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THE FINAL TV CARTOON TOC, THE MIXED TEAM TOC (Made randomly from characters of all 4 Weight Divisions), BEGINS HERE!
With pretty much the same rules as with all of my TOCs, except this time:
The terrain has been enlarged to 40 miles wide, as always, protected by a force field of the strongest power to prevent characters from escaping or flying their foes to the sun.
Team will now have a 10 minute "Planning Stage" where each team can talk and prep amongst themsevles against the opposing team. Characters may NOT leave their immediate area during this time and no powers, spells,etc. can be used. This is a planning, sharing information stage only.
Now without further adieu, allow me to present your First battle in a BRAND NEW (OLD, OLD, OLD) type of Tournament Of Champions:
TEAM HE-MAN: Blue Falcon (Blue Falcon & Dinomutt), Pikachu (Pokemon), She-Ra (She-Ra: Princess Of Power), He-Man (He-Man & The Masters Of The Universe)
VS.
TEAM IMHOTEP: Spike Spiegel (Cowboy Bebop), Lion-O (Thundercats), Big Guy (Big Guy & Rusty), Imhotep (Monster Force)
As always, same rules apply, no time to prepare, POOFed from where ever they were, with only what they routinely carry on them AND/OR routinely used in their shows, to fight in a Large area til one stands and one falls. YOU decide Who.
Randomly Chosen Area:
Scottish Moors - Thick fog shrouds this eerie place, making vision difficult at any great distance. Twisted and misshapen trees surround the many bogs. A large cemetery leads towards a dark, and decrepit manor house. When the wind is right you could almost swear you are not alone.
(Inspired by: Scooby Doo, Gargoyles and haunted house locales everywhere)
Thanks all, and enjoy.
And REMEMBER, if youre not sure who someone is here, ASK. Theres PLENTY of people here who can tell you most anything youd like to know. Thanks again.
ALSO, please do your best to respect everyones votes, reasonings and opinions here. If you believe your character should win, but doesnt in the end, dont hold grudges against the character that beat yours, or call the votes that allowed this to happen "fanboy" arguments or plain and simply wrong. We all have our own way of thinking and voting here, with each one of our thoughts and ideas as valid as your own. Lets do what we can, even in the heat of an argument, to respect that. Thanks.
TV CARTOON TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Part 5
ROUND 1
Team He-Man vs. Team Imhotep: ??????
14 Down, 2 To Go
I vote for Team Imhotep.
He-man's team has the same weakness he does:no one can fly. Big Guy rockets over and dumps a salvo or two on He-man's team after takeing that they are going to be in no shape to deal with Imhotep's entire team especially since there are dead bodies here for Imhotep to mess with.
I thought the same thing about Big Guy until Pikachu - the lightning kittie/mouse. Pikachu can short circut Big Guy and He-Man and SHe-Ra can take care of the rest. Maybe Blue Falcon is the fodder for the cannon, but he can take down some zombies if Imhotep decides to raise them. She-Ra and He-Man are a very, very powerful Duo, and with the electric Pokemon with them, they are gonna be tough to beat.
Team He-Man for the win.
Rokk_Krinn
04/07/2005, 14:16
Originally posted by MSU
I thought the same thing about Big Guy until Pikachu - the lightning kittie/mouse. Pikachu can short circut Big Guy
Even assuming Pikachu has the range to nail Big Guy, I would find it pretty unlikely that BG doesn't have some sort of protection against electrical attacks. Considering we've seen him smash through high-power lines and the like and not get "shorted", I just can't see Pikachu easily stopping BG. Now, if Big Guy was damaged and had exposed circuits or something, yes, but not just from one blast. As such, I do think the flight and longer range powers of Team Imhotep is a huge advantage here. Imhotep's "super-paralysis" freeze spells trump big muscles and Rando's scenario is a pretty good one.
Vote: Team Imhotep
Maniac_nmt
04/07/2005, 14:32
Team Big Guy/Imhotep
Big Guy by himself can probably ventillate the other team. Toss on Lion-O who could at least duel for a good long time against He-man and She-Ra, and Imhotep, and it's a total cake walk.
Pikachu will have a bullet through the brain before it gets out it's first 'Pika?'
Team He-Man/She-Ra for the win. If these guys dont know how to tople an uber sorcerrer, as thats all they fight, no one will. Were talking about 2 characters that are about as strong and durable as Thor and Wonder Woman, so between their speed and strength, I dont see Big Guy being the clincher for their loss. This team will be hard to beat in my eyes.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Even assuming Pikachu has the range to nail Big Guy, I would find it pretty unlikely that BG doesn't have some sort of protection against electrical attacks. Considering we've seen him smash through high-power lines and the like and not get "shorted", I just can't see Pikachu easily stopping BG. Now, if Big Guy was damaged and had exposed circuits or something, yes, but not just from one blast. As such, I do think the flight and longer range powers of Team Imhotep is a huge advantage here. Imhotep's "super-paralysis" freeze spells trump big muscles and Rando's scenario is a pretty good one.
Vote: Team Imhotep
Both He-Man and SHe-Ra can leap and climb like anything and Pikachu has a good range for his electrical attacks. Plus the guy is super fast so hitting him with the gun is gonna be hard. Pikachu can hit and run (like he usually does) until there are exposed circuts or wait until She-Ra or He-Man expose some circuts for him.
