Star Wars MW TOC Round 1 Match 3

[The Red Baron]

Well here we are the time has come to fine out who the best of the best is! This TOC is just like others except smaller so each match will be up for twp days and after every 2 matchs the voting will be closed for the pervious two. I would like to thank everybody who helped get this ready and would like to give a shout out to the don99 who is helping with the numbers.

LW Winner- Han "the luck machine" Solo

Here are the MW
Prince Xizor
Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM)
Bastilia KOTR
Tenel Ka
Jedi Killer (ROTS)
Aurra Sing
Jango Fett
Visas

Round One
Match One
Jango Fett vs Arrua Sing- Winner Miss Miss Sing
Match Two
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Jedi Killer- Winner Obi Wan (TPM)
Match Three
Prince Xizor vs Bastilla

Fighting in the
Naboo Swamp: Swamp lands on the planet of Naboo, Wild Kaadu run everywhere in this vast wetland. Unlike most swamps this one is brightly lit and full of life, teeming with animals and plant life. Many trees that grow here are 10-20 feet tall.


FIGHT!

[St. Cuthbert]

Bastilla? Who is that? No vote until we find out, but I'll bet the Prince can take him/her/it down.

[Showstoppa]

I think Prince Xizor's only shot a winning this is if they were fighting in his bedroom where he could set the mood and overwhelm Bastilia with his pheremones. :laugh: Xizor did almost have Leia under the right conditions but she finally overcame that and came to her senses. Plus Bastilia is much storger in the force then Leia was at the time and I think that would help her resist Xizor pheremones. After that, it's just one sweep of her lightsaber and this match is over. My vote is for Bastilia. :)

[Showstoppa]

Bastilla? Who is that? No vote until we find out, but I'll bet the Prince can take him/her/it down.


She is from KOTOR game. Here's a link to the SW databank with her info.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bastilashan/index.html

[SyxxPac]

Xizor doesn't have a chance against Bastilia

[Zaq]

Yeah, having read the bio, Bastilla takes it. Poor Xizor, he's going to get completely owned.

[The Red Baron]

whoa, whoa, whoa. Isn't she a little to powerful for a mw, i dont want to pull her yet but what do you guys think?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Round One
Match One
Jango Fett vs Arrua Sing- Winner Miss Miss Sing


I believe Jango actually leads by 5-4 on that one.

[thedon99]

Red Baron, I said that from the get go. She would beat the #### out of Xizor with ease. Really, it's how powerful you think of her from the game. I'm sure most of you have played it, and her powers near the end of the game get insane, once she's been leveled up.
Regardless, she is supposedly one of the most powerful Jedi Knights at the time, if not the most powerful, period. That Battle Meditation power she has is no joke, in addition to only the most powerful Jedi Masters having that power, few of them actually do. Darth Sidious had that power, it was rumored that he could lead his troops into battle from anywhere. It also supposedly exhausted him completely when doing so. Same with Jorus C'Baoth. In Timothy Zahn's trilogy, the clone of Jorus had that power, but when he used it, he was physically exhausted.
Based on that, she is more HW material. Red Baron it's your tournament, do what you will, I honestly think Obi-Wan TPM, that is, could give her an excellent fight, if not win.

[thedon99]

Jango is winning, Rokk is correct. I don't see how, but he did win.

[Showstoppa]

whoa, whoa, whoa. Isn't she a little to powerful for a mw, i dont want to pull her yet but what do you guys think?


Well if you look at the entire MW class I think their all pretty close with the exception of Prince Xizor. He should probably be a lightweight, he's more of a commander than a one on one fighter. I'm not sure who Tenel Ka is, any info anyone can give on her would be appreciated.

I would say Jango, Aurra, Bastilia, Visas, and Kenobi (TPM) are pretty close and deserving of a MW. I can't see any of those taking on the likes Yoda, Mace, Vader, Dooku, or Maul who are all Heavyweights IMO. Bastilia is good but I think she's fine where she is. It's Prince Xizor who's probably out of his weight class.

Since the lightweights are already done, it's probably to late to change anything now. That and I'm eager to get done with the middleweights so we can move to the heavyweights. ;) I also think more people will start posting for these matches once we get the popular heavyweights in here that everybody has heard off like Yoda and Vader. It's been kinda of a ghost town in here since the Aurra/Jango fight. :disappoin Maybe the next few MW matches will bring some people back. :)

[Showstoppa]

I don't think Bastilia's Battle Meditation is that big of factor in a one on one battle. It's more of a commander ability for the troops.

[GAMURAI]

Bastilia for the win. Who are going to be the shw's?

[DTM]

I think many people here are short changing Prince Xizors fighting ability. In the novel he was using his energy fan blades with Incredible ability and was an Amazing martial artist. He was so good it was a wonder why he needed his HW level bodyguard/robot Guri at all. Add that to his universal level genius and tactical ability, and I definately say hes a MW force to be reckoned with.

Not saying he can beat Bastilla, whom I dont know and many people here believe her to be near SHW level.

[Showstoppa]

I think many people here are short changing Prince Xizors fighting ability. In the novel he was using his energy <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&k=fan%20blades" onmouseover="window.status='fan blades'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">fan blades</a> with Incredible ability and was an Amazing martial artist. He was so good it was a wonder why he needed his HW level bodyguard/robot Guri at all. Add that to his universal level genius and tactical ability, and I definately say hes a MW force to be reckoned with.

Not saying he can beat Bastilla, whom I dont know and many people here believe her to be near SHW level.

