LOST

[AZS]

First and foremost: This thread contains **Spoilers**!


Hey gang!
So, LOST is like a big cult hit, and rightfully so. The show is great, and there’s depth to it that has everyone talking and speculating what the deal is.

So I thought we could have an unofficial, but still Official, LOST thread.

I’ll start off with whatever details I can remember that I thought were significant.


People are speculating just what the island is. Some have said that they’re all dead and this is purgatory, but the creators have come out and shot down that myth. (Saying, why have some characters died if they’re already dead?)

Another note about the creators is that JJ Abrams is not against using the supernatural in mainstream stories and passing it off as perfectly OK. He’s done some downright weird stuff on Alias, so for LOST I’m open to the idea that literally anything is possible (magic, supernatural, aliens, anything.)


The main 14 characters look to be increasingly interconnected.
In the 3/2 episode (Hurley’s epp), there’s a throw away line that he owns a box company. Most likely it’s the box company where Locke worked!
Hurley was also on the TV in the background during the Korean guy’s episode.
Sawyer was in the background during another character’s episode, and other connections have been revealed like Sawyer’s relationship to Jack’s father.


There’s probably more to mention, but that’s enough to start with.

If you want to keep the discussion of the show going, subscribe to this thread and we’ll keep it up through the end of the season!

[Maximcards]

Could we get a thread like this for "24" I like LOST, but i haven't been able to watch it because of school....So i am just waiting for the DVD box set to come out.....

[MSU]

In the Hurley episode...what do the numbers mean? And why are they carved on the underground metal thang.

Are the monsters on the island a product of the little kid's imagination (like the Polar Bears from the GL comic book)?

Sawyer was in the background while Boone was at the police station in Sydney looking for his sister.

Why oh why did they want Claire's baby?

See...so many questions...no answers.

Did anyone else get a "awwww" feelings when Locke presented Claire with the birthday present of a cradle?

[4est]

This show is absolutely amazing. Each episode leaves me with few answers and more questions but its amazing.

I think what wowed me the most in Hurley's episode was that he actually has the money that he owes Walt for those games of backgammon :grin:

[AZS]

MSU, every answer presents us with more questions than it resolves.

We didn't learn anything more about the numbers than they were on the underground metal thing. However, when Hurley meets the widow in the outback, she tells him that her husband heard those numbers 16 years ago.
Which is also the amount of time that the French woman's distress call has been active.

As for Locke making the cradle for Claire, there was a snippet of that in Claire's dream several episodes ago. I wonder what kind of portent that is.

[Mar-vell]

Originally posted by 4est
I think what wowed me the most in Hurley's episode was that he actually has the money that he owes Walt for those games of backgammon :grin:
Ha! I didn't even think about that!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, the creators didn't totally disavow the Purgatory idea (if you're talking about the article in "Entertainment Weekly") - they said it was a good idea but then presented the puzzling question you mentioned. It could be that the "dead people" are "background" for Purgatory or that if a character dies while on the island they've failed and move on to a different part of Purgatory (or Afterlife altogether). I admit I don't totally buy the Purgatory idea but it's workable.

Here's something I've noticed about all the characters - most of them are involved in something a bit shady or unnatural. Look how many of them have experience with Death (usually dealt by their own hands). A fair number have been involved in criminal activity. The little boy has "psychic powers" or something - bad things happen when he's around - while Hurley is "cursed". Now, it could just be that the show only focuses on the unusual characters but why are they all the ones to have taken "leadership roles" on the island? These people bring an "unusual set of skills" to the table...which may be what their "captors" want.

[sniksder]

Locke is comming across to me as a
Obi Wan type of charactor, someone who knows what is troubling everyone, might have something to do with him facing the monster, in one of the earlier episodes.

Dont care for the way they hade the polar bear to be a part of the kids imagination, too much like the Twilight Zone epsiode were a kids thoughts also came to life..

I am still waiting for Jin to start speaking english....you just know he knows how to speak english.

And the biggest spoiler going around is one of the main charactors of the men is going to die, and will be betrayed by someone he thought was a allie....

[Cigarman]

Originally posted by azs

People are speculating just what the island is. Some have said that they’re all dead and this is purgatory, but the creators have come out and shot down that myth. (Saying, why have some characters died if they’re already dead?)



The producers must think we are stupid. They "died" because they resolved their "issues" and have gone on to either Heaven or Hell.

Pugatory theory still holds up as the best explaination so far.

Cigarman :laugh:

[MSU]

My friend have also commented that everyone seems to have a shady/mystical background, except for a few -

Kate - murderer/bank robber
Jack - turned his father in for drinking on the job
Sawyer - Murderer/con
Walt - freaky powers?
Michael - father of the freaky powers
Locke - sage/broken man now healed
Boone - kept bailing his sister out of/in love with his step-sister
Claire - has to keep baby for some reason (as told to her by psychic)
Charley - drugs/cons
Shannon - an all around snob/con
Sayed - soldier/killer?
Hurley - cursed fortune
Jin - worked for the mob
Sun - daughter of a mob boss

Hmmm...yeah, thats all I got right now....still an awesome show!

[MSU]

We have also brought up the theory of the 7 sins -

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

Somehow, some way...these sins apply to each of the characters...which goes back to the purgatory theory...they have to resolve this issues before moving on. The other people on the island are battling for their souls - they wanted Claire's baby because that is a clean soul - nothing has touched it yet.

[Socko]

Originally posted by 4est
This show is absolutely amazing. Each episode leaves me with few answers and more questions but its amazing.

I think what wowed me the most in Hurley's episode was that he actually has the money that he owes Walt for those games of backgammon :grin:



Thats great! I loved the scene of walt and hurley playing.... And hurley getting his butt handed to him...

If they get off the Island, Hurley would be like, "Dude, You know that money I owe you?.... Here ya go"

:laugh:


Love the show.

[CreatureByNite]

Awesome show. Didn't even put the box company thing together... Neat concept... I'll be watching this thread for sure... Thanks.

[GameTime]

LOST rocks! I haven't missed an episode yet. So what's up with the radio tower? How did it get there? Who started the broadcasting of the numbers? Plus, what do the numbers have to do with the hatch? Also, did you notice the numbers 8 and 15 come up all the time. That was the flight number, the locker number in Kates back story, a few other place I can't think of and 8 and 15 where 2 of the number is the lotery as well! What could that mean?

[de4dp00l]

The numbers episode was the best one yet. I have a love/hate relationship with the show. I mean, I love it, but everytime they leave a big cliffhanger and then show repeats for a week or more, it drives me absolutely insane.

So last night, they show the numbers on the bunker or whatever it is, play the creepy music, and then show us previews of next weeks repeat!!

Anyway, my personal theory is that there's something trapped in that bunker that Locke and Boone are trying to open, and that's what's been drawing people to the island. The French woman indicated that they picked up the numbers being broadcasted from the island, which is what ultimately lead them to be shipwrecked there. Hurley got the numbers from a guy in an asylum, who had in turn got them from a radio operator who picked them up years in the past, as well, so presumably it was the same broadcast from the island. This eventually led Hurley (and the plane) to the island.

[sniksder]

get ready for 5 weeks of repeats

next new episode is April 13th

[BoosterGold]

Google the movie "Forbidden Planet" and Shakespear's play "The Tempest"

remarkable similarities...

:rolleyes:

[AZS]

Originally posted by de4dp00l
This eventually led Hurley (and the plane) to the island.
Hurley said he thought he was responsible for the plane crashing, because he was cursed.
But I think that everyone on the plane was destined to end up there, the numbers were just the path that led Hurley there.
(Clair was led there due to her baby, Sawyer - revenge, Jack - his father, etc.)

Another reason (or few) that I don't think the island is Purgatory:
1 - That would be a horrible, huge, cop-out for an otherwise excellent show.
2 - Ethan killed Steve, and was in turn killed by Charley. That doesn't really call out to some grand controller moving people on who finish their time in purgatory. It seems too random.
3 - Executive producer JJ Abrams has been doing weird things on Alias for 4 years and hasn't brought up god or religion yet. That's not his playground. He preferes weird seeming coincidences that come together over a long and convoluted story (IE, the Rembaldi stuff on Alias).


Also, anyone else wondering what Hurley was doing in the mental institute where he met the numbers guy?

(Trivia note: the actor who plays Hurley played a drug dealer on Curb Your Enthusiasm, so him getting arrested and saying "How could they mistake me for a drug dealer" was a nod to that role. :) )

[Stepper79]

I have read several accounts that state that everyone who is on the island is there for a reason, that they were put on that flight. Clarie was told to be on that exact flight, jack was having trouble getting on an earlier one if I remeber correctly.

I have also seen reference to the Star Trek TOS episode called "Shore Leave" where what ever the crew imagined would come alive which might explain the Polar bears and the 'other" monster.

this is one of the few shows that I get nervous watching as I wait for what happens next

[de4dp00l]

Originally posted by azs
Hurley said he thought he was responsible for the plane crashing, because he was cursed.
But I think that everyone on the plane was destined to end up there, the numbers were just the path that led Hurley there.
(Clair was led there due to her baby, Sawyer - revenge, Jack - his father, etc.)


That's entirely possible, but I suspect that Hurley will show up in a lot of backstories at some point. Most of the main characters on that plane weren't necessarily there because they wanted to be. Jack was just taking the first flight back that he could with his father. Kate was being extradited back to the states. I'm guessing that Sawyer was either on the run, or was being exported (remember that he was being hauled through the police station when Boone was in there). I missed Locke's backstory, but I suspect that he's the only one who didn't leave Australia with some sort of crisis at hand. My guess is that Hurley sort of pulled all of them into his wake, and while I think that there be a pattern to who ended up on the island, I think he was the tool that was used to get them there.

