Fighting Game TOC: Lightweight Division: Round 1, Match 1

[icymatt]

Welcome to my Fighting Game Tournament of Champions! Here, we pit the greatest champions from all sorts of fighting games against eachother and see who comes out on top! If you've participated in any other TOC before, you know how the basic rules work. However, for my tournament, fighters start about 20 feet from eachother. Remember, only vote for the one you honestly think would win in the conditions given (no fanboyism!), and if you need any information on any of the challengers, JUST ASK. Now to begin.

Ling Xiaoyu (Tekken)

Vs.

Sean(Street Fighter 3)

Randomly selected Terrain:
Terrain 3: Brazilian Rainforest(Street Fighter Alpha 3, Capcom Fighting Evolution)
The thick canopy darkens the whole area. Counless trees go on for miles in all directions. In the center of it all is a large river. The sounds of wildlife are in a constant loop, and some of them have even come out to view the upcoming clash.

Results:
Ling Xiayou vs. Sean: ????

FIGHT!

[jedah_s]

not familiar with sean.
i know he's the young black shoto fighter.... not sure of his moves or power level tho.

ling doesn't hit very hard (with the exception of a few moves), but she's small and fast. no one else in the lw's can sidestep like her.

i'll hold off on a vote until someone clues me in on sean, i have a feeling if he's simply a shoto-lite character then he'll win by default.

[Q99]

Hmm... first match, and I never played Tekken ^_^;

[Rando]

Yeah Sean is the new age Shoto fighter. He lacks any fireball, and he's replaced the windmill kick with a kind of flip kick that is faster and more of a hop. He also has a throw move that has him shoot in at the opponent. He can also parry (like all SF3 characters) I don't know if that's gonna get taken as a game mechanic and disregarde though (I'm certainly not gonna consider any "this guy is stuck in a 2-dimensional plane" style arguments).

[jedah_s]

well i figured the game mechanics were going to be thrown out. (but, i will argue until i piss everyone off, that a sidestep beats a fireball. fireballs do not track.)
i also figure we're also throwing out chipping/block damage. sf characters take block damage, tekken characters don't.

i would simply assume that ling, who has 6 different ways to sidestep in tekken, would be proficent enough at it for it to matter.
as for the parries... ling has two types of high parry, and a low parry.

[Q99]

Sean, iirc, was one of the strongest of the new batch of SF3 characters. He should take this if Ling only has speed on her side.


I'd personally interpert the sidestepping thing as 'she can move fast and dodge well', btw.

[jedah_s]

overall her sidestepping ability works hand in hand with her fighting style.
she has two fighting styles, she can sidestep and throw out of both of them.
her fighting style also has moves for her to do while her back is towards the opponent, i don't know of any sf characters that have back turned moves....and with her speed and agility she's bound to wind up somewhere you didn't expect her.
if a sf character ends up backturned to her, she's better equipped to take advantage of it.

strength doen't mean as much if you can't land a hit.

[Rando]

Oh, I know who this is now. She's that chinese girl with the pig tails that looks kind of like a butterfly when she fights.

[icymatt]

I never really thought of game mechanics playing into the matches. I do agree with Q99, as I too would interpret the sidestepping as Ling being able to move fast and dodge well.

And in that respect, I would give it to Ling. She would be fast enough to just run around a poke Sean until he goes down. None of his moves were particularly fast, so I don't think he could counter with anything.

[SpakSpang]

I am voting for Ling Xiaoyu.

It is hard to blend these fighting characters into a TOC because their universes are drastically different.

However, this battle seems more straight forward. Sean has very limited range attacks, and now true fireballs.

He has about an average speed in the Street Fighter Universe...nothing too difficult to handle.


Ling Xiaoyu is a combo fighter. She has weak attacks but she is extremely fast and can chain those weak hits into devestating combos.

In the Tekken Universe they are known for extreme combos and extreme juggling techniques.

In this battle I see Ling dodging and then waiting for an opening. Once she has her opening she can win. Remember, Tekken characters also have insane throw manuevers that in reality would actually break bones, backs and possible kill people.

