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The First Half of Round 2 is OVER. 8 truly powerful combatants have been split into 4 winners and 4 losers, voted on by YOU ALL. Which of these next 8 will rise and which shall FALL? As always, that decision is Up To You.
Now without further adieu, allow me to present your next battle in a BRAND NEW (Actually unless youre from Mars, these are pretty old hat by now) type of Tournament Of Champions:
BIG O (BIG O)
VS.
OBERON (GARGOYLES)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them AND/OR routinely used in their shows, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Jungle Ruins - Lush, verdant trees rise over the jungle floor below. Thick vines crisscross the canopy. A large, ruined city complex sits in the center. It's fantastic masonry eroded by rain and time. In the middle it is bisected by a large, placid river flowing in at one end of the arena, and leaving through the other. (Inspired by: Tarzan, Jungle Book, etc)
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
ALSO, please do your best to respect everyones votes, reasonings and opinions here. If you believe your character should win, but doesnt in the end, dont hold grudges against the character that beat yours, or call the votes that allowed this to happen "fanboy" arguments or plain and simply wrong. We all have our own way of thinking and voting here, with each one of our thoughts and ideas as valid as your own. Lets do what we can, even in the heat of an argument, to respect that. Thanks.
TV CARTOON TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Part 4
ROUND 1
He-Man vs. Oberon: Oberon (12 - 7)
Tiamat vs. Superion: Tiamat (15 - 4)
Big O vs. The Gundam: Big O (7 - 0)
Omega Supreme vs. Hordak: Omega Supreme (7 - 0)
Godzilla vs. Imhotep: Godzilla (9 - 2)
Genie vs. Ryoko: Genie (11 - 10)
Shendu vs. Legato Bluesummers: Shendu (11 - 4)
King Hiss vs. Voltron (Vehicle Form): Voltron (Vehicle Form) (8 - 2)
Venger vs. Devastator: Venger (7 - 2)
Space Ghost vs. BlackWarGreymon: Space Ghost (10 - 5)
Metlar vs. Mewtwo: Mewtwo (10 - 1)
Sailor Saturn vs. Gundam Deathscyth v.2: Gundam Deathscyth v.2 (7 - 3)
Dracula vs. Wiseman: Wiseman (8 - 7)
Lord Hazanko vs. Mozenrath: Lord Hazanko (5 - 4)
Talpa vs. Experiment 627: Talpa (5 - 2)
Pyron vs. Voltron (Lion Form): Pyron (7 - 6)
ROUND 2
Tiamat vs. Godzilla: Tiamat (10 - 3)
Shendu vs. Lord Hazanko: Lord Hazanko (9 - 8)
Genie vs. Pyron: Pryon (10 - 8)
Wiseman vs. Voltron (Vehicle Form): Wiseman (8 - 0)
Big O vs. Oberon: ??????
13 Down, 3 To Go
Oberon (Gargoyles) - Oberon has been around a long, long time. His origins are lost to us, but he is the unquestioned Lord of Avalon and Ruler of the Third Race, the Fae. Oberon is the most powerful of all of the Third Race. At full strength, he can, with a thought or gesture, do practically anything, including putting an entire city to sleep, growing as tall as a skyscraper, summoning lightning storms, and projecting magical blasts. He is also very arrogant and regal, doing as he sees fit with anything. Oberon's magical energy does have limits, although reaching those limits takes considerable time. He does have the typical fay weakness to iron, which seems to drain his energy quicker.
Big O (Big O) - The Big O is the most heavily used Megadeus in the entire series. It is piloted by Roger Smith and features a number of unique abilities that make it both the saviour and bane of Paradigm City. It's primary weapons are simply its arms which are enhanced by two large pistons running through the forearms. While in combat, Roger can use these arms to grasp an opponent and to literally crush them with the immense force from the pistons. Typically this attack leaves a large hole in the enemy unit and also manages to take out a couple buildings or streets at the same time. Because Roger uses the Big O in a covert manner, he keeps the Megadeus stored inside of a large building.
To some, Big O is considered a hero of the city. To others, it is simply a menace that repeatedly shows its face at the worst times possible. None the less, Big O has ultimately never lost a battle proving it is one of the most powerful Megadeus ever built. Big O also shows some form of self-awareness and is also capable of responding to Roger's calls for help via Roger's special watch.