I'm trying to short change Prince Xizor or anything like that. I just felt that if we had Han and Chewy are in the lightweights, he might be closer to their level than some of the middleweight jedi that are listed here.

I can see why some people would cosider Bastilia a heavyweight, but when I think of the people that might be in the heavyweights I don't think she can hold up. I just don't think she's in the same league with guys like Yoda, Dooku, Mace , and other heaveyweights of that caliber. IMO, I think that someone like Darth Malik would be a heaveyweight from KOTOR. More so than Bastilia. Just my opinon. :)

[The Red Baron]

i will fix the Jango fett deal to night before STARWARS III yes!!!! I hearing alot of people say that bastilla is to powerful for a middle wieght, I having not played the game yet though bastilla was the piliot guy (yea bad mistake on my part) so i didnt know who she was at the time. Inless some one can come up with a good reason why she should stay i think she needs to be pulled.

[Rokk_Krinn]

There's another possible option - move Bastilla to HW and move General Grievous down from SHW to HW. Based on his showing in the second season of the Clone Wars toon, the General doesn't belong in the SHW category but is ideal for the HW's. That'll help even up the numbers in the HW grouping.

[The Red Baron]

Are you crazy the General is a shw, sure in the cartoon mace windu almosst kills him but in the book that takes the story right up to the beginning of the movie General G. is the one who beats Mace Windu. and in the cartoon he already is shown to beat several jedi and that includeds council members, no the general is a shw, inless i am confused about the whole thing. And if i moved bastilla up and general g down wouldnt that give us 18 hw and 15 shw?

[DTM]

Are you crazy the General is a shw, sure in the cartoon mace windu almosst kills him but in the book that takes the story right up to the beginning of the movie General G. is the one who beats Mace Windu. and in the cartoon he already is shown to beat several jedi and that includeds council members, no the general is a shw, inless i am confused about the whole thing. And if i moved bastilla up and general g down wouldnt that give us 18 hw and 15 shw?


I wouldnt consider Grevious in the same class as Mace, Dooku, Yoda, Emperor, Vader or pretty much any SHW from either his appearances in the cartoon or the movie. (which I have seen last night) hes good and quite intimidating, but considering who kills him in the film, I doubt hes at the SHW level.

[thedon99]

Showstoppa, Yoda, Sidious, Dooku, Vader, ROTS Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, those guys are SHW. Bastilla isn't as good as those guys by any means. Considering Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time she is by no means in his league. Grievous, in my opinion, is SHW material. He is close to the SHW, and more powerful than most Jedi one on one. Not Yoda or Obi-Wan mind you, but most. He is an extremely powerful Dark Jedi, and I'm guessing Lucas doesn't show his Force powers because he doesn't need them. He is more than most can handle h2h.
HW category includes very powerful Jedi like Kit Fisto and Aayla Secura. Yaddle, Plo Koon, are either high end HW's or SHW. See the difference now? I think most people are saying Bastilla is a HW not a SHW. You're right, her battle meditation isn't a great power one on one, but the point is that few Jedi or Sith Masters can use that power, and it says something of her abilities overall, she's a Jedi Knight, and she has that power. That's how good she is.

[thedon99]

I can also see Grievous as a high end heavyweight, but unless he's fighting Yoda, Mace Windu, or Obi-Wan, he'd most likely win. I personally think Yaddle or Plo Koon can take him, but they are in as SHW anyway. We moved the best Jedi and Sith into the SHW category to have enough. I think that is going to be by far the best weight class to vote on.

[thedon99]

Based on that, Grievous is SHW material. He's close to the SHW , like Obi-Wan and the likes.

[Showstoppa]

Showstoppa, Yoda, Sidious, Dooku, Vader, ROTS Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, those guys are SHW. Bastilla isn't as good as those guys by any means. Considering Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time she is by no means in his league. Grievous, in my opinion, is SHW material. He is close to the SHW, and more powerful than most Jedi one on one. Not Yoda or Obi-Wan mind you, but most. He is an extremely powerful Dark Jedi, and I'm guessing Lucas doesn't show his Force powers because he doesn't need them. He is more than most can handle h2h.
HW category includes very powerful Jedi like Kit Fisto and Aayla Secura. Yaddle, Plo Koon, are either high end HW's or SHW. See the difference now? I think most people are saying Bastilla is a HW not a SHW. You're right, her battle meditation isn't a great power one on one, but the point is that few Jedi or Sith Masters can use that power, and it says something of her abilities overall, she's a Jedi Knight, and she has that power. That's how good she is.


Ok, I didn't realize there were 2 different heavyweight classes. I assume SHW means super heavyweight class with the likes of Yoda, Dooku, Mace, etc. In that case I do agree that Bastilia is a HW with people like Aayla and Kit.

Grievous is kind of inbetween SHW and HW. He might be one of the top notch guys is a HW class, but could be one of the first one's out in a SHW class. If he can handle him self against several jedi knights in the clone wars series he would probably be better suited for the SHW class.

Do you guys already have the SHW and HW classes set up?

[The Red Baron]

Make sure you guys vote in the starwars team battle i have going on.

[The Red Baron]

I am going to give Xizor the win, becasue Bastilla should've been a heavy wieght, stay tune though, match 4 will be up in a little bit.

[The Red Baron]

I am sorry match four is taking so long, it will be up tomorrow.

[Showstoppa]

Anybody know waht's going on this thread? It's being a while since anyone posted. Are we just skipping the MW class or what?