack that was destroyed first, and not the box factory. I forgot to factor in the common link- Hurley. Hurley owns both the Chicken Shack and the box factory. That's why Randy was a supervisor at the box company instead of an entry level employee. Hurley blamed himself and the curse of The Numbers for the tragedy that surrounds him. He would have felt bad about Randy losing his job, and gotten him and the other employees better ones at the box factory.
Thanks cattmoe, appreciate it. I've finally sussed it out. You're right. It was the Chicken Shack that was destroyed first, and not the box factory. I forgot to factor in the common link- Hurley. Hurley owns both the Chicken Shack and the box factory. That's why Randy was a supervisor at the box company instead of an entry level employee. Hurley blamed himself and the curse of The Numbers for the tragedy that surrounds him. He would have felt bad about Randy losing his job, and gotten him and the other employees better ones at the box factory.
That's true. And jives with the fact that they said Randy was Hurley's former boss, and therefore already a manager at chicken shack.
Like the "long overdue rescue" that the ads themselves mentioned last week? :rolleyes: Nah...why should we get into any of that! :confused:
BTW.....Sawyer nickname count went to 9 last night. Hail is still a genius. :laugh:
To be fair, Sawyer didn't go down the line of people giving them their names, nor did it take a whole episode. :laugh:
I just want him to call the new couple thrust upon us "Guy we're supposed to care about" and "Gal we're supposed to care about".
bagman04
03/01/2007, 16:22
I really do not care for the new guy. Why is the chick even with him? He is a smug non-team player. Look slike anna lucia's brother stowed away on the plane.
I really do not care for the new guy. Why is the chick even with him? He is a smug non-team player. Look slike anna lucia's brother stowed away on the plane.
And he pulled on her jeans loop to pull her back. Anyone who puts their hand that close to her butt, without giving her a firm grab, has no #####.
There, I said it.
Denny Crane would be ashamed to see such a travesty occur
I watched this episode...laughed a bit...and then got really pissed that NOTHING happened. You jerk us along for how long and then give us this? The starting of a jeep? Yea, Freckles and Gambit reunite with the castaways...BUT NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Were we supposed to be surprised that Alex = the french lady's daughter? That was a freaken given!
Yeah, peeved off about the whole thing....
Superfro
03/01/2007, 19:03
Were we supposed to be surprised that Alex = the french lady's daughter? That was a freaken given!
Yeah...we've pretty much had that info for over a year now right? I didn't understand that big "reveal" either. I used to feel like the show knew I was smart, however with this season I'm begging to think that they think I'm stupid.
Yeah...we've pretty much had that info for over a year now right? I didn't understand that big "reveal" either. I used to feel like the show knew I was smart, however with this season I'm begging to think that they think I'm stupid.
Well, part of the problem is that they can't figure out how to keep going with a show that you pretty much need to have watched from the beginning. Networks are always concerned with how many new viewers a show is grabbing, and Lost isn't doing it. It never really will. And they should have figured that out the first season, grown some balls, and just gone with 4 seasons of goodness.
Instead, they seem to be dragging their feet for no other reason than to reintroduce us to characters. For example, this Hurley episode. Was there anything beneficial for us past viewers? Nope, not at all. We learned some stuff about his past, but nothing we cared about in the first place. Instead, the whole episode seemed like it was there for a new viewer to understand who Hurley is.
Which not only wastes my time, but frankly, pisses me off. There are an uncountable amount of sources to update one's self with previous seasons and episodes. And they have wasted more time on this garbage than I ever thought possible. This whole season has been a pure letdown from start to finish. AND THEY'RE WITH THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!! I mean, this should be exciting stuff!
As for the reveal at the end. It didn't piss me off so much that they treated it like a reveal. What really torched my ### is that's what we waited for the whole episode to happen. And Kate takes 5 years to say it out loud.
THEY'RE WITH THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!! I mean, this should be exciting stuff!
Amen! Thawmus, I think you've hitt he nail on the head. They're catering to the network and trying to pull in new viewers at the core audience's expense. This should be the most exciting season yet, and as you said, so far it's been a comlplete disapointment.
Now, that being said, there was a sort of slump last year before it really picked up at the end. And I enjoyed the "mini-season" - sort of increased the mystery surounding the others. But since it came back, it's been a real let-down...
Thrumble Funk
03/02/2007, 09:16
I watched this episode...laughed a bit...and then got really pissed that NOTHING happened. You jerk us along for how long and then give us this? The starting of a jeep? Yea, Freckles and Gambit reunite with the castaways...BUT NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Were we supposed to be surprised that Alex = the french lady's daughter? That was a freaken given!
Yeah, peeved off about the whole thing....
I WAS upset, but something inside of me makes it impossible to hate a Hurley-centric episode. Can't do it.
Though I do wonder when exactly Sawyer lost his balls. Maybe its in a deleted scene.
absolutvt69
03/02/2007, 09:26
Amen! Thawmus, I think you've hitt he nail on the head. They're catering to the network and trying to pull in new viewers at the core audience's expense. This should be the most exciting season yet, and as you said, so far it's been a comlplete disapointment.
Now, that being said, there was a sort of slump last year before it really picked up at the end. And I enjoyed the "mini-season" - sort of increased the mystery surounding the others. But since it came back, it's been a real let-down...
I enjoyed the first two episodes when it came back. The Desmond episode actually felt like Lost again but the last two episodes have just seemed kind of boring and pointless to me. Although at least after the last one I can finally stop asking "Where the hell did Rousseau go?" My next new question is now... will Locke ever do anything again? We've hardly seen him since the show came back. I will say that next week's show looks promising although I'm not getting my expectations up.
anonym0use
03/02/2007, 12:03
I'm kinda sick of the Hurley episodes at this point. I want SO BADLY for Hurley to go with the raiding party to the Others camp, and see him spear someone and sit on them for what they did to Libbey. And it would be perfect payback for making him be the one to go back alone in the jungle just to scare everyone.
I too, have been waiting for Hurley to *HULK OUT* an an appropriate time. I thought it might have happened at the end of last season, but alas, to no avail. Part of me will be sad if Hurley does more than sit on anybody. He really doesn't have the heart of a killer, and such a change could be devastating to his character, and the valuable role he fills as comedic relief.
But instead of that, we got a nonsense episode of him jumpstarting a VW bus, and.......well......there's no other value than that. I guess I just count myself among the crowd there that was like, "WTF, are you serious?"
No value? Perhaps the curse was lifted. Would the episode be *better* if this was the case? Would it have helped if there was some crazy special FX lmist that surrounded Hurley and Charlie on their wild ride to drive home the point? I'm not saying that the curse was lifted at all - in fact, I don't really see how the curse has affected Hurley since he's been on the island. I also wonder as to how Hurley's mental state has affected his recollection of events (if at all), and that the curse is just a crutch he's using to help rationalize that the universe is chaotic and that #### happens.
Part of me wonders if this episode was an homage to Little Miss Sunshine...
I dunno, I'm glad we got a fun episode, but it just seems ill-timed. There are a lot of things that could have been happening in this episode to truly further the story, and none of it happened.
I think if the curse was lifted, then the episode was worth it. If, however, we have to deal with another 2 seasons of Hurley's curse, and several episodes of "Charlie is about to die..." then I think the argument is valid that the story wasn't really furthered ...much.
I saw this episode as more of a "catch your breath" episode. We've been due for a "breather" considering the very heated Febuary start-up. If every episode ended with a nail-biter moment the audience could burn out very easily. Plus, now that they are comitted to new episodes on a weekly basis the writer's don't have the luxury of taking a few weeks off to let us wind down from the last story arc.
And finally, this episode is reminiscent of an old trick writers often use. Peter David did stuff like this consistently on his amazing run of Incredible Hulk. He'd have a serious arc, broken by a few stand alone stories, almost always punctuated by a funny (and often self-aware) story. You could almost bank that any time a humorous issue came out, it would be followed the next month by a plot with deeper, darker tones.
FWIW, I'm of the opinion that Hurley's curse (if it even exists on the Island) was NOT lifted, only because writers need a good source of conflict to tell a good story. It's the reason why almost no one in comics can have a successful relationship. Scott & Jean are Splittsville as are Reed & Sue. Peter & MJ are probably next.
I'm still watching Lost, despite them moving the time (I now catch up via webisodes), and despite them killing off all the new characters they introduce - which is really a slap in the face to the viewers. Here they invest a lot of time revealing the n00b's backstory, only to have them suffer a grisly fate at the hands of the Island. Sure, its unpredictable at first, but if it keeps hapenning, I'm out...
Incidently, I think this is why no one seems to like the "new guy/ new girl" I think it's also a part of why they are introducing them slowly, or haven't given us a lot of backstory yet. We'll see.
In the meantime all the writers have to do to make me quit watching Lost is kill Desmond. Kill Desmond, and I'm out. I feel cheated, having been introduced to the Tailies, only to have them offed one at a time (I hate you Michael!!!) and Desmond fits the same catagory.
