STAR WARS TOC nomination Thread

[The Red Baron]

Boba Fett VS Han Solo
Mara Jada VS Darth Maul
Vader VS Yoda
Yes it is time for an all STAR WARS TOC to see who is the best Jedi/Bounty Hunter/Soldier/Smuggler/Wookie/anything of all times! Like most tocs here it will follow the lw/mw/hw/shw format but instead of having 32 combantants we will have 16 (due to the one universe). Nominate one for each catagorie and soon the battles will conmense. I Hope everybody here enjoys this an hope it goes better than my last try.

Here is the list so far.
LW
Thrawn

MW
Boba Fett

HW
Mara Jade

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)

[DTM]

LW
Han Solo

MW
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)

HW
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)

SHW
Yoda

[DTM]

The SHW level might be lacking a bit, so you might want to push former HW characters such as Mace, Vader and the like to SHW level here.

[The Red Baron]

I'll see since we are using the entire universe (movies novels and comics) I dont know if that will become a problem.

[DTM]

If youre going a FULL TOC, 32 characters, you might have trouble filling any Weight Class, let alone the very select SHW level. Worse comes to worse, if you dont have enough, you could do a Mini TOC (16 combatants per class) I was going to do a Mini Disney Movie TOC, and have the characters all set, though I think Ill leave that for someone else who may be interested. (PM me if anyone is and Ill send over the Character Listing)

[The Red Baron]

DTM read the top again I am doing a mini toc

[DTM]

Ah, but I see youre already having a 16 character TOC, so you should be fine. :)

[MSU]

Well, I would add Chewie with a cross bow in the LW division

MW - this is the hard one...are there any MWs in the SW universe? Qui Gon?

HW - Obi Won (New Hope), Darth Maul

SHW - the Emperor (and he can use a freaking lightsaber!!!)

[Zaq]

LW: Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
MW: IG-88
HW: Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
SHW: Exar Kun

[FaithlessOne]

LW: Greedo
MW: Rukh
HW: Jacen Solo
SHW: Warmaster Tsavong Lah

[The Red Baron]

Here is the list so far.
LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo


MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh


HW
Mara Jade
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")



SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah

[The Red Baron]

Rando if you are looking for a middle wieght the guy from BLOOD EMPIRE?? the one comic about the ex-imperial guard. anyone know who he is.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Eh, spoilers be darned...the character's just too cool (and, yes, I know he's "new trilogy" but for once he's still cool :) ) for me to ignore.

I'd like to nominate General Grievous for the HW category.

[DTM]

Are we really going to have enough characters for the SHW level if we dont bump characters like Mace, Dooku, Vader and even Grevious up a notch to that level? I cant think of any others at all, maybe Jedi Master C'Both (sp??) from the Timothy Zahn trilogy, but thats about it.

[bladesword]

lw wicket the ewok

mw bosk

hw kyp durron

shw Exar Kun

[bladesword]

change exar kun to darth sidiouse

[DTM]

Isnt Darth Sidious the same as the Emperor, essentially?

(Geeze, hope I didnt spoil that for anyone. :) )

[bladesword]

not that they have stated yet and i coulnd think of any one else

[Rando]

Originally posted by DTM
Are we really going to have enough characters for the SHW level if we dont bump characters like Mace, Dooku, Vader and even Grevious up a notch to that level? I cant think of any others at all, maybe Jedi Master C'Both (sp??) from the Timothy Zahn trilogy, but thats about it.

Well if you really want you could use vehicles to fill out the SHW, especially unique ones. Like Han piolting the Millenium Falcon or Bobba Fett in Slave 1 (for example).

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by DTM
Isnt Darth Sidious the same as the Emperor, essentially?

(Geeze, hope I didnt spoil that for anyone. :) )

Oh, yeah, a huuuuge surprise. Curse you DTM. :)

*hides his copy of the comic-i-zation of Episode III and the fact that he's probably picking up the novelization tomorrow :) *

[DTM]

Vehicles are interesting, but Im not sure Id vote Darth Sidious or Yoda over the Millenium Falcon with Han or against Slave 1 with Fett.