And as DTM said, all these two do is fight sorcerors...what makes Imhotep different from Evil Lyn or Hordak or Skeletor? These two know each other, are familiar with each other, ARE BROTHER AND SISTER and will lead this team into victory.
And besides, either He-Man or She-Ra could take Lion-O with no problem.
It just occured to me that Lion-O's sword dispels magical spells and enchantments. You know what are enchantements here: the spells keeping Adam and whoever He-man and She-ra.
I'm picking team He-man. They are in a Scottish Moor wich is foggy. BG flying isn't going to help if H-man's team is stealthing around in the fog. Plus Fog equals dampness and that is perfect for pikachu.
Originally posted by Rando
It just occured to me that Lion-O's sword dispels magical spells and enchantments. You know what are enchantements here: the spells keeping Adam and whoever He-man and She-ra.
I don't think Lion-O and any other magic user in this TOC can turn He-Man and She-Ra back into their normal selves. Their powers are granted by the Sorceress, a power more ancient and cosmic than what anyone has here to dispell.
Rokk_Krinn
04/07/2005, 15:24
Originally posted by SyxxPac
I'm picking team He-man. They are in a Scottish Moor wich is foggy. BG flying isn't going to help if H-man's team is stealthing around in the fog. Plus Fog equals dampness and that is perfect for pikachu.
The Big Guy suit has a full set of sensory arrays at its' disposal. It's not just using "normal human vision" here - we're talking full-spectrum visual, vast audio capabilities, radar, motion tracking, etc. You wouldn't say Iron Man couldn't pick people out of a fog, right? Same deal with Big Guy.
Rokk_Krinn
04/07/2005, 15:27
Originally posted by MSU
Plus the guy is super fast so hitting him with the gun is gonna be hard.
And as DTM said, all these two do is fight sorcerors...what makes Imhotep different from Evil Lyn or Hordak or Skeletor? These two know each other, are familiar with each other, ARE BROTHER AND SISTER and will lead this team into victory.
Why waste time with bullets - although rapid-fire target-tracking auto-cannons are probably going to be able to hit Pikachu who is fast but not Flash-fast - when you can just use missiles or other explosive radius blasts to nail the rat?
The difference between this sorceror and the others for He-Man and She-Ra is that Imhotep is apparently quite capable of doing area effect "mystic freeze" (like mass-paralysis) spells (something we don't usually see Skeletor do). There's no attack for them to deflect - they're just "locked down".
Prof. Aragorn
04/07/2005, 16:36
Team He-man and She-ra just got hosed.
1: Imhotep can raise his mummy dudes who will not die, though they can be incapacitated, they will just reform. These guys gave the entire Monster Force team (That's the Frankenstein Monster, three guys with lots of monster tech and enhanced strength from enviro-suits, a psychic, and a lyncanthrope who's very tough to take down) a hard time. The whole team is going to be bogged down by these guys. That rat-thing isn't going to survive these guys since it's attacks don't help him here-at all.
2: Spike Spiegel has fought Blue Falcon, even if he lost to him, he'd beat him this time-same environment, and same opponent. He knows BF's fighting skills and will take him down. Afterwards he lights up a cigarette and drills some holes in She-Ra and He-man.
3: Lion-O is probably the least effective guy here, but he can still sword-tango with either Master of the Universe long enough to stall the team-especially with a myriad of zombies and mummies helping him out.
4: Big Guy. 'Nuff said. A huge weapons load-out with great targetting skills and sensory equipment means his attacks will hit.
5: If (big if here) He-man decides to leap for Imhotep, he's going to get tore apart. He's got a mystic freeze breath which will stop everyone cold (except his mummies and maybe his team, I'm unfamiliar how his attacks work) or he could just use his tk attacks to throw him through the house where some ninja-zombies ambush him, or he could bind him and do a mind switch at which point he takes control of He-man as well as retains some of his own powers where Prince Adam is stuck inside a rotting, bandaged body having know idea how to do magic.
Vote: Spike Spiegel, Lion-O, Big Guy, Imhotep for 80% of the time (and I'm being leniant on this statistic).
He-Man and She-Ra are the Ultimate team up. Imhotep has no chance. I see the electrical might of Pikachu taking out Big Guy, and Falcon loses to Speigel and lion-O. Tjis leave a SHW, HW and MW vs. a MW and LW. My vote...
TEAM HE-MAN
Prof. Aragorn
04/07/2005, 16:42
Originally posted by MSU
And as DTM said, all these two do is fight sorcerors...what makes Imhotep different from Evil Lyn or Hordak or Skeletor? These two know each other, are familiar with each other, ARE BROTHER AND SISTER and will lead this team into victory.
Um . . . a lot of differences . . . for one Imhotep has already died unlike the two main villains.
That and Imhotep is a superheavyweight sorcerer-having far greater power than either villains-usually not needing any raw materials for his spells. His henchmen aren't bungling fools who can never get the job done, they usually do get the job done.
Jawapimp
04/07/2005, 16:57
Im not sure what to say yet but here is a few ideas I've been kicking around:
1) I consider He-Man's leaping capabilities to be just below that of Hulk (alright maybe not that good but still dang good). If he sees that big Ol er... Big Guy flying above them, he is goning to leap up and use his sword like a can opener and slice right through him. Plus, He-Man is a beast. His strong willpower can allow him to overcome amazing odds, and with his sorc sister around he is even stronger.
