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This one is for you Midz!
The One Winged Angel himself from Kingdom Hearts and FFVII, who could beat him?
Kefka, from FFVI(or III), in his final form could. He absorbed the power of three Mana Goddess statues, making him magic embodied. He had the entire world under siege. He was basically a god.
Mr. Gone
05/25/2005, 22:10
ummmmmm. Cloud?
other than that, the Knights of Round always gave him a run for his money.
Uknown352
05/26/2005, 01:23
Well when I beat him in ff7 all of my characters got killed except for vincent but he had his limit break so no pheonix downs. luckily that one hit from vincent killed him. So I'll go with vincent.
Neither Cloud nor Vincent alone could beat Sephiroth. It takes Cloud and his entire party to lay the smackdown on Sephiroth, Cloud alone would lose (Seph can control him) and Vincent (cool as Chaos is) does not have enough power to go one on one.
Remember, we are talking one-on-one here, not entire squads or teams (So the Knights of the Round dont count) lets keep it to single charachters only please.
As for icymatt's god nominaton, lets try to keep it to non-god level cosmic beings and under please.
Any more?
Prof. Aragorn
05/26/2005, 09:24
Dracula
Vash the Stampede
Spike Spiegel
Batman with Prep Time
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel
Thor
Captain America
Iron Man-possibly
Dr. Doom
The Hulk
Hellboy
Darth Vader
Darth Sidious
Obi Wan Kenobi
Yoda
Silver Surfer
Alan Scott
Kyle Rayner
Lobo
Hal Jordan
Sinestro
Sora
The list goes on . . .
Dracula... what a surprise Prof. A... i did not see that coming. :)
Most of the guys you mentioned would not survive the Supernova and the rest would suffer at Sin Harvest/Heartless Angel. Sora (Even level 99) can still be killed by Seph by one Sin Harvest + Masamune. Superman has the magic weakness and Seph has magic (and lots of it). Just how exactly are any of the SW guys going to block an attack that makes the Death Star look like a little toy? Spike and Batman are still human you know...
Doubtless they might beat Seph one on one but not really most of the time.
Hey Midz help me out... I know you want to. :devious:
The Shrike from Hyperion, for some overkill.
A civilian, non-militarized GCU from Iain M. Bank's Culture.
any ff7 character with a mastered copy of phoenix paired with a mastered copy of the final attack materia.
[QUOTE=Poring]As for icymatt's god nominaton, lets try to keep it to non-god level cosmic beings and under please.QUOTE]Wow... I was interested in this thread right up until this...
Someone mentions a person who could beat Sephiroth and you immediatly add a rule to counteract that...
There's no point in trying.
Yeah, the Shrike could. Easily. Same with the three other computer assassians from the Endyoimoin books. Can't remember their names for the life of me. Capt. Marvel (Shazam!) could as well. Well, Marvel's Capt. Marvel (I and III) could. Terra from FFIII (VI) could, in Esper form. Someone piloting a Metal Gear could, possibly. Big Boss could, since he's the ulitmate solider, espically if he's pilioting said Metal Gear. Marlbro man could, I mean, granted it might take a few years, but man, that cancer would get to Ole' Seph. Gandalf, for sure. King Arthur from Arthurian lore could, as well as Merlin. Jesse Custer from Preacher could easily stop/kill Sephiroth.
Darkseid probably could.
Shazaam might be able to.
Thanos.
Galactus.
Dr.Strange
John Constantine
Dormammu
Video game wise....
Ganon has a chance.
Lavos probably could.
Shin Akuma is pretty likely.
Dracula maybe.
Pyron probably.
However, I disagree that Sephiroth could be beaten by Terra, BB or Metal Gear. BB is a normal guy, no defense against Sephiroth's paranormal powers. Sephie could just blast the MG's pilot before he had a chance to attack. And while Terra is fairly powerful in Esper mode, she can't keep that very long, and I don't even think Espers have enough power to bear Sephiroth.
Strangely enough, in my proposed Video Game TOC, both Sephiroth and Metal Gear Ray are my ideas for SHWs. We might be able to answer that battle when I get that up and running (if.)
SaferSephiroth
05/26/2005, 22:56
Hell no.
If Kefka's a god, then Sephiroth's cosmic.
Wow... I was interested in this thread right up until this...
Someone mentions a person who could beat Sephiroth and you immediatly add a rule to counteract that...
There's no point in trying.
So what your saying is that no-one underneath that level stands a chance against Sephiroth?
Hell no.
