LOST

[Wyldstaar]

The writers are using the pre-Icons rules. That means that Barriers are infinitely high and you can't cross them, even if you're soaring.

I see. Since the cockpit was only considered hindering terrain, The Beast was able to KO the pilot without any fuss.

[Thawmus]

I see. Since the cockpit was only considered hindering terrain, The Beast was able to KO the pilot without any fuss.

Yes and no. The Beast actually has Leap/Climb, and the pilot was at the edge of elevated terrain.

[ClownShoes]

Either that or the fence is made of Ariel Bafflers

[mike_houghton]

k... i didnt think it was possible but u guys have geeked out lost for me... i dont think i can watch anymore :P... leapclimb...
ben got mastermind and shape change?

[bootkneelee]

k... i didnt think it was possible but u guys have geeked out lost for me... i dont think i can watch anymore :P... leapclimb...
ben got mastermind and shape change?

Ben's not only got Mastermind and Shap Change, but Perplex, Probability Control, Mind Control, Willpower, Leadership and Posibbly Mystics {every one who crosses him ends up taking damage}

Last Nite's Episode was Great! Loved every part of it, and How cool is Hurley bestowing leadership onto Sawyer?

Sawyer's girl turned into a grifter, didn't see that coming {Anyone else remember her from the episode of NUMB3RS??}

I trust next week's episode will give us more answers than questions..... Hopefully...

[Thawmus]

Ben's not only got Mastermind and Shap Change, but Perplex, Probability Control, Mind Control, Willpower, Leadership and Posibbly Mystics {every one who crosses him ends up taking damage}

Last Nite's Episode was Great! Loved every part of it, and How cool is Hurley bestowing leadership onto Sawyer?

Sawyer's girl turned into a grifter, didn't see that coming {Anyone else remember her from the episode of NUMB3RS??}

I trust next week's episode will give us more answers than questions..... Hopefully...

It's too bad Sawyer's leadership is going to be taken from him as soon as he's gotten it, though.

They really could have been spending time on that for the last 5 filler episodes instead of throwing that in at the end of the "Camp without Jack" series.

[Superfro]

Wow....you nerds took a nerdy conversation and actually were able to make it nerdier.

NERDS!

[Wyldstaar]

Wow....you nerds took a nerdy conversation and actually were able to make it nerdier.

NERDS!

We're a bunch of guys on an internet message board about a superhero boardgame discussing one of our favorite cult TV shows. I think that's already reached the critical mass point on the nerdometer. Anything else that gets tacked on is pretty superfluous.

[absolutvt69]

While not exactly the same thing, didn't we see "flashes" when the Smoke Monster confronted Eko (when it showed pictures of people from Eko's past inside the monster). I like the theory that the monster was somehow taking pictures of Juliet's soul and mind. I definitely think it was after Juliet, not Kate. And I don't trust Juliet at all. At this point we know the Others will go to extreme measures to mess w/ people's heads or accomplish their goals. Even though it seems too obvious, I don't see how Juliet can't be a plant at this point. Plus Sayid doesn't trust her... and Sayid's been the best judge of character on the island thus far.

Also, hard to believe that it's only been 3 months in island time. Given that the plane crashed on Sept. 22nd 2004 and it's been about 3 months since then... that would put the current island date at around Dec. 22nd 2004. I think I remember reading somewhere that the producers wanted to incorporate a real-life major disaster into the Lost plot... what real-life disaster happened in late December of 2004 that could affect people living on a remote island?

[theanalogkid]

What could the Others hope to achive by having Juliet there besides as spy? They are better armed and better equipted than the survivers.They could have killed their leadership, but did not. I think she is legit, but I thought Jack was going to stay with the Others so I have been wrong before...

[Thawmus]

While not exactly the same thing, didn't we see "flashes" when the Smoke Monster confronted Eko (when it showed pictures of people from Eko's past inside the monster). I like the theory that the monster was somehow taking pictures of Juliet's soul and mind. I definitely think it was after Juliet, not Kate. And I don't trust Juliet at all. At this point we know the Others will go to extreme measures to mess w/ people's heads or accomplish their goals. Even though it seems too obvious, I don't see how Juliet can't be a plant at this point. Plus Sayid doesn't trust her... and Sayid's been the best judge of character on the island thus far.

Also, hard to believe that it's only been 3 months in island time. Given that the plane crashed on Sept. 22nd 2004 and it's been about 3 months since then... that would put the current island date at around Dec. 22nd 2004. I think I remember reading somewhere that the producers wanted to incorporate a real-life major disaster into the Lost plot... what real-life disaster happened in late December of 2004 that could affect people living on a remote island?


http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/services_policy/public/sigwxsum/sigw1204.shtml

This is everything that happened to Australia in December of 2004.

Actually, there's quite a bit of severity to some of it....but nothing Disasterous.

[Thawmus]

What could the Others hope to achive by having Juliet there besides as spy? They are better armed and better equipted than the survivers.They could have killed their leadership, but did not. I think she is legit, but I thought Jack was going to stay with the Others so I have been wrong before...

Well, let's be honest, here. We know absolutely nothing of any of their intentions. The only intentions we've been privy to are:

1. Ben wanted Jack for the sole reason of having surgery. And Sawyer/Kate was just along for coersion. Hurley was along to tell everyone not to go.

2. Ben wanted Locke to blow up the submarine.

That's about it.

[bootkneelee]

While not exactly the same thing, didn't we see "flashes" when the Smoke Monster confronted Eko (when it showed pictures of people from Eko's past inside the monster). I like the theory that the monster was somehow taking pictures of Juliet's soul and mind. I definitely think it was after Juliet, not Kate. And I don't trust Juliet at all. At this point we know the Others will go to extreme measures to mess w/ people's heads or accomplish their goals. Even though it seems too obvious, I don't see how Juliet can't be a plant at this point. Plus Sayid doesn't trust her... and Sayid's been the best judge of character on the island thus far.

Also, hard to believe that it's only been 3 months in island time. Given that the plane crashed on Sept. 22nd 2004 and it's been about 3 months since then... that would put the current island date at around Dec. 22nd 2004. I think I remember reading somewhere that the producers wanted to incorporate a real-life major disaster into the Lost plot... what real-life disaster happened in late December of 2004 that could affect people living on a remote island?

Description of Event
Following a 9.0 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Sumatra, a massive tsunami and tremors struck Indonesia and southern Thailand Lanka on 26th December 2004, killing over 104,000 people in Indonesia and over 5,000 in Thailand.

[absolutvt69]

Description of Event
Following a 9.0 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Sumatra, a massive tsunami and tremors struck Indonesia and southern Thailand Lanka on 26th December 2004, killing over 104,000 people in Indonesia and over 5,000 in Thailand.

This is what I was thinking of... although it seems like much of the damage came to the west of the earthquake (while the Lost island would most likely be to the east) there are many reports of countries much farther away seeing a rise in the tides and such. On a small remote island this could definitely be a problem, especially since in theory the Lost island is not THAT far away from where the earthquake hit. I'm no expert but it definitely seem plausible.

[bootkneelee]

This is what I was thinking of... although it seems like much of the damage came to the west of the earthquake (while the Lost island would most likely be to the east) there are many reports of countries much farther away seeing a rise in the tides and such. On a small remote island this could definitely be a problem, especially since in theory the Lost island is not THAT far away from where the earthquake hit. I'm no expert but it definitely seem plausible.

FACTS SCHMACKS! They can say they are affected just because...heck, they can say that something on the Island caused the Tsunami....it's the magic of TV!!!!

[cattmoe]

It's too bad Sawyer's leadership is going to be taken from him as soon as he's gotten it, though.

They really could have been spending time on that for the last 5 filler episodes instead of throwing that in at the end of the "Camp without Jack" series.

This occurred to me too - although it potentially could be interesting. What if Sawyer actually decides he wants this role as a leader and decides to try to keep it?

[theanalogkid]

I am not saying she is not a spy, I just hope she is not. It is too obvious. And did not Ben use Locke only because Locke showed up gift wrapped to him?

[Thawmus]

I am not saying she is not a spy, I just hope she is not. It is too obvious. And did not Ben use Locke only because Locke showed up gift wrapped to him?

Well, so he says. He also claims that Jack was gift wrapped to him.

That's twice now that he's indicated that "all hope was lost", but he makes it seem as if his luck is just continually turning out for the better. Well, given that he can make men from people's pasts pop out of closets, know everything about someone's history, and manipulate people to no end, let's just say that I don't believe in chance as far as the guy's concerned.


I do agree that Juliet better not be a spy. At least, I hope not. And I hope Kate decides to give up on Jack. She still hasn't figured out yet that she really did break his heart. I mean, when she cried to him and apologized, he didn't even seem to be listening. Instead, he wanted to know what happened to Juliet.

[theanalogkid]

True on both accounts, Thawmus. Why not use the closet to fix whatever the pulse broke?

[VelvetGuru9]

By the way...this confused to me to no end. Huh? Who are the rest???
I worded that wrong, the anagram is for just two of our Losties; Sawyer and Locke. It puts Locke's dad as the original Sawyer, tying those two (Sawyer and Locke) together in the most improbable way. I have a feeling Sawyer finds out this season that the man he went to Australia to kill is there and that he finds this out in the final episode of the season.

[anonym0use]

Any thoughts as to why they handcuffed Juliet and Kate and left them out in the jungle when Jack and Sayid (sp?) got left in the houses? Seems a little odd, if you ask me.

[anonym0use]

Also,

Has anyone ever noticed a connection between the weather and the smoke monster, or at least the weather and "bad things" happening?

Consider:

Shannon got shot during a downpour.
Sawyer shot the Shrimp-hut dude during a downpour.
The battle with Ethan occurred during a downpour - IIRC Ethan was shot by Charlie.

I know there's more (when we atched season 1 on dvd I noticed more, just never thought to nit-pick and jot everything down): feel free to chime in if you can think of others.

During last week's episode when Juliet said "it's going to rain" my wife looked at me and said "uh-oh, this can't be good" and sure enough here comes the smoke predator - who I think was after Juliet, though I can't be sure.

At any rate, IMO there's a definate correlation between weather and island events, although it may be more symbolic writing, I'm starting to think it also plays a factor in the smoke predator.

[theanalogkid]

All major events take place during the rain. They have since Season 1

[mike_houghton]

didnt julz say she was the one to lock them up out there in the jungle.
and a side note
who has seen Grindhouse? Who thinks Sayid needs to start doing that to the others ? You know what I am talking about ;)

[anonym0use]

didnt julz say she was the one to lock them up out there in the jungle.
and a side note
who has seen Grindhouse? Who thinks Sayid needs to start doing that to the others ? You know what I am talking about ;)


I guess that makes sense... but then I have to believe that "Julz" carried Kate all that way on her own - which is a little far fetched...

[Thawmus]

didnt julz say she was the one to lock them up out there in the jungle.

No, she admitted to lying about the key. She was taken out into the jungle, and was handcuffed, but she had a key for unlocking it. And she didn't say anything about it, because she was confused about why she was abandoned, and didn't want to be abandoned by Kate as well.


In the case where she would have had any control over the matter, she would have run back to camp and handcuffed herself to Jack.

[cattmoe]

No, she admitted to lying about the key. She was taken out into the jungle, and was handcuffed, but she had a key for unlocking it. And she didn't say anything about it, because she was confused about why she was abandoned, and didn't want to be abandoned by Kate as well.


In the case where she would have had any control over the matter, she would have run back to camp and handcuffed herself to Jack.

I don't think so... the impression I got was that they all got gassed and left in the others camp. Juliet woke up first and realized that she had been abandoned, and Kate was the first person she saw. She didn't know Jack and Sayid were still there, and she knew Kate would wake up soon and wouldn't believe her, so she dragged her out to the jungle and did the handcuff thing so Kate would think she had been trapped by the others and not abandon her.

A bit of a stretch, if you ask me, but that's what I thought happened....

[mike_houghton]

yey why would the others drug them... take those two out in the woods and leave them handcuffed? And Julz just happens to have a key? No I think she set the whole thing with her and Kate up as well... doesnt explain how she carried Kate out there though?

[ReZourceman]

What episode are you guys upto now? Please tell me asap.

Ive seen halfway through Episode 7...and got bored.

Heroes > Everything.

[ReZourceman]

doesnt explain

This explains LOST from head to toe.

I get INFURIATED with it...it NEVER EVER explains ANYTHING. Dont you guys get annoyed with it. Heroes is so refreshing because it actually RESOLVES plot details.

LOST could learn a lot from Heroes.

[Stepper79]

This explains LOST from head to toe.

I get INFURIATED with it...it NEVER EVER explains ANYTHING. Dont you guys get annoyed with it. Heroes is so refreshing because it actually RESOLVES plot details.

LOST could learn a lot from Heroes.


