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As expected, Match 7 is becoming a bit of a blowout, so here you have the Final Match of Round 2, Match 8. Enjoy. :)
Now without further adieu, allow me to present your next battle in a BRAND NEW (Actually unless youre from Mars, these are pretty old hat by now) type of Tournament Of Champions:
OMEGA SUPREME (TRANSFORMERS)
VS.
TALPA (RONIN WARRIORS)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them AND/OR routinely used in their shows, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
New Millenium City - A large, modern city, full of gleaming steel, and polished marble skyscrapers. High speed train tracks, suspended in the sky, whisk it's industrious population from building to building. Perfectly manicured parks are nested at the feet of gleaming edifices to modern design.
(Inspired by: Superman TAS, Transformers (ie, Cybertron) and similar shows)
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
ALSO, please do your best to respect everyones votes, reasonings and opinions here. If you believe your character should win, but doesnt in the end, dont hold grudges against the character that beat yours, or call the votes that allowed this to happen "fanboy" arguments or plain and simply wrong. We all have our own way of thinking and voting here, with each one of our thoughts and ideas as valid as your own. Lets do what we can, even in the heat of an argument, to respect that. Thanks.
TV CARTOON TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Part 4
ROUND 1
He-Man vs. Oberon: Oberon (12 - 7)
Tiamat vs. Superion: Tiamat (15 - 4)
Big O vs. The Gundam: Big O (7 - 0)
Omega Supreme vs. Hordak: Omega Supreme (7 - 0)
Godzilla vs. Imhotep: Godzilla (9 - 2)
Genie vs. Ryoko: Genie (11 - 10)
Shendu vs. Legato Bluesummers: Shendu (11 - 4)
King Hiss vs. Voltron (Vehicle Form): Voltron (Vehicle Form) (8 - 2)
Venger vs. Devastator: Venger (7 - 2)
Space Ghost vs. BlackWarGreymon: Space Ghost (10 - 5)
Metlar vs. Mewtwo: Mewtwo (10 - 1)
Sailor Saturn vs. Gundam Deathscyth v.2: Gundam Deathscyth v.2 (7 - 3)
Dracula vs. Wiseman: Wiseman (8 - 7)
Lord Hazanko vs. Mozenrath: Lord Hazanko (5 - 4)
Talpa vs. Experiment 627: Talpa (5 - 2)
Pyron vs. Voltron (Lion Form): Pyron (7 - 6)
ROUND 2
Tiamat vs. Godzilla: Tiamat (10 - 3)
Shendu vs. Lord Hazanko: Lord Hazanko (9 - 8)
Genie vs. Pyron: Pryon (10 - 8)
Wiseman vs. Voltron (Vehicle Form): Wiseman (8 - 0)
Big O vs. Oberon: Oberon
Space Ghost vs. MewTwo: Mewtwo
Venger vs. Gundam Deathscyth v.2: Venger
Omega Surpeme vs. Talpa: ??????
13 Down, 3 To Go
Omega Surpeme (Transformers) - Omega Supreme is the ultimate defensive force. Although he has vast strength, it is his even greater courage which truly distinguishes him. Against overwhelming odds, he will stand unwaveringly and fight with every last microchip of his mechanical being. His fellow Autobots consider him serious, even grim, but those with insight know the reason why: the enormity of the responsibility placed on Omega Supreme. He is designed specifically as the Autobots last line of defense. It is his job to protect the Ark and anything else considered vital to the Autobot cause. He knows that should he fall in battle, chances are there will be no other Autobots left by that point to take over his role. His is a situation Omega Supreme finds both challenging and chilling. He would have it no other way.
Abilities: In robot form, Omega Supreme possesses enormous strength and firepower. A blow from one of his arms can create a massive hole in a mountainside. With his clawed arm he can lift Tremendous amounts of weight. The plasma blaster on his other arm can pulverize a solid 12' x 12' x 12' steel cube. The laser cannon mounted on his head can hit an object as small as a can at unreal distances. His armored form is virtually impervious to all non-nuclear explosives and energy-beam weapons. He can change his form into two other forms simultaneously: a laser cannon tank and a rocket with launching pad. The launching pad can boost its rocket into planetary orbit. The rocket is adaptable to communication, military and transport uses.
Weaknesses: In both intelligence and speed, Omega Supreme is a bit slow and plodding. He makes an easy target, but his enormous firepower can usually compensate for that.