2) What is preventing She-Ra from dispelling the zombie horde of Imhotep. I'm pretty sure she could pull something like that off considering she is a powerful sorceress with a positive alignment.
3) Pikachu is a pest, especially in an arena where he can barely be seen unless he is right next to you. Spike is toast if the rat blast him with a bolt. Plus he can run interfearance against the other guys.
Now I have a few questions:
1) What exactly does Blue Falcon do? Is he like a Batman gadget type guy?
2) How can Imhotep be ko'd? Is it by decapatation or just like any "regular mortal"?
Rokk_Krinn
04/07/2005, 17:24
Originally posted by Jawapimp
2) What is preventing She-Ra from dispelling the zombie horde of Imhotep. I'm pretty sure she could pull something like that off considering she is a powerful sorceress with a positive alignment.
She-Ra's a sorceress? Hrnh...every episode I saw her in she was a female version of He-Man. Strength, sword, etc.
People keep talking like She-Ra and He-Man are an automatic "works great together" team but here's the problem: they were both into adulthood before they even knew the other existed, live in different dimensions and they've barely worked together. A couple "team-ups", yes, but not exactly the type of flawless teamwork that comes from knowing someone down to every detail. They're not total strangers, but pretty close.
Maniac_nmt
04/07/2005, 17:33
Big Guy fights giant space monsters on a regular basis, be they mutagenic goo spitting monsters, to evil death ray wielding aliens.
Pikachu's lightning is so not even going to slow him down. The yellow fluff ball isn't even a speed bump.
Team Imhotep has all the scrying/vision abilities to totally own in this terrain. Big Guy, Imhotep, and Lion-O all have ways to deal with reduced visibilty, and make it a non factor.
Maniac_nmt
04/07/2005, 17:41
Originally posted by SyxxPac
I'm picking team He-man. They are in a Scottish Moor wich is foggy. BG flying isn't going to help if H-man's team is stealthing around in the fog. Plus Fog equals dampness and that is perfect for pikachu.
Team He-man isn't stealthing anything.
The top 3 players on team Imhotep all have advanced sensory and or vision modes.
Given that Big Guy can see clearly here, won't be seen in return, and makes War Machine look like a nerf gun for firepower, how do any of Team He-man not get totally wasted with no chance to block or dodge as by the time they see the blast it's to late?
He's also not to far off even He-man for strength. We figured it out last time, he could press what, 200 something tons?
Not even figuring in Lion-O who could dispel their enchantments and turn them back into normal people. Nor Imhotep's spells and summoning powers.
How does Team He-man fight a massive ranged platform, in an open area, when they can't see it, but he can see them?
Jawapimp
04/07/2005, 17:52
Judged on what I have heard I'm going to have to vote against my boy He-Man. Team Mummy-Man has the firepower and variety to take down the power of Greyskull. Team He-Man is not so much as hindered by this terrain as they are put at a disadvantage because their foes are NOT affected by the terrain.
Team Imhotep for the win
Im voting for Team Imhotep because the above arguements have convinced me that they can win.
Team imhotep for the win.
protectorate
04/07/2005, 18:48
I'm going with Team Imhotep.
10 seconds after the battle begins you have Imhotep raising up his mummy cannon fodder to keep the other team busy and off balance. After that Team Imhotep has multiple characters with serious ranged attacks (The top two for sure) that will be able to see Team He-Man long before Team He-Man will be ablt to see them. That's automatic first strike to Imhotep.
I'm figuring He-Man and maybe She-Ra will be able to withstand an initial volley from Big Guy and try and close to hand to hand range. At that point you have two injured warriors vs Imhoteps entire team, fresh.
Spike and Lion-O should be able to keep She-Ra busy, or defeat her outright since she is already injured. In the mean time Imhotep sitting on Big Guy's shoulder should be able to take out He-Man.
thedon99
04/07/2005, 19:42
I don't think Imhotep is more powerful than Skeletor from the new He-man cartoon. That version is bad ###. I vote for team He-Man. I like this team a lot, and see it going far.
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I have to go with team Imhotep, to be honest.
Team Imhotep has a powerful spellcaster that has a lot of options to score a win (Freeze spells and paralysis) can create zombies (that will be a problem) and has fair leadership skills.
Team Imhotep also has a powerful ranged attacker in the form of Big Guy. He could fire at will on the area and team He-Man will be in a world of pain. That kind of firepower is beyond a lot of the others in terms of power.
No one mentioned "Sight Beyond Sight" yet? If Lion-O uses that nifty trick then Imhotep and Big Guy will wipe them out with sheer power once they know the opposing teams position.
And Spike is already a big threat to the opposing team. None of the opposing team wants to kill. BF is a peacemaker, Pikachu does not kill *ever* and the brother and sister will not kill. Spike and his team show little to no restraint at all.
In the end i have to give it to Imhotep and team. Far too dangerous and versatile not to win.
By the way, DTM could I please make a request? In a few days I will be having trouble to access a computer. With that being the case, could Team Superion’s fight please be the next one up? I would very much like to see that fight before I lose my access to a computer.
LittleApril
04/07/2005, 20:50
I see team He-man taking this one, the fact that him and she-ra got on the same team is gonna be very hard to contend with. Followed by the fact that they have a very very competant support staff will win this more often than not.
