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WELCOME ALL, to the TV Cartoon Tournament Of Champions, Super-HeavyWeight Division.
Here well see a whole assortment of some of the Strongest, Most Powerful, Most Intelligent, and Highly Skilled characters in ALL of TV Cartoons. (Sans Dragonball Z, at most everyones request :) )
Anywhere from Transformers to Dungeons and Dragons, from Sailor Moon to He-Man, from Gundam Wing to Godzilla to Voltron and beyond. If youve ever loved your Cartoon characters at their MAX Power, then this TOC is for YOU.
The rules are the same as in my other TV Cartoon TOCs.
Each Players gets a pre-match download of the opponent. They both start at opposite ends of their arenas, which for the SHW Division has been expanded yet again to 25 miles wide. No one can leave this arena, until the battle is over and a winner is chosen....and the rest is all blahblahblah (meaning Im sure you know the rules to these TOCs by now. :) )
Now without further adieu, allow me to present your First battle in a BRAND NEW (Actually unless youre from Mars, these are pretty old hate by now) type of Tournament Of Champions:
HE-MAN (HE-MAN & THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE)
VS.
OBERON (GARGOYLES)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them AND/OR routinely used in their shows, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Nameless Moon - Despite all known laws of physics, you can breathe here without your head exploding. Still, it doesn’t do much for the flat grey tones of the surroundings. A thick layer of dust coats this heavily cratered surface. Definitely not the place to build a summer home. (Inspired by: Space Ghost, Superfriends, etc)
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
ALSO, please do your best to respect everyones votes, reasonings and opinions here. If you believe your character should win, but doesnt in the end, dont hold grudges against the character that beat yours, or call the votes that allowed this to happen "fanboy" arguments or plain and simply wrong. We all have our own way of thinking and voting here, with each one of our thoughts and ideas as valid as your own. Lets do what we can, even in the heat of an argument, to respect that. Thanks.
TV CARTOON TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Part 4
ROUND 1
He-Man vs. Oberon: ??????
He-Man (He-Man And The Masters Of The Universe) - "Hi, Im Adam, Prince of Eternia and Defender of the secrets of Castle Greyskull. Fabulous secret powers were reveled to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said, BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL.......I HAVE THE POWER!!"
He-Man is not only the defender of the magics of Castle Greyskull, he is the greatest force for good in his entire world, possibly even his universe. With vast amounts of superhuman strength, toughness and endurance, not to mention hyper leaping, a world class magical sword and a master at the art of combat, He-Man is certainly Eternias best hope in defeating Skeletors hordes of evil and the protection of the Sorceress and her sacred Castle.
Oberon (Gargoyles) - Oberon has been around a long, long time. His origins are lost to us, but he is the unquestioned Lord of Avalon and Ruler of the Third Race, the Fae. Oberon is the most powerful of all of the Third Race. At full strength, he can, with a thought or gesture, do practically anything, including putting an entire city to sleep, growing as tall as a skyscraper, summoning lightning storms, and projecting magical blasts. He is also very arrogant and regal, doing as he sees fit with anything. Oberon's magical energy does have limits, although reaching those limits takes considerable time. He does have the typical fay weakness to iron, which seems to drain his energy quicker.
He-Man is a close combat god....too bad that we have a magical creature Oberon who doesn't need to get close to do his voodoo that he do so well. In this terrain, with nothing hindering Oberon's line of sight, He-Man, defender of Greyskull...will fall. Oberon to round 2!
(YEA FOR A NEW TOC!!! I HAVE SOMETHING TO DO AT WORK NOW...BESIDES WORK!)
I do realize that this nameless moon prolly has iron ore deposits, but even at his weakened state, I still think Oberon will be able to take out He-Man before He-Man gets too close to wail on him with his mighty sword.
Avatar Jack
03/04/2005, 17:57
The fanboy in me wants to say He-Man, but this Oberon guy sounds like a monster. Can anyone who has seen the show tell me about him?
DeonBeast
03/04/2005, 18:01
Ok... He-Man is a super heavyweight?
It's a dude with a sword.
Really?
He doesn't even wear real pants...
I'll vote Oberon... and shake my head in disbelief.
DeonBeast
03/04/2005, 18:04
Is it too late to nominate MechaStreisand from South Park?
Look, He-Man will own Oberon. If Oberon had fought anyone else (minus your giant robot types) he'd probally win. BUT since he pulled He-Man, the god of war (ok, fine that really is Ares, but I'm allowed some poetic lisence, right?) will win due to his blade. What's Oberon's weakness? Yup that's right, iron. What was used to make He-Man's sword? Yup, that's right, iron. And what's been seen to disrupt Oberon's spells? Yup, once again, its iron. He-Man won't be touched in this fight as he tears Oberon down in quick fashion. He-Man to advance.
hail_eris
03/04/2005, 18:10
Ya know, all Oberon has to do is put the psychic whammy on He-Man and make him say, "Let the power return." As soon as those words escape his lips, He-Man turns back into daffy old Adam. After that, Oberon can wander over and beat him senseless with a rock at his leisure.
