Marvel vs. DC Battles #58: The Punisher vs. Deadshot

[DTM]

Ouch, did it seems I underestimated Parallaxs might just a bit, and while I do believe Tyrant would have taken his Final Night form, I was in the minority and therefore will be glad to announce Parallax as last matches Winner. :)

Now, lets go from Cosmic Beings back down to LWs, in this next battle.

Fighting with all they have, with all of their strength, skill and power, which of these will be victorious, and which will fall in utter defeart?

Lets hear it for Marvel vs. DC fight #58:


DEADSHOT


VS.


PUNISHER


As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them, to fight in a large open 1 mile area (though these characters start roughly 100 feet away from one another) til one character stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.


Previous Results from Marvel vs. DC battles

1. Wonder Woman vs. Hercules: Wonder Woman
2. Doomsday (Hunter/Prey) vs. Thanos: Thanos
3. Ras Al Ghul vs. The Red Skull: Ras Al Ghul
4. Amazo vs. Ultron: Ultron
5. Lobo vs. Gladiator: Lobo
6. Nightwing vs. The Punisher: Punisher
7. Mongul vs. Terrax: Mongul
8. Bane vs. Kraven: Bane
9a. Darkseid vs. Dark Phoenix: Dark Phoenix
9b. Darkseid vs. Morg: Darkseid
10. Lady Shiva vs. Bullseye: Lady Shiva
11a. Kingdom Come Superman vs. The Maestro: KC Superman
11b. Current Day Superman vs. The Maestro: TIE
12. Deathstroke vs. Sabretooth: Deathstroke
13. Captain Marvel vs. Iron Man: Captain Marvel
14. Batgirl vs. Captain America: Captain America
15. Kalibak vs. Abomination: Abomination
16. Orion vs. Beta Ray Thor: Beta Ray Thor
17. Prometheus vs. Deadpool: Deadpool
18. Doomsday vs. The Maestro: The Maestro
19. Captain Marvel vs. Beta Ray Thor: Beta Ray Thor
20. Lobo vs. Ultron: Ultron
21. Kingdom Come Superman vs. Warrior Madness Thor: Warrior Madness Thor
22. Amazo vs. Morg: Morg
23. Lady Shiva vs. Deadpool: Lady Shiva
24. Deathstroke vs. Captain America: Captain America
25. JLA vs. Heralds of Galactus: Heralds of Galactus

**********

26. Sinestro vs. Magneto: Sinestro
27. Batman vs. Cable: Cable
28. The Joker vs The Kingpin: The Kingpin
29. Nightwing vs. Gambit: Nightwing
30. Neron vs. Mephisto: Mephisto
31. Black Adam vs. Ulik: Black Adam
32. Green Arrow vs. Daredevil: Daredevil
33. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) vs. Thor: Thor
34. Pre Crisis Superman vs. Galactus: Galactus
35. Fernus vs. Onslaught: Onslaught
36. Deathstroke vs. Spider-Man: Spider-Man
37. Mordru vs. Dormmamu: Mordru
38. Power Girl vs. Thing: Power Girl
39. JSA vs. Infinity Watch: Infinity Watch
40. Hawkman vs. Wolverine: Wolverine
41. Wonder Woman vs. Hyperion: Hyperion
42. Starfire vs. Human Torch: Starfire
43. Richard Dragon vs. Shang Chi: Richard Dragon
44a. Lex Luthor (Battle Armor) vs. Dr. Doom (Unthinkable): Dr. Doom
44b. Lex Luthor (Battle Armor) vs. Dr. Doom (Standard Armor): Dr. Doom
45: Etrigan the Demon vs. Ghost Rider: Etrigan the Demon
46. Dr. Mid-Nite vs. Moon Knight: Moon Knight
47. Cyborg vs. Luke Cage: Cyborg
48. Bizarro vs. Count Nefaria: Count Nefaria
49. Mr. Terrific vs. Nick Fury: Mr. Terrific
50. Legion Of Doom vs. Acts Of Vengeance Masterminds: Acts Of Vengeance Masterminds

**********

51. Firestorm vs. Sersi: Sersi
52. General Zod vs. Kurse: Kurse
53. Solomon Grundy vs. Sebastian Shaw: Sebastian Shaw
54. Azrael vs. Iron Fist: Iron Fist
55. Captain Atom vs. Captain Mar-Vell: Captain Atom
55b. Captain Atom vs. Iron Man: Captain Atom
56. Major Force vs. Annihilus: Annihilus
57. Parallax vs. Tyrant: Parallax
58. Deadshot vs. Punisher: ??????

