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This is a thread with spoilers. If you havn't seen SW Ep3 don't read.
You've been warned.
OK, so the Jedi Councel lies
I think that Palpatine may be the good guy.
We never hear that he is a bad ruler except from the rebles in ep 4-6. I think they may be a little biased.
Throughout the movies, the sith tell the truth, the jedi lie.
They try to hold back a student full of great potential.
They involve themselves in political affairs
They force thier training and ideals on children from an infant age.
They encourage thier members to hide and not deal with emotions.
I do not think the Jedi were the good guys. If any free nation had a group that went against the majority voted decision, people would be upset. The Emporer may have had a very succesfull comunist empire, but if that happened, the Jedi would have lost thier status. This is why they fought against it. Sure, some of Palpatines means were harsh. But, if anyone has read Machiavalies "The Prince" it was all in line with that.
Was killing the younglins necasary? Yes, they had been raised and brainwashed by the Jedi to oppose everything that the Emporer was trying to build. He wanted a unified government. The current Democratic governement was always in opposition of each other and there was never any growth for the society.
The last of the Jedi even hide Anakins children from him, hoping to turn them against thier own father.
I truly question the motives of the Jedi, were they really the "Good" guys?
raging_madboy
05/27/2005, 20:54
Dont forget that they liked to wear dresses. I've always been weary of dudes in dresses.
Dont forget that they liked to wear dresses. I've always been weary of dudes in dresses.
The Sith wore them too, they just liked them in darker shades.
OK, so the Jedi Councel lies
I think that Palpatine may be the good guy.
We never hear that he is a bad ruler except from the rebles in ep 4-6. I think they may be a little biased.
Throughout the movies, the sith tell the truth, the jedi lie.
They try to hold back a student full of great potential.
They involve themselves in political affairs
They force thier training and ideals on children from an infant age.
They encourage thier members to hide and not deal with emotions.
I do not think the Jedi were the good guys. If any free nation had a group that went against the majority voted decision, people would be upset. The Emporer may have had a very succesfull comunist empire, but if that happened, the Jedi would have lost thier status. This is why they fought against it. Sure, some of Palpatines means were harsh. But, if anyone has read Machiavalies "The Prince" it was all in line with that.
Was killing the younglins necasary? Yes, they had been raised and brainwashed by the Jedi to oppose everything that the Emporer was trying to build. He wanted a unified government. The current Democratic governement was always in opposition of each other and there was never any growth for the society.
The last of the Jedi even hide Anakins children from him, hoping to turn them against thier own father.
I truly question the motives of the Jedi, were they really the "Good" guys?
Good stuff to think about, sir. I thought a lot of the same things while watching the flick. Maybe to make Anakin more sympathetic to the viewer and to ease us into him sliding into the Dark Side so quickly and resolutely.
Otherwise, it's very possibly an unintentional and subconscious effort on Lucas' part to demonstrate that he has left the Jedi commune and joined the establishment after all the lofty ideals he aspired to, along with his Raging Bull, Easy Riders buddies, failed.
But what do I know? :confused:
These are just my thoughts on it. My hardest justification was the kiling of the children. But if you remember in Ep1, Qui Gon say they are detected and taken at an early age. Very maliable years for a child. The Jedi "programming" would have been completed by the age of these children and next to imposable to "deprogram"
I truly question the motives of the Jedi, were they really the "Good" guys?
Rather than go through your post point by point, I'll just ask:
One side thought murder was a legitimate means to an end, the other didn't.
Would you consider the goodies to be the pro or anti murder faction?
Rather than go through your post point by point, I'll just ask:
One side thought murder was a legitimate means to an end, the other didn't.
Would you consider the goodies to be the pro or anti murder faction?
And by speaking of "sides", I am of course omitting the fact that the Sith was
actually controlling both "sides" of a war in order to reach it's goal.
And by speaking of "sides", I am of course omitting the fact that the Sith was
actually controlling both "sides" of a war in order to reach it's goal.
The goal being Galaxy wide Despotism.
Rather than go through your post point by point, I'll just ask:
One side thought murder was a legitimate means to an end, the other didn't.
Would you consider the goodies to be the pro or anti murder faction?
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
Ah, but what if you we're a Sith sympathizer witnessing the arrest of Chancellor Palpatine?
JKLantern
05/27/2005, 22:10
Well, in the immortal words of a certain diminutive Jedi Master:
"Taun Tauns pee in the snow do they not?"
(Okay, I'll admit it. I've been waiting to use that quote for years.)
raypalmer
05/27/2005, 23:19
Im sure the residents of the Planet Aldeeran don't think of Palpatine's Empire as 'The Good Guys', considering their planet got blown up to say "I told you so" to Leia for being a rebel.
TKMandroid
05/28/2005, 01:21
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Return of the Jedi.
Enough said. :cool:
tchipley
05/28/2005, 02:56
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Return of the Jedi.
Enough said. :cool:
Word!
Prof. Aragorn
05/28/2005, 03:10
Jedis are not supposed to be good. They represent and maintain balance. Consider them moreso Taoists or Buddhists-they are more traditional and lawful then good or evil.
Sith will manipulate the force only to serve them. It is only to obtain powers they want to have-not preserve that of nature.