Actually Heroes learned alot about what NOT to do from Lost. They have said so in many interviews

[ReZourceman]

If only LOST could learn from their own mistakes, huh. Heh heh.

[absolutvt69]

This explains LOST from head to toe.

I get INFURIATED with it...it NEVER EVER explains ANYTHING. Dont you guys get annoyed with it. Heroes is so refreshing because it actually RESOLVES plot details.

LOST could learn a lot from Heroes.

Heroes is in its first season... remember the first season of Lost?? I like Heroes but I think we need to wait to see how the 3rd season looks before we compare it to the 3rd season of Lost. I think it's just hard for any show to maintain enormous momentum w/o alienating some of its viewers. If they change things then some people will say it's too different than the "classic episodes", if they don't change things then some people will say it's "gotten stale". Oh and you can guarantee there will always be at least one person talking about how the show has "jumped the shark".

[mike_houghton]

first season of lost versus first season of heroes is now contest... they didnt reveal #### that first season of lost. Thats why I like Heroes better, but damn if that first season of Lost didnt keep me watching to try to figure out what was going on. Now though it kinda feels like the reveals they are getting around too arent worth it.

[ReZourceman]

Heroes is in its first season... remember the first season of Lost?? I like Heroes but I think we need to wait to see how the 3rd season looks before we compare it to the 3rd season of Lost. I think it's just hard for any show to maintain enormous momentum w/o alienating some of its viewers. If they change things then some people will say it's too different than the "classic episodes", if they don't change things then some people will say it's "gotten stale". Oh and you can guarantee there will always be at least one person talking about how the show has "jumped the shark".

You do have a good point, however if I compare where Im upto now in Prison Break Season 2 (About episode 13 ish) the last episode I saw was JAW DROPPINGLY awesome...I only felt that way about 1 episode in the whole of LOST season 2 (The Lockedown one)

I guess we'll see. I just have a huge problem with what LOST have done, in that they literally have done so much weird stuff, that cannot be explained. At all.

[anonym0use]

I haven't bothered with Heroes yet, although I hear good things about it, for now, I'm going to wait and watch it. I can only invest so much time in a show, especially a serial that could easily take a nose dive thanks to poor writing. Plus "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" seems like a really, really corny catchphrase (not that LOST isn't corny in its own way).

Lost came first however, and I got wrapped up in it. I have a lot of "If's" with Lost:

If they introduce another character, make me watch 5 episodes to figure out their backstory, then kill the character off, I'm out.

If Lost doesn't end by season 4 or 5 I'm likely to drop out.

I'll probably take the same approach with Heroes.

I like to have an end to my stories, and wish more shows would take a 5 year & out approach ( I mean that loosely of course), with the key example being X-files that went all to pot circa season 7.

[absolutvt69]

The problem w/ Lost is that when they solve the "big mystery" the show is pretty much over. It's kind of like Gilligan's Island... once the overall plot of being stranded on the island is gone, the show is gone as well. So you've got the natural plot which is finite going against the nature of TV shows which is to stay on the air for as long as possible. I think Lost has become conflicted over whether it wants to answer questions (and end sooner rather than later) or stretch out the series (which would mean it would run longer but could dilute the quality of the story). Personally I'd rather see it go out on its own terms rather than limp into the finish... sort of like a great athlete who doesn't retire when he should and ends up being a shell of his former self.

[Thawmus]

Haven't they already decreed it to be 4 seasons?

[Droppin Deuces]

IIRC, they (the producers and writers) have stated they have a plan in place to wrap up the show and that it should take 1 or maybe 2 seasons. In regards to Heroes vs. Lost, I look at them as two different ways to please an audience. One audience likes questions answered quickly while another audience likes to think about things and theorize. I happen to like Heroes more because I like my answers in a timely fashion, but I still enjoy watching Lost.

[Thawmus]

IIRC, they (the producers and writers) have stated they have a plan in place to wrap up the show and that it should take 1 or maybe 2 seasons. In regards to Heroes vs. Lost, I look at them as two different ways to please an audience. One audience likes questions answered quickly while another audience likes to think about things and theorize. I happen to like Heroes more because I like my answers in a timely fashion, but I still enjoy watching Lost.

I agree. Lost lets my imagination go wild, instead of having it confined. And it develops characters better than any other show on the planet.

Heroes answers questions a little TOO quickly for my taste. If they're going to let this much be made a mystery, and remove the shrouds of mystery this quickly, I'd almost rather there not be a mystery at all. I like Heroes a lot, but I actually wish they weren't making a mystery out of it at all. I was looking for a show that showed superpowers in the real world, and how people react to that. Including when villians and heroes fight. Instead, this has kind of been an Urban Lost, which I don't really enjoy as much.

[VelvetGuru9]

Tonight is a Juliet-centric episode – the BEST episode of the season. If you want answers, this episode is loaded full of them.

These aren't great spoilers, but this guy is usually right on the money.

Does Juliet know stuff Jack doesn’t know?
Jack claims not to have answers. “After you left, I made a deal with them,” Jack tells Kate. “If I took care of Ben they’d let me off the island. I just kept my head down, did what I was supposed to, didn’t ask any questions.”

Is finding Locke the new number-one item on the 815ers’ agenda?
Locke’s name isn't even mentioned this week. Claire’s medical crisis is dire.

Who’s Goodwin again?
Goodwin is the Other Ana Lucia killed in “The Other 48 Days.” He also had a cameo early in the season-three premiere. We see a whole new side to him this week. (Goodwin is played by Brett Cullen, who also played VP candidate Gov. Ray Sullivan on “The West Wing” and weaselly Walt Riggins on “Friday Night Lights.”

Jack, Juliet, Kate and Sayid are back already? How many minutes into the episode do Jack and Hurley hug?
Minute 15 of the 42.

Any sign of Locke or Ben?
Ben appears in the flashbacks. Locke sits the episode out.

Does Charlie die this week?
He does not. Remember please the rumored final flashback batting order:
3.16 Juliet Burke
3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 Jack Shephard
3.20 Karen & Gerald DeGroot
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22-23 Benjamin Linus

What else is ABC not telling us?
We learn a lot about what’s been going on with Claire and a lot about what’s going on with Juliet, and at least two very important details about Dharma Island. And we learn definitively which Stephen King novel was being discussed at book club.

What’s good?
* The great Elizabeth Mitchell.
* The great Nestor “Batmanuel” Carbonell.
* The many exciting reveals.
* “Well, we’ll do out best.”
* “I think your research is really gonna have a major impact on us.”
* “Why were you fine with those things?”
* Benjamin Linus, who appears on the dock from nowhere.
* James Ford, finally behaving like a human being.
* Hurley’s sit-down with Juliet generally and “We buried him over there” in particular.
* “She’ll be dead before then.”
* “Because I did it to her.”
* The scene in Ben’s kitchen.
* The return of the 815.
* The return of Mikhail.
* “Do you trust me?”
* “I know why you want me to go there.”
* “Downtown.”
* Much more.

What’s not so good?
We don’t learn why Kate can climb over an Others Fence but Smokezilla can’t. Or why a novice like Hurley can so effortlessly hoodwink master con man Sawyer.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“See you in a week.”

[Stepper79]

I see someone else is visiting Aint it cool

[absolutvt69]

From what I've read we'll be getting some good episodes tonight and throughout the rest of the season. The teaser I read said tonight's ending was "killer". Don't know if that means literally or not...

[Magnito]

I kinda liked tonights episode. The Juliet backstory was nice as now we understand her a little more.

[theanalogkid]

Watching this episode was like reading the Incartations of Immortality series by Piers Anthony. The first 5 books Satan is shown as the bad guy. Then in his own book, you everything from Satan's POV and realize he and his motives are not that bad. Still, I did not like the ending. I knew she was not on the up and up, I was hoping she was truely Lost.

[CapSpalding]

Interesting episode. I was hoping against hope that Juliet was on the level, even in the face of the ridiculous "I-handcuffed-myself-to-you-just-because" story. Heck, I am still hoping against hope that she will eventually screw over Ben.

By the way, I read the above spoilers. What I want to know is exactly how the heck are they going to pull off the 3.20 flashback? And no Rose/Bernard flashback this season? Is Rose still even on the island?

[T'Chaka]

They're losing me again with this Juliet episode.

If you're gonna make it up as you go along, where are the Nazis, time travelers, dinosaurs, and the freakin' talking gorillas with guns?!

Blecch. :ermm:

[Grinner]

I saw all of the ending coming except for the last line, which made it for me :grin:

Watching this episode was like reading the Incartations of Immortality series by Piers Anthony. The first 5 books Satan is shown as the bad guy. Then in his own book, you everything from Satan's POV and realize he and his motives are not that bad.

Nice analogy. It's been too long since I read those. I'm going to have go pull 'em off the bookshelf and re-read them.

[VelvetGuru9]

I thoroughly enjoyed last night's episode. This just goes to show you that we should always listen to ayid.

:sleep: :sleep: Kurt Vonnegut passed away yesterday... :sleep: :sleep:

[Thawmus]

Is it just me, or did Elizabeth, impossibly, get HOTTER since this episode?

[AZS]

Towards the end of the episode my girlfriend says to me..

"What if Ben lied about Julliette's sister's cancer in the first place?"

!!!

Seriously, what if Ben lied about the sister's cancer coming back so he could manipulate Julliette into staying. Ben could mysteriously 'cure' it at any time because it never existed.

That seems like a very Ben thing to do.


Also, as to Julliette's loyalty, I honestly think she's going to turn and support the Losties. From a writer's POV, the only reason to show the scene at the end is to establish that she's a double agent early on, so when she turns it has significance.
Typically (and especially on lost), we should have been left wondering if she's being straight with Jack or not, and then 5 episodes later we'll learn (in flashback) that she was lying. But now being told that she's supposed to be lying, the 'twist' will be when she turns around and actually supports them.

At least that's my take.

[Wyldstaar]

Towards the end of the episode my girlfriend says to me..

"What if Ben lied about Julliette's sister's cancer in the first place?"

!!!

Seriously, what if Ben lied about the sister's cancer coming back so he could manipulate Julliette into staying. Ben could mysteriously 'cure' it at any time because it never existed.

That seems like a very Ben thing to do.

While I agree that it's a very Ben sort of tactic, it wouldn't work with Juliette. We have to remember that she's not only a doctor, but a doc that focused her entire attention towards helping her sister overcome the damage done to her reproductive system by cancer and chemotherapy. If the medical records that Ben gave Juliette were faked, she would have been able to tell. She was far too intimately involved in her sister's case to be fooled, and Ben would know that.

[VelvetGuru9]

Juliet's downward spiral into the Island of Fallen Souls began in Oregon, on the vast, tightly guarded campus of Mittelos Bioscience, the apparently Others-backed firm with the cryptic anagram name (Mittelos = Lost Time) that recruited the brilliant fertility doc in the episode ''Not in Portland.'' We were needlessly informed through conspicuous chatter that Mittelos has its own airfield, which made me think, ''Why? What else might one find in Mittelos' big backyard? A large lake with an island, perhaps?''

Juliet's neo-Eden seduction took place in the lobby of Mittelos' aviation division, Herarat, which is an anagram for Earhart, as in Amelia Earhart, the aviator who went famously missing in 1937. (For those who prefer more quantum mechanics in your Lost theories, Herarat Aviation also anagrams into ''a variation Earth.'')

[absolutvt69]

Seems like they're setting Juliet up to turn on Ben. It seems way too easy and simple that she's just a spy. I think she'll end up siding with Jack because of her feelings for him and his trust in her. And I agree, Juliet looked especially good in this episode...

I thought it was a good, not great episode. The flashbacks were interesting as it gave us more insight to Juliet, Ben and the Others as a whole. Interesting that Juliet was apparently involved with Goodwin who Ana-Lucia killed.

And I've heard that we'll see Rose and Bernard before the season is over.

[doctor_x]

I knew Julliette was playing Jack like a fiddle and that she was a plant by the Other's. Last nite confirmed it.

If Jullieete wants off the island bad enough, she may become another Michael.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that Ben has been manipulating/planning this whole scenario out the entire time. Possibly from the moment he got "caught" by the french woman and gave to the survivors.

His operation of course was real, but his manipulations like Jack's supposed "choice" in performing it-Julliette's feigned innocence and playing a "victim" to gain jack's trust, etc.

I think he engineered Julliett'es supposed death plot as well to manipulate Jack. I don't think he saw coming or expected Jack to do what he did during the operation and hold him hostage, but Ben recovered quickly and came up with a counter plan with Julliette during the time they were alone in the operating room after Ben woke up from lack of enough anesthesia.

Why Julliette killed that guy that wanted to kill Sawyer is beyond me, but I think it's all been engineered by Ben as well, including her supposed punishment after killing a fellow Other.