Maniac_nmt
04/07/2005, 21:22
Originally posted by LittleApril
I see team He-man taking this one, the fact that him and she-ra got on the same team is gonna be very hard to contend with. Followed by the fact that they have a very very competant support staff will win this more often than not.
They have a horrible support staff, are both pretty much melee only, are fighting what may be the single most versitile team I've seen in a LOOOONNNNGGGG time.
Powerful summoner/spell caster, plus powerful (durable, strong, lots of fire power, highly skilled and experienced) mecha, anti magic user and good melee, and arsenal packing mega tough-guy.
Honestly, Team Imhotep has no real weakness. They aren't short in any area.
They have powerful scrying/sensory, powerful ranged attack, powerful close up, powerful magic, lots of experience, guys with serious grit, characters with high mental attack resistance, etc.
Team He-man is almost all melee focused, and their one ranged combat unit, is a playful little puffball.
i'll toss in a vote for team he-man.
fighting evil sorcerers is what he-man and she-ra do.
if this is ash's pikachu, then he's more dangerous than a normal pikachu.
he's smart, he's experienced... and he's not a pushover just because he's cute.
blue falcon likes having animal sidekicks anyway...
In all basic arguments, Spike and Lion-O are such non-threats to Team He-Man, they shouldn't even be mentioned. They would be crushed, easily.
Now, Big Guy and Imhotep are different. The mummies would be a nuisance, but I'm sure if Pikachu and Blue Falcon aren't blasted by BG, they could take them on no sweat, while She-Ra and He-Ma work on the bigger threats. Remember, Pikachu's strongest attack summons lightning from the sky, so hurting the fliers or large groups of weak enemies wouldn't be hard.
If He-Man can jump high enough, he could break Big Guy in half. She-Ra would be able to fend off Imhotep for a while, and then they could combine their strength, bury their swords in the dead man's body (he is undead), and then let Pikachu blast him with lightning. Of course, Imhotep may not be taken down that easily but it's still a possibility.
Vote: Team He-Man.
deadalus13
04/07/2005, 23:14
I vote for team Imhotep.
Team He-man is a close combat beast, but this is far from a close combat match. With a 40 mile arena, Imhotep's team should easily be able to stay out of close combat range while sending massive amounts of power at He-man's team. Pikachu is fast, but is by no means impossible to hit and can be knocked out from a near hit with a missile. He-man and his sister might be able to withstand a few volleys from Big Guy, but they will eventually fall. I don't care how high He-man can jump. Why would Big Guy ever get close enough to be jumped on? His flight speed will allow him to keep his distance while he fires long range missiles at the targets he easily picks up with his sensors. Imhotep's mummys just add to He-man's team's problems. Lion-O can use his sight to direct them while him and Imhotep are safely miles from the combat.
I don't see this as much of a battle. Imhotep's team wins 99.99% of the time.
My money's on team Imhotep. While the HW and SHW of team He-Man are good against sorcerors, they have pretty much no experiance against flying robots. While Imhotep throws some spells to keep them distracted and has mummies to tie them up, Big Guy can lay down some hurt from out of their range.
Oh yes, on the lighter side- I'd say that if Spike and Lion-O trade opponents, they'll do great. Spike's fast enough and a good enough aim to plug Pikachu some of the time, and Lion-O can overpower Blue Falcon. Even if Spike loses, Lion-O won't and can take on Pikachu after, so the LW/MW pair can at least keep He-Man's LW/HW pair from bothering Big Guy.
Considering team Imhotep's information gathering capability and manueverability, combined with a lot of ranged attack to the other side's just Pikachu and Blue Falcon, even the enchantments of He-Man and She-Ra will be singled out and taken down by the forces of superior firepower of both technology plus magic.
Close match.
I think Team He-Man will take it... Mostly because of Pikachu.
Pikachu's lightning can be called from the sky, and is very powerful. That, combined with He-man and She-ra on the same team... I just think that the Team Work these two can provide will be enough to beat their "superior" foes.
Pikachu is also faster than Spike, significantly so. Spike is human (if I remember correctly) with superior reflexes. Pikachu is a mouse with electrical powers trained to use it's speed to outmanuever foes. I see that contest ending pretty quickly, in Pikachu's favor much of the time.
Originally posted by Rando
It just occured to me that Lion-O's sword dispels magical spells and enchantments. You know what are enchantements here: the spells keeping Adam and whoever He-man and She-ra.
So the Sword of Omens is going to turn He-Man and She-Ra into non powered humans? That, I highly doubt.
Originally posted by Poring
By the way, DTM could I please make a request? In a few days I will be having trouble to access a computer. With that being the case, could Team Superion’s fight please be the next one up? I would very much like to see that fight before I lose my access to a computer.
You got it, next match is Team Superion vs Team ??????
Team He-Man - 9 votes
Team Imhotep - 10 votes
Wow, you cant get too much closer than this. Dont let up all, just because its close only means that support is needed on both sides, new and old, even more. With days left to go, and a battle as close as this, its still ANYBODYS match.
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 08:52
Something I've been considering...
