View Full Version : The Post-RotS Star Wars Thread: No Haters!
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 09:37
Okay. For starters, if you didn't like RotS, if you're still a bitter little fanboy that Lucas didn't use the script you toiled over for hours in your basement, if you just can't get over how much you liked Empire, then this thread is not for you. This thread is for the Star Wars fans who loved RotS, and have fallen back in love with the series. It's for the fans to geek out over the film (and it's affect on the other films) and debate over its finer points.
If you want to bash the film or argue why you feel it stunk, there's at least two other threads for that, and I'll be happy to debate the point with you there. Just have some consideration and leave this thread alone. K? Love you, buh-bye. :)
Now, onto the meat of this thread. RotS. The last link in the Vader saga. Personally, it was more than I hoped for. Of course, after my dissapointment with Episodes I & II, I wasn't hoping for much beyond Lucas NOT having Obi-Wan pass gas or something. Thankfully, this film hit the nail on the head and delivered more than I expected. I never expected to see Palpatine do anything other than lurk and be menacing, but lo and behold he came out swingin' that lightsaber like a pro.
I'll start things off with two points. First up is the whole 'balancing the Force' thing. How exactly does one 'balance the Force'? Is it purely a numbers game? If so, then Anakin did exactly that, because by the time we get to A New Hope, the only (acknowledged) Force users are Vader and Palpatine on the Sith side, and Yoda and Kenobi on the Jedi side. That seems a bit...simple, though. What else could constitute Anakin 'balancing the Force' in any way?
Second Point: This film makes the first two prequels far more watchable. At least, I think it will. I watched Attack of the Clones on TV last night, and knowing where everything is headed made it a LOT more digestable. I could even stomach Hayden's acting, though the Anakin/Padme love scenes were still akin to poking myself in the eye over and over.
So, there you go. Lets hear from the fans that RotS took from their seats, punched their faces in with its awesomeness, and then left them grinning toothlessly for more.
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 12:35
Yeah I loved it so muc, I'll be back in the theatre a 3rd time sometime this week.
I was thnikng of starting a thread like this, mainly for unanswered questions, and for their discussion.
1.) I'm troubled by the whole Force ghost effect now. It's clear that Qui-Gon is the first known Jedi to ascend to that level of existence. He trains Yoda and Obi-Wan (presumably, based on what Yoda stated) how to do it. So the question becomes, how/when did Anakin/Vader learn this? Also is this one of those Jedi only capabilities? Doesn't seem to me that Anakin deserved this ability.
2.) This one has been bugging the carp out of me, since I saw ROTS the first time: Who erased Kamino from the Jedi archives? They made such a point of brining attention to it in ATOC, and never touched on it in ROTS (which I fully expected then to).
You know, you never realize how much emotion this movie hits on, till you start trying to wath the others, particularly the original trilogy.
Anakin goes through an emotional demolition through out the movie, hitting all kinds of peaks and valleys.
In ANH..Luke really seems only slightly saddened by Owen and Beru's deaths, briefly, and tends to show more grief by Ben's "death"; but it too is cut off when they have to fight of the TIE fighters.
Also, when Alderaan is destroyed by the Death Star , Ben shows more emotion that Leia, and it's her home planet.
Great Stuff! Yeah ROTS!
St-Dumas
05/23/2005, 12:42
RotS was awesome. Soon as the "Long time ago" message appeared on the screen, some kid in the theatre yelled out, "My life is complete!".
I'm just one of many who watched the Clone Wars toon and didn't think that RotS did justice to General Grievous and his awesomeness. That's my only complaint.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 12:42
I think that Palpatine or Dooku were responsible for the erasure of Kamino. Both had access to the Jedi Archives and were slick enough to pull it off.
As for the Force Ghost thing, I would think Vader figured it out at some point. Don't forget that Anakin's weakness, the flaw that made him so vunerable to the Dark Side was his desire for power, specfically the power to achieve and grant immortality. If he didn't figure out the Force Ghost thing before he killed Kenobi, I'm sure he did afterwards.
Also, we don't know if it's possible for a Jedi who's become one with the Force to lead another Jedi into...wherever they go.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 12:43
I'm just one of many who watched the Clone Wars toon and didn't think that RotS did justice to General Grievous and his awesomeness. That's my only complaint.
I totally agree. Grievous was one of my favorite characters in the whole SW series, and RotS didn't have him kill even one Jedi.
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 12:46
I loathed the first two prequels and like "Revenge of the Sith." It contained all the plot points that mattered, so I can now pretend the other two films don't exist. "Revenge" can go next to the OT on the DVD shelf without shame.
Prof. Aragorn
05/23/2005, 12:48
Eh, the dialogue is some of the worse I ever heard, but hey the fight scenes rivaled that of Darth Maul hisself.
I thought the movie was overall good and tied everything well. I just wish they didn't have to make the first too rather horrid in order to deliver the awesomeness of Revenge of the Sith.
I still think Empire is one of the best ones, but Revenge is really close.