Therein lies the enmity between the two sides.
hawkeye106
05/28/2005, 20:54
Hooper X: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, is introduced USUALLY by my white artist names. They got SLAPPED with racist names that singled them out as Negros! Now--my book, "White-Hating Coon", don't have any of that bull####. The hero's name is Maleequa and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet while all you European mother####ers were all hiding out in caves 'n ####, terrified of the sun. He's a strong role-model that a young black reader can look up to. 'Cause I'm here to tell ya: the chickens are coming home to roost, y'all. The black man is no longer going to be playing the minstrel in the medium of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We're keeping it real! And we're going to get respect by any means necessary.
Holden (Ben Affleck): Ah, c'mon, that's a bunch of horse####! Lando Calrissian was a black guy, y'know, he got to fly the Millenium Falcon! What's the matter with you!
Hooper: Who said that?
Holden: (standing up) I did. Lando Calrissian is a positive role-model in the realm of science fiction fantasy.
Hooper: Hey, #### Lando Calrissian!
(Holden shrugs and sits down)
Hooper: Uncle-Tom ######, heh. It's always some white boy got to invoke the holy trinity. Bust this! Those movies are about how the white man keeps the brother-man down--even in a galaxy far far away. Check this ####. You got cracker farmboy Luke Skywalker, #### poster boy blond hair blue eyes. Then you got Darth Vader, blackest brother in the galaxy. Nubian god!
Banky (Jason Lee): (standing up) What's a nubian?
Hooper: Shut the #### up! (Banky sits down) Now. Vader, he's a spiritual brother, down with the force and all that good ####. Then this cracker Skywalker gets his hands on a lightsaber, and the boy decides HE'S gonna run the whole ####ing universe! Gets a whole KLAN of whites together and they go bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star! Now what the #### do you call that?
Banky: Intergalatic civil war?
Hooper: Gentrification!! They gonna drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote-unquote safe for white folks! In "Jedi," the most insulting installment when Vader's beautiful black visage is SULLIED when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man! They trying to tell us that deep inside, we all wants to be WHITE!!!
Banky: Well, isn't that true?
(Hooper pulls out a gun, releases the safety, kicks over the podium and shoots Banky several times, and Banky falls, clutching his chest. All the other speakers and audience members (excluding Holden and Alyssa who we are about to meet) dive for cover or scatter screaming as...)
Hooper: (shooting into the air): Black rage!!! Black rage!!! I kill all white folks I lay my mother####in' eyes on!!
(But don't worry everyone, Banky's fine, it was just blanks in the gun and a completely staged publicity stunt for Hooper's comic book title)
I know this will get blasted, but I just thought that if anything needed to be said, it was this.
hawkeye106
05/28/2005, 20:56
Honestly, what has the Empire done that was really so #### evil? Yes, they blew up a planet. But you can't make an omlet without blowing up a few eggs.
50centfan
05/29/2005, 01:19
Jedi want peace and balance they don't want anyone to have more power than anyone else because then boom the Sith take over and Empire is formed so they are "good" guys but not like Superman or Spiderman.......
Sith want absolute power and only care for themselves. They are stronger than the Jedi it only takes two for them to take the entire Jedi Order except Yoda, Kenobi. That why the Jedi were so worried. Imagine a Sith Council it wouldn't work because they would kill each other wanting absolute power get it?
Honestly, what has the Empire done that was really so #### evil? Yes, they blew up a planet. But you can't make an omlet without blowing up a few eggs.
Yes, and it was a planet that was deemed entirely opposed to the Emperor. They could have gone down and waged an expensive and bloody war, prolonging the suffering of the inhabitants of the planet. Losing the lives of many clones (Still in debate as to wether they would have a "soul") And the money saved could have gone in to social program for those societies that revered the Emperor. The way it was handled was Economically sound and prevented long term suffering for the traitorous inhabitants of the planet
For those not aware of the contest of this post, it is from the excelent movie Chasing Amy from Kevin Smith.
Hooper X: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, is introduced USUALLY by my white artist names. They got SLAPPED with racist names that singled them out as Negros! Now--my book, "White-Hating Coon", don't have any of that bull####. The hero's name is Maleequa and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet while all you European mother####ers were all hiding out in caves 'n ####, terrified of the sun. He's a strong role-model that a young black reader can look up to. 'Cause I'm here to tell ya: the chickens are coming home to roost, y'all. The black man is no longer going to be playing the minstrel in the medium of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We're keeping it real! And we're going to get respect by any means necessary.
Holden (Ben Affleck): Ah, c'mon, that's a bunch of horse####! Lando Calrissian was a black guy, y'know, he got to fly the Millenium Falcon! What's the matter with you!
Hooper: Who said that?
Holden: (standing up) I did. Lando Calrissian is a positive role-model in the realm of science fiction fantasy.
Hooper: Hey, #### Lando Calrissian!
(Holden shrugs and sits down)
Hooper: Uncle-Tom ######, heh. It's always some white boy got to invoke the holy trinity. Bust this! Those movies are about how the white man keeps the brother-man down--even in a galaxy far far away. Check this ####. You got cracker farmboy Luke Skywalker, #### poster boy blond hair blue eyes. Then you got Darth Vader, blackest brother in the galaxy. Nubian god!
Banky (Jason Lee): (standing up) What's a nubian?
Hooper: Shut the #### up! (Banky sits down) Now. Vader, he's a spiritual brother, down with the force and all that good ####. Then this cracker Skywalker gets his hands on a lightsