Weekly Poll: Fantastic Forces...hot or not?

[webhead817]

Based on what we've seen so far, is Fantastic Forces going to be a hot set, or not?

[Ultimate2099]

I love the idea of so many giant figures. But the thing I really love is the return of the Fantastic Four (hopefully this team will work a little better--I'm talking to you Reed) and of course the long begged for Namor!!! Woot!!!

[EmperorNorton]

Not hot, at least for me.
I probably won't know any of the new characters and in my opinion the booster prices are ridiculously high as they are now, even with four pieces. Perhaps a giant character is worth two normal sized commons, but a fig with two bases? I don't think so.
Most likely I will spend even less on this set than on MM.

[Kaitouace]

Extremely hot. Putting the whole "money" issue aside look what you have.

More giant figs
New "dual base" figs
The return of the Fantastic Four (hopefully with original TA)
The long-awaited appearance of Namor
A new speed sub-type with "Transporter" that should really open up the game
Some apparently REALLY awesome new LEs

What's not to love?

[Darth Sabre]

I'm not going to vote, because, I'm on the fence about this set.

I'm always happy to get more figures, regardless of what line they are from. And I have gotten to know WK enough to not fool myself into thinking that this isn't going to happen in a DC set.

Giant figs are cool...so long as we aren't bombarded with more Ultimate Giant-Man figures. Aside from the Giant figures rules, he's pretty worthless. It's bad enough that I have to stomach another Hank Pym figure. :angry:

If we get quality figures, then great. If not, then this set could go down as the biggest dissapointment WK has put out to date.

Mounted figures, on the other hand, we have no real precedent for (other than the MK ones), so it's exciting to see how WK will work these into the rules.

That being said..no matter how people justify it, getting less figures in a case, for the the price that we paid for Mutant Mayhem and Legacy, blows.
You are still getting less figures, no matter how much plastic is in the booster. Also, what ever happened to the shrink wrap, which help sell consumers on the price hike? :rolleyes:

[Kirby]

I have bought less and less boosters per wave since Indy. With the last two sets, I've hit the pre-release and picked up 3-4 boosters, and traded/bought the remaining figures I wanted. Not a lot, especially compared to most.

So I say this is HOT!

The odds of a schmuck like me who doesn't buy a lot getting a Giant figures was slim, unless I wanted to trade/buy them. I haven't found pieces that I like out of the 2(3 if you count Bat Sentry) available. This changes that - not only can acquire pieces that I wouldn't go out of my way to get (because I would at least like to try out the Giant class character rules), but there is increased odds of getting figures I WOULD use. I don't particularly care for the goody-two-shoes Pym, but I would LOVE to see a Masters of Evil Giant figure of Yellowjacket or Goliath. The odds of seeing something like that come up in the 1-giant-per-set format would be MUCH less likely, so this format adds a lot of Giants in a short span of time, which is great for geeks like me ;)

More Ghost Rider is always a good thing. Just ask Toy Biz ;) So no problems with the dual-base figures. If it gets me a Masters of Evil Black Knight (the rookie, I'd imagine), I'll be pleased as punch.

Overall, I like this move because it changes the 'landscape' as it were. This adds a little more diversity and will have us moving those dividers around in our 'clix trays ;)

[SpakSpang]

I really like the idea of double base figures, and more giant figures. But to design an entire set around them alone isn't the best idea.

Instead include about 10, 5 of each, and have them all be harder to get, but not all unique level rarity.

Then have normal booster packs. As it is, the amount of Giant and Double Base characters means you will be flooding the market, and giving alot of people alot of repeats and doubles.

[Captain_Comet]

I wish there had been an option for "Cool!, but I please don't make it a regular thing."

[darthvader2005]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
I'm not going to vote, because, I'm on the fence about this set.



Me too!

[MSU]

I am also on the fence...I need to see the new rules for "tranporting" (if there are new rules) and I need to see some more figures. I am not the big Namor fan as everyone else is....so right now my vote is:

"Looks ok, but I gotta wait and see to decide"

[webhead817]

ha, I was just looking at how the poll is worded...apparently the poll this week is brought to us by Tiger Beat. ;)

[Gentlegamer]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre
I'm not going to vote, because, I'm on the fence about this set. Me too. I would vote for a "neutral at this time" option.