[bladesword]

ok then

shw mara jade in the jades falcon

[Ghost Ripper]

SHW-Darth Revan from KOTR
SHW-Mace Windu
SHW-Count Dokoo
SHW-Obi-Wan-Kenobi-Prequals
SHW-Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
SHW-Darth Insidious/Senator Palpitine
SHW-Yoda

HW-General Grevious
HW-Darth Maul
HW-Darth Malak from KOTR
MW-Bastilia KOTR
MW-Jolee Bindo - KOTR
MW-Juhani - KOTR

LW-Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
LW-Carth Onasi KOTR
LW-Canderous Ordo KOTR


All I can drum up right now!

[The Red Baron]

greivouis is a shw he is shown taking on several jedi in clone wars several like 6 at a time

[Rokk_Krinn]

Okay, then Grievous is a SHW. I'm cool with that (I wasn't sure if we were using the Clone War versions being they're vastly powered-up compared to the movie/novel/comic portrayls.) Just means he gets to claim Palpatine's lightsaber when he's done ganking the guy. ;)

Note though that if you're using "Clone War" versions most every Jedi is HW at a minimum and the Big Name Jedis are likely SHW. Look at Mace's "episode" when he single-handedly demolishes about a few thousands droids and a honkin' huge "battle-field destroyer" machine.

[The Red Baron]

well i will take that into consideration but sense all we have seen of grevious is the cartoons thats all i have to draw on.
some one nominated wicket, yea um if you dont nom some one else i will go ahead and put in kir kanos form crimson empire. Ghost ripper right now i am looking for one person pre wieghtclass so i will choose the first one from the list.

Here is the list so far.
LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)


MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR


HW
Mara Jade
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul



SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious


Thats 7/lw/hw/shw and 6 mw Rando we still need one from you. I give this to Monday and let people nom again

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by The Red Baron
well i will take that into consideration but sense all we have seen of grevious is the cartoons thats all i have to draw on.

He's also been in assorted comics (inc. his own mini-series) and novels ("Labyrinth of Evil", as well as the RotS novelization that came out today). Check 'em out when you get a chance - lots of fun. :)

As for a LW, I'd like to suggest Darman, one of the Clone Commandos from the "Republic Commando" novel.

[thedon99]

SHW: Yaddle-she qualifies as she is the only Jedi Master alive to have mastered the forbidden art of morichro-where you slow down your target's vital signs, to either incapacitate or kill your victim. That's some bad ####.

or

Plo Koon-Killed Darth Sidious' apprentice Darth Rage. Darth Rage was the entire inspiration for General Grievous, I'd say Plo Koon is worthy. He's also number 8 on the most powerful Jedi Masters of all time list.

or

Gethzerion-she is bad ###. From the novel Courtship of Princess Leia. They never say she is a Sith so i assumed she's a Dark Jedi. She was the leader of the Nightsisters, and she ####ed Luke up bad. In fact, she basically kills him. She also has Han suspended in mid air and begins to break his bones one by one. She's definitely worthy of SHW material.

HW-Adi Gallia-one of my favorite Jedi, she is on the Council, so she could even considered for SHW.

MW-I honestly think Chewie is MW. He and any Noghri are pretty much equal. I agree Rukh is MW, but so is Chewie.
Another bad ### Noghri was Kharabakkh, not sure if spelling is correct. Probaly not.

LW-Talon Karrde-Self explanatory-the man is pimp. As smart as han Solo, and a better leader. Not saying he's as good as Solo, Han always figures out a way to win, the ultimate outwit piece if you will, but Karrde is bad ###.

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Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[thedon99]

Also to note, whoever said Grievous can take Sidious is sadly mistaken-not even close. Dooku trains Grievous and in one episode of Clone Wars he easily disarms him. So, he can't even take Dooku. Sidious would destroy him with ease. The Jedi Grievous kills are bad ###, but they are not the most powerful of the Order by any means.

Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler!


Also Obi-Wan from ROTS must be SHW. He ####s Anakin up, and kills Grievous. He must be SHW material. Mace Windu definitely is, so is Darth Vader. He's more powerful than Exar Kuhn, the only Sith better than him is Darth Sidious. I'd honestly say any Council member is SHW material, except Anakin, but he's not even a Master.
Some of the Jedi on this Council are some of the most powerful Jedi ever, including Yoda, Yaddle, Plo Koon, Mace, Ki-Adi Mundi, Obi-Wan, Evan Piell, etc. Dooku is easily SHW material as well.
The Acklay would also be a good heavyweight, totally cool creature.