If Big Guy is "backed" (directed) by the "Sight beyond Sight" and Imhotep's scrying, he doesn't even have to get that close to start attacking the other team. Trajectories + nasty weapons load-out (e.g.: missiles that have done damage to Godzilla-style creatures) means he can do a rather awesome "artillery" barrage on the other team's position. The other team's probably going to be busy with either mummies or just making their way through the fog (which will also obscure the incoming barrage until it hits). Sure, She-Ra and He-Man might make it out of there somewhat unscathed (maybe) but Pikachu and BF don't have much protection against high-explosives.
Prof. Aragorn
04/08/2005, 09:36
The zombies and mummies are enough to take on Pikachu and maybe Blue Falcon. BF can find a way out of a fight what with Falcon hooks and rangs, but Pika is going to get swarmed, speed doesn't matter when all youy see is fog and zombie feet. The lightning might take down some zombies, but it won't be enough. Pika pika is going to be a nice mummy snack.
As for He-man and She-ra, Big Guy rockets them down, Imhotep tk's them away or mindswaps with them, or Spike Jeet kun dos them to death. Lion-O will probably take out Blue Falcon eventually.
Originally posted by thedon99
I don't think Imhotep is more powerful than Skeletor from the new He-man cartoon. That version is bad ###. I vote for team He-Man. I like this team a lot, and see it going far.
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You don't? Where were you when Skeletor was put in the HW division?
The Red Baron
04/08/2005, 11:25
Water Conducts electriceity or however you spell it so Pika can take out mummies spike and lion o by him self. He man can jump high really really high so my vote is going to team. team he-man.
protectorate
04/08/2005, 13:09
The problem with Pikachu being a factor is range an fog. Pikachu needs to be relatively close (line of sight) and have an idea of where his opponent is to target. With such a huge arena, with Lion-O and Imhotep providing targeting, Big Guy can launch missiles while still MILES away from Team He-Man. This while Team He-Man has a line of sight measured in feet. So Team He-Man has to slog through 20 miles of terrain, fighting hordes of zombies, all while under constant artillery fire.
Eventually Pikachu and Blue Falcon are going to get swarmed by zombies, or get hit by an explosive or shrapnel, and they can't take that kind of hit.
Jawapimp
04/08/2005, 14:21
If this battle were on any other terrain that WASN'T A GRAVEYARD, He-Man and Co. would have a much better chance. However, thay just happened to pull the king of the undead in a very bad terrain. Too bad...
SpakSpang
04/08/2005, 14:36
Team Big Guy/Imhotep: This team just outranges and outclasses Team He-man. Completely. Sure with the Scottish Moors range won't be as huge of a factor, that means Team Imhotep even has a bigger advantage.
Why?
Big Guy. His targeting systems should be able to see through the fog and target the opponents. The area is relatively open enough to use missles and such.
As for He-man and She-ra, Big Guy rockets them down, Imhotep tk's them away or mindswaps with them, or Spike Jeet kun dos them to death. Lion-O will probably take out Blue Falcon eventually.
You guys do realize that with VAST strength comes VAST durability, right? He-Man and She-Ra are the physically strongest man and woman in their entire universe, I dont the even the armament of any HW (especially one using missiles and bullets over high tech plasma energy weapons) is going to be enough to take them both down, or even close. Not to mention the amazing superhuman speed and agility they both have, and the fact that they are FAMILY is only going to make them fight harder (Id like to see He-Man go berserk when and if She-Ra falls dead)
Originally posted by Rando
You don't? Where were you when Skeletor was put in the HW division?
Lets put it this way, Skeletor isnt THAT much weaker overall than Imhotep (high level HW compared to low to mid end SHW), and He-Man beats on Skeletor (thanks to his anti magical armor and magical weapons) all of the time.
Team He-Man - 10 votes
Team Imhotep - 11 votes
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 14:49
So if He-Man is that impervious to harm, how come he's always trying to dodge or deflect attacks? Just asking. :)
I didnt say he was Superman, or he could just sit there and take everything BG has. I am saying with his vastly superhuman durability and incredible speed and agility (which goes for She-Ra as well, though to a lesser degree) its not going to be nearly as easy for BG to take out BOTH of them as many people are suggesting.
They do have high tech armanents and missiles in the new He-Man show, so hes certainly used to dealing with such forms of attack, in addition to uber magical ones at that (which again, to a lesser degree, can be said for She-Ra as well)
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 15:04
Maybe but when BG is arclighting them from miles away, durability gets tested _real_ fast (and that's not even counting what happens to Pikachu and the Falcon - I don't care how agile you are, a big bomb blast is still going to catch you).
Why, does BG carry a nuclear bomb or two in his arsenal? :)
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 15:14
No, but he carries a lot of long-range missiles and explosives. Plenty to go ahead and arclight with (yes, I know technically an arclight is nicknaming for B-52 carpet bombing but the devestation that occures just makes the term fit nicely with the "barrage" BG can unleash from miles away).
Prof. Aragorn
04/08/2005, 15:21
Originally posted by DTM
Lets put it this way, Skeletor isnt THAT much weaker overall than Imhotep (high level HW compared to low to mid end SHW), and He-Man beats on Skeletor (thanks to his anti magical armor and magical weapons) all of the time.
Nah, Imhotep is mid level superheavy at least.
For one thing the guy is immortal, as in unkillable.
Incapacitation is really difficult to do unless your another superheavyweight-or you can entomb the guy.