[BigSoph]

I am another neutral

I am not really a Marvel fan (I do not collect their sets) so it is mainly of interest in the new peanut stand and transport rules

I look forward, OTOH, to DC doing a similar set

[BudPalmer]

Me am bizzaro (and neutral)!

[skallanc]

The giant figs look cool, but I've never found myself playing any of them so I'm not too excited about the new set other than that the fantastic four is back, and I'm willing to bet there is going to be a new nightcrawler:grin: . I'll be happy if there is. I'm not a big namor fan so I'll probably only buy a few packs and buy/trade the rest. It is a downer that there are less figs for the same price, but it just makes me wonder..........What if they start putting 2 giant figs in one booster for the same price next?!?!? that would ####, so I hope not. DC will probably have to do the same sort of "giant thing" so I bet there will be a bat mobile. That would nice

[Goblin_Avenger]

I'm not liking the idea of $8 for 3 figures, especially now that they're REVs, implying that at least one version will be unplaybale. I might sit this one out entirely, even though I want the new FF really super bad, maybe I'll just get them as singles. 'Bout the only thing that'll change my mind on the set is if they change the price/figure back to $2, or if they raise the general quality of the figures over Legacy and Ultimates.

Looking foward to the FF, disliking the idea of pulling Rookie Giant-man. Why must you play with my heart Wizkids? You #$%!%@#%@#%$%$^& s!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Key phrase is "with what we know now"

Not hot. Not yet. History tells me I get more excited the more I know about a set, though. Mostly what I know right now is how expensive these things are.

And don't tell me the price of raw plastic is going up-- raw material costs are *not* driving price increases. There's so little plactic in a booster that I am sure it's negligble.

That said, getting a playable Fantastic Four is what will *really* excite me.

[antedoX]

either drop the price to correspond with the loss of a figure or simply extend the length of the box like they do with mageknight to accomodate for the larger figure.

no need to steal from the consumer. retirement already ensures our continued purchases.

[algrim]

Originally posted by antedoX
either drop the price to correspond with the loss of a figure or simply extend the length of the box like they do with mageknight to accomodate for the larger figure.

no need to steal from the consumer. retirement already ensures our continued purchases.

The most recent MageKnight expansion that had double-sized (cavalry) figures was Dark Riders... which was done in the exact same way (2 figs + a cavalry). So, they ARE doing it like MageKnight.

Keep in mind, that set did very well and had the same initial reaction (boo on 3 figs). I bought plenty of that set (I am a mild MK player) and knowing what they did for that - I am looking forward to this set.

Without trying to be soapboxish here, I think we are all a bit spoiled. There are other minature wargames where a single figure costs as much as a whole pack of HC - with no stats (must be bought seperately) and unpainted. The additional cost/time of having them painted (even to the mediocre WK standards) takes quite a bit out of playtime.

So, the balance is we only have a vague idea of what we're getting (randomized boosters), but we pay $2-$3 a fig (and all their stats are intact) as opposed to paying $8-$15 a fig and having to spend additional money and time to get them "play-ready".

Some will say Star Wars does what HC does and does it better. I disagree. Sure, you get a few more figs for a few more bucks, driving the price of the average figure down, but the size, quality (I know, weird right?), and the flexibility of the stats and game more than make up for it.

Plus - HC is SUPERHEROES. To get Superhero figs back in the day I had to pay $20 for a handful of ugly Marvel figs made by TSR. They had two different packs available and that was it. You had to paint them yourself and once you got the two boxes, there were no more - no updated versions, alternate costumes - nothing.

**wow, so much for not being soapboxish.

In essence, I can't make any of you change the way you feel. If it is an outrage that WK is trying something new (trying to please their fanbase) and it cost you an extra 60 cents or so - then there's nothing anyone can really do. They are trying to make the game more dynamic and give us more options - and it's still dirt cheap compared to the whole of miniature gaming.

This set is hot - innovation, character choices, good sculpts, hopefully good dials. I, for one, cannot wait until it gets released. that's it - I'm out.

[Ringer]

i think this set is great. the times i've used giant sized pieces have been fun. adding new things and diversifying the rules keeps things from getting boring. and a fantastic four that has the potential not to stink is a good thing.

