View Full Version : Mavel/DC Team-Up:Round 1 Hero Match 8
Maniac_nmt
04/27/2005, 23:02
Well Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the last match for the hero bracket this round. Make sure you vote in Matches 5 through 7 as well. Once this match is over, Round 2 will begin and our first 8 teams will be cut. Don't let your favorite team miss out on later rounds because you forgot to vote. Only you can decide who moves on, and who goes home.
For our final match of Round 1 I give you a total slobber knocker of a fight, and one that should hopefully end the round on as high a note as it came in.
Team 1
Kyle Rayner and Captain Britain
vs
Team 2
Silver Surfer and Power Girl
*For purposes of this tourney, consider Captain Britain to be operating as if he were in England, regardless of terrain location*
Match Locale:
Stark Munitions Facility
The empty deserts of New Mexico serve as an ideal spot for the testing and development of new military weapons. Teams start in the bluffs surrounding the firing range and test grounds here. In the center is a large industrial complex full of all manner of high tech laboratories and machine shops. Most of the prototypes have been removed, but the particularly crafty individual might find some worthwhile tools here. Just don’t stay out in the sand to long, that desert is hot.
Rules of Engagement:
1. Fights are to the kill/ko
2. Teams start on opposite ends of the arena
3. Characters opperate as they would in their own comics/universes
4. 45 minutes prep time, but the arena may not be affected untill the buzzer
5. Characters may not leave the arena, or remove enemy characters from the arena
The Red Baron
04/27/2005, 23:28
Kyle takes this easily, he has enough creative to take down surfer and Britian is strong enough and smart enough to take Power Girl, who is just hit first ask later.
Tough one. I think Kyle, in the spirit of Kyle that can build imprison a sun or tow the moon, can do it. Britain and Power Girl is a more even fight in my opinion, so I think that Kyle will have to end it when he is finished, if he has any juice left
GoldenAge
04/28/2005, 00:30
This match-up is as close to a "bump" as I can imagine. I'm afraid that voting will be aligned along "party" lines.
So as a gesture I'm voting for Silver Surfer and Power Girl.
I'm basing this vote entirely on the 45 minutes of prep time. Personally, I believe that Power Girl and Captain Britain could pound on each other until the end of time. I also think that the GL's "Super Science" is totally equal to the "Power Cosmic".
In the end this one will come down to experience.
Power Girl has it over everyone. Next to her, Silver Surfer has the most experience. So… the two most experienced players win the day. (Experience... there, I said it again :cheeky: )
Maniac_nmt
04/28/2005, 08:34
Originally posted by The Red Baron
Kyle takes this easily, he has enough creative to take down surfer and Britian is strong enough and smart enough to take Power Girl, who is just hit first ask later.
To be fair to both Captain Britain, and Power Girl. Both characters are actually very intelligent people.
Power Girl had and ran her own software company, and CB is a somewhat accomplished scientist in and of himself.
For intelligence and knowledge, neither is the stereotypical brick.
Prof. Aragorn
04/28/2005, 11:06
Wow! Very equal fight . . .
In the end I'm voting for Kyle and Britain-prep time helps Kyle figure a plan with his imagination and I think he's more likely to manipulate the terrain to his choosing during the fight.
Vote: Green Lantern and Captain Britain.
Green Latern and Captain Britain on this one. I give the prep time advantage to Kyle.
I vote for silver Surfer and Power Girl.
Power Girl is more powerful than Britian. Surfer is much more dangerous than Kyle. Surfer's team outclasses Kyle's plain and simple.
I vote for the Surfer and Power Girl as well. Surfer in my mind can definately take Kyle, and PG will handle Britain long enough for Surfer to then come and help out, if she couldnt handle him alone.
My Vote - Silver Surfer and Power Girl
Maniac_nmt
04/28/2005, 14:47
Originally posted by DTM
I vote for the Surfer and Power Girl as well. Surfer in my mind can definately take Kyle, and PG will handle Britain long enough for Surfer to then come and help out, if she couldnt handle him alone.
My Vote - Silver Surfer and Power Girl
I think this may be one of the best match-ups we've had so far though.
Britain and PG are almost duplicates of each other. Smart, super strong, super tough, flight, some super speed, slightly arrogant.