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Darth Sidious of the Star Wars Clan
Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[FaithlessOne]

How about a Rancor for the HW Class :D

[The Red Baron]

Okay so I will live this up to you guys is Chewie a MW and is Grevious a HW or a SHW. And the Don99 who exactly is your middle wieght?

[The Red Baron]

Anyone opposed to a rancor though could it be a mw?
LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR


HW
Mara Jade
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia


SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon

[DTM]

Hey what about Guri as a HW, Prince Zixors bodyguard......and for that matter, Prince Zixor himself would make another good HW. Both are from Shadow of the Empire, a very popular SW novel.

[thedon99]

I wanted Chewie to be my middleweight, if you'll change him to that level. If not, let's go with Niles Ferrier's Defel from the Timothy Zahn novels. Defel (Wraiths) are pimp.

If you need filler for classes, especially the SHW, Yaddle is a necessity. So are Vader, Mace, and others. If Grievous is a SHW, which I can accept, then Mace Windu sure the #### is!

Guri would be a good heavyweight. She's definitely in that class, as she does some carazy #### in that book.

If Adi Gallia is HW, I think she might clean up everybody, which is fantastic with me.
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Darth Sidious of the Star Wars Clan
Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[The Red Baron]

Isnt Prince Zixors more of a middle wieght DTM?

LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR


HW
Mara Jade
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon


We are about half way there if you want to nom again feel free.

[FaithlessOne]

LW: Super Battle Droid
MW: Destroyer Droid
HW: Durge
SHW: AT AT

:D

[St. Cuthbert]

OK, here are my guys. I hope I'm doing this to the Red Baron's specifications.

LW: Page
MW: Dengar
HW: Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
SHW: I got nothing.

[The Red Baron]

LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR
Dengar
Destroyer Droid


HW
Mara Jade
Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor


SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
AT AT
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu

Okay thats 10 LW 8 MW 13 HW and 12 SHW

[MSU]

Has anyone noticed that Vader isn't on the list???? Would he be a HW or a SHW?

[The Red Baron]

Vader is the same as Anakin from ROTS in power right? having two would be redundent. Oh an in honor of the don99
Does anyone want to help with terrians? or random numbers?


SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
AT AT
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

Thats 16 shw

[Rokk_Krinn]

Vader is more experienced and has further training in the ways of the Sith. He's far more powerful than Anakin:RotS.

Btw, my nomination for LW (Darman) isn't on the list.

I'd also suggest moving Grievous back to HW to "even up" the numbers a bit. He can take on HW Jedi just fine but he's not in the same league as Palpatine, Yoda, other Sith Lords, etc. (admittedly based on Mace Windu's comments, Grievous can take most SHW Jedi okay too, but something tells me that's not allowable in this tourney).

[MSU]

Vader is immensely more powerful than ROTS in power...and we don't really know what Anakin can do from ROTS since we haven't seen the movie.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by MSU
Vader is immensely more powerful than ROTS in power...and we don't really know what Anakin can do from ROTS since we haven't seen the movie.

Unless you're one of us geeks that runs out to buy every adaptation they can find. :)

Funny thing is, I normally avoid spoilers but for some reason I just couldn't resist this time....

[thedon99]

Actually, by the end of ROTS Anakin is Vader, and his power is apparent. I'd say they are pretty much the same. In fact, before getting the armor an argument can be made he is a far lightsaber duelist, as he isn't slowed down by his injuries.
As for Force powers, he does something we've never seen yet, so in my opinion, Anakin at the ROTS is SHW potential, he does beat Dooku. If anything, put Yaddle HW, and put Anakin SHW. But, it's up to you, it's your tournament. I just see Anakin decimating anyone in the HW category, even Adi Gallia.:(

That SHW list is quite nice. We'll fnd out a little bit about Darth Plagueis in the next movie, but I'll be more than happy to provide info for any Jedi or Sith anyone has questions about.
I personally would vote Grievous over a few SHW, he is a Dark Jedi. He's just not Sith. His midichlorian count is higher than Qui-Gonn Jinn, so people shouldn't have a problem voting him at that level.


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Darth Sidious of the Star Wars Clan
Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[Rando]

Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Unless you're one of us geeks that runs out to buy every adaptation they can find. :)

Funny thing is, I normally avoid spoilers but for some reason I just couldn't resist this time....

It's because they aren't really spoilers. You already know pretty much everything that's gonna happen, the only thing going on in the new star wars movies is a special effects show, the story has already been told.