Talpa (Ronin Warriors) - Long ago the Demon King Talpa led his troops to conquer the mortal realm. The battle was long and tedious, but in the end Talpa was defeated by a man called "The Ancient". The Ancient, knowing that Talpa could use his armor to return to the mortal real, split the armor into 9 different armors. Each one had a different trait, virtue, wisdom, justice, trust, life, loyalty, piety, serenity, and obedience. Furious, Talpa vowed to one day reclaim all 9 armors and destroy the mortal realm.
Grinner, in the event this too is a blowout (not saying it should be, but just in case), could you randomize some numbers for me for Round 3? Thanks.
Maniac_nmt
03/26/2005, 22:43
Omega Supreme, there is a reason he's the last line of defense. In his case, size does matter.
Gonna have to go with Omega Supreme. Talpa couldn't take one blow from his cannon, and even if he dodges the blasts (which he most likely would), OS could just drop a building on his head. The terrain also works to Superme's advantage.
Rokk_Krinn
03/27/2005, 00:23
Talpa has control over the elements, correct? Omega Supreme is formed of metal (Earth) and Talpa - from other posts - seem's capable of dodging Omega's attacks. I think I have to go with the Ronin opponent here.
Vote: Talpa
I have to go Omega Supreme here as well...hes just TOO strong...in terms of raw fire power and endurance I feel he blows everything else in the tournament away....mages tho...it'll be interesting to see, but this is a case where we are not dealing with a robot who has an exploitable pilot, and this guys a good deal tougher than Devastator.
Well this is interesting. The peak of technology verus a powerful magic user.
I think I will vote for Talpa to win, but barely. Talpa is a great deal wiser than OS, however the vast firepower of OS makes this an extremely close match.
I will go for Omega Supreme. Even magic has its limits and I think that the pure firepower from Omega will take Talpa out.
Talpa has control over the elements, correct? Omega Supreme is formed of metal (Earth) and Talpa - from other posts - seem's capable of dodging Omega's attacks. I think I have to go with the Ronin opponent here.
Vote: Talpa
He doesn't have control over them, he just has elemental attacks (i.e. water attack means he shoots water at you, he can't control the water in you body anyway).
And Omega Supreme's metals are cybertronian alloys anyway.
My vote is Omega Supreme. Talpa is big enough that he can be targeted with all of OS's firepower, and he's not really fast enough or on possession of weird enough ability to overcome Omega's firepower and significant toughness advantage (Talpa is really a 'stand up and fight' warrior himself, not like most of the other mages here). Both guys are power combatants, one using enchanted armor and weapons, the other using tech, but when it comes to power, you don't beat Omega Supreme.
Talpa should win this easily.
As was mentioned last match Talpa destroys all technology in a huge radius around himself, he will shut down Omega Supreme before the battle even starts.
Rokk_Krinn
03/27/2005, 12:44
Originally posted by Q99
[b]And Omega Supreme's metals are cybertronian alloys anyway.
Doesn't matter where the alloy comes from - Cybertron included - an alloy is still metal. Magic would still consider it alchemically Earth. Everything can be tied back to the base element from which it sprang.
Now, if Tulpa's powers don't work that way, that's one thing - though Rando's post about Tulpa shutting down tech leads me to believe he has some power over Omega there - but to say Cybertronian alloy couldn't be magically manipulated just says it's not tied into, oh, the physical universe. :)
Omega Supreme for the win. Couple reasons...first, he's on his home turf. Second, the amount of firepower that OS packs, its gonna be hard to not obliterate the city and Talpa with the city. Its going to take many shots for Talpa to take down OS, and all OS needs is one. Omega Supreme to round 3.
About Tapa's elemental powers:
You always hear about characters who can 'control water', yet they never, say, crush somebody from the inside using their own bodily fluids. The only person who ever really uses an elemental power in this way is Magneto. So, I don't actually think Talpa can 'control' OS' body metal, but he can cause earthquakes or form mountains.
And even with these powers, I don't think he could beat Omega Supreme.
Off-topic, but who thinks the only way Tiamat will be eliminated next round is if she battles Pyron?
Who else thinks that the final two if set up correctly with be Tiamat and Pyron? Mewtwo is the wildcard....but we have A LOT of magic users in round 3...its gonna be dark wizard vs. dark wizard next round...whose got the better mojo...I am all a tingle. :laugh:
Talpa will shut Omega down and end this in a few seconds.
My vote Talpa
Originally posted by MSU
Omega Supreme for the win. Couple reasons...first, he's on his home turf. Second, the amount of firepower that OS packs, its gonna be hard to not obliterate the city and Talpa with the city. Its going to take many shots for Talpa to take down OS, and all OS needs is one. Omega Supreme to round 3.