His magicks are really powerful, he's only a few steps behind Oberon in power. Imhotep has been known to challenge gods (though he usually always loses).
Im willing to bet you cut off his head and hell be incapped for the 30 seconds required, at the least, and we have 2 vastly superhuman fighters who deal with uber magics day to day and they carry magical swords to boot.
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 16:15
But how often have you seen He-Man and especially She-Ra use their swords for "decapitations" or other potentially lethal attacks? Maybe the flat of their blade but otherwise it's pretty much just their fists against sentient foes.
does big guy have an unlimited supply of ammo?
everyone is talking like it'll be a constant missle barrage until all four on he-man's team drop.
and personally i'd love to see spike fight pikachu.
sure pikachu isn't faster than bullets, but i'll bet even money that spike isn't faster than lightning either.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
But how often have you seen He-Man and especially She-Ra use their swords for "decapitations" or other potentially lethal attacks? Maybe the flat of their blade but otherwise it's pretty much just their fists against sentient foes.
Theyre fighting an Undead Lord, Uber Magical Demon in Imhotep, something tells me He-Man isnt going to be too broken up about going for the decap, especially if he thinks its the ONLY way to defeat Imho here. Were not talking about cutting off Supermans head here, were talking about an Undead Lord, as in being that is pretty much already dead.
I agree with all the He-man arguments, i dont see anybody on Imhoteps team being fast enough or strong enough to drop he-man. One decap from he-man and the other teams SHW is gone.
Vote: He-man and Co.
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 17:00
Originally posted by DTM
Theyre fighting an Undead Lord, Uber Magical Demon in Imhotep, something tells me He-Man isnt going to be too broken up about going for the decap, especially if he thinks its the ONLY way to defeat Imho here. Were not talking about cutting off Supermans head here, were talking about an Undead Lord, as in being that is pretty much already dead.
So if the body's dead but the mind and soul are alive that makes it okay to kill? ;) Sure we want to start that one? :P *jk*
On a more serious note, if killing apparently undead sorcerorous beings was in He-Man's personality trait, wouldn't Skeletor be long gone? I mean, he's a magical skeletal being, right?
Thats just his face, skeletor is quite alive.
this has been the best match up...who knew? :grin:
For those against he-man and his merry band. Blue Falcon is not so much just a wash up - he is prolly the weakest of the LWs one on one, but he has a good brain and has good batman-esqe plans (if Dynomutt didn't screw them all up). He has good gadgets that could help out He-Man and She-Ra in the fight or be human fodder for distraction.
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
So if the body's dead but the mind and soul are alive that makes it okay to kill? ;) Sure we want to start that one? :P *jk*
On a more serious note, if killing apparently undead sorcerorous beings was in He-Man's personality trait, wouldn't Skeletor be long gone? I mean, he's a magical skeletal being, right?
If He-Man HAD TO kill Skeletor to save the life of his sister, as it would be in this battle, you bet hed do it. Again, Imhotep is blantantly undead, its his thing, killing an undead thing is not nearly the same as killing a living being (skull faced or no), just ask Buffy. :) And the mind of Imhotep may be alive, but I doubt seriously if he in fact has a soul.
Jawapimp
04/08/2005, 17:27
I think I'm going to switch my vote, after what I've heard from the pro He-Man camp. I just dont think there is enoguh fire power to take down two tanks, a living lightning bolt, and a "batman-esqe" planner.
Change my vote to Team He-Man!
Rokk_Krinn
04/08/2005, 17:27
Originally posted by DTM
If He-Man HAD TO kill Skeletor to save the life of his sister, as it would be in this battle, you bet hed do it. Again, Imhotep is blantantly undead, its his thing, killing an undead thing is not nearly the same as killing a living being (skull faced or no), just ask Buffy. :) And the mind of Imhotep may be alive, but I doubt seriously if he in fact has a soul.
Hey, the soul is what animates the body and contains the "mind" of Imhotep. Besides, just because you're evil doesn't mean you're soulless. :)
And, sorry, but if He-Man hasn't killed anyone in the past to save Teela, his friends or, heck, all of Eternia when it was looking _close_, I don't think it's in character for him to go for a decapitation here. It's definitely not in She-Ra's character as she didn't even try to kill Hordak after he'd enslaved and persecuted a whole planet.
He-man also knows that de-capping Imhotep will not kill him, so there would be no reason for him not to do it in order to get the quick TKO
Originally posted by Rokk_Krinn
Hey, the soul is what animates the body and contains the "mind" of Imhotep. Besides, just because you're evil doesn't mean you're soulless. :)
And, sorry, but if He-Man hasn't killed anyone in the past to save Teela, his friends or, heck, all of Eternia when it was looking _close_, I don't think it's in character for him to go for a decapitation here. It's definitely not in She-Ra's character as she didn't even try to kill Hordak after he'd enslaved and persecuted a whole planet.
But for those foes there were other means to defeat them, and in the end they did.
For Imhotep, again an undead being who is pretty much dead anyway, IF the only way to take him out and save the life of his sister (again, the ONLY WAY) He-Man would do it, as would any of us, good or no. If were saying the one way to taken down Imhotep, no one on Team He-Man would do, then its an utter slaughter.