[admironheart]

INCINERATING wasn't an option??!??

should end up in the top 3 sets ever...maybe just behind Clobberin' Time as the best yet!!

;)

wes

[Bob]

Love this! And I'll be 100% happy if they make an Atlas figure with a separate sculpt from Goliath!

[The Vision]

VERY HOT!!

[darthnader]

Although I wouldn't want to see this happen with every new set, I think it is an interesting and exciting change of pace. I have a shelf full of duplicate figures set up at my cubicle, and will be very excited to add some scale variation to my display with this set.

I really don't understand why the naysayers are naysaying. How is getting two untradeable dupes per booster better than getting one big untradeable dupe? With the giant/double-based figs you get:

a) scale variation
b) new/different abilities than normal-sized figures
c) the opportunity to portray characters that couldn't be made otherwise

The figures in each booster do NOT have the same value and every one of you knows this, so throw that dividing by 4 stuff out. You will still have the same chance to pull a Rare, Unique or Super-rare. Those are the only figures in the booster anyone cares about. The breakdown per booster is more like this:

Rare/Unique = $5
Uncommon = $2
Common = $.50 X2

With this set, you will get one common worth $1.00, instead of two worth $.50. Seems pretty even to me.

[Poolman]

I love Marvel, and own every marvel set, but if Wizkids doesn't bring the price down (due to the three figs per pack instead of four), I will be hard pressed to invest in this set. I don't care if it costs them more to make larger or double base figs, it will cost even more for people who collect the whole set. So as far as I'm concerned.......

COLD VERY COLD

[Heinrich]

Originally posted by Kaitouace
Extremely hot. Putting the whole "money" issue aside look what you have.

More giant figs
New "dual base" figs
The return of the Fantastic Four (hopefully with original TA)
The long-awaited appearance of Namor
A new speed sub-type with "Transporter" that should really open up the game
Some apparently REALLY awesome new LEs

What's not to love?

I totally agree. Yes, money is a problem, and I haven't even completed Ultimates REV's yet. But not coming out until July will help me in that area.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

hot

[stevie d]

First, i love marvel and not too keen on DC. so it so pains me to say, I would rather buy mor Critical Mass than buy this. $8 retail for 3 figs. what a crock. I hope to get a spidey with leap climb riding a cycle.

Wizkids, you should consider hiring someone to run your MArketing team. If said person exist, time to replace your marketing team. Super Rares and now this. It might be faster to kill off the game if you just close down Wizkids. Seriously, what are you thinking here?

[CaptainCanada]

GO FF GO!!


HOT-HOT-HOT!!

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

[Kaitouace]

Algrim is my hero.

Originally posted by darthnader
I have a shelf full of duplicate figures set up at my cubicle, and will be very excited to add some scale variation to my display with this set.

Hey! I should do that. Good idea.

[darthnader]

Originally posted by Kaitouace

Hey! I should do that. Good idea. [/B]

I have so many now, that I'm starting to alternate universes each time a new set is released. Now I have DC up. When FF comes out, DC will be put away and Marvel will come out again.

[gambit38]

As the set stands at the moment HOT.
The price is not a problem for me. It still represents great value for money, given the joy I get from playing/collecting.
Love the giant figures idea,the double base I can take or leave.
The only problem for me would be, loads more re-makes and ultimates. As far as I'm concerned they dilute the quality of any new set.
Any marvel fan will tell you just how many hundreds of characters are yet to be made.

[Ozymandas]

Surprised to see I'm in the minority here (currently 30%) against 3 figs per booster at the same price.

I've only ever used Giant-Man or Bat Sentry in fun, themed games. Not only are we getting hosed on the 3 figures per booster issue but I forsee most of these sitting on the shelf.

[robot_100]

Okay so far, but depends on the look of the giant figures, since we will be seeing them every pack.

If they have good sculpts - great, movable arms - awesome, but if they all look like giant man....not worth buying boosters.

[JayThor]

The thought of 3 figures for the same price as 4, plus that the main figures are remakes, like Ultimates, is sort of disappointing to me and the players around here. Namor and the possibility of Valkyrie (who I really want) doesn't outway that.


Man, I hate being lukewarm.....:disappoin

When is the next NEW DC set coming out?

[darthnader]

Originally posted by Ozymandas

I've only ever used Giant-Man or Bat Sentry in fun, themed games. Not only are we getting hosed on the 3 figures per booster issue but I forsee most of these sitting on the shelf.

But at least they stand out distinctively while sitting on said shelf. Almost half of every booster ends up sitting on the shelf. Think about how many Spoilers, Hyenas, Princess Pythons, Vanishers, and Harpoons you have lying around. Does it really bother you that you will only have half that many Yellowjackets and Ghost Riders?

[Psylockeslover]

I, like many others, am a fence sitter right now. It's simply too early to know for sure how this whole experiment will go.


As far as the 3 figs/booster thing goes, it depends on what category of collector you are. For case buyers, it's a good thing. Less carppy dupes taking up space. For the by the booster buyer, it sucks. Less overall figs for your money. That, as I see it, is the bottom line.

[morelwe]

I just want the same thing for DC. REV giant is cool, double bases and transporter must be a good idea.
3 figs per booster, ok...if they make that only 1 extension per universe .

[Marshal Law]

Originally posted by Psylockeslover
I, like many others, am a fence sitter right now. It's simply too early to know for sure how this whole experiment will go.

As far as the 3 figs/booster thing goes, it depends on what category of collector you are. For case buyers, it's a good thing. Less carppy dupes taking up space. For the by the booster buyer, it sucks. Less overall figs for your money. That, as I see it, is the bottom line.

For me the issue isn't the number of figures per set, or number of figures per booster (within reasonable cost limits). Its how recognizable the figures are comic wise, how *playable* the figures are, and how (not) difficult the set is to collect.

So far the only data we really have is a bit on the first issue (plus IMO), and a bit on the last (possible minus IMO, but not by much). Since playability is my biggest concern, there's no information to make a judgement on the set. They can pack the set full of cool double size figures, and if its as "fun" to play as Indy the set will still blow. If they put just 3 figures per booster, but the set is stuffed full of playable figures that puts CJ to shame, then I'll gladly shrug off having to buy a few more boosters to complete a set.

[Joe Kerr]

WOW! I can't believe 100 workers from Wizkids came to this site to vote in this poll.

[Alex Napalm]

I'm going to vote not hot.

I like that they're throwing more Giant figures in the mix and expanding on that idea. However, I just can't get behind the idea of only getting 3 figures per booster. That's not cool in my opinion.

[ohoni]

I too was surprised at the number of "hots" in this thread. Odd.

[Psylockeslover]

Originally posted by ohoni
I too was surprised at the number of "hots" in this thread. Odd.


It's called "silent majority". Those who are happy (or at least content) with it, don't have much to say about it.

[Joe Kerr]

It's called hush money.

[Vigilante]

I vote HOT! I'm happy when I get something I've been looking forward to.

A better Fantastic Four!
Prince Namor the Sub-Mariner!
616 Giant-Man (Yellowjacket)
Possibly a mounted Valkyrie!
More giant sized figures!

and more to come!!!

I'm really looking forward to this next set:grin:

[Roland7]

I'm going to wait on this until I see more of a fig list.

[Lex Luthor]

Muy CALIENTE!!

[Gargantua]

I'm thrilled to get new FF figures. Hopefully they'll do Reed right this time. New giant figures and double-base figures? Well, okay, I guess, but I'd rather that they be the exception rather than the rule. I'm a pretty casual collector. I don't buy by the case, so only getting three figures per booster is more of a disappointment to me than the automatic inclusion of a big figure is a positive.

[Kite-Man]

Ummm. I need to see who's in the whole set before I decide.

I only play characters I like, so my decission will hinge on whether or not Unus is in this set....

Or maybe another Skrull?

[charlesx]

I have two basic problems with Fantastic Forces: 1) three figures for $8 is not cost-effective for me and 2) Giant figs are great but I already have enough storage issues with the regular-sized clix. I still love the game, but dunno at this point whether I'll continue buying clix after Legacy (which totally rocks!) Those are my two centavos, in any case.

[Kite-Man]

Uhhh I mean 'decision'.