To add to what else it can do:
Those pistons can be used to create a shockwave range attack.
It has about 30, 2 mile long grappling chains around its torso that can be used a grappling hooks or to take out enemies.
It has two lazer type weapons, one housed in its eyes and a more powerful version that takes a couple of seconds of standing still to charge up in its forehead.
Two giant shields on his arms.
Missiles stored in his chest (think heavy arms from gundam wing).
protectorate
03/25/2005, 15:54
Well, Oberon could grow as tall as Big O and take the machine on old school, but is there any reason he doesn't simply put Mr. Smith to sleep at the start of the match?
Rokk_Krinn
03/25/2005, 15:54
This may sound dumb, but I think I'm going to give this to the Big O based on the fact that he strikes me as someone composed of Oberon's weakness. While I realize he's not "cold iron" or such, it was noted last round that "large metal deposits containing iron" could maybe foul with Oberon and there's probably a chance Big O could use his composition to take advantage of this.
Vote: Big O
Unless Big O is 50% iron, I'm going to have to go with Oberon. Big O is probably not capable of defending againsyt magic, especially magic as powerful as it's opponent's. Plus, according the profile, Oberon could grow bigger and crush it.
I vote for Oberon
No way is Big-O made of iron, that would make his armor weaker than warships we can build now. Oberon just teleports into the cockpit or puts Roger to sleep or something, he doesn't have to fight the mech at all.
Would someone as powerful and arrogant as Oberon take the win here by simply bypassing the SHW opponent to pick off the less than LW pilot inside?
I highly dought that there is enough iron (if any) in Big O take Oberon down. Oberon has versitility, and that enough. My vote...
OBERON
On a side note...Genie Lost! Thst's not right. If he was made by anyone but disney...
Rokk_Krinn
03/25/2005, 16:22
Not saying Big O is made entirely of iron - just that the alloys in him likely have iron (e.g.: steel). Oberon's weakness doesn't specify "pure cold iron" or the like...
Originally posted by DTM
Would someone as powerful and arrogant as Oberon take the win here by simply bypassing the SHW opponent to pick off the less than LW pilot inside?
I don't know why not. Oberon does act superior, but he also is superior being the father of the most powerful race on Earth. His attitude doesn't really hamper him very much, he has never lost because of it (and really his temper is more threateing a personality trait). In fact Oberon typicaly trys to end fights very quickly (when going to retreive Xanatos's baby his first act was to put the city to sleep, when he wanted the gargotles out of Avalon his first action was to have the ground swallow them), it isn't like he strings fights out just to prove thathe can.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Not saying Big O is made entirely of iron - just that the alloys in him likely have iron (e.g.: steel). Oberon's weakness doesn't specify "pure cold iron" or the like...
That's incorrect. Oberon's weakness does have to be pure iron, refer to his last match for an in depth discussion on the topic (it was match 1).
Rokk_Krinn
03/25/2005, 16:33
So basically Oberon has no weaknesses relevant to the ToC (because no one packs cold iron these days)?
Not exactly a few guys can just make iron from stuff, and it could reasonably be found in some terrains. Beyond that yes, Oberon has a weakness that few can exploit.
Genie could have exploited it....oh well. Oberon for the win. I see him just making Big O fall asleep or crushing him. Not enough iron for Big O to make him that weak to take him out more than 50% of the time. Oberon to round 3.
Well, if Big O didnt have a pilot, couldnt Big Os massive armament and durability here defeat Oberon? I mean, were not honestly saying THE ONLY way to defeat Oberon here is with Iron and LOADS of it, are we? If Oberon wins this so easily itll be the same as how Pyron and Wiseman defeated their Voltrons, by attacking the LW pilots inside, not by KOing or overwhelming the actual SHW combatant.
I'm sure Oberon can be overpowered. When most of the cast of the show was trying to beat him they were both trying to iron him down as well as drain out his magical strength, it was plainly stated that he can be depleated, he isn't all powerful. But he is powerful enough to teleport inside the Big-O and put Roger Smith in a hurt locker, whether he could defeat the Big-O itself in pitched battle I couldn't say for sure, but he doesn't need to.