And He-Man's sword is made out of Eternium, which is cool and all, but it ain't cold iron. Too bad He-Man didn't pull the Scottish Moor. I'd bet that the haunted house has a belfry. And bells can play all kinds of havoc with faeries. Oberon to advance.
No way are you going to convince me that the sword of Grayskull just happens to be iron, even if you could it wouldn't make any difference, Oberon can put He-man to sleep as soon as the battle starts, and is fully capable of flight (and seems to prefer it actually). Oberon blows the tar out of He-man every time.
Originally posted by DeonBeast
Ok... He-Man is a super heavyweight?
It's a dude with a sword.
Really?
He doesn't even wear real pants...
I'll vote Oberon... and shake my head in disbelief.
He-Man is a dude with a sword as much as Thor is a dude with a hammer.
He-Man has vast amounts of physical strength and toughness, is incredibly fast, is a close combat beast, and above all is used to dealing with magical beings (unlike many of our more robotic characters here) He resistances with magic will be Strong, and in the end Ill say this Master of the Universe will take Oberon (especially if this arena is littered with Iron Ore desposits, meaning Oberon wont be at full strength here)
My Vote - He-Man
Originally posted by hail_eris
Ya know, all Oberon has to do is put the psychic whammy on He-Man and make him say, "Let the power return." As soon as those words escape his lips, He-Man turns back into daffy old Adam. After that, Oberon can wander over and beat him senseless with a rock at his leisure.
And He-Man's sword is made out of Eternium, which is cool and all, but it ain't cold iron. Too bad He-Man didn't pull the Scottish Moor. I'd bet that the haunted house has a belfry. And bells can play all kinds of havoc with faeries. Oberon to advance.
I seriously doubt Oberon is just going to wave his hand and take away all of He-Mans magically bestowed power. The power of Castle Greyskull could possibly exceed Oberons own, and hes not fighting on Avalon here (where hed be a Cosmic Being) hes fighting on a moon which itself could weaken him due to the posibble iron ore all around here.
Though I do agree He-Mans sword isnt made of iron. :)
He-man takes this fight. Oberon is very very cocky so dosent always simply go for the KO, i mean the gargoyles flew around him and he didnt just poof them. He-man's weapon will harm Oberon.....ALOT!! He is incredibly quick, super durable and a close combat god. He makes oberon hurt, bad.
Vote: He-man
Originally posted by MSJLion
Look, He-Man will own Oberon. If Oberon had fought anyone else (minus your giant robot types) he'd probally win. BUT since he pulled He-Man, the god of war (ok, fine that really is Ares, but I'm allowed some poetic lisence, right?) will win due to his blade. What's Oberon's weakness? Yup that's right, iron. What was used to make He-Man's sword? Yup, that's right, iron. And what's been seen to disrupt Oberon's spells? Yup, once again, its iron. He-Man won't be touched in this fight as he tears Oberon down in quick fashion. He-Man to advance.
Of course, a magical beam or something shot from the sword wouldn't be iron, and Oberon can just melt the ground beneath him to lava, fly, etc.. He also has illusions and mental attacks.
He, if he got in hand to hand, would be in trouble. However, at 25 miles off (well, with teleportation, however far off he wants), he has a dozen ways of offing He-Man with no chance of the sword doing squat.
Heck, if He-Man throws the sword, that'll cripple Oberon but not KO him, until he removes the sword and is fine and then faces an unarmed, iron-less He-man and crushes him.
My vote: Oberon
Unless Oberon stabs himself on an iron ore deposit then their presesnce isn't going to affect him in the slightest. Iron isn't like Kryptonite to Oberon he can be standing right next to it and not be hurt, it is only a weakness in that his magic doesn't affect it and that it bypasses his defenses, and that if you have an iron bell ringing it hurts him.
The claim that Oberon doesn't go for the quick kill is also false. In the Gathering Oberon went to get Xanatos's baby, the drop dead first thing he did was put the whole city to sleep, only Puck's meddling prevented that from taking out the Gargoyles and Xanatos instantly. When he fought the gargoyles on Avalon the very first thing he did was order Avalon to ruin them, he had to be convinced to fight fair instead of takeing the most effective course of action (and he won that fight handily anyway). He-man has no chance of ever even touching Oberon, he probably won't even see him.
Originally posted by Goose
He-man takes this fight. Oberon is very very cocky so dosent always simply go for the KO, i mean the gargoyles flew around him and he didnt just poof them. He-man's weapon will harm Oberon.....ALOT!! He is incredibly quick, super durable and a close combat god. He makes oberon hurt, bad.
Vote: He-man
Well, he was totally toying with them, had the strength of a child at the time, opened a lava pit (which they, as fliers, could avoid but He-Man couldn't, and then he agreed not to use the terrain against them any more). They did precisely squat in return, they were just buying time. And they could reach him, He-man, not being a flier, really couldn't.
In that form, with his weakened strength and self-imposed limitations (the latter of which he definitely won't use here), he's probably close to Martian Manhunter in power.
hail_eris
03/04/2005, 18:33
Okay, I just rethought this. This moon has earth gravity, correct? A virtual precondition of planetary gravity is a molten iron core that supplies the magnetic mojo. So how weak is Oberon when he's on earth? There ought to be just as much iron laying about here as there is on earth. Oberon might just see himself getting Captain Planeted by the terrain here in round one...