Superfro
03/02/2007, 12:18
Well, part of the problem is that they can't figure out how to keep going with a show that you pretty much need to have watched from the beginning. Networks are always concerned with how many new viewers a show is grabbing, and Lost isn't doing it. It never really will. And they should have figured that out the first season, grown some balls, and just gone with 4 seasons of goodness.
Instead, they seem to be dragging their feet for no other reason than to reintroduce us to characters. For example, this Hurley episode. Was there anything beneficial for us past viewers? Nope, not at all. We learned some stuff about his past, but nothing we cared about in the first place. Instead, the whole episode seemed like it was there for a new viewer to understand who Hurley is.
Which not only wastes my time, but frankly, pisses me off. There are an uncountable amount of sources to update one's self with previous seasons and episodes. And they have wasted more time on this garbage than I ever thought possible. This whole season has been a pure letdown from start to finish. AND THEY'RE WITH THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!! I mean, this should be exciting stuff!
Bingo. Which is exactly why Arrested Devlopment was the best show in the history of the world. And also exactly why it's no longer on the air. :disappoin
I too, have been waiting for Hurley to *HULK OUT* an an appropriate time. I thought it might have happened at the end of last season, but alas, to no avail. Part of me will be sad if Hurley does more than sit on anybody. He really doesn't have the heart of a killer, and such a change could be devastating to his character, and the valuable role he fills as comedic relief.
But see, I don't like him as comedic relief. The episodes where he proves to the other survivors that he's pretty damn important, and can make some of the impossible....possible (which we'll get to in a minute), that's where I think his character has a lot of value.
No value? Perhaps the curse was lifted. Would the episode be *better* if this was the case? Would it have helped if there was some crazy special FX lmist that surrounded Hurley and Charlie on their wild ride to drive home the point? I'm not saying that the curse was lifted at all - in fact, I don't really see how the curse has affected Hurley since he's been on the island. I also wonder as to how Hurley's mental state has affected his recollection of events (if at all), and that the curse is just a crutch he's using to help rationalize that the universe is chaotic and that #### happens.
No, I don't honestly think anything internal for Hurley is valuable at this point. And I for one am glad he has the curse. I think there's a very important aspect to it that he continually forgets: Bad stuff keeps happening to OTHER PEOPLE, not him. Now, because he's got a big heart, I can understand why he'd overlook such a fact, but he actually is VERY valuable as a hero, because he's still churning out good luck for HIMSELF. He's demonstrated this several times now. Everyone else around him may be cursed, but he's pretty much impervious to harm. So if he loses the curse, I'm going to be dismayed, because that's pretty much his true value to the cause.
I think if the curse was lifted, then the episode was worth it. If, however, we have to deal with another 2 seasons of Hurley's curse, and several episodes of "Charlie is about to die..." then I think the argument is valid that the story wasn't really furthered ...much.
Well, I don't like that outcome, but I certainly would be crushed if we got any more of this.
I saw this episode as more of a "catch your breath" episode. We've been due for a "breather" considering the very heated Febuary start-up. If every episode ended with a nail-biter moment the audience could burn out very easily. Plus, now that they are comitted to new episodes on a weekly basis the writer's don't have the luxury of taking a few weeks off to let us wind down from the last story arc.
We've had more than enough "Catch your breath" moments in this show this season. Nothing has actually really happened yet. So far, Kate and Sawyer have escaped, and they're learning things that we knew at the beginning of this season. They're basically catching up to the viewer at this point, and they're 4 months behind. Hell, Hurley and Locke still haven't sat down and found out that Hurley was his boss. I mean, they are positively MADE of time on this island, and simple revelations like that don't even come into play.
And finally, this episode is reminiscent of an old trick writers often use. Peter David did stuff like this consistently on his amazing run of Incredible Hulk. He'd have a serious arc, broken by a few stand alone stories, almost always punctuated by a funny (and often self-aware) story. You could almost bank that any time a humorous issue came out, it would be followed the next month by a plot with deeper, darker tones.
I certainly hope so, because this whole season has been a complete bust for me.
FWIW, I'm of the opinion that Hurley's curse (if it even exists on the Island) was NOT lifted, only because writers need a good source of conflict to tell a good story. It's the reason why almost no one in comics can have a successful relationship. Scott & Jean are Splittsville as are Reed & Sue. Peter & MJ are probably next.
I think it's entirely possible for the curse to be lifted. I know they keep a lot of basic character flaws active in Lost, but there's an awful lot of resolution that's occurred with a lot of them, if you think about it.
I'm still watching Lost, despite them moving the time (I now catch up via webisodes), and despite them killing off all the new characters they introduce - which is really a slap in the face to the viewers. Here they invest a lot of time revealing the n00b's backstory, only to have them suffer a grisly fate at the hands of the Island. Sure, its unpredictable at first, but if it keeps hapenning, I'm out...
Well, it doesn't help that the Noob actors are continually getting themselves in trouble. But I agree.
Incidently, I think this is why no one seems to like the "new guy/ new girl" I think it's also a part of why they are introducing them slowly, or haven't given us a lot of backstory yet. We'll see.
That's part of it. The other part of it is because there are so many existing characters that still deserve quite a bit more exploration. This show is EXTREMELY good at character development, and doing it as gradually and casually as possible, but doing it completely and utterly as well. And new characters typically call for a LOT of extra development. I mean, we got not one, not two, but three Ecko flashback episodes, and he wasn't even a real character in the series until the latter part of season 2. Those could have been spent on existing characters.
I know I for one am always interested in the Jack flashbacks, because, no pun intended, he's a Jack of all trades. I mean, he's got confidence, perseverance, a good soul, willpower, surgical knowledge, a fit athlete, he's obviously been in a few real fights in his life, he has tattoos on his arm, he can outbluff and outplay a Con Artist in poker, and while it's only been showcased once, he's got better gun handling skills than even Kate or Sawyer. We haven't really even TOUCHED Jack Sheppard as a character, and why he's so damn good at EVERYTHING he does.
And he'll likely be pushed aside a little further for new characters that will take 3-4 episodes out of a solitary season to explain why we need to care about them. And don't even tell me that the girl is there for anything more than eye candy. Libby and Ana were there for it, and they're both gone, so she's the replacement, as is Juliet.
In the meantime all the writers have to do to make me quit watching Lost is kill Desmond. Kill Desmond, and I'm out. I feel cheated, having been introduced to the Tailies, only to have them offed one at a time (I hate you Michael!!!) and Desmond fits the same catagory.
I completely and utterly agree with this last paragraph. Desmond is probably the biggest reason I even bother watching this show anymore. And isn't the actor in 300? I could have sworn I saw his face in previews....
hail_eris
03/02/2007, 14:36
BTW.....Sawyer nickname count went to 9 last night. Hail is still a genius. :laugh:
Glad I could help (are Sawyer nicknames replacing the Jack Bauer bodycount?). I still haven't watched the episode yet (got it recorded and hope to get to it this weekend), so I was avoiding this thread. Then my girlfriend reveals that she already scoped out the recap on Television Without Pity and we didn't miss anything. *sigh* I remember when being spoiled for this show meant that you actually learned something...
Superfro
03/02/2007, 14:58
Glad I could help (are Sawyer nicknames replacing the Jack Bauer bodycount?). I still haven't watched the episode yet (got it recorded and hope to get to it this weekend), so I was avoiding this thread. Then my girlfriend reveals that she already scoped out the recap on Television Without Pity and we didn't miss anything. *sigh* I remember when being spoiled for this show meant that you actually learned something...
See...that's really odd because the preview last week for this week's Lost said if you missed the episode you wouldn't know what everyone was talking about the next day. :rolleyes:
I was mad that I didn't have the stupid ad to watch after the episode because I wanted to see exactly how misleading it was. Then we got around to watching "Knights of Prosperity" last night and it had the ad on during that. Wow.......talk about some false advertising. :cheeky:
Thrumble Funk
03/02/2007, 15:08
See...that's really odd because the preview last week for this week's Lost said if you missed the episode you wouldn't know what everyone was talking about the next day.
See my signature. God bless hyperbole (or a gross approximation thereof)!
bootkneelee
03/05/2007, 15:05
Just saw last Weeks Episode Yesterday and I for one enjoyed it, I mean Come on Cheech @ Hurley's Dad? That Alone was worth it, and the Asteroid/Meteor hittingthe CHicken Shack? That was priceless!!! and for anyone who wants to know the difference...
Asteroid: A relatively small, inactive body, composed of rock, carbon or metal, which is orbiting the Sun.
Comet: A relatively small, sometimes active object, which is composed of dirt and ices. Comets are characterised by dust and gas tails when in proximity to the Sun. Far from the Sun it is difficult to distinguish an asteroid from a comet.
Meteoroid: A small particle from an asteroid or comet orbiting he Sun.
Meteor: A meteoroid that is observed as it burns up in the Earth's atmosphere - a shooting star.
Meteorite: A meteoroid that survives its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and impacts the Earth's surface.
That reporters name....I know I've heeard it before...just don't know where....
