View Full Version : Clix vs. Comix TOC! 31-35pts. Round 1 Match 15: CAPTAIN AMERICA VS. LADY SHIVA
Well, the last male competator vs. the last DC competator.
I was playing Heroclix the other day, and building my team, I had 103 points left. I looked at my selection and realized that U HT Batman and R IC Hulk both cost the same. This got me thinking. Just because they are Heroclix equals doesn’t translate back translate back to comics. I think most of us would agree that Hulk could beat Batman in a fight.
That is the idea for this tournament. Every entry will be close to the same amount of points Heroclix wise, but this will be their comic forms fighting!
Rules:
This will be a standard single elimination tournament with 32 combatants. There will be 2 to a fight. They get no knowledge of each other (unless they have fought in the past). The only thing they get is the Heroclix figure of there enemies, and a PAC so they know what the opponent looks like and a bit about what they can do (this can be misleading however, like if they face Electro and think he will try to poison them). They will have 5 minutes to prepare. This is a fight to the death or KO, whichever happens first, and they must fight (no waiting for the opponent to die of starvation). They have with them what they normally carry and what there fig has if it is different. (Like how Bullseye doesn’t carry a gun, but he has one on the fig). If the fig that is being used is the rookie, you do NOT have to treat the fighter like that. (unless the characters powers change dramatically ie: Rouge)
When you vote, please try to justify your answer. You don’t have to write an essay, just a short explanation will do.
Terrain
There are 10 terrains that are all 5 miles in diameter. They will be chosen randomly.
With out further delay…
Captain Americs (from WWII)
fig from IC, 35pts.
vs.
Lady Shiva
fig from CJ, 33pts.
Terrain:
Egyptian Pyramid by michiganj24
Dimly lit interior of a great pyramid. Although its builders are long since dead, scarabs and booby traps still lurk in its recesses, and perhaps even the occasional mummy.
(Yah, I know, it came up again)
21-25pts. winner: Live Wire
26-30pts. winner: Zatanna
Round 1
Poison Ivy vs. Havok: Havok
Silver Sable vs. Ultimate Spider-Man: Silver Sable
Weather Wizard vs. Viper: Weather Wizard
Jean Grey vs. Sgt. Rock: Jean Grey
Hobgoblin vs. Arwyn: Hobgoblin
Torquemada vs. Blizzard: Blizzard
Mystique vs. Blob: Mystique
Whirlwind vs. Storm: Storm
Controller vs. Ultimate Electro: Controller
Killer Frost vs. Major Maxim: Killer Frost
Kabuki vs. Riddler: Kabuki
Skullbuster vs. Hawkman: Hawkman
Domino vs. Changeling: Domino
Judge Hershey vs. Madame Masque: Judge Hershey
Captain America vs. Lady Shiva:
IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the Unique Cap from WWII. That means less expirience and NO adamantium shield.
CAPTAIN AMERICA (Unique)
Thanks to Dr. Reinstein's super-soldier formula, scrawny Steve Rogers was transformed into Captain America, the sentinel of liberty! Aided by Bucky and the Invaders, Cap battled Nazis and the Axis during World War II. When Cap and Bucky attempted to stop Baron Zemo's bomber from attacking America, the plane exploded; killing Bucky and flinging Cap out to sea where he was frozen in suspended animation for decades.
LADY SHIVA
Lady Shiva Wu-San's mysterious past includes ties to the second Robin and retraining Batman after his back was broken by Bane. Shiva desires perfection in martial arts, which drive her around the globe in search of new techniques and opponents. Her abilities are formidable and cruel; her mastery is greater than almost anyone alive. Only one person has ever beaten Shiva -- Batgirl. Seeing her untapped potential, Shiva offered to teach Cassandra on one condition: they would meet one year later and fight to the death. Impossibly, Shiva was defeated by Batgirl, though she was granted mercy. Her defeat has left her humbled, given her new purpose, and revenge to exact.