Keep in mind Oberons classic battle with all of the Gargoyles, I believe was in Avalon, where Oberon is at his strongest. This arena, nor any other here, is Avalon.
The Red Baron
03/04/2005, 18:35
From the Bio how is this guy not a cosmic hw, The guy can just say or think sleep and he-man falls into a coma, my vote for the win (and inless he is replaced) and the toc and team toc is Oberon
In the Gathering Oberon was on Earth. He was not weakened, at all, in fact that 2 part episode is the only time we really see Oberon at his full strength in the series and it takes place on Earth, so the idea that the moon haveing an iron core would weaken Oberon in the slightest is totally and empirically false.
He-Man will surely have vast magical resistances, probably at the level of the most powerful sorcerrers here, so I dont think a simple sleep spell will KO him.
IF Oberon can simply put a being as highly resistant to magic and mystically experienced as He-Man to sleep with a wave of his hand, in any terrain, then we need to rethink Oberon being in the SHW level.
I personally dont believe this would be so, but if most of us do, than is sounds as if he better belongs in a Cosmic Beings class. Id like any and all feedback regarding this from anyone who wishes to reply.
That's fine it is well within Oberon's abilities to fly in the air and hurl massive magical ordnace down on He-man he did that even when he had the strength of a child.
Does He-Man from the new series have his Shield? That could certainly protect him from near any magical ranged attacks.
Maximcards
03/04/2005, 19:13
I'll say oberon he seems to powerful for he-man.
Considering that the ones he threw when he was only as strong as a child were as big as the gargoyles (includeing their wings) and exploded, no it wouldn't (disregarding the fact that that still give He-man no means of offense whatesover as compared to Oberon's numerous means of attack, and requires He-man to actually have such a thing, which I doubt). Furthermore a shield in no way stops "nearly any magical attack", it isn't a forcefield.
As to Oberon's weightclass, I've never seen a spell or magical attack he threw fail to affect anything (includeing Odin, Puck, and the Banshee, all children of Oberon) that hadn't prepared some kind of defense ahead of time. The only time he has ever lost is when he was as weak as a child and someone built the best possibel weapon to combat him, as detailed by Titania.
hail_eris
03/04/2005, 19:21
Originally posted by DTM
Does He-Man from the new series have his Shield? That could certainly protect him from near any magical ranged attacks.
He's got Legacy Armor that's as powerful as Skeletor's. It's supposed to render him virtually impervious to harm as long as the Legacy Stones are attached to it. As far as I know, only the old He-Man had a shield (it was made of Eternium as well, it just wasn't infused with the power of Grayskull)...
He-man is good at close combat. Oberon is just as (if not more) powerfull, but he has range. My vote...
OBERON
Oberon completely schools He-Man here. Oberon, I have to say, is the ABSOLUTE upper limit of SHW, he is a Demi-God. Literally.
Put simply, no-one here is going to harm Oberon without some major firepower. Or if they can make it to the belltower in the Moors battlefield, and start ringing. That's really going to make his life difficult.
And to make it abundantly clear, Iron is not Kryptonite to the Fae. The touch of iron weakens them and burns like acid, and Iron wards give some protection against their magic (nothing short of solid Iron full plate is going to protect you from Oberon though. He is the KING of the Fae). Otheriwse, he could be standing right above a megaton of the stuff, if he's not touching it, no effect.
I'm not going to let this become a frickin' Sprinkler System like what screwed Robin in the MW. Oberon is one of my faves for the title here.
Still, Im pushing for He-Man for the win. The guys power comes from a near Cosmic Being level magical source, Castle Greyskull, so hes fully prepared to fight other SHW magic users.
Hes got great durability (his own skin and the before mention Legacy Armor) which will help not only against physical attacks, but magical ones as well. Not to mention unreal strength, amazing dexterity, hyper leaping and his own Magic Sword (possibly one of the single greatest weapons of all the SHWs).
He-Man is the perfect blend of the physical and the mystical here, and he would do well against either attack form. This is a magic users worst foe to battle, someone who is as adept as fighting against brute force (and with brute force) as he is fighting near Godlike level magical forces.
The guys is tough and powerful, and Oberon while more so, is ARROGANT AND COCKY, things I think will seriously hinder his chances to defeat this foe, who he will surely think is beneath him and take somewhat lightly.
He-Mans used to fighting uber powered mages and what not, and his magical resistances and own powers will see him win this in the end.
Least thats my take. :)
Oberon - 9 votes
He-Man - 3 votes
green_knight
03/05/2005, 00:50
Skeletor's magic doesn't do squat to He Man, and I believe it will just be more of the same here. He-Man will just parry, nullify, or ignore any magic hurled at him, and put the slap on Oberon, who admittedly is pretty dangerous in most cases. 'Man's power level is FAR up there, especially in his ability to deal with magic. Hordak, Skeletor, physically imposing and magically deadly, yet He-Man walks all over them.
Magic won't be the thing that makes the difference here.
I vote for Prince Adam's alter ego.