[thugit]

I have 2 problems with the show:

It comes on at the same time as Smallville. Sorry, I have to be a fanboy and watch it.



The other is that just like Alias, if you miss one single episode, you're out of the loop. For those of us that have missed MOST of them, it's pointless to even try....

[Wrecker]

Originally posted by sniksder
get ready for 5 weeks of repeats

next new episode is April 13th

I really hope that isn't true. I can't wait that long.

[sniksder]

Originally posted by Wrecker
I really hope that isn't true. I can't wait that long.


sorry but it is..... :(

[Rokk_Krinn]

I have to be the only person who sees the repeats as a welcome bit of news - I'm on the road for business and it makes keeping track of "Lost" difficult when there are new episodes. :)

Y'know, I like Locke - one of my favourites - but there's something not quite right about the guy. Not sure I would call him Obi-Wan...something tells me he's a bit darker than people are realizing.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Y'know, I like Locke - one of my favourites - but there's something not quite right about the guy. Not sure I would call him Obi-Wan...something tells me he's a bit darker than people are realizing.

I am half expecting him to try and become the leader here. He seems to be trying to get followers under his belt. I just dont trust him. It was about time that they got the big guys background done. I just knew it would be good.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by MSU

Jack - turned his father in for drinking on the job


I also think there's a good story behind Jack's tattoos. :)

As for Saeid (sp?) you had a ? next to "killer" and I think he's pretty much vouched that he's done as much. You should also put down "torturer" - he is not a very nice man, IMHO.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
I also think there's a good story behind Jack's tattoos. :)

As for Saeid (sp?) you had a ? next to "killer" and I think he's pretty much vouched that he's done as much. You should also put down "torturer" - he is not a very nice man, IMHO.

The thing is Saeid wants to be a nice man. Which is the reason why he left to go explore the island.

[Wyldstaar]

From what I've read about the upcoming episodes, we're going to be introduced to a lot more of the other castaways on the island besides the ones that have been focused on so far. For instance, there's the black woman who's convinced that her husband is still alive. She just dropped off the radar. The Hurley episode also brought up a subject that most of us are confused about- The Monster. Hurley, like the rest of us, doesn't understand why everyone is totally ignoring the fact that they're all stranded on an island with a huge creature of an unknown nature. Locke has gone eye to eye with it, walked away unharmed, and hasn't said a word about it since. The earlier comment about The Tempest/Forbidden Planet does seem appropriate.

[CREED]

Originally posted by azs
Another reason (or few) that I don't think the island is Purgatory:
1 - That would be a horrible, huge, cop-out for an otherwise excellent show.



:devious:Wow-as one of the earliest proponents of the "Purgatory Theory"words like "horrible cop-out"are hugely degrading.I don't think anybody really has any idea what's truly going on.For all we know the thing Locke and Boone are digging up is a huge UFO-THAT'S TRANSMITTING SIGNALS TO MANKIND!!!!It's controlling the whole shebang!!!Claire's baby could be a demon too-Nobody knows,but it's fun to watch!!!!!!!

[Cigarman]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn


Y'know, I like Locke - one of my favourites - but there's something not quite right about the guy. Not sure I would call him Obi-Wan...something tells me he's a bit darker than people are realizing.

He IS a GAMER after all. :devious:

One of us!....One of us!....One of us!....

Cigarman :laugh:

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Well, the creators didn't totally disavow the Purgatory idea (if you're talking about the article in "Entertainment Weekly") - they said it was a good idea but then presented the puzzling question you mentioned. It could be that the "dead people" are "background" for Purgatory or that if a character dies while on the island they've failed and move on to a different part of Purgatory (or Afterlife altogether). I admit I don't totally buy the Purgatory idea but it's workable.



The angle I was taking on this was that people "die" on the island when their fate has been determined. In other words, once they are slated for Heaven or Hell, it's curtain for that person. Yeah, it's a flimsy theory, but Riggs and Murtaugh started with a flimsy theory and ended up bringing down a gang of ex-Special Forces drug smugglers...

[Grinner]

Originally posted by CREED
:devious:Wow-as one of the earliest proponents of the "Purgatory Theory"words like "horrible cop-out"are hugely degrading.

Oh come on, like having people think your ideas are stupid isn't a daily occurrence :p ;)

I came into the show late and have been playing catch up. It does seem very appropriate to have a discussion of Lost on a clix board, though. We play Wednesday nights at Creed's tattoo parlor, making sure the map is set up so that we can see the TV to watch Lost :squareeye

And personally, I see more of the Emperor in Locke than Obi-Wan. :devious:

[CREED]

:devious: Locke is Hannibal Lechter-I know he is!!!!!
bub-plenty of people are sporting my stupid ideas.One time this guy came in to have a Cheshire cat tattooed!!!!!;)

[Zatara55]

OK..so maybe Locke worked at the box company that Hurley owned. Is it possible that's how he ended up in a wheelchair (the plant burned down I think)?

I'm also wondering if the pregnant woman that died under Jack's father's care is related to someone on the island. Maybe the father is on the island.

The flight number was 815. Supposedly the bank deposit box Maggie robbed was 815. And of course 8 and 15 are two of the winning numbers.

[CREED]

Let's not forget Jack's "zombie"daddy is walking around as well!!!!!!!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by CREED
Let's not forget Jack's "zombie"daddy is walking around as well!!!!!!!

Or he's a ghost. :)

Locke, on the other hand, is pretty certain it's the island playing with Jack's mind...

[sniksder]

Season 1 General Spoilers:

* 03/08 - Locke is responsible for the character's death...but not in the way you think, this person dies because of something Locke has done. Walt knows far more than he should. Source: Kristin on E!Online
* 03/06 - The hatch and Locke's backstory (including how he was handicapped, but can now walk) are interrelated. Source: Lost-Media (Thanks Dee for the tip.)
* 03/01 - When the BIG castmember dies off, Claire's baby will be born .... And Jack will NOT be the one to deliver it. The ultimate reason for the death will be the ultimate betrayal from someone he believes to be his trusted ally. But I will say that when I say BIG character, it is not a reference to anyone's size. Lost will return with new episodes on April 13th and we'll get more backstory on Locke, Jack, Sayid and Kate (in that order) before the season ender which will take the life of one of the beloved ten men. Source: Kristin on E!Online

[Croaker]

I haven't watched a single episode (mostly b/c I didn't want to get sucked in), but it sounds great. Maybe I'll pick it up on DVD when it comes out. But, I do have a question:

It sounds like it's a lot like The Prisoner; is it? (The Island, The Village)

[sniksder]

Originally posted by Croaker It sounds like it's a lot like The Prisoner; is it? (The Island, The Village)

not really, but it does remind you of that

no one has yet attempted to leave the island, other than Michael building the boat and his son burning it, cause he was tired of moving, stupid reason, but they are in the process of rebuilding the boat.

[BretSports2]

Thanks for the great info Sniksder! I would love to find out how Locke was paralyzed, and how after a plane crash, not only does he get the feeling in his legs back, but he can hunt and carry 100+ lb wild boar like its nothing ... so I hope your information is accurate and they start back up with his backstory again. To me, his whole story is the strangest and the most important to all of this ... love the show!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by sniksder

no one has yet attempted to leave the island, other than Michael building the boat and his son burning it, cause he was tired of moving, stupid reason, but they are in the process of rebuilding the boat.

I didn't think it was that stupid of a reason at all. it fit in great with child psychology - especially the psych of this kid. Let's be honest - he's a very selfish little brat in a way. He wants attention and when he didn't get it, *bam* some animal bites the dust. :) Mind you, most kids - even well-behaved ones - are in their own way a bit self-centered, not understanding the world around them...but this kid is snotty about it. :) He'd just been shuffled away by his adopted father to a father he doesn't know that makes the boy do _work_ and, well, the kid doesn't like it. He's got friends on the island - like Locke - and figures if he gets back to NY that's all over.

[Dread Pirate J]

To me, Locke is less Obi-Wan and more Kasparov. He sees the plight on the island as a game like Chess or Backgammon - a contest between the "light and the dark" (don't forget his eyes in Claire's dream).

Locke has identified the POSSIBLE deliberate nature of their situation and he has decided to get HIS "pieces" ready for the upcoming confrontation. By helping some of his fellow castaways to unburden themselves of their "luggage" (so to speak), he gets them ready for the game, whatever it is.

Is there a prize? Is it Claire's baby? There's still a lot of wiggle room for the writers. Despite the vast interconnectedness among the castaway, it actually all could still be a bunch of abnormally monstrous coincidences.

With a show like this, the fun is in the POTENTIAL more than the ACTUAL.

[bootkneelee]

How cool was it when the lady told Hurley "I guess the numbers could be unlucky" and he was soooo relived?

And then to see the numbers on that bunker....freaky... I really like Lost, and it's true the more they tell us the more confused we become.

I do think Jin knows how to speak english,[his wife was talking to him in english and I could swear he understood] and he's a chump for not making it work with his wife. But I digress.

Seeing Hurley on the TV in Korea was like "Wow!"

And the Box factory, totally missed the connection.

I only hope and pray that the show dosen't go one like this for 3 or 4 years and then they just end it with a stupid "it was all a dream" type ending.

In the back of my mind I thought the kid burned the boat.... Kids, gotta love them!