Oh Well, I still enjoy LOST, is it as exciting as Heroes at this point...no, no it is not, but I'm not ready to dump it.
bootkneelee
03/05/2007, 15:05
Just saw last Weeks Episode Yesterday and I for one enjoyed it, I mean Come on Cheech @ Hurley's Dad? That Alone was worth it, and the Asteroid/Meteor hittingthe CHicken Shack? That was priceless!!! and for anyone who wants to know the difference...
Asteroid: A relatively small, inactive body, composed of rock, carbon or metal, which is orbiting the Sun.
Comet: A relatively small, sometimes active object, which is composed of dirt and ices. Comets are characterised by dust and gas tails when in proximity to the Sun. Far from the Sun it is difficult to distinguish an asteroid from a comet.
Meteoroid: A small particle from an asteroid or comet orbiting he Sun.
Meteor: A meteoroid that is observed as it burns up in the Earth's atmosphere - a shooting star.
Meteorite: A meteoroid that survives its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and impacts the Earth's surface.
That reporters name....I know I've heeard it before...just don't know where....
Oh Well, I still enjoy LOST, is it as exciting as Heroes at this point...no, no it is not, but I'm not ready to dump it.
monkeyshines
03/07/2007, 15:26
I am, this series has so pulled an X-Files. Lost certainly is these days.
Man, I can't beleive nobody's posted here yet... FINALLY we get an episode with some meaning! Granted, not a whole lot was revealed, but at least it finally feels like we're getting somewhere...
mike_houghton
03/08/2007, 09:33
Glad I could help (are Sawyer nicknames replacing the Jack Bauer bodycount?). I still haven't watched the episode yet (got it recorded and hope to get to it this weekend), so I was avoiding this thread. Then my girlfriend reveals that she already scoped out the recap on Television Without Pity and we didn't miss anything. *sigh* I remember when being spoiled for this show meant that you actually learned something...
and his nicknames are now gone... atleast for a few episodes... that was probably the reason for the proliferation of them over the this season
Wyldstaar
03/08/2007, 09:40
and his nicknames are now gone... atleast for a few episodes... that was probably the reason for the proliferation of them over the this season
Sawyer always used nicknames for everyone, but he didn't used to be as sociable. In Season One, Sawyer spent most of his time laying on the beach reading. The only time he spoke to anyone was when they needed something he had, or he needed medical attention. I suppose he's been through every book and magazine on The Island, so he's been left actually talking to people, hence the non-stop nicknames.
mike_houghton
03/08/2007, 10:27
whatever the reason it has definitely increased.
hail_eris
03/08/2007, 11:16
nicknames
Ping-Pong
I have the power supreme! Or, well, the power to spoil a somewhat irrelevant plot point with an offhand comment made weeks prior!
Superfro
03/08/2007, 11:25
I have the power supreme! Or, well, the power to spoil a somewhat irrelevant plot point with an offhand comment made weeks prior!
Seriously dude. When they said they had a ping pong table I was dying for him to call someone Ping Pong, because I thought I remembered you using that one. :laugh:
mike_houghton
03/08/2007, 11:47
definitely a good episode... even Sawyer asking who the chick was. He kinda expressed my sentiments.
Did anyone else laugh when they first started fighting with the russian dude it took Locke like five minutes to come out and check. He kinda stumbled out like he was doing something he shouldnt have been doing ;)
hail_eris
03/08/2007, 11:56
Did anyone else laugh when they first started fighting with the russian dude it took Locke like five minutes to come out and check.
Not nearly as much as I laughed when I saw Nick Fury sighting that rifle with the eye that had the patch on it...
Not nearly as much as I laughed when I saw Nick Fury sighting that rifle with the eye that had the patch on it...
Heh, didn't catch that. Anyone have any theories on why Locke entered the code? I mean, he had to know something bad was going to happen...
Stepper79
03/08/2007, 13:03
Locke doesn't Want to be rescued
Edit: on the island he is Valued and a leader in the real world he was crippled and no-body
VelvetGuru9
03/08/2007, 13:30
Dialogue between Miss Klugh and Mikhail from last night, translated from Russian:
Klugh: Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: We have another way.
Klugh: They know us. We will ot let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots) (End)
VelvetGuru9
03/08/2007, 13:44
Some thoughts on Last Night’s episode. First of all, I love Sayid being able to kick “Patch’s” derrière all over the room despite having the use of just one arm. He truly is one bad dude.
Secondly, I loved how Kate then Kicked ol’ Patch in the face after he was subdued. That was a bit of payback for him being an Other plus throwing her around and hitting her during the fight scene.
On the computer video, Dr. Candle kept on talking about the “hostiles” and that was the name that Desmond and his friend Kelvin both called the Others in last season’s finale.
I think Mikhail (Patch) set Locke up to blow the Flame station (somehow that sounds wrong). Remember, the others know a lot about the Losties and I think that he (Mikhail/Patch) knew Locke’s belief system, as noticed from how he had to make sure that the numbers were always punched in the hatch wouldn’t let him not enter 77.
Plus, I also think that it was a way of letting Ben and the Others know that his area had been compromised. Locke was set-up from the beginning on that and I’m sure that Patch told Locke he couldn’t beat the computer chess game because he knew Locke would keep trying.
absolutvt69
03/08/2007, 13:51
I'm not sure Locke's motives for entering the numbers are as sinister as some people think. For one he had no idea that the whole place was wired. Also, the guy on the monitor said to enter the number if a hostile incursion had occurred. It's entirely possible Locke thought that by entering the code it would somehow "alert" the Dharma Initiative (or someone else off the island) so that they could come in and put down the rebellion. Outside of that remember that the last time Locke DIDN'T enter numbers into a computer, the whole hatch imploded. Plus we know Locke likes to punch in numbers... and blow up stations. It should be a running joke from now on that every station they find, Locke destroys in some way.
Wyldstaar
03/08/2007, 14:47
We also need to keep in mind that before Locke entered the code for a hostile incursion, he selected the option to contact the outside world. If he wanted to sabotage any possibility of helping the survivors to escape The Island, he wouldn't have chosen that option.
VelvetGuru9
03/08/2007, 15:40
We also need to keep in mind that before Locke entered the code for a hostile incursion, he selected the option to contact the outside world. If he wanted to sabotage any possibility of helping the survivors to escape The Island, he wouldn't have chosen that option.
That's why I think our boy Locke was set-up by Mikhail. Mikhail knew what the sequence of events would be, but he had to get Locke to beat the chess game so he could get those instructions.
hail_eris
03/08/2007, 15:54
That's why I think our boy Locke was set-up by Mikhail. Mikhail knew what the sequence of events would be, but he had to get Locke to beat the chess game so he could get those instructions.
Problem with that theory is that Locke was in there, unsupervised, for a good long time. What happens if he beats the game and enters "77" while they're all sitting in the living room? Nick Fury might have assumed that Locke would beat the chess program, but it's a stretch to believe that he'd know exactly how long it would take for him to do so.
VelvetGuru9
03/09/2007, 08:42
Problem with that theory is that Locke was in there, unsupervised, for a good long time. What happens if he beats the game and enters "77" while they're all sitting in the living room? Nick Fury might have assumed that Locke would beat the chess program, but it's a stretch to believe that he'd know exactly how long it would take for him to do so.
I disagree with that because if you've read the transcripts of what Patch and Miss Klugh were saying to each other in Russian it makes sense.
Also, remember that Patch was probably watching all the goings on in The Swan and knew about Locke's obsession with punching numbers. Remember him telling Locke, "Don't bother playing, you can't win." What a great setup and with Locke's 'don't tell me what to do personality' you knew it was only a matter of minutes before he'd try. Remember the look on Locke's face as he pondered returning to the game or watching his seemingly unconscious opponent?
On another note, Nadia tha cat, coincidence or not? I think not, because it seems an awful lot of calculation for the others to do. Plus digging up that picture of Nadia Comaneci seems to be a bit over the top, even for Ben and the Others.
VelvetGuru9
03/09/2007, 08:49
and in case you were wondering about the dialogue in Russian:
Klugh: Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: We have another way.
Klugh: They know us. We will ot let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots) (End)
It makes more sense about Locke after reading this, no?
On another note, Nadia tha cat, coincidence or not? I think not, because it seems an awful lot of calculation for the others to do. Plus digging up that picture of Nadia Comaneci seems to be a bit over the top, even for Ben and the Others.
That's assuming that either the cat, or the gymnast, actually has the name of "Nadia".
I think, thanks to how much they know about each of the survivors, that they know everything about Sayid at this point, and Patch enjoyed toying with his head like that.
VelvetGuru9
03/09/2007, 09:58
That's assuming that either the cat, or the gymnast, actually has the name of "Nadia".
I think, thanks to how much they know about each of the survivors, that they know everything about Sayid at this point, and Patch enjoyed toying with his head like that.
I can't help but think the same thing. Especially considering that Mikhail was Russian and Nadia Comaneci was Romanian. If he really had to have pictures up, where was the Soviet, Olga Korbut?
EmperorNorton
03/11/2007, 14:20
After watching this episode I'm wondering...
They are searching the station for things that could be useful and all they take are a couple of flashlights?
I mean...wouldn't the cow be useful?