I only bought three figures from Legacy--Kid Flash, Demon and Hourman.

Who else did I need from that set?




Man. I hope there's some Serpent Society in this set...

[Hellboy_Hodge]

Undecided need to see more.:ermm:

[DishWaterSoap]

I think with Fantastic Four, it's going to be tight. However in giant fig in every booster is too much. I rather they have it maybe one giant fig in every 3 or 4 booster instead, that way it won't cut back that much on my fig count. This is a good chance to start playing with giant fig, but I don't like the idea of it cutting into my fig count. It's still a nice set overall.

[Kazzigum]

This set will be hot. Do not despair, trust in Brother Magneto. And no, I don't work for WizKids ... though I want too. What I think some people are missing here is the trends in Heroclix of late. Seems to me that WizKids has been getting much better at creating relatively accurate (and oft times playable) character dials. What's more, they added a bunch of stuff that adds to the comic-bookyness of the game. Feats, battlefield conditions, bystanders...all are adding comic book coolness to the game. Sure, some dislike these new elements, but I'm of the opinion that most who don't are power gamers. Even they not really fear, I'm sure there will be plenty of new ways to abuse the game.

Anyway, Brother Magneto dropped a few sly remarks about how cool this set is going to be. The way I see it, whenever WizKids introduces a new element to the game, it's usually a bit clunky for a couple sets before it gets all sorted out. Just look how much cooler the feats in Legacy were compared to MM. So, I'm expecting the feats in this set will be killer (this is where I'm expecting to see the Fantasticar), we'll get cool BFCs/Fantastic Four related Bystanders, the giants will be far better and we'll see some really cool characters (at least for us FF/Avengers fans). Having said that, the new movement ability and the 'cavaly' will probably be a bit clunky. Still, I say cool.

Couple random thoughts:

I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be pretty big names snuck in here ... Maybe Green Goblin, the return of Ultron and Kang, etc. I also think they'll do a crazy-expensive Miricle Man.

The figures look fantastic (no pun intended), at least what they are showing us. Ghost Rider looks just awesome (and for those asking why another Ghost Rider so soon, well, this ain't the same guy and some of us know just by looking).

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a DC guy. But I think Legacy is very well done and happy for you guys who are. Plus, I really thought the dials.feats were well done. I find this encouraging.

I'm pretty certain this is not the trend of Heroclix sets. Just a way to get a bunch of giants out there at once. Sure, they'll do it for DC too ... you DC fans would cry foul if they didn't (mark my words), but it'll be back to normal after that.

And guys, what's so difficult to understand about the 3-figures? You're paying the same for two figures, but the giants/whatever cost twice the price as two normal figures (at least from the manufacturer -- i.e. WizKids). Since the big guys take up more room, they dropped one figure from the box. I really don't get why that's so hard to grasp. You might not like that the giants cost twice what a normal figure costs, but that's not the same thing. From most of what the complainers are saying (at least as I hear it), you guys just think that the giants should cost the same to you as a normal figure. That's just not realistic.

Anyway... Don't listen to the naysayers WizKids. Sounds cool and I can't wait to hear/see more. Hot! Hot! Hot! [insert Mask voice here]

[Brazil]

Hot.. or at least has really good potential.

Instead of a bunch of commons we'll have a bunch of potentially cool big figures.

There's the same number of figures in the set, with less LE's and that means less trouble collecting all the LE's. That'll save money.

True you're only getting 3 figures per booster, but I'd rather get 3 figures, with one being a cool giant figure, than get 4 figures and have two of them be duplicate common figures.

I'm not terribly excited about the number of new Big names. Namor is of course a Biggie, I hope we get a Defenders and Invaders version. I was stoked to see Yellowjacket, but I'm an old timer, from the days when Pym dawned the Giant-man or Goliath suit if he was gonna get big, and the Yellowjacket suit when he was gonna get small. Yellowjacket was my favorite of his outfits, I'm still a little torn on the giant size thing though.

I'm leary there won't be too many big names....but I'll wait and see and hopefully will be pleasantly surprised.

[ohoni]

Seems to me that WizKids has been getting much better at creating relatively accurate (and oft times playable) character dials.

