Star Trek: Return to the Mirror Universe

[Wyldstaar]

Star Trek: Enterprise gets canceled, and they've only got a half dozen episodes left in the season. The producers quickly realize that they can't possibly tie up the entire storyline in those episodes, and since all the fans hated thier silly 'Temporal Cold War', what's the point in finishing it anyway?

So they've dumped the whole thing, and created a storyline that takes place in the past of the infamous Mirror, Mirror Universe from the original series. Even the opening credits are different, and reflect the twisted new history that took place there. IMHO, it's awsome. Unfortunately, it's a case of too little, too late. Most Trek fans aren't watching anymore, so they aren't even aware that this is what the show's remaining episodes have been converted to.

I can't really blame them for going this route? They've got nothing to lose, so why not go out with a bang? Do some really memorable final episodes so that we'll clamor for yet another series after this one.

[j-pop]

I gave up on Enterprise early on. I did catch the Mirror Universe episode this weekend totally by accident. It was a good show, I'll be looking for part 2 next weekend.

Your right, it's too little too late but at least going out big!

[lancelot]

Give up? And you call yourself a Trekkie? Meh, go and watch some more Buffy, traitor.

Thick and thin, good and bad, I stuck with Enterprise. That's what it takes to be a Trekkie...I didn't miss a single show. People like you, j-pop, doomed Star Trek.

Thanks a lot.

[charlesx]

I watched the whole first season of Enterprise, then had to drop watching due to graduate school, etc. I have just recently tuned in for the last few episodes. The Mirror Universe one ROCKED! I guess I am back for the end of the series, but then again I might wind up buying the seasons on DVD as they come out. Bummer that Enterprise didn't last as long as TNG. I thought it was better than most of DS9 and all of Voyager (IMO to date the sorriest excuse for a Star Trek series.) Farewell, Enterprise. We hardly knew ye... (cue grand finale music from closing scenes of "Wrath of Khan.")

[Diablo4485]

Originally posted by King Doom
Give up? And you call yourself a Trekkie? Meh, go and watch some more Buffy, traitor.

Thick and thin, good and bad, I stuck with Enterprise. That's what it takes to be a Trekkie...I didn't miss a single show. People like you, j-pop, doomed Star Trek.

Thanks a lot.

Dude, lay off. I'm a Trek fan too, but I'm also a fan of good television. I watched Enterprise through its first season and for most of the second, and it pains me to say that from where I sat those two ideals were not one in the same.

Now, if you think that Enterprise was worth toughing your way through the bad stuff in order to get to the quality episodes, more power to ya. But that's no excuse to lash out at people for expressing opinions different from yours. After all, it takes all kinds, and isn't that what the central message of Star Trek is?

[AZS]

Star Trek getting canceled has as much to do with UPN as it does with the show.

Many critics said that the current season (4) was a turning point for Enterprise, and praised a lot of the episodes.
Enterprise also still does better than competing shows on Sci-Fi in the same time slot. But where Sci-Fi not only renewed Stargate, but also spun it off to 'Atlantis', UPN is pulling the plug on Enterprise.

However, look at past treks. Both The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 took a couple seasons to get their footing (DS9 is IMHO the best Trek, and it didn't get good until at least season 4). And Voyager never got good at all, and that lasted 7 seasons.

Its too bad for Enterprise, its a show with real promise that just found its footing too late.
It doesn't help that its on UPN, possibly the worst station for show longevity. I frankly don't know why anyone will bother to watch anything on UPN next season, since they've pretty much proven that they'll dump most of their shows after a season or 2.

[lancelot]

Originally posted by Diablo4485
Dude, lay off. I'm a Trek fan too, but I'm also a fan of good television. I watched Enterprise through its first season and for most of the second, and it pains me to say that from where I sat those two ideals were not one in the same.

Now, if you think that Enterprise was worth toughing your way through the bad stuff in order to get to the quality episodes, more power to ya. But that's no excuse to lash out at people for expressing opinions different from yours. After all, it takes all kinds, and isn't that what the central message of Star Trek is?

Yes, Trek encourages encompassing thinking, independent of those that seek to control them.

