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gladiator1518
03/31/2005, 08:56
Half hour of prep time for both sides. Who takes it?
Superman.
Since Reed can't make Kryptonite--he doesn't even know what it is--Superman takes this one fairly easily.
The FF with a weeks planning would give him a fight, but not after 30 minutes.
Fantastic Four, because when Richards has time to prepare a plan against someone, he can beat anyone (same Bats excuses lol).
Without knowing what Kryptonite is or what it can do, Reed won't come up with ANYTHING that will put Superman down.
Batman/Mr. Fantastic/Dr. Doom can't just come up with things they've never heard of.
Heck, even if he DID know what K is, I'd still put my money on Superman.
overseeker
03/31/2005, 09:17
I think that this would be a tough battle for both sides. The Fantastic Four work very well as a team, but in the end Superman would prevail. The best that they could do on such short notice is to slow him down for a little while. And then it's lights out, Gracie (x4).
Well....Rookie Supes can't even break down a wall!
I've noticed that lately (last 10-20 years) they made Supes a bit more 'vulnerable', magic now hurts him, etc. Doomsday 'killed' him and there was no Kryptonite or magic involved....so I'd say Kryptonite aside, Reed could scan his physiology, determine a weakness (radiation similar to Kryptonite), synthesize it and then they'd go to town.
Still, Clark is so fast it might not even matter.
Doomsday killed him because he was so physically powerful....and he had Kryptonian physiology that enable him to hurt Superman.
The FF would have no such luck. Their biggest hitter (Thing) would
a.) not be able to hit Superman. (Too slow and he can't fly)
b.) even if he COULD hit him, he probably can't hit him hard enough to make a difference.
Maniac_nmt
03/31/2005, 09:40
Given that Sue just isn't that vicious with her Forcefields, Superman.
Could the FF beat Clark? Yes. Will they? No, not without Reed having lots of time to prepare something (although he'd get it up and running faster then Batman/Doom, he still can't create something out of thin air in 30 minutes). Still, dollars to donuts Reed figures out what powers Clark just from watching him in the fight (I swear that man has a tricorder in his head). Sue could use her forcefields in some more creative ways (such as blocking blood flow, etc), but she never does this, and wouldn't do it.
Slade Wilson
03/31/2005, 09:51
its a tough one I mean the ff beat galactus! but supes beat imperiex! it as all comic fights could go either way.
Well ... Reed figured aout how Gladiators powers works pretty easily, and if Batman can come with things out of nowhere (yes, he does) why cant Reed? He would know that Supes is a solar battery very quickly since he always scans and analyses his enemies.
30 minutes? Superman. They don't have anything they can throw at him that can stop him.
Give them a week, or at least a day, and Reed may come up with something, but the FF can't hit as hard as Doomsday, have no magic (which is also, while useful, not an instant win), and no kryptonite. Supes' eye beams and freeze breath make him better at range than Johnny, he's physically well above the thing, and he has superspeed and supersenses to help him out to boot.
Superman. 30 minutes to come up with something to beat someone you know nothing about is just about useless.
Goblin_Avenger
03/31/2005, 12:52
I agree with everyone else, giving the FF 30 minutes without previously seeing superman is 'bout the same as no prep time. Given a day and some info on supes, I'd say The FF wins hands down, but as it is Superman wins.
If this is just like most of the battles with "prep time" and the FF are given the info on Supes here so they know what he can do, assuming they cannot use Kryptonite, I think they would be able to pull it off none the less.
If it came down to it and it was a fight with importance on the line, I am sure Reed would make sure Sue used her forcefields more effectively, and if she were to use her power at the best of her ability, it pretty much stops Supes right there. She is strong enough that she could block Supes' attacks for long enough for any form of suffocation or internal injury strategies to work, plus Supes won't drop Thing in one hit ( Thing isn't even really going to be a factor here except to maybe take 2-3 hits before going down...Things strong but Supes is a whole diff level. But to say Thing can't take at least a few full on hits isn't giving him any creit. ) Reed can definitely stay in it for a bit if fighting defensively, and I am fairly certain that when going Supernova, The Human Torch's attack would at least be felt by Superman pretty hard.