[thedon99]

Good, so can we use instances from the new movie since everyone knows what's going to happen? I hope so, cause I got plans for Darth Sidious in this tournament.:grin:


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Darth Sidious of the Star Wars Clan
Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[Rando]

by the time the SHW division is actually happening the new movie will probably be out already anyway.

[The Red Baron]

Actually I just drop the ATAT from the shw cause I think it wont work with some well most of the terrians.

Which I need some one who will help me randomize numbers and someone who can tell be how to bold letters.

LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR
Dengar
Destroyer Droid


HW
Mara Jade
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
Anakin/Vader (ROTS)
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

[supergoblin]

lw random gamoran(sp?)(Pig guys)(realy dumb pigguys)(this engough admendments yet?)(just one more.)
hw the duellightsaber wielding dark jedi from jedi knight

[Poring]

*The following post is just for fun, ignore this if you dont need a good laugh*

SHW- JarJar Binks (Oh come on i know you all hate him! give him his slingshot and a few Booma balls and he could mess up a lot of droids, not to mention his dumb luck will prevent him from death.)

HW- OOM-9 (He would be hilarious! I think im the only one on the realms who plays SW: Galactic Battlegrounds and OOM-9 is the bomb! Seriously though the is a Trade federation battle droid general who is the very best among all the battle droids, so he would make a decent MW)

MW- R2D2 (He cant die, he has an electric taser, rocket boosters, and all sorts of gadgets, he is batman!)

LW- C3PO (He can bore the other LW to death with his constant jabbering)

Now that I got that out of my system, here are my serious nominations:

LW- Captain Typho
MW- Jango Fett
HW- Sev'Rance Tann
SHW- Kit Fisto

[The Red Baron]

Would Fisto be more of a hw poring

LW
Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid
Captain Typho


MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR
Dengar
Destroyer Droid
OOM-9
Jango Fett



HW
Mara Jade
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor
Sev'Rance Tann


SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
Anakin/Vader (ROTS)
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

[shadow_cat55]

I got a sweet idea. How about a squadron of three Stormtroopers? They would be easy kills, but they could outnumber you. So my nomination...

LW: Stormtrooper X3

[The Red Baron]

no but I will make 5 of them middle wieghts if we need it.

[The Red Baron]

Okau that takes care of the HW and SHW we still need 3 LW and 6 MW
LW
Grand Amdiral Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid
Captain Typho
Lando Calrissian

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR
Dengar
Destroyer Droid
OOM-9
Jango Fett



HW
Mara Jade
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor
Sev'Rance Tann
Kit Fisto
Yendar Platis
Princess Leia Organa Sole

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
Anakin/Vader (ROTS)
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

[thedon99]

Nice call on Yendar Platis Red Baron. He's bad ###.
Kit Fisto is the 15th best Jedi on the list, but we know how easily he gets handled by Darth Sidious, so HW is best for him.
I don't think I have a MW on thiat list, so how about Visas from KOTR II? Obi-Wan needs some Jedi competition. The blind chick rocks.


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Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[bladesword]

since you can't seem to include my nomination of wicket the ewok into the lw how about zuckas

mw

4-lom
lowbacca(from young jedi series)
tenel ka (yjs)

[The Red Baron]

Isnt visas a little to powerful for the MW? Does anyone know the guy Boba Fett fought in his own comic seris some huge guy who wouldnt die?
LW
Grand Amdiral Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Greedo
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Clone 2224 (aka Cody)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid
Captain Typho
Lando Calrissian


MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
IG-88
Rukh
bosk
Bastilia KOTR
Dengar
Destroyer Droid
OOM-9
Jango Fett
4-lom
tenel ka
Jedi Killer (ROTS)


HW
Mara Jade
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor
Sev'Rance Tann
Kit Fisto
Yendar Platis
Princess Leia Organa Sole

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
Anakin/Vader (ROTS)
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

[thedon99]

Visas isn't much better than Bastila. I just want Obi-Wan to have some Jedi competition. He outclasses all of the other characters, he does kill Darth Maul in this level of his training.
So, he's much better than everyone save for Bastilla and the Fetts. I don't think the Fetts can beat him, but it's closer than the other weak ### bounty hunters and droids on the list. I think the MW division is a little uneven, all of the others are perfect.
Did you like that link with all of the info? Did you read the history of the Jedi and Sith?