He-Man fights against range and Magic Users pretty much as
a matter of routine. I don't see any reason for the outcome
to be different here, giving the He-Man the win
He-Man is actually one of the best characters to deal with such uber magic using beasts. Venger is one of my favorites here and Id actually pick He-Man over him as well. The perfect picture of Might and Magic, that is essentially what He-Man is.
Skeletor's magic doesn't do squat to He Man, and I believe it will just be more of the same here
Far, far more of the same, plus control over the terrain.
Oh, and flight, so hitting Oberon isn't too likely.
Plus Oberon's power reserves are far greater than Skeletors. Ripping gashes in the earth and creating storms, throwing fireballs, all that is light, 'do as much as I want, it won't tire me' stuff for Oberon, and 'that's a really massive effort to do any one of' for Skeletor.
Skeletor's the clone Superboy, Oberon is OWAW Superman.
Skeletor is a threat to He-Man, and he's not in the same league.
Btw, if this is Oberon, strength of a child version, then this is pre-OWAW Superman, and he can still do all of the above, it just takes a bit more effort. He can still turn his skin hard enough to completely ignore all attacks from 3 Gargoyles (didn't even budge him) who can rend steel, etc..
A lot of Oberon's advantage is tactical. He-Man simply lacks a way to reach out and touch him against a tireless, flying foe who cares not about getting close and personal. He-Man has no form of effective attack and nothing to prevent Oberon from attacking him until he's down (...which shouldn't be too hard. Lava, dunk He-Man, win. But even just throwing fireballs, He-Man is taking damage and using energy, Oberon is not)
The other part is he's a very-high SHW at full power, a mid-SHW at reduced power, and He-Man's a low-end barely SHW.
Oberon in all his forms, quite simply, outclasses He-Man, who is only capable of mounting a defense for a while due to his iron sword, which doesn't help at all against indirect attacks like, say, turning the ground beneath him to lava, and nor will it provide total protection against direct attacks. Even with magic resistance, he's fighting the Cassius Clay of raw magical power.
The Red Baron
03/05/2005, 03:47
How is this guy not a cosmic hw when in his bio it says At full strength, he can, with a thought or gesture, do practically anything!!! and acording to many people here he was never at full strength at avalon but he was in new york
Eh, I've been voting assuming he's at his child-level strength.
Still, a Green Lantern can do almost anything too, save for their one weakness, and they're just SHWs.
I remeber there was a match in some other TOC that had some guy that was a robot hunter fighting some flying robot and everybody was voteing for the robot hunter, then someone came in and was like "hey that robot flys how is the non-flying robot hunter gonna attack him", that turned the whole match around.
Hmm...flight unlimited power yeah im voting Oberon over He-man.
Im gonna vote that oberon dosent belong as a SHW, most of the people are voting for him based off of stuff that has no right to belong in a SHW tourney *wave of hands* type stuff.
I still think that He-man can win, one good hit and i belive this fight is over. He hits so much harder than anything else in this weight class that very little could stand up to him and his sword.
Jawapimp
03/05/2005, 11:24
hmmmmm Oberon is an arrogant magic user. Sounds familiar, like Skeletor familiar. Now I know Oberon is much more than Skeletor, BUT, He-Man often fights Skeletor and his minions at the same time, and wins. He-Man is not one to go down without a fight folks. He's not just gonna see magic, dump in his loin-cloth, and surrender. Like someone mentioned earlier, He-Man is Thor minus hammer + Sword. Maybe I'm mistaken, but doesn't He-Man's sword of some sort of energy blast?
Doesn't matter. I'll vote on my man Adam errrrr, He-Man, for the win!
Originally posted by Goose
Im gonna vote that oberon dosent belong as a SHW, most of the people are voting for him based off of stuff that has no right to belong in a SHW tourney *wave of hands* type stuff.
I still think that He-man can win, one good hit and i belive this fight is over. He hits so much harder than anything else in this weight class that very little could stand up to him and his sword.
So Oberon's too powerful, but He-man should beat him huh. I love posts like this.
Thats a good question, does He-Mans sword shoot out any kind of magical beam? The new He-Man anyway. Does he have absolutely no ranged attacks whatsoever.....besides ripping up a GIANT piece of the Moon and throwing it at Oberon.
See, I think He-Man is smart enough to work off of Oberons arrogance, cockiness and his major superiority complex and actually get him to fight He-Man on fair terms, meaning not sitting on High throwing down anything and everything.
He-Man is quite clever, and he knows about Oberon and his attitude from the download. Whos to say He-Man doesnt dare Oberon to fight him "fair", being that He-Man is such a "lesser being" compared to Oberon and then really rock his world when he does so.
Remember, these battles arent simply a measure of whos more powerful, a characters personality, attitude, exeprience and smarts all come into play here as well, and if Oberon dismisses He-Man as a lesser being not worthy of his time, hell be in Big Trouble.....and judging from Oberons personality, Id say that its pretty likely he will.
Also, as mentioned, if Skeletor is a "Superboy" level mage, and Oberon is "OWAW Superman", that what about when He-Man battles not only Skeletor, but his horde, and/or possibly any creature Skeletor creates or summons? And he wins at that. Surely that raises Skeletors magical threat level from a Superboy to current day Superman level, and again, He-Man routinely defeats them all then.