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 12:51
I think that Palpatine or Dooku were responsible for the erasure of Kamino. Both had access to the Jedi Archives and were slick enough to pull it off.[quote]
I was thnking more on the Syfo Dius angle. Though I believe that it was either Dooku or Palpatine, I would've liked some confirmation, is all.
[quote=FoxInStocks]As for the Force Ghost thing, I would think Vader figured it out at some point. Don't forget that Anakin's weakness, the flaw that made him so vunerable to the Dark Side was his desire for power, specfically the power to achieve and grant immortality. If he didn't figure out the Force Ghost thing before he killed Kenobi, I'm sure he did afterwards.
Also, we don't know if it's possible for a Jedi who's become one with the Force to lead another Jedi into...wherever they go.
It's possible, but it just seems like one of those disjointed things.
There was apart of the original script that was leaked, where Yoda allegedly assumes the role of Qui-Gon's apprentice, just for the purpose of learning that.
So who knows. :confused:
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 12:51
Eh, the dialogue is some of the worse I ever heard.
If I hear this one more time, I'm going to scream. The dialouge in ALL the SW films has been lame.
"Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench the moment I came on board!"
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 12:52
Did I mention how much it sucks not being able to edit? :(
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 12:55
If I hear this one more time, I'm going to scream. The dialouge in ALL the SW films has been lame.
"Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench the moment I came on board!"
Agreed!
And people who complain about Anakin's whining, fail to mention Luke's incessant whining.
"But I was going to go to the Toshi station to pick up some power converters."
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 12:55
Here's a good one: WTF do you do as a Force Ghost? Apparently, it's now just Anakin, Qui-Gon, Kenobi, and Yoda hangin' around making sure Luke doesn't do anything stupid. :p
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 12:58
Agreed!
And people who complain about Anakin's whining, fail to mention Luke's incessant whining.
"But I was going to go to the Toshi station to pick up some power converters."
Yup yup.
Some people hold the OT in such high regard that they don't see how close it is to the prequels on so many levels.
The prequels (I and II) certainly had MANY flaws, but the bad acting/bad writing this is a weak argument. All the SW films suffered from that. Even Carrie Fisher (or maybe it was Ford) told Lucas that, 'you can write this stuff, but you can't say it'.
Here's a good one: WTF do you do as a Force Ghost?
Watching Han & Leia get it on? :p
ya, I had to go there. You knew someone was.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 13:10
Wait, if Anakin is there, then he's watching his daughter... :noid:
Wait, if Anakin is there, then he's watching his daughter... :noid:
Eeewww....How about Luke & Mara Jade?
hail_eris
05/23/2005, 13:39
Watching Han & Leia get it on? :p
ya, I had to go there. You knew someone was.
Err...have you seen Carrie Fisher lately? It's been almost a quarter century since she put on that slave girl costume. Even ghosts have their standards...
Err...have you seen Carrie Fisher lately? It's been almost a quarter century since she put on that slave girl costume. Even ghosts have their standards...
Could be worse, could be Bea Arthur.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:05
Err...have you seen Carrie Fisher lately? It's been almost a quarter century since she put on that slave girl costume. Even ghosts have their standards...
That's what the RotJ DVD is for. Repeated viewing of slave Leia goodness!
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 14:07
Am I the only one that disregards all non-film/script/novelization SW stuff as far as "canon" goes?
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:09
Nope. I generally consider anything outside of the films and Clone Wars to be speculation.
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 14:13
Don't get me wrong, I love the Zahn trilogy. It was so good that the subsequent Truce at Bakura/Kevin J. Anderson stuff was utter garbage in comparison and stopped me dead from continuing with the "expanded universe."
Besides from Splinter in the Mind's Eye what other good books are there?
bootkneelee
05/23/2005, 14:18
Totally dug ROTS! Saw it again on Saturday with my girl [but the theater was cold and I kept nodding off] so I gotta go see it again! I'm one of the few who liked 1 & 2 and so 3 was the icing on the cake.
The kids and I poped in # 6 ROTJ and we went straightto the end toe see Hyden as the ghost as opposed tothe old fuddy duddy Anakin, before gettign ther we saw Luke throw down on his dad and I gotta tell you after watching #3 that light saber battle was weak...very weak... No here's my question, If Obi Wan died and went in to the Force as Sir Alec, why isn't Anakin old Anakin????? What purpose did it serve to change Anakin's ghost????? ANYONE? CNA ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION????
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:18
Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina is great, but the other 'Tales' books are utter carp.
bootkneelee
05/23/2005, 14:23
Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina is great, but the other 'Tales' books are utter carp.
C'mon Fox...answer my question about the Anakin GHost????????
hail_eris
05/23/2005, 14:25
Some of the West End sourcebooks were actually pretty good reads. And the two KotOR games were probably the best stories told in the SW universe since the Zahn books...
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 14:29
Good Star Wars stories
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
[AKA the Zahn or Thrawn Trilogy]
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:31
C'mon Fox...answer my question about the Anakin GHost????????