[thugit]

Deadshot is a much better shot, but I say Punisher can take him.


Punisher for the win.

[Rando]

Deadshot has been to Apocalypse and back, Punisher murders gangsters and hassles Daerdevil. I vote for Deadshot.

[Avatar Jack]

Deadshot, easily. This guy is a monster at range; he could most likely nail Spider-man, super-senses and all (I'm not saying it would more than a scratch, but that is still impressive).

[DTM]

Personally Im going Punisher.

hes hardly some spray and pray shooter, he has got Weapons Skills (close and ranged) up the yin yang. Not to mention I think hes alot tougher, mentally and physically, then Deadshot. Its a close match up to me (wouldnt have put this together if I didnt think so), but in the end my vote goes to The Punisher.

Oh, and Punisher has gone up against more than mobsters in his career, talk about Blackheart a few times, Ulik and Dr. Doom once, Kingpin near constantly, and he routinely tussles with the likes of SpiderMan, Daredevil and Wolverine, and even Luke Cage, Ghost Rider and Captain America. So again, hes hardly just some guy that makes muggers skins crawl and thats it.

As for shooting skill, this guy shot down Caps Shield and DDs club (both in mid flight to him) and managed to shoot out SpiderMans webshooters once. Again, the Punisher is hardly some spray and pray ranged combatant.

[SaferSephiroth]

I say Punisher for no good reason. Don't ask me to back my claim.

[SumYungGai]

I'm going to vote for the Punisher. I think Deadshot (and Bullseye for that matter) are much more accurate than Frank, but the Punisher . . . C'mon, it's the Punisher. He's just tougher and more battle savvy.

[Avatar Jack]

Deadshot only has to hit Punisher once in the head. Just once. He can do this standing in his starting area, before the Punisher even gets his finger to the trigger. The only way that Punisher would have a shot (pun!) is if there some kind of terrain to hide behind. But in an open area, standing 100 ft. directly across from each other, Deadshot will take down nearly anyone (nearly any light-weight) with ease.

[DTM]

Originally posted by SaferSephiroth
I say Punisher for no good reason. Don't ask me to back my claim.

I wont, if you dont ask me to count your vote. :)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Punisher isn't bad, I have to admit, but against Deadshot he's in trouble. While Mr. Lawton might use "trickshots" against a few people like Batman, he's not going to be doing that in combat with Frank. Frank's got some decent body armour, but nothing to protect his head. Deadshot can see that - and with his visual equipment he'll spot Frank first and fast - and after that it's a one-shot kill.

Vote: Deadshot

[Nighthawk]

I'm with Avatar Jack. Deadshot will put one through Frank's eye before you are done with the G in "Go!"

[DTM]

Originally posted by Avatar Jack
Deadshot only has to hit Punisher once in the head. Just once. He can do this standing in his starting area, before the Punisher even gets his finger to the trigger. The only way that Punisher would have a shot (pun!) is if there some kind of terrain to hide behind. But in an open area, standing 100 ft. directly across from each other, Deadshot will take down nearly anyone (nearly any light-weight) with ease.

And knowing this, and being as battle hardened and experienced as the Punisher is, do you expect him to start out by pulling out a sniper rifle and taking his time with his opening shot, or rather getting an Uzi or 2 cocked and ready, moving and shooting (which will FORCE Deadshot to move as well or be hit) as he makes his way closer to his enemy here.

[SaferSephiroth]

Originally posted by DTM
I wont, if you dont ask me to count your vote. :)
Aw bloody hell. Then I say Punisher because . . . he's taken on some bad customers under Ennis. And humiliated them.

[Avatar Jack]

I think the true question here, is who is faster, the Punisher or Deadshot? I think Deadshot is fast enough, and skilled enough, to shot the Punisher before he gets a change to move out of the way.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Castle can try to inch closer to Deadshot, agreed, but see that mask on Floyd? That eye-piece has multiple visual capabilities that will help him spot the Punisher (it's not like Deadshot is inexperienced either). Even if Punisher gets off a shot first - unlikely as Deadshot's weapons are practically a part of him and he's like Bullseye with firearms - Lawton has full-over bodyarmour, especially on the head. He's got a far better chance of getting up after a shot than Punisher.