Heck, weve seen even beings as good as Captain America and Superman kill when there was NO OTHER WAY, and this is one of those scenarios for He-Man. (Keep in mind hell also KNOW beheading Imhotep WONT kill him, just incap him long enough for him to be considered KOed here, another reason why He-Man would do so)
And since He-Mans bio gives him special armor against magical attacks, hes certainly suited for the task.
Team He-Man - 12 votes
Team Imhotep - 10 votes
Prof. Aragorn
04/09/2005, 00:20
Originally posted by DTM
Im willing to bet you cut off his head and hell be incapped for the 30 seconds required, at the least, and we have 2 vastly superhuman fighters who deal with uber magics day to day and they carry magical swords to boot.
Oh sure, cutting off Imhotep's head probably would do it, but it's not going to happen. Most of the attacks directed at Imhotep didn't do squat or else he just breathed and all motion stopped. Consider Imhotep's breath absolute zero. Just about all motion will stop for a period of time.
If and When He-man or She-ra (or both even) leap at Imhotep for the decap, mummy raises his arms and throws them back at the mummies. If this guy could be touched in close combat-you think the Frankenstein Monster would have handled this guy if Imhotep could be hit in close combat?
There's also the mind swap, where Imhotep switches his soul with another being, Imhotep gains their powers while similarly keeping some of his own (at least capable of the ice breath and raising the undead). Whereas the guy that got swapped can only do what Imhotep can do-and that's if they know how to do the spells or don't have some sort of psychic helping them out.
Let's not forget the barrage of missles sent towards the team, if She-Ra and He-man are the only one's left and slightly weakened, even if they do get Imhotep (and trust me-not going to happen), Big Guy can still lay the smack, you got Lion-O who can handle one of them by now on his own, and Spike who'd definately show He-man the meaning of pain.
Team He-man is rangeless sans Pikachu who has no choice but to become a zombie treat, and Blue Falcon, who is going to have trouble with the zombies-let alone the rest of the team. If He-man and She-ra are getting hit by missles, bullets, what chance do they have to close the gap and slice and dice Imhotep-especially since all Imhotep has to do is breathe and they're boned.
Prof. Aragorn
04/09/2005, 00:34
Originally posted by DTM
Heck, weve seen even beings as good as Captain America and Superman kill when there was NO OTHER WAY, and this is one of those scenarios for He-Man. (Keep in mind hell also KNOW beheading Imhotep WONT kill him, just incap him long enough for him to be considered KOed here, another reason why He-Man would do so)
That's the thing, they've killed the opponent when there was no other way. Imhotep cannot be killed. It's like Herr Kleiser from the Ultimates. Cap couldn't beat him so he sics Ultimate Hulk on him. Sure, that's doing something drastic when no other way is possible, but two different things:
1: He-man is not as savage, strong, or brutal as Ultimate Hulk
2: Imhotep has various ranged attacks-unlike Herr Kleiser
Now I can see He-man willing to go for the decap. It's not a matter of will, it's a matter of not being able to pull it off. The second he gets within sight range, Big Guy blasts him to pieces, Imhotep TK's him, or he breathes stops him cold. That would be the most logical thing He-man would do (well, the new cartoon series He-man, maybe the 80's one-don't know him too well), and he'd end up actually dying this time.
Originally posted by The Red Baron
Water Conducts electriceity or however you spell it so Pika can take out mummies spike and lion o by him self. He man can jump high really really high so my vote is going to team. team he-man.
Note that Pikachu is in no way immune to electricity. He can be hurt by his own attacks.
Prof. Aragorn
04/11/2005, 12:40
So team He-man and She-ra are able to win because they're completely impervious to harm and can close the gap on their enemies despite not being able to see them in the thick fog?
Now I know how Rando feels when I support Dracula . . .
Except for the fact that this just is impossible.
You have Imhotep who can raise the dead and his mummy servants who are relentless, cannot be killed, and will reform after destruction in less than 10 seconds.
Additionally, Imhotep's freeze breath is an area effect, if anyone from team He-man can close the gap, they get frozen before they can lop off any heads.
Big Guy's targetting system can ignore the fog, and if you've read the bio, he's got a lot of firepower (flamethrowers, machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, etc.), at least the lightweight and middle weight will be down and one or both of the heavier weights will be a bit wounded. And if He-man and She-ra get too close you still have Imhotep, Lion-O and hell even Spike (he's Jackie Chan level martial arts and has a gun ;) ).
Originally posted by Prof. Aragorn
So team He-man and She-ra are able to win because they're completely impervious to harm and can close the gap on their enemies despite not being able to see them in the thick fog?
Now I know how Rando feels when I support Dracula . . .
Its a kick in the pants, ain't it Prof? :laugh:
This is exactly how I felt when Genie lost.
Prof. Aragorn
04/11/2005, 12:56
I think my head exploded more when Spike lost . . . GAH!
protectorate
04/11/2005, 13:16
Hmm...
Is there any reason Imhotep can't possess She-Ra right off the bat, stab He-man, and slaughter the rest of the team before eventually getting pulled down herself by injured He-Man and maybe Pikachu?
With Birdman and She-Ra down, and He-Man injured, Team He-Man would really stand no chance to incoming long range artillery barrage.
You know the same reason the Sword of Omen's disenchant and Big Guy's limitless array of artillery won't work on her:she's She-Ra, she picked up Wonder Woman's invulneravility from somewhere.