Ben is like the devil himself-very devious and cunning.

I will even say he is TOTALLY manipulating Julliette for his own means to his own ends. Whatever they may be.

I like seeing the back story of what was happening with the Other's as the survivors crashed on the island.

I see Ben dying unexpectedly by someone's hand.
If Julliette lives long enough it may even be her.

Ben's superiority complex will blind him and make him careless/overconfident and will make him underestimate his opponants.

Ben's days are #'d...someone's gonna come after him and his wits won't do it for him then.

I think Kate may kill Julliette.
It would be ironic if it had to be Jack.

[Droppin Deuces]

I agree with AZS in regards to Juliet being shown as the bad guy so the reveal will be shocking when she helps out the Losties. I will second the thought that Thawmus had on Juliet. This was one of the better episodes this season and the first time they have put together a good string of episodes. It seemed like they were going up in down in quality there for a while but now they have been consistently good. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to Locke. One thought I had while Claire was sick was that we would finally see what Rousseau (sp?) was talking about with her people getting sick. I guess that will be addressed later (who knows with this show). I was just excited that one of my questions from the first season might be answered but, no dice.

[VelvetGuru9]

and speaking of Rousseau, where has she been? She must have followed Ben and Locke to wherever it was they were going. She does have that connection with Sayid (who has never ever questioned her motives like he does to everyone else that he suspects of lying) and may come back to the beach camp to show him the way to find Ben and his group. I'm sure we'll find out more about her by the season finale.

[anonym0use]

If Jullieete wants off the island bad enough, she may become another Michael.

What freaks me out is that Jack said basically (and I'm paraphrasing): "I saw the look in Juliet's eyes, I saw that she wants to get off this island so bad that she'd stop at nothing to do it..."

Nothing means NOTHING, Jack. It mean's she'd gladly knife you in the ribs if that's what it took. Why is Jack such an ### sometimes?


I see Ben dying unexpectedly by someone's hand.


My Money's on Russeau (Sp?). Although, a Hulked out Hurley would be a (tragic) surprise.

[Thawmus]

What freaks me out is that Jack said basically (and I'm paraphrasing): "I saw the look in Juliet's eyes, I saw that she wants to get off this island so bad that she'd stop at nothing to do it..."

Nothing means NOTHING, Jack. It mean's she'd gladly knife you in the ribs if that's what it took. Why is Jack such an ### sometimes?

I agree. It's like.....did we not go down this road already? Was Michael not enough of a lesson? Is having two bodies buried in the ground not enough? Or the week and a half that you spent watching your friends get tortured by THEM?

[Wyldstaar]

LOST- The RPG (http://www.pvponline.com/article/3257/wed-apr-11)

[theanalogkid]

Anyone think Sayid was too wussy in this episode? No wonder the Republican guard folded like cheap paper, first he was cowed by a doctor, then a woman. I cannot wait to see him reassert himself.

[mike_houghton]

Anyone think Sayid was too wussy in this episode? No wonder the Republican guard folded like cheap paper, first he was cowed by a doctor, then a woman. I cannot wait to see him reassert himself.
Sayid knows when to strike and when to let it go so to speak. He knew it would have led to nowhere with Jack defend Julz, He knew the situation with Claire was a lot more dire then he thought. He doesnt seem the type to let her little revelations about him and Sawyer bother him

[theanalogkid]

I hope so, Mike. I hope Sayid is shown keeping a VERY close eye on her.

[ClownShoes]

and speaking of Rousseau, where has she been? She must have followed Ben and Locke to wherever it was they were going. She does have that connection with Sayid (who has never ever questioned her motives like he does to everyone else that he suspects of lying) and may come back to the beach camp to show him the way to find Ben and his group. I'm sure we'll find out more about her by the season finale.

I'd like to see a Rousseau flashback episode. And not flashbacks of her while the Losties were on the sland. I want to see her dealing with life on the island over the years; the kidnapping of her daughter, maybe encountering polar bears and or the smoke cloud, sending out her distress call, her and her group arriving on the island, etc. It seems more interesting to me than yet another Jack flashback at this point.

[theanalogkid]

Good episode tonight. How many lives does Charlie have?

[Captain Beyond]

I'd like to see a Rousseau flashback episode. And not flashbacks of her while the Losties were on the sland. I want to see her dealing with life on the island over the years; the kidnapping of her daughter, maybe encountering polar bears and or the smoke cloud, sending out her distress call, her and her group arriving on the island, etc. It seems more interesting to me than yet another Jack flashback at this point.

Would there be a way to make her look younger? She was there a long time.

[TKMandroid]

Good episode tonight. How many lives does Charlie have?

Enough.:noid: As long as Desmond is around.:nervous:

[cattmoe]

Did anybody notice that the weird lady from Desmond's first flashbacks was in the photo on the head monk's desk? And is it just me or is the girl who fell out fell out teh helicopter nadia, Sayid's girlfriend?

[ReZourceman]

Who wants to PM me a summary of what has happened since Jack went schizo in surgery with the walkie talkies (Episode 6)?

Rep to whoever does so.

[hail_eris]

Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/category_1197.html) is your friend. You get detailed recaps with all the snarky comments you'd expect from the gang here.

[ReZourceman]

Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/category_1197.html) is your friend. You get detailed recaps with all the snarky comments you'd expect from the gang here.

Awesome thanks.

[Thawmus]

That was a pretty good episode. I was afraid that this was it for Charlie, and that Desmond would sacrifice him for a chance to get Penny back, but Des has got too good of a heart to let that happen.

Desmond = heartbeat for Lost.

[Stepper79]

well Charlie still has 4 episodes this year in which to die - IS everyone aware that next season Lost will follow the 24 episode formula and begin in Jan and run complete thru the end of the season, No breaks no repeats.


Also here is an interesting article about the truth behind Niki and Paulo death and why it happened the way it did

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

[ReZourceman]

And from reading the episode summaries, it sounds as flacid, worn out and boring as the rest of the season was.

[Thawmus]

well Charlie still has 4 episodes this year in which to die - IS everyone aware that next season Lost will follow the 24 episode formula and begin in Jan and run complete thru the end of the season, No breaks no repeats.


Also here is an interesting article about the truth behind Niki and Paulo death and why it happened the way it did

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

NOOOOOOes!!! That's gonna be such an excessively long wait for me! :(

[AZS]

Did anybody notice that the weird lady from Desmond's first flashbacks was in the photo on the head monk's desk? And is it just me or is the girl who fell out fell out teh helicopter nadia, Sayid's girlfriend?I did notice the picture on the Monk's desk. Mostly because the camera intentionally panned over to it. I rewound and watched it twice, and thought it could be the same woman who 'sold' him the ring in his last flashback, but couldn't be sure from the blurry image.

As for the parachute girl being Sayid's GF, I don't think so. She looked definitively asian, not middle eastern. I don't think she's someone we've seen before. (But I don't always remember all the details.)

I thought it was a good episode. Loved the pity sex for Sawyer.


BTW, Flash would totally kick Superman's butt in a foot race. No question.

[Stepper79]

I did notice the picture on the Monk's desk. Mostly because the camera intentionally panned over to it. I rewound and watched it twice, and thought it could be the same woman who 'sold' him the ring in his last flashback, but couldn't be sure from the blurry image.

As for the parachute girl being Sayid's GF, I don't think so. She looked definitively asian, not middle eastern. I don't think she's someone we've seen before. (But I don't always remember all the details.)

I thought it was a good episode. Loved the pity sex for Sawyer.


BTW, Flash would totally kick Superman's butt in a foot race. No question.


I think the parachute girl was Indian.

And yes I forgot about the picture but I could see it clear as day (thanks HD) and it was the woman who sold Desmond the ring

[ReZourceman]

The thing with "Gasp, X is in Xs flashback and X appears in X when afformentioned X is supposed to be dead" is that they never resolve or explain it.

[doctor_x]

I could have sworn the gal in the parachute said, "Desmond" after he took her helmet off.

And where did that book come from that had his and penny's picture in it?

[Droppin Deuces]

I thought this was a good episode but not great. I think Desmond and his flashback episodes are really carrying the show right now. Mainly because they seem to be centering the show around his character after it seems most people have cooled on Jack and his storyline. At least that's my opinion. They can only beat his "I'm the leader that doesn't want to be the leader" storyline into our heads so much longer that we stop watching eventually. I thought that Desmond was going to sacrifice Charlie but it was good that he didn't. It's nice to see someone on the island that isn't so self-serving like Michael and all the stuff he did for Walt.

[Thawmus]

The thing with "Gasp, X is in Xs flashback and X appears in X when afformentioned X is supposed to be dead" is that they never resolve or explain it.

So?

For one, they've already said that they're GOING to this season (at least I think it was this season...).

For two, I'm not really in a hurry to have mysteries solved. I'm in a hurry to see plot develop more, instead of wasting 16 episodes on seeing Kate cry, Sawyer glower, Hurley make funny faces, and Charlie be an attention ##### around Claire.

But there is a significant difference.

[ReZourceman]

So?

So....watch Heroes. :cheeky:

[Superfro]

So....watch Heroes. :cheeky:

It's been on hiatus here in the states, returning next week. Although it has plenty of issues in it's own right as well. :noid:

[JackAssterson]

Although it has plenty of issues in it's own right as well.

Something like 28 of 'em on the NBC site.

[Thawmus]

I could have sworn the gal in the parachute said, "Desmond" after he took her helmet off.

And where did that book come from that had his and penny's picture in it?


A few theories right off the bat:

1. As you may remember from the season 2 finale, some Russians called Mrs. Whitmore and said, "We found him."

2. Penny had told Desmond that, "Enough money and determination, and you can find anyone."

3. The Whitmore family is in bed with the Hanso Foundation. We still don't know how exactly, but we do know that they are closely tied to one another. Considering how much Penny loves Desmond, and Desmond loves Penny, I would NOT put it past her to have found the Island, and sent a team to rescue Desmond specifically.

4. The picture came back with him when he had the enormous flashbacks after the hatch exploded. He was holding onto the picture, and it kinda.....teleported with him. I believe that the picture remained in the real world, and somehow it was duplicated because he carried it back with him.

5. The girl that was parachuting was bringing the picture with her to prove to Desmond that she was affiliated with Penny. She also knew the face of Desmond well enough that she could recognize him after a significant concussion inducing injury.




I think Whitmore construction has landed, folks. And they're not leaving without good ol' Dezzy.

[ReZourceman]

It's been on hiatus here in the states, returning next week. Although it has plenty of issues in it's own right as well. :noid:

1) No duh...Im counting the days.
2) Go watch re-runs...or Tivo....or...bit torrents.
3) Im suprised Ive kept your attention this long.
4) What issues? Heroes is flawless, and my judgement is too clouded to acknowledge otherwise.

[Thawmus]

So....watch Heroes. :cheeky:

I do, and it's a radically different show. A different cup of tea, if you will. So if you prefer that, and not this, then watch Heroes, and quit trolling in this thread.

Thanks in advance. :cheeky:

[Superfro]

1) No duh...Im counting the days.
2) Go watch re-runs...or Tivo....or...bit torrents.
3) Im suprised Ive kept your attention this long.
4) What issues? Heroes is flawless, and my judgement is too clouded to acknowledge otherwise.

I stopped reading after 1).

[JackAssterson]

Not sure WHO the landing lady on the last episode was, but yup, she definately said "Desmond".

[ReZourceman]

Thanks in advance. :cheeky:

*Doesnt leave*

Haha! I have made you a liar!





Technically.

[ReZourceman]

I stopped reading after 1).

Well, Id like an answer to number 4, whether in this thread or a more suitable one. Thankxors.

[cattmoe]

Well, Id like an answer to number 4, whether in this thread or a more suitable one. Thankxors.

Dude - seriously. If I wanted talk about Heroes, I'd be in a Heroes thread. I'm with Thawmus, they're two different shows, not necessarily "better" or "worse". And does it even really matter? It's not like you can't just watch both.....:rolleyes:

Interesting article - I'm glad they made the decision to handle Nikki/Paulo the way they did. I know I certainly wouldn't have wanted to watch another 3-4 episodes centered on them. Honestly, Ithink it's played out very similar to season 2 - started out interesting, lulled quite a bit in the middle, and now is really picking up. The difference is that break - last year we didn't have to wait several months for a lull.

Also, I had almost been convinced that the island was in a different dimension or something that made it impossible to get teherr by normal means - but then there was the helicopter - man I just have no clue... :laugh:

[ReZourceman]

Dude - seriously. If I wanted talk about Heroes, I'd be in a Heroes thread. I'm with Thawmus, they're two different shows, not necessarily "better" or "worse". And does it even really matter? It's not like you can't just watch both.....:rolleyes:

What? I just cleared that up,...I asked if Fro' could answer may question either in here or a more suitable thread.

Hinting to the Heroes thread. :ermm:

[Superfro]

Hinting to the Heroes thread. :ermm:

Well...it's been so long since the show's been on I can't even remember the parts I hate. I'm sure I'll have some input after next Monday over on that thread though. :p

[Captain Beyond]

well Charlie still has 4 episodes this year in which to die - IS everyone aware that next season Lost will follow the 24 episode formula and begin in Jan and run complete thru the end of the season, No breaks no repeats.


Also here is an interesting article about the truth behind Niki and Paulo death and why it happened the way it did

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

I don't know why everybody reacted so negatively to Nikki and Paulo, it only made sense for some of the other survivors to step up to the plate and get more involved.

[hail_eris]

I don't know why everybody reacted so negatively to Nikki and Paulo, it only made sense for some of the other survivors to step up to the plate and get more involved.
Yeah, but it was the totally contrived, dare I say "Poochie," way they were introduced that raised eyebrows. Their abrupt demise surprised just about no one.

[Thawmus]

Yeah, but it was the totally contrived, dare I say "Poochie," way they were introduced that raised eyebrows. Their abrupt demise surprised just about no one.

And it was still pointless to kill them, though. Frankly, they could have gotten off with letting them fade into the background, like they did with Rose and Bernard. It would have saved us another episode of garbage that we don't care about while we're waiting for stuff to happen on the OTHER side of the island.

[Thawmus]

I don't know why everybody reacted so negatively to Nikki and Paulo, it only made sense for some of the other survivors to step up to the plate and get more involved.

It made sense, but we invested time and interest in characters that were introduced for the first time in season 2 as well, and look at what's happened to all of them.

Libby? Shot.

Ana Lucia? Shot, but we enjoyed it.

Ecko? Killed by smoke monster

Bernard? Faded into the background with his wife.

The producers and writers of lost have kinda taught us a hard-learned lesson about new characters on the show already, so when we see two more pop up, we're ready for them to be killed at any moment, and we're not going to invest any time or interest in them. Outside of saying that Nikki is hot.

[Superfro]

And it was still pointless to kill them, though. Frankly, they could have gotten off with letting them fade into the background, like they did with Rose and Bernard. It would have saved us another episode of garbage that we don't care about while we're waiting for stuff to happen on the OTHER side of the island.

It's called stretching. And that's something I've felt like the show has been doing most of the season. Same thing happened for the first part of Season 2. I'm hoping the non stop nature of Season 4 will go towards making that neccessary evil a little less impacting.

[doctor_x]

It made sense, but we invested time and interest in characters that were introduced for the first time in season 2 as well, and look at what's happened to all of them.

Libby? Shot.

Ana Lucia? Shot, but we enjoyed it.

Ecko? Killed by smoke monster

Bernard? Faded into the background with his wife.

The producers and writers of lost have kinda taught us a hard-learned lesson about new characters on the show already, so when we see two more pop up, we're ready for them to be killed at any moment, and we're not going to invest any time or interest in them. Outside of saying that Nikki is hot.


Ecko was my fave.

I read that the actor who played him wanted off the show to pursue directing.

[Captain Beyond]

I think they're stuck in the middle here. ABC wants the show to last a long time as long as it gets good ratings. The creators probably weren't expecting it to be such a hit and were targeting for a three or four seasons. Now they have to do a fast shuffle while trying to keep everybody happy. Niki and Paulo died to keep the fans happy. They weren't supposed to die so soon.

[absolutvt69]

Last night's episode was good, not great. Solid and Desmond is always an interesting character. I liked the overall "Desmond is a coward" theme. He ran from his wife-to-be. He ran from Penny. And he ran from fate when he had a chance to let Charlie die... On one hand you applaud him for putting Charlie before his own desires. On the other hand, you think about the whole "What if it was a test like when Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac" thing and it just adds to the "Desmond can't make the tough decisions and commitments" theme. I enjoyed the banter between the characters as well, especially the argument about Superman and Flash. So does anyone think that up until Desmond saved Charlie's life, it was Penny underneath that helmet? Also of note, the book that they found (Catch-22, which in and of itself is a whole discussion) was apparently in Portuguese which was supposedly the language the men in the arctic were speaking at the end of season 2 when they "found" Desmond. I'd say the best bet is that Penny has sent people out to search for Desmond and this woman is one of those people. BTW, her name is Naomi.

[cattmoe]

So does anyone think that up until Desmond saved Charlie's life, it was Penny underneath that helmet? Also of note, the book that they found (Catch-22, which in and of itself is a whole discussion) was apparently in Portuguese which was supposedly the language the men in the arctic were speaking at the end of season 2 when they "found" Desmond. I'd say the best bet is that Penny has sent people out to search for Desmond and this woman is one of those people. BTW, her name is Naomi.

Interesting theory, hadn't even occurred to me. How do you know her name?

[szude]

So does anyone think that up until Desmond saved Charlie's life, it was Penny underneath that helmet?

I thought that too in a Schoedinger's cat sorta way. The writers were definitely leading you to think that, with all the "happens exactly like this" talk. But I don't know how they can make a cool AHA moment out of it since they can't really convey that.

[Grinner]

BTW, Flash would totally kick Superman's butt in a foot race. No question.

Y'know, my wife looked over at me and said, "You and your friends actually have debates like that, don't you?" :laugh:

[absolutvt69]

Interesting theory, hadn't even occurred to me. How do you know her name?

I read it in the recap on Entertainment Weekly. Those recaps are good but they make my head hurt. I looked up some of the time stuff that he mentioned but it was over my head.

[Wyldstaar]

I thought that too in a Schoedinger's cat sorta way.

I'm picturing in my head, hundreds of people reading this line and going straight to wikipedia.

[theanalogkid]

Have faith, Wyldstaar. Only the younger ones I bet.

[szude]

I'm picturing in my head, hundreds of people reading this line and going straight to wikipedia.

Nah, they're probably just thinking 'what's that got to do with that piano player's cat?' ....

[Thawmus]

Have faith, Wyldstaar. Only the younger ones I bet.

Yeah, I'm 23, and I know what it means.

[theanalogkid]

I meant teenagers and below, Thawmus. I think most Realmers are well educated.

[MSU]

I actually really liked this episode but kinda knew that Charlie still has some life into him. And I think that was Penny's search and rescue team.

Desmond is SO not carrying the show for me...Juliet is my favorite right now. I think the actress is doing such a good job of the "do I hate her or do I like her" with her character.

[Thawmus]

I actually really liked this episode but kinda knew that Charlie still has some life into him. And I think that was Penny's search and rescue team.

Desmond is SO not carrying the show for me...Juliet is my favorite right now. I think the actress is doing such a good job of the "do I hate her or do I like her" with her character.

I'm still missing her over on Boston Legal. She was a guest star for 2 episodes in a row, as an ex-fiance of Alan's that had attempted to run him over with a car. He felt guilty about it, so he got her out of the mental institution. Well, then she pretty much stalked him.

And she knocked that role out of the park.

I had little doubt she'd do well on this show. It's about time she got a lead part somewhere.

[theanalogkid]

Juliet is great. I still can't wait for Ben's backstory(season finale?).

[Captain Beyond]

Juliet is great. I still can't wait for Ben's backstory(season finale?). Ben's back story will be May 11.

[anonym0use]

Just out of curiousity, how many people stopped watching the show "live" when they bumped the time back from 9:00 EST to 10:00??

I know I'm not the only one that switched to watching Wednesday's episode on the 'net the following day...

[cattmoe]

I still watch it live, although I also Tivo it in case I miss anything. I have a friend that is waiting until the entire season is over to watch it all on DVD though - and amazingly, none of it has been spoiled for him yet.

[JackAssterson]

I'm picturing in my head, hundreds of people reading this line and going straight to wikipedia.

Wouldn't do 'em any good. ;)

Now Schrodinger's cat -- that's a different story. :grin:

[Thawmus]

Just out of curiousity, how many people stopped watching the show "live" when they bumped the time back from 9:00 EST to 10:00??

I know I'm not the only one that switched to watching Wednesday's episode on the 'net the following day...

They've commented that they think their ratings are suffering greatly due to the time change. They know the show is being heavily watched online, but it seems as though that doesn't appease network execs too much.

I live in the midwest, so it's 9:00 here when the show starts, so it works out okay for me.

[absolutvt69]

I sort of watch it live. I let it get 15 minutes or so into it and then catch up to it with TiVo (so I can skip the commercials). But I know quite a few people that have to record it b/c they can't or don't want to stay up that late. I'd be curious to know whether their ratings would have suffered more from going against the AI results show at 9 or the move to the 10PM time slot.

[mike_houghton]

the rankings for people that watch lost on tivo and the like are through the roof. I think that says something about the time slot it is in.

[VelvetGuru9]

I just found out some killer spoiler about tonight's show. All I can say is, this show is getting deep. I need to call Stephen Hawking to figure it out.

[MSU]

Ahem, some spoilers and the 6things I learned from Lost tonight...

First off....HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!!!!!!

Second off...SHE IS PREGNANT TOO!!!

Third off...I have said it before, Sun is one of the most dangerous people on that island. Jin, Sun, and Sayeed are the three most dangerous people of the Losties. Sun's last lines to the woman just confirmed it.

Fourth off...at least we have confirmation about the island's healing power instead of us just guessing it!

Fifth off....FURY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!!!!

Sixth off...NO SURVIVORS?????? WTF, mate?

[absolutvt69]

A good episode... although it doesn't make a lot of sense right now...

[Thawmus]

I LOVE that eye-patch man is back.

And the "Oh ####!" moment when he ran in was hilarious. :laugh:

[Grinner]

Although I do have to admit that the gamer/writer side of me was saying, "Did you make sure Mikhail is actually dead?" :laugh:

As soon as Mikhail came on screen I looked over at my wife and said, "I told you, didn't I?"

[mike_houghton]

dude did Jin not kick the carp out of him or what

[Thawmus]

dude did Jin not kick the carp out of him or what

Yeah, I noticed that. I'm still kinda surprised that he never used those moves before. When he took on Michael, he just pounded on him. When he heard Ethan in the jungle, he was taken out quickly. When he fought eye-patch dude, he went completely Chuck Norris on him. He even delivered a roundhouse kick to the face.

I'm betting that they've been holding off on this simply to get the actor some martial arts instruction. He might not have known how to pull off moves like that before.

[Thawmus]

Yeah, I noticed that. I'm still kinda surprised that he never used those moves before. When he took on Michael, he just pounded on him. When he heard Ethan in the jungle, he was taken out quickly. When he fought eye-patch dude, he went completely Chuck Norris on him. He even delivered a roundhouse kick to the face.

I'm betting that they've been holding off on this simply to get the actor some martial arts instruction. He might not have known how to pull off moves like that before.

Nvm, I just read his bio.

His hobbies include:

tennis, football, skiing, and Tae Kwon Do.

In other words, that's likely not the last kickass fight scene we'll see out of this guy.

[absolutvt69]

So what was up w/ Naomi (the helicopter woman) speaking a bunch of different languages? And does anyone know what she said to Mikhail when he looked real funny and then told them she said "Thank you for saving my life" (which was obviously a lie). Lots of deals and such being made in this episode... Sun trusting Juliet to check on her baby, Desmond making a deal with Mikhail to save Naomi in return for his freedom (parallels Jack's deal with Ben), Sun making a deal with her father to save her husband from shame yet at the same time condemning him to a life of crime that ultimately led to the failure of their marriage, Sun's cheating and one could argue, them winding up on the doomed flight. And of course it's entirely possible that Juliet lied to Sun about when the DOC was... I think we all knew she was going to go back into the hatch and report on her findings although the "I hate you" at the end makes things interesting. Also she said she planned to have Austen's sample soon... does this mean Kate is pregnant too?

And of course the two big other twists... one Mikhail is alive. No idea how that's possible... he seemed pretty dead (w/ blood and everything coming out) and I'm pretty sure they checked him to make sure... so did he come back to life? And if so why didn't Boone, Shannon, Mr. Eko, etc. all come back? And the final scene where we find out that there were no survivors from the flight... that would seem to lend credence to purgatory theories except that idea has been shot down more times than I can count. Perhaps some sort of staged crash site to cover up the real one?

[VelvetGuru9]

I loved Jin finally pulling out some martial arts moves and then wailing on Patch.

The statement by Naomi to Hurley at the end of the episode is going to throw the show wide open to speculation.

Disregarding the earlier mention of Schrodinger's cat, I 'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Penny's father and Hanso Corp. created their own "Wag the Dog" scenario regarding the salvage efforts of Oceanic 815. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[hail_eris]

His hobbies include:

tennis, football, skiing, and Tae Kwon Do.
He's Korean - the tae kwon do is almost a given. The stereotype that all Asians know martial arts is at least partially true for Korean men, as they get pretty good training as part of their compulsory military service (and that's on top of whatever they did in high school).

Now, allow me to inject a little more knowledge of the Hermit Kingdom. First of all, the largest Korean banknote is 10,000 won. That's roughly ten bucks, US. So that stack that Sun's dad pulled out of the safe was probably enough to buy a cheap used car. Second, the past decade of Korean political history has been dominated by men from the southwest (Cholla province specifically). The closest analog I can give for people in the States is that it's essentially a maritime West Virginia. So many of the guys in the upper echelons of power are from poor farming and fishing families. This means that there's actually quite a bit of cred to be gained through a connection to the rural backwaters of Korea (maybe Jin went to the same high school as some big pol's son - high school ties last a lifetime in East Asia).

With that out of the way, I got a kick out of the episode. And I'm mad curious to know who engineered the fake plane crash.

[JackAssterson]

With that out of the way, I got a kick out of the episode. And I'm mad curious to know who engineered the fake plane crash.

It was the Wishmaster himself, Andrew Divoff...I mean, Mikhail!!! :eek:

Well, not really, but as a Divoff fan I can say I'm certainly enjoying Lost these days. :grin:

[Droppin Deuces]

I found it interesting that they didn't show Sun being upset by the fact that SHE ruined her marriage by asking her father for the money. She was the one that was going to leave Jin and cheated on him. I was reminded of the last Sun and Jin flashback episode where Sun blamed breaking the statue (or porcelian doll, I can't remember) on the housekeeper. She can't take responsibility for her actions and is oblivious to the fact that she ruined Jin's life by turning him into her father's thug without letting him know what was going on. In regards to Mihkail, I'm still trying to figure out how someone can throw themselves into a mouth-foaming shock and have blood come out of their ears on command to trick people into thinking they are dead. I hope they don't pull a cop out of "he's a twin" or something dumb like that. I don't remember if Sayid, Lock, and Kate checked to see if he was dead. I think they just grabbed the tree and hopped over the "fence". Does anyone remember if they checked to see if he was actually dead?

[Superfro]

Sooooo....my take on next week per the previews:

Locke get's Sawyer to kill "Ben", who is really Locke's dad, and Sawyer of course finds out and the two tussle which leads to John saying he can't kill him himself but wants the man dead. Oddly enough it's Sawyer in the scene as well as I'm pretty sure we'll learn that Locke's dad was the con man that conned his mother when he was a kid.

Do I got that about right? :p

[Droppin Deuces]

I agree 100% with Superfro's prediction. I thought the same thing the first time we saw a couple episodes back.

[Thawmus]

He's Korean - the tae kwon do is almost a given. The stereotype that all Asians know martial arts is at least partially true for Korean men, as they get pretty good training as part of their compulsory military service (and that's on top of whatever they did in high school).

Considering he was only in Korea for the first two years of his life, I'd still say that his exposure to Korean culture came from his parents, and that's about it. He wasn't a part of any compulsory military service. So he either learned it from them, or he got it from a gym.

The guy also doesn't even know Korean. He's had to practice it for the show.

[Thawmus]

Sooooo....my take on next week per the previews:

Locke get's Sawyer to kill "Ben", who is really Locke's dad, and Sawyer of course finds out and the two tussle which leads to John saying he can't kill him himself but wants the man dead. Oddly enough it's Sawyer in the scene as well as I'm pretty sure we'll learn that Locke's dad was the con man that conned his mother when he was a kid.

Do I got that about right? :p

Pretty much, yeah.

I think we're slowly turning the corner where they can't put enough mystery into things, because we're eventually going to know everything. So the Locke/Sawyer thing is going to be a pretty dismal reveal. It's just the nature of the closing to a mystery show.

[cattmoe]

I have two theories about Mikhail:

1. The island actually can heal even the dead; Boone, Eko etc. are stil dead because they were buried. (Or have come back tolife but can't unbury themselves.... right.)

2. He was faking. That blood and foaming could have come from blood capsules or something along those lines. I'm 99% positive they did check him, but again, with the proper training, he could have convinced them he was dead. Besides, after seeing what happened to him they didn't check very closely, they just assumed he was dead. (As would most of the rest of us.)

I would lean heavily towards the second theory, it just makes a lot more sense.

[Thrumble Funk]

And the final scene where we find out that there were no survivors from the flight... that would seem to lend credence to purgatory theories except that idea has been shot down more times than I can count. Perhaps some sort of staged crash site to cover up the real one?

Bingo. Covered up either by the Hanzo Corporation or the Widmore Corporation.

[JackAssterson]

I personally think the "no survivors" bit is a jibe AT the popular purgatory theory -- kind of like when everyone was asking who the heck two new LOSTies were, followed up by the episode where the castaways themselves were asking the same question.

[Thawmus]

There is some interesting stuff coming from the things Juliet talked to Sun about.

Some stuff they lie to us about, and others they don't. Usually, you can tell when Juliet is telling the truth, because she always cries while doing it. She seems to only lie when she can keep her emotions in check.

If the sperm count of men is going up, and a punctured lung heals in a day, then that confirms that the island is bolstering the human body in some way.

There is a very good theory out there now about this here:

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/apr/26/why-dont-they-abort-how-does-i

It seems to me that it is entirely possible that Mikhail was on the island as part of the initial Dharma initiative, and that's why he is practically Wolverine, unlike the rest of the Others. He was likely on this island 10-20 years longer than anyone else, and has become increasingly powerful.

Also, as noted before, Jin knocked the holy #### out of him, yet his lip wasn't bleeding, he had no sores to speak of. Jin had to put him into a hold to get him to stop. And Jin's reactive speed wasn't that fast in earlier fights.

And this theory does seem to concur with what we've seen out of Juliet. She's only been on the island for 3 years, has been nothing other than a fertility doctor, and yet she can see an ambush coming from Kate, and completely kick her ### one-handed? I'd say that her reaction speed and strength has been increased handily, and she only got beaten by Kate when she needed to convince Kate that they were "in this together".

And let's not forget when she knocked Jack out with one punch. He hasn't been that easy to take down for Losties that have tried.

[Superfro]

Are you basically saying this show is going to turn into the TV version of the Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat movies? Everone is just going to fight tourney style?

Cause that's gonna be cool.

[bigkahuna83]

come on everybody sing along...

'Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting, those cats were fast as lightning.'

I love that song :)

I can't believe none of you scoop reporters has informed us what the 'new girl' was saying to Nick Fury when he was workig on her.

First Fro gets scooped with the new previews and then this...I am so very disapointed in you all right now.

[Superfro]

First Fro gets scooped with the new previews and then this...I am so very disapointed in you all right now.

Here's a scoop for you....

Tony Soprano has been pretty much sleep walking for about 3 seasons now. Seriously. I watch the show, but talk about overrated. Yikes. :rolleyes:

:p

[Thawmus]

Are you basically saying this show is going to turn into the TV version of the Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat movies? Everone is just going to fight tourney style?

Cause that's gonna be cool.

Mortal Kombat.

Ben is Shang Tsung, who needs to eat fetuses to regain his youth, height, and fighting prowess. It's why he wants pregnant women to die so much.

Mikhail is Goro. He's ridiculous and....ridiculous.

And Desmond is Liu Kang, the dude that we're not supposed to care about until we're supposed to care about him, and he's suddenly the key to everything.

[Thawmus]

Here's a scoop for you....

Tony Soprano has been pretty much sleep walking for about 3 seasons now. Seriously. I watch the show, but talk about overrated. Yikes. :rolleyes:

:p


I love the show, but I pretty much only watch it sparingly, and only to see what Paulie does/says in it.

[bigkahuna83]

Here's a scoop for you....

Tony Soprano has been pretty much sleep walking for about 3 seasons now. Seriously. I watch the show, but talk about overrated. Yikes. :rolleyes:

:p

That may be true. But when he wakes up, you will soon be sleeping with the fishes. the fish will swim by you and :rolleyes:

[hail_eris]

That may be true. But when he wakes up, you will soon be sleeping with the fishes. the fish will swim by you and :rolleyes:
Meh. I gotta agree with 'Fro. Last time I saw anything resembling a spirited performance on the show was the death of Adriana (and props to Drea de Matteo - she earned the hell out of her check that week). The principals have been phoning it in for a couple of seasons. When you hold Sopranos up against The Wire, there's really no comparison. The Wire is probably the best ensemble show I've seen since the glory days of Homicide.

[Superfro]

Meh. I gotta agree with 'Fro. Last time I saw anything resembling a spirited performance on the show was the death of Adriana (and props to Drea de Matteo - she earned the hell out of her check that week). The principals have been phoning it in for a couple of seasons. When you hold Sopranos up against The Wire, there's really no comparison. The Wire is probably the best ensemble show I've seen since the glory days of Homicide.

The Wire and The Shield are my all time favorites. Edge goes to Shield, but only because of the quicker pace than The Wire. (Not that I don't enjoy The Wire's slow burn as well though.)

Sorry to hijack the Lost thread.

How about that crazy Hurley? How does he stay so huge?!

[Thawmus]

How about that crazy Hurley? How does he stay so huge?!

Because there's just so much to take in all at once you look at the big picture. I mean, just take a look at what's happening with the-

*leg sweeps Hurley's existance to death*


Who's Hurley?

[Superfro]

*leg sweeps Hurley's existance to death*


Who's Hurley?

He's the dude that just broke your leg. :p

[bigkahuna83]

How many episodes are left this season?

[Superfro]

I will answer in the same way that I hate how networks advertise everything.......

Only 3 episodes left!.....until the finale.


(And honestly, looking at synopsis of the next 3 episodes, it's going to be some awesome stuff. :cool: )

[hail_eris]

He's the dude that just broke your leg. :p
He's also the dude who speaks Spanish. And what's the first thing they do when downed chopper girl starts speaking Spanish? The send butterfingers Hurley over to fumble through her pack instead of staying right the hell there to translate. Nicely done, B Squad.

[Thawmus]

He's the dude that just broke your leg. :p

It's okay. On the island, healing can happen at an accelerated ra-

*leg sweeps the island's healing powers to death*

damn my reflexes!

[Grinner]

Although I do have to admit that the gamer/writer side of me was saying, "Did you make sure Mikhail is actually dead?" :laugh:

Does anyone remember if they checked to see if he was actually dead?

I'm 99% positive they did check him, but again, with the proper training, he could have convinced them he was dead. Besides, after seeing what happened to him they didn't check very closely, they just assumed he was dead. (As would most of the rest of us.)

Way back when we first saw Mikhail go through the sonic fence I was commenting that we didn't see them actually check if he was dead, so no - we never saw them check him. It wasn't even implied that they checked him.

And I'd have to say, cattmoe, that in a regular collection of people "most of the rest of us" would assume he was dead. But in a group of gamers like we have here on the Realms, I don't know that we'd take as many things for granted :laugh:

[cattmoe]

Way back when we first saw Mikhail go through the sonic fence I was commenting that we didn't see them actually check if he was dead, so no - we never saw them check him. It wasn't even implied that they checked him.

And I'd have to say, cattmoe, that in a regular collection of people "most of the rest of us" would assume he was dead. But in a group of gamers like we have here on the Realms, I don't know that we'd take as many things for granted :laugh:

Ha! Too true. Plus, I actually remember you saying that now - I was way off on both counts. :laugh: I better get my facts straight or Thawmus is going to legsweep me....

[Captain Beyond]

in the latest TV Guide they give a number as to how many major character casualties we can expect by the season end. If that many people die and the fans have conniptions if they allow some of the other survivors to step up to the forefront (as evidenced by the Nikki, Paolo debacle), how much of a show will we have next season.
Sorry, I don't know how to do that spoiler thing so if you want to know the number you should check TV Guide.

[anonym0use]

So what was up w/ Naomi (the helicopter woman) speaking a bunch of different languages? And does anyone know what she said to Mikhail when he looked real funny and then told them she said "Thank you for saving my life" (which was obviously a lie).

Was this ever determined or resolved? Rep to whoever properly translates the Rooskie...

[Thawmus]

Was this ever determined or resolved? Rep to whoever properly translates the Rooskie...

"I am not the only one."

[anonym0use]

*leg sweeps Thawmus's rep*

[Madroxbox]

so how many more people could there have been in the helicopter?

[MSU]

Desmond's gal pal....Penny was in the helicopter.

[DisturbedChild]

Desmond's gal pal....Penny was in the helicopter.
No, Penny wasn't in the helicopter. it was her dad coming to finish the job.:nervous:

[MSU]

How would her dad know where Desmond is...Penny was the one looking for Desmond. My money is that Penny is looking for Desmond and was in the copter.

[Thawmus]

How would her dad know where Desmond is...Penny was the one looking for Desmond. My money is that Penny is looking for Desmond and was in the copter.