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Ego of the Power Cosmic Clan
She-Hulk of the New Avengers Clan
Martian Manhunter of the JLA Clan

[Rokk_Krinn]

SPOILERS for RotS....




Mace Windu comments to Obi-Wan that because his "lightsaber form" is "formless" that he is potentially the Jedi most capable - and he is successful at it - defeating Grievous when Grievous is in full battle mode (as in those cases, Grievous instantly "learns" any moves he sees a'la Taskmaster - he has all known lightsaber forms mastered by the middle of RotS). It's also commented that Obi-Wan is the Jedi most in tune with the Force, next to Yoda. There are parts in RotS where Obi-Wan basically controls the whole scene because he's so in tune with the Force that he's essentially connected to _everything_ around him (inc. the enemies). My reason for babbling about all this? To point out that Kenobi is potentially the second greatest Jedi Master of all time (after Yoda). Even his Phantom Menace version is not MW material.

Oh, and y'know, I think Rando has a good point. We already know the fates of the characters and the basic story...we're just waiting to see how cool it looks. I guess that is why the spoilers don't bother me as much now.

[thedon99]

Actually, Luke Skywalker after Return of the Jedi becomes the most powerful Jedi ever. Now, a lot of fans hate to admit this, but after reading a lot of the books, and consulting other info, I believe that's true. He's nowhere near my favorite Jedi, but credit must be given where credit is due.

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Rokk, Obi-Wan is the man, but better than Mace or Yoda, I don't think so. I do see your point, and he does #### up Anakin/Vader, along with killing Grievous. However, it must be noted that he does NOT defeat Grievous by lightsaber dueling, but rather by using Grievous' own blaster. Also, he gets annhilated by Dooku once again, literally knocked the #### out. Which is how Anakin duels and kills Dooku on his own. So, I wouldn't say he's better than Yoda, Mace, or Darth Sidious. Or Dooku for that matter.
Now, one thing Obi-Wan excels in is his luck in the Force. To my knowledge his connection to the Force is second to none, like you said. That is why he was able to beat Darth Maul, along with getting angry, and Darth Maul being far too overconfident. He's definitely top five, and maybe by the end of ROTS top three. I just won't put him over Luke or Yoda.
I've said TPM Obi-Wan outclasses everyone in his MW division, which is why I was trying to nomnate someone like Visas. He's HW material.

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[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by thedon99
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Rokk, Obi-Wan is the man, but better than Mace or Yoda, I don't think so.

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Well, when I say "better" I'm talking about more than just lightsaber dueling, as I do feel Obi-Wan is better than Mace with the Force (which, IMHO, makes Kenobi the better all-around Jedi). Don't think I ever put him above Yoda though (just that he had a better chance of defeating Grievous because he was "formless" while it's stated that by RotS Grievous has mastered Yoda's dueling form). However if we're talking pure-out lightsaber dueling, Mace Windu is a beast. Without giving away too much - I feel a bit guilty even saying as much as we have this thread :) - you know why I think Mace and his Vaapid fighting style might just be the best lightsaber fighter (even if he's not as elegant as Dooku) in existence. If only that friggin' Anakin had more self-composure... :)

[The Red Baron]

TPM Obi-wan hardly outclasses most of the mw, in the comics and books both fetts have taken on sevrly jedi heck Boba Fett in Enemy of the Empire actually bests Darth Vader. and TPM Obi-wan only beat Darth Maul because he got cocky and Obi-wan pulled of a fluke of a move. Plus things like destroyer droids and jedi killers will present a big threat in that level.

[The Red Baron]

anyone else think that Kir Kanos is to much for the lw? And does anyone think that Arrua Sing is a good Lw or MW

[The Red Baron]

anyone

[thedon99]

Aurra Sing would be a good MW. It's your tournament, Obi-Wan goes where you want him too. Everyone has different opinions.
As for Boba Fett beating Darth Vader, that is ridiculous, and I don't even acknowledge that, it's a book. That would never really happen. Although, I did say both of the Fetss are Obi-Wan's strongest competition, along with Bastilla and Aurra Sing, if you decide to put her in.
By the end of ROTS, after he beats Anakin, I'd say Obi-Wan is probaly better than Mace Windu. But, when he gets his ### handed to him again, by Dooku, and then Anakin dispatches Dooku with ease, it makes me wonder. On the other hand, Obi-Wan does annhilate Anakin. Go figure.
I'd say that Obi-Wan's lightsaber dueling is just like you said, formless. I don't know if he's better than Mace, Yoda, Darth Sidious, or General Grievous for that matter in that department. He doesn't beat Grievous straight up lightsaber dueling. Honestly, Anakin is probaly better than Obi-Wan, Lucas even says that Anakin/Vader is better than Yoda, as Yoda is past his prime. I don't really agree with the Yoda part, but I think Obi-Wan beats him due to his luck in the Force and by exploiting Anakin's weakness, anger.