Originally posted by DTM
Also, as mentioned, if Skeletor is a "Superboy" level mage, and Oberon is "OWAW Superman", that what about when He-Man battles not only Skeletor, but his horde, and/or possibly any creature Skeletor creates or summons? And he wins at that. Surely that raises Skeletors magical threat level from a Superboy to current day Superman level, and again, He-Man routinely defeats them all then.
You seem to have forgotten the squad of super-powered weirdos that have He-man's back in these fights.
True, but He-Man is by far his groups most powerful member, most times carrying the win and his team by himself. Skeletor was a High End HW sorcerrer and He-Man would defeat him just about every time. Sure Oberon is a High level SHW sorcerrer, but He-Man is a SHW magical warrior, so I think hed do well enough to win against this foe, though hed faint 5 seconds afterward. He-Mans powers are magical, his armor is magical, his sword is magical, his enemies are magical, so overall hell be prepared to handle the likes of Oberon better than just about anybody else in this entire SHW list.
So He-man is gonna outsmart Oberon (who has full information on He-man so he, Oberon, will know exactly how much of a threat the man of He is) huh. Well lets see, when Oberon went to retrive Xanatose's baby he allowed David Xanatos a full day with his child to say good bye. In this day (and probably before in the case of Puck) Puck, Xanatos, Goliath, Fox, and that guy who owns the flying fortress all layed down tons of preperation for Oberon (and in the case of Puck had better information than even watching the whole show would impart) and then mounted a coordinated assault against him (with the help of the gargoyle clan, and special iron versions of the Steel Clan) and Oberon still beat the tar out of every single one of them. That means Oberon had one SHW (Puck), a flying fortress, over a dozen middle weights (Goliath, the Steel Clan, all the Gargoyles, and Xanatos), and a lightweight (Fox), all armed with weapons of Oberon's weakness trying to out think him with a full days prep time, and then out fight him and failed. Somehow I don't think He-man is smarter than that swarm of guys and the couple of minutes he gets to think of something before Oberon is bloweing the #### out of him is gonna be much less useful than the day (and in some cases more) prep time that they got.
Originally posted by Rando
So He-man is gonna outsmart Oberon (who has full information on He-man so he, Oberon, will know exactly how much of a threat the man of He is) huh. Well lets see, when Oberon went to retrive Xanatose's baby he allowed David Xanatos a full day with his child to say good bye. In this day (and probably before in the case of Puck) Puck, Xanatos, Goliath, Fox, and that guy who owns the flying fortress all layed down tons of preperation for Oberon (and in the case of Puck had better information than even watching the whole show would impart) and then mounted a coordinated assault against him (with the help of the gargoyle clan, and special iron versions of the Steel Clan) and Oberon still beat the tar out of every single one of them. That means Oberon had one SHW (Puck), a flying fortress, over a dozen middle weights (Goliath, the Steel Clan, all the Gargoyles, and Xanatos), and a lightweight (Fox), all armed with weapons of Oberon's weakness trying to out think him with a full days prep time, and then out fight him and failed. Somehow I don't think He-man is smarter than that swarm of guys and the couple of minutes he gets to think of something before Oberon is bloweing the #### out of him is gonna be much less useful than the day (and in some cases more) prep time that they got.
Careful Rando, youre building a perfect case for Oberon is a Cosmic Being level character here.
This being so, if Oberon beat the tar out of a SHW (Puck), a flying fortress, loads of MWs, and then some, all with a full day to plan and all armed with his one weakness, I ask again, who here even has a chance to defeat him? (I ask this to any and all, as if a majority of the voters here believe Oberon is unbeatable here with the characters on our list, then weve got our winner already)
I don't need to be careful because I'm not building a case to keep Oberon I'm building a case for him to beat He-man. Everything in that post is just a fact, if that makes Oberon too tough, then he's too tough, doesn't change the fact that he should man handle He-man. If the question is who in the list of SHW's can clearly beat him then my answer is not many, I don't think any of the entrants have a clean shot at a win (and don't think the moors are a bad pull for him either, even if he was weak against bells in his full power form there aren't any in the arena, it is a haunted house not a haunted church). Off hand I'd give reasonable odds to Mozenrath and Mewtwo, mainly because I'm pretty sure they can create, or transform matter (meaning they can make iron mess to help them out, plus screwing up super powered magical entities is what Mozenrath does, he is a much better match for this guy than He-man), aside from that I don't like anyone's chances.
OK, your opinion is duely noted. Thanks.
The Red Baron
03/05/2005, 15:25
question whats stopping oberon from yurning he mans sword into a fish?
Well, personally I dont think he has the power to. He-Mans sword is a product of the magics of Castle Greyskull, which I believe exceed Oberons own power levels. He-Man himself is essentially an Avatar of Greyskull, a perfect blend of might and magic, which is why I think hed do so well against Oberon here overall. (though with Randos explanation of a classic Oberon battle from the Gargoyles cartoon, Im beginning to doubt this and even wonder if anyone here has more than a small chance to defeat him, which is why any and all Oberon info and feedback on this subject would be very appreciated)
oberon seems quite beyonder-ish to me.... rando's example being a perfect example.