Lucas does crazy stuff sometimes. :)
bootkneelee
05/23/2005, 14:34
Lucas does crazy stuff sometimes. :)
My gosh....that makes total sense!!! here I was looking for some deep, deep, deep reason, and the whole reality is as great as Lucas is.... he's a loon!!!!!!
Thank you for putting it all in perspective!
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:36
It's the same reason that made him decide that Greedo shoots first, or that Lak Sivrak didn't really appear at the Cantina.
By the way, gang, I need $450 right now: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=7126
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 14:40
Lucas does crazy stuff sometimes. :)Ahem. Remember how the Ewoks smoke pipes of something? Therein lies your answer . . .
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 14:43
He smokes Ewoks?
Gentlegamer
05/23/2005, 14:46
. . . and eats Wookie Cookies.
bootkneelee
05/23/2005, 14:59
By the way, gang, I need $450 right now: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=7126
That is sweet.... not 450 dollars sweet, but sweet none-the-less!
My buddy said that in the DVD they'll have the scene where Anakin slaughters the younglings...that alone will be worth the cost of the DVD!!!!
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 16:24
Totally dug ROTS! Saw it again on Saturday with my girl [but the theater was cold and I kept nodding off] so I gotta go see it again! I'm one of the few who liked 1 & 2 and so 3 was the icing on the cake.
The kids and I poped in # 6 ROTJ and we went straightto the end toe see Hyden as the ghost as opposed tothe old fuddy duddy Anakin, before gettign ther we saw Luke throw down on his dad and I gotta tell you after watching #3 that light saber battle was weak...very weak... No here's my question, If Obi Wan died and went in to the Force as Sir Alec, why isn't Anakin old Anakin????? What purpose did it serve to change Anakin's ghost????? ANYONE? CNA ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION????
So Lucas did change it on the DVD? So the ghosts at the end are of Yoda, Guiness, and Hayden? Haven't picked these up yet, so I haven't really seen them.
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 16:26
Am I the only one that disregards all non-film/script/novelization SW stuff as far as "canon" goes?
No. Anything outside of the movies, means absolutley nothing to me.
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 16:28
. . . and eats Wookie Cookies.
Is that anything like a cow patty? Ewwww :confused:
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 16:33
The DVD Special Editions:
A New Hope
- Greedo still shoots first, and they screwed with the animation a little. Fact is, is still looks like Han is doing a Mr. Fantastic act to dodge the blast.
- They made the CGI Jabba look more like TPM Jabba.
Empire Strikes Back
- I don't think anything was changed save for them replacing Boba Fett's voice with Jango's from ATOC. Not something to cry over, but I miss the ol' gravely, 'He's worth a lot to me!'
Return of the Jedi
- Hayden replaced Old Anakin. Stupid change, really. Yoda is old. Kenobi is old. Anakin is...young? George, we understand that Anakin in Episodes I - III is the same Anakin in Episode VI. We understand this is a series. Give us a little credit here.
- The awesome Ewok 'Jub Jub' song is gone. I think this was done in the original SE treatment, but I don't remember it at all.
hail_eris
05/23/2005, 16:37
Mock the format if you wish, but all my laserdiscs have the original versions in fully digital, letterboxed, Dolby-enhanced glory. Take that DVD!
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 16:41
I envy you, Eris. :(
thedon99
05/23/2005, 16:42
Good Star Wars stories
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
[AKA the Zahn or Thrawn Trilogy]
In addition to those, I like The Cortship of Princess Leia, with the Dathomir witches. Gethzerion is ####ing bad ###. She hands Luke a sound beating, and Han for that matter.
I also like The Jedi Academy Trilogy. Nice information on Exar Kuhn and the history of the Sith.
Darth Sabre
05/23/2005, 16:43
Mock the format if you wish, but all my laserdiscs have the original versions in fully digital, letterboxed, Dolby-enhanced glory. Take that DVD!
It's funny. My wife wanted to watch ANH yesterday, and I gave her the option to see it before or after the changes. She of course, chose the latter. :(
Scary thing: Lucas made a statement that he will only be satisfied with the original trilogy..when he's dead. So have we truly seen the last of the changes?
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 16:44
I hate almost anything written by Kevin Anderson. So that's right out. The Dark Horse 'Tales of the Jedi' series was okay. The stories and characters were pretty good, but they totally lacked any sort of 'Star Wars' feel at all.
'Courtship' was alright, and I never actually read the entire Zahn series.
Shadows of the Empire was okay too.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 16:46
It's funny. My wife wanted to watch ANH yesterday, and I gave her the option to see it before or after the changes. She of course, chose the latter. :(
Scary thing: Lucas made a statement that he will only be satisfied with the original trilogy..when he's dead. So have we truly seen the last of the changes?
I have, because now I have them on DVD so I shouldn't have to buy them ever again. Or, at least until the next generation of multimedia arrives. :cheeky:
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 17:05
Oh, I didn't care for the Dark Empire stuff either. Not that the story itself was bad, but I didn't like the writing or the art at all.
thedon99
05/23/2005, 17:12
You thought Courtship was all right? I liked it, but evryone has different opinons. Did you not read all of the Zahn trilogy because you didn't like it, or just never finished it? I personally think it's great. The Jedi Academy is not nearly as good as the others, but the info on Exar Kuhn is very interesting. I also like Kyp Durron, well, kind of, he's powerful though.