Heh, you said Moneypenny.


Wait, no you didn't.


I said Moneypenny!


Hah!

[Thawmus]

How would her dad know where Desmond is...Penny was the one looking for Desmond. My money is that Penny is looking for Desmond and was in the copter.

But in all seriousness....



The construction company is owned by her father, and he's the one that's in bed with the Hanso Foundation somehow.

It's also possible, given what we know about Desmond's tall flashback from earlier, that her father drove him off specifically so that he would run around the world and push a button every 108 minutes. He could possibly care a great deal for Desmond, and we just don't know it.

We don't know anything!!!!

*runs away screaming*

[anonym0use]

I'm curious to know if Benry and the Others know about Desmond - they have files on everyone else (Locke, Sawyer, Austin, Sheppard) but Desmond is a bit of a wildcard - he wasn't there when the plane went down and Ethan started making his list of the survivors.

I'm guessing that the Others don't know, only because they seemed really surprised that the Losties had a boat.

[mike_houghton]

they should have known since they obviously were using the one station with the feeds of the other stations and should have seen desmond in the one that blew up sometime

[anonym0use]

they should have known since they obviously were using the one station with the feeds of the other stations and should have seen desmond in the one that blew up sometime

Good point. They may have known he was in there, although they may not have known who he was... or where on the Island he was...

[Thawmus]

They likely knew he was there, but they likely don't know anything about him. The station didn't seem to broadcast sound at all, just video feed. So they likely never knew his name.

However, I'd really like for him and an Other to sit down and chat about Kelvin a bit....

I'm very surprised that he hasn't had a chat with Juliet at all thus far....

[absolutvt69]

in the latest TV Guide they give a number as to how many major character casualties we can expect by the season end. If that many people die and the fans have conniptions if they allow some of the other survivors to step up to the forefront (as evidenced by the Nikki, Paolo debacle), how much of a show will we have next season.
Sorry, I don't know how to do that spoiler thing so if you want to know the number you should check TV Guide.
I imagine you could say the number w/o it being a spoiler... it's not like we're going to know who dies. I think I found what you were talking about though...

Is it FIVE?

[cattmoe]

Man. every week I get more and more confused... it seemed like Locke was on the "good" list because he had never killed anyone, yet they wanted him to kill someone. They've done an admirable job keeping the secrets under wraps, but I really hope there's a significant payoff for all of this.....

[VelvetGuru9]

All I can say after tonight's episode is O...M...G...

[absolutvt69]

So not really a surprise regarding Locke's father... I think a lot of people had made the connection already and surmised what would happen once Sawyer found out. I'm curious to know what Juliet and Jack were arguing about telling Kate. And if they faked the plane crash, they went all out with bodies and everything... I don't buy that they're in Hell but it was interesting that Locke's father kept saying "you think this is an island". As usual... a few answers and even more questions.

[theanalogkid]

The backstory was good, but the main story everyone knew was coming. Next week looks good though.

[Madroxbox]

The next few episodes will be great if the hints I've heard come true, which they have so far.

Locke has played his part very well. He is looking for answers for himself, even if he needs to join the Others to do it. They have set lots of new possibilities for next season.

[Superfro]

I'm very surprised that he hasn't had a chat with Juliet at all thus far....

Yes....I'm sure it'd be as thrilling as all the other conversations we've seen with Juliet.

Everyone: "Hey....tell me about this."
Juliet: "No."
Everyone: "Ok. I guess I'm a moron and won't fight you on that issue. By the way, we totally don't trust you and are very upset about you being here."
Jack: "Leave her alone. You have a problem with her you have a problem with me."
Everyone: *Stares at Jack with dramatic music playing*
-End scene-

:rolleyes:

[Thawmus]

Yes....I'm sure it'd be as thrilling as all the other conversations we've seen with Juliet.

Everyone: "Hey....tell me about this."
Juliet: "No."
Everyone: "Ok. I guess I'm a moron and won't fight you on that issue. By the way, we totally don't trust you and are very upset about you being here."
Jack: "Leave her alone. You have a problem with her you have a problem with me."
Everyone: *Stares at Jack with dramatic music playing*
-End scene-

:rolleyes:

But see, it's different with Desmond.

He'd be all like, "Jack, you failed your marriage, GTFOH. Juliet, I'm going to get you so drunk that you can't feel feelings, and you're going to tell me everything. Why? Because I'm the best damn character on the show."

[mike_houghton]

Did anyone else giggle when ben hit Lockes dad with the stick... i really found that funny for some reason.
Locke is my favorite character but damn if he aint befuddling me right now :P

[Stepper79]

But see, it's different with Desmond.

He'd be all like, "Jack, you failed your marriage, GTFOH, BROTHER . Juliet, I'm going to get you so drunk that you can't feel feelings, and you're going to tell me everything. Why? Because I'm the best damn character on the show."


fixed it for you :)

[absolutvt69]

I laughed because they had Locke's dad strapped to some giant pillar like he was a sacrifice for King Kong or something.

[AZS]

Nothing overly revealing in last night's ep. Mostly just moving the story along.

One thing I was wondering about... Rusoue (the 'french lady') was with the losties when they went to rescue Jack. When they all got captured, she just dissapeared. I kept wondering what happened to her.
Story-wise, there was no point in her coming along at all. She didn't add anything to that storyline, or help anyone. I kept expecting her to pop up and do somthing dramatic. But she didn't.
Now it turns out she just basically left. And when we see her next she's taking an entire crate of dynamite.

Why is she even on the show?

Anyway, they're hinting at the posibility of actually revealing stuff. I think it's a bluff. The show has only been on 3 seasons. They have to wait until at least the 5th season to tell us what's going on. (So that by then, absolutely nobody cares.)

:)

[doctor_x]

I officially cannot stand Locke at all now.

I knew he was gonna pull a," thanks now..bu-bye" once Sawyer did his dirty work for him and go running back the Other's and kiss Ben's arse some more.

Pucker up good Locke...

What a Nancy Locke is!

Locke has repeatedly stopped the survivors from getting off the island and damned near killed them all if it wasn't for Desmond.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to foil Penny's rescue efforts.

Maybe he secretly desires Ben to be his daddy.

What a tool...

The only way I'll ever respect Locke is if he kills Ben.

[Wyldstaar]

One thing I was wondering about... Rusoue (the 'french lady') was with the losties when they went to rescue Jack. When they all got captured, she just dissapeared. I kept wondering what happened to her.
Story-wise, there was no point in her coming along at all. She didn't add anything to that storyline, or help anyone. I kept expecting her to pop up and do somthing dramatic. But she didn't.
Now it turns out she just basically left. And when we see her next she's taking an entire crate of dynamite.

Why is she even on the show?

You're forgetting about Alex, Rousseau's daughter. She came along because Kate told her that Alex was alive and with The Others. She left because she's used to working alone, and doesn't trust anyone. She needs the dynamite because she has a cunning plan to rescue Alex.

[cattmoe]

You're forgetting about Alex, Rousseau's daughter. She came along because Kate told her that Alex was alive and with The Others. She left because she's used to working alone, and doesn't trust anyone. She needs the dynamite because she has a cunning plan to rescue Alex.

Also, I think I vaguely rememebr her leaving.... when Sayid and kate decided to go into the Others camp, I thinK she told them they were on their own and then took off. I might just be making that up, though....:p

[AZS]

Well, I suppose if her storyline involves dynamite it's not entirely uninteresting.

(Unless she ends up like Prof Artz.)

[hail_eris]

And if they faked the plane crash, they went all out with bodies and everything...
I dunno - Titanic was released almost ten years ago and that looked pretty convincing. Figure if Ben & the gang have the tech to magically engineer cancer cures and all manner of traffic accidents, they've probably got a pretty skilled pixel pusher lurking somewhere in the organization.

[Superfro]

Well, I suppose if her storyline involves dynamite it's not entirely uninteresting.

(Unless she ends up like Prof Artz.)


I have no problem with her exploding. That would be interesting to me. At least then I wouldn't have to see her stare at everything all angry and confused. :cheeky:

[doctor_x]

Nothing overly revealing in last night's ep. Mostly just moving the story along.

One thing I was wondering about... Rusoue (the 'french lady') was with the losties when they went to rescue Jack. When they all got captured, she just dissapeared. I kept wondering what happened to her.
Story-wise, there was no point in her coming along at all. She didn't add anything to that storyline, or help anyone. I kept expecting her to pop up and do somthing dramatic. But she didn't.
Now it turns out she just basically left. And when we see her next she's taking an entire crate of dynamite.

Why is she even on the show?

Anyway, they're hinting at the posibility of actually revealing stuff. I think it's a bluff. The show has only been on 3 seasons. They have to wait until at least the 5th season to tell us what's going on. (So that by then, absolutely nobody cares.)

:)


The french woman is the only smart 1 out of them all.

She split as soon as she saw that Locke, Sayid and Kate were dumb enough to try and make contact with the Others by infiltrating their camp to rescue Jack.

She has repeatedly told them to leave the Others alone or kill them as soon as they get a chance.

Last nite's episode showed what she's up to somewhat-she came and got the dynamite from The Black Rock for a reason.

I think she will help to get the survivors off the island.

I hope they rescue her to.

Maybe she'll kill Ben?
IMO-somebodies' gonna.

Blow him up real good lady!

[doctor_x]

The thing that Jack & Julliette is going to tell Kate is that she's preggers.

Julliette mentioned it during the episode where she took Sun off into the jungle while leaving the recording that Locke gave Sawyer last nite.

I think that Locke was/is used by Ben to mess with the survivors.

[Wyldstaar]

The thing that Jack & Julliette is going to tell Kate is that she's preggers.

Julliette mentioned it during the episode where she took Sun off into the jungle while leaving the recording that Locke gave Sawyer last nite.

I think that Locke was/is used by Ben to mess with the survivors.

Julliette doesn't know for certain that Kate is pregnant. She merely plans to find out if Kate or any of the other women are knocked up. Julliette knows that it's a possibility because she knows that Kate and Sawyer were together in the cage. It doesn't matter how potent males are on The Island if Kate's body isn't in it's fertile cycle for the month. The Others do have detailed files on everyone, but I doubt they know when Kate is ovulating.

[Thrumble Funk]

All I know is that we see the origins of DHARMA next week, and that is awesome. I love love LOVE the Dharma stuff!

[absolutvt69]

I think Jack and Juliet have their own plan and that she's letting Ben think she's working for him in order to set him up. I think that Sawyer bringing back that tape recorder is going to blow their whole plan up because it will make Juliet look like a spy. I think Ben knows all this (Ben knows everything). He was certainly forthcoming with the information regarding the upcoming attack... and when is Ben ever that frank unless he's up to something. He also made sure to put the tape recorder away while Locke was standing there. I think he wanted Locke to take it and he wanted Locke to warn the others. To what end, I don't know but I also have a feeling that at some point in the near future, Ben's manipulations are going to catch up with him and someone's going to take him out... could be Rousseau, could be Alex, could be Juliet, someone's going to get him eventually and he's not going to be able to talk his way out.

Interesting that Locke's dad kept talking about being in Hell (they really wanna ride that Purgatory stuff don't they?)... although I would think that the Others could easily engineer kidnapping him and bringing him to the island... the part about the person in the ambulance smiling as he put the IV in made me wonder if it wasn't all a set up to drug and transport him to the island.

[Thawmus]

Julliette doesn't know for certain that Kate is pregnant. She merely plans to find out if Kate or any of the other women are knocked up. Julliette knows that it's a possibility because she knows that Kate and Sawyer were together in the cage. It doesn't matter how potent males are on The Island if Kate's body isn't in it's fertile cycle for the month. The Others do have detailed files on everyone, but I doubt they know when Kate is ovulating.

If the males are extra potent, I highly doubt that the females are going to be any different.



As far as Jack is concerned, I hope they kill him off the show. Here's why:

Kate was, as of the original script they did for the show, supposed to be the leader of the survivors. She was supposed to be out there with Jack, run from the monster, and the guy that was up in the tree dead? That wasn't supposed to be Greg Grunberg. That was supposed to be Matthew Fox.

And when I heard about this, I thought, "Wow, can you imagine what everything would be like on this show with just Kate being the leader, and she doesn't have to have a love triangle?"

They wanted Kate to be continually angry and sad at the same time, yet still be the strongest person out of the survivors. Can you imagine a character like that give the "Live together, die alone" speech?

I used to love Jack to pieces, but since they've reduced him to a whipped puppy, I scarcely give a #### what happens to him anymore. I hope Juliet kills him in his sleep, and then has another cat-fight with Kate. Then have Kate rip out Juliet's throat with her teeth, and lead them to the Others' camp to kill them all.