Agreed, just clarifying that for myself. Shame, we have yet another such match to come that isnt going to be much better, as its in the same vein as this and the other teleporting uber wizards vs. piloted mega robots weve had so far.
Maximcards
03/25/2005, 17:19
oberon wins he's to powerful for who he's up against
DTM, you have to be kidding. Is it Venger Vs. Omega Supreme or Deathscyth? This is getting repetitive.
Hey, I dont make the matches, they are drawn randomly......though Ill give you a hint who Venger is fighting.....Omega Supreme has no LW pilot to attack. :)
Unless Vengar has drawn Talpa both robots are probably wasted, as both Talpa and Vengar can do the anti-robot thing.
Oberon will win this. Magic > Science at least in this particular situation.
And by the way, Oberon is a Disney character. However, this does not prevent him from winning his matches. I wonder why… ;)
Oops, my mistake for mentioning Omega Supreme. I personally hope Talpa gets Omega Supreme, so atleast Space Ghost has a chance of surviving...oh, wait that means he'd have to fight Mewtwo! Tadd is screwed!
Originally posted by Rando
Unless Vengar has drawn Talpa both robots are probably wasted, as both Talpa and Vengar can do the anti-robot thing.
Actually, unlike the piloted robotic SHWs here, Omega Surpeme is sentient on his own, and there is no LW pilot for any such character to bypass and attack. Omegas vast physical might and powers should do him well here in this TOC.
Eh. Omega Supreme still has internal systems a teleporter can get in him and attack those as easily as a pilot.
I wouldnt say so (heck if thats the case whyd we have any robotic guys here at all). In our previous matches the teleporters engaged the LW pilots (which the SHW robot needed to stay active), and there was room to manuver inside. With Omega Supreme, who has no pilot to attack, he is all solid, gears and machinizations. If the SHW wizard turns solid to attack Omega Supremes insides I would vote he would be crushed instantly by the multitudes of highly durable and high tech devices inside.
Bypassing the SHW to attack the pilots is one thing, doing so to attacks his insides seems like something else entirely to me.
well guess we'll just have to wait and see won't we.
Originally posted by DTM
Would someone as powerful and arrogant as Oberon take the win here by simply bypassing the SHW opponent to pick off the less than LW pilot inside?
He might. "Your armor is powerful, Roger Smith, but you are not." *poink*
Although if Big O has a noticable amount of iron, that might not be possible (Note- Iron is contained in a lot of alloys. There are plenty of really strong things, like pretty much every vehicle armor in military use, that contain iron, although not nessesarily high percentages of it).
I think he might instead exploit Big O's groundbound factor, and open a rift in the earth of lava to trap it/melt it. Or similar thing. Even -if- there's an Iron Factor, Oberon has a ton of options to use via controlling the environment, and the only ranged attacks of Big O aren't iron (save maybe the chains, which would be nigh impossible to hit a normal sized Oby with).
Even without the pilots, I still think Oberon can take down the giant robot. Yes, it becomes more difficult, but Oberon has a lot of offensive magical capabilities to take out the giant robot.
Well, same as my previously similiar votes, if Oberon targets the pilot inside Big O (something I DO NOT think would work on a pilotless SHW robot), Oberon will win easily here.
My Vote - Oberon
Big O - 1 vote
Oberon - 8 votes
Rokk_Krinn
03/26/2005, 20:42
Originally posted by DTM
Oberon will win easily here.
Well, of course he's going to win easily. Read up above - most of the other cast members of his show (bunch of HW's in that, I imagine) were beating on Oberon _with his weakness_ and he still wasn't going down. Go ahead and ask again why people had problems with Oberon in this category. :)
I admit, I've been meaning to change my vote to him but I think I'll stay the lone holdout *jk*. :)
Actually the Gargoyles were all low to high end MWs, not HWs. :)
DarkBlueAnt
03/27/2005, 10:36
I know this vote is over and all. I just wanted to comment that the main strategy here (putting Roger to sleep) doesn't mean an automatic win. Big O can operate without Roger... it just doesn't like to. One of the many unsolved mysteries of Big O.
REALLY??? I didnt know that. So Big O can work independently even when its pilot is KOed?? Very Interesting.
And for the Record this match is NOT OVER, and still up and running. Anyone wishing to change their votes knowing Big O can work independantly and Oberon cannot do the quick LW pilot KO to win, please do so, because while this match is still open, it might not be open for long.