FoxInStocks
05/23/2005, 17:16
I liked the Zahn trilogy, I just never got around to finishing it. One day...
Exar Kun is the main villian in 'Tales of the Jedi', specifically 'Dark Lords of the Sith' and 'The Sith War'. It pretty much covers his Vader-esque fall from grace.
Prof. Aragorn
05/23/2005, 17:36
If I hear this one more time, I'm going to scream. The dialouge in ALL the SW films has been lame.
"Tarkin, I should have recognized your foul stench the moment I came on board!"
Oh yeah, I know it's trite to say it, but I honestly hated this dialogue. It's some of the worst of the six, which is pretty hard to do.
Perhaps I should have said the acting. The lines were pretty good, but it was the manner in which they were delivered (save for the kickass Chris Lee, awesome Ewan McGregor, and occasionally Ian McDiarmand) that I feel was worse than any of the Star Wars movies, though Attack of the Clones come in pretty close.
That was the only problem I had with the movie, besides that it was pretty good stuff. I just hate how it had to build up and make Episode I and II #### to make this one deliver better than ever before. The best thing about the original trilogy was that Empire Strikes Back was very good on its own, Return of the Jedi was pretty good by itself, and A New Hope is just excellent as standalone.
bootkneelee
05/23/2005, 17:54
Oh yeah, I know it's trite to say it, but I honestly hated this dialogue. It's some of the worst of the six, which is pretty hard to do.
Perhaps I should have said the acting. The lines were pretty good, but it was the manner in which they were delivered (save for the kickass Chris Lee, awesome Ewan McGregor, and occasionally Ian McDiarmand) that I feel was worse than any of the Star Wars movies, though Attack of the Clones come in pretty close.
That was the only problem I had with the movie, besides that it was pretty good stuff. I just hate how it had to build up and make Episode I and II #### to make this one deliver better than ever before. The best thing about the original trilogy was that Empire Strikes Back was very good on its own, Return of the Jedi was pretty good by itself, and A New Hope is just excellent as standalone.
Return of the Jedi was Prety Good by Itself? It blew Ewoks!!!!!!
Over all, 4 and 5 were awesome, 1, 2 and 3 were Awesome, the worst of the bunch was #6....little furry ewoks...what kinda carp was/is that????
QAnd you knwo not every movie can be Pulp Fiction were everythingthat comes out of the actors mouth is gold! Listen to some of the stuff you and your friends and co-workers say...
thedon99
05/23/2005, 17:56
I liked the Zahn trilogy, I just never got around to finishing it. One day...
Exar Kun is the main villian in 'Tales of the Jedi', specifically 'Dark Lords of the Sith' and 'The Sith War'. It pretty much covers his Vader-esque fall from grace.
If you can find the time to finish the Zahn trilogy, I think you'll be pleased. How much of it have you read? Grand Admiral Thrawn is a great villain, one of the best without the title of Sith Lord attached to the name or General Grievous, and C'Baoth is an interesting character as well. i think Zahn does a tremendous job allowing the reader to grasp the increase of power that Luke shows, as he grows into being very powerful. The Jedi Academy also does this well, as he starts his own Jedi Order. Since he becomes the most powerful Jedi of all time, I like to see his growth. The books are the only way to see this. At least until Episodes 7, 8, and 9 are made. I like Luke a lot more than I did in the movies based on the #### he does in the books. In fact, he has become one of my favorite characters from the original trilogy beacause of the books. I never cared for him until later on.
Prof. Aragorn
05/23/2005, 18:11
Return of the Jedi was Prety Good by Itself? It blew Ewoks!!!!!!
Over all, 4 and 5 were awesome, 1, 2 and 3 were Awesome, the worst of the bunch was #6....little furry ewoks...what kinda carp was/is that????
QAnd you knwo not every movie can be Pulp Fiction were everythingthat comes out of the actors mouth is gold! Listen to some of the stuff you and your friends and co-workers say...
Yeah, those things were a precursor to Jar Jar Binks, but the swashbuckling starting with Luke, Han, and Leia battling Jabba was pretty good. Not to mention the final confrontation between Luke and Vader, Son and Father, etc. etc.
Of course Return of the Jedi was pretty lame, but it's not Ultra-Kid-friendly Phantom Menace lame.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no hater of the franchise, its just Episode three had some of the worse acting/dialogue/etc. of all the Star Wars movies. The action was phenomenal, the concept, the tieing together everything, etc. it was all fantastic, but the acting sucked.
Natalie Portman I thought, did an impressive job in Episode II, she seemed emotional and could convey her lines well when Hayden Christensen hacked it up. But in this one, she seemed horrid.
I just couldn't be convinced by anyone other than Obi-Wan and Chris Lee that they were acting.
