Help with X-Men comic Team Rosters & Events.

[Darth Sabre]

So I'm working on a few things and want to make sure I have a few things correctly.

We all know that the original X-Men were Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel, and Beast. After those 5, the next three members were Mimic, Havok, and Polaris.

Did any of those three replace any of the fab five, or were they members along side the other 5? I know that Mimic came and went, before Havok and Polaris joined the team.

Next:

During the Mutant Massacre, the X-Men team included:

Wolverine
Colossus
Rogue
Shadowcat
Nightcrawler
Storm (w/o powers)

During that time:

Magneto and Magick worked with the team some and Psylocke became a member (issue #213) team after the Massacre.

During the Massacre, Nightcrawler was shredded to bits by Riptide, and Shadowcat was hit by one of Harpoon's spears, causing her to be in a permanent state of phasing.

In issue #214 Dazzler became a member, and in issue #215 Longshot became a member.

Didn't Dazzler & Longshot replace Nightcrawler & Shadowcat?

Shadowcat was cured by Reed Richards during the X-Men/FF mini series.

During Inferno, IIRC the team was:

Wolverine
Psylocke
Colossus
Storm (who IIRC had her powers back by then)
Rogue
Longshot
Dazzler

After Inferno, the X-Men were believed to be dead, and Nightcrawler (now recovered from the events of the Massacre) & Shadowcat joined Captain Britain, Meggan, and Phoenix (Rachel) as members of Excalibur.

Are those events correct and are those teams correct? Thanks!

[Darth Sabre]

Anybody?

:noid:

[darkomr]

From Mutant Massacre on you're right, the stuff before X-Men #209 I don't know about.

[Kaitouace]

During the first scenario you mention I'm pretty sure that they all stayed on the team. No one left until after Giant Size X-Men #1 when the "All New, All Different" team showed up. I believe all the originals + Havok and Polaris were captured by Krakoa.

During the second scenario, you're right. After Mutant Massacre Kitty and Nightcrawler were sent to Muir Island to heal, basically taking them off the team while Dazzler and Longshot joined up. Basically set up Excalibur.

[Ultimate2099]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
Anybody?

:noid:
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[Kaitouace]

Oh. Havok's in that group in Inferno. Although he was briefly turned evil by the Goblyn Queen.

[Darth Sabre]

yeah, I read last night that Havok and Polaris were among those captured by Krokoa, and that Cyclops got away, and led the new team to rescue them. Mimic on the other hand was considered to be dead by then.

Thanks for confirming the rest. I used to have those issues, and then my collection was stolen some 10-11 years ago. So most of that was from recollection

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
Oh. Havok's in that group in Inferno. Although he was briefly turned evil by the Goblyn Queen.

He wasn't evil so much as he was seduced and tricked by Madelyn. It was towards the end of the story that he turned on her.

Polaris was at that time possessed by Malice.

[CandySuxxx]

dont forget Colossus killed Riptide, grab him while he was a spinnin' and snapped his neck, and Colossus couldnt revert back to flesh form

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by CandySuxxx
dont forget Colossus killed Riptide, grab him while he was a spinnin' and snapped his neck, and Colossus couldnt revert back to flesh form

And Jean smashed Prism into a wall! ;)

[rosttercel]

prior to the Mutant Massacre, Phoenix II was also on the team. she got stabbed through the heart by Wolverine and was left with (captured by) Spiral.

-Rob

[cattmoe]

I don't think it was Mimic... I think you're thinking of Changeling. To my knowledge Mimic never died; the last i remember he showed up in the "Hunt for Xavier" storyline shortly after Zero Tolerance.

[ace]

x men rosters

original
cyclops, iceman, jean, angel, beast, prof x

add ons, mimic for about three issues, changeling as prof x, havok and polaris

giant sized x men
nightcrawler, wolverine, colosus, storm, banshee, thunderbird, sunfire, (cyclops stays on, jean joins as phoenix later on)

sunfire leaves right away, thunderbird dies, banshee gets hurt around 118

havok, polaris and multiple man guest star during the proteus saga

beast guest stars in dark phoenix saga, kitty joins, angel joins

cyclops quits in 138

angel quits in 144 i believe

cyclops comes back in 150, or 149 or something

binary joins during the skrull debacle, and leaves when rogue joins (and lockheed joins too)