[de4dp00l]

If Deadshot's so good at shooting people in the head before they even know he's there, why isn't he taking out all the heros he fights? C'mon, just because he's got deadly accuracy doesn't mean he's just going to pull the trigger once and get the kill. Punisher's got amazing skills with weapons of all sorts, and enough battle cunning to stand up to some really big opponents. Punisher takes this one, because he's a lot smarter, if for no other reason.

[de4dp00l]

Also, Punisher has fought Bullseye on several occasions, and Bullseye is nearly identical to Deadshot in abilities. Guess who won most of those fights?

[Avatar Jack]

Originally posted by de4dp00l
If Deadshot's so good at shooting people in the head before they even know he's there, why isn't he taking out all the heros he fights? C'mon, just because he's got deadly accuracy doesn't mean he's just going to pull the trigger once and get the kill. Punisher's got amazing skills with weapons of all sorts, and enough battle cunning to stand up to some really big opponents. Punisher takes this one, because he's a lot smarter, if for no other reason.

To be fair, it very rare that Deadshot faces people in a wide, open area, with nothing for them to hide behind.

[DTM]

Same with Punisher, and while he MAY not have Deadshot accuracy, he does out weapon him, not to mention in experience, determination, willpower, guts and battle smarts. its NOT, on either side, going to be a matter of point, click, dead.

[Rando]

Originally posted by de4dp00l
Also, Punisher has fought Bullseye on several occasions, and Bullseye is nearly identical to Deadshot in abilities. Guess who won most of those fights?

Except for Bullseye has a range of normal human sight, and often chooses to employ thrown objects. Deadshot can see farther than a human being due to his equipment, uses a weapon that has enough stopping power to badly harm even super-beings, and has a much, much higher rate of fire than throwing things.

[deadalus13]

I vote for the Punisher. While Deadshot is a better shot, he is like Bullseye. His shots go right where he wants them to, but he can't force the target to stay still. Frank is more tactically proficient. He will not start out standing still, trying to line up a good shot. He only takes that kind of time when he has the element of surprise. He will immediatly start moving to provide a more difficult target and he will most likely disrupt Deadshot's ability to target him by either throwing down some smoke or a flash bang. Punisher has weapons that don't have to be that accurate. He will work his way closer to Deadshot using suppressive fire to force Deadshot on the defensive.

[Rando]

Originally posted by DTM
Same with Punisher, and while he MAY not have Deadshot accuracy, he does out weapon him, not to mention in experience, determination, willpower, guts and battle smarts. its NOT, on either side, going to be a matter of point, click, dead.

No Punisher has more weapons, none of them are as threatening as Deadshot's.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Against heroes like Batman, Lawton doesn't do the shot, that's true. Deadshot has a compulsion in those cases where he almost wants to take the trickshot instead. That being said, against "gun bunnies", we've seen Deadshot "one shot" more than a few times and to him that's what the Punisher will be: a Rambo-esque gunner who doesn't deserve the "respect" of a trick shot. There's another reason Floyd does trickshots against Batman and Co. - he knows they're not out to kill him but in the case of the Punisher, Deadshot knows the score. When Deadshot was in the Suicide Squad going up against deadly force using foes he _frequently_ went straight for the one-shot kill.

[DTM]

And lastly, before work, I dont think Deadshot is as good as Bullseye.

[SaferSephiroth]

I'm pretty sure Punisher lost to Bullseye. I could ask around on the other battleboard if you want.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by DTM
And lastly, before work, I dont think Deadshot is as good as Bullseye.

You could think that but canon would show you're wrong. ;) (at least when using a firearm). Heck, Deadshot's probably even better with a gun than Bullseye.

[Maniac_nmt]

In an open arena, Deadshot's weapons don't have near the range Frank's do (as a high powered, scoped rifle is pretty standard eq for Frank).

As such, accuracy means absolutely nothing. Frank was a former Marine sniper. One shot, one kill later Frank is victorious yet again.

Deadshot has no chance in an open arena against the Punisher (in a crowded environment, then you get a real fight). None, wrist mounted pistols are useless here. As even a basic assault rifle will still out-range Deadshot.

[DraXXXen]

I vote deadshot, should be able to get enough shots in to bring down castle.

[SumYungGai]

Originally posted by Avatar Jack
I think the true question here, is who is faster
No, I think the real questions are who is more focused.