[absolutvt69]

I used to love Jack to pieces, but since they've reduced him to a whipped puppy, I scarcely give a #### what happens to him anymore. I hope Juliet kills him in his sleep, and then has another cat-fight with Kate. Then have Kate rip out Juliet's throat with her teeth, and lead them to the Others' camp to kill them all.

See but I think Jack knows what he's doing. I think he has a plan and part of that plan involves Juliet (who is in on it)... he doesn't want to let everyone else know because it could jeopardize the operation... so he just asks them to trust him. It just seems like every time Jack seems to be "losing it" it turns out he's got a good reason for it (like for doing the surgery on Ben).

[mike_houghton]

Jack has at the very least seemed confident throughout the entire series. He has had many problems come on his plate, being a leader when he didnt want to, the hatch, the Others. Through it all though, even when a problem arises, he seems to come through and work things out. He does this for the interests of the entire lot of losties, his motives seem the least selfish, and I for one still find his character a crucial component.
But damn if Matt(Greg ) would have been the one to live.... wow who would have played Parkman on Heroes?

[Thawmus]

Jack has at the very least seemed confident throughout the entire series. He has had many problems come on his plate, being a leader when he didnt want to, the hatch, the Others. Through it all though, even when a problem arises, he seems to come through and work things out. He does this for the interests of the entire lot of losties, his motives seem the least selfish, and I for one still find his character a crucial component.
But damn if Matt(Greg ) would have been the one to live.... wow who would have played Parkman on Heroes?

Greg wouldn't have lived.

In the original script, the pilot did not exist.

[mike_houghton]

aww... well atleast he has been on my 2 favorite shows.

[AZS]

Daddy Swayer talked a lot about being in Hell, but I think that was just the producers' nod to the theories that they are really in Purgatory.
Look at the evidence, and they have to be alive on a read island.

The others could come and go as they pleased, bringing on and taking off members. The guy who invited Julliette to the island was on the mainland and on the island in last night's epp. Unless the writers are suggesting people can come and go as they please from Purgatory, that alone breaks it.
But also Ben has communicated with the mainland when he showed Julliette her sister. Also the EMP from last season was picked up by Desmond's fiance in the real world. Notably enough that she then sent a search crew to that location.

In the words of Jamie and Adam, this myth is pretty well busted.

[Wyldstaar]

As far as Jack is concerned, I hope they kill him off the show. Here's why:

Kate was, as of the original script they did for the show, supposed to be the leader of the survivors. She was supposed to be out there with Jack, run from the monster, and the guy that was up in the tree dead? That wasn't supposed to be Greg Grunberg. That was supposed to be Matthew Fox.

Actually, I think that was supposed to be Michael Keaton dead in the tree. It was only after the studio convinced JJA that Jack had to live that they recast the role. Keaton was only interested in the part because he didn't think he'd have to be part of a series.

[VelvetGuru9]

I'm beginning to dislike two characters a lot now; Jack and Locke. They both seemed to be such strong characters and now they're both reduced to being stumblebums.

I have a theory about why Ben left Locke all that information about Juliett and the raid on the survivor camp. It's to weaken the survivors up even more. Jack is no longer the head guy, and even Ben has to know that by sending Jack back to the camp with Juliet that there are going to be those who no longer feel they can trust Jack.

When Sawyer, the new annointed leader gets back with this info, he's going to encounter a Jack who feels his word should still be regarded highly. There will be "duel", if you will, between the two fracturing and dividing the camp making it easier to raid. The raid will not be in three days, but in 5 14 days when the two halves will have let their guards down.

I'm just going to root for whoever is on Sayid's side.

[cattmoe]

I'm just going to root for whoever is on Sayid's side.


I'll second that! Aside from blabbing to Kate about the helicopter pilot (he should have known she would tell Jack), Sayid seems to be the only one who's got it together.

[Thawmus]

I'll second that! Aside from blabbing to Kate about the helicopter pilot (he should have known she would tell Jack), Sayid seems to be the only one who's got it together.

Don't forget Desmond. I'd say nobody has it more together than he does. He even gets visions of things that he wants more than life itself.....yet he chooses to save the lives of people around him, halting his progress toward those goals. He's way more virtuous and awesome than Jack is.

However, since Sayid doesn't trust Jack, Juliet, nor the paralostie, there's a pretty good chance that something terrible is going to happen involving all three of them.

[Madroxbox]

After hearing that there will be casualties by the finale - my predictions for chance of getting killed:

Group supporters-
I agree that Sayid is the most useful to the group right now. His skills, knowledge, and reluctance to trust people make him their best asset.
(no chance of death)

++Desmond is also useful because he seems to be the closest thing to rescue at this point. He hasn't really expressed strong opinions about any of the Others yet.
(small chance of death)

++Sawyer is also pro-"losties", and will be the most vocal for his side in the coming battle. Could this make him a casualty?
(moderate chance of death)

Kate is also pro-losties but ruins everything. EVERYTHING. She is almost the opposite of Sayid. She is a main character, however.
(small chance of death)

Charlie is certainly anti-Others, but could die at any minute. He also provides little value to the group overall.
(high chance of death)

++Jin has been anti-others so far, and is capable of fighting.
(moderate chance of death)

Rousseau
Her story has yet to play out with her daughter.
(small chance of death)

Some unidentified "Losties"
(high chance of death)

Non-supporters.
Jack is tainted because we don't know how heavily he is being manipulated by Juliet(and we don't know her true intention either). He has lost trust among his own people and may not physically oppose any of the Others. If there was a main character of the show, it would be him. He is extremely useful and a leader.
(no chance of death)

Locke is in no man's land because he is the only one that is willing to sit back and listen to what the Others have to say. There is still so much potential for his character.
(no chance of death)

Sun may be to convinced to accept Juliet as a friend. We know now that she will die, but because we know how, I think she will live through this season and die "naturally". Therefore:
(no chance of death, yet)

Hurley hasn't shown aggression towards anybody. He may not even fight. However, like Charlie, he provides next to no value for the group.
(high chance of death)

Claire probably would side with Jack, seeing as he has been so helpful and supportive of her. She needs to raise Aaron, though.
(small chance of death)

Juliet is hated by most of the group, and quite possibly many of the Others. Ben usually has the upper hand on her and right now Jack is her only ally.
(high chance of death)

Some unindentified Others
(high chance of death)

I think for the show to keep unfaithful viewers, it needs to keep most of the "Losties" alive. It is hard to imagine the Others losing the battle though. We haven't had many main character deaths in a while.

What do you guys think?

[cattmoe]

Well, at first I thought to myself that a bunch of the Others would be the ones to die - based on Mikhail they can resurrect themselves anyway. But then I remembered Ethan and the other inflitrators - they're still dead, appareantly, so Mikhail probably faked it somehow.

I think Charlie is almost a given, and I'm betting on Juliet and either Kate or Jack. If they want to keep her from spilling all the beans, they pretty much have to kill her; eventually the Losties are going to make her talk. (Frankly I'm shocked Sayid hasn't tried already - everyone except for Jack would support him.)

[anonym0use]

After hearing that there will be casualties by the finale - my predictions for chance of getting killed:

Group supporters-
I agree that Sayid is the most useful to the group right now. His skills, knowledge, and reluctance to trust people make him their best asset.
(no chance of death)

++Desmond is also useful because he seems to be the closest thing to rescue at this point. He hasn't really expressed strong opinions about any of the Others yet.
(small chance of death)

++Sawyer is also pro-"losties", and will be the most vocal for his side in the coming battle. Could this make him a casualty?
(moderate chance of death)

Kate is also pro-losties but ruins everything. EVERYTHING. She is almost the opposite of Sayid. She is a main character, however.
(small chance of death)

Charlie is certainly anti-Others, but could die at any minute. He also provides little value to the group overall.
(high chance of death)

++Jin has been anti-others so far, and is capable of fighting.
(moderate chance of death)

Rousseau
Her story has yet to play out with her daughter.
(small chance of death)

Some unidentified "Losties"
(high chance of death)

Non-supporters.
Jack is tainted because we don't know how heavily he is being manipulated by Juliet(and we don't know her true intention either). He has lost trust among his own people and may not physically oppose any of the Others. If there was a main character of the show, it would be him. He is extremely useful and a leader.
(no chance of death)

Locke is in no man's land because he is the only one that is willing to sit back and listen to what the Others have to say. There is still so much potential for his character.
(no chance of death)

Sun may be to convinced to accept Juliet as a friend. We know now that she will die, but because we know how, I think she will live through this season and die "naturally". Therefore:
(no chance of death, yet)

Hurley hasn't shown aggression towards anybody. He may not even fight. However, like Charlie, he provides next to no value for the group.
(high chance of death)

Claire probably would side with Jack, seeing as he has been so helpful and supportive of her. She needs to raise Aaron, though.
(small chance of death)

Juliet is hated by most of the group, and quite possibly many of the Others. Ben usually has the upper hand on her and right now Jack is her only ally.
(high chance of death)

Some unindentified Others
(high chance of death)

I think for the show to keep unfaithful viewers, it needs to keep most of the "Losties" alive. It is hard to imagine the Others losing the battle though. We haven't had many main character deaths in a while.

What do you guys think?

I have to disagree on a few points.

I don't think Jack is the leader you think he is. It may have been that way at one point but actopns speak louder than words - and given the chance to save himself - he took it. I think that he's been made into a Messiah figure and that he's most likely going to die at some point...only to return. I expect that his father is still alive, and on the Island as well, and that he needs closure with his father before the tv show is done with him as a character. High chance of death.

I think Hurley is a better leader than Jack (did you see how he manipulated Sawyer?), and he provides the show with comedy relief and gives the audience a character that they can emphasize with. Not many people can relate to characters like Jack (Spinal Surgeon who keeps making the wrong decisions), Locke (a cripple who regained the use of his legs and has since become a very spiritual shaman-esque person), etc. Lots of people can relate to Hurley. Zero chance of death.

Juliet &/or Ben - high chance of death. The audience needs some closure here.

Charlie - his storie's played out. How many times can he fall back off the wagon? High chance of death.

Claire - I would almost say high chance of death, yet there's so much we don't know about her (who is the father of that baby, anyway?), and a connection to Jack that's barely been touched on - Moderate chance of death.

Sayid - I don't know where they're going with him. I'm really shocked that the others have so much info on him - I figured he'd be a wildcard of sorts - one who could up the ante for the losties sake, and I was wrong. I'd like to see him "go native" like the french lady and disappear into the jungle for a little bit, only to drop of the other's radar and pop up when they least expect it. As it stands, from a writing aspect, I can't think of a reason that he needs to live. High chance.

Kate does ruin everything. She's also a strong female lead. No way they're killing her off this season. They've already lost several female characters (Shannon, Libby, Ana Lucia) Low chance.

Sawyer's the Han Solo character. They can't kill a Han Solo character, can they? *leg sweeps the carbonite chamber off the island*

Bernard and Rose - as far as expendable characters go, I'd say (and it pains me to say) High chance.

Sun & Jin have a long way to go - we still need to learn how Sun's father is tied up with the Hanso corp. Low chance.

I can almost guarantee that when Rousseau's time to leave the Island comes, she won't take it. I can't imagine her fitting back into society ever again with what has happened to her. She still has unresolved issues with her daughter though, so they'll keep her around until that's finished. After that - high chance of death (but not before killing Ben).

And if Desmond dies?

I won't be returning for season 3, thak you very much.

Finally, I wholly expect to see Michael and Walt AND Libbey at some point during the last few eps - either in real-time or through flashbacks...

[anonym0use]

I also had to love the fact that Locke didn't really question what Rousseau was doing, and vice versa.

[Grinner]

Charlie - his storie's played out. How many times can he fall back off the wagon?

And how many times can Desmond save him?

[Madroxbox]

I think Hurley is a better leader than Jack (did you see how he manipulated Sawyer?), and he provides the show with comedy relief and gives the audience a character that they can emphasize with. Not many people can relate to characters like Jack (Spinal Surgeon who keeps making the wrong decisions), Locke (a cripple who regained the use of his legs and has since become a very spiritual shaman-esque person), etc. Lots of people can relate to Hurley. Zero chance of death.

Finally, I wholly expect to see Michael and Walt AND Libbey at some point during the last few eps - either in real-time or through flashbacks...

I'm sorry if I was unclear. My predictions were only for the end of this season. :confused:
Jack has just been so much of a fan favorite (until this season) that I think he'll last until season 5(presumably the last). That would be pretty cool if they revealed his father as alive. Never found his body, right?:classic:

For the purpose of realism(living on a dangerous island), the writers have to kill people off. The writers ask themselves "who CAN we kill off?" They try as much as possible to stray away from the strong roles(Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer). Who helps the group survive? Locke, Jack, Sayid. Who would make the fans outraged if we killed them? Hurley, Jack, Kate, Locke, and others(not THE Others). These characters are for the most part off limits to being killed, or they will keep alive as long as possible.