Originally posted by NotYou
Crikey...is this rigged?
Of coarse this is not rigged. What do you take me for. :p
Is this Cap pre Invaders, or in the period Invaders - Ice cube?
This is Cap right before he got frozen.
DOOMSTRIKER
04/08/2005, 18:42
im not even gonna vote here, this is a terrible match up, i know the point costs are nowhere close but it woulda' been more fare if it was ultimate Captain A.
Kite-Man
04/08/2005, 18:46
It's weird.
Even though I know Lady Shiva is unbeatable in hand-to-hand combat...
I'm still putting my money on Cap.
WW2 Cap never lost to anybody!!
Well, I might as well vote. If this had been moder Cap, or Ultimate Cap, it would have been close. Cap's onlt chance would have been the WW2 terrain, but he didn't get it. He is out of luck, and, in my opinion, out of the TOC. My vote...
LADY SHIVA
Wasn't Cap found with his shield?
Was he? Fine, he is from the time that he used the shield his Unique has, (what ever that may be)
Current Day Cap, Im going for him, but this is WWII Cap with a lesser shield (that Im not sure if it was even thrown, and it not being round im sure it wouldnt bounce back to him) who I dont see beating a HTH goliath that Lady Shiva is. Cap in this version will lose more than not to Shiva, hence my vote for her. Great fight still, but thats my vote.
Maniac_nmt
04/08/2005, 20:08
Well, the shield he's pictured with, didn't even last 2 issues of Captain America Comics.
He had the round shield in issue 2 or 3 (I'd have to double check).
This version, with this shield is the ONLY version Shiva could beat. Even later day WW2 Cap would crunch her into tiny pieces. As near the end of the war, he would be at his height, and be someone that killed without a second though (and yes, Captain America killed people pretty routinely in his old mag, you'd be surprised how much more brutal he could be back then).
Shiva, but only because you are limiting Cap to his first two issues. Good fight, but one I doubt Cap would win.
St-Dumas
04/08/2005, 20:16
Is it possible to convince Cap that Shiva is a na...a member of a German political party that came to power in the early 1940's? Either way, it's a pair of expert hand to hand combatants fighting. Cap could probably out think Shiva and block all her attacks with the shield.
My vote: Golden Age Captain America.
Originally posted by Maniac_nmt
Well, the shield he's pictured with, didn't even last 2 issues of Captain America Comics.
He had the round shield in issue 2 or 3 (I'd have to double check).
This version, with this shield is the ONLY version Shiva could beat. Even later day WW2 Cap would crunch her into tiny pieces. As near the end of the war, he would be at his height, and be someone that killed without a second though (and yes, Captain America killed people pretty routinely in his old mag, you'd be surprised how much more brutal he could be back then).
Shiva, but only because you are limiting Cap to his first two issues. Good fight, but one I doubt Cap would win.
Don't worry, regular Cap will make his appearance in the 41-45pts TOC! (comming soon, although not that soon)
SumYungGai
04/08/2005, 20:30
I'm voting for Captain America. He's been a hand-to-hand expert from the beginning. He may have gained more experience since he switched from the traingular shield, but he was just as formidible to standard human opponents--and for all of her skill, Shiva is still a normal human.
WW2 Cap might not have been able to stand up to an army of robots, but he could still dish it out to normal enemies.
chase_jyd
04/08/2005, 20:48
Ouch, this is tough. Really tough.
Were it modern Cap, or even Cap with the better shield, I'd vote for him easily.
Really early Cap with the early shield, vs. Shiva... I have to go to the terrain.
Pyramid, suggesting getting around requiring a lot of climbing, jumping, crawling, avoiding traps... favors both stealthy heroes and the more mobile ones.
With greater overall strength, speed and especially endurance, and a better tactical sense, I think Cap will find a way to win by using the terrain to best advantage, and being able to get around both easier, and without wearing himself down.