[icymatt]

While normally the styles wouldn't be compatible, remember we're trying to think of the matches being as universal as possible. So, Sean would also be able to anything in a normal 3D plain as any other character, which includes sidestepping and being able to turn around of his own accord. Of course, I still think Ling would win.

Also, if you think Tekken throws are insane, you haven't seen what the SF wrestlers can do.

[jedah_s]

if your worried about the sf wrestlers... you haven't seen king's new multi-throw in tekken 5.
not to mention the rolling death cradle.

[icymatt]

Okay, Q99, Rando, Jedah, anything else I need to clear up before you can vote? Just asking.

[jedah_s]

nah, put me on for xiaoyu.

[Q99]

Nope, I'm voting Sean. He still has some special moves outside Ling's experiance, and while not the fastest of the SF character, he wasn't a slow one either and should be able to get a good deal of hits on Ling, outlasting her attacks with his defense and much greater toughness.

[Magnito]

Well, as Jackgobang once said to me, I'll vote for yours if you vote for mine.:rolleyes:

Just Kidding.

I'll vote for Ling. Even though I'vs never played her game, she seems fast enough to dodge what Sean can dish out. My vote...
LING XIAOYU

[ca551u5]

I was assuming that in terms of the match, it would be similar to DTM's tourneys. That said, I'm voting Xiaoyu, patience and skill wins out over Sean's impulsiveness and rawness.

[Rando]

I'm going to vote for Ling too.

In terms of background and skill level, I think they are about equal, not real great but not terrible, so this match should be deceided primarily by mechanics.

as a Shoto style fighter Sean should be strong against fast, multi-hit characters, as the dragon punch especialy is designed to halt such things (as it big foots just about everything on priority and throws the opponent off you). However Ling's sidestep moves lead me to believe she is also a crossup fighter (that is a fighter designed to make the opponent think she is going to be in one place only to have her end up elsewhere), this style is particularly strong against Sean's as the moves he would use to counter Ling all have significant openings, so every time he misjudges Ling will punish him for it (and his moves don't move him far enough to get out of the threat range). In addition as a Tekken character Ling has no jumping abilites to speak of, this means she relys essentially exclusively on grounded means of approach, this hurts Sean more than her as he has moves more designed to halt jump-ins than ground based "shoot-ins". The reverse isn't really true, as Sean isn't an above average air guy, so he isn't really in a position to punish her relatively weak air defense (where'as more aerial based fighters would).

as a note on mechaincs icy, be aware that Guilty Gear has fatalies, and not end of the match Mortal Kombat fluff, you can throw them in the middle of the match, and they kill your foes instantly if they land. In Guilty Gear 1, they could be thrown limitlessly, and easily, and they couldn't be blocked, in X you have to switch to "fatality mode" which can only be maintained for a limited period, and if you missed or were blocked you couldn't do it again. Consider yourself warned.

[ca551u5]

I mentioned Destroyers in the nomination thread, and as I understand they come under the "plot device" rule, that is, they aren't allowed in the tourney.

After all, without the Plot Device rule, then Ky could just "open" the Thunderseal, and if they're fighting beneath an open sky, then the fight's over. Or Akuma could just let fly with Kongo Kagaretsuzan every match.

[icymatt]

So far:
Ling Xiaoyu - 5
Sean - 1

[shadow_cat55]

I'm going to have to vote Xiaoyu as well. She's just too fast and I don't think Sean can handle her. If you've ever played Tekken then you know that the main things you have to avoid when fighting her are her sidesteps and juggle-moves. I've beaten people with Xiaoyu and they never even touched the ground. Sean can't fight back if he's in the air half the time.

Xiaoyu for the win!

[shadow_cat55]

So did we like give up on this thread?

[icymatt]

Well, I think all interested parties have voted. I didn't expect this to be huge, I'll probably will only get 7 votes a match in total. But hopefully it might pick up steam.

[icymatt]

Ling-7
Sean-1

Please note: Tonight is the last night for voting in matches 1-4. Tomorrow morning I will post Match 5, and all voting in 1-4 will be closed. So, if you haven't voted yet, get it done tonight!

[icymatt]

This match is closed. Ling advances to round 2.