The Red Baron
04/11/2005, 13:28
have I voted?
As mentioned before, Im pretty sure She-Ra was pretty close to Wonder Woman physically anyway. Strongest woman in the universe and all, and with physical strength comes a large portion of durability as well. Also, being very proficient in battling mystical and magical beings of all sorts, I dont think He-Man or She-Ra are going to fall lightly, if at all, to mystical mind control. (Not that I see long range MC in his bio at all, just Dr. Doom like switching bodies power) And his ice beams have an area of effect of a room, its not like he can freeze any entire stadium or even close in a single shot. She-Ra and He-Man are fast and can leap amazingly high. Too me, its no surprise in them closing the gap to Imhotep.
Originally posted by jedah_s
does big guy have an unlimited supply of ammo?
everyone is talking like it'll be a constant missle barrage until all four on he-man's team drop.
and personally i'd love to see spike fight pikachu.
sure pikachu isn't faster than bullets, but i'll bet even money that spike isn't faster than lightning either.
Big Guy has at least one laser, he might have 2 (his full armament list is in his bio). He runs on some kind of fusion reactor, so no he doesn't have a limitless supply of ammo, he will enventually run out of energy, in like a decade or 2.
protectorate
04/11/2005, 13:47
Close the distance... and leaping.
I hate this arguement, mainly because it's so silly.
It's not like they are sprinting a football field in length, they are running MILES and MILES. They aren't going to cover this gound in less then an hour at best. And meanwhile Imhotep's team can MOVE to keep them at range.
Should He-Man (I REALLY don't think She-Ras going to make it in any shape worthy of a real fight) manage to somehow get within a couple football vields of Imhotep and jump... Big Guy shots his flat tragectoried butt out of the air. It's not like He-Man would be able to dodge.
Besides BG no one on any team has massive range, meanign this fight isnt going to be fought 40 miles away, but in the span of a few miles from one another. He-Man and She-Ra can surely make their way across a few miles to the other teams SHW. BG is tough, but as we found out not nearly as tough and strong as we originally thought. He can bombard agreat deal of the area with his attacks, but not the entire 40 mile wide area. And his attacks are mainly used against MASSIVELY sized beasts or aliens, not a superhumanly fast man and woman. He-Man get a single shot on BG, or She-Ras 2 or 3, and hes going down. As for Imhotep, youre not going to find a better HW/SHW combo to take down any uber magical being here than She-Ra and He-Man.
He-man and She-Ra are not superhumanley fast I can't imagine where that came from. There is simply no way for He-man or She-ra to ever get an attack in on Big Guy, even if you believe the super-leaping (which I recall absolutelty zero examples of from the show, so again I don't know where this is comeing from), then they still simply cannot see him, they are just flailing around blindly against a flying, skilled pilot. I'll also note that I think that the claim that Big Guy is going down in just 1 or a few hits is outrageous, BG is one of the toughest heavy weights, easily in the top5 for durability, He-man couldn't mow down junk like Beastman in 1 hit, no way is he gonna lay waste to Big Guy like he is some empty beer can.
deadalus13
04/11/2005, 14:17
"Besides BG no one on any team has massive range, meanign this fight isnt going to be fought 40 miles away, but in the span of a few miles from one another."
So, BG can only attack from a mile or two away. This is enough. He-man might be fast but he is not Flash fast, which is how he is being made out. This is what I am getting from the pro He-man posters: when He-man's team starts to get bombarded from a mile or two away, He-man will close the distance and leap up in the air and take out BG in one hit. So He-man will basically travel a mile or two on the ground and then leap a couple of stories in the air in less time than it takes for BG to fire his thrusters, which would be all it would take for him to move out of the way. Even if He-man was close enough to jump up and attack BG, it doesn't mean he will automatically hit. Leaping is not the same as flight. You cannot change your trajectory mid leap, although your opponent can change it for you. And if Imhotep is on BG, what keeps him from using his freeze breath on anyone that is trying to jump up to his team.
He-man is tough, but Imhotep's team has too many advantages for He-man's team to overcome.
protectorate
04/11/2005, 14:49
How in the world to He-Man and She-Ra even know where the arial bombardment is coming from? Even if (And this is really stretching things) the distance was only a few miles, the visual distance for He-Man and She-Ra is measured in FEET. They can't track the dang artillery shells or missiles. Even if they could, Big Guy is a mobil artillery plateform. One of the design features of a mobile artillery platform is that when the enemy slogs through the fire to try and take the artillery... the artillery isn't there anymore.
So He-Man (I refuse to believe She-Ra can take more than a shot or two before going down.) will get to where Gig Guy WAS, only to find that he's not there anymore. At which point Big Guy opens up from his new firing position.
Wash, rinse, reapeat till He-Man drops.
deadalus13
04/11/2005, 15:17
How about this scenario:
He-man's team is suddenly bombarded with missiles from a far off source. Somehow, He-man figures out where they are coming from and starts running as fast as he can to get there. Unfortunately for him, he is moving so fast that he isn't paying enough attention to his surroundings and gets swallowed by a bog.
Or:
Once Imhotep realizes that He-man is somehow Impervious to all harm, he decides to just avoid him. Using the advanced sensors on BG to keep him located, they move whenever He-man gets within a few miles of them. They do this for a month or two until He-man finally succumbs to starvation and sleep deprivation.
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