If all of the FF went all out, they would win, but if you take their typical fighting styles without prep, its less certain. Plus Reed has alot of tricky devices and even if he can't get Kryptonite he has enough at his disposal that can mess with him to further increase the odds.
Plus, on turn 7, Reed can recruit Kelvar Armor for free from the deck, and Supes has to stun him twice. FF for the win.
If all the FF went all out...?
If Superman went all out, what would happen then?
Here's a hint: None of the Fantastic Four would see it. ;)
I take it this battle is NOT on a shared universe?
If YES, Shared Universe, my vote goes to the FF.
If a few hours prep with some detail on Superman, my vote goes to the FF.
If only 30 minutes prep with the FF having no idea about Superman, as I think is how everyone above is voting, my vote goes to Superman.
St-Dumas
03/31/2005, 14:14
The F4 would take him. Reed ties him up, Thing beats his Kans-### down.
Kans-###, i'm priceless.
Ozymandas
03/31/2005, 14:20
FF
Reed creates a portable Negative Zone projector during 30 minutes prep & while the others are distracted. Then Reed banishes Supes to the Negative Zone!
Yes ... the deciding factor here is Reed - dont be mistaken.
I would compare this Supes vs Fantastic with Supes vs Bats ... Reed will have the same weight as Batman, with two differences: Batman knows Supes weakness while Reed doesnt but is a scientifics genius. I think that it balances the scales - in my opinion, with time for preparation Reed can pull out a win against almost everyone - the same way as Bruce, but with different methods.
I pretty much agree with DTM.
If this is a shared Universe or they have some kind of supply
of information then I believe the FF are capable of doing it.
Superman will start easy and work his way up to what he deems
the relevant level, and by that time Reed's plans will be taking
effect.
Without Kryptonite, a solar energy leech/red sun spotlight
springs most readily to mind.
Or he could switch Superman's powers with the Things.
Or any number of fiendishly clever things.
Without any knowledge they may as well have no prep time,
and things favour Suyperman.
Maniac_nmt
03/31/2005, 15:07
Originally posted by thugit
If all the FF went all out...?
If Superman went all out, what would happen then?
Here's a hint: None of the Fantastic Four would see it. ;)
Nah, all out vs all out, provided both sides know the battle is comming, Superman won't win. Sue starts the match with her field up at top form, and works him.
She's obscenely powerful, but doesn't act that way, or use the fields that way, or even think about them that way (except as empty threats).
Neither team/person would ever fight that way though (even against Doomsday Clark held back untill the absolute bitter end), and even an hour or day to devise somthing against a foe you know nothing about is useless, even for Reed. He's not going to slap a negative zone portal on Clark (given he has no knowledge of whether or not Superman is a hero/villian, etc. No knowledge of how powerful he'd have to build a device, etc) Reed isn't a killer, and won't use something that could potentially kill/seriously maim Superman when he has no idea who he is.
Yes, I agree that they wouldnt go all out because its no either FF or Supes style.
My first thought is that a lot of you aren't giving enough credit to what Reed has ON HAND. You keep talking about 1/2 hour not being enough to complete a Superman defeating device, but Reed HAS things that you wouldn't even think of just SITTING AROUND. When they fought Gladiator, he didn't BUILD that Mento-Projection helmet, he tweaked it in about five minutes. He may not be able to build a kryptonite projector from scratch in thirty minutes. However, given that he's had something so vague as a "Ray Neutralizer" on hand in his lab, he might have a "Radiation Projector" that's five minutes away from being advantageous armbands of some sort for the Fantastic Four, or Clark's worst nightmare: a red sun/green kryptonite hybrid projector.