It'd be ugly though, and if this were something more wide open, I'd give it to Shiva.
Cap to win.
Originally posted by DOOMSTRIKER
im not even gonna vote here, this is a terrible match up, i know the point costs are nowhere close but it woulda' been more fare if it was ultimate Captain A.
This sounds like you were leaning toward Shiva. If that's the case, you may want to vote anyways.
Cap-4
Shiva-3
Shiva.
Without his round shield to use as a reliable ranged weapon, Cap will have to get H2H with Shiva--and that's a fight he won't win.
Shiva is a superior H2H fighter than Cap and would take him out.
Cryomancer
04/08/2005, 21:42
As someone else mentioned, in thisform with the shield as is from the figure, Shiva wins. I don't think that Cap was good enough to beat Shiva.
theZehrung
04/08/2005, 21:50
my vote: Lady Shiva! She is the best martial art fighter in DC Universe, beating out Nightwing, Green Arrow II, Batman, Batgirl II, etc...and the fight takes place in the Pyramids, where Lady Shiva would be excelled in darkness than Captain America. Lady Shiva's stealth would be the one to enable her to win the battle. Lady Shiva is too good to lose anything at all.
WakandaMan
04/08/2005, 22:15
Wow! Nice match-up. Shiva wins, but this would be a really cool battle to watch!
DOOMSTRIKER
04/08/2005, 22:50
oh i should vote for Shiva huh?:cheeky:
Don't twist my words. You should vote for Shiva if you think she'd win, or Cap if you think he will. I was just letting you know that it wasn't the blow out that you made it sound like it would be.
I'm voting shiva. Round shield or not. She regularly dodges hails of bullets/batarangs. She is unparalleled in hand to hand in the dc universe.
Originally posted by GAMURAI
She is unparalleled in hand to hand in the dc universe.
What about Batgirl :noid: :cheeky: ;) :p
DOOMSTRIKER
04/08/2005, 23:10
give it a while, it will become a real one sided fight
Maniac_nmt
04/09/2005, 00:32
Originally posted by thugit
Shiva is a superior H2H fighter than Cap and would take him out.
Only in his absolute rookie form (and I mean at the begining of the war).
By the middle, or near the end of the war for him, nope, or even modern Cap nope.
Even modern Cap is not an equal fighter to Shiva.
He may be able to pull out a win, but Shiva is still the superior H2H fighter. She's better than Batman, who's better than Cap.....
What about Batgirl Shiva was cocky. Not anymore.
DOOMSTRIKER
04/09/2005, 02:23
awesome sig. GAMURAI
My vote's on Shiva. Captain America doesn't have nearly as much experiance as the modern one, and the Modern one is only wins against Batman (who is noticably behind Shiva) due to endurance.
Give him the inferior shield too, and Shiva not only will win the majority of the time, but a large majority at that.
Batgirl parallels Shiva, but no-one's better than her.
Kite-Man
04/09/2005, 04:07
Wow. It's true.
Cap only had that shield for ONE issue.
http://captain-america.us/comicbookwallpaper.htm
Learn something useless everyday.
michiganj24
04/09/2005, 04:16
[Terrain:
Egyptian Pyramid by michiganj24
As Much as i would like to take credit for the most used terrain That wasnt mine and Im not sure if mine hs even come up as I missed the first round or two.
That being said I am torn Shiva is the more likley vote as she would most likely winnner but Cap just dosent lose so Ill let my Favortism decide it and vote Cap as Ive never been too fond of HTH fighters myself
Originally posted by michiganj24
Egyptian Pyramid
Dimly lit interior of a great pyramid. Although its builders are long since dead, scarabs and booby traps still lurk in its recesses, and perhaps even the occasional mummy.
It was yours. this is directly from the Terrain Nomination thread.
michiganj24
04/09/2005, 16:57
Oops my bad I looked and you were right i forgot that was when my brother was on here so I didnt rember making it it what a smuck I am
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