But we should just move on . . .
doctorfate77
05/24/2005, 01:33
Here's a really awesome version of the SW Theme...
http://xthost.info/AdamStrange77/Star%20Wars%20Theme%20-%20Swingle%20Singers.mp3
Gentlegamer
05/24/2005, 08:27
Excerpt from a Talkback at AICN:
"I was a little scared when Obi-Wan told Anakin that he loved him, but unlike Lord of the Rings where the male characters resolve emotional issues by giving each other backrubs and eating pints of ice cream by the campfire, Star Wars III wraps up the emotion in that scene by SETTING A QUADRUPLE AMPUTEE ON FIRE!!! If THAT ain't a man's movie, I dunno what is. "
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 09:30
Excerpt from a Talkback at AICN:
"I was a little scared when Obi-Wan told Anakin that he loved him, but unlike Lord of the Rings where the male characters resolve emotional issues by giving each other backrubs and eating pints of ice cream by the campfire, Star Wars III wraps up the emotion in that scene by SETTING A QUADRUPLE AMPUTEE ON FIRE!!! If THAT ain't a man's movie, I dunno what is. "
Hell yeah. That's Star Wars for you!
Here's a good one: WTF do you do as a Force Ghost? Apparently, it's now just Anakin, Qui-Gon, Kenobi, and Yoda hangin' around making sure Luke doesn't do anything stupid. :p
Like what, maybe make out with his twin sister?
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 09:53
You know, if I were Luke I would SO totally want to kick Kenobi's ### for not telling me that the chick I had the hots for was my freakin' sister.
Prof. Aragorn
05/24/2005, 10:22
You know, if I were Luke I would SO totally want to kick Kenobi's ### for not telling me that the chick I had the hots for was my freakin' sister.
That's why he let Darth Vader take him down . . .
I though Hayden Christensen's acting was much better in RotS. He did manage to smile a couple of times, and even laughed in the opening dogfight scene. Anything more than the perma scowl of AoC
would have been an improvemment.
Natalie Portman's role in ROTS was so minimal that she could have died in childbirth entirely off screen and I don't think anyone would have noticed. In this one she wears the perma scowl and comes off pretty leaden. I missed the Padme of old, blasting battle droids and figuring things out for her dumb Jedi boyfreind.
Ewan McGregor was awesome as Obi Wan. In the novellazation of RotS he is described as the ultimate Jedi who combines the best of the whole council. In the film he displays this pretty well.
Samuel L. Jackson delivers Mce Windu at his deadpan, never crack a smile best once again. Man, I hated that guy in Eps 1. How dare he oppose Qui Gon's suggestion that Anakin be trained? Boy was he right or what.
Ian McDiamird totally stole the show. It was way cool to see the Sith master actually do something other than skulk about plotting and planning.
The best lightsabre duel for me was the one between the Emperor and Mace Windu. The greatest swordman of the Jedi vs the master of the Sith, what more could you want? Mace totally kicked his @$$, if not for Anakin's filthy betrayal.
Yes some of the dialogue was lame in the prequels, but good grief, look at some of the shlock that came out of eps 4 and 6 (episode 5 being the blessed exception to the rule.)
There are times in RotJ that I'd swear I can actually see Carrie Fisher reading from a cue card like a TV weather girl.
Munchoboy
05/24/2005, 10:35
So Lucas did change it on the DVD? So the ghosts at the end are of Yoda, Guiness, and Hayden? Haven't picked these up yet, so I haven't really seen them.
Yup, poor Sebastian Shaw...pity him my fellows. He gets two scenes in the whole darn trology and then Lucas goes and whacks him out of 50% of them.
Even worse, David Prowse, the guy who actually wore the suit for the whole OT doesn't even get to be old Anakin?!?
I blame it all of those ewoks Lucas has reportedly been smoking... :confused:
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FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 10:44
How do you think The Guy That Did Boba Fett's Voice felt when all 4 of his lines were replaced by Jango Fett!?
Munchoboy
05/24/2005, 10:59
How do you think The Guy That Did Boba Fett's Voice felt when all 4 of his lines were replaced by Jango Fett!?
I hear you brother, I hear you...I mean there's continuity and then there is Lucas who has to beat you over the head with things to make sure you see the connection...poor Jeremy Bulloch as well!
All I know is that George can redo the OT as much as his fat, bearded, flannel wearing heart desires, I'm gonna edit my own copy of everything I liked! Take that "shooting-first Greedo"! :p
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FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 11:03
The thing that drives me crazy about Greedo Shoots First is how TERRIBLE it looks. Considering Lucas' obsession with things looking perfect, you'd think he'd hold off on that change until they can make it look...not edited. :p
Munchoboy
05/24/2005, 13:43
The thing that drives me crazy about Greedo Shoots First is how TERRIBLE it looks. Considering Lucas' obsession with things looking perfect, you'd think he'd hold off on that change until they can make it look...not edited. :p
No joke bro...but then again, nowadays I think George has a pretty warped idea of looking good wouldn't you say?