At a comic level, I'd give this whole battle a 50/50. Thinking "outside the page," I believe Superman's greater value to his parent company would result in his victory.
The greatest amusement for me would result from Reed's limited knowledge about Superman (assuming separate universes) causing him to arrive at a kryptonite projector that projected red kryptonite radiation, resulting in humorous adventures of the FF attempting to contain some crazy too much caffeine / not enough sleep Superman ideas running around Manhattan.
Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson
With 30 minutes prep time, Reed could come up with (as suggested) something to zape Supes into the Negative Zone (or another dimension) or a way to lure him into Dr. Doom's time machine.
In a straight fight, Supes wins. With prep time, Reed comes up with a way of handling Supes by just making him go away.
pre-crisis Superman would wipe the floor with them, back then he had a bunch of other powers one was "super" smarts making more than a match for mr. Fantastic prep or no prep . But nowadays (after Byrne neutered him) everyones got a good shot.
In the recent issues Mr. Fantastic turned Galactus into a mere human- imagine what he can do to supes..
A.) Batman, with Kryptonite AND having thought of ways to do it, can't beat Superman. (I don't count Elseworlds)
B.) If Batman WITH Kryptonite and KNOWING HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST Superman can't do it, then there's no way Reed can. NONE.
He's smart, but that's not enough to take down perhaps the most powerful (non-cosmic) character in all of comics in a 1/2 hour of planning.
I realize that some people hate Superman and that it's fun to root for the underdog, but Superman could beat them handily.
Going all out, Sue wouldn't even have time to THINK. Superman would end it before it began.
Maniac_nmt
03/31/2005, 18:34
Originally posted by thugit
Going all out, Sue wouldn't even have time to THINK. Superman would end it before it began.
If they have 30 minutes to prepare, I don't know how Superman ends it before she can think. Her field would be up, and has contained a fully enraged Hulk to the point where he actually beat himself by raging so hard he turned back into banner by using up all the air.
Hey thugit, how did batman handled mid controled supes during Hush?
And what about Tower of Babel?
Originally posted by thugit
Going all out, Sue wouldn't even have time to THINK. Superman would end it before it began. I'm thinking entirely in character combat, here, and I'm guessing 0.500 for either side. Yes, a Mach 90 Superman could strafe them all before the FF has time to do much beyond saying "L...", but Superman never opens like that. He'll get to that point if it gets desperate, but at that point he'll already be the Super-Spider Monkey of Manhattan and the Thing will be trying to ply him off of the top of the Baxter Building with specially designed bananas.
Have a Great Day,
Gary E. Poisson
Originally posted by thugit
If Batman WITH Kryptonite and KNOWING HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST Superman can't do it, then there's no way Reed can. NONE.
Batman doesn't have powers, and there is only one of him.
If the Thing is wearing a Kryptyonite ring, one punch from
him will be a good deal less convenient than the same from Batman.
Now I'm not saying that that is what they'll do, but Reed is at
least as smart as Bruce, and the team of the Fantastic Four
simply have more options.
Just less info.
That is why the big difference for most people is whether it
is a shared world/info download.
PuffDarryl
03/31/2005, 22:02
Superman is tough, but Reed would win. As many have said, negative zoning, creative use of force fields, Thing and Torch to keep him on his toes.
Wouldn't Mr. Fantastic just wrap himself around Superman, blocking the sun, until he no longer had any solar energy left? Could Superman's eye beams cut through Reed's hide?
Originally posted by PANZER
Hey thugit, how did batman handled mid controled supes during Hush?
And what about Tower of Babel?
Let's see:
Hush: He almost had a street sweeper dropped on his head and admitted that if Clark weren't holding back, Batman would be dead.
Tower of Babel: Batman did NOTHING to Superman. Ra's did--and you'll note that while the Kryptonite was painful to Superman, Superman was still in fine fighting form.