Not if Legacy is any indication. Some of them are pretty solid, but a good half of them miss the mark completely.

[Painreliever]

It seems to me Wizkids has been eating too much McDonalds. At first you could order a value meal and it was just that...a value. Then they gave you the option to supersize for extra...at first it was like double the fries and drink...worth it. Then they added the enormous size with the big gulp and fries a tad bit bigger than supersize for double the cost of super size. Soon they changed that to make supersized mean the extra-extra large size, they still gave you the big drink but the fries went back down to regular supersize size. Then they threw in large size which is now the cost of the orginal supersize and gets you the same drink as the orginal supersize but the fries are really somewhere between the original supersize and original large. All the while the value meal prices continued to rise, and while originally I could get a meal for around 3 dollars, 4 post supersize, now its more like starting at 4-4.50 and going towards 5.50-6 for a meal...

Ironically all of those die hard french fry loving couch potatoes got shafted by people complaining the oil they used for the fries was too unhealthy and the result was a change in the taste of the fries...which really was the whole reason for supersizing to begin with...refills were free...fries were golden. And then recently with the advent of a certain movie chronicaling a life dedicated to McDonald's living brought so much bad publicity in conjunction with lawsuits that McDonalds chose to get rid of SuperSize publically. (You can still get Large though).

So...whats the point? I just see Wizkids doing what other companies are doing. Slowly moving their customer base through small painful progressions until the customer has forgotten the way things used to be and the bottom line is fatter. How much farther in the future is it before we have a booster with 2 cards and 2 figures (and maybe an accessory)that costs 10 bucks? Don't get me wrong, I like heroclix as I like McDonald's fries.

I wasn't all that keen on the card aspect at first but it has grown on me, not pogs mind you, but the feats and BF conditions. Giant figs are interesting but up to now I still don't have one. Super Rares are in my opinion a mistake at least in one sense. I used to play sealed tournaments a lot because I liked how they equalized the field. If I didn't have the figures to build a team to counter a cheese team I could play in this and usually stand a fighting chance with what I pulled. With Marquees being the ultimate Sealed you got the best LEs for them. You used to get the better LEs for sealed events too. Now you have super rares in the packs, identical to the LEs so that there is nothing special about winning anymore, unless you are a completionist. And while adding in super rares means that tournament play is less cutthroat because you can still get the LEs without being so, the LEs all tend to ####. When I won the MM marquee and saw the crappy wolverine I won, it took away from the experience. I personally think if you are going to put super rares in the game, it shouldn't be to fatten the bottom line by taking advantage of completionists, it should be to get some figures into players hands who don't want to play cutthroat tournament play to get an exclusive piece. Then I think you need to make LEs worth playing for. From what I have seen of the last few sets of LEs, I could care less about them because they are filler. If that is being addressed in the next set GREAT, but I stilll think that sealed and marquees should have unique LEs not available as super rares. Sealed tournies equalize the field and therefore the LEs for them shouldn't be available in boosters. With a giant figure taking up as much room as 2 regular figs in this next set while keeping the nearly the same number of figs I have to wonder how much of the set I will actually be able to get. My playing time has steadily decreased after the price increase and set retirement. With there being no real incentive to play sealed which is where the majority of my buying boosters comes from lately, I don't see myself getting enough figs to play competively in open tournies and in the end I think I will just stop going. This is not what I want to do, just seems to be the direction things are headed.