Wyldstaar
03/11/2007, 16:15
After watching this episode I'm wondering...
They are searching the station for things that could be useful and all they take are a couple of flashlights?
I mean...wouldn't the cow be useful?
The cow would require someone to look after it, and it would slow them down. As it is, they've already got a dangerous prisoner who has stated quite clearly that he will kill them all if the opportunity arises. They don't need a cow distracting them.
yeah, at first I was a little annoyed that they didn't grab those Dharm instruction manuals. I mean, those should pretty much tell them everything they need to know about what Dharma was all about, right?
But as I thought about it, there was liek a whole shelf full of those books -it just wouldn't have been practical for them to carry all that.
And ultimately, they probably thought they could always come back for teh stuf - they didn't know Locke was going to blow it up....
absolutvt69
03/15/2007, 09:10
I liked last night's episode. It was back to basics in a way. We had some plot on the beach, some plot in the jungle and a backstory... and it all contained regular characters that I actually care about. It didn't matter that I already pretty much knew that the "connection" was going to be Jack and Claire. The last scene where Jack was running towards the jungle I kept thinking... is he escaping... does he know Kate and his friends have come... nope he's just playing a little football w/ Mr. Friendly. That part was pretty cool b/c it caught me totally off-guard. And is it me or is Locke behaving extremely strange?? Next week it looks like we get to find out how he came to be in his wheelchair... of course knowing the preview's tendency to exaggerate who knows...
mike_houghton
03/15/2007, 09:35
No... Locke has always acted in his own best interests. I truly enjoyed last nights episode... more so then usual because John has been a little more important to the story. Next weeks episode has me seriously pumped to because John is a bad ### and it looks like he was smiling when his hands where in the air and the building exploded in the background. I dont know but his expressions over the last few weeks have been great.
And why is Jacks dad associated with everyone... lol next he is going to be a doctor at hurleys clinic
And why is Jacks dad associated with everyone... lol next he is going to be a doctor at hurleys clinic
I have had a hunch for a while now that the "head man" the others keep talking about is Jack's dad. I know, I know, he's dead... but it would be pretty sweet.
Last night finally felt like we were back to something. I agree with you absoluttv - even though I had pretty much already assumed the connection with Jack and Claire, it was still pretty cool.
And, even though they tend to exaggerate, it looks like my theory that Locke ended up in the wheelchair as a result of the kidney surgery was mistaken...
A surprisingly good episode, I must say. And part of it was because we got only 5 seconds of Sawyer in it.
Which kinda makes me sad, too, because I remember when I wasn't annoyed by his character, and thought he was pretty awesome.
Anywho, Mikhail was pretty good again. I'd still like to know why he and Clue were so intent on killing themselves.
And I hope that they spend an episode to explain what's happened to Jack since they came back over to the main island. He wouldn't smile at anything if they hadn't already told him everything.
Superfro
03/15/2007, 13:05
He wouldn't smile at anything if they hadn't already told him everything.
Uh...have you not seen the past 10 episodes or so. He doesn't really seem to have a problem taking "no" for an answer anymore. Weak. :rolleyes:
I hate Charlie and Claire, so this episode was a bit of bore for me. And another "reveal" was made that we pretty much "knew" from season 1 or 2.
Oh well....at least next week looks to have a lot of potential. My only concern, Locke's paralysis is really one of the biggest mysteries out there. It better not be uber lame.
JackAssterson
03/15/2007, 13:08
I really enjoyed Eyepatchy, if only because he was played by Andrew Divoff, the Wishmaster himself. Just a neat actor, him.
Uh...have you not seen the past 10 episodes or so. He doesn't really seem to have a problem taking "no" for an answer anymore. Weak. :rolleyes:
True, but that hasn't slowed him down from being a major prick to everyone and anyone.
This is a change of pace for him, since the last time we saw him.
EmperorNorton
03/16/2007, 16:07
Hmm, gothy Claire..
I enjoyed this episode a lot because it felt like a Lost episode, something we've had very little of this season.
We got to see different stories progressing at the same time. We got screen time for lots of characters, and not just background cameos. Stuff actually happened.
Although I do have to admit that the gamer/writer side of me was saying, "Did you make sure Mikhail is actually dead?" :laugh:
And on the "Jack's dad is Claire's dad" reveal - I know that we've suspected this for a long time, but I can't remember when or why we came to this conclusion.
Mmmm... gothy Claire!
Fixed it, sir.
hail_eris
03/16/2007, 16:55
Although I do have to admit that the gamer/writer side of me was saying, "Did you make sure Mikhail is actually dead?" :laugh:
Hey, I went to exactly the same place. And if you really want to go gamer on it, dead ain't dead until you've decapitated the corpse and stuffed its mouth full of garlic. Just sayin'.
And on the "Jack's dad is Claire's dad" reveal - I know that we've suspected this for a long time, but I can't remember when or why we came to this conclusion.
Wanna say that it started (for me, anyway) with the Ana Lucia flashback where Jack's dad went to her house. There might have been some reference to it in season one, but I still haven't seen any of those episodes.
And as much as I enjoyed Goth!Claire, she lost all her street cred when I saw her using a piercing gun. You want the gun, you go to Earring Hut at the mall. You want the kind of body mods we saw on the extra in that shot, you go to a tattoo parlor and they do it right with a needle.
anonym0use
03/16/2007, 22:06
.Anywho, Mikhail was pretty good again. I'd still like to know why he and Clue were so intent on killing themselves.
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Might be that they're afraid of a fate worse than death...
I am glad we are back to where Lost should be....I was getting worred. Sayed is the man though. My guess is that they have broken down Jack and he is now just cutting loose for the first time. He is no longer "the leader" and is no longer "lost".
By the way...what was Patch talking about when he was mentioning Sayed and Kate being "unclean" or tainted or whatever he was talking about? Theories? And why is John clear? Is John the only "innocent" on the island? Jack seems pretty clear...he hasn't done anything wrong (and they took him)...neither has Hurley. What has Claire done wrong? So confused...I like it better than being bored.
I am glad we are back to where Lost should be....I was getting worred. Sayed is the man though. My guess is that they have broken down Jack and he is now just cutting loose for the first time. He is no longer "the leader" and is no longer "lost".
By the way...what was Patch talking about when he was mentioning Sayed and Kate being "unclean" or tainted or whatever he was talking about? Theories? And why is John clear? Is John the only "innocent" on the island? Jack seems pretty clear...he hasn't done anything wrong (and they took him)...neither has Hurley. What has Claire done wrong? So confused...I like it better than being bored.
I wondered about that too - although I didn't get the impression Locke was "clear." I didn't think any of them were on the list. The thing that gets me is, if Jack, Sawyer and Kate aren't on this list, why did the others want them?
VelvetGuru9
03/17/2007, 09:43
I wondered about that too - although I didn't get the impression Locke was "clear." I didn't think any of them were on the list. The thing that gets me is, if Jack, Sawyer and Kate aren't on this list, why did the others want them?
Locke was originally on the list. Remember when they first captured Ben and he was talking to Locke? There was a point in the conversation where Benry told Locke that he [paraphrasing here] was one of the good people and that he was there to take him away.
VelvetGuru9
03/17/2007, 09:48
Another thing I thought of while watching this episode is that the bird's there may have been migratory and all, but did anyone else think...who's tagging them? My first thought was that it was either Dharma initiative or the man financing everything which would mean that the others are probably going to get to the note first.
Locke was originally on the list. Remember when they first captured Ben and he was talking to Locke? There was a point in the conversation where Benry told Locke that he [paraphrasing here] was one of the good people and that he was there to take him away.
Ah, forgot about that.... is anyone else confirmed to be on "the list"?:ermm:
Mar-vell
03/18/2007, 09:47
Ah, forgot about that.... is anyone else confirmed to be on "the list"?:ermm:
I remembered it, and you could see John's reactions as he was remembering it too. But I wouldn't say that anything coming from Ben is "confirmed."
anonym0use
03/19/2007, 15:09
Locke was originally on the list. Remember when they first captured Ben and he was talking to Locke? There was a point in the conversation where Benry told Locke that he [paraphrasing here] was one of the good people and that he was there to take him away.
I don't know how you could take anything Benry had to say at face value after lying through his teeth consistently. Everything the others say should be taken into consideration that they are lying. It's what they do. I think some *truths* escape here and there, but these truths (few and far between) are very hard to identify.
I'm still not sure why the "others", if their camp is indeed surrounded by the "sonic" fence, have bothered messing with the Losties at all. It seems to me like very few of the Losties would have ventured too far inland, preferring to stay on the beach in hopes of rescue. Those that did venture inland (and made it past the Polar Bears and Smoke Clouds) would have hit the fence and...*POOF*...the end. Provoking the Losties hasn't really helped the others at all.
And why do I get the feeling that Ben's group is just another bunch of Dharma test subject, only in a bigger version of Skinner box than the one they threw Sawyer in?
VelvetGuru9
03/21/2007, 10:10
I remembered it, and you could see John's reactions as he was remembering it too. But I wouldn't say that anything coming from Ben is "confirmed."