Any others?
i'll agree with thugit that superman would win.
if supes went all out, even after a half hour of planning, the ff still wouldn't know what hit them.
and i'll disagree with thugit...
tower of babel: ra's al ghul's red kryptonite messed supes up pretty bad.
he was hardly in fine fighting form.
Given 30min prep time the FF will beat Superman pretty nicely. If they are being given 30min prep time then obviously they have to have some info on him otherwise WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY PREPING FOR?? Reed will easily come up with at least 5 different ways to take him down, he doesn't even need Kryptonite. Given prep time the FF will beat anyone.
Given 30min prep time the FF will beat Superman pretty nicely. If they are being given 30min prep time then obviously they have to have some info on him otherwise WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY PREPING FOR??
30 minutes prep doesn't mean they have any prior info. It means, 30 minutes ago, someone said, "you're fighting Superman. Here are his files, have fun" or something to that effect. They don't have anything previous prepared.
Wouldn't Mr. Fantastic just wrap himself around Superman, blocking the sun, until he no longer had any solar energy left? Could Superman's eye beams cut through Reed's hide?
Yep, easily.
He could also one-shot Johnny Storm and knock Thing away from the fight really fast.
Maniac_nmt
03/31/2005, 23:10
Originally posted by PuffDarryl
Superman is tough, but Reed would win. As many have said, negative zoning, creative use of force fields, Thing and Torch to keep him on his toes.
Wouldn't Mr. Fantastic just wrap himself around Superman, blocking the sun, until he no longer had any solar energy left? Could Superman's eye beams cut through Reed's hide?
Actually, my argument isn't that Sue would get that creative. It's rather the opposite.
Superman will win
a) Reed has no info on him, and not enough time to devise anything
b) Sue will not use her forcefields in a lethal manner
c) nothing shy of a Nova blast from Johny will really hurt him (although that would hurt, it wouldn't take him out by any stretch)
d) Thing won't be able to hit him that long before Clark puts him across the city (we've seen a torqued off Thor hit Thing a couple hundred/thousand feet straight up, right out of the Avengers Island base, sure he was okay, but he was out of the fight)
At normal operating levels, normal modus operandi, given the matches limits, the FF is screwed. Sure they're Marvel's first family, what about it? Reed won't send Clark to the Negative Zone knowing nothing about him. It could kill Clark for all Reed knows. If he did figure out something, who is to say it would be potent enough, or to potent (thus causing Reed to shut it down, before a fatality ensued). Sue won't use her forcefields to kill. She might (and I stress might) be able to hold Superman for a little while, but what stops a super-speed vibrate through the field, once he's contained, and realises he's running out of air? Unlike the Hulk, Clark has other options then just pounding. Yes, she could adapt, but by then it's to late, and he's free.
The Mad Titan
03/31/2005, 23:25
30 minutes is not long enough to prepare for superman when they know nothing about him
the F4 would loose and loose badly
Give F4 a day or half of day and some knowledge about what they are dealing with
They would win, but still not easily
I Am The Game
03/31/2005, 23:35
Guys, don't any of you read FF? When they're facing an unknown threat, the model is always the same:
1 - Big, bad guy reveals himself to the FF
2 - Big, bad guy beats the FF (snuff Johnny, take big haymaker from Ben and retailate with bigger haymaker, zap the other two)
3 - Big bad guy captures the FF
4 - the FF escape
5 - Reed devises an ingenious way to defeat big, bad guy
It's like wrestling, they put the other guy over so that it looks more impressive when they beat him!
Half an hour, no prior warning, Superman wins, 10 out of 10. Given time to study and coordinate his team, Reed could pick Superman apart, but that's not the situation here.
sinistersex
03/31/2005, 23:41
Originally posted by The Mad Titan
superman would loose and loose badly
i think it's "lose".
Originally posted by Q99
30 minutes prep doesn't mean they have any prior info. It means, 30 minutes ago, someone said, "you're fighting Superman. Here are his files, have fun" or something to that effect. They don't have anything previous prepared.