"anything i think happens" thats a nifty power.
i guess i'll vote for him, until he gets tossed out of the toc for being too powerful.
The Red Baron
03/05/2005, 17:11
hey jedah i have a prometheus that i will trade but i have no idea how to pm
Who can defeat Oberon?
Genie would have a fair chance. Yes, I know what you're thinking but there are 3 types of Genie: Rookie, Experienced and Veteran. Rookie Genie was lamp-bound and has the "Phenomenal Cosmic Powers" everyone knows about. The Experienced Genie is the one at the end of Aladdin 1, who is freed from the lamp and acts more like Plasticman for Aladdin 2 and the TV series. But the Veteran Genie from Aladdin 3 is Genie with lets say around 2 years of freedom and now has great control over his power. I for one will use the Veteran Genie as my reference point, in which case he has a fair chance of beating Oberon.
Mozenrath would also have a fair chance. This dude was supposed to be so dang powerful that he could give Sorcerer Jafar a run for his money, and Sorcerer Jafar was the most powerful being on earth. So yeah, he could arguably take Oberon.
BlackWarGreymon could reasonably do it. His entire body is Iron Full Plate, not to mention he has the flight speed, super strength, and physical durability of Superman and can create and throw supernova attacks. Oberon is in big trouble with this dude.
Dracula could also do it. He is a magic user and an extremely clever guy, who could definitely transmute things into iron with his magic, or create 100 or so magic iron bells.
Imhotep is supposed to be more powerful than Dracula in the magic department.
Mewtwo is a psychic god. He could blow Oberon’s mind (literally).
Hordak is supposed to be Uber-Skeletor so pretty good chances there.
But those are all on the list that I think would beat him… he would blow all the others away and some of you wont agree with me adding Genie to my list so I would say only 5 guys have a chance. And that is just a CHANCE, no clear victory here against him.
I will refrain from voting here until someone confirms that Oberon fits this bracket.
Nice list Poring. I'd have to say, Mewtwo is definetely one to watch in this Tournament. Phoenix imbued Jean Grey like TK, Telepathic might that'd make Professor Xavier envious, and the mind and ruthlessness of the most evil sociopaths in history...he struck me as a villain who'd easily be at home in a sci-fi horror film when I first saw him.
Mozenrath is also one dangerous young man. Magic is this guy's bread and butter, only Genie could compare to his might.
Oberon is King of the Fae. All magic is, is change. All change is an extension of chaos. The Fae are beings of pure chaos and thus, change. Thus, they are beings of magic. That's how he'd put it.
At absolute full power, Oberon is easily a cosmic being, his thought becomes reality. Here, I'm assuming its after his mortal rebirth, and thus, he actually needs some concentration. Thing is, in a 25 mile arena, he can do that. By the time he and He-man are at contact distance, Oberon's established omniscience, and has begun his magical onslaught. As has been said, he doesn't even have to attack Adam directly, the whole #### moon will be assaulting him!
just out of curiousity, will hordak suffer from "witch king syndrome"?
the "he got beat by a girl, so he's a weak fool!" comment.
Not when the girl is a near Wonder Woman level character, I doubt it.
What, no love for Venger or Tiamat to do well against Oberon? They are the 2 most powerful beings in a world full of sorcerrers, wizards mages and all things magical. All in all, I think theyd do quite well here too.
He-Man - 6 votes
Overon - 11 votes
My thinking is that Tiamat is the one to watch for...the evil dragon queen is gonna be the one that takes a while to get rid of.
I agree with all of the pro-He-man arguments, I just don't see it happening more than 50% of the time.
The Red Baron
03/06/2005, 01:49
dont blowup mewtwo out of portion here, he did nothing on the tv show and the only powers he showed were on the movie
Um, in the TV show he tore apart Giovanni's mansion, and earlier took down a Nidoking, Arcanine, and a Gyarados all at once. End of second series.
I'm also referring to the licenced manga for the first movie, where he operated his entire base telekinetically, while taking control of all the Pokemon on the island, and pounding their trainers with a TK assault.
And MSU, I forgot about Tiamat when I posted. She is a definite danger.
Prof. Aragorn
03/06/2005, 03:41
A lot closer of a match than many are thinking. He-man appears to have some resistance to magic-being somewhat magical himself-on top of that he has a huge amount of willpower and strength that just won't quit. Oberon is a powerful mage guy who can lay wastes to many a thing-probably one of the most powerful characters in this tournament. He-man can probably pick up a huge rock with some iron ore in it and fling it at giant Oberon, then take up the sword and go to town. Eventually Oberon beats the guy, but he'll be close to almost failing. It's a close fight-probably 60/40 in favor of Oberon.
Vote: Oberon
(and not to mention the fact that Oberon mostly dealt with middleweights at best, and was eventually defeated by them (he was-wasn't he?)
Paradox Factor
03/06/2005, 03:47
So, my thought on this is that He-Man is to Greyskull as Oberon is to Avalon. So which is more powerful? Man, I gotta go with He-Man. Remember, Oberons magical energy does have limits. I think He-Man is one of the few combatants who can go the distance and outlast the Lord of Avalon.