[Wrecker]

I just read somewhere that Lost is returning on March 30, and not April 13 like was originally predicted. That makes the wait for new Lost episodes easier. (If it's true)

[Zatara55]

I can't recall if this was mentioned. Why was Sayid in Australia?

[Wyldstaar]

I don't believe they've gotten around to Sayid's purpose in going to Australia yet. He's only gotten the backstory in Iraq so far.

[voNvinGeLimeR]

I too have been curious as to the significance (which I'm sure there is)
of the older black woman who lost her husband early on during the crash.
Jack spent the most time with her and later following him Charley. Most
of those conversations had some spiritual/faith angle and I can't imagine
that those conversations were just throw away dialogue to fill out those episodes.

Something big is coming involving her...I'll bet Hurley's fortune on it.

[sniksder]

Medical problems abound, as Jack toys with letting Sawyer suffer from his blinding headaches and Locke develops strange symptoms of his own while trying to crack open that enigmatic hatch. Meanwhile, the rift between Michael and Jin makes work on the raft quite a chore. Emily: Swoosie Kurtz. Cooper: Kevin Tighe. Eddie: George O'Hanlon. Source: TitanTV


Boone becomes concerned when Locke suffers physical problems while they try to find a way into the mysterious hatch. Meanwhile, Jack is reluctant to help when Sawyer starts to experience excruciating headaches, and Michael and Jin struggle to communicate while working together on the raft. Source: ABC

Matthew Fox confirmed that Jack does not die. He has says the death will lead to a divide with the island survivers. Source: Advocate Magazine

ABC will air a one-hour "introductory guide" to Lost. The special is designed to help new viewers catch up on the series' sometimes dense mythology as well as act as a refresher course for regular fans. The "Lost" special, set to air on Wednesday, April 27 at 8:00/7:00c (the show's regular time period), will focus on the characters of Jack (Matthew Fox), Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Locke (Terry O'Quinn), Sawyer (Josh Holloway) and Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) and retell their respective backstories in a linear fashion. It's unclear however how the clips will be introduced and if the hour will include any "behind-the-scenes"-type footage. Source: TheFutonCritic

[AZS]

Lost returns tonight with a new episode!

Locke - centric!

From AintItCoolNews:
Variety reports Wednesday morning that the May 25 season finale of “Lost” will be two hours long (at the Paley fest a few weeks ago, producers said it’d be 90 minutes). This means the series’ first season is 25 hours.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Hmm...shouldn't some mod (azs maybe? :) ) be bribed to move this to the TV/Movies sub-forum? :)


Even though I know by nature of the thread, SPOILERS is implied, I figure I'll still throw in some "safety room"....







So anyone else watch tonight's episode, look at what I guess was supposed to be an attempt to make Locke seem much younger and go, "Holy cow! It's Randy Quaid?"

On a more serious note, you just know there has to be more to the plane than "drug dealing" (anyone else wonder about the fact that it smuggles heroine considering Charley's on the island?)

[darius_dax1]

I think the Isalnd is a cruel b###h of a mistress. I think the heroine will be a future test for Charlie. Maybe it is just metaphors and coded meanings. The light going on in the "bunker" at the ;ast second should be interesting.

[Rokk_Krinn]

*nods* Yep, I also was debating the fact if the Island (i.e.: who or whatever's in charge) isn't just a sadist. Making Locke go through all that for nothing.

Frankly, I think Locke should just use the heroine to hook everyone on the island and become Ultimate Master (at least until the stash wears out). :) *jk*

[Cigarman]

It's spelled Heroin, not Heroine. I was first developed by Bayer Pharmaceuticals and named for the "heroic" way it conquered pain. You could buy it over the counter at a time when you needed a doctors perscription for Bayer Aspirin.

Re: Tonights Ep.
No wonder Locke is so messed up.
Next week looks like a killer episode.

Cigarman :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Yes, yes...so I made a spelling error. It happens (esp. when you keep switching topics between comic characters and drugs :) ). *tosses his M.D. out the window*

I mean, if we really want to get technical, you do have punctuation errors in your post, but let's just discuss Lost instead, eh? ;)

[GroovyBoy]

Okay, I missed tonight's episode... what happened?

[Wyldstaar]

For those of you who missed it such as GroovyBoy, we got another look at Locke's past. He's a former foster child, who's wealthy father needed his kidney and tricked him into giving it to him, then dumped him like a red headed stepchild again. He began losing sensation in his legs again, but it was apparently either in his head or the Island gave them back again at the end. I don't know why Rokk Krinn think's Locke went through the ordeal of the episode for nothing though. It wasn't for nothing. As Locke was kneeling over the hatch window screaming at it, a light came on inside and he looked in. Yet another deep dark secret of the Island is revealed only to Locke. First the Creature goes eye to eye with him and lets him live, and now this.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Actually I said I considered the possibility - not that I definitely think it was for nothing - that the "Island" is a bit of a sadist. Think of it this way - it could have revealed the light without dragging Locke to the plane and messing with his legs. Actually though, I do believe I said there has to be more to the plane than just "drug dealing" - my comment about sadism was in response to a post by Darius.

Something that was not mentioned so far in the thread is that Boone is critically - perhaps fatally (looking at teasers for next episode) - injured while investigating the downed Beechcraft airplane. Is this going to be the loss of our first "major" cast member?

[BretSports2]

Ok, from one of the TV spoiler websites, we know that a major character WILL die soon, we know that Jack will NOT be delivering the baby because he is working on the dying character at the time. Unless they REALLy twist things up, based on the preview for next week, I think it's a safe guess that Boone dies, while the baby is being born. Bye, Bye Boone ... sorry to see ya gooooooo.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Yeah, and then we're going to find out Boone's soul went into the baby. :) I'll resist making too blatant of a comment about the baby's odd attraction to Boone's step-sister...

(Yes, that's meant as a tongue-in-cheek joke about the way Lost loves to twist us around :) )

[bootkneelee]

I like Locke alot but I think it was messed up that he left out the part about Boone being all bloody and messed up.

It was a great episode, but once again, they have given us more questions than answers.

[Wyldstaar]

It suddenly occurs to me that I've heard all of these sorts of comments before, but in referance to something else. Mysterious supernatural circumstances, conspiracies.. The Truth is Out There! Lost is our replacement for the X-Files! Instead of Cancer Man, we've got Crazy French Woman. Jack and Kate are Mulder and Scully. Locke is sorta like Deep Throat. The weekly wierdo's are all on the island with them, so they don't have to wait for Mulder to hear about an abduction near a crop circle or some other nonsense. Then again, maybe I'm reaching. Anyone?

[AZS]

** Spoiler **








Ok, so on the 4/6 epp, Boone dies. I don't think that really comes as a surprise to anyone. If you've been following any of the spoilers, you knew a "major" cast member (meaning one of the featured 14) was going to bite the dust before the end of the season.

They threw a red herring to us mid season when Charlie was hung, but, well he got better.

But after last week's cliff hanger (litterally and figuratively), there wasn't much suspense over who would be taking a dirt nap. At least it didn't come as a surprise for me.

Besides that, we got a little flashback into Jack's life.

Did anyone else find this particular flashback kinda pointless? Basically it just showed that Jack was married. Yeah there was a little bit about him learning to "let go." But it didn't really reveal much at all about his character. It also didn't give us any kind of time frame. Was he married 4 months ago, or 4 years? Is he still married? Do we really care?

[Miraclo]

Originally posted by Wyldstaar
It suddenly occurs to me that I've heard all of these sorts of comments before, but in referance to something else. Mysterious supernatural circumstances, conspiracies.. The Truth is Out There! Lost is our replacement for the X-Files! Instead of Cancer Man, we've got Crazy French Woman. Jack and Kate are Mulder and Scully. Locke is sorta like Deep Throat. The weekly wierdo's are all on the island with them, so they don't have to wait for Mulder to hear about an abduction near a crop circle or some other nonsense. Then again, maybe I'm reaching. Anyone?

What the fans of Lost are hoping for is that unlike The X=Files, there's been a Truth in place behind the scenes all along. I forget how many seasons it was into the X-Files that Chris Carter all but admitted they were making it up as they went along, something I'd suspected from the start and part of the reason I'd never become a fan of the show -- especially the "mythology" episodes concerning the conspiracies, Mulder's father and sister, etc. My impression from the start was that they had no idea how to work that out, and kept piling more "information" onto it expecting FOX to cancel them before they'd get to wrapping it up. Each renewal probably made them a little more nervous about that.

I only really enjoyed the more stand-alone ones. The two that really stand out for me were the "Jose Chung" episode and the one where Peter Boyle played the insurance salesman with the depressing power to see how people will die.

Heh. I can't say much about Lost because I didn't get on board at the beginning and so have been - aside from light and irregular viewing - giving it a miss until they rerun it in sequence over the summer.

[bootkneelee]

Last nights episode was the one of the few that did not leave us with a ton of more questions . It was a nice tight begininng to end story. I read the spoiler last week so it was like watchinga train wreck in slow motion. Suprisingly that's not such a bad thing!

Next weeks should be very interesting!

And Miralco I really hope they are not making this up as they go along.... :( that would not be cool at all....

[cattmoe]

I don't think they are. Unlike the X-files, there seems to be a method to the madness here.
I am definitely hooked on this show more than I have been on anything on television in years - but trying to piece everything together just makes my head hurt...