Your statement doesn't make any sense you're contradicting yourself. Do they have files on him 30min before or not? do they get 30min to prepare or not? You say they get the info 30min before and thats it and they dont have anything else prepared before hand. So whats the problem then? They get a file on him and they have 30min to get ready. Thats pretty much all they would need to take him down.
Quite honestly compared to some of the foes they do face hes not really anything special. He doesn't have the Power Cosmic and he doesn't eat planets or anything else really spectacular. Hes strong, fast and invulnerable but has one very big weakness and no its not Kryptonite its that he is a solar battery. Something Reed can easily figure out and exploit. Also, as someone else mentioned he could send him to the Negative Zone. Being sent there is not a death sentence and if they have gotten some info on him before hand they would know that he could survive there. I've seen Reed and Ben when he was in his human form survive in the negative Zone with no other protection on at all. So sending Mr. Invulnerable there wouldn't give Reed any pause.
Sure if it was just a slug fest between Supes and the FF then Superman would win but if Reed has time to prep then he will lose.
Originally posted by thugit
A.) Batman, with Kryptonite AND having thought of ways to do it, can't beat Superman. (I don't count Elseworlds)
B.) If Batman WITH Kryptonite and KNOWING HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST Superman can't do it, then there's no way Reed can. NONE.
He's smart, but that's not enough to take down perhaps the most powerful (non-cosmic) character in all of comics in a 1/2 hour of planning.
I realize that some people hate Superman and that it's fun to root for the underdog, but Superman could beat them handily.
Going all out, Sue wouldn't even have time to THINK. Superman would end it before it began.
Personally I think youre either underestimating Reed, or overestimating Batman.
Reed is SMARTER than Batman, not to mention more physically durable as well. Time to prepare or no, Id give Reed the win over Batman more than not, so saying if Batman cant defeat someone Reed isnt all that accurate to me.
Forgive me if this has been said already (Im not very bright you know), but wouldnt the FF and Superman have knowledge of one another as they had a Crossover book (battling them against Cyborg Superman and Galactus). Are we all completely discounting that they DO know about one another, and that book in general? (Hey, I didnt like it very much, especially Superman being more durable than Adamantium, but it is an exisiting comic featuring both combatants here and proof that they do know about one another)
shadowfox
04/01/2005, 02:29
Hey, if superman came in at his super speed and lay a hit on any of the FF, other than thing, he pretty much has got them KOed, if not killed. Supes can race with the Flash, FF would won't know what hit them.
swwwooosh....BAM BAM BAM
Things left wondering what happened, rest of the FF knocked unconsious.
Ok, say now no surprise attack. Supes at charging speed, hits a Human Torch, even if he sees it coming, good bye.
BAM....Human Torch KO for the count.
Invis girl, and MR. F, are still regular folk aside from their powers. So pretty much any super strength hit on them pretty much Knocks them the F... out :laugh:
Thing..well now he is super strength and invulnerable. So he's the only one that can put up an actual fight. Still, he is slow compared to Supes, he cant fly, and Strength and Invulnerablity are his only powers. Supes clearly beats thing on account he is just better powers wise.
Saying that either side has prep time it makes the match up unfair. And not head to head...toe to toe fight. If FF did devise a way to try to take down supes. They would have to get him by total surprise....pretty much jump him. Same goes for supes. If he knew about FF ahead of time, its a no brainer on who to take out first. Any of the three regulars, ie. sue, reed, johnny. He can just be flying high above in the clouds, see them and eye beem them, not necessarily KOing them but incapacitating them for the fight. Say no eye beam...and he just swoops down from the sky in charging fashion... as i said above BAM BAM BAM, any of those FF besides thing, KO for the count. DING DING DING....fights over!!!!
In the long run, lets make this a fair fight 4 on 4. FF vs Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, and Flash. Thier, Superman would atleats have backup. In almost any match were its 2 thru-any on 1 its going to be a hard match. So if thier was any chance that FF would win, then it would be because of its team. Thats why if you thru in an even number to fight, then Super's team would kick.