I just heard why Ben told Locke he is on the list and it's going to be revealed tonight at the end of tonight's show; which I'm telling you here and now is going to be the most shocking thing! It's a spoiler that even I can't tell you because it's so frigging good it will knock you off your chair tonight. You'll need to wait until the last minute of the show to find out, but if you really want to know and cannot wait...PM me.
VelvetGuru9
03/21/2007, 13:29
I just talked to someone about tonight's show and all I can say is WOW, you all are not going to believe how good this episode is going to be.
If anyone has thought about not watching anymore...well, let's just put it this way, tonight is not going to be the episode to leave on. I can't say enough about what's going to go on! Head games galore! We find out how Locke wound up in a wheelchair. I guess the best way, without giving anything away, to describe what I know about tonight's episode is to say this:
Locke
*dances around*
*stops dancing*
*stunned*
Cryptic, but then isn't everything on this show?
VelvetGuru9
03/22/2007, 08:58
First thoughts: You need to have watched last night's episode to go any further.
When Locke goes through the window...remember that Hurley flashback episode where he's in an office building telling someone (I think his lawyer) that tragedy has been following him since he won the lottery and a body goes flying past the window? Knowing how they always try to tie all these things together...it was Locke falling.
Stepper79
03/22/2007, 09:06
When Locke goes through the window...remember that Hurley flashback episode where he's in an office building telling someone (I think his lawyer) that tragedy has been following him since he won the lottery and a body goes flying past the window? Knowing how they always try to tie all these things together...it was Locke falling.
Yea but..... wasn't Locke in the chair for 4 years and Hurley had not won the money yet by then right also , wasn't Locke in the chair when he work at the box company??
BTW Locke's dad looked like he might need clean shorts after he saw locke's face
Stepper79
03/22/2007, 09:08
Locke doesn't Want to be rescued
Edit: on the island he is Valued and a leader in the real world he was crippled and no-body
AHHHMMMMMM. See I was right ;)
Man, that was one killer episode. Just awesoem - I'm goign to have to go back and watch it again tonight.
I think it could concievably have been Locke that fell behind Hurley - there's never really been an established timeline for how long Hurley had the money, although four years does seem like a long time. I was alos wondering if there was a connection with the orderly that helped Locke in the hospital... he looked familiar somehow....
Also, did anybody else notice what Mr. Friendly did when he escorted jack to see Kate? HE said something along the lines of "Be careful" and made a motion to his ear and in the air, almost as though he were saying "you're being watched." Maybe supports the idea that there's someone monitoring the Others?
Wyldstaar
03/22/2007, 12:00
When Locke goes through the window...remember that Hurley flashback episode where he's in an office building telling someone (I think his lawyer) that tragedy has been following him since he won the lottery and a body goes flying past the window? Knowing how they always try to tie all these things together...it was Locke falling.
Yea but..... wasn't Locke in the chair for 4 years and Hurley had not won the money yet by then right also , wasn't Locke in the chair when he work at the box company??
While the timeline between Hurley and Locke is a bit vague, Locke can't be the man falling past the window in that meeting. If you'll recall, while we learned that Hurley owned the box company in that scene, we also learned that the box company burned to the ground in that scene. Locke can't have worked at the box company AFTER it burnt down.
That was an awesome episode.
'nuff said.
bootkneelee
03/22/2007, 13:49
That was an awesome episode.
'nuff said.
MOS DEF!
HERE, HERE!
NO DOUBT!
I CONCUR!!!!
BUMP THAT!
DITTO!
absolutvt69
03/22/2007, 14:04
I agree this felt more like a Season 1 episode than a Season 2 one. The flashback actually answered a long-awaited question and while the plot focused solely on the rescue team (no signs of people back at the beach) at least the characters involved were ones we know and care about Jack, Locke, Kate, Sayid.
So given that Locke's dad appears to be quite the con-man and we know that Sawyer took his name from the man that conned his mother... is there any chance that Locke's dad is the same guy that conned Sawyer's mother?
And I did notice Mr. Friendly giving Jack the "you're being watched" sign... I'm not sure what that was about. But we do know that Ben is not the big boss.
And the actor that plays Ben does a superb job. He's so calm and calculating... even when it looks like he's not in control... he is
I'm a little worried about next week's episode though... It seems to be Paulo and Nikki-centric... of course it also says someone will die so maybe it'll be Paulo or Nikki (are those even their names?).
Superfro
03/22/2007, 14:06
That was an awesome episode.
'nuff said.
The first "real" Lost episode in quite some time in my opinion.
Oddly enough I was way down on last season too, right until the Lockdown episode, which was another Locke heavy episode, and then the show all of a sudden took off again for me. I'm hoping the same goes for this season after last night, but I will remain reserved till next week. :ermm:
The frickin' Locke/Ben mindgames were awesome! Both thinking they're smarter than the other, but really only one of them having it within their nature to actually manipulate the other. Great stuff. Locke is smart, but dammit if he doesn't live his life as a constant puppet.
Superfro
03/22/2007, 14:08
So given that Locke's dad appears to be quite the con-man and we know that Sawyer took his name from the man that conned his mother... is there any chance that Locke's dad is the same guy that conned Sawyer's mother?
That's been one of the theories since they explained Sawyer's background. Hopefully we'll find out sometime.
VelvetGuru9
03/22/2007, 14:39
So given that Locke's dad appears to be quite the con-man and we know that Sawyer took his name from the man that conned his mother... is there any chance that Locke's dad is the same guy that conned Sawyer's mother?
You mean you didn't notice the postmark on Sawyers envelope was from Tallahassee? J/K I just read somewhere that the postmark IS Tallahassee.
It seems Florida plays a semi-important part in all this. Kate was in Florida, Juliette is from Florida, Jack had been there as well and now we have the Sawyer and Cooper coonection. DAMNED GOOD! the show has just taken an upwards turn.
Wyldstaar
03/22/2007, 15:02
This also begs the question, "How long have The Others had Locke's father in their custody, and why?" We know that he fled the country after tossing Locke out the window. He probably assumed that he'd killed Locke as well, and didn't stick around to find out one way or the other. Did he wind up on The Island right after his flight from the USA, or was it later?
Something else just occured to me. If the signal beacon that allows the submarine to travel to and from The Island without getting lost has been fried by the EMP, does that also mean that the airdrops of supplies from the Dharma Initiative won't be able to find The Island either?
Superfro
03/22/2007, 15:09
This also begs the question, "How long have The Others had Locke's father in their custody, and why?" We know that he fled the country after tossing Locke out the window. He probably assumed that he'd killed Locke as well, and didn't stick around to find out one way or the other. Did he wind up on The Island right after his flight from the USA, or was it later?
My guess? They went and "got him" when they learned Locke was on the island. Now everything that fills all that in? I got no clue. :p
I think Jack is gonna strangle Locke...
Ben said that this came out of his little "box", though. So it'll be interesting to see how exactly that worked.
How exactly you can pull a guy out of a magic box, that's just going to be interesting.
bagman04
03/22/2007, 15:58
I'm a little worried about next week's episode though... It seems to be Paulo and Nikki-centric... of course it also says someone will die so maybe it'll be Paulo or Nikki (are those even their names?).
Let it be paulo, I can not stand him.
Stepper79
03/22/2007, 16:26
my prediction - I inviso texted it since I know I read part of it somewhere as something that would happen this season
they find out that it was Charlie who attacked Sun last season and I don't remember the logic behind it or that sawyer was some how involved and Charlie finally dies
Superfro
03/22/2007, 16:32
I certainly hope you're right Stepper. :cool:
The sooner the better for me.
hail_eris
03/22/2007, 16:35
But then who will take care of Pippin, err, I mean Hurley?
my prediction - I inviso texted it since I know I read part of it somewhere as something that would happen this season
they find out that it was Charlie who attacked Sun last season and I don't remember the logic behind it or that sawyer was some how involved and Charlie finally dies
I think the producers started a rumor a long time ago that the last half of this season would make this happen, so yeah, we're still waiting for this to happen. What I think will be the MOST interesting is to see what exactly would drive Sawyer (assuming he's the one that lets it out) to tell everyone what happened, when he gave his word that he wouldn't say anything.
bootkneelee
03/22/2007, 17:45
I think the producers started a rumor a long time ago that the last half of this season would make this happen, so yeah, we're still waiting for this to happen. What I think will be the MOST interesting is to see what exactly would drive Sawyer (assuming he's the one that lets it out) to tell everyone what happened, when he gave his word that he wouldn't say anything.
2 Words......SELF-PRESERVATION!
Superfro
03/22/2007, 17:49
2 Words......SELF-PRESERVATION!
Oh..and the fact that he's a con-man and a liar. :p
bootkneelee
03/22/2007, 17:55
Oh..and the fact that he's a con-man and a liar. :p
There is that!
Wyldstaar
03/22/2007, 19:15
Ben said that this came out of his little "box", though. So it'll be interesting to see how exactly that worked.
How exactly you can pull a guy out of a magic box, that's just going to be interesting.