If Kefka's a god, then Sephiroth's cosmic.
No no no. Final Kefka would waste Sephiroth. Definetly.
Uknown352
05/27/2005, 20:50
Well how about a master tonberry. It can technically kill anyone.
Thanos - With the infinity gauntley or not?
Galactus - If Sephiroth destroys each planet Galactus tries to eat, eventually he will starve.
John Constantine - With Prep, how the heck can anyone beat this guy? he litteraly has heaven and hell under him! Without prep though he is going to die...
Ganon - Do you mean Ganondorf?
Dracula - Youre beggining to worry me... youre starting to sound like Prof. Aragorn :)
Pyron - Technically he would limit his energy to match Sephiroth due to his "Code of Honor" so it IS a fair match that could go either way.
Strangely enough, in my proposed Video Game TOC, both Sephiroth and Metal Gear Ray are my ideas for SHWs. We might be able to answer that battle when I get that up and running (if.)
Im looking forward to any match that involves Sephiroth in your TOC.
Thanos - With the infinity gauntley or not?
Probably without it; most definetly with it.
Galactus - If Sephiroth destroys each planet Galactus tries to eat, eventually he will starve.
And it is for this reason that Galactus would probably prefer not to fight Sephiroth.
Ganon - Do you mean Ganondorf?
Ganondorf is the human(or Gerudo, if you want to get technical) form, who himself is a powerful sorcerer, but probably not powerful enough to take Sephiroth. Ganon is Ganondorf's true form, the huge demon sorcerer who carries a pitchfork. He could probably beat Sephiroth.
Dracula - Youre beggining to worry me... youre starting to sound like Prof. Aragorn :)
Every few years Castlevania Dracula rises, gets destroyed by a Belmont, and then a few years later comes back FOR MORE in a bigger demon form. His refusal to stay vampire dust makes me believe he is pretty freaking powerful. Now, I am only vouching for Castlevania Drac, not movie Drac, novel Drac, Monster Force Drac, Comic Drac or any other Draculas.
Dracula
Vash the Stampede
Spike Spiegel
Batman with Prep Time
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel
Thor
Captain America
Iron Man-possibly
Dr. Doom
The Hulk
Hellboy
Darth Vader
Darth Sidious
Obi Wan Kenobi
Yoda
Silver Surfer
Alan Scott
Kyle Rayner
Lobo
Hal Jordan
Sinestro
Sora
The list goes on . . .
Vash the Stampede-Impossible, Vash IS still a human in most parts after all..
Spike Spiegel-The same as Vash
Batman with Prep Time-What can batman prepare to Sephiroth?
Superman-His weakness is magic and Sephiroth has lots of it
Martian Manhunter-His weakness is elemental magic and Sephiroth has lots of that.
Captain Marvel-it would be too unfair to match a cosmic being w/ Sephiroth
Thor-No matter how tough Thor can still get knocked out.
Captain America-Cap is pretty impressive but he is still human.
Iron Man-possibly-Sephiroth would be too fast for him.
Dr. Doom-hmm.. w/ or w/o prep time? if w/ the same as batman's reason, if w/o Sephiroth would take him down in a min.
The Hulk-Either Sephiroth would just leave him alone until his anger runs low or he can talk to him to calm him down...
Hellboy-He could just immobilize him. Since he is pretty much invulnerable to everything
Darth Vader-Come on how will he even hit him.
Darth Sidious-Even though he has the most powerful arsenal of force powers in Star wars. I doubt if those will even hurt or affect Sephiroth..
Obi Wan Kenobi-if Darth Vader and Darth Sidious can't beat him what chance does he have?
Yoda-Same as Darth Sidious
Silver Surfer-Thing did beat him once by whacking him in the head w/ his own surf board.. Sephiroth would just either destroy or get his surfboard from him.. Then he won't be able to fly anymore..
Alan Scott-He may have infinite ring power but he is still human and he will get tired. and he still needs to eat, sleep etc.
Kyle Rayner-same as Alan Scott
Lobo-He gets tired of fighting too easily. Sephiroth would make him bored easily
Hal Jordan-if it was the Hal Jordan who transformed to Paralax then it would be too unfair for Sephiroth to fight a God.. But if it was just the normal Hal Jordan his ring still doesn't have infinite power and would run dry before beating Sephiroth..
Sinestro-even though alien he still needs to eat, sleep etc. so the same as Alan Scott, Kyle Rayner
Sora-No he cannot beat Sephiroth. The only reason he was able to beat him in the game was because the Creator of KH said so.