Rachel joins in 184

Magneto joins prior to 200

you got the masacre stuff right (phoenix leaves)

psylocke havok, dazzler and longshot join prior to fall of the mutants

forge is special x men member as he helps during fall of the mutants

inferno has madelyn on the team also

now we get to the tricky part

shortly after inferno jubilee technically joins

but the x men go through the siege perilous

and we have the muir island x men

which includes
legion, sunder, amanda sefton, forge, banshee, and multiple man (maybe more, but i am not sure)

the mutants start reappearning
and gambit joins the team
the team after xtinction agenda looks like
wolverine, storm, gambit, jubilee, psylocke, forge, and banshee

then comes the muir island saga and the gold and blue teams, and I am sure everyone knows about those

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by cattmoe
I don't think it was Mimic... I think you're thinking of Changeling. To my knowledge Mimic never died; the last i remember he showed up in the "Hunt for Xavier" storyline shortly after Zero Tolerance.

Actually Mimic was dead. They brought him back and ret conned his return. But originally he was dead.

[Ro-gan]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
So I'm working on a few things and want to make sure I have a few things correctly.

We all know that the original X-Men were Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel, and Beast. After those 5, the next three members were Mimic, Havok, and Polaris.

Did any of those three replace any of the fab five, or were they members along side the other 5? I know that Mimic came and went, before Havok and Polaris joined the team.

Granted, I am not familiar with non-CC stuff, but here we go:

I don't think Mimic was ever actually a member. I think he just stuck around for a bit to boost sales.

Havok and Polaris were just reserve members and never really joined the team.

Havok officially joined right after the Mutant Massacre when he found Storm's team talking about going underground and faking their deaths and striking at their enemies before they could strike at them. When they found Havok spying on them there was talk about just killing him so their plans wouldn't be endangered.

Polaris never officially joined the X-Men. She was rescued by them when Zaladane kidnapped her and then the whole Shadow King storyline happened. After that she and Havok joined X-Factor.



Next:

During the Mutant Massacre, the X-Men team included:

Wolverine
Colossus
Rogue
Shadowcat
Nightcrawler
Storm (w/o powers)

Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) was stabbed by Wolverine a couple issues before Mutant Massacre and kidnapped/enticed by Spiral and whisked away to the Body Shoppe. You were right not to mention her.

Illyana was there, though. But, Storm sent her away quick after their first encounter with the Marauders and told her to take the casualties with her and to NOT come back.

During that time:

Magneto and Magick worked with the team some and Psylocke became a member (issue #213) team after the Massacre.

During the Massacre, Nightcrawler was shredded to bits by Riptide, and Shadowcat was hit by one of Harpoon's spears, causing her to be in a permanent state of phasing.

In issue #214 Dazzler became a member, and in issue #215 Longshot became a member.

Didn't Dazzler & Longshot replace Nightcrawler & Shadowcat?

Allison/Dazzler stayed with the X-Men after they freed her from Malice. When she was freed Malice took Polaris's body in a later issue.

Shadowcat was cured by Reed Richards during the X-Men/FF mini series.

During Inferno, IIRC the team was:

Wolverine
Psylocke
Colossus
Storm (who IIRC had her powers back by then)
Correct.
Rogue
Longshot
Dazzler

After Inferno, the X-Men were believed to be dead, and Nightcrawler (now recovered from the events of the Massacre) & Shadowcat joined Captain Britain, Meggan, and Phoenix (Rachel) as members of Excalibur.

Actually, after The Fall Of The Mutants the X-Men were considered dead. Inferno didn't happen to about a year or so later.

Are those events correct and are those teams correct? Thanks!

I'm impressed, Darth Sabre! That's really good from memory. ;)

[Darth Sabre]

Thanks ro_gan! Contrary to popular belief, I love the X-Men. I had a run, from Issue 99- well into the 260, all annuals, and just about every X-over. I was also able to get a hold of several of the reprinted issues, and actually liked Mimic. Much like you, I love what CC did with the team during his golden age with the team period. ;)

Now, onto a few things (memory and research has yeilded the following information):

Mimic joined the X-Men in issue #27 ( I used to have the reprint of this issue), and was expelled 2 issues later. He actually blackmailed his way onto the team by threatening to expose their identities.

Havok and Polaris were members of the X-Men. Havok joined in issue #54, and Polaris in issue 60. 5 issues later, the series was cancelled, and went to reprints (1969).

I can't imagine 6 years of reprinted comics.