[ILIKESTORIES]

I kind of like that they mentioned he was married but didn't give any other details. I am getting a little tired of the "flip" setup, where Jack is talking to his buddy who it appears to be getting married, but wait . . .It's Jack who is getting married. Then it looks like Jack is going to back out but. . .he goes through with it. Anyone who has watched enough television like I have can call those "turns" from a mile out. But besides that, I enjoyed the episode. I can't believe there have been 20 already!

[Wrecker]

Lost won't return until May 4 I think. You'll have to wait almost a month for new episodes.

[WakandaMan]

Man I wish I could participate in this thread, cause I'm loving Lost, but unfortunately we're behind you guys in the States over here in Australia. I'm writing this post without reading through any of this thread so as not to spoil myself.

This week we just had the Sawyer episode in which he gets tortured by Sahid and Jack. Looks like next week will be Sahid's episode from the preview.

Can someone on here please send me a PM letting me know where it is up to in the States. Is it over there? Are they making another season? Please no Spoilers, just info.

Thanks!

[darthnader]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Man I wish I could participate in this thread, cause I'm loving Lost, but unfortunately we're behind you guys in the States over here in Australia.

Can someone on here please send me a PM letting me know where it is up to in the States. Is it over there? Are they making another season? Please no Spoilers, just info.

Thanks! Done!

[Mar-vell]

Originally posted by darthnader
Done! Aw, beat me to it!

[WakandaMan]

Thanks to you guys that sent me PMs. I'm glad that we're not SO FAR behind, but we're still a fair way back. The show is doing really well here as well- I heard it's currently the "Most watched show in Australia". It probably helps that it has a strong Aussie connection too.

It's cool that there's so many genuine australian characters in it. Nice change from seeing actors with poor accents. ;)

Oh, and I must clear something up. In the episode I just saw, the Pregnant chick (forgot her name) said that she is the 'only person in Australia who likes Peanut Butter." What? That's a really dumb thing to say. Plenty of people here like Peanut Butter. I like Peanut Butter! :devious: Is that because all us Australian's supposedly eat is Vegemite or what?!

Anyway, aside from that small gripe, I'm loving it. I'm currently pondering who the heck hit Sahid on the head (my theory is that it's that black woman who we haven't seen for a few episodes). And I'm REALLY looking forward to Hurley's episode. DUDE! ;)

Hey azs, shouldn't this thread have been moved to that handy new TV/Movies sub-forum? :p

[Miraclo]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Oh, and I must clear something up. In the episode I just saw, the Pregnant chick (forgot her name) said that she is the 'only person in Australia who likes Peanut Butter." What? That's a really dumb thing to say. Plenty of people here like Peanut Butter. I like Peanut Butter! :devious: Is that because all us Australian's supposedly eat is Vegemite or what?!

Of course not. You're also fond of shrimp on the barbie and Fosters beer. Perhaps wallaby, too. TV teaches us many things. ;)

[Grinner]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Hey azs, shouldn't this thread have been moved to that handy new TV/Movies sub-forum? :p

Of course not. It's lost. It's miles away from where it's supposed to be. :laugh:

[WakandaMan]

Originally posted by Miraclo
Of course not. You're also fond of shrimp on the barbie and Fosters beer. Perhaps wallaby, too. TV teaches us many things. ;)

Ewww...shrimp! :confused:

Haven't had Wallaby, but Kangaroo is really nice. Emu is good too, and Crocodile tastes a lot like chicken.

;)

(the scary thing is, I have actually eaten those animals. Talk about perpetuating stereotypes! :eek: )

Anyway, I'm going to run away from this thread now, before I accidentally read some spoilers! :classic:

[AZS]

Hey, did anyone catch the chatter on the radio when Boone was in the plane?

I read this on another site, and just heard it again in a comercial over the weekend.

Boone - "Hello! hello! We're the survivors of flight 817!"
Voice - "No, we're the survivors of flight 817!"

Supposedly, this was intentionally garbeled to make it sound like "There were no survivors of 817" to generate some furvor among the fans. But in the comercial clip it was pretty clear (that, and TiVo helped me listed to it a few times just to make sure!)

So, what does that mean? Some suggestions are that there's survivors from the Tail Section on the other side of the island!


(Nothing to substantiate this here, just my own thoughts...)
How cool / weird / clever / mindbending would it be to start season 2 on the other side of the island with a whole different group of survivors. They could start over from the plane crash (day 1) and go through a whole second season, intertwining it with Season 1's shows (like they could meet the french woman, and be the people that actually drove her out of her lair), etc. Then at the end of the season both sides would meet.

Yeah, that's unlikely to happen (mostly due to actor contracts, how do you keep 1/2 the cast on retainer for a whole year?), but it would be interesting!

[Socko]

woah! NICE work azs, didnt hear about it/that.

[de4dp00l]

Originally posted by WakandaMan
Ewww...shrimp! :confused:

Haven't had Wallaby, but Kangaroo is really nice. Emu is good too, and Crocodile tastes a lot like chicken.

;)

(the scary thing is, I have actually eaten those animals. Talk about perpetuating stereotypes! :eek: )

Anyway, I'm going to run away from this thread now, before I accidentally read some spoilers! :classic:

Heck, I've eaten Ostrich and Alligator, and I'm not even Australian (and yes, I know they're not the same as Emu and Crocodile - but close enough).

[cattmoe]

Awesome theory azs, that would be great! I kind of doubt it too but honestly, at this point nothing would surprise me on this show...

[IronFist]

Originally posted by azs
Hey, did anyone catch the chatter on the radio when Boone was in the plane?

I read this on another site, and just heard it again in a comercial over the weekend.

Boone - "Hello! hello! We're the survivors of flight 817!"
Voice - "No, we're the survivors of flight 817!"



I saw the commercial, and thought it was a bit odd that it was crystal-clear in the commercial, but pretty garbled during the actual show. I thought they said "There were no survivors of flight 817." The idea of starting a new season with survivors from the tail section is pretty cool. I don't know how they could pull it off with an ensemble cast, though.

[EmperorNorton]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by de4dp00l
Heck, I've eaten Ostrich and Alligator, and I'm not even Australian (and yes, I know they're not the same as Emu and Crocodile - but close enough). [/QUOTE

I've had ostrich (yummy!), crocodile and kangaroo, too, so what's the big deal?

LOST started last week in Germany and after watching the first few episodes I really like it. It's great how they play with stereotypes.

[AZS]

Originally posted by IronFist
The idea of starting a new season with survivors from the tail section is pretty cool. I don't know how they could pull it off with an ensemble cast, though. As cool as I think it would be, they really can't do that.
For one, hitting the reset button like that would probably lose more viewers than it gained. And like I said, what do you do with the other 13 actors you set up in season 1? They couldn't get jobs on another series if they know they're coming back soon, and they wouldn't get paid for sitting around.

On the other hand, if they just did a short 3 episode arc like that, that could be cool. :)

[IronFist]

Originally posted by azs
On the other hand, if they just did a short 3 episode arc like that, that could be cool. :)

My initial thought on your theory/storyline was a half-season or so.

[Funky Jett]

Things that make you go Ooooooooooo...

If you add all the digits of the numbers plus Hurley's worth in America ($156 mil) 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2+1+5+6=48 which is the same number of the original survivors on the island.

If you add up the numbers, 4+8+15+16+23+42=108, and subtract that from Hurley's net worth (156-108=48), again, it equals the number of survivors.

[cattmoe]

Originally posted by Funky Jett
Things that make you go Ooooooooooo...

If you add all the digits of the numbers plus Hurley's worth in America ($156 mil) 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2+1+5+6=48 which is the same number of the original survivors on the island.

If you add up the numbers, 4+8+15+16+23+42=108, and subtract that from Hurley's net worth (156-108=48), again, it equals the number of survivors.

Ok, that's creepy...

Maybe instead of airing a whole season of other survivors, they'll do a short arc to introduce them, then start replacing the flashbacks with them so that we still get to see the main cast and them too. I like the flashbacks, and concievaly they could go on forever... but it just seems like there may be a point where they start to get annoying.

[DorkGirl]

First off I gotta say ... I am obsessed with this show, and no one around me watches it. I'm so glad I found this thread.

That being said ...

When I first heard the radio transmission with Boone, my first reaction was that the black woman's husband is still alive and on the island.

Like so many other people said, there are way too many questions left open, so I set the VCR if I'm not going to be home. I also found a good web site for episode transcripts. I've been trying to read them to pick up on little things I missed. The down side, you miss the visual connections (like Hurley on the TV and Sawyer at the police station).

http://anthology.webphilia.com/lost.html

Must Watch Lost!

[ILIKESTORIES]

Quick question, this has been bugging me for a while, how many times has the monster "appeared". Obviously at least once, for sure, when the pilot was killed in the 1st ep, and I loosely remember Locke staring it down. But are there any other occurences (besides drug enduced dream sequences) that I'm forgetting? Just curious. . .

[cattmoe]

Well, I was always a little confused... is the monster different from the polar bear? I thought they were one and the same.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by ILIKESTORIES
Quick question, this has been bugging me for a while, how many times has the monster "appeared". Obviously at least once, for sure, when the pilot was killed in the 1st ep, and I loosely remember Locke staring it down. But are there any other occurences (besides drug enduced dream sequences) that I'm forgetting? Just curious. . .
I think you are right, just twice, but I have missed a couple episodes. It appears to be different from the polar bear, but you can't tell for sure. I doubt they would keep the thing hidden in one scene, then show it completely in another, just to hide it again later.

[Wyldstaar]

Originally posted by cattmoe
Well, I was always a little confused... is the monster different from the polar bear? I thought they were one and the same.