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[thedon99]

I said all that about the Darth Maul/Obi-Wan duel, he got lucky, but then again, Obi-Wan always gets lucky. It's his forte. Darth Maul lost that duel himself, but Obi-Wan took care of business, that can't be denied. His own Master couldn't do it, regardless of the circumstances. Bossk vs. Obi-Wan just doesn't seem like a fair fight, for example.


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[DTM]

Any chance of moving Boba Fett into the HWs, as seeing the lists unfold he fits much better there, overall, than in the MWs.

[thedon99]

We need some competition for Obi_wan though, and Boba Fett is a good fit there. Although, Boba Fett is bad ###, I don't see him taking Kit Fisto, Adi Gallia, etc.
Warmaster got killed by Jaina Solo. She's nowhere near SHW, so what exactly can he do that warrants him to be in that category?


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[DTM]

In his own stories he has done well agains Darth Vader himself, who is a SHW here. Initially when Vader was a HW, MW level was fine for Fett, but now that such characters have been moved up to SHW level, Fett should be moved to the HWs as well. Remember, the Kenobi in the MWs is TPM version, and I definately think Fett could handle him at that stage, especially if his exact clone was a near match for a much more powerful form of Kenobi.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Originally posted by thedon99
But, when he gets his ### handed to him again, by Dooku, and then Anakin dispatches Dooku with ease, it makes me wonder. On the other hand, Obi-Wan does annhilate Anakin. Go figure.


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Obi-Wan doesn't exactly get schooled by Dooku. Him and Anakin are tearing through Dooku - Anakin's strength and Kenobi's defense/tactical skills are making Dooku run for his life - until the Count decides to activate a bunch of Super-Battle Droids. While Obi-Wan is busy taking care of them, Dooku ambushes and defeats Kenobi. Not exactly winning via a "lightsaber" duel. :)

[FaithlessOne]

Originally posted by thedon99
We need some competition for Obi_wan though, and Boba Fett is a good fit there. Although, Boba Fett is bad ###, I don't see him taking Kit Fisto, Adi Gallia, etc.
Warmaster got killed by Jaina Solo. She's nowhere near SHW, so what exactly can he do that warrants him to be in that category?


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Well, In this tournament... No one knows what the hell a Yuuzhon Vong is... yet alone the fact that they are immune to the force and resistant to lightsabers... He is definately a big threat in the SHW devision.

[The Red Baron]

Fett is staying were he is but the way the mw are shaping up I dont even know if I should put them in a bractet maybe a mw/lw deal if that is better.

[The Red Baron]

Due to the fact that so many of the so called mw wouldnt stand up to a vast majority of the lw. I have decided to chop off certin members of the lw and mw to make them both equal eight so here are the final lists. There is about a little while before the toc starts so if this is a big deal I will go back to making the list 16.

Star Wars TOC Fighter List

LW
Grand Amdiral Thrawn
Han Solo
Chewie
Kyle Katarn (no Jedi Powers)
Kir Kanos (Crimson Empire)
Talon Karrde
Page
Super Battle Droid

MW
Boba Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
Bastilia KOTR
Tenel Ka
Jedi Killer (ROTS)
Aurra Sing
Jango Fett
Visas

HW
Mara Jade
Jacen Solo
Obi Won (New Hope)
Corran Horn (from "I, Jedi")
kyp durron
Darth Maul
Adi Gallia
Guri
Kyle Katarn (end of Jedi Outcast)
Durge
Prince Zixor
Rancor
Sev'Rance Tann
Kit Fisto
Yendar Platis
Princess Leia Organa Sole

SHW
Luke SkyWalker (Jedi Master Version)
Yoda
Emperor
Exar Kun
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Darth Revan from KOTR
General Grevious
Plo Koon
Anakin/Vader (ROTS)
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Gethzerion
Mace Windu
Darth Plagueis
Count Dooku
Kaja Sinis
Yaddle

[The Red Baron]

I've pmed the don99 for some numbers but if anyone feels free to claim the tittle of The Red Barons version of Grinner and randomize some numbers for me feel free heres what I need.
Four Pairs and one number thru six example
1/3/6= person 1 figts person 3 on terrian six.