For all of his issues and flaws, the Punisher is single-minded and focused on his task. His tragedy has made him concentrate all of his energy and resources.

Deadshot has all sorts of personality issues that hold him back. Lawton's tragedy has scattered his mind. His deathwish will bring him to test Frank's limits, and that's the kind of edge Frank will exploit.

[Rando]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
In an open arena, Deadshot's weapons don't have near the range Frank's do (as a high powered, scoped rifle is pretty standard eq for Frank).

As such, accuracy means absolutely nothing. Frank was a former Marine sniper. One shot, one kill later Frank is victorious yet again.

Deadshot has no chance in an open arena against the Punisher (in a crowded environment, then you get a real fight). None, wrist mounted pistols are useless here. As even a basic assault rifle will still out-range Deadshot.

I didn't know you were an expert on sci-fi weaponry, that has no modern equivalent. So you would have me believe that Deadshot threw down the time and money to have wrist mounted weapons desinged for him that are better than conventional firearms and got a visual apparatus that allows him to see farther, but he didn't bother to get his weapons designed to utlize the range that his sensory equipment allows him to operate at?

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Deadshot's a monster in a situation like this. He has a serious psychological weakness against heroes, against whom he has a compulsion to lose-- but fighting other gun guys, as Rokk points out, he's ruthless.

He creases Frank's melon before Frank knows what hit him.

[Maniac_nmt]

Originally posted by Rando
I didn't know you were an expert on sci-fi weaponry, that has no modern equivalent. So you would have me believe that Deadshot threw down the time and money to have wrist mounted weapons desinged for him that are better than conventional firearms and got a visual apparatus that allows him to see farther, but he didn't bother to get his weapons designed to utlize the range that his sensory equipment allows him to operate at?

Hoo-ray!? It's still a short barrelled weapon. It won't have the accuracy, Frank's custom rifle based weapons do.

Sci-fi nothing, it's still a bullet, and still comming from the limitations of a far too short barrell.

Batman runs arround with binoculars. Does that mean he can throw a bata-rang half a mile?

[SaferSephiroth]

Heh, you want to talk sci-fi coughBULLSEYEcoughcough.

[deadalus13]

"Deadshot can see farther than a human being due to his equipment, uses a weapon that has enough stopping power to badly harm even super-beings, and has a much, much higher rate of fire than throwing things."

These aren't really any kind of advantage in this scenario. It doesn't matter how far Deadshot can see, since he starts only 100 feet away from Frank. One hundred feet is nothing for Frank. He will be just as accurate at that distance. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem hitting someone at that distance. Basic marksmanship qualification in the military is against mostly targets further away and you must pass or you don't get through basic training. Deadshot's weapons might be able to do heavy damage to even super beings but there are no super beings here. Both contestants's weapons will do major damage to the other. Also, I don't think Deadshot's weapons have a faster rate of fire than one of the fully auto weapons that Punisher will have on him. What this battle will come down to is experience and intelligence, both areas where Punisher has the advantage.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

They're 100 feet apart. They both have all the accuarace they need. Deadshot's faster and more accurate (and he even hits moving targets).

End of story.

[Rando]

Oh my bad. I didn't realize that the limitations of haveing a short barrel were harder to overcome than say those that prevent teleportation, or the construction of paper thin materials that can be comfortably worn that stops gunfire, or the ability to construct combustion driven jetpacks (as well as jetboots) that allow perfect aerial maneuvarability for hours at speeds that enable one to travel across the country as quickly as many conventional jet liners.

[SyxxPac]

I'm assuming Punisher doesn't have a sniper rifle strapped to his back when he gets teleported, saying that Deadshot will put one if Frank's dome. It may not happen right away, but it will happen.

[NotYou]

As they start 100 foot apart then this goes to Deadshot easily.
His opening salvo will be faster and more accurate than Frank's
in any situation that isn't written by Ennis.

[Rando]

Originally posted by deadalus13
"Deadshot can see farther than a human being due to his equipment, uses a weapon that has enough stopping power to badly harm even super-beings, and has a much, much higher rate of fire than throwing things."