I think the "magic box" is supposed to be a metaphor rather than being taken litterally. Ben was certainly laying it on a bit thick, but there was probably some level of truth to it. I can't help but wonder if the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is somewhere on The Island, causing all of these cooincidences.
mike_houghton
03/22/2007, 21:12
K when Locke showed up was when he told them to get the man from Tall. . He also then told John about the box, I think he knew he was going to be able to manipulate him with it, no box. I also think they are on Gilligans Island and they are the true others. The smoke beast is just something the professor cooked up.
hotwaffleman
03/23/2007, 03:55
oh man. this weeks episode is awesome. i was watching it on my ipod at work and yelled 'oh F**K!' when John fell (kinda uncomfortable).
also, from last week, all I gotta say is....Damn! they blew up the cow!
Captain Beyond
03/23/2007, 04:02
oh man. this weeks episode is awesome. i was watching it on my ipod at work and yelled 'oh F**K!' when John fell (kinda uncomfortable).
also, from last week, all I gotta say is....Damn! they blew up the cow!
And the horse and maybe the cat.
VelvetGuru9
03/23/2007, 13:27
Let it be paulo, I can not stand him.
I wouldn't say that Paulo dies, but I hope they do bury him. Sun did say that someone else will get buried but I'm not so sure that there'll be a death to go with it :cheeky:
Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that Locke always has something to do with boxes? Box company, Ben's big box...even his name has something to do with boxes. Lock(e) Box
VelvetGuru9
03/23/2007, 13:33
I think the "magic box" is supposed to be a metaphor rather than being taken litterally. Ben was certainly laying it on a bit thick, but there was probably some level of truth to it. I can't help but wonder if the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is somewhere on The Island, causing all of these cooincidences.
Something that hasn't been discussed about the "magic box" is this; what if the magic box is the smoke demon. We've already seen it turn into Eko's brother, Jack's dad, Kate's horse and (I'm forgetting one other here) someone else. If the smoke demon could conjure up all those people, why tehn wouldn't it be able to conjure up Cooper.
From what we do know, the others have been there awhile, but we don't know if there's any connection between the smokey and Benry. What if the smoke demon is somehow controlled by Ben and the others?
hail_eris
03/23/2007, 14:24
Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that Locke always has something to do with boxes? Box company, Ben's big box...even his name has something to do with boxes. Lock(e) Box
What's funnier is that the man just can't resist blowing up stuff that you have to enter by way of hatch. We're going to find out that the plane went down because Locke found the trapdoor to the cargo hold and he couldn't help himself...
Discussion:
How are the Others related to the Dharma Initiative?
If Ben has been there his whole life, and he's about 40 y/o (probalby more), but Dharma has been there since at least the 70's, then there is some overlap.
There was talk about the Others fighting the 'Scientists.' But who is who?
Ben also had Dharma brand food in his fridge. And Mikhal had taken up residence in the Flame station, and they Others use the Water station.
I can't figure out who is what.
Discussion:
How are the Others related to the Dharma Initiative?
If Ben has been there his whole life, and he's about 40 y/o (probalby more), but Dharma has been there since at least the 70's, then there is some overlap.
Or perhaps Benry is the result of an experiment and has an accelerated life span. He's a replicant! :noid:
JackAssterson
03/23/2007, 23:13
Discussion:
How are the Others related to the Dharma Initiative?
If Ben has been there his whole life, and he's about 40 y/o (probalby more), but Dharma has been there since at least the 70's, then there is some overlap.
There was talk about the Others fighting the 'Scientists.' But who is who?
Ben also had Dharma brand food in his fridge. And Mikhal had taken up residence in the Flame station, and they Others use the Water station.
I can't figure out who is what.
Near as I can tell they're either lying about being unaffiliated and actually are the Dharma Project (unlikely) or they got rid of the old Dharmies and are masquerading as the continuation of the project so drops of food and supplies keep coming. I mean, why would the Dharma project be delivering aid drops to a bunch o' savages what ate their mans?
mike_houghton
03/23/2007, 23:46
im thinking sun figures out charlie was the one to kidnap her last season and that sawyer is still hiding it and kicks the #### out of them asian style
Discussion:
How are the Others related to the Dharma Initiative?
If Ben has been there his whole life, and he's about 40 y/o (probalby more), but Dharma has been there since at least the 70's, then there is some overlap.
There was talk about the Others fighting the 'Scientists.' But who is who?
Ben also had Dharma brand food in his fridge. And Mikhal had taken up residence in the Flame station, and they Others use the Water station.
I can't figure out who is what.
I'm sort of the same way... it's definitely confusing.
I've started to suspect that the Others are seperate from the DI but are controlled or at least monitored by the Dharma Initiative. It definitely seems like they're hiding things from someone....
That was Ben in Juliet's flashbacks, right? If so, he hasn't been on the island his whole life! There! I solved the mystery! Right..?
On a serious note, I really don't know where to take half of this. Basically I need one more clue or so to put two and two together. Locke is such a BAMF too!
anonym0use
03/27/2007, 08:38
Was Ben on the Island his whole life, or did he say he was just born there. I don't remember...
hail_eris
03/27/2007, 11:29
That was Ben in Juliet's flashbacks, right? If so, he hasn't been on the island his whole life! There! I solved the mystery! Right..?
Nah, it was Ben's little helper - the one who got Juliet's ex-husband hit by a bus. I can't remember his name, so I've just been thinking of him as "heavy eyeliner guy." *If* (and that's a big if) he was representing the Dharma Initiative when he tried to recruit Juliet, there's definitely a link between the original DI population and the current inhabitants of the Subdivision That Time Forgot.
Here's a few more things to connect the dots...
The Stations were built by Dharma (Swan, Flame, Pearl, etc). And the power runs from the Flame to the Village - giving proof that the Village is DI built as well.
If Ben has lived his whole life on the island, presumably either in the village or some other permanent structure, then he'd have to have been there originally as part of DI.
Whether the current group split off from DI, Mutinied, or simply evolved from them seems to be unanswered.
JackAssterson
03/27/2007, 14:02
Whether the current group split off from DI, Mutinied, or simply evolved from them seems to be unanswered.
Wild guess -- at least some are descendents of the people who built the four toed statue. When Dharma got to the island they found people already there and either used them as test subjects or incoporated them into the project.
Something Azs' post just made me think of.....
If the flame was powering the village, and Locke blew the Flame up, where is the village getting its power?:ermm:
I can't remember his name, so I've just been thinking of him as "heavy eyeliner guy."
"I am" (flourishes cape) "Bat-manuel!"
Nestor Carbonell
Something Azs' post just made me think of.....
If the flame was powering the village, and Locke blew the Flame up, where is the village getting its power?:ermm:The flame was not a power station, it was only on the overall power grid.
Sayid used the power grid as a map to find the village.
The flame was not a power station, it was only on the overall power grid.
Sayid used the power grid as a map to find the village.
Well then what was the point of the Flame? I thought each of the stations had a specific purpose.... I'm getting even more confused....
Well then what was the point of the Flame? I thought each of the stations had a specific purpose.... I'm getting even more confused....
Communications with the outside world.
Communications with the outside world.
Oh yeah. Duh....:laugh:
VelvetGuru9
03/28/2007, 10:18
Here's some more info to connect Locke's dad, Cooper, with Sawyer. From season one, this comes from the episode where Sawyer goes to Australia and kills the wrong man; the man he thought was the real Sawyer: HIBBS (speaking to Sawyer): "Back in the day this guy Duckett was quite the hustler. He ran the romance angle, hooked the wife and took the husband for all the money. He was pretty good at it, too, from what I hear." Of course we all know Duckett was the wrong guy, but I think Hibbs knew who the real guy actually was too. And remember they talked about this just after discussing why Sawyer wanted to kick Hibbs's ### after the "Tampa Job".
mike_houghton
03/28/2007, 12:54
totally crazy but i read somewhere that at the end of the season jacks going to take off his socks and reveal that he has only 4 toes...... dun dun dun!
What a twist!
It may have been a filler episode, but tonights episode was one of the best in a while. Man that ending creeped me out!
mike_houghton
03/28/2007, 21:37
ummm how did u see it so early :(
Man, that was.... creepy. Not much plot progression, yet I liked it. Anybody notice anything "special"?
hail_eris
03/28/2007, 23:28
Was it just me, or did anyone else totally miss Paolo's accent the first time around? I enjoyed the episode, though, as it allowed me to introduce my girlfriend to the word "retcon."
Superfro
03/29/2007, 00:53
I found the episode to be very Hitchcockian, and for me, that's awesome. I didn't think the show had the stones to actually let them be buried alive at the end. Kudos to them for going all the way.
Although I did have to see Boone again, so I guess it wasn't all good. :cheeky:
bootkneelee
03/29/2007, 02:11
I found the episode to be very Hitchcockian, and for me, that's awesome. I didn't think the show had the stones to actually let them be buried alive at the end. Kudos to them for going all the way.
Although I did have to see Boone again, so I guess it wasn't all good. :cheeky:
I looked over at my girl and was like "That was total Hitchcock!"
I enjoyed the episode, though, as it allowed me to introduce my girlfriend to the word "retcon."