Paradox Factor
03/06/2005, 04:03
(and not to mention the fact that Oberon mostly dealt with middleweights at best, and was eventually defeated by them (he was-wasn't he?)
Well, yes and no. In his first appearince, it was Elisa ( a Lightweight at best) who defeated him. She had her pistol melted down and forged into a bell. When it was rung, the iron bell's noies physicaly hurt Oberon. Remember though, that Oberon's powers were reduced to "that of a child". In his second appearence, He challanged a large group of foes; Goliath's clan (6 MWs), Xanatos in combat armor (MW), a group of Steel clan robots that had been covered in iron ( 3 MWs, i think), the Flying Fortress with robot drones (I'd put it at a HW at best. A few lightning strikes took it down.), and Puck (possably a SHW. Remember that Puck was unwilling to help until the end of the battle, and all he did was animate a few statues to attack Oberon. Also, Oberon is his ruler. I don't think he could do much against Oberon due to a magical bond between Oberon and all of his children. Look at how easly Oberon stripped Puck of his powers at the end of the battle.) Oberon defeated them all, but was very draied of his magical energy by the end of the fight.
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
A lot closer of a match than many are thinking. He-man appears to have some resistance to magic-being somewhat magical himself-on top of that he has a huge amount of willpower and strength that just won't quit. Oberon is a powerful mage guy who can lay wastes to many a thing-probably one of the most powerful characters in this tournament. He-man can probably pick up a huge rock with some iron ore in it and fling it at giant Oberon, then take up the sword and go to town. Eventually Oberon beats the guy, but he'll be close to almost failing. It's a close fight-probably 60/40 in favor of Oberon.
Vote: Oberon
(and not to mention the fact that Oberon mostly dealt with middleweights at best, and was eventually defeated by them (he was-wasn't he?)
No he wasn't. The only time Oberon ever lost was in his first appearance when he allowed Titania to drain his strength to that of a child, he was then on the verge of defeat at the hands of a weapon that the people on Avalon only knew to build because Titania told them too (and notably she was on hand and would probably not have allowed them to seriously injure Oberon). At full power he was never defeated, he took everyone out eventually, he only left Xanatos his baby because during the fight Fox showed some magic still in her and then Titania used that to convince Oberon that the baby could still learn magic on Earth. At the end of the battle Oberon was in full control of the field (and still powerful enough to level a powerful curse on Puck, in minutes).
The Red Baron
03/06/2005, 12:23
so rando the only way to defeat this guy is with a iron bell.
Actually that only worked when he was as weak as a child, I expect that it doesn't when he is full power as, unless I'm mistaken, Titania was there while they were ringing it and it didn't affect her (and all the children of Oberon share that weakness), in addition were the bell effective on a full power Oberon then Puck would have had one (or more) on hand in the defense systems that he designed to stop Oberon.
The Red Baron
03/06/2005, 12:42
so what can beat him
I can only extrapolate since he never lost a fight in his full power form in the show, but if I had to guess something powerful enough to suffer his magical attacks beating the tar out of him with an iron weapon (that could actually attack him with it) might do it. Just getting hit with iron isn't enough, at one point he got shot in the chest with an iron harpoon and he yanked it out and kept going. Someone who was just more powerful and capable of battleing Oberon on equal terms would also be a reasonable threat.
Oberon - 12 votes
He-Man - 7 votes
thedon99
03/06/2005, 13:16
#### it, I must vote He-Man. I understand how powerful Oberon is, but i think He-Man is one of the characters that potentially have an advantage. His advantage is dealing with magic users constantly, like DTM said. I think his resistance to magic allows him to get close and end Oberon.
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Hmmmm, just 4 votes seperate there two combatants, looks like this battle isnt over yet, BUT it will be in about 2 days time, so if you havent gotten your vote or say so in now, your time is running out.
How is He-Man even going to REACH Oberon? They guy can fly at will, and last time I checked, He-Man can't.
And if He-Man tries to throw a chunk of the moon at Oberon, then it becomes a bundle of daisies as he hefts it.
Oberon defeated them all, but was very draied of his magical energy by the end of the fight.
And a large part of that was probably the iron harpoon to the chest from surprise by Xanatos's father.
Oberon delt with the 10 or so MWs, one HW defense grid, and some help from Puck all at the same time, and took a major iron wound.
He-Man has the iron, but he still doesn't have the power to win, especially not with his huge tactical disadvantage (I.e. No flight. Again, Oberon melts the ground under him, throws him away with hurricanes, etc.. He's pure magic, he normally fights at a distance).
The Red Baron
03/06/2005, 23:46
and how is he not a cosmic guy
and how is he not a cosmic guy
Well, he's fairly comparable to a powerful Green Lantern, with yellow weakness, but more versatility with his magic (he can affect terrain more directly, and also alter himself, which isn't -too- different from a GL making an energy shell, but it allows a few more abilities).
Considering Green Lanterns without weaknesses are still SHWs, and they aren't cosmic, that's a pretty good indicator.
Hmm... you know, Oberon is almost exactly Alan Scott +5%.
He's Darksied level. Silver Surfer level (another good comparison- Power Cosmic and all). Maybe Thanos level. All of whom were SHWs in past tournies.