These aren't really any kind of advantage in this scenario. It doesn't matter how far Deadshot can see, since he starts only 100 feet away from Frank. One hundred feet is nothing for Frank. He will be just as accurate at that distance. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem hitting someone at that distance. Basic marksmanship qualification in the military is against mostly targets further away and you must pass or you don't get through basic training. Deadshot's weapons might be able to do heavy damage to even super beings but there are no super beings here. Both contestants's weapons will do major damage to the other. Also, I don't think Deadshot's weapons have a faster rate of fire than one of the fully auto weapons that Punisher will have on him. What this battle will come down to is experience and intelligence, both areas where Punisher has the advantage.

Punisher has more experience and intelligence huh? Somehow I doubt it. Punisher's activities are very low-key, he kills mainly normal people and very-low end super beings, Spider-man is probably the most dangerous thing that has ever shown up in his world. Deadshot on his own operates in Batman land, and has been known to go even into the SHw's for foes, he has been on Apokalypse amongst a team makeing a tactical strike aganst Darkseid stuff, in Identity Crisis he got seconds from killing Green Lantern (Kyle) even when Lantern attacked him and his super-villian poker buddies with a more dangerous team of super-heros with total suprise. Punisher has never been within spitting distance of an entity of that magnitude.

[overseeker]

Punisher would win this one if it came down to a close combat fight. Unfortunately, he'll never get the chance to get close. Deadshot is way too accurate from a distance and will likely keep Frank at bay long enough to finish him off. My vote: Deadshot!

[Q99]

Originally posted by de4dp00l
If Deadshot's so good at shooting people in the head before they even know he's there, why isn't he taking out all the heros he fights?

Well, he misses on purpose with Batman for personal reasons, only winging him and the like. I think one important part of that is that he has some choice over whether or not he hits Batman.
He's better at hitting stuff than Bullseye (who, while he has perfect accuracy, still has the problem of agile people managing to get out of the way, which is harder to do against Deadshot).



I vote Deadshot takes it. In a quickdraw, Deadshot is faster, but even if Frank gets a 'karmic strike' and they both shoot each other, or he shoots a tiny fraction first, he goes down, DS doesn't.

Also, Deadshot is in general a pretty experianced guy, which doesn't hurt. Suicide squad, fights Batman, etc. etc..

[Ignatz_Mouse]

It's also worth noting that he doesn't often fight heroes.

In his recent miniseries, he fights Green Arrow. He shoots his drawstring. He clearly could have shot him in the head, a much larger target.

Deadshot plays by weird rules with heroes.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt

As such, accuracy means absolutely nothing. Frank was a former Marine sniper. One shot, one kill later Frank is victorious yet again.


Unless, of course, it hits Deadshot's body armour - including his heavily protected head and vital areas - which we've seen allow him to survive shots from Parademons.

[rowzdowermst3k]

Deadshot on this one. I love the Punisher (possibly my favorite Marvel character), but Deadshot's one of the best shots ever. I don't think Castle could get close enough to him. Plus, Deadshot shot himself in the neck to distract Kyle Rayner and nearly killed Kyle.

Deadshot wins.

[deadalus13]

"Punisher has more experience and intelligence huh? Somehow I doubt it. Punisher's activities are very low-key, he kills mainly normal people and very-low end super beings, Spider-man is probably the most dangerous thing that has ever shown up in his world."

I have to assume from that last line that you haven't read a lot of Punisher comics. Punisher has fought HWs and SHWs before just like Deadshot. The thing is there are no HWs or SHWs here. It is just two guys shooting at each other. Which as you have pointed out, is the kind of situation that Punisher is normally in. He does have more experience at this kind of combat than Deadshot. He had lots of experience in this before he ever became the Punisher. He is also shown to have a great tactical and strategic mind, which is why I give him the nod in the intelligence department.

On the other hand, how durable is Deadshot's armor? I can't remember reading much where he takes a hit. If it is as good as Rokk says, then this isn't much of a fight. If Frank's wepons can't really hurt Deadshot, why have them fight? Just declare Deadshot the winner.

[michiganj24]

Originally posted by Ignatz_Mouse
It's also worth noting that he doesn't often fight heroes.

In his recent miniseries, he fights Green Arrow. He shoots his drawstring. He clearly could have shot him in the head, a much larger target.

Deadshot plays by weird rules with heroes.

One is he going to really know hes a hero. You get teleported in and see a guy with guns and a skull on his chest and will think hes a good guy? Not likely.
Second the question of wheter he is really a good guy is debatable even by other marvel heroes
My vote Deadshot thats not just a name but a calling card.