SpakSpang
04/01/2005, 03:17
If you are doing a 4 on 1 battle with FF and Superman, I think its only fair to have the battle with no prep time.
This would be a tough battle, but unfortunately Superman brings the goods. The question is how fast Superman takes out Invisible Woman. If he doesn't get her fast she can sufficate him to death. However, this shouldn't be a problem with X-Ray vision.
The Thing would put up quite a good fight against Superman, and so will the human torch. In the end though, neither of them have the speed or strength to beat Superman.
Now that leaves Mr. Fantastic that has either been fighting all this time, or hanging back inventing or planning. I don't see Mr Fantastic hurting Superman though, so my vote this battle is Clarks.
Thirty Minutes Prep the battle still goes to Superman. He gains the biggest advantage or realizing Invisible Woman is his biggest threat.
SaferSephiroth
04/01/2005, 08:04
The FF. Think Gladiator but weaker and slower.
Also, if he can see Invisible Woman with infrared, does that mean infrared vision would go right through the field?
skyounkin
04/01/2005, 08:22
Originally posted by SaferSephiroth
The FF. Think Gladiator but weaker and slower.
Also, if he can see Invisible Woman with infrared, does that mean infrared vision would go right through the field?
Think Gladiator but weaker and slower?.....
No, don't think so the only threat to Supes is Sue Storm and in the 10 secs it takes Superman to deal with the FF she could throw up a dozen or so force feilds, which might stop him....but you can't catch what you can see, too fast too powerful...
Thing? No, One punch by Superman and he is out
Torch?...Don't make me laugh, blast of Superbreath he is done...
Mr. Fantastic?....Oh yeah, he can STRETCH...BIG THREAT!! He may be invulnerable to Namor punches but please...Namor isn't close to Superman's power levels...
Sue Storm, she turns invisible, and yeah, Superman doesn't deal with invisible people like every other weak, again...PLEASE!!!
He claps his hands together BOOM!!! Her feilds don't stop sound.....she's out, she's is only human past the invisible tricks....
Not a chance in HELLL they have against him.
They might have a chance against Batman, but even then not a big chance!
But yeah I'm biased but that don't mean I'm not right.
:devious:
All the "Sue will cut off Superman's air supply" folks are forgetting a couple of key points:
Sue doesn't use that very often, if ever.
Superman can hold his breath for an unbelievably long time. He can fly in space without a breathing apparatus, so Sue would have to hold him like that for a day or so--do you really think Clark couldn't escape by then?
I'm not underestimating Reed--if he had a week, he'd come up with something to make it a good fight and POSSIBLY pull it off. Saying that in 30 minutes he would come up with something that Batman couldn't do in YEARS of knowing Superman is badly OVERestimating Reed.
Oh, and given a week to prepare, Batman would OWN the Fantastic Four, whether they had prep time or not. :cool:
skyounkin
04/01/2005, 08:33
Sue's feilds don't stop sound, they don't stop light...(d'uh) heat vision blast combined with a sonic clap, and she is blind and has a nice ruptured ear drum for her troubles......Mr. Fantastic can stretch but his limits are nothing to what Superman can overcome.....30 minute prep time? Enough time for the FF to make out their wills and pick buriel plots!!!
Torch and Thing don't even come into play here- sorry....
Maybe throwing Franklin in there might give them a chance but then again....NOT!!!
SaferSephiroth
04/01/2005, 08:38
If Franklin knew how to use his powers properly, then yeah. But no, he's not necessary.
Originally posted by JoeMB
In the long run, lets make this a fair fight 4 on 4. FF vs Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, and Flash. Thier, Superman would atleats have backup. In almost any match were its 2 thru-any on 1 its going to be a hard match. So if thier was any chance that FF would win, then it would be because of its team. Thats why if you thru in an even number to fight, then Super's team would kick.