My point in my post was: if us Trekkies were to clamor for a better or new show, we'd need to back it up with the ratings. We cant go off and whine how Enterprise sucks if you HAVE NOT been watching the episodes...then the ratings plummet and we still whine. Paramount and UPN are going to say...what ratings, what fanbase?

So there...our own ilk doomed the show...save for me and my pal.

[pthgar]

I watched every episode of Enterprise. Voyager was horrible most of the time but was on air for a long time, because the fans watched it. Enterprise was done in before it started because some "trekkies" prejudged a "throwback" episode. Lot's of whining about "The ship souldn't look like that!" or "Klingons weren't encountered then!" If the fans had given it a fair chance Enterprise would still be around.

[j-pop]

I've re-read my post (I encourage you KD to do the same). I see no mention of my being a Trekkie. I see no mention that I ever watched an episode or movie of Star Trek prior to Enterprise. (I do like a good sci-fi story though. The Mirror Universe episode was one, the early Enterprise episodes were not.)

I post on the HCR, I open myself for criticism I accept that. I just want to encourage you to be careful with your assumptions when you do the criticizing. You do know what they say about assumptions don't you?

Pleasure meeting you on the realms.
Never Give Up! Never Surrender!

[Wyldstaar]

It's good to hear that I'm not alone. I know what I didn't like about ST: Enterprise, but what about the rest of you? What was it about the show that you didn't like? Was it the continuity issues? Was it the Temporal Cold War saga? Was it the Xindi saga? Maybe it was somthing entirely different? Inquiring minds want to know.

[lancelot]

for me, hell, i even enjoyed the Temporal Cold War thing, it was just a different spin on things. granted it went on 6 months too long, it could've wrapped up midway through season 3 and let the rest of season 3 focus on reparations and what we re getting now...for sure, year 4 would've not been the last.

but what i really disliked...were the whinings of trekkies saying that Enterprise shouldnt look like that and the sort...all i can say is...TOS was made in the 60's/70's with subpar budgeting, technology...but of course, the pop culture version of pre-TOS would come across technological.

im willing to bet if we remade TOS, it would show HUGE strides over the progress Enterprise/Archer made.

TOS was only shackled by their times, Enterprise freed by ours.

and for the life of me, i cant seem to understand why OTHER trekkers dont get it...*sigh*

[JasonVoorhees]

I dunno, I never liked Star Trek, as a whole, but I loved Voyager. (Not enough to shell out 100=Plus Per Season. . )

I dunno Star Trek was/is a little TOO into some of the Tech Aspects of the show, which made it a little slow for me to watch. But that's just me. . .I dunno I was just curious what some people's idea of Voyager was, I'veh eared it was the Red-Headed Stepchild of Trek. . .

[lancelot]

my personal preference of trek shows:

DS9 (hands down)
Voyager (i liked this Lost In Space version of Starfleet)
Enterprise (plot driven stories always rock)
TNG (generally one-shot episodes, a lot were great)
TOS (still cant get over the pastel colors...)

[dreadstar]

This cancellation really got to me....
I thought Enterprise was probably the freshest take on Star Trek in a LOONNNGGG time.
A few funny points stick out to me:
TNG's first two entire seasons were basically rewritten TOS plots. Seriously, go back and check it out. Yet, TNG got the chance to develop from there...and Enterprise didn't.
DS9 started out okay, but the premise worn thin quickly. To boldly stay on a space station and wait for trouble to come! Great idea, guys.
Voyager....bleh. Never interested me, and I gave them two seasons of my viewing time...the acting didn't match up with other ST shows and although some plots were well-written, the execution lacked.

Then came Enterprise.

This Star Trek was the ONLY one that constantly suprised me, in content and quality. The encompassing story arcs that ran for several episodes were GREAT!!! I felt like I was sitting down to watch a movie every time I watched an episode. Anyways, its truly sad that this show didn't get a chance to spread its wings more than a couple of seasons....if given time, this series would've surpassed TNG in status.

[lancelot]

Originally posted by dreadstar
....if given time, this series would've surpassed TNG in status.

it already has in my own book. there might be hope, though...but very unlikely...a channel like Sci-Fi picking up the last 3 seasons of Enterprise, but they've already written up the series finale...so very unlikely.