It made me want to crack out the season 1 DVDs to see if we actually did have someone with that basic appearance in some of those scenes :grin:
VelvetGuru9
03/29/2007, 08:20
I wouldn't say that Paulo dies, but I hope they do bury him. Sun did say that someone else will get buried but I'm not so sure that there'll be a death to go with it :cheeky:
I called it. They never buried anyone who was dead!
I liked last nights episode too, but just for the fact that they got rid of those characters and gave us some more insight into a few things, most iportantly the Ben and Juliet conversation.
I found the episode to be very Hitchcockian, and for me, that's awesome. I didn't think the show had the stones to actually let them be buried alive at the end. Kudos to them for going all the way.
Although I did have to see Boone again, so I guess it wasn't all good. :cheeky:
Actually, that's how this episode was ruined for me at the very start (outside of the constant weather alerts that couldn't wait until commercial, and caused me to lose about 50% of the show), is that on national TV, they DON'T have the stones to show a dead body with their eyes open like that. At least, not as many continual shots of a dead body with their eyes open. Which clued me in immediately to the fact that they weren't dead. So the rest of the episode was pretty much finding out how and why they both got paralyzed.
The only thing in the episode that I was actually intrigued about was the fact that the little black velvet bag of diamonds was, yet again, another "tie-in" with Heroes. If you remember, Matt, the telepath, had the exact same bag of little white diamonds.
Actually, that's how this episode was ruined for me at the very start (outside of the constant weather alerts that couldn't wait until commercial, and caused me to lose about 50% of the show), is that on national TV, they DON'T have the stones to show a dead body with their eyes open like that. At least, not as many continual shots of a dead body with their eyes open. Which clued me in immediately to the fact that they weren't dead. So the rest of the episode was pretty much finding out how and why they both got paralyzed.
The only thing in the episode that I was actually intrigued about was the fact that the little black velvet bag of diamonds was, yet again, another "tie-in" with Heroes. If you remember, Matt, the telepath, had the exact same bag of little white diamonds.
I've really got to start watching Heroes....
And I agree Thawmus, I pretty much knew from teh beginning they weren't dead. I couldn't quite put my finger on it until you said it, but yeah, it was the way they kept showing the bodies with their eyes open. Still, it didn't ruin it for me, and I was surprised that they actually got buried in the end.
Anybody know how many episodes are left in this season? I thought I remember reading somewhere that the mystery of the Others would be revealed by the end of the season, and if that's the case I'm thinking this si going to have to start moving pretty quickly...
CapSpalding
03/29/2007, 10:26
Was it just me, or did anyone else totally miss Paolo's accent the first time around? I enjoyed the episode, though, as it allowed me to introduce my girlfriend to the word "retcon."
Listen to when he calls Sawyer a "hillbilly" an episode or two back. His accent really comes through hard and makes the insult even funnier.
I loved this episode, but then again, my favorite X-Files episodes were the stand-alone, non-mythology ones.
absolutvt69
03/29/2007, 10:29
I liked this episode. I don't know if it was b/c I had pretty low expectations (knowing it was a Nikki and Paulo episode beforehand) or what but while it didn't reveal a lot of stuff it was entertaining and amusing. I loved how Sawyer led off the show with the question pretty much everyone's been asking since the start of this season "Who the hell is Nikki?" I also like how he called them Nina and Pablo at one point. Hurley's eulogy was great too... "Apparently you killed each other over diamonds". It was fun to see old scenes from new perspectives too (kind of like "Snake Eyes" w/ Nicholas Cage). And of course we aren't assured that N&P are dead. They were buried alive and obviously the paralysis was wearing off as they were finishing the burial. I'm not sure how long you could survive being buried in sand but I imagine someone could dig their way out if they really tried. I honestly didn't think they'd bury them. I thought Sawyer would see one of them move or something or a hand would shoot up throw the sand.... I was glad they went through w/ it. Interesting, if not revealing, episode.
absolutvt69
03/29/2007, 10:57
Oh and I forgot... Billy Dee Williams!! ;-) Adding to my thought about them not being dead... Locke's comment "Nothing stays buried" and Nikki's character on the TV show that is shot, the guy says "We can bring her back next season".
Oh and I forgot... Billy Dee Williams!! ;-) Adding to my thought about them not being dead... Locke's comment "Nothing stays buried" and Nikki's character on the TV show that is shot, the guy says "We can bring her back next season".
I was dismayed that he didn't say "Polar Bear" at least once during the flashback. :p
VelvetGuru9
03/29/2007, 11:26
Oh and I forgot... Billy Dee Williams!! ;-) Adding to my thought about them not being dead... Locke's comment "Nothing stays buried" and Nikki's character on the TV show that is shot, the guy says "We can bring her back next season".
And what possible tie-in could there be to put Billy Dee Wiliams on the show? I mean come on, let's be realistic and look at this with open eyes.
::puts on glasses::
I see Billy Dee was in a movie called Star Wars and he lived on a floating city. I guess we can call that an island, right? Then there was that movie for TV he was in called Lost Flight where his plane he's on crash lands on a deserted island. Okay, I think I'm getting it now. Then he was on a TV show called The New People. Hmmmmm, that was a show about people who crash on an island.
::takes glasses off::
You see...what we are dealing with here is some sort of anomaly about Billy Dee Williams. This isn't about Locke or Jack or Kate or even Benry. It's a Dream of Billy Dee Williams' we're having to sit through. Just wait till James Caan comes crashing through the jungle to announce he has Cancer.
My experience with the show last night.
When the flashback occurs and it's clear it will be Nikki and Paolo night: "No no no nono NO. Everyone always says it, but this show's lost me."
By the time Sawyer says "Who the hell's Nikki?" to end the first segment, I say "Ok, I'm back on board".
Regarding the ending, JJ Abrams sure has a thing for burying people alive. See Alias for example. I don't know if it happened in Felicity....
mike_houghton
03/29/2007, 11:29
who brought the colt 45?
mike_houghton
03/29/2007, 11:53
ohh Nikke said paralyzed at the beginning... why didnt I catch that?
Nikke's hot. That's all I gotta say about the subject. She can paralyze me and do "Nasty things" to me for 8 hours. Wouldn't mind a bit....
VelvetGuru9
03/29/2007, 12:24
Did anyone catch what Locke told Paulo? Nothing stays buried for long on this island.
And another tease was at the beginning of last night's episode when Nikki was talking to Zukkerman after she'd finshed that scene for Expose' and he told her he'd "bring her back next season". And she said something like, "You can't do that, I'm dead."
mike_houghton
03/29/2007, 12:29
or that on expose they dont find out who the bad guy is until the fourth season? HMMMM makes u wonder huh? Is it Billy Dee Williams... is he responsible for Hugo being fat and Sawyer being a Jackass.... maybe he was the one who Sawyer is looking for.
or that on expose they dont find out who the bad guy is until the fourth season? HMMMM makes u wonder huh? Is it Billy Dee Williams... is he responsible for Hugo being fat and Sawyer being a Jackass.... maybe he was the one who Sawyer is looking for.
Actually, I believe Locke's dad is the real Sawyer.
He's the most fitting non-Lostie for the role that we know of thus far.
mike_houghton
03/29/2007, 13:03
wow r u serious.... did u miss my sarcasm.... did u really think I thought Billy Dee Williams could be the bad guy? I am sorry for the confusion but my last post was mostly a joke.
wow r u serious.... did u miss my sarcasm.... did u really think I thought Billy Dee Williams could be the bad guy? I am sorry for the confusion but my last post was mostly a joke.
I got the joke.
However, it's not entirely unconceivable that Billy Dee could end up being the mastermind. Rule out no-one.
So while you were being funny, what you said could entirely end up becoming a reality.
bootkneelee
03/29/2007, 13:24
wow r u serious.... did u miss my sarcasm.... did u really think I thought Billy Dee Williams could be the bad guy? I am sorry for the confusion but my last post was mostly a joke.
Oh you say that now, but when it indeed turns out that Mr King of Cloud City, sippin on some Colt 45 Billy "THE MACK DADDY" D Williams is indeed behind everything, you'll hit us with an "I TOLD YOU SO!!"
{Notice how I slippedthat in there so if it does happen I can say "I TOLD YOU SO!"} :noid: :ermm: :tired:
absolutvt69
03/29/2007, 13:50
I think it might be more of a parallel than a direct connection. From what I got last night, on that fake TV show (Expose?) Billy Dee Williams' character was supposedly a good guy but in the 4th season he's revealed to be the big bad guy. How does that translate to Lost? Someone that we think is good will end up being the leader of the Others? Of Dharma? And who would it be? We know Ben is not the head honcho.
VelvetGuru9
03/29/2007, 16:15
I already know the answer to this, but has anyone figured out or seen the anagram to "Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward"? I'll give you one of the words...Sawyer. The rest of the anagram will fit two of our castaways who seem to have a "connection" with Cooper/Seward. BTW, Cooper and Seward are the two names that Locke's dad has used. Have fun figuring it out and you'll definitely say "wow!"
PS if you want to cheat...I've inviso texted it.
"Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward" is an anagram for "Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad".
hail_eris
03/29/2007, 16:35
Oh you say that now, but when it indeed turns out that Mr King of Cloud City, sippin on some Colt 45 Billy "THE MACK DADDY" D Williams is indeed behind everything, you'll hit us with an "I TOLD YOU SO!!"
{Notice how I slippedthat in there so if it does happen I can say "I TOLD YOU SO!"} :noid: :ermm: :tired:
Hey, I called the ping pong table. Do not underestimate the prophetic power of jokes in this thread...
VelvetGuru9
03/30/2007, 08:44
one more side note to the episode. In the airport just after we see Shannon and Boone arguing, Nikki tells Paulo that she hopes they don't turn out like those two. By the end of the episode they're exactly like those two...DEAD!
anonym0use
03/30/2007, 10:53
Was anyone else surprised that Sawyer threw away the diamonds? Obviously they have no value on the island, but I thought it was an interesting character point, considering Sawyer had set himself up as a pack rat/general store type of guy...
It could almost be considered symbolic of the abandonment of hope, although I think possibly the diamonds could have caused more trouble than they were worth had Sawyer kept them...
Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Sawyer pocketed one or two for a "just in case" event.
Or...and this just came to me... perhaps someone else goes to dig them up, and they find one of the bodies is missing!
bootkneelee
03/30/2007, 13:04
Was anyone else surprised that Sawyer threw away the diamonds? Obviously they have no value on the island, but I thought it was an interesting character point, considering Sawyer had set himself up as a pack rat/general store type of guy...
It could almost be considered symbolic of the abandonment of hope, although I think possibly the diamonds could have caused more trouble than they were worth had Sawyer kept them...
Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Sawyer pocketed one or two for a "just in case" event.
Or...and this just came to me... perhaps someone else goes to dig them up, and they find one of the bodies is missing!
I think that Sawyer
A] Kept a few for himslef
and
B] got rid of them for all to see to get some points... you know make himself seem like not such the jerk that he is
WORST EPISODE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was this a Mort show or what???Take characters who are inconsequential and dedicate an hour to their backstory.Wow-cuz the series isn't bogged down enough.Can't wait for Heroes truimphant return!!!
I disagree. What this show was being "bogged down with" is way too much about the others. This is a much better show when they focus on the castaways. You know, the ones who are actually lost.
absolutvt69
03/31/2007, 00:31
WORST EPISODE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was this a Mort show or what???Take characters who are inconsequential and dedicate an hour to their backstory.Wow-cuz the series isn't bogged down enough.Can't wait for Heroes truimphant return!!!
It's funny b/c this episode was aimed at comments like this. The main reason I liked it was b/c it was cleverly done.
It's funny b/c this episode was aimed at comments like this. The main reason I liked it was b/c it was cleverly done.
Yeah same, like when they showed Sawyer have that argument with Nikki, and at the end he's just like "And who the hell are you?!?!"
I think the whole point of the episode was to make fun of that since they became somewhat 'important' in this season. I wonder if they'll survive, or they'll stay burried and die...
"Who the hell's Nikki?"
Haha
mike_houghton
03/31/2007, 13:19
u know what sucks... i heard its going to be like four weeks before they show locke again
Last week's episode was one of the best that I have seen....I mean, that is the type of show that you wait a season for. It was funny and Hitchcockian and smart and sinister.
OH...and what the hell was that thing with Boone in the beginning? Shannon said "If you would stop flirting with guys?" In last week's podcast, they said they were going to reveal the "gay lostie" on last week's episode...and it was BOONE? OH COME ON! Talk about disappointing! He had a thing for his step-sister...at most, he was bisexual!!! BOO!!!
I already know the answer to this, but has anyone figured out or seen the anagram to "Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward"? I'll give you one of the words...Sawyer. The rest of the anagram will fit two of our castaways who seem to have a "connection" with Cooper/Seward. BTW, Cooper and Seward are the two names that Locke's dad has used. Have fun figuring it out and you'll definitely say "wow!"
PS if you want to cheat...I've inviso texted it.
"Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward" is an anagram for "Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad".
By the way...this confused to me to no end. Huh? Who are the rest???
bigkahuna83
04/04/2007, 11:01
Whew! I just watched the last 4 episodes last night! it has been torture trying to stay away from this thread for he last month! ;)
Ready for tonight!!!!!
theanalogkid
04/04/2007, 23:02
Is there any reason to live on the beach when you could live in the Other's village? I hope someone suggests moving everyone there.
My roommate who never watches the show said the same thing...and that the whole fight between Kate and Juliet was a straight boy's wet dream. Heteros SO own this show! :laugh:
Wyldstaar
04/05/2007, 01:13
Is there any reason to live on the beach when you could live in the Other's village? I hope someone suggests moving everyone there.
Yes, there's a reason not to live in The Other's village. Food. The Others are leaving the village at least in part because they are in serious trouble. Since the EMP fried the locator beacon, there won't be any more Dharma Initiative airdrops of food and beer. The Others are on their own now for the most part, and there isn't enough food growing inside the defense perimiter to feed them for long. They'll likely go back to the Other Island and figure out what they're going to do next from there.
As for the survivors of Flight 815 moving to the village, they would have the same problem. No food. Living on or near the beach means fresh fish every day. Also, everyone has already pretty much resigned themselves to their current way of life. Even after the Swan Hatch was discovered and made easily accessible through the front door at the beginning of season two, hardly anyone seemed interested in going there. Everyone knew it was there. They ate the food from it's pantry, so nobody was left out. They just didn't seem to care. If they didn't care about taking a hot shower or using a proper toilet that's just a short walk through the jungle, they're certainly not going to trek halfway across The Island to move into some houses.
I am so glad the others left. That whole story line did nothing at all for me.
Superfro
04/05/2007, 02:03
My roommate who never watches the show said the same thing...and that the whole fight between Kate and Juliet was a straight boy's wet dream. Heteros SO own this show! :laugh:
Maybe without Kate's huge teeth in the way. :p
Anyway.....as an Iowa resident, this episode taught me one thing. I'm severly ####ed if I ever need a new fanbelt. :rolleyes:
Anyway.....as an Iowa resident, this episode taught me one thing. I'm severly ####ed if I ever need a new fanbelt. :rolleyes:
Ha, great line 'fro.
I actually liked it, although it's really gotten me wondering; does anyone think all these connections are leading anywhere, or they all just random chance? My first thought was that maybe Kate's accomplice last night would show up in the "room" as Sawyer's wish at some point....
ClownShoes
04/05/2007, 10:51
Is there any reason to live on the beach when you could live in the Other's village? I hope someone suggests moving everyone there.
I would've at least thought Kate and Juliet would shower before walking to the beach. They were just completely covered in mud. And is there a reason the smoke cloud couldn't go over the fence the way Kate & the gang did last time? It flies doesn't it?
I would've at least thought Kate and Juliet would shower before walking to the beach. They were just completely covered in mud. And is there a reason the smoke cloud couldn't go over the fence the way Kate & the gang did last time? It flies doesn't it?
I don't think it does. Whatever it is, it's constantly forced to destroy trees and such in its wake.
Really, the smoke monster just got a little more dangerous, in my opinion. When it killed Ecko, I wasn't really impressed, as we'd seen it kill things before. But the Others quite OBVIOUSLY put up that defense perimeter, not to keep people out, but to keep the Smoke Monster out. That makes it exceedingly dangerous, IMO. And Juliet knows about it, that's why she was convinced that the sound barrier would keep it out.
And the light flashes are a little freaky, too. I don't recall it ever doing THAT before..... :nervous:
Oh well, next week, we get some answers. Or else, Sayid will torture the hot woman to death.
Wyldstaar
04/05/2007, 11:03
I would've at least thought Kate and Juliet would shower before walking to the beach. They were just completely covered in mud. And is there a reason the smoke cloud couldn't go over the fence the way Kate & the gang did last time? It flies doesn't it?
They probably will take a shower first. Jack's plan was to search the residences for supplies first, and then go back. The way the scene ended, it looked as though they were already going back without conducting the search, but I suspect that was just for dramatic effect.
As for The Beast being able to fly, I dunno. It certainly seems to be able to hover quite well, but I don't think it has the option of going to soaring. It is however, obviously capable of going high enough to go over the barrier. The cockpit of Flight 815 was higher than the barrier, and it snatched the pilot out of the window with no trouble. I think the writers just dropped the continuity ball on that one. It may also have been the props department. Maybe the barrier pylons were supposed to be taller.
hail_eris
04/05/2007, 11:56
As for The Beast being able to fly, I dunno. It certainly seems to be able to hover quite well, but I don't think it has the option of going to soaring.
The writers are using the pre-Icons rules. That means that Barriers are infinitely high and you can't cross them, even if you're soaring.
JackAssterson
04/05/2007, 12:18
The writers are using the pre-Icons rules. That means that Barriers are infinitely high and you can't cross them, even if you're soaring.
Well no wonder Mr. Echo and the Pilot died after getting caught. Perma no action after taxi. :sleep: Locke must've caught a break and had a judge who allowed pre-NAAT rulings.
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