Part of me thinks that the reason pieces are so expensive in Legacy is as to ween us into getting used to having fewer pieces on our teams for this set. I mean 3 pieces and a pog were pretty standard for the Legacy prerelease, 4 and a pog and you were lucky, 5 pieces was rare. In this next set you are talking about having only 9 true pieces to pick from in a 300 point sealed tourney with pog and feat filler. With feats costing part of your force and figs costing more, its like Wizkids is saying that a high point figure has more value and therefore is worth more money, while the cardboard pogs, feats and BF conditions are filler and therefore cardboard. Its like they are subtlely changing the way we play the game in order to make more money. If people get used to only having 3 figures a feat and a pog for a team then we can package fewer pieces per box and the tournaments will feel the same as in Legacy. The problem really is that the fundamental game dynamic of action alottment doesn't change. So you have 3 actions per round and only 3 pieces and a pog. The pog is really only there to disguise the fact you have only 3 figures and that you are going to have to push each figure each round to play the game. How will Wizkids get around this so that people do not rise up and start making movies about Heroclix and creating bad publicity? I predict that you will see feat cards that mimic Willpower. Say a feat called "Stamina" that for 20-25 points allows you to keep your normal dial and have virtual willpower. Or how about a new super power on defense that encorporates willpower and damage reduction...Say something along the lines of of Invulnerabilty that while you have only one action token reduces damage by 2 but when you have 2 tokens only reduces damage by one. OR what about a feat card that allows you to buy a power that takes an action token each round. They have already begun moving towards this with In Contact with Oracle...except that it can only be used when giving your figure an action token. The next step is to make a card that does the same thing but the token is applied to the card and not the figure. All of these things would make it so that in a 300 point game you get less for your money but still have the same or slightly less things you can do. The action allottment to character deficit is disguised by cheaper cardboard ways to spend your actions.

What this really means is that you are going to see a less dynamic game from the outsiders perspective which is a real draw for heroclix. Seing lots of superheroes fighting on the same board is cool. Seeing 4 or 5...not so much. So I predict the average points per game is going to go up so that people can actually play with multiple figures in order to maintain playing a dynamic game that we have come to expect. Once that happens I suspect Wizkids will actually make the LEs for sealed and Marquees unavailable in Super Rare form and shortly thereafter you will find the standard format for sealed tournaments moving to 4 boosters. All this to increase the bottom line and not for the sake of keeping the game interesting or fun. Thats my theory...anyone for some McDonalds?

[Painreliever]

In addition I would like to say that, the game may continue to be fun to play, even with new elements being added to it, but in the end, it is shifting away from a game that revolves around minatures and towards a product that can be pushed at equivalent prices for essentially less product. I don't display pogs on my desk and I am not going to from In Contact With Oracle or any other power no matter how cool it is. The minis are a large part of the draw to the game and I don't think its a good idea to get less of what makes the game cool for more.

[Painreliever]

Originally posted by Painreliever
I don't display pogs on my desk and I am not going to from In Contact With Oracle or any other power no matter how cool it is.

"from" should say FRAME

[Breyker]

I need to know more about the set, so far I am not pleased but it wouldn't take much to send me the other way.

Throw me in the neutral column

[LabRat]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre


You are still getting less figures, no matter how much plastic is in the booster.

If we got more figures regardless of how much plastic is in the booster, would that be better? If it will, then Wizkids better take me up on this little idea that I have, which is to produce smaller figs and bases to fit more figures in a booster :p :confused: :p :confused: :p

[LabRat]

I'd say HOT, as long as this is just a one-time deal... I'm really not seeing the 3 fig per booster as a big issue and I'm excited about the previewed figs, the lineup shows promise for the actual list... With the previous way of giant fig distribution, actual use of them was minimal but with this set introducing a lot of giants at the same time then it's sure to catch on... New FF, more Avengers, and Pym finally with an actual fig makes me look forward to this set...

[kuervo]

I'm neutral until I find more info.

[DKnight]

Originally posted by darthnader
Although I wouldn't want to see this happen with every new set, I think it is an interesting and exciting change of pace. I have a shelf full of duplicate figures set up at my cubicle, and will be very excited to add some scale variation to my display with this set.

I really don't understand why the naysayers are naysaying. How is getting two untradeable dupes per booster better than getting one big untradeable dupe? With the giant/double-based figs you get:

a) scale variation
b) new/different abilities than normal-sized figures
c) the opportunity to portray characters that couldn't be made otherwise

The figures in each booster do NOT have the same value and every one of you knows this, so throw that dividing by 4 stuff out. You will still have the same chance to pull a Rare, Unique or Super-rare. Those are the only figures in the booster anyone cares about. The breakdown per booster is more like this:

Rare/Unique = $5
Uncommon = $2
Common = $.50 X2

With this set, you will get one common worth $1.00, instead of two worth $.50. Seems pretty even to me.