While Kyle and Surfer are both fairly creative users of an amazingly powerful weapon/source
Phishead
04/28/2005, 15:49
SURFER BEAT KYLE IN MARVEL VS. DC!!!!!!!!11
I'm gonna vote for kyle and captain britain. I think that Kyle's creative power will help win this one.
Yeah Surfer beat Kyle but didn't Wolverine also beat Lobo (that was a bunch of BS).
Pez Halo
04/29/2005, 01:17
Kyle has NO chance against the Surfer. Surfer is in a league beyond other SHW's IMHO. Anything Kyle can do, Surfer can do, and Surfer is plain tougher, faster, and has been doing this far longer.
Team Surfer for the win, easy.
TheLostAvenger
04/29/2005, 02:35
Silver Surfer could do it alone. He can move faster (near the speed of light) tougher (can stand in the center of a super nova w/o breaking a sweat) and is just more powerful than almost anyone (excluding characters like Galactus). "He may even be able to create life" -Wizard Magazine. Don't believe me? See Wizards article on the top ten toughest heroes.
The Mad Titan
04/29/2005, 02:52
Surfer and Power Girl
Man, how is this even close? Kyle Rayner is like the number 4 or 5 GL (if even that), he doesn't have a prayer against Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by SyxxPac
Yeah Surfer beat Kyle but didn't Wolverine also beat Lobo (that was a bunch of BS).
Keep in mind that match and a few others were based solely on the votes of fans. The Surfer v Kyle battle with written by comic book writers, not by the fans.
Personally Im surprised Kyle is getting the win over Surfer by so many people here. Didnt we just have a Surfer v Hal Jordan thread not long ago (by thugit I believe) and this was the new No Yellow Weakness Hal, and Surfer still beat him. And Im definately not giving Kyle more props than Hal.
Surfer > Hal > Kyle.
I'm going on surfer on this one. In my opinion, Surfer will hand Britian his but, while power girl ties up GL. GL won't beat down power girl nearly as quickly. Surfer most likely could handle GL alone, but with the added help of power girl, Gl has no chance.
Prof. Aragorn
04/29/2005, 15:07
I'd rank Kyle as an even or slightly under Hal in terms of power. Kyle's ring is the old Parralax ring or something-it doesn't need to be charged or suffer from yellow. Also Rayner is really creative when it comes to the ring.
I'd rank Kyle and Norrin as equals in terms of power. Both possess a power level beyond others. Both don't really push their cosmical power everywhere. Both don't routinely show their strength. The only reason I'm giving it to Kyle over the shiny one is that 45 minutes Kyle can use to become uber creative and the fight he'll manipulate the terrain more than Norrin. Surfer will probably just fly around taking shots and absorbing damage. Kyle'll put on a show.
Even if Kyle and Surfers power level are the same, maybe maybe not, Surfer still has the edge in reflexes (vastly superhuman reflexes to Kyles still human), strength (hes as strong as a calm Hulk and can boost his strength to savage Hulk levels if he wished), toughness (GLs auras are not as strong as Surfers skin, and if Kyle wanted to boost his own with a super construct suit it means he wont be as powerful offensively, as hes concentrating already on his own armor) and endurance (Kyle is still human and while the ring will give him a good endurance boost, Surfer is an alien powered BY the Power Cosmic so Id definately say Surfer can outlast Kyle in any of their fights)
Even if they both had the same level of POWER, Surfer still has many advantages over Kyle or any GL.
Kyle's got creative problem solving skills huh. Funny, with who knows how much prep time Kyle and a bunch of other heros assaulted some minor league villians in the middle of the poker game and all of Kyle's creative might got him was needing to be saved from Deadshot.
Kyle is far weaker than Hal, in Rebirth Kilowaug beat the tar out of him. Kilowaug is weaker than Sinestro, who is in turn weaker than Hal, Kyle is far inferior. If you are a fan of the JLA/Avengers crossover there is a fight in there where frikkin Wonder Man is beating Kyle with absolute impunity.
Phishead
04/29/2005, 15:47
Originally posted by SyxxPac
Yeah Surfer beat Kyle but didn't Wolverine also beat Lobo (that was a bunch of BS).
sigh to hard to convet saracsm in text:noid: .
GoldenAge
04/29/2005, 18:37
One thing every GL with 45 minutes prep time has is the universal knowledge of Oa and the intelligence to put it to good use.
Under normal circumstances a GL (especially Kyle) doesn't talk to his/her/its ring. But, given the circumstances, this is the perfect time to ask the ring for stratagems, scans and probabilities of success.