[Miraclo]

For me, and I should point out that the first three choices are very close; a slight shift of mood and/or a random selection of a few episodes and #1 could become #3, etc.:

1. DS9 (...though it took a while to get good.)
2.TOS (Ups and downs, but often novel ideas, especially for the time. Characters I connected with, even if they sometimes fell into unintentional self-parody. Fell apart in the third season, it honestly deserved to be cancelled though there was plenty of potential left. Very much a creature of its time, it carried many Cold War themes with it despite its message of unity.)
3.TNG (It took a couple seasons to begin to hit its stride, to get away from just copying TOS and develop more of an identity. Every season-bridging two-parter was solid for the first episode and stank in the second. Still, we saw real growth for nearly all of the characters. Sometimes too PC for anyone's good, this most often came through via Jean Luc Picard, who seemed better suited for an academic post and/or a diplomatic post.)
4. Enterprise (Got off on a bad foot with the "Faith of the Heart" theme, though the visual montage of mankind's climb towards the heavens was a great choice. Character choices seemed too themed/typed, and it was a devil of a time having anyone try to break out of them. Sultry she-Spock has generally been a bore, more of a plot device than a character. I often wished to see more scenes with Archer's dog than most of the rest of the cast.)
5. Voyager (Seven seasons and I hardly warmed to a single character. Latter seasons may as well have been titled The Janeway & Seven of Nine Girl-Power Hour.)

[Wyldstaar]

The thing I hated most about ST: Enterprise was the near total failure to exploit the possibilities of exploring the early relations between humans and the future members of the Federation. Things started out very promising in the first season, with the first contacts between the Klingons and the Andorians. Then the show got sidetracked, and it never got back to where it should have been. Instead, we are introduced to the Suliban (a species that is never mentioned in any previous ST series, yet has technology far superior to that of most other species?) and the Xindi (same problem as the Suliban), and spend most of the entire series dealing with these two species.

The thing I loved most about Enterprise was that it got back to basics in terms of storytelling. TOS solved every problem they faced the exact same way, the HUMAN way. That means a knock down, drag out fist fight or blowing something to bits. Then we got TNG, DS9, and Voyager. How do they solve their problems? Certainly not the human way, that's for certain. The crews of those series never encountered a problem that couldn't be solved though a complex technical modification of the main deflector array. They had no intention of actually destroying an enemy vessel just because it was ATTACKING THEM! Enterprise brought back the brawl, and it was about time! If Captain Archer had a disagreement with someone, he beat the carp out of him or blasted him out of the cosmos (as it should be).

[tbaron009]

I know a lot of people That I know yelled about it being flawed in the timeline. So and so did not have this, or Star Fleet did not have this that is why a few of my friends stopped watching this show. I watched it as a stand alone show. A kinda what if type thing. I never watched it thinking, I have never heard of these guys before. I enjoyed the show a lot. I loved the fight they had with the Borg and the tie in to the First contact movie. I will miss this show. I hope maybe someone runs in and saves it. I dont think that will happen. I just thought it was a good show with a nice cast and good stories.

[Cliff Stockton]

What I disliked about Enterprise most of all is what I've disliked about the past few Trek series and movies...

1)

Temporal anomalies always give me a headache! Too much time travel and/or alternate timelines. ( Not including Mirror, Mirror universe... )

2)

Over-Borged! Although, I must admit Enterprise did it in a cool way and didn't run the Borg into the ground like VOY.
Still, my least favorite of all series-spanning species.

Other:

I do agree that the new species Enterprise has met ( ie. Suliban and Xindi ) aren't my favorites for not even being known about in the "future" Treks. That makes no sense.

I do like how they tied in the Andorians and even a little mention of the Tellarites in an episode or two.

Overall, a good show by itself. I will miss it.

[Froggore]

first of all, i'm mostly a tng fan myself. i realy enjoyed most of ds9 and the first season or two of voyager and tos is classic.

ok for me, i just couldn't get past the theme song. i watched the first couple episodes and the show wasn't good enough to help me get past the theme song. who the hell thought it was a good idea to make the theme song some lame guy singing and playing acoustic guitar??? where is my overture?? where is my orchestra and brass leading me to the final frontier??

the song just soured it for me whenever it came on. it made think i was about to watch a wb drama rather than a star trek episode.