[bonkers1978]

I vote for Deadshot because Deadshot have battle alot of different DC heroes and villains so he's much more prepared for anything then Punisher. Don't get me wrong the Punisher is no push over, but he only deals with F-list villains and street thugs. Punisher beaten Daredevil and Spider-Man who are not on the same league with Batman, GL, the Flash and other DC heavy hitters that Deadshot had faced.

[Maniac_nmt]

Originally posted by deadalus13
[BOn the other hand, how durable is Deadshot's armor? I can't remember reading much where he takes a hit. If it is as good as Rokk says, then this isn't much of a fight. If Frank's wepons can't really hurt Deadshot, why have them fight? Just declare Deadshot the winner. [/B]

Deadshot's own bullets went right through it like a hot knife through butter. Frank carries armor piercing rounds, and all manner of specialized ammuntion.

As such I don't see it as all that great a factor.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Deadshot's own bullets went right through it like a hot knife through butter. Frank carries armor piercing rounds, and all manner of specialized ammuntion.

As such I don't see it as all that great a factor.

Couple things to consider there:

*Deadshot's rounds went through a point in his armour that he specifically knew wasn't reinforced and at point-blank range. On other occasions he's taken shots and survived just fine (for that matter, he just survived being shot in the neck - that says either his skill is far beyond Frank's or his armour protected him pretty good there...neither one is good for Castle). I didn't say that Deadshot's armour makes him immune to damage - he was hurting after that Parademon salvo - just that it's not a one-shot kill on him.

*Frank's ammo is not "defaulted" to armour-piercing and the like. He does pack it - in his pouches - but it's not what's normally in his guns (at least according to the ballistic readouts he's always mumbling about or the OHOTMU's). That means he has to take time to switch to those other ammos. Deadshot's wrist magnums, on the other hand, can rotate different ammo into them at Deadshot's command. That's a speed and aiming advantage Frank can't match.

*Speaking of Deadshot's ammo, not only are there his wrist magnum rounds but he's also got all the standard "military rounds in every comic book" (i.e.: high-explosive, incendiary, armour-piercing, combos there-of, etc.) but also mini-grenades and a grappling launcher, among other things. Being able to insta-load a small rocket and fire it at Frank is a huge advantage beyond having to reach into a pouch and arm a grenade to throw.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Originally posted by michiganj24
One is he going to really know hes a hero. You get teleported in and see a guy with guns and a skull on his chest and will think hes a good guy? Not likely.
Second the question of wheter he is really a good guy is debatable even by other marvel heroes
My vote Deadshot thats not just a name but a calling card.

I agree-- I wasn't really thinking of the Punisher as a hero, and I'm sure Floyd wouldn't either.

[DTM]

Deadshot - 13 votes
Punisher - 7 votes


Ouch. Well, I do think many people here are selling Punisher short, thinking of him as a simply killer of mobsters and Deadshot being to Apocalypse (and really, what DC Character these days hasnt been) and fighter of the JLA. The Punisher has battled and come out alive and in one piece, Blackheart, Ulik, Dr. Doom, Kingpin, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, SpiderMan, Daredevil, and Captain America. Not saying Frank would routinely defeat any of them, but Im sure saying Deadshot wouldnt either.

If were saying Deadshots armor will protect him from anything the Punisher has, this isnt really a fight, and I dont believe this is true. Punisher also carries smoke and flash grenades, which he could use in second 1 of the match to stop Deadshot from simply shooting him second 1. The Punisher will outsmart and outwit Deadshot, he will find a way to get the Kill more than not. I also think he can take more shots than Deadshot, as his stronger will and determination (and vast experience at taking damage) will allow him to take damage that would drop Deadshot.

He is NOT just some mobster hunting hitman, he is a true force to be reckoned with, especially in such combat situations.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

DTM, if they started out a mile apart, out of sight of each other, I'd say it was much closer. I think it's purely a matter of speed, Deadshot's known to be extremely fast and accurate-- and the setup favors this over the Punisher's versatility.