Yeah it's a pretty mysterious quality of the Big-O, it doesn't seem to function as well, and it doesn't always happen but it can. Doesn't change anything though, once Roger is out of the way Oberon is inside the Big-O, from there he can destroy it or shut it down with impunity.
Rokk_Krinn
03/27/2005, 15:21
Originally posted by DTM
REALLY??? I didnt know that. So Big O can work independently even when its pilot is KOed?? Very Interesting.
It was talked about in the first round. :) I didn't think to bring it up because I would've sworn some of the people voting against Big O here were ones that discussed the "doesn't need a pilot" point in the first round (i.e. - I figure they know Big O better than me as I've seen all of one show with him). :)
Getting senile in your old age, goober. :) *jk*
Btw - Happy Easter!
Same to you buddy.
No, I dont remember Big O being stated as activate without a pilot, not at all. Well, we all have another day to rethink, and possibly revote, with this new information if anyone wishes to.
Even if Big O does go on autopilot, I still think Oberon could take it on.
Off-topic, but for interests sake, I started voting in the TOC late. Can someone tell me what environments were added to the original 9 or so from the first post? Thanks.
Im not sure what exactly you mean, though I can give you the 8 terrains were using for this TOC here:
1. Primevil Wastes - Large, flat, rocky ground bisected by imposing cliffs. A central volcano can be seen from even the farthest parts of the arena. Channels of lava crisscross the open ground, ensuring that an uncertain step could lead to a very fiery death. (Inspired by: He-Man, Thundarr, etc)
2. Junk Planet - What a pile of junk. The surface of this planet is covered with debris and old junk. Mountains of it rise up from the hard baked dirt floor, weaving canyons through the never-ending sea of debris. Not even the equipment meant to process and compact all this litter works any more. (Inspired by: Mega XLR, Junkion, and Junk Yards everywhere)
3. Nameless Moon - Despite all known laws of physics, you can breathe here without your head exploding. Still, it doesn’t do much for the flat grey tones of the surroundings. A thick layer of dust coats this heavily cratered surface. Definitely not the place to build a summer home. (Inspired by: Space Ghost, Superfriends, etc)
4. Jungle Ruins - Lush, verdant trees rise over the jungle floor below. Thick vines crisscross the canopy. A large, ruined city complex sits in the center. It's fantastic masonry eroded by rain and time. In the middle it is bisected by a large, placid river flowing in at one end of the arena, and leaving through the other. (Inspired by: Tarzan, Jungle Book, etc)
5. New Millenium City - A large, modern city, full of gleaming steel, and polished marble skyscrapers. High speed train tracks, suspended in the sky, whisk it's industrious population from building to building. Perfectly manicured parks are nested at the feet of gleaming edifices to modern design.
(Inspired by: Superman TAS, Transformers (ie, Cybertron) and similar shows)
6. Scottish Moors - Thick fog shrouds this eerie place, making vision difficult at any great distance. Twisted and misshapen trees surround the many bogs. A large cemetery leads towards a dark, and decrepit manor house. When the wind is right you could almost swear you are not alone.
(Inspired by: Scooby Doo, Gargoyles and haunted house locales everywhere)
7. Another Planet - The dull, grey rock plains are broken up by strangely shaped trees of wild colouring. Wondrous alien plants will try to ensnare any one that gets too close. Small, clustered groups of crumbling ruins are the only indication that intelligent life ever lived here.
(Inspired by: Space Ghost, Herculoids, Star Trek (the cartoon))
8. Army Training Base - Situated in the deserts of the South-West, this facility contains all manner of terrain to shape the fighting forces of tomorrow, or would be dictators. Rough barracks and communication facilities sit inside the main compound, which is surrounded by all sorts of climbing obstacles, barbed wire, and mud pits. Several clumps of rude concrete buildings serve to train for more urban environments.
(Inspired by: GI Joe and others)
These were all made up by Maniac-nmt, who has been responsible for every terrain listing weve had on one of our TOCs here.
Im going to need his services one final time coming up, hope youre up for it M. :)
Okay, thanks. I knew two of those were different (the original list featured 'Secret Lair' and 'Underwater Facility').
And you got another TOC after this? Awesome. I can't wait to see what it is. Or has it been revealed already?