Who does not fulfill these roles, aside from minor characters? Charlie is an obvious choice, and he was chosen. Boon and Shannon both were. I love Hurley's character, but he is the same as the above three. His personal story has potential to be more, but very well could be done with(when is the last time The Numbers have been brought up?). I'm rooting for him to live, but I will not be at all surprised if he doesn't make it.

I think I heard somewhere that Michael and Walt were not going to appear for the rest of the season.:(

[Captain Beyond]

Ok, possible spoilers, you might already know these things.










TV Guide said a week ago there would be five MAJOR character deaths by the end of the season.

Entertainment Weekly said a few months ago that Juliet shoots someone shocking.

Sorry, I don't know how to do the other spoiler thing.

[Grinner]

Never found his body, right?:classic:

Pre or post crash? Because Jack's big argument at the airport was about getting his dad's body on the plane, so we definitely had a body pre-crash.

[Stepper79]

Well We now know how much longer we have to wait to get answers -the producers and ABC have reached a deal to put an end to Lost.


After this season there are 48 episodes remaining to be stretched over 3 more seasons 16 per year with the Final episode in 2010 #119

here is the whole article http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964371.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&p=0

[theanalogkid]

Kinda of like B5, hopefully without the bad fifth season.

[anonym0use]

Pre or post crash? Because Jack's big argument at the airport was about getting his dad's body on the plane, so we definitely had a body pre-crash.


Did we see the body, or did he just take a coffin? Do we know if he's really dead?

[anonym0use]

I'm sorry if I was unclear. My predictions were only for the end of this season. :confused:

I love Hurley's character, but he is the same as the above three. His personal story has potential to be more, but very well could be done with(when is the last time The Numbers have been brought up?). :(

While I agree that Hurley's story (the numbers) is somewhat played out, I can't imagine the writers/producers killing off the comedy relief. I imagine the fan backlash from that would be huge... so I'm not going to agree with you on this. But, we will see.

[mike_houghton]

Did we see the body, or did he just take a coffin? Do we know if he's really dead?
lol.. if they didnt make sure it was his body before they loaded him up then Jack needs his mind fixed

[Thawmus]

Did we see the body, or did he just take a coffin? Do we know if he's really dead?

We saw the body at the morgue beforehand in a flashback. We're pretty sure he got loaded into the coffin.

However, when they landed, he opened the coffin, and his dad was no longer there.

Given that the coffin was at the waterfall, and that half of the group had stayed there for a long time, and were constantly hunting, etc. in the area, they should have run into his body at some point.

My theory is that Jack's dad is very much alive. How much he's still Jack's dad is a good question, considering he can just disappear at the drop of a hat. But I sincerely doubt that Jack was hallucinating when he saw him. We've seen Walt pull similar tricks.

Mikhail's resurrection pretty much confirms this.

Mikhail and Jack's Dad are the only two people we've seen thus far that were dead by means OTHER than the smoke monster, and were not buried. Everyone else who has met those conditions has stayed dead. When Hurley mentioned that Ethan was buried, the look on Juliet's face seemed sad, rather than concerned. It was almost as if she suddenly realized how in fact Ethan had never come back.

I think there's a connection there somewhere.



Speaking of the cave, I'd still like to know what those black and white stones that Locke took from Adam and Eve are. Maybe we'll find out this week.

[anonym0use]

Mikhail and Jack's Dad are the only two people we've seen thus far that were dead by means OTHER than the smoke monster, and were not buried.

Are we sure Jack saw his Dad and not "Smokey" ? I seem to remember other people encountering things that seemed illogical/impossible (Kate saw a horse IIRC, and Eko saw his brother). Is it likely that the smoke monster can make itself appear to be somthing in the subconcious mind of a nearby person?

And FWIW, whatever the truth may be behind "Smokey," I still think Jack's dad is alive. He may have been approached the same way Juliet was - they needed a surgeon on the Island, new he was capable of being manipulated - and faked his death to get him there. I'm not suggesting that they maneuvered the Ocenaic 815 plane crash around him, merely stating that he was never on the plane (could have been some other bloke's body).

I will be really shocked if some form of Dr. Sheppard isn't on the Island.

[Thawmus]

Are we sure Jack saw his Dad and not "Smokey" ? I seem to remember other people encountering things that seemed illogical/impossible (Kate saw a horse IIRC, and Eko saw his brother). Is it likely that the smoke monster can make itself appear to be somthing in the subconcious mind of a nearby person?

Entirely possible. However, keep in mind that Eko's brother also happens to be among "the departed" on the island. While he DID find his body, I don't recall him ever burying it, and it was suspended in the air in the plane with the other bodies. They may not have been capable of receiving the "healing magic" of the island.

And FWIW, whatever the truth may be behind "Smokey," I still think Jack's dad is alive. He may have been approached the same way Juliet was - they needed a surgeon on the Island, new he was capable of being manipulated - and faked his death to get him there. I'm not suggesting that they maneuvered the Ocenaic 815 plane crash around him, merely stating that he was never on the plane (could have been some other bloke's body).

I will be really shocked if some form of Dr. Sheppard isn't on the Island.

The reason I feel even more strongly about this at this point was the fact that Dr. Sheppard said that Australia was, in fact, Hell. And that it was where people went to suffer.

However, Mr. Tom Sawyer said that the island was, in fact, Hell.

While they've completely dismissed any notions that this is Purgatory, and there is evidence to back up that it isn't Purgatory, there are many nods to the idea that this might be some sort of inter-dimensional gate into either Heaven or Hell. Juliet's cries for a chance to give someone "good news" seems to be a bit more than just telling pregnant women that they're going to die. The Others seem to feel that their work is important, but there's a certain hopelessness that they carry about them as well. As though they're disgruntled for reasons OTHER than Ben being a jerk.

I don't know, but the next few episodes should be extremely interesting.

[Stepper79]

I don't know, but the next few episodes should be extremely interesting.


Which in total is 52 :eek:

[Thawmus]

Which in total is 52 :eek:

The Island is part of the multiverse!!!

[Droppin Deuces]

Just to play devil's advocate with the whole "if they aren't buried they can come back to life" theory. Why are there skeletal remains all over the place on the island if people have to be buried to stay dead? The Adam and Eve remains in the caves, the remains in the ship at the Black Rock, and IIRC in the bear cave there was a skeleton in a Dharma jumpsuit. Just a thought, I realize they could be placed there by the Others but that seems unlikely as it wouldn't have a purpose.

[Thawmus]

Just to play devil's advocate with the whole "if they aren't buried they can come back to life" theory. Why are there skeletal remains all over the place on the island if people have to be buried to stay dead? The Adam and Eve remains in the caves, the remains in the ship at the Black Rock, and IIRC in the bear cave there was a skeleton in a Dharma jumpsuit. Just a thought, I realize they could be placed there by the Others but that seems unlikely as it wouldn't have a purpose.

That's been the square peg that I can't fit into the round hole, unfortunately.

It might still matter how people die. Jack's dad pretty much ran himself into the ground slowly. Eko's brother got shot. So did Ethan.

[Stepper79]

Other than Mikal Who has come back to life??? NO one that I can remember I think either Mikal didn't die when he went thru the fence (but just got really hurt) or he has a twin on the island as the other attempt to add more mystery and confusion to the lives of the losties

[Grinner]

I still maintain that Mikhail wasn't dead and that the non-gamers didn't bother to check that he was actually dead.

I also have my doubts about Jack's dad being alive. We saw the smoke cloud turn into Eko's brother before it killed him.

[theanalogkid]

How do you think they will reveal in tonight's episode? With Ben being the flashback?

[anonym0use]

How do you think they will reveal in tonight's episode? With Ben being the flashback?

I Imagine much of it will be like the Nikki and Paulo episode, where there are multiple Flashbacks with little bits from every season thus far, showing Ben behind the scenes manipulating things, perhaps even including the real Henry Gale. Just my guess, but this allows them to move the story along without moving it forawrd, something the writers really, really like to do.

[VelvetGuru9]

How do you think they will reveal in tonight's episode? With Ben being the flashback?
I've heard that are two very important things that hapen tonight.

#1) we find out finally who Jacob is. Jack's dad? Penelope's dad? A new character? Cuse and lindeloff said they won't say if it's someone new or someone we've seen.

#2) Watch out for two words that Locke hears. They're supposed to change Locke's course on the island forever.

[T'Chaka]

#2) Watch out for two words that Locke hears. They're supposed to change Locke's course on the island forever.

Screenwriters' strike?

[VelvetGuru9]

Screenwriters' strike?
Warning Points :p

[T'Chaka]

Warning Points :p

Touché, unc.

[VelvetGuru9]

I just read a spoiler that is usually right on. Set your tivos and get ready to watch this one twice. Except for T'Chaka.

[T'Chaka]

Except for T'Chaka.

Because I'll just barely be able to get through one viewing.* It's funny 'cause it's true.










* unless it's another one of those pure hurley episodes! nice!

[bagman04]

Wow! That episode was intense! Ben is a smart prick!

[MSU]

Definately didn't see that episode coming...hot damn!!! Ben = sociopathic genius!

At least we now know why he had Locke kill his father...Ben has daddy issues!

It also solves the problem of "who is on the island?" and "what happened to the Dharma peeps?"

And seriously...how old is Nestor Campbell?????????

HIGHLIGHT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW:

Who here thinks Locke is dead?

[mike_houghton]

4 more were supposed to die right... i hope its not locke... i hope he survives... please

[Magnito]

Meh. I still have no intest in Ben, even after tonights episode.
Spoilers about tonights episode: (although, I am wondering who would be reading this thread if they didn't want spoilers)






When Ben and co. slaughtered the DHARMA guys en masse, did he even kill the girl who gave him the doll? Because seriously, if he did, that's cold. There is evil and then there is evil.

[absolutvt69]

Yeah... I have no idea what I think after that episode...

[theanalogkid]

To answer the spoiler question: No and I think we will not know until next year. It willbe interesting to see more of Ben's backstory.

[theanalogkid]

Spoiler Alert!!! I do not know how to do the cover up thing.









I think Jacob(or the island personified) will rescue Locke next year. Locke will replace Jacob as the island.

[JackAssterson]

Spoiler Alert!!! I do not know how to do the cover up thing.






1. Highlight the text

2. Go to the black "A" to the right of Sizes in the toolbar.

3. Click the down arrow and select Wheat. Wheat is to the right of the pinkish color on the far bottom left.

[ClownShoes]

And seriously...how old is Nestor Campbell?????????
This was my main question for the episode. So we now know the hostiles/original inhabitants took over and got rid of the Dharma folks and Ben is the only one who was not originally a hostile. So are Nestor's people immortal? Are most of the others like Nestor or is he in the minority. Nestor asked if Ben's mother died on the island. Is this an important question?

As far as the whole Jacob thing goes... I fully don't understand that so I'm not even going to speculate.

[cattmoe]

This was my main question for the episode. So we now know the hostiles/original inhabitants took over and got rid of the Dharma folks and Ben is the only one who was not originally a hostile. So are Nestor's people immortal? Are most of the others like Nestor or is he in the minority. Nestor asked if Ben's mother died on the island. Is this an important question?

As far as the whole Jacob thing goes... I fully don't understand that so I'm not even going to speculate.

Ok... I must have missed something. Who is Nestor Campbell? I thought the guy Ben ran into in the woods was Richard from his current camp. And where have we heard of Jacob before? Last night was teh first time I remember hearing of him.

[mike_houghton]

also didnt ben say he was one of the few who went over to the originals side

[Droppin Deuces]

They have mentioned Jacob a couple of times in reference to who is on his "list". The list that he made was the first set of people that they captured along with the children on the side of the island where the tail section landed. They might have slipped his name in somewhere else as well but I'm not exactly sure where it was. I want to say that it was during Ben's surgery.

[Droppin Deuces]

*Spoilers*

Just a thought that I had, what if the scene at the end where all the Dharma employees are dead is what Rousseau was talking about when all the people that she was on the island with got sick and died. Maybe she wasn't around when they gassed everyone and she was one of the only Dharma employees that got away? Just a theory.

[ClownShoes]

Ok... I must have missed something. Who is Nestor Campbell? I thought the guy Ben ran into in the woods was Richard from his current camp.
Yes it is Richard, I just forgot his character's name. Nestor is the actor's name.

[cattmoe]

Yes it is Richard, I just forgot his character's name. Nestor is the actor's name.

Ah, ok, thanks.

You know, this is all getting really confusing... does anyone know of a place where everything we've foudn out so far is laid out in a logical fashion? I kept thinking that Dharma and the Hanso foundation were essentially one and the same but now I'm not so sure... it's tough to keep everything straight.