Exactly. I voted hot because thsi will allow me to collect the gigant minis quickly and not have to wait for years. I expect they release Goliath, Awesome Android and Dragon Man (taking in consideration that this is a Fantastic Four themed set). To lose two commons for a gigant mins sounds quite fair here. In another case i would haven't liked it

[J Rancher Hulk]

Originally posted by stevie d
First, i love marvel and not too keen on DC. so it so pains me to say, I would rather buy mor Critical Mass than buy this. $8 retail for 3 figs. what a crock. I hope to get a spidey with leap climb riding a cycle.

Wizkids, you should consider hiring someone to run your MArketing team. If said person exist, time to replace your marketing team. Super Rares and now this. It might be faster to kill off the game if you just close down Wizkids. Seriously, what are you thinking here?

I don't understand this. You don't like DC, but it pains you to by more Marvel?

[hulkamania85]

I like the sound of this new set. Maybe its because I've seen how expensive other CMGs are, so the $8 doesn't bug me as much. The Star Wars game prices are ridiculous.

I like the idea of a giant fig in every pack. Making more giant figs has a lot of potential.

[JayThor]

But with Star Wars you get more figures, and a rare in every booster. 7 as opposed to 4, now 3. Still doesn't jibe.

Believe me, as a retailer of these great products, I see how more will have to be sold to the completists out there to get the whole set. I just hope it doesn't frustrate the rest to quit.

[Badger Warrior]

Originally posted by kuervo
I'm neutral until I find more info.

Me too, it's far too early to decide wether or not this will be the next big thing of the game.

[Painreliever]

The difference between Heroclix and the Star Wars game is that in the Star Wars game at least you are guaranteed a Rare/Super Rare level figure in each box, 2 uncommons, and 4 commons in each box. So you never pull an entire booster of rookies and your chances of getting a super rare instead of a rare is about 1/2. In most cases the Star Wars figs you get as commons and uncommons are figures that you want duplicates of to create an army anyway(Stormtroopers and generic Jedi)...not like 10 R Blobs or something rediculous to play. 13 dollars is steep for only 7 figs if you ask me...but when you break it down thats less than 2 bucks a piece which is cheaper than what you are paying for heroclix now. Not to mention that 13 is suggested retail, while you can actually find boosters for only 8 bucks a pop...meaning the figs are closer to a buck a piece. Also only one of those figs per booster cannot be used in multiples, whereas most heroclix tournies I enter have house rules against multiples of named figs. I would play the Star Wars game more, but sanctioned tournaments haven't started and finding people to play for fun is tough.

[First Lensman]

Wake up here!

We are being resold a boatload of characters that were already published!

We had each of the the Fantastic Four in Clobbering Time

We had Dr. Doom in Clobbering Time

We has Scarlet Witch in Infinity Challenge

We had Ghost Rider in Ultimates.

We had Yellowjacket in Clobbering Time

Are we going to get more unneeded Wolverines, Spider-mans, Elektras, Daredevils, Hulks, et. al. in this set also???

To me, WHO CARES if Hulk, Yellowjacket, Ghost Rider or others are larger or double-based. We got plenty of Hulks already and I don't see the need for another Ghost Rider figure. Yellow Jacket is a so what figure. I thought it was much better trying to get the one giant figure in each of the last two sets. I would have like a single Giant figure, probably Nimrod, in the next set.

These figures are going to throw off the scaling on our maps. At least Giant Man and Steel both could grow to be 60 feet tall! These larger figures made some sense.

Man, I can just hear the planning meeting over at Wiz Kids in my head, "Hey, let's retire a bunch of figures and then re-sell them in a new set -- We'll make a boat load of money!!! We'll just make sure we give them Namor this time!"

I am not a happy camper.

[Hellboy]

woo!

hot like molten Boron! I've been waiting, begging petioning and waiting some more for double dial figures.

now here they are! plus, I love the multiple scales in heroclix, and there'll be like a dozen giant figures (or something...)

very cool.


plus: Namor.

cool looking Scarlet witch too.

also... mixing and matching FF members from both universes looks fun.

[Hellboy]

as far as the question of "reselling" figures...

the ghost rider is the Jhonny Blaze version...

the FF and Doom figures are Ultimate versions....

This Yellowjacket is Hank Pym....

...and besides.. its nice to have new up to date versions of characters from early series like Scarlet Witch.