Between the aforementioned Greedo incident and the almost complete alienation of the Jim Henson Creature Shop so that EVERYthing has to be done with CGI, I gotta wonder what this guy thinks looks real, you know?
I cringe at the thought of how the new Inidana Jones film will look...
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FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 13:47
Personally, I'm not a big fan of CGI at all. I think it's a mediocre technology best used to ENCHANCE current effects, not replace them. Hellboy used CGI wonderfully with the digital 'eyelids' and gills that were added to the Abe Sapien costume.
Hulk showed us how NOT to use CGI. I still don't know what happened at the end of that movie. It was just one dark blob fornicating with another dark blob as far as I could tell.
Gentlegamer
05/24/2005, 13:49
Excellent summary of the scene at the end of Hulk!
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 13:52
I wish I was joking! I seriously have no clue what I was exposed to there.
Munchoboy
05/24/2005, 14:30
Hulk showed us how NOT to use CGI. I still don't know what happened at the end of that movie. It was just one dark blob fornicating with another dark blob as far as I could tell.
Aw man, warn me before you say something like that! I just did a spit take when I read that!
Stupid co-workers not seeing the humor in it... :rolleyes:
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I hear you brother, I hear you...I mean there's continuity and then there is Lucas who has to beat you over the head with things to make sure you see the connection...poor Jeremy Bulloch as well!
All I know is that George can redo the OT as much as his fat, bearded, flannel wearing heart desires, I'm gonna edit my own copy of everything I liked! Take that "shooting-first Greedo"! :p
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Jeremy Bulloch was in Ep III! He was the pilot of one of the ships (I forget where/when). He was seen from the back, but then turns to ask something.
Munchoboy
05/24/2005, 15:08
Jeremy Bulloch was in Ep III! He was the pilot of one of the ships (I forget where/when). He was seen from the back, but then turns to ask something.
Totally, but he'll always be the "Fett-Man" to me... :p
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supergoblin
05/24/2005, 15:12
You do relize that the 2 fornicating dark blobs where father and son?
Darth Sabre
05/24/2005, 15:20
Jeremy Bulloch was in Ep III! He was the pilot of one of the ships (I forget where/when). He was seen from the back, but then turns to ask something.
he was the Pilot on Bail Organa's ship.
Darth Sabre
05/24/2005, 15:30
You do relize that the 2 fornicating dark blobs where father and son?
Ewww....just ewwww! :speechles
supergoblin
05/24/2005, 15:38
Ewww....just ewwww! :speechles
this make the Luke, Leia thing look not that bad doesn't it?
this make the Luke, Leia thing look not that bad doesn't it?
Yeah, at least Leia's blobs were the type of thing guys are usually attracted to anyway.
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 16:07
I love that you had to throw 'usually' in there. :cheeky:
What? There are guys that I don't think have ever once had the "Mmm, boobies." thought that I find so commonly running through my head.
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 16:12
No, I'm saying that it's a strange day when you have to say something like that. I'm in the same boat you are, dude. :)
supergoblin
05/24/2005, 16:14
What? There are guys that I don't think have ever once had the "Mmm, boobies." thought that I find so commonly running through my head.
Actauly for me it's usauly Mmmm, buttox.
Actauly for me it's usauly Mmmm, buttox.
Meh. I've got buttocks. I'm more interested in the parts a girl has that I don't.
FoxInStocks
05/24/2005, 16:18
Too Much Information. Too Much Information.
Too Much Information. Too Much Information.
C'mon. You know that you, too, suffer from vagina envy.
supergoblin
05/24/2005, 16:22
when did this thread get so assinine?
I hope we're near the rear end of it.
when did this thread get so assinine?
I hope we're near the rear end of it.
I'm just testing out my new thread-jacking technology.
bagman04
05/24/2005, 16:36
i liked RotS. anakin is a douche but vader is cool. my friends really liked palpatine and grievous[sp?] who i thought was okay[grievous] but not real great. book wise i liked shadows of the empire a lot. what would be cool is if that was made into a cartoon[like clone wars] since it will never be made live action. and if lucas really wants to milk the franchise to a dry powdery bone, he could do a continuation of the star wars story after jedi in cartoon form as well.
Darth Sabre
05/24/2005, 17:44
Yeah, at least Leia's blobs were the type of thing guys are usually attracted to anyway.
Agreed! :cheeky:
Munchoboy
05/25/2005, 10:17
What? There are guys that I don't think have ever once had the "Mmm, boobies." thought that I find so commonly running through my head.
A-huh a-huh- huh......boobies!
Seriously though, how does everyone feel about the pacing of the movie? It was such an improvement over the last two IMHO and you could tell that there was a collaborative effort in directing this one (I know Spielberg helped out, heck you can even see it in some scenes!).
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FoxInStocks
05/25/2005, 10:23
I thought the pacing was fine. The one thing that did make it seemed rushed however was that Lucas really seemed to go all-out in trying to make us like Anakin before the fall, and so when the fall came his turning seemed...very abrupt. Though, if you watch all three Prequels you'll realize that Anakin's flaw, the weakness that made him easy picking for the Dark Side was his fear of loss...and his lust for the power to never lose anyone again.
Darth Sabre
05/25/2005, 14:20
I thought the pacing was fine. The one thing that did make it seemed rushed however was that Lucas really seemed to go all-out in trying to make us like Anakin before the fall, and so when the fall came his turning seemed...very abrupt. Though, if you watch all three Prequels you'll realize that Anakin's flaw, the weakness that made him easy picking for the Dark Side was his fear of loss...and his lust for the power to never lose anyone again.
Yeah, but people need to take a look at it, in the context of time. Palpatine had been working on Anakin for years, and his turn to the Dark Side began long before he sliced Mace's arm off.
He'd always had an anger problem. Remember when the Council told Qui-Gon that they weren't going to allow him to train Anakin? Take a look at how Anakin reacts. Also remember, when Obi-Wan Anakin were questioning Zam (IIRC, that was the shape shifting bounty hunter's name in Ep II), he became angry with her, when she wouldn't answer him right away.
By the time Ep III comes around, his darkness has already manifested itself, he's just struggling with what he wants to do, as opposed to what he's supposed to do. Palpatine has gotten to know him enough, as well has having knowledge of what's bothering Annie, to know which buttons to push.
His turn happened quickly in that movie, but in reality, his turn towards the Dark Side began when his mother died.
thedon99
05/25/2005, 15:55
Yeah, but people need to take a look at it, in the context of time. Palpatine had been working on Anakin for years, and his turn to the Dark Side began long before he sliced Mace's arm off.
He'd always had an anger problem. Remember when the Council told Qui-Gon that they weren't going to allow him to train Anakin? Take a look at how Anakin reacts. Also remember, when Obi-Wan Anakin were questioning Zam (IIRC, that was the shape shifting bounty hunter's name in Ep II), he became angry with her, when she wouldn't answer him right away.
By the time Ep III comes around, his darkness has already manifested itself, he's just struggling with what he wants to do, as opposed to what he's supposed to do. Palpatine has gotten to know him enough, as well has having knowledge of what's bothering Annie, to know which buttons to push.
His turn happened quickly in that movie, but in reality, his turn towards the Dark Side began when his mother died.
That's a great post Darth Sabre. Right on the money. Yeah, it seemed abrupt, for people who don't really know much about Star Wars. Hell, I was watching something about it on VH1, and those #######s were saying Darth Vader and his Galactic Empire. That's odd, especially since the Empire never was his. It never ceases to amaze me how people that want to make fun of Star Wars really have no ####ing clue what it's really about.
There was a small reference in ROTS where Palpatine tells Anakin it's not the first time, remember the Sand People. I think Lucas put that in to show his turning is not as abrupt as some people seem to think.
I think what really caused his fall to the Dark Side was seeing how dumb people truly were. I mean, c'mon ... they were mining lava. How could that not push you over the edge?
FoxInStocks
05/25/2005, 16:15
Hey, people bought pet rocks. There's a market for anything!
Yeah, at least Leia's blobs were the type of thing guys are usually attracted to anyway.
And the Hutts apparently. :eek:
I'm just testing out my new thread-jacking technology.
You stay the hell out of my specialty and I won't go trying to be "right" about everything.
K?
Gentlegamer
05/26/2005, 08:36
A Talkback at AICN:
Tell the Truth . . .
...When you saw the Emperor fling Yoda across the room with Force lightning, you started thinking of the Mini-Me showdown from Austin Powers: Goldmember. Gawd, what I wouldn't have paid to see his Imperial Highness stuff the Jedi Master in a bag and break a glass table with him...what could have been...
FoxInStocks
05/27/2005, 10:09
I found some funny bloopers in the OT recently. Here's the ones I remember off the top of my head:
In A New Hope: Watch the Stormtroopers when they run out of the control room after talking to the droids. One of them smacks his head on the rising door.
Empire: When the two Stormtroopers drag the tortured Han back to the cell, Han's arm catches under one of their helmets when they drop him. As the trooper turns around, you can see his helmet is about to fall off.
Jedi: Watch the scene where Boushh pulls the thermal detonator out. When Fett pulls up his blaster, his antenna is on the wrong side of his head. Later, it's back on the proper side.
thedon99
05/27/2005, 12:22
A Talkback at AICN:
Tell the Truth . . .
...When you saw the Emperor fling Yoda across the room with Force lightning, you started thinking of the Mini-Me showdown from Austin Powers: Goldmember. Gawd, what I wouldn't have paid to see his Imperial Highness stuff the Jedi Master in a bag and break a glass table with him...what could have been...
That is hilarious. Funniest #### I've seen in a while. I thought, on a more seious note, Sids should've force crushed him immediately following the force lightning, game over. Of course, the fans have to be happy, and people would cry if Yoda went down that easily.
hail_eris
05/27/2005, 12:54
In A New Hope: Watch the Stormtroopers when they run out of the control room after talking to the droids. One of them smacks his head on the rising door.
It's actually when they're on the way in - I think he's second back on the right. But, yeah - that one's a classic. My biggest worry for the re-releases was that they'd digitally fix "Low Bridge Stormtrooper". I, and the other former Bantha Tracks readers in the audience, breathed a collective sigh of relief when we saw that Lucas left it alone...
FoxInStocks
05/27/2005, 13:00
It's actually when they're on the way in - I think he's second back on the right. But, yeah - that one's a classic. My biggest worry for the re-releases was that they'd digitally fix "Low Bridge Stormtrooper". I, and the other former Bantha Tracks readers in the audience, breathed a collective sigh of relief when we saw that Lucas left it alone...
Bantha Tracks! Woooo!
A Talkback at AICN:
Tell the Truth . . .
...When you saw the Emperor fling Yoda across the room with Force lightning, you started thinking of the Mini-Me showdown from Austin Powers: Goldmember. Gawd, what I wouldn't have paid to see his Imperial Highness stuff the Jedi Master in a bag and break a glass table with him...what could have been...
This was one of only two parts of this film that I found irritating.
The Emperor brings his hands up into an "I'm going to shoot you with force lightning"
pose, and then brags, "Prepare to feel the full power of the Dark Side"
(Or whatever the exact wording was), and apparently all Yoda is doing all this
time is thinking "What you talking 'bout fool?".
The other was where Mace stands around doing nothing, waiting for the Emperor
to butcher his mates before doing anything.
I realise it was necessary to get them out of the way for a Mace v Palp duel, but
the way it was implemented made Mace seem ineffectual.
thedon99
05/27/2005, 18:49
This was one of only two parts of this film that I found irritating.
The Emperor brings his hands up into an "I'm going to shoot you with force lightning"
pose, and then brags, "Prepare to feel the full power of the Dark Side"
(Or whatever the exact wording was), and apparently all Yoda is doing all this
time is thinking "What you talking 'bout fool?".
The other was where Mace stands around doing nothing, waiting for the Emperor
to butcher his mates before doing anything.
I realise it was necessary to get them out of the way for a Mace v Palp duel, but
the way it was implemented made Mace seem ineffectual.
No, it shows Yoda was unprepared for his power. Yoda knew it was coming, and couldn't do #### about it. If I recall you were one of the people saying the Emperor can't use a lightsaber and can't move fast by manipulating the Force. Way back when the SHW TOC was going on and Yoda and Sids faced off. Mace was probaly suprised by his quickness as they all underestimated the power of Sids. Mace did try and parry Sids, but he moved so quick and he busy impaling others. Sids didn't go for him first.
No, it shows Yoda was unprepared for his power. Yoda knew it was coming, and couldn't do #### about it. If I recall you were one of the people saying the Emperor can't use a lightsaber and can't move fast by manipulating the Force. Way back when the SHW TOC was going on and Yoda and Sids faced off. Mace was probaly suprised by his quickness as they all underestimated the power of Sids. Mace did try and parry Sids, but he moved so quick and he busy impaling others. Sids didn't go for him first.
No...this is not the case.
When blocking force lightning previously he raised a hand to absorb it.
Here he just stood there and took it.
Mace didn't do anything.
I agree that he should have been shown doing it too fast for Mace to
interrupt, but he was not, which was the irritating part.
I'm surprised that you are happy with the way Sidious was portrayed actually.
He was shown to be mainly effective when "sucker punching" people rather than
outright more powerful.
thedon99
05/27/2005, 19:16
No...this is not the case.
When blocking force lightning previously he raised a hand to absorb it.
Here he just stood there and took it.
Mace didn't do anything.
I agree that he should have been shown doing it too fast for Mace to
interrupt, but he was not, which was the irritating part.
I'm surprised that you are happy with the way Sidious was portrayed actually.
He was shown to be mainly effective when "sucker punching" people rather than
outright more powerful.
I see your point. However, I understand how much people love Yoda, including myself, he's a great character. Lucas didn't want Sids to dominate to keep people happy. People would've gone nuts had Yoda got dominated. I'm not entirely happy with the way Sids was portrayed, but then again, I'm just happy they actually showed him doing something. I really don't think he sucker punched people. He was actually waiting on all the Jedi Masters to come arrest him, and he was waiting for Yoda. He tells Anakin who he is because he wants Anakin to tell the Jedi Council. All part of the plan. Same with saving Mace Windu and not attacking him right away. He needed Mace alive to make it appear as he was the aggressor to Anakin, which Mace did. He also could've killed Yoda immediately following the force lightning, but, as usual, his weakness is his arrogance. Instead he decides to talk ####.
In fact, it shows how confident he was, as waiting on jedi Masters to come arrest you is risky business. He also stood up announced "It's treason then," activated his lightsaber, then attacked. They knew he was coming, they just underestimated how hard he was coming. Attacking four Jedi Masters at once to their faces really isn't sucker punching. Now, the way the Jedi Masters got killed by the clones, especially my girl Aalya Secura, now that's "sucker punching"
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