Well, following the same pattern as the Comics and Movies TOCs, the TV Cartoon TOC will end in a Mixed Team TOC. This consists of mixing all of the 4 Divisions (LW, MW, HW and SHW) into random teams of 4 (each team with 1 member from each weight class). Then its simply handled as normal, with these random teams battling one another until there stands only one in the end.
The next one after that, and my final TOC as a whole, will bring me back to where I started over 1 year ago (be close to 1 1/2 years of continuous TOCs when its all done) and consist of another Comics SHW TOC, using all new characters from the original listing. I have a list of 50 characters already made, and Ill post it here and we can all choose which 32 are powerful and worthy enough to be in that TOC.
Say it ain't so DTM, say it ain't so! The next one will be the last! What ever shall I do at work?:grin:
Rokk_Krinn
03/27/2005, 16:39
You really think we can't get DTM to do another tourney? :) C'mon now, MSU...that's like a smoker saying he's going to go cold turkey.
Originally posted by MSU
Say it ain't so DTM, say it ain't so! The next one will be the last! What ever shall I do at work?:grin:
Vote in my ToCs...:rolleyes:
DarkBlueAnt
03/27/2005, 16:54
Originally posted by Rando
Yeah it's a pretty mysterious quality of the Big-O, it doesn't seem to function as well, and it doesn't always happen but it can. Doesn't change anything though, once Roger is out of the way Oberon is inside the Big-O, from there he can destroy it or shut it down with impunity.
Big O can probably kill anyone it doesn't want piloting it. Big Duo pretty much ate Alan with wires when he tried to modify it for himself, and then Schwarzwald's ghost came and laughed at him. *sigh* I wish there were new episodes. They're so fun.
An internal attack is a no go here, me thinks.
Oberon onced turned his body into a solid diamond, I don't think wires are going to present much of a threat.
DarkBlueAnt
03/27/2005, 20:18
Well, Alan has cyborg drill hands and super agility, but he was suprised and killed before he could even think to use them. This wasn't just a few wires either. It was pretty brutal. Here's a picture (Not a great one, but you'll probably get the idea).
http://www.paradigm-city.com/images/ep24/AlanGabrielDeath1.jpg
Megadeuses (Sp?) are full of secrets nobody really knows about or understands. Big O has the element of suprise.
green_knight
03/27/2005, 22:15
Originally posted by DarkBlueAnt
Big O can probably kill anyone it doesn't want piloting it. Big Duo pretty much ate Alan with wires when he tried to modify it for himself, and then Schwarzwald's ghost came and laughed at him. *sigh* I wish there were new episodes. They're so fun.
An internal attack is a no go here, me thinks.
Big O is too much for Oberon. With or without a pilot. Durability, versatility, strength, firepower and creativity are on his side. Oberon can only match him in versatility in my opinion, and that's not enough.
Big O for the win.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
You really think we can't get DTM to do another tourney? :) C'mon now, MSU...that's like a smoker saying he's going to go cold turkey.
You are right Rokk! Must keep my spirits up. But what else is there left to do for the TOCs? We have done movies, cartoons, comics...all that is left is TV, and there are not that many tournament champions out there in TV land (sans sci-fi ala Star Trek and fantasy ala Buffy, Hercules, Xena, Mutant X).
Hmm...maybe we CAN convince DTM to have a TV tourney...divide it up into two divisions (LW/MW and HW/SHW).
Also, once your done with that, a Videogame character TOC (some of the characters in this TOC are VG characters anyways), and to end it all of, a huge super tourney featuring the best of all the others.
My rambling ideas.
Originally posted by icymatt
Also, once your done with that, a Videogame character TOC (some of the characters in this TOC are VG characters anyways), and to end it all of, a huge super tourney featuring the best of all the others.
My rambling ideas.
Thay have that. it's called "Super Smash Brothers". ;)
And Kirby rules all! MWA HA HA...go my squishy fluff ball of evil!
Rokk_Krinn
03/28/2005, 00:25
Originally posted by MSU
You are right Rokk! Must keep my spirits up. But what else is there left to do for the TOCs? We have done movies, cartoons, comics...all that is left is TV, and there are not that many tournament champions out there in TV land (sans sci-fi ala Star Trek and fantasy ala Buffy, Hercules, Xena, Mutant X).