Considering that Omega Supreme will shut down immidietly upon the start of the match I don't think it's gonna be that hard not to obliterate the city.
Uknown352
03/27/2005, 13:36
I will vote for talpa because apparantly he can and will shut omega supreme down very quickly after the match starts. I just wish I had heard of these characters before.
Rokk_Krinn
03/27/2005, 15:10
Originally posted by icymatt
About Tapa's elemental powers:
You always hear about characters who can 'control water', yet they never, say, crush somebody from the inside using their own bodily fluids. The only person who ever really uses an elemental power in this way is Magneto.
You need to read more comics. :)
We've seen "plant elementals" (and failed ones) like Floronic Man and Poison Ivy expand the flora in someone's digestive track, while Swamp Thing has done that and about a zillion other really nasty elemental attacks (check out the issue where he demolished Gotham City).
Cosmic Boy actually was doing the "control the iron in the blood" before Magneto was known for it. Cos just isn't as vicious and uses it less frequently, so nods go to Eric. :)
New Wave is known for drowning people via the fluid in their lungs, while Dr. Alchemy & Mr. Element perform even nastier attacks like transforming a section of the lungs into chlorine (so that it combines with the lung fluid to create a nasty form of hydrochloric acid). Actually Alchemy & Element just do all sorts of vicious attacks altogether.
I can go on, but to say Magneto is the only one who does that doesn't quite work. :)
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Talpa has control over the elements, correct? Omega Supreme is formed of metal (Earth) and Talpa - from other posts - seem's capable of dodging Omega's attacks. I think I have to go with the Ronin opponent here.
Vote: Talpa
I believe it was stated Talpa last match that he cant CONTROL the elements, but he does use them in his attacks. He can fire a blast of cold, but he cant manipulate existing ice. he can shoot a beam of fire, but cant control flames or fires around him. Ill mark you down for Talpa still, but I think youre giving him a power, the actual controlling of the elements (ala Captain Planet), that he really doesnt have.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
You need to read more comics. :)
We've seen "plant elementals" (and failed ones) like Floronic Man and Poison Ivy expand the flora in someone's digestive track, while Swamp Thing has done that and about a zillion other really nasty elemental attacks (check out the issue where he demolished Gotham City).
Cosmic Boy actually was doing the "control the iron in the blood" before Magneto was known for it. Cos just isn't as vicious and uses it less frequently, so nods go to Eric. :)
New Wave is known for drowning people via the fluid in their lungs, while Dr. Alchemy & Mr. Element perform even nastier attacks like transforming a section of the lungs into chlorine (so that it combines with the lung fluid to create a nasty form of hydrochloric acid). Actually Alchemy & Element just do all sorts of vicious attacks altogether.
I can go on, but to say Magneto is the only one who does that doesn't quite work. :)
Well, to quote Peter Griffin, I've learned something today.
Originally posted by Rando
Talpa should win this easily.
As was mentioned last match Talpa destroys all technology in a huge radius around himself, he will shut down Omega Supreme before the battle even starts.
This is an intersting post. Whats the highest tech thing Talpa has shown down this way, how often can he do this, and at what range? Anybody know?
Omega Supreme - 7 votes
Talpa - 5 votes
Well, looks like Round 2 is going to be up another day.
Im still not 100% convinced that Talpa can simply shut down a robot as highly sophistcated and advanced, let alone powerful, as Omega Supreme.
Omega is a good solider, and if he knows Talpa could shut him down he will simply keep his distance (since I dont think Talpas EMP power can affect the entire 25 mile wide arena). Omega can transform into a flying, firing rocket and simply take strafing shots on Talpa from a huge distance with his massive firepower until he is defeated (either by the blasts or having one of the MANY surrounding buildings fall on him)
Omega Supremes range is VAST, Ive got to say longer than Talpas own, and unless Talpa can teleport RIGHT ON Omega, or can fly as fast as Omega, I think hes going to fall more than not.
.....hmmmm, looks like I just convinced myself to vote, Omega Supreme to win.
Maniac_nmt
03/27/2005, 15:35
Originally posted by DTM
This is an intersting post. Whats the highest tech thing Talpa has shown down this way, how often can he do this, and at what range? Anybody know?
Not to mention, why it would even effect Omega Supreme. Cybertronian technology, and Terran technology are different, and work much differently (such as a transformers ability to shunt mass off into an unknown dimmension during transformations, allowing them to change size for a transformation, ie Soundwave, Blaster, Astro Train, Ravage, Rumble, Laserbeak, etc etc etc, Energon itself, and so forth).