The Red Baron
03/07/2005, 00:37
I WILL NOT GET OVER IT, but not wanting to become the next prof a i will stifle myself for now. but i still have a question can he be beat by a good old fashion slug fight.
He can be, but it would require a really really powerful opponent, like the aformentioned Darksieds and Thanos and Surfer and Alan Scott (although even for the guys on that level, it would be a hard fight, Oberon would most likely have the edge against the last two).
Sheesh, Oberon is a magical Thanos level character? Ouch. Well, I guess he stays, as we really dont have a huge public outcry to get rid of Oberon, though Id be curious if he walks all over his opponents here or not.
I'd say he's behind Thanos in power (especially when you fit in the weakness thing), but basically yes.
Originally posted by Q99
Oberon defeated them all, but was very draied of his magical energy by the end of the fight.
And a large part of that was probably the iron harpoon to the chest from surprise by Xanatos's father.
Oberon delt with the 10 or so MWs, one HW defense grid, and some help from Puck all at the same time, and took a major iron wound.
He-Man has the iron, but he still doesn't have the power to win, especially not with his huge tactical disadvantage (I.e. No flight. Again, Oberon melts the ground under him, throws him away with hurricanes, etc.. He's pure magic, he normally fights at a distance).
He-man doesn't have any iron.
Originally posted by DTM
Sheesh, Oberon is a magical Thanos level character? Ouch. Well, I guess he stays, as we really dont have a huge public outcry to get rid of Oberon, though Id be curious if he walks all over his opponents here or not.
Considering that his opponent in this match cannot even attack him, and this is the closest match of the first four I wouldn't worry too much about Oberon walking all over people.
I think Oberon will have the most trouble against the Mecha. Against some of the small ones, indirect attacks are fine, but how would you beat, say, Omega Supreme or Big O if they have iron in them and you can't affect that (well, maybe make big earth golems... but those'd be fairly inefficient uses of magic)? Oberon can't even mind-attack a pilot who's in an iron shell.
He-man doesn't have any iron.
His sword is steel (Iron/carbon alloy), I believe.
No as mentioned previosly He-man's sword is made of Eternium. No way are the transformers or Big-O iron, unless I'm mistaken iron is less durable than steel, if either of them were made of iron that would mean that they are made of a less durable metal than we use now.
Iron is a part of steel. Steel is an alloy (actually, steel pretty much means 'any alloy of iron'. The most common type is Iron + Carbon. Stainless steel is Iron + Chrome, or Iron + Carbon + Chrome. And so on. Most swords are a combination of high-carbon/lower iron steel and low-carbon/higher iron steel). Iron's in a lot of really durable materials because it adds flexibility which increases overall strength a lot.
And oh yea, Eternium. I guess He-Man is extra-screwed.
The Red Baron
03/07/2005, 23:13
but at least mechs get a fighting shot
Look up your legends people, unless its PURE iron, it doesn't worry the Fae Folk. Who ever heard of pewter (lead/silver IIRC) hurting Werewolves?
Same principle.
Originally posted by ca551u5
Look up your legends people, unless its PURE iron, it doesn't worry the Fae Folk. Who ever heard of pewter (lead/silver IIRC) hurting Werewolves?
Same principle.
You don't even need to reference the legends upon which Oberon is based to prove this. One of the defenses that Puck enacted was to refurbish the Steel Clan (which is made of steel) with iron in order to allow them to combat Oberon. If Iron alloys, like steel, were effective against Oberon then this would have been unnecessary. Furthemore in the episode where Oberon assaulted Xanatos's building he blew up the metal generators that were powering the forcefield around the building, the genrators were obviously a grey metal which would mean they had to be either iron or an alloy thereof, if they were iron then Oberon couldn't have directly destroyed them with magic (and he did), ergo they must have been an alloy, which Oberon obliterated. Unless the mechs and robots in this division are made of a metal that makes them less durable than conventional military hardware (which will make them easy meat for things like Godzilla and Tiamat) then they afford no special protection against Oberon.
Lisa threatened him with a handgun, which is mostly iron with some carbon, steel. I think if it's mostly iron, it still does something.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, we know impure iron still works against Oberon to an extent (Lisa threatened him with a handgun, which is mostly iron with some carbon, steel), although not -as- much as the pure stuff. Steel works, although I'll note it's majority iron.
So with this Oberon, the myths miss him by a bit.
Oberon also doesn't know about metallurgy, he didn't even know what a handgun was. He saw a grey metal and assumed it was iron, it was never actually used upon him to inflict damage of any kind.
Drat, you quoted my post before I read the post above mine and editted!
Hmm... although that gun was melted down and turned into the bell. The process they used could remove a good portion of the carbon content, but the bell, which worked, probably couldn't have been pure iron.
Originally posted by Q99
Drat, you quoted my post before I read the post above mine and editted!
Hmm... although that gun was melted down and turned into the bell. The process they used could remove a good portion of the carbon content, but the bell, which worked, probably couldn't have been pure iron.
Wrong again. They melted down iron chains that had been used to trap Magus in an earlier episode, and the chains were absolutely pure iron, they had to be to serve their function.
Drat. I'm really not batting well on this topic, am I?
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