Clix vs. Comix TOC! 26-30pts. Round 2 Match 1: AQUAMAN VS. CHAMELEON

[Magnito]

Round 1 is over, let round 2 begin!

I was playing Heroclix the other day, and building my team, I had 103 points left. I looked at my selection and realized that U HT Batman and R IC Hulk both cost the same. This got me thinking. Just because they are Heroclix equals doesn’t translate back translate back to comics. I think most of us would agree that Hulk could beat Batman in a fight.

That is the idea for this tournament. Every entry will be close to the same amount of points Heroclix wise, but this will be their comic forms fighting!

Rules:
This will be a standard single elimination tournament with 32 combatants. There will be 2 to a fight. They get no knowledge of each other (unless they have fought in the past). The only thing they get is the Heroclix figure of there enemies, and a PAC so they know what the opponent looks like and a bit about what they can do (this can be misleading however, like if they face Electro and think he will try to poison them). They will have 5 minutes to prepare. This is a fight to the death or KO, whichever happens first, and they must fight (no waiting for the opponent to die of starvation). They have with them what they normally carry and what there fig has if it is different. (Like how Bullseye doesn’t carry a gun, but he has one on the fig). If the fig that is being used is the rookie, you do NOT have to treat the fighter like that. (unless the characters powers change dramatically ie: Rouge)

When you vote, please try to justify your answer. You don’t have to write an essay, just a short explanation will do.

Terrain
There are 10 terrains that are all 5 miles in diameter. They will be chosen randomly.
With out further delay…

Aquaman
fig from HT, 27pts.
vs.
Chameleon
fig from UN, 30pts.

Terrain:
University Campus by Magnito
Campus buildings all around, and they are stocked with everything you might expect find. Chemicals in the Chemistry building, plants in the biology, large lecture halls, ect. There are underground tunnels connecting all the buildings. Parking lots surround the campus, along with dorm rooms. Outside the campus, but still in the terrain are buildings that would appeal to a younger crowd. (Fast Food places, Bars and even a shopping mall). Inspired by: My Life!!

21-25pts Winner: Live Wire

Round 1
Gambit vs. Witchblade: Witchblade
Magdalena vs. Chameleon: Chameleon
Wolfsbane vs. Pyro: Pyro
Shadowcat vs. Scarlet Witch: Scarlet Witch
Harley Quinn vs. Zatanna: Zatanna
Shi vs. Iceman: Iceman
Blue Beetle vs. Hellcat: Blue Beetle
Moon Knight vs. Daredevil: Daredevil
Blade vs. Scorpion: Scorpion
Magick vs. Hawkeye: Hawkeye
Silver Samurai vs. Marrow: Silver Samurai
Bullseye vs. Hawkgirl: Bullseye
Aquaman vs. Avalanche: Aquaman
Black Panther vs. Booster Gold: Booster Gold
Black Widow vs. Psylocke: Psylocke
Penguin vs. Green Arrow: Green Arrow

Round 2
Aquaman vs. Chameleon:

[Magnito]

and the whoclix bios...

AQUAMAN
Born of a human father and Atlantean mother, Arthur Curry could breathe underwater and telepathically communicate with sea life. He joined the JLA seeking acceptance on the surface world, but realized he had to follow his true destiny as Orin, King of Atlantis. Tragedy has marred his life; He has lost his kingdom and wife, his baby son was killed by Black Manta and he lost a hand to the villain Charybdis. Aquaman was recently the protector of the seven seas until he lost his life defending Atlantis against the galactic threat Imperiex.

CHAMELEON
In the 30th century, the natives of the planet Durla have learned to change shape at will. Hoping to use these abilities for good, Reep Daggle joined the Legion of Superheroes. Using his antenna, he can analyze objects or life forms and shape his body into perfect duplicates of both things both real and fictitious. As a member of the Legion's Espionage Squad, his finest moment came when he tricked United Planets President Chu into admitting multiple crimes against the galaxy. Reep became the spiritual leader of Durla after the death of his father and has an unrequited crush on fellow team member Spark.

[Magnito]

I'll start things up by voting for Chameleon. This isn't a good terrain for Aurther. He doesn't have much to work with. Reep on the other hand can adapt to any terrain, and be just as deadly. My vote...
CHAMELEON

[Q99]

Aquaman, fairly handily. One, he's a psychic, and two, he's overall a superior warrior. Stronger, tougher, etc.. Deathstroke the Terminator once dropped a building on Arthur to slow him down so Slade could run away. Upper limit of strength is about tank-throwing level. Somewhat enhanced agility. Plus, I believe the click version is the harpoon hand version, so he has a weapon and tool in one (grapple line, etc.. Often used to entangle foes).


Also, he fights in urban terrain fairly often. And, while it's no ocean, there's plenty of water here. Swimming pool, fountains, drinking fountains, so no chance of dehydrating and some chance of using it to his advantage.



Not to discount Chameleon, he's a pretty trickey fighter who can turn into tough things and has done some HtH training with Karate Kid, but (1) Aquaman has stunned titans and martians with his telepathy, and (2) Aquaman is a very powerful fighter. He's even more impressive in HtH skill than Chameleon and tougher than most of his forms. And once it gets into a strait fight, Arthur has the edge in experiance and having the opportunity to mind-zap him.

[GAMURAI]

I give it to aquaman for the reason that he is always going up in hand to hand combat with monstrous creatures which is probably the forms chameleon will use for combat. Aquaman is ultra durable and able to dish out lots of damage. Didn't know his mental powers affected anything besides fish

[Rokk_Krinn]

First off, Cham has enough telepathic defense that Saturn Girl - a far superior telepath to Aquaman or J'onn - can't detect him easily when he's form-shifted and has had trouble reading his mind.

Secondly, yeah Arthur's tough but some of Cham's forms are downright horrific for Arthur to have to fight. Corrosive ooze? Yep. Got it. Volcanic beasts? Yeah, seen it. Gargantuan mammosaurs that dwarf dinosaurs? Old hat. On the flipside, if Cham decides brute force doesn't work he can easily wear out Arthur. Cham is far more endurable - considering his "vitals" are shiftable and not really "vital", he can take a pounding while just tying up Arthur for a constriction win. That doesn't work, Cham just goes down Arthur's throat and suffocates the Atlantean.

[GAMURAI]

Arthur's usually not very fazed by magma etc. It all comes as part of the territory being the lord of the sea to be able to handle extremes in temperature. The ooze and lack of discernable vitals is going to be ouch but i still see aquaman carrying this fight. Big is no trouble for him. How many times has the man had to fight leviathans? Thats what he does.

[Magoogles]

Chameleon gets my vote.
He has to many different forms he can turn into

[Q99]

Cham is far more endurable - considering his "vitals" are shiftable and not really "vital", he can take a pounding while just tying up Arthur for a constriction win.

I wouldn't say that. Sure, he doesn't have vitals, but overall he's also a lot less dense.

First off, Cham has enough telepathic defense that Saturn Girl - a far superior telepath to Aquaman or J'onn - can't detect him easily when he's form-shifted and has had trouble reading his mind.

(Sidenote- I'd personally rate J'onn pretty close to SG, personally)

Aquaman's psychics aren't very good at finding people anyway (although he does have eyes that can see in the ocean's depths to make up for it), but is very good offensively. Note, he used it against a Martian, natural psychics of high power, and took him out.

Didn't know his mental powers affected anything besides fish

He pretty much has two powers: One, telepathy, which he can use to speak underwater, as well as in pretty brute-force powerful psychic attacks (I haven't seen mind reading or mind control, but stuff like *pain* and *KOs* are fine), and two, total command of fish/aquatic lifeforms, telling them what to do and they do it.