The "Monster" and the polar bear are not the same. Remember, the pilot was snatched up by the creature while he was twenty or thirty feet above the ground. Polar bears aren't that tall. Also, the 'Monster' was first noticed as it was moving through the jungle and knocking trees out of it's path. Polar bears aren't in the habit of doing that either, especially since they aren't big enough to manage it anyway.

[EmperorNorton]

Can somebody please give me the heads up about how many episodes have aired in the US so far?

[Funky Jett]

http://www.tvtome.com/lost/ has a show-by-show plot synopsis, plus all kinds of trivia for each individual episode.

[Funky Jett]

Try this link instead -> Lost (http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/)

(The first link needed a capital L instead of a lowercase l)

[EmperorNorton]

Got it, thanks.

That means I caught up with you guys.
I have watched episodes 3-20 over the last three days.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Finally got in my latest issue of "Entertainment Weekly" and thought you guys might want to know that it's cover story is on "Lost", including an interview with "Boone" about the death of his character and a few teasers about upcoming episodes.

Oh, and they also have almost the exact same "X-Files dissection" (why they're not as similar as people think because they don't want to drag out the mythology) that we did on this board. :)

[Mar-vell]

Originally posted by azs
Hey, did anyone catch the chatter on the radio when Boone was in the plane?

I read this on another site, and just heard it again in a comercial over the weekend.

Boone - "Hello! hello! We're the survivors of flight 817!"
Voice - "No, we're the survivors of flight 817!"

Supposedly, this was intentionally garbeled to make it sound like "There were no survivors of 817" to generate some furvor among the fans. But in the comercial clip it was pretty clear (that, and TiVo helped me listed to it a few times just to make sure!)
I really wish I had seen that commercial. Not that I doubt you or anything, its just that you got the flight number wrong. Its 815, like Hurley's numbers and the ones from the hatch.

I'm sure that isn't what you were paying attention to when you listened. But it still makes me wonder if this isn't like that clip from Alladin where he tells Jasmine to take off her clothes. ;) You know, maybe you read about it on the internet and once you knew what to listen for, you couldn't hear anything else. The site posted by DorkGirl shows the voice's response as:
burst of static "... survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

Of course, Iron Fist also says that the commercial was much clearer. Plus I've thought all along that the black woman was right and there were other survivors.

Either way, I think your idea is great. Although you're right about it only lasting for a few episodes.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Nah, azs is right - even if he misremembered the flight # - as not only have others heard it but it's even briefly talked about in the aforementioned "Entertainment Weekly".

[Mar-vell]

Cool, I'm gonna have to pick up that "Entertainment Weekly".

[Zatara55]

The commercial was much clearer. I think the producers realized that there was some confusion and cleared it up for the commercial.

So, who was on the other end of the transmission? I'm thinking it was the survivors in the future.

[supermangl1]

I have a question for the viewers of Lost, now I just got cable so I have no clue what is going on, my sister was telling me about a comic book being in the show.

I have no clue if it was important or not, but I would like to know, because I love comic books, which comic book it was.

So if anyone could share that info with me, I would be very grateful.

[sniksder]

Any thoughts on who the next to die is, rumored to happen on the last sho of this season.:ermm:

[CapSpalding]

I have absolutely nothing to back this up with, but I suspect that the cute girl checking out Jack as he plays the piano at the hotel will turn out to be Kate.

I don't think that Boone is evil, I just think that he's looking at a Bigger Pic than most of the other castaways.

The EW article mentions that by season's end we will definitively find out who hit Saayid (don't really think thats the spelling, just trying to contribute yet another variation of it). My initial guess was Jin, just because there was a block of time in that episode he vanished, but now that we know how much he genuinely wants off the island he seems unlikely. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out to be Walt, that little troublemaker.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by supermangl1
I have a question for the viewers of Lost, now I just got cable so I have no clue what is going on, my sister was telling me about a comic book being in the show.

I have no clue if it was important or not, but I would like to know, because I love comic books, which comic book it was.

So if anyone could share that info with me, I would be very grateful.

Sure. Remember about, lesse, I guess five years ago, there was a mini-series focusing on the relationship between the Green Lanterns and the Flashes? Basically in it we find out that initially Alan and Jay didn't hit it off, nor did Hal and Barry and as the mini finishes up, it's one of the "transition" issues for the friendship between Kyle and Wally. The comic in the story was a GL/Flash issue with Kyle & Wally, polar bears and outer space. I can't remember the exact issue # off-hand (of the actual issue - we never see the cover long enough in the show to read it...I just recognized it because I have it :) ). Oh, and the comic in the show was in Spanish (foreign publication). It's ashes now though - one of the characters got angry at his son and chucked it in the fire.

[supermangl1]

Hey Rokk, long time no see! Once again I must thank you for sharing from the well of knowledge. Thanks, I will now track down this comic, hopefully I'll get to see the show sometime, if it wouldn't come on Wednesday everything would be all right....thanks again.

[Evil_Ernie]

and the comics in spanish too . dont know if that helps...Lost and Sealab 2021/Harvey birdman. the only non-porn hour and a half of tv I watch weekly.

[R0GUE]

Here is a summary of that GL/Flash comic book.

http://www.glcorps.org/alien-x.html

[Mar-vell]

So this thread still isn't in the right forum...

Anyone want to comment on last night's episode?

[AZS]

Last night's episode was good, but it didn't reveal anything relavent to the island. It was mostly about Syied's back story (which was pretty cool), but not much else. I don't even think it moved the story forward very much. Other than showing how they're progressing with the raft.

The biggest revalation was that it was Locke who knocked out Syied way back in the first few episodes. And even that was defused pretty easily, like it wasn't a big deal.

[Manchine]

Yeah but next episode they show everyone the HATCH!

[R0GUE]

Yup! I hope they get in the darn thing!

[Funky Jett]

Yeah but next episode they show everyone the HATCH!
Yeah, and inside they find Richard Hatch from Survivor 1

[cattmoe]

It might have just been me reading too much into it, but when they showed Locke's face after Shannon tried to shoot him, he looked a lot like Ethan, the crazy guy that tried to kidnap Claire's baby....

Like I said, I'm probably reading too much into it.

[wonderboy8917]

When Locke got shot, didn't he get shot in the chest? But then after that moment it looked like he was unharmed or it missed him. That was confusing to me. I wish I had recorded it so I could watch it again.

[R0GUE]

He had a scar on his head that looked like the bullet grazed him.

[wonderboy8917]

He had a scar on his head that looked like the bullet grazed him.
Hmm, I thought I saw him get hit in the chest, but it happened so fast I could have missed it. :confused:

[Wyldstaar]

Hmm, I thought I saw him get hit in the chest, but it happened so fast I could have missed it. :confused:

I believe that the flashpoint seen at his chest is actually the muzzle flash of the pistol as Boone's sister is pulled to the ground.

[Zatara55]

I have a thought about the hatch and the numbers on the side and I was wondering what others thought....

I know the producers claimed there was no time travelling involved in the show but I don't trust them...

I'm starting to wonder if the hatch is a time machine that allows people to travel back at certain intervals. The numbers on the side represent the yearly intervals someone could travel back. This would explain why there is such an emphasis on the survivors' pasts, because they will eventually get the opportunity to change the mistakes they have made. It seems like half of them have done something resulting in the death of someone else. Adam and Eve could be two of the survivors that get caught in the past. The "others" could be their offspring.

[cattmoe]

Woah.. interesting theory. I can't think of anything to refute it, and it definitely sounds cool, but somehow I'm thinking it doesn't have to do with time travel.

One thing that confused me... when Boone died, Locke apparently saw in the hatch (when it lit up at the end of the episode), yet he genuinely doesn't seem to know what's in it. Is he faking, or did I miss something?

[MSU]

Woah.. interesting theory. I can't think of anything to refute it, and it definitely sounds cool, but somehow I'm thinking it doesn't have to do with time travel.

One thing that confused me... when Boone died, Locke apparently saw in the hatch (when it lit up at the end of the episode), yet he genuinely doesn't seem to know what's in it. Is he faking, or did I miss something?

That little kid gives me the chills...when he told Locke not to open it, I got all shivery. And then when the kid was like, "we have to leave the island" to his dad....

I haven't read into this much, but has anyone else noticed that when it rains, there is violence with the guns or people start dying? Everytime it rains, the guns come out or someone gets the crud kicked out of them...rain = bad.

[R0GUE]

Oh ####... and considering monsoon season is coming.... :surprised

[Wyldstaar]

I have a thought about the hatch and the numbers on the side and I was wondering what others thought....

I know the producers claimed there was no time travelling involved in the show but I don't trust them...

I can certainly understand why you don't trust them. There are no absolutes in shows like this. Chris Carter swore up and down that Mulder and Scully would never be more than partners for as long as The X-Files was on the air. That firm edict didn't last the run of the show, so there's no reason to believe that this one will either. He also stated that he knew where the show was headed originally, and later revealed that he was just making it up as he went along (which was obvious to any die hard fan anyway).

As for Locke's brief view of the inside of the hatch, who can tell? Locke has also gone eye to eye with "the monster", and never told a soul about that encounter either. Maybe he has seen something that can't be put into words.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I know I'm starting to sound like I work for "Entertainment Weekly"'s PR division but thought folks might be interested in a brief bit that was in an issue a couple weeks ago. If you can still find the EW with Ray Romano on the cover, the inside has one of Lost's co-creators talking about the main "mysteries" and their "odds" of resolution in the finale (he basically notes that something will happen to "resolve" some of them but that doesn't mean it won't set up some plotlines for Season Two)...he also gives some interesting tidbits inc. mention that while we may or may not see any more deaths this season that doesn't mean everyone will be returning for Season Two.