[NotYou]

Originally posted by DTM
Punisher also carries smoke and flash grenades, which he could use in second 1 of the match to stop Deadshot from simply shooting him second 1. The Punisher will outsmart and outwit Deadshot, he will find a way to get the Kill more than not. I also think he can take more shots than Deadshot, as his stronger will and determination (and vast experience at taking damage) will allow him to take damage that would drop Deadshot.
They only start 100 feet apart...this is going to be really quick.
If he goes to drop a flash/smoke grenade, he'll be dead
before it hits the ground.
Punisher may have topped himself, but that doesn't mean
he'll be any better at taking a bullet through the head.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by DTM
I also think he can take more shots than Deadshot, as his stronger will and determination (and vast experience at taking damage) will allow him to take damage that would drop Deadshot.


I don't care how great of willpower you have, an AP magnum round through the eye - which is not an uncommon shot for Deadshot - will put you down.

On a side note, a lot of people aren't short-changing the Punisher's abilities, but they are saying he just isn't as deadly a shot as Lawton and in this battle it's very much a "one shot, one kill" situation.

[Q99]

If were saying Deadshots armor will protect him from anything the Punisher has, this isnt really a fight, and I dont believe this is true.

His armor will protect him long enough to get off a shot, basically. He'll be wounded if he gets hit instead of killed.

[deadalus13]

Here is my take on the encounter:

Deadshot and the Punisher are poofed into the arena 100 feet away from each other. Deadshot immediately raises his arms and starts firing. Punisher does the same, (Since they were poofed into combat, I am going to assume that they are both prepared, Punisher with a gun in each hand, Deadshot in his gear.) while taking evasive manuevers. Unfortunetely, at this range, evasive maneuvers don't help much. In the first 10 seconds both combatants take multiple hits and go down. Deadshot takes more hits because he is not as good at evading, but Punisher takes more damage since Deadshot switched to armor piercing rounds as he was raising his arms to fire. Deadshot's armor prevents a lot of damage to him, although the impact of the shots are enough to knock him over and knock the wind out of him. Meanwhile, Frank, bleeding from multiple hits to his torso and legs, refuses to give up. He throws two grenades as Deadshot is pulling himself off the ground. Even dazed and wounded, Deadshot manages to shoot the first before it reaches him, but the force of the explosion knocks him back down. The second, a white phosphorous grenade, hits. Heat strong enough to burn through the armor of a tank engulfs Deadshot. Frank watches his opponent blacken. A small smile reaches the corner of his mouth as his eyes glass over and death overtakes him.

[skyounkin]

Deadshot.....no remorse for collateral damage, plus he is used to taking on superbeings...he can handle the Punisher.

[Shaw]

I vote for punisher. not only cos hes just tougher then Deadshot. I admit he hasnt the range combat skills to match him, but hes no range fighter. IMO hes a mid or close combat expert, plus...... hes mean if he has to, considering his way of fighting. As soon as hes close enough, which he will be, nevermind what glasses Deadshot is wearin. And hes a former marine or something so hes got a lot of fighting experience, too. Given all that, i'd say he wins, but it wont be very easy for frank... :devious:

[The Red Baron]

Deadshot. Of all the villians in the dc universe who need to be taken more seriously its him. also he has a stronger will to fight and live for then frank. i say this because unlike frank deadshot has something to live for.

[Shaw]

So does Frank - it's revenge! :devious:

[Iscariot]

Deadshot is like a souped up version of the punisher. Punisher isn't bad by any strech of the imagination but deadshot is crazy good. As anyone who has read his miniseries would know. He's foughten tougher opponent's then the punisher. Like the closer who was bullet proof. He shot him in the groin with a flamer, shot him in the eyes and then the mouth and blew him into a building with a rocket. "How's that for soft? You stupid bastard." :devious:

[Iscariot]

ack... I thought bastard would be censored... I didn't mean too curse... I hope I don't get warning points.

oh yeah my vote was for Deadshot.

[nofx242]

Deadshot would win

Deadshot has more then just his wrist mounted guns, He has on a number of times used long range guns and others. He also has special ammo like explosive and armor piercing rounds. If you want to talk skill he has gone up against guys in full metal suits where he is on the run and able to hit them in the neck where there is a space in there suit.

[Perfectstorm]

The pop in. Frank fires a round from his closest side arm. Deadshot launches a rocket out of him wrist cannons. Both hit. Deadshot lives, becuase of his armor, Even if it does do incredible amounts of damage. Frank, even with hiskevlar is going to put put of of commsion.

Deadshot

[WeaverZebedee]

I'd vote, but I'm a hopeless deadshot fan, so I would be too biased. I'd say it's 75% to 25% chance of win, Deadshot's advantage.