The ring has god-like knowledge, understanding plus senses normal beings can’t even comprehend (transdimentional/time) and is able to put those things at the fingertips (literally) of any GL. Unfortunately, most GLs forget about the passive might of that little emerald gem.
Maniac_nmt
04/29/2005, 21:51
Originally posted by GoldenAge
One thing every GL with 45 minutes prep time has is the universal knowledge of Oa and the intelligence to put it to good use.
Under normal circumstances a GL (especially Kyle) doesn't talk to his/her/its ring. But, given the circumstances, this is the perfect time to ask the ring for stratagems, scans and probabilities of success.
The ring has god-like knowledge, understanding plus senses normal beings can’t even comprehend (transdimentional/time) and is able to put those things at the fingertips (literally) of any GL. Unfortunately, most GLs forget about the passive might of that little emerald gem.
Of course, the same could be said to be true of Silver Surfer using his 'cosmic awareness'.
Whats the score here Maniac?
Maniac_nmt
04/29/2005, 23:54
Currently
Kyle Rayner/Captain Britain - 5
Silver Surfer/Power Girl - 7
The Red Baron
04/30/2005, 00:12
what makes me sad is that pound for pound pre-rebirth (I hate that story, Hal sould've stayed dead, imo) Kyle was a better GL then Hal, I say this because Kyle not Hal had the will power to overcome what Hal did not, absolute power. But then again I grew up with Kyle not Hal so I like him better:p anyway Kyle is getting some harsh treatment here, i mean he has been shown to do things equal and better than other GL, time and time again. and saying he got beat my Kiliwog, lame that was a writers choice. But like most fights it comes down to the writers, like Gibbons who is going to do GL-Recharge who has said that Kyle isnt a real GL and doesnt have the qualities to be a GL but is a good enough man and has the will power to be one. anyway in my opinion Surfer has the edge in experience and only that.
Experience is the Surfers only edge againt Kyle?
What are your thoughts about my post above, #20?
The Red Baron
04/30/2005, 00:20
I read surfers comic line, he gets taken down by people with ray guns, that doesn't say alot for his power.
Maniac_nmt
04/30/2005, 01:44
Originally posted by The Red Baron
I read surfers comic line, he gets taken down by people with ray guns, that doesn't say alot for his power.
He's also single handed stood up to Galactus (not for long, but long enough).
The power cosmic lets him do almost anything a GL can do, plus a host of things a GL's ring can't (or at least not stuff we see it do).
Silly ray guns taking a guy once in a blue moon ranks up there with Deadshot and Deathstroke wasting Kyle like they were taking a walk in the park.
Deadpoolica
04/30/2005, 02:14
unless this is the Ion Kyle Rayner, which it's not... i'm going to have to vote Silver Surfer/Power Girl. Because as Silver Surfer would say, "you may have power, but I am power"
Originally posted by GoldenAge
One thing every GL with 45 minutes prep time has is the universal knowledge of Oa and the intelligence to put it to good use.
Under normal circumstances a GL (especially Kyle) doesn't talk to his/her/its ring. But, given the circumstances, this is the perfect time to ask the ring for stratagems, scans and probabilities of success.
The ring has god-like knowledge, understanding plus senses normal beings can’t even comprehend (transdimentional/time) and is able to put those things at the fingertips (literally) of any GL. Unfortunately, most GLs forget about the passive might of that little emerald gem.
Especially Kyle who didn't know his ring could talk until Rebirth number 1 or 2.
Originally posted by The Red Baron
I read surfers comic line, he gets taken down by people with ray guns, that doesn't say alot for his power.
Deadshot didn't even have a ray gun. Deathstroke was takeing him barehanded. Red Bee got Kyle's ring from him with a ray gun. Prometheus only had darts. Ra's goon squad had what barely qualify's as a ray guns.
As for it being writer's choice that Kilowaug took Kyle, well that writer was Geoff Johns, not some hack. I'll take his choices over most anyones.
The Red Baron
04/30/2005, 12:45
Rookie mistake/ the deathstroke fight was up to the writer, i say this because if the ring is said to work ONLY FOR KYLE how did it suddedly stop? because the writer wanted it to/ No one knew who Prometheus was and no one was prepared, dont no what happen with ra's/ Geoff Johns also killed Hal made Kyle and brought back Hal, most people say that at least one of these they hate.
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