[Rokk_Krinn]

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[Wyldstaar]

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Is it just me or did the "security system for the island" sound almost mechanical in its' footfalls and piping noise?

I think it's just you. The twist of The Black Rock was a pleasant surprise. What the heck is that thing doing in the middle of an island?

BTW, could someone fill me in on the first twenty minutes? I missed them :( Kate was just asking Jack if she could go with them when I tuned in, so I missed Delen coming into the camp.

[wonderboy8917]

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Is it just me or did the "security system for the island" sound almost mechanical in its' footfalls and piping noise?

It did sound mechanical. However, I also thought I heard some kind of chanting like native villagers mixed in there. Or it could have been monkey sounds. It sounded really weird.

My guess is there's a tribe that lives near the center of the island (where the black smoke is coming from) and they will probably make an appearance in the season finale.

Also, did anyone pick up on how they are introducing new characters and setting up for season 2? Like that chick that met Jack at the airport that had a seat in the back of the plain. I think they are setting up that the passengers in the back half of the plain did survive. And maybe that black woman's husband will be in that group. Who by the way, has not made an appearance in a while.

[AZS]

It did sound mechanical. However, I also thought I heard some kind of chanting like native villagers mixed in there. Or it could have been monkey sounds. It sounded really weird.I think the chanting you heard was the science teacher guy huffing as he ran back towards the group.


@Wyldstaar,

I'll try, but I was doing 2 things at once as I watched, so I'm not sure what happened in the first 20 minutes, it all kinda blends together, especially since the epp was flashback-heavy.

I do remember that it opens with the french woman appearing at the beach camp and telling everyone they have 3 choices:
Run
Hide
Die.

And a little back story:
When the french woman arrived on the island 16 years ago, she was 7 months pregnant. When she had the baby, a week later black smoke appeared and "they" came and took her baby. (cue the black smoke again, now, and the island has chosen a new pope.)

Jack suggests they can all safely hide in the bunker that Locke found, but they still can't open it. Locke asks the french woman if she has more dynamite, she does, and they set out to get it. (Thus trekking through the woods.)
Also (don't remember exactly when this happens), Michelle Rodrigez appears in a flashback and flirts with Jack at the airport. She has a seat at the back of the plane (42 F), his is in the middle. Since trade magazines have confirmed her as a cast member for next year, the guess is that the back half of the plane also survived and they'll meet up.

I think should adequately catch you up.

[Dread Pirate J]

As for Locke's brief view of the inside of the hatch, who can tell? Locke has also gone eye to eye with "the monster", and never told a soul about that encounter either. Maybe he has seen something that can't be put into words.

Or maybe he has seen things that are so mundane that he doesn't want to face the possible truth that there's nothing special or mystical about the island...that it's all how one perceives it. For the first time in his life, Locke is really someone special, and he wouldn't (consciously or unconsciously) want that jeopardized. He's moving around the pieces in his own private game.

Except for Locke's dream about the plane (that killed Boone) and Michael's son's eerie "ability", the writers can still explain away everything in the show. Plausibility would need to be stretched a bit thin, and there'd be a heck of a lot of coincidences going around, but it isn't at all impossible.

[AZS]

Being that this is a JJ Abrams show, and how he's done Alias (and even the eccentric ending to Felicity), the more likely explaination is that there really is something super natural (or at the very least, unussual) going on on the island.

"Wierd" is JJ Abrams calling card.

[Dread Pirate J]

Being that this is a JJ Abrams show, and how he's done Alias (and even the eccentric ending to Felicity), the more likely explaination is that there really is something super natural (or at the very least, unussual) going on on the island.

I'm hopeful that that will be the case! However, they have yet to "commit" to anything truly supernatural on Lost, whereas on Alias, the Rambaldi business was fairly well-defined by mid season 1.

What happened on Felicity?

[Socko]

***Spoilers***


















hahaha.... the season finale just started.... and Arzt just blew himself up with the nitro glycerine


that was funny.... what an "expert"

[Socko]

I must have missed it... what was the "beast" on the Island?


great episode, but whats going to happen to the people who were on the raft? and walt?

im just wondering what the beast thing was, they said youd see something an image of it...

[cattmoe]

***Spoilers***



From what I gather, the Beast thing really wasn't a Beast at all; it was some kind of things shooting out of the ground, and one of them grabbed Locke and tried to pull him underground. I got the impression that it was some kind of mechanical thing used to kidnap people; I'm not really sure, if anyone else knows, let us know!

Also, the thing I thought was the most interesting was taht they finally established that the "others" are actually people, and we even got to see them. And nice twist, having Walt be the boy they were after instead of the baby....

[Manchine]

Harley Saw the Numbers. #### that LOCKE #### him to the inside the ISLAND.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Hmm...anyone else notice that both before and after the attack of the "beast", there was a blurry-black smoke that seemed to move as if alive?

Someone needs to smack Charlie up-top the head for grabbing one of the statues. :(

Any takers on whether any of the raft crew die? Really hoping it's not Jin - definitely one of my favourite cast members.

[Zatara55]

Before the beast attack it looked like one of those black flying carpets from the first episode was going through the bushes. After the attack it looked like the smoke from the dynamite gathered around an invisible object.

[Wyldstaar]

"The Beast" went from sounding vaguely mechanical to sounding extremely mechanized in the finale. One of the things about it that I thought was most interesting were two of Locke's reactions to it. When Locke went face to face with it the first time, he didn't seem afraid of it at all. This time, he looked confused and afraid. He seemed to have gotten over it by the time he was about to get pulled down into the hole, but his reaction to it the second time could indicate that there is more than one large scary security system on the island.

Another important thing to note is the fact that "The Numbers" have risen into the plot once more. Do each of the numbers somehow directly relate to individuals who are brought to The Island? Maybe they all do. Time will tell (maybe).

[Rokk_Krinn]

"The Beast" went from sounding vaguely mechanical to sounding extremely mechanized in the finale.

You sure it's not just you? ;)

[Stepper79]

I thought the "beast" sounded much more mechanized in the finale. I love the misdirection of the "the Boy" whom the others are after. I remeber reading that the writers said that they would resolve many open issues in the finale in case the show did not get picked up, but now it seems to me that they may have gone back and changed the finale to feed more into season two. Well I can't wait untill fall for season 2

[TitanThanos]

I posting this brom my husband's account so I dont' have to jump between accounts .... (aka DorkGirl).

I haven't been following the thread in a while, but I came back after the finale to see what everyone thought.
I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet ...

go to mapquest.com and click on the link in upper right for "get maps" ... go to latitude/longitude option ...

Okay ... he numbers are 4,8,15,16,23,42

Put in any of these coordinates (all are basically in the same place):

Latitude: 4.815
Longitude 162.342

lat: 4 deg 8 min 15 sec
long: 162 deg 34 min 2 sec

lat: 4 deg 8 min 15 sec
long: 162 deg 3 min 42 sec

Zoom all the way out on the map and look where it puts you!!!!
Here's a link to one of the maps ... just zoom out.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=degrees&latdeg=4&latmin=8&latsec=15&longdeg=162&longmin=3&longsec=42

[Stepper79]

and look at this site

http://www.oceanic-air.com/

[Stepper79]

there are a few hidden messages as well as a seating chart for flight 815 its a little freaky

[tornACL]

How do you get the seating chart? And what hidden messages are you talking about?

[Stepper79]

I was pointed to it and had to play with it for a while before it became clear, but here are a few hints, track fight 815, mouse over the alert box on the main page to see the messages and remeber the numbers mean everything. I don't want to give away all the islands secrets but think this brand new related to the finale

[tornACL]

On the seating chart, I got a couple of the characters but can't figure out how I got them.

[readyeddy?]

You know if Locke had let Jack know that he's been able to walk again since coming to the island, he might have looked a little less like a crackpot in Jack's eyes.
You know polar bears have appeared a couple of times on the island. The second time it was suggested that Walt conjured it up, but the first time Walt was nowhere around. Could there be some type of genetic testing going on?

[Stepper79]

TornACL Remeber the Numbers click all the seats in rows 4 8 15 16 23 42 that should open the majors

as for the polar Bear the 1st one showed after Walt was seen reading the comic book with a polar bear in it, I think it is believed that he "conjured" both of them

[Wyldstaar]

The Mapquest coordinates are pretty cool, and seems to go along with the idea that the plane was originally headed from Australia to LA, California. It's not directly enroute, which would explain why Agent Weiss said that the plane was far off course just before the "security system" killed him. Nice catch Dorkgirl.

[venarnage]

Wow..just found this thread. Im glad im not the only one loving this show. Im just really upset that we have to wait an entire season to see whats behind that hatch.

[TitanThanos]

I just found this in another forum:

Lat: 4.8151
Long: 6.2342

These put you on the Southern tip of Nigeria ... where the drug smugglers were from.

(DorkGirl)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Okay, I know this doesn't get us any closer to solving the mysteries of the Island and I'm probably the last person to even know this but being this is a comic-based site just thought I'd add in something cool I just learned...

Shannon (well, the actress :) ) is Kitty Pryde in X-Men 3 according to IMDB.

[Manchine]

Yeah I saw that. I was looking at what everyone else played in movie wise. They are obviously gonna be darking her hair for that part.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Yeah I saw that. I was looking at what everyone else played in movie wise. They are obviously gonna be darking her hair for that part.