Most people believe Superman alone could take the FF, and you want to give him Batman, WW and Flash to go along with him? :eek: :ermm:
Maniac_nmt
04/02/2005, 17:32
Originally posted by thugit
All the "Sue will cut off Superman's air supply" folks are forgetting a couple of key points:
Oh, and given a week to prepare, Batman would OWN the Fantastic Four, whether they had prep time or not. :cool:
It's okay, a lot of the Superman arguments involve him flying in at mach 9 with his hair on fire and vaporizing human beings like it was nothing.
At least Sue is more likely to get vicious when her family is threatened.
I'll take your bet on Batman 'owning' the FF with a week to prepare both sides. The Skrulls still haven't fully gotten the FF's number, with much greater resources, a virtually unlimited pool of man power, and technology far more advanced.
Superman flying in like that is just as likely as Sue strangling someone or Reed sending someone he doesn't know to the Negative Zone.
The Skrulls want to take over/rule/etc.
If Batman needed to take them out, he'd find a way to separate them and take them out one by one. That one's maybe more of a safe bet than Superman taking them out.
I Am The Game
04/03/2005, 00:13
Originally posted by skyounkin
Sue's feilds don't stop sound, they don't stop light...(d'uh) heat vision blast combined with a sonic clap, and she is blind and has a nice ruptured ear drum for her troubles......Mr. Fantastic can stretch but his limits are nothing to what Superman can overcome.....30 minute prep time? Enough time for the FF to make out their wills and pick buriel plots!!!
Torch and Thing don't even come into play here- sorry....
Maybe throwing Franklin in there might give them a chance but then again....NOT!!!
Where do I start? You've never read Fantastic Four, that much is apparent.
Sue Storm can contain Klaw, the master of sound with her force field. If you're going to argue about what Superman does to her force field, overwhelming her with physical force and giving her a splitting headache is your best bet. Telling us that a laser will pass through her shield is definitely not.
Dismissing Thing is very silly. He's taken hits from every cosmic being in the known universe and stood up to it. There's no way Ben wins one-on-one, but he'll get a few good shots in while Reed distracts Superman.
Franklin has psychic blocks that keep him from triggering his powers. If those blocks weren't there, Franklin would be wielding terrible psionic and reality-warping powers. Separated from his physical body when Reed, Sue and Franklin were trapped in hell, Franklin shattered Mephisto. With the help of Xavier, Franklin saved the heroes from Onslaught by creating a pocket universe. However, unless Superman starts hacking at Sue with a meat cleaver, there isn't enough trauma for Franklin to tear down those blocks and unleash his power... yet!
All this to say that I agree with the outcome most of you are predicting, and Superman wins the first fight. However, if you don't know your facts, better to let someone else do the talking.
Dr Mid-Knight
04/03/2005, 00:18
Originally posted by thugit
All the "Sue will cut off Superman's air supply" folks are forgetting a couple of key points:
Sue doesn't use that very often, if ever.
Superman can hold his breath for an unbelievably long time. He can fly in space without a breathing apparatus, so Sue would have to hold him like that for a day or so--do you really think Clark couldn't escape by then?
I'm not underestimating Reed--if he had a week, he'd come up with something to make it a good fight and POSSIBLY pull it off. Saying that in 30 minutes he would come up with something that Batman couldn't do in YEARS of knowing Superman is badly OVERestimating Reed.
Oh, and given a week to prepare, Batman would OWN the Fantastic Four, whether they had prep time or not. :cool:
Put down the joint Thugit. Reed VS. Batman would be no contest in Reed's favor with a week prep time, but with the rest of the FF backing him up... please. Your Batman fanboyism has gone too far this time.
Iscariot
04/03/2005, 01:51
didn't wolverine beat the fantastic four? So much for fantastic...:ermm: besides this isn't really close to fair. Why don't we have Sentry vs. the doom patrol. :cheeky:
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