Anyway, then in 1975, the Giant Sized Issue was produced, and the team that was captured was:

Angel, Marvel Girl, Ice Man, Havok, and Polaris. Beast was already an Avenger at this point. Cyclops managed to escape capture and, and lead the new team to save the old team. Issue 94, is where all those X-Men leave the team, as well as Sunfire…..and the rest as they say- is history.

I should've remembered the Fall of the Mutants story line, as my run lasted past that event, through the Atlantis Attacks, IIRC.

This has been great! Also if any of you would like to list teams during subsequent X-Men story lines of importance, by all means knock yourselves out.

[rosttercel]

there are plenty of generations of teams since after you left off. Heck, after the Siege Perilous, the team pretty much consisted of Banshee and Forge. During x-tinction agenda, the team was reformed becoming:
Wolverine
Psylocke (in asian body)
Banshee
Forge
Storm (back as an adult)
Jubilee
Gambit

during the Muir Island saga, Colossus and Rogue rejoined.
immediately after the Muir Island saga came Mutant Genesis when the original X-Factor team rejoined. at that point, the team split into two groups (three if you count reserve members)

Blue:
Cyclops
Beast
Wolverine
Psylocke
Gambit
Jubilee

Gold:
Storm
Jean Grey
Colossus
Archangel
Iceman

Reserve:
Prof. X
Forge
Banshee

any other changes I'd have to look up. it becomes hard to keep track of changes because they start happening so fast.

-Rob

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by rosttercel

Psylocke (in asian body)
Storm (back as an adult)

Thanks for the info! However, I am puzzeled by the above. WTF?

Also, did they just skip Betsy's story in Ultimate X-Men? The reason I ask, is because she was already in an Asian body when she was introduced, IIRC.

[doctor_x]

I always thought that Mimic left the original group to go into hiding because he was too powerful being able to absorb other mutant's powers like Rogue.

He has stayed in hiding because he wants to be left alone and in peace.
Unfortunately.

Mimic made a one issue cameo during the hunt for Xavier when Cable went after a mutant signature along with Caliban who tracked him down.


I think Mimic is a great and interesting character that still needs to be fully explored.


Also, during the new Xmen, Banshee and Sunfire and Thunderbird were on the team.

Thunderbird was killed off early.

Unfortunately.

Sunfire left in a huff, Polaris left and so did Havoc.
Iceman was a Defender, beast was an Avenger, don't remember what happened to Angel.

So I think the new team after all the leavings and killings was:

Cyclops
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Storm
Jean Grey
Colosuss
Banshee

[Darth Sabre]

Doctor X> When I'm talking about Mimic, I'm talking about Mimic in the 60's..not since they "found" him again. The Mimic that was thought to be killed by the Hulk. After that, it was retconned that he was in a coma.

[rosttercel]

okay...Psylocke was born as a Britain. but when the X-Men went through the Siege Perilous to escape the Reavers, she emerged some time later in an asian body under the control of the Hand. Thanks to Wolverine she broke the mind control but to this day is in an Asian body. the actual story behind this change is too confusing for this post for now...

Storm was supposedly killed by Havok during a struggle with the cyborg Nanny (in Jim Lee's first X-Men issue ever). However in reality she was reduced to the size of a child and her mind was wiped. Again later, she reappeared (still as a child) and befriended Gambit. during X-tinction agenda she was turned into a Genoshan Mutate, but the Genegineer input a program into her genes that caused her to revert to full adult and full power level once she would use her powers to return the mutant powers to one of her captured teammates.

and when did they introduce Betsy in Ultimate X-Men? I don't remember her being in there...

-Rob

[CandySuxxx]

Originally posted by rosttercel
okay...Psylocke was born as a Britain. but when the X-Men went through the Siege Perilous to escape the Reavers, she emerged some time later in an asian body under the control of the Hand. Thanks to Wolverine she broke the mind control but to this day is in an Asian body. the actual story behind this change is too confusing for this post for now...

Betsy was found by Matsu'o after the Siege Perilous and swiched minds Betsy's mind w/ Kwannon

Originally posted @ uncannyxmen.net
Matsu'o later commissioned Spiral to exchange Betsy's mind with the assassin Kwannon, and Psylocke gained a new Asian body with depleted power levels and the ability to generate a psychic knife in Uncanny X-Men #256. After Kwannon died in X-Men #31, her full potential returned.

Originally posted by rosttercel
and when did they introduce Betsy in Ultimate X-Men? I don't remember her being in there...

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