Hmm...maybe we CAN convince DTM to have a TV tourney...divide it up into two divisions (LW/MW and HW/SHW).
Those would work or we could really mix things up. Say a "Great Heists" TOC - people nominate various criminal groups from TV, movies, novels, etc. - The Ocean's 11 crew, Thomas Crown, the Arkham inmates that have worked together, etc. - and each round has a randomly determined type of crime (rob a casino, jewel heist, kidnapping, etc.). Each team has 24 hours (separate "created" worlds) to bring their resources to bear and complete the crime. People vote on which team could do it best. :)
(Yeah, not saying it's great - just giving an idea of the different type of tournies. Heck, if you still want comic tournaments there's "Weird Tales" (Len Wein-era Swamp Thing, Creature Commandos, etc.), "Time Displaced LW's" (Kamandi, Nick Fury and the Howling Commandos, etc.) and other possibilities.
See, MSU - sky's the limit. Now just bribe DTM with, oh, I dunno, Star Wars minis and you won't have to work again. :)
Rokk_Krinn
03/28/2005, 00:27
Originally posted by MSU
And Kirby rules all! MWA HA HA...go my squishy fluff ball of evil!
Only 'cuz "Boy and his Blob" got robbed! I mean, c'mon, what was cooler - a mini-marshmallow that eats people (which is pretty cool, I must admit) or a blob that you feed different flavours of jellybeans to change its' shape (Okay, sounds lamer but it was cool I tell you - cool!). :)
The Red Baron
03/28/2005, 00:59
and dont forget a novel toc. hey thats a "novel idea", ha ha ha...., anyway even though it wont help i vote for big o, who isnt getting enough credit and can out fight obreon and if he fly inside he will get shot up with wires.
Originally posted by MSU
And Kirby rules all! MWA HA HA...go my squishy fluff ball of evil!
Gotta love the ones that win by eating their opponants.
GO KIRBY GO YOSHI
Originally posted by MSU
You are right Rokk! Must keep my spirits up. But what else is there left to do for the TOCs? We have done movies, cartoons, comics...all that is left is TV, and there are not that many tournament champions out there in TV land (sans sci-fi ala Star Trek and fantasy ala Buffy, Hercules, Xena, Mutant X).
Hmm...maybe we CAN convince DTM to have a TV tourney...divide it up into two divisions (LW/MW and HW/SHW).
As mentioned before in my BA Barracus vs. Caine solo TV battle, that was going to be my next possible TOC, and I even have a nice list of characters and shows from Live Action TV already set, but Im not sure it would do very well (as interest in the aforementioned TV solo battle wasnt very good at all), and since each TOC I do does worse than the one before it, I think Ill try and go out with a bang and leave it at that. Finish where I starts with a SHW Comics TOC and call it a day..er....a year. :) As far as Im concerned, I have 2 TOCs left in me. Misc. Solo Battles Id like to continue, though my Marvel v DC picks of late havent been all that good either, so who knows.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Those would work or we could really mix things up. Say a "Great Heists" TOC - people nominate various criminal groups from TV, movies, novels, etc. - The Ocean's 11 crew, Thomas Crown, the Arkham inmates that have worked together, etc. - and each round has a randomly determined type of crime (rob a casino, jewel heist, kidnapping, etc.). Each team has 24 hours (separate "created" worlds) to bring their resources to bear and complete the crime. People vote on which team could do it best. :)
(Yeah, not saying it's great - just giving an idea of the different type of tournies. Heck, if you still want comic tournaments there's "Weird Tales" (Len Wein-era Swamp Thing, Creature Commandos, etc.), "Time Displaced LW's" (Kamandi, Nick Fury and the Howling Commandos, etc.) and other possibilities.
See, MSU - sky's the limit. Now just bribe DTM with, oh, I dunno, Star Wars minis and you won't have to work again. :)
HA, Im gonna need someone a bit more reliable than you to trade SWMs with as its been how many months since we started with still no final trade list in sight? :p
You better get the lead out DTM the next set is gonna be out in a few weeks if I hear right.
Actually Rando, at this point Im only missing one, thanks to RK, and I think he might be helping me with that as well (Can never tell with him, hes friendly and all, but he likes to screw with your head alot as well. :) )
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