Well how about a master tonberry. It can technically kill anyone.
No don't think he was beaten by squall and his party.. And he still a monster after all...
So what your saying is that no-one underneath that level stands a chance against Sephiroth?It's Friday. I'm home slowly getting drunk. I'll bite. But hear this... stop putting words in my mouth.
What I'm saying is you brought about a discussion on how powerful Sephiroth is. You obviously like the character a lot or else you wouldn't have even bothered with this. It's nice you have a fondness for him, but don't be too biased.
My comment was about someone doing as you said, coming up with someone who could beat Sephiroth. Instead of trying to argue your case as to why Sephiroth could beat Kefka you try to disqualify him by negating his entry.
And for all of the comments about Superman's weakness being magic... Superman is affected by magic the same way that say, Batman is affected by magic. Magic is not the same as Kryptonite to Superman. It just means Magic can hurt him. I'm not a huge fan of Superman, but I think Clark could give Seph a run for his money.
50centfan
05/29/2005, 01:28
Yoda whoops everybody. Yoda in his prime could destroy him. As could Darth Vader. lol....
Apples and Oranges dude .........
And anyone could beat Sephiroth but will they that's the real ?
Dark Flash2099
05/29/2005, 01:32
Alucard with a maxed out Muramasa and the Alucard items.
SaferSephiroth
05/29/2005, 03:52
Storywise, Kefka and Sephiroth have comparable feats (moving a small drifting planet versus rearranging the planet, killing an important character to the story, toying with the heroes with telekinesis, destroying towns), Sephiroth having a physical feat to his name (the Midgard Serpent aka Terrato). Sephiroth displayed shapeshifting, teleportation or astral projection, innate mindcontrol (granted, it may have been due to Cloud having similar powers), illusion casting, resistence to fire, and supposedly had Jenova's regenerative abilities. Gamewise, Sephiroth has 200,000 HP compared to Kefka's 62,000. They have similar attacks (Fallen Angel and Heartless Angel, Train and Pale Horse) which probably would have little effect if any due to their status as end bosses. They both fly. Sephiroth has the advantage of a forcefield. He has a Bizarro form. He typically does about 6000 damage with a regular wing attack, 3000-8000 with the Masamune - i forget what Kefka does (anyone know?). Then there's Supernova. Yes, I know it's probably hyperbole. But it makes you wonder. Also, in Kingdom Hearts (may not be canon, but it's food for thought) he's an absolute beast - only the plot device Keyblade can harm him (that thing makes Genie-Jafar's hand smart), he had pyrokinesis, the Descend Heartless Angel attack, and he's more powerful than Maleficent, Hades, the Boogie Man, or Chernabog. He fought Cloud (hired to kill Hercules) DBZ style.
I dunno. People rant and rave about how Kefka's all that and a bag of chips, while at the same time arguing that Sephiroth was easy - due to Knights of the Round. I found Kefka to be just as if not easier due to Ultima, so that's not really fair. They also bring up godhood - well Thor's a god and Superman's an alien, guess that means Thor mops the floor with Superman. Safer Sephiroth had the power of the Lifestream in addition to his alien heritage.
That is why I take issue when someone says that Kefka beats Sephiroth. If anything it's a close battle that could go either way. I'm of the opinion that Sephiroth wins more often than not. If nothing else, Kefka was a loser in life. Sephiroth was a top ranking highly skilled general who wiped the floor with the Nibel monsters.
Lobo-He gets tired of fighting too easily. Sephiroth would make him bored easily What are you smoking and where can i get some. I've seen lobo have his barin filled with hundreds of bullets and torn into at least 7 different pieces and he's manged to get himself back together without too much issue. Tired? I don't think so.
And how about plasticman. He is practically immune to mental and physical attacks
SaferSephiroth:
For the HP argument: By those standards, wouldn't FFVIII's Ultimecia, with 950,000 HP, be stronger than both of them? No. Square just likes to make their games harder.
Also, you didn't mention who they had to fight. It took over a dozen characters, who's power's ranged from lightweight to two high-end Heavyweights, to take Kefka down. Sephiroth was beaten by a bunch of lightweights and middleweights(I may be wrong how powerful Cloud and Vincent. were).