Yeah, that's the interesting thing...I was looking up the history of the cast of Lost, not checking on the cast of X-3. :) What can I say, the summer "break" is going to be murder waiting for a new episode (even if the finale was a bit of a letdown).

[readyeddy?]

I have to agree with you on the finale. The only exciting thing that happened was on the raft.
So we started with 48 survivors and went down to 44 now right? or did we start with 50 and are now down to 44? There's Steve who was killed by Ethan, the girl who drowned at sea, Boone and the science teacher right? But there's also the U.S. Marshall and that poor schmuck who got sucked into the fusilage in the first episode. So that makes six down as far as the survivors go right?

[Zatara55]

Possible spoiler........






















There's a script page that has a discription of the monster. It says it's a Maringauri that's half mechanical. A Maringauri is a mythical beast from South America that some people have claimed to have seen but isn't proven to exist (think Bigfoot). It's a giant sloth or anteater. The only reason that I haven't dismissed this outright is because the 5% of the monster we were supposed to see could have been the tongue of the monster.

[readyeddy?]

Spoiler alert:













Has anybody seen the new TV guide? it says that Arzt is going to be back next season. It will be interesting to see how they pull that one off.

[cattmoe]

Probably in flashbacks, although you never know. Maybe the "Others" are actually undead, or resurrected or something.

[Wyldstaar]

Well, Jack's dad has already made a couple of appearances and he died before the plane crashed on The Island. If he can show up, why not Ardst?

[Socko]

I wish I wouldve tivo'ed it, But I sorta remember something that looked along the lines of a velociraptor or a utahraptor's shadow running behind some leaves when the first appearence of the "beast" came.


Im trying to think though, If these mechanical things are coming from the ground, How did they come up and over the plane in the first episode and grab the pilot, spitting him out on the top of the tree...

[Rokk_Krinn]

I wish I wouldve tivo'ed it, But I sorta remember something that looked along the lines of a velociraptor or a utahraptor's shadow running behind some leaves when the first appearence of the "beast" came.


Im trying to think though, If these mechanical things are coming from the ground, How did they come up and over the plane in the first episode and grab the pilot, spitting him out on the top of the tree...

Wouldn't be any harder for "ground tentacles" that were extremely long to do that than, say, for Doc Ock's to do something similar (i.e. - arch up through the air and slam downwards). The shadow did look vaguely familiar - though not quite a dinosaur (and I really hope it's not as the show's producers have said multiple times that it's not a dinosaur, but they could be fudging on their definitions) - but that blurry effect still made me go, "Huh...they got a Predator on the island?" :)

[Stepper79]

wanna see something really freaky about the monster look at this I can't wait for the DVD's just to see if it is real

http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=7954

[bootkneelee]

wanna see something really freaky about the monster look at this I can't wait for the DVD's just to see if it is real

http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=7954


Oh it's real, I recorded the Episode where they went back and did a recap of what has already happened, and recorded the rest of the episodes up to the finale so I could just watche them all back to back to back to well I'm sure you get my drift.... anyway when I got home last night I played the tape [no tivo for me] and I slow motioned it... and I saw that "thing" what ever it is..... FREAKY!!!!!

[Stepper79]

SWEET ! I was planning on TIVOing the pilot just to see if it was real thanks for confirming it thou

[bootkneelee]

SWEET ! I was planning on TIVOing the pilot just to see if it was real thanks for confirming it thou

No prob! I had to know if this was legit or not, the only different thing is you can't see the guy get sucked in on this one....

[Wyldstaar]

That is a very interesting clip. Judging by all the discussion on the thread it's posted under, the clip would seem to be genuine.

[Socko]

Go to ebay and search "Lost Toast"


someone (idiot) is selling a piece of toast with the letters 4 8 15 16 23 42 on it.


goin for a cool 2800 now...

[TKMandroid]

Go to ebay and search "Lost Toast"


someone (idiot) is selling a piece of toast with the letters 4 8 15 16 23 42 on it.


goin for a cool 2800 now...


:tired:

And I thought that the seller was asking forserious bidders, not SERIOUSLY INSANE BIDDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:confused:

[Evil_Ernie]

I didnt actually see the monster??? just the black smoke surrounding "nothing" and going back inside the machine
I say machine because it sounds like a digger, a pnuematic or hydraulic steam powered driller under the ground, which is where I think all the "others" live. I think the hatch they blew open sounds like an old army tunnel, from back during ww2 when the army held all those experiments on australian agarpelogos.....little islands... which would coincide with around where they would of crashed. and why everything points to the monster and everything.also the numbers sound like some kind of quardents, or like a military listing from cube... just my opinion

[Grinner]

Okay, I know this doesn't get us any closer to solving the mysteries of the Island and I'm probably the last person to even know this but being this is a comic-based site just thought I'd add in something cool I just learned...

Shannon (well, the actress :) ) is Kitty Pryde in X-Men 3 according to IMDB.

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

She does such a good job of making me hate Shannon and now she's going to be my favorite X-woman? :surprised

[CREED]

:devious: Sounds to me like X3 keeps shooting itself in the foot!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ermm:

[EmperorNorton]

Does anybody else think that once they go insíde the hatch Tatoo will welcome them to Fantasy Island?

[Wyldstaar]

With the help of some CGI, it might be possible. Jerve' Villachez committed suicide quite a few years ago. I believe Ricardo Montalban is still alive though. "I will leave you as you left her! Buried alive.. buried alive..."

[Evil_Ernie]

I just wanted to comment on the sloth like monster idea, thats what a magazine revealed was in the script this week, but those ancient ground sloths, though highly durable with those rigid bone layer under theyre skin, and incredibly powerful, were herbivores, and really slow......

[Socko]

what, the mapinguari? thats ooooold news.

its mechanically biological.


if you can understand that.







neeeeeeeeeed newwwwwww episooooooooooooooooodes...

[TKMandroid]

neeeeeeeeeed newwwwwww episooooooooooooooooodes...

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed DVD boooooooooooooox setttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:

[readyeddy?]

Anybody know the start date for season two?

[Zatara55]

There's a theory going 'round that suggest the survivors were chosen as game pieces. This kind of makes sense in a heroclix way. You have a medic (Jack) a couple con artists (Kate and Sawyer) a probber (Walt) etc.

[wonderboy8917]

Anybody know the start date for season two?

Wednesday September 21, 2005
Man of Science, Man of Faith
The second season starts where the survivors have left off with Jack, Locke and others going down the hatch and finding out what is under there. Also, Jin, Michael and Sawyer survive their boat attack from "the others" while Walt is still missing out at sea.

[Wyldstaar]

Warning: This post will make no sense to anyone who hasn't read Sam Keith's The Maxx or seen it's animated counterpart.

I was reading my TPB of The Maxx last week. When I was watching Lost this week, the mention of Australia reminded me of The Outback from The Maxx. This got me thinking. What if The Island is someone's Outback? If Maxx can become trapped inside the Outback of Julie Winters, why can't the passengers of Flight 815 be trapped in the Outback of one of it's members? The Island is a very Outback kind of place. The obvious answer would be that it's Walt's Outback, but that may be a bit too obvious.

Just a thought...

[bootkneelee]

Warning: This post will make no sense to anyone who hasn't read Sam Keith's The Maxx or seen it's animated counterpart.

I was reading my TPB of The Maxx last week. When I was watching Lost this week, the mention of Australia reminded me of The Outback from The Maxx. This got me thinking. What if The Island is someone's Outback? If Maxx can become trapped inside the Outback of Julie Winters, why can't the passengers of Flight 815 be trapped in the Outback of one of it's members? The Island is a very Outback kind of place. The obvious answer would be that it's Walt's Outback, but that may be a bit too obvious.

Just a thought...

Hadn't thougt about The Maxx in quite some time.... I am sooooo looking forward to getting my Season 1 of Lost on DVD today.... It will be $34.99 well spent!

[absolutvt69]

Well after getting into the show on reruns halfway through the summer, I bought the box set and I'm all caught up. It seems like every episode raises more questions than answers. I had fun playing at that Oceanic Air website. BTW Ethan Rom is an anagram for Other Man.

[clixer11]

Okay, just bought the DVDs and got caught up on some of the best TV I've ever seen.

There are sooo many ways to come at this show that I already know any attempts at organization will only lead to more rambling on my part.

So here are my ramblings:

The interconnectedness between the characters and their doings in Australia is amazing when we learn more about why they are there. It's one thing to be amused by Sayid asking Shannon to watch his bag and she tells a cop "an Arab man left his bag unattended in the lobby" and quite another to see Sawyer talking with Jack's dad. About Jack. About the conflict between Jack and Dad. Coincidence my ###.

I don't have access to a globe, but my geography knowledge seems to lead me to recall Nigeria is exactly across from this area of the South Pacific if that was what DorkGirl was alluding to. Very interesting. I'm sorry, but somehow I don't think drug smuggling in a Beechcraft across the Indian Ocean/South Pacific by Nigerians occurs much. Interesting. Financing for the island?

But "financing" is a term that lends itself to the more mundane approaches to analyzing the island and I can't buy that either.

So we come to the island. First, that island is freakin huge. It would definitely be charted. I doubt the writer would allow the shooting locale to force him into shots that give us a misleading view of the island's size. So how does everything here happen in complete insulation from the rest of the world?

Then we come to the plane crash. Now, we all know people survive the worst accidents imaginable. But that's in small doses. Some guy's chute doesn't open properly and survives the impact I can understand. But there's no WAY an airliner breaks into three pieces, plummets onto an island, and leaves survivors. No way. Gravity is a harsh mistress.

On the other hand, we have Walt's abduction by The Others. Pirates with assault rifles. ???? I'm no John Rambo, but guys with guns opens up a fourth option besides 1) Run, 2) Hide, or 3) Die...and that would be 4) Kill. So are those guys the Others, or did they save Walt from The Others? If they are the Others, were they coming by sea to surprise our survivors? Smoke from the island far side and an attack from the sea? If Walt was the target, why wait for Claire's baby?

And what was up with Ethan? How is he related to Danielle since Claire remembers scratching the carpola out of Danielle's arms? Why did Ethan want Claire, but apprently the pirates could have cared less? And just what were those guys doing out on the water? Looking? They almost missed them!

I remember watching Ethan beat the bejesus out of Jack and was convinced he was beyond human. His physical power seemed so evident, but then Jack ambushed him and took him down solo. Although maybe all he needed was a surprise hit or two to win what should have been a hopeless fight for him?

On to the elements of fiction...
Forbidden Planet, yep.

Larry Niven did a little known rewrite of Dante's Inferno (title: Inferno...catchy?) where a sci-fi writer takes a trip through Hell. The catch is at the end (stop reading now if you're going to go buy the book)





one character stays behind to guide the others out of Hell. Is that what Locke is doing? Boone down, more to go?

Which leads to the survivors. Why so much attention to such an unusual handful? Hmmm...

The monsters? Okay, polar bears in a comic and on a tropical island is not a coincidence. Danielle's team was felled by a plague/illness and they were a team of RESEARCHERS/SCIENTISTS. Coincidence, true believers? I think not.

As for the security system...leaves a mangled corpse hanging in a tree but tries to drag Locke into the ground? Okay...

And one last chilling thought:

Hurley (to Charlie): "This is all going to end with you and me screaming and running through the jungle. (paraphrase)"

[readyeddy?]

I read that book, it was Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle I believe. And there might have been another as well. I don't think it applies to Locke's situation though.

Interesting thoughts on the size of the island though. Perhaps you can't go to the island unless someone wants you there.

[wonderboy8917]

For all you Lost fans who didn't watch the Emmies last night...guess what....

LOST WON BEST DRAMA!

This is great news because it means the show is finally recognized as being a great show and will hopefully bring in more viewers and thus generate more seasons. So the future is looking good.

Looking forward to Season 2 in two days! :)

[Wyldstaar]

I just got my box set of Season One a couple of days ago, and I've been skipping the re-runs. It's going to require quite a viewing marathon to get through the whole thing before Wednsday evening.

[AZS]

Does anyone else think its interesting that we're all caught up in a show where the most significant thing to happen in 20+ eppisodes is that they opened a hatch?

Really, what else of note happened? (Yeah, that kid died, but since the show opened with a hundred people dying, his is only slightly more significant because they let us get to know him first.)


Also, has anyone else read the spoilers for epp 2.1 on Aint It Cool News? Seriously weird stuff.
Can't wait to watch it on Wednesday!

[thugit]

This is great news because it means the show is finally recognized as being a great show



That's an odd statement. Although I still have never seen one episode of Lost, I'm pretty sure that it was already recognized as a good show--high ratings, lots of critical praise...

[TKMandroid]

I just got my box set of Season One a couple of days ago, and I've been skipping the re-runs. It's going to require quite a viewing marathon to get through the whole thing before Wednsday evening.

Let's see, I estimate that you would need about 18-20 hours (straight) to watch all of season 1.

You've got approximately 42 hours left.

Plenty of time. :grin:

Right now, I'm about ready to see episode 23. :)

[wonderboy8917]

That's an odd statement. Although I still have never seen one episode of Lost, I'm pretty sure that it was already recognized as a good show--high ratings, lots of critical praise...

I remember there was some other previous award show where they didn't even get nominated while Desperate Housewives got all the glory. That's why I stated they weren't getting the respect they deserved in the past. But this recent Emmy award changes things. :cool:

[Mr. Hypno]

I caught the first two episodes last fall and then missed the next four, so I decided to wait for the re-runs or a possible DVD. I'm so glad I chose the later as I heard the run this summer was not complete and run out of order.

I picked up the DVD set last Wed and watched the last episode about 2 hours ago. I doubt I can say anything that hasn't already been said about this amazing show.

While I can't wait for season 2 starting this Wed, I have no earthly idea how I'm going to be patient enough to watch it week to week. My DVD player is still smoking.

[Thawmus]

I caught the first two episodes last fall and then missed the next four, so I decided to wait for the re-runs or a possible DVD. I'm so glad I chose the later as I heard the run this summer was not complete and run out of order.

I picked up the DVD set last Wed and watched the last episode about 2 hours ago. I doubt I can say anything that hasn't already been said about this amazing show.

While I can't wait for season 2 starting this Wed, I have no earthly idea how I'm going to be patient enough to watch it week to week. My DVD player is still smoking.

I know what you mean. Last year, it was easy to do, because I didn't start watching it until mid-season, so I was um...acquiring...episodes constantly to catch up. So I was getting my fill of Lost every week.

This year, though, I'm in it from the get-go, and considering clix night is Wednesday night, the conflict of interest is unbearable. Thank God for VCR.....

[Wyldstaar]

Does anyone else think its interesting that we're all caught up in a show where the most significant thing to happen in 20+ eppisodes is that they opened a hatch?

Really, what else of note happened? (Yeah, that kid died, but since the show opened with a hundred people dying, his is only slightly more significant because they let us get to know him first.)

I suppose it all depends upon what you consider to be significant. I thought the introduction of "the monster" was vital. I thought it was significant when the SOS transmition was detected, and determined to have been on a loop for the past 16 and a half years. I thought it was significant that Locke not only has the ability to walk now, but isn't suffering from any muscular atrophy due to years of paralysis. The revelation of Hurley's mystical numbers and their link to the hatch seems important to me. All the various backstories of the main characters hold the potential for vastly significant events in the future as they are all slowly linked together one by one.

Lots of relevant things are going on. The Hatch stands out because more time has been devoted to it. The second season will probably focus on something else since it's been opened.

[Mr. Hypno]

While discussing what awaits us tomorrow night with a friend, a very interesting point struck me. No, it didn't hurt.

You have 13 "main" characters/survivors, not counting Vincent or Rose. (Did she get eaten?)
We know of 5 deaths: Boone, the marshall, Steve, the woman that drowned, and Arzt the teacher. Don't count Ethan or the pilot.
That leaves well over 20 other survivors on the island, some of whom could be dealt with in this next season. Locke thinks they are ALL there for a reason, so it stands to reason that the "extras" all have nifty little back stories as well. The Arzt character didn't show up until the last 3 episodes if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure he would have had a mysterious past to flashback to as well, had he not blown himself to bits.

I know this isn't really news to any of you. I just think it's great that the show has so many possible ways to go as far as characters. If the writing wasn't so sharp, throwing in a new character or two this far in would be a cheap stupid gimmick. As it stands now They could have the professor and Mary Ann hit the beach on a coconut powered jet ski and I'd probably buy it.

I hope you all enjoy the show.

[readyeddy?]

While discussing what awaits us tomorrow night with a friend, a very interesting point struck me. No, it didn't hurt.

You have 13 "main" characters/survivors, not counting Vincent or Rose. (Did she get eaten?)
We know of 5 deaths: Boone, the marshall, Steve, the woman that drowned, and Arzt the teacher. Don't count Ethan or the pilot.
That leaves well over 20 other survivors on the island, some of whom could be dealt with in this next season. Locke thinks they are ALL there for a reason, so it stands to reason that the "extras" all have nifty little back stories as well. The Arzt character didn't show up until the last 3 episodes if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure he would have had a mysterious past to flashback to as well, had he not blown himself to bits.

I know this isn't really news to any of you. I just think it's great that the show has so many possible ways to go as far as characters. If the writing wasn't so sharp, throwing in a new character or two this far in would be a cheap stupid gimmick. As it stands now They could have the professor and Mary Ann hit the beach on a coconut powered jet ski and I'd probably buy it.

I hope you all enjoy the show.

You left out the poor schmuck who got sucked into the fuselage in the first episode. Also I believe it was Scott who died, Hurley kept confusing him with Steve.

As far as the Professor and Mary Ann showing up, they should bring along Ginger. Those three are the only ones that could show up anyway. It would probably be cool stunt casting if they used them in some way in an episode.

[Wyldstaar]

While discussing what awaits us tomorrow night with a friend, a very interesting point struck me. No, it didn't hurt.

You have 13 "main" characters/survivors, not counting Vincent or Rose. (Did she get eaten?)
We know of 5 deaths: Boone, the marshall, Steve, the woman that drowned, and Arzt the teacher. Don't count Ethan or the pilot.
That leaves well over 20 other survivors on the island, some of whom could be dealt with in this next season. Locke thinks they are ALL there for a reason, so it stands to reason that the "extras" all have nifty little back stories as well. The Arzt character didn't show up until the last 3 episodes if I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure he would have had a mysterious past to flashback to as well, had he not blown himself to bits.

I wouldn't write off the possibility of Arzt returning next season in some form or another just yet. Death hasn't hampered Jack's father much, it seems.

I'm going to assume that readyeddie? is refering to the "poor schmuck" who got sucked into the jet engine's air intake. Pages and pages ago on this thread, an interesting bit came up about that incident. If you've got it on DVD, you can check it out quite easily. When he is sucked into the engine, it explodes. The explosio