Feel free to pm me or post it here.

[The Red Baron]

So does anyone out there want to help with the numbers

[thedon99]

I pmed you Red Baron. I got you on the numbers.

The Warmaster gets stabbed in the throat and dies, by Jaina Solo and her lightsaber. Obviously he's not resistant enough. She's not a SHW, so is he? I wasn't saying he didn't belong, i was wanting more info about him. I only know so much about him.

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[The Red Baron]

Well here is a bio it doesnt tell alot about his fighting but he sure sounds like a shw.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/tsavonglah/eu.html

If you guys feel he needs to be replaced give be someone else and i will do it.

[The Red Baron]

Jorus C'baoth could replace him no?

[The Red Baron]

Okay last chance to voice your thoughts because by the end of the day the first match should be up.

[thedon99]

I'd say do you want, Jorus would also fit. Whoever nominated him should be the one to give us info about him.



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[The Red Baron]

Well I all know about war master is from the star wars bio and he shoulds hard core with all of the bio flesh graphing on body thing going on. But we have a ways to go before we need to change the shw.

[thedon99]

Very true. Sent you the LW matchups. Satisfactory? I think it looks quite good myself.


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[FaithlessOne]

Yuuzhan Vong technology is bizarre and perverse, though it is nonetheless effective. The aliens grow their technology organically. All their devices are bioengineered lifeforms, grown and shaped to fit their needs. The Yuuzhan Vong view inorganic technology -- machinery, devices and especially droids -- as an abomination and affront to their gods.


Among the devices used by the Yuuzhan Vong are amphistaffs, serpentine whips which can harden into rock-hard staves, or flatten to razor-sharp edges. Also used in combat are thudbugs, small thrown insects that detonate on impact. The Yuuzhan Vong wear vonduun crab armor, a living carapace that protects a warrior in combat that can even temporarily withstand blaster strikes and lightsaber blows. As the war against the Republic and the Jedi escalated, the Yuuzhan Vong began engineering new weaponry specific to their hated foes: such as the vicious voxyn creature that can relentlessly hunt down Jedi Knights.

Luke Skywalker's order of Jedi Knights have clashed with the Yuuzhan Vong time and again. Inexplicably, the Yuuzhan Vong are not part of the Force. Their presences do not register in the ubiquitous energy field, and they are immune to Force attacks. Furthermore, the Yuuzhan Vong refuse to acknowledge its existence, attributing Jedi feats to some perverse mechanism embraced by the Jedi infidels.

[thedon99]

Okay, he sounds good. My question is how was Jaina Solo, low tier HW, is able to stab him in the throat with her lightsaber and kill him? Her combat skills are nowhere near most of the SHW, so was her victory, luck, or what?

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[FaithlessOne]

It was the writer of the story. You must remember that it's all about how it's written, how the story plays out... They had a long, arduous battle full of hatred and rage. The author decided it was going to be Jaina to kill him... when it shouldve been Luke.

[thedon99]

I know it depends on the writer, but can he actually hang with Darth Sidious, Vader, Yoda, Count Dooku, General Grievous, and the likes? Your bio of him was quite good, but Jaina would get annhilated by any of those guys in seconds. If you think he belongs, then he does. Your nomination should stand. Just wanted a little more info than the Star Wars databank.

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[thedon99]

See, Kit Fisto is on the HW list, and he is far superior to Jaina Solo. Do you think Warmaster could take Kit Fisto? That's a good gauge to tell if he is on par.

[FaithlessOne]

Several -lower- tier warriors from the Vong have killed Jedi, the warmaster is in that position because he is great warrior, top of his class you would say.

Could he hang with some of the SHW... yes. Would it be a toss up, depending on how it's written? Yes.

However, since he is such an obscure character to most people, including star wars fans who refuse to touch NJO...

C'boath is a worthy replacement.

[thedon99]

I say keep him him on, you feel he's worthy, so #### it, it should be up to you.