I initially read about this ability on some fan sites while looking up information about Talpa. If I recall correctly they are refering to how he shut down every single technological device in a large city instantly upon his arrival on Earth (he opened a dimensional rift over the city and mass panic ensued), it knocked out a large city (about the size of New York or Tokyo) as well as much of the surrounding suburbs, and the condition persisted for some time (I'm not sure if it ever got fixed on the show).
I might be wrong but I seem to recall it mentioned that as Talpa gained power (some sites claim that he is actually drawing power from the devices he shuts down) that this would eventually spread across the entire plant.
To make a long story short my considered opinion is that he can do this whenever he likes at a range that encompasses the entire arena. He has only been shown to affect current day tech, but it is a magical effect and no technology resisted it that I can remember.
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Not to mention, why it would even effect Omega Supreme. Cybertronian technology, and Terran technology are different, and work much differently (such as a transformers ability to shunt mass off into an unknown dimmension during transformations, allowing them to change size for a transformation, ie Soundwave, Blaster, Astro Train, Ravage, Rumble, Laserbeak, etc etc etc, Energon itself, and so forth).
Probably because it's magic and therefore supercedes typical physical laws. It isn't like Talpa is some science wiz, he is a master of the supernatural.
Maniac_nmt
03/27/2005, 15:43
Originally posted by Rando
Probably because it's magic and therefore supercedes typical physical laws. It isn't like Talpa is some science wiz, he is a master of the supernatural.
Actually, from your description, it sounds more like an EMP field was generated by his initial arrival/portal. Not something he can throw arround. Nor necessarily magic, but more akin to just the massive energy release.
Plus, not necessarily something that will affect Omega Supreme. As a last line of defense, I'm sure he'd be somewhat shielded from an EMP.
It was definently magical as Talpa didn't employ any technology beyond that used in the feudal era of Japan.
I'm also fairly certain it wan't just an energy release, and definently not an EMP, for several reasons. First and foremost nothing in the city worked, and there is current day technology that resists EMP's, secondly Talpa employs demonic magic not electro magnetic powers, third I'm fairly sure the condition persisted over the city and prevented military weapons from being brought to bear against Talpa and his forces (I could be wrong about this, but I doubt it), fourth the supposition that the condition was spreading would preclude any "energy release" theory.
Given that it has been shown to affect all technology and Omega Supreme has no reason to have any resistance to magic it is much more likely to affect him than not.
Originally posted by Rando
Considering that Omega Supreme will shut down immidietly upon the start of the match I don't think it's gonna be that hard not to obliterate the city.
As usual Rando, you and I disagree on this. I don't think OS will be shut down by Talpa. I don't believe thats how Talpa's powers work. No examples have been given except that one where Talpa enters a city and destroys the tech by something that no one has been able to determine. OS is a highly advanced robot, it has shielding beyond shielding. Its gonna take a lot to shut down OS, more than what Talpa has to offer. As I said before, Talpa needs many hits to take down OS, Omega Supreme just needs one.
Very cool final fight of the Round I think. Well, looks like Round 3 starts tomorrow, but dont let that deter you from voting or debating further on the remainder of the Round 2 matches until then.
Happy Easter my friends, enjoy your big day and save me a Cadbury Creme Egg if you can. :)
This is an intersting post. Whats the highest tech thing Talpa has shown down this way, how often can he do this, and at what range? Anybody know?
He shut down modern tech only, and I'm not sure if it was a natural ability of his or some big thing he set up/a result of summoning something that big. Here, he wouldn't be summoned. Definitely nothing with a transformer's 'Spark' (their equivelent of a soul, made by the Matrix, and a lot harder to affect than a normal program).
I'd rate it, at best, like Smith's absorbtion ability, and it shouldn't be here in the tourney. It has nothing to do with his ability, after all, it's more of a side effect of him being here, and it'd be an 'insta-win' if it does (which I don't think it would anyway, but just in principle).
hail_eris
03/28/2005, 11:20
Hmm. Good point about the "Spark". I didn't think some ramped up EMP would take out Omega Supreme, but that sealed it. Little man has much magic, but the Transformer is a damage machine. This city will get wrecked and a good portion of it will end up on top of Talpa. His bad luck to pull the un-piloted mech. Omega Supreme to advance.
Rokk_Krinn
03/28/2005, 11:25
The thing here is that it's not am EMP - it's a magical shutting down of technology. It may have an effect that can be duplicated to a lesser degree by an EMP but that's like saying, oh, Oberon's sleep spells are no more effective than a high dosage of medication. It's magic - not a natural effect - and therefore probably bypasses shielding.
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