The first can be resisted, with great difficulty (he has a really strong mind). The second is pretty much total.


If he can trick Chameleon into turing into something aquatic, Chameleon is his. Although Chameleon might have some chance of knowing his power from the historicals, it's not a huge chance (he wasn't one of the major history buffs iirc, and in the version of legion not counting the newest one, they got a lot of stuff confused).

If he can't, he has another attack option that can probably, at the least, stun Chameleon for a minute.



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This is actually a really good fight- They're both much more powerful than most people would think.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Chamelon. Too versatile for Aquaman to handle.

[DTM]

Im going Aquaman again. Too much of a warrior to lose to Chameleon (who at first I thought we were talking about Spider-Mans Chameleon) Hes got the will, the experience, the guts and the power to KO Cham more than not in my book.

I wouldnt go past the idea of several good-sized fountains in a college campus, which Arthur can use for a very quick boost or full recharge of his powers.

My Vote - Aquaman

[The Red Baron]

I also vote aquaman one of the most underated characters out there and one of the best clix. The guy could take control of he changes to any marine life and wiether or not this is the water barer aquaman he can control water. so my vote aqua man

[Magnito]

TIED!!!!!

[Jackygobang]

It's all about Aquaman. His psychic abilities are good, and he's stronger than any form Chameleon could make up. Simple explanation, but it's a simple verdict.

[michiganj24]

Chameleon if he keep thsi fight out of the water and limit Aqua's resources then its a mudstomping

[WeaverZebedee]

It's all Arthur. He's a lot more durable, and more experienced. Still, it could go to Chameleon... I'd say it'd be 70% Aquaman, 30% Chameleon.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I hope people realize that just because Chameleon _emulates_ an aquatic form he's not actually an aquatic creature for purposes of Aquaman's telepathy. He's still an alien mentality and his "brain" doesn't have to shift to the same form as the outside (which is one way he protects himself). Arthur did hurt a White Martian - one time (Grant Morrison power trip :) ) - but that was because the Martian's ganglia was similar enough in form to an aquatic creatures.

As for Cham not being as strong, frankly we've seen Cham take on forms that would put Arthur's strength level to shame. Massive heavy-density creatures like Jovian Montressaurs. There's still the basic "envelop and constrict" attack to wear down Arthur. Aquaman can't fight what he can't injure and his stamina will give out.

Oh, and being King of the Seas doesn't give Arthur protection against temperature extremes on the "hot" range - one of his on-going weaknesses is being dehydrated and drained from heat. We've seen Cham take on forms that have "volcanic sulfur vents" on them - that would do a bit of a job on Aquaman.

[GAMURAI]

Oh, and being King of the Seas doesn't give Arthur protection against temperature extremes on the "hot" range - one of his on-going weaknesses is being dehydrated and drained from heat. We've seen Cham take on forms that have "volcanic sulfur vents" on them - that would do a bit of a job on Aquaman.
I can see dry getting to him but not "hot". The oceans have some of the highest non man made temperatures on the earth. Volcanic vents in deep sea vents can cause the highly pressurised water to rise to 400°C (750°F) or higher.

[Q99]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
I hope people realize that just because Chameleon _emulates_ an aquatic form he's not actually an aquatic creature for purposes of Aquaman's telepathy. He's still an alien mentality and his "brain" doesn't have to shift to the same form as the outside (which is one way he protects himself). Arthur did hurt a White Martian - one time (Grant Morrison power trip :) ) - but that was because the Martian's ganglia was similar enough in form to an aquatic creatures.



Actually, Grant Morrison got it wrong on the martian needing to be similar to aquatic life- Arthur has done that kind of stuff in his own comic on Titans, magic beings with no aquatic ancestory at all.



That is within his power level. Although telepathic blasts do require a lot of effort from him, they work on anything his normal mental abilities (the one that allows him to speak underwater with anyone) does. The command of fish is another level above that.