Well, speaking about Final Fantasies, a few of the character's from FF II/IV have a possibility of taking down Sephiroth. Goblez has a chance, as does Ciecle with the Light Crystal. Zeus obsvisly has a good chance as does Tellah (well, ok only in his prime) and the Moon Guardian guy, can't remember his name right, maybe Fousayou, well it was something like that. He probally could if Goblez could. The Human Bomb, and maybe Uncle Sam, as long as they fought on our earth. The Scarlet Witch might be able to. Keith Richards could, since he can't be killed by convential weapons (ok that was joke everyone :laugh: )
SaferSephiroth
05/29/2005, 21:07
SaferSephiroth:
For the HP argument: By those standards, wouldn't FFVIII's Ultimecia, with 950,000 HP, be stronger than both of them? No. Square just likes to make their games harder.
She definitely seemed more durable, at least. Hey, it may not be perfect but either we use whatever evidence is presented or our own inherently biased opinions.
Also, you didn't mention who they had to fight. It took over a dozen characters, who's power's ranged from lightweight to two high-end Heavyweights, to take Kefka down. Sephiroth was beaten by a bunch of lightweights and middleweights(I may be wrong how powerful Cloud and Vincent. were).
It took me four, and they did it with ease. I probably could have done it with less.
Also, how do you justify calling Cloud a "lightweight?" The man had superpowers. He could survive a fall easily 60 stories high with naught but a roof of flowers to break it (cutscene, not game too, as for some reason many place more stock in plot). He wields a sword that's about the size of him and defeats guys with guns (even if you discount battles explain why President Shinra Jr fled when he was armed with a shotgun). He can hold his breath for 20 minutes and fight at the bottom of the ocean. For what it's worth (and since the thread starter mentioned it) in KH, Hades thought so highly of him he hired him for a hit on HERCULES. Then there's the in-continuity Advent Children. I don't even think "middleweight" is accurate. Vincent can become CHAOS.
It's Friday. I'm home slowly getting drunk. I'll bite. But hear this... stop putting words in my mouth.
What I'm saying is you brought about a discussion on how powerful Sephiroth is. You obviously like the character a lot or else you wouldn't have even bothered with this. It's nice you have a fondness for him, but don't be too biased.
My comment was about someone doing as you said, coming up with someone who could beat Sephiroth. Instead of trying to argue your case as to why Sephiroth could beat Kefka you try to disqualify him by negating his entry.
And for all of the comments about Superman's weakness being magic... Superman is affected by magic the same way that say, Batman is affected by magic. Magic is not the same as Kryptonite to Superman. It just means Magic can hurt him. I'm not a huge fan of Superman, but I think Clark could give Seph a run for his money.
Im sorry if I offended you in any way, I did not mean too. However there are some things you posted that I disagree with.
First of all, I'm not a huge final fantasy fan (Although I have played FFVII) but I debate a lot with my best friend, Corzair (or Midz as i like to call him) on who can beat Sephiroth (In fact i played FFVII out of sheer curiosity if Midz's Sephiroth was as powerful as he claimed.) Anyway I wanted to bring this discussion to the Realms so that I may find someone who actually can beat him.
Second, I accidentally disqualified Kefka for 2 reasons, one being foolish and the other being invoulentary. My foolishness for being unfamilliar with Kefka being one (I only took him from icymatt's description of being "Magic Incarnate") and the second reason was involentary because the "no god-level cosmic beings" rule is really old-hat standard procedure in any "Who can beat ______" thread.
Example: A guy sets up a "Who could beat Galactus" thread. I could say "God could beat Galactus" but how do you argue a case like that? Thats why the automatic rule of "No cosmic beings" was set, ever since the first "Who could beat _____" thread. Its really an old rule to keep Mr. Mxyptlk (Who destroys the universe 3 times a week just for fun) and any other beings who are impossible to beat (Except by another equally powerful opponent) out. I was just reminding everyone of that rule really. Its really an old rule that I (in my haste to set up this thread) forgot to place. And it was my unfamilliarity with Kefka that triggered it.
Im really sorry if i was misunderstood, and i hope you will forgive me. I actually did not mean to put any words in you mouth. This is all just a big misunderstanding and I hope you sincerely accept my apology.
Hey the only reason that I'm saying that lobo gets tired of fighting too easily is because whenever he fights superman in justice league he always leaves after a set period of time of fighting w/ him.. And besides I never said anything weak about his fighting abilities/durability.. I've seen him fight the whole justice league w/o superman by himself and win.. As for plastic man.. depends if he really gets serious no mortal/mutant could beat him.. As for Yoda hmmm sure he's strong and has more battle experience than Sephiroth but Sephiroth still has more tricks up his sleeves.. and Yoda cannot use the full extent of the force while using his lightsaber. Sure he could do a force push or two but nothing too serious... He would have to turn off his lightsaber then concentrate which would leave him somewhat defenseless...
SaferSephiroth
05/30/2005, 12:25
Plastic Man's been turned to stone (one of Seph's attacks just happens to be Break). He's also meltable and freezable. Plas also lacks offensive capability.
Lobo seldom gets tired of fighting. He was itching for a fight with Captain Marvel. He enjoyed beating up Amazons. And when he's fought Superman, the fight always gets interrupted. As to him tiring, he's got a healing factor, though it admittedly doesn't give him that much stamina. I've seen him huffing and puffing.
And the Lunarian guy's name was FuSoYa in the American version.
Hal Jordan's ring does have infinite power, at least for 24 hours, or at least I think I remember Astro telling me.
Vash, Spike, and Batman beat everyone no contest.
Captain America wins, because that's what he does. Did you see him scare off the Fenris wolf? Peak human my butt, the guy's blatantly superhuman.
Silver Surfer can fly without his board.
Darkseid and above definitely do it. Darkseid is more powerful than Mantis, a star-system buster.
FF heroes could (with the exception of the Light Warriors), but hey, they beat every boss. They're just too good at dishing out damage and healing.
No comment on the Star Wars guys as they're supposedly absolute monsters in the Extended Universe but I'm only familiar with the movies in which they're not that impressive.
Mr. Gone
05/30/2005, 14:26
how bout..........ULTIMECIA
i manged to beat ffvii but the last boss fight in ffviii TORE ME APART!
scratchNsniff
05/30/2005, 16:48
Many people could take on Sephiroth.
By milestones both Kefka and Kuja have accomplished more with thier own raw power. Sephioroth cannot do significant damage to the planet if he doesn't have Black Materia.
Ganondorf likely has more power than Sephiroth if for nothing else he has the triforce of power. The essence of the goddess of power is under his control, far more than Seph and the black materia to handle.
Dragonmaster Alex also holds a lot of power. He was taking shots from Black Dragons before he attained full power. And the Dragons were basically guardians of magic who are only second to the great Goddess herself.
Most of the comic superheroes also hold more power than Seph. The biggest examples of people who would curbstomp him are the Green Lanterns, Quasar, and any of the minor cosmics (Surfer, Darkseid, Terrax, etc.) Even some Earth-class heroes can possibly beat him. Iron Man is a good example, he goes at Super Sonic speeds, has a powerful array of weapons, and has a very powerful forcefield on top of his armored shell.
Just because Sephioroth is one of the most popular characters in one of the most popular games does not mean he holds a lot of power.
Now, now, I'm not a Sephiroth fanboy, but I don't think he could taken by Iron Man or just any Green Lantern.
SaferSephiroth
05/30/2005, 20:38
Scratch, that is just a tad biased don't you think? Kefka under his own power is a human. He wasn't powerful until he got the Esper power, and his ultimate form has the power of the three goddesses. How is that different from the Black Materia? Heck, Superman uses yellow sunlight to be powerful. Iron Man wears a freakin' suit of armor.
I also take issue with you saying that Sephiroth does not hold a lot of power. Do others hold more? Yes. But that's like saying a bullet is nothing because a grenade does more damage.
scratchNsniff
05/31/2005, 23:59
Very good points all around SaferSeph and I must concede to many of them. While it's true that Sephiroth holds a lot of power it seems that the artifact he has in tow (the black materia) does less to help him directly then the godess statues, the triforce of power, sunlight, etc.
It seems to me that the purpose of the black materia is to be a very effective tool for planet destruction but offers its user little direct power as opposed to the triforce of power which gave Ganon the power to rule over old Hyrule and allowed him to create his own world (dark world from ALttP) and rule over that too.
Seph is powerful, no doubt about it, but I am still of the belief that he is more among the "Minor Thor Villain" category. Strong but not overwhelming.
Mr. Gone
06/01/2005, 13:24
how bout godzilla? I mean he is Indestuctable plus i'm fairly certain he could take on all the WEAPONS(big monsters from ffvii) single handedly.
SaferSephiroth
06/01/2005, 23:31
Thanks for listening. You got my respect.
And minor Thor villain - I can live with that.
Seph seems to be doing well, but I need to comment on something mentioned earlier.
The Final attack + Pheonix works only up to five times maximum, so I dont think just any FF character with the mastered copy of both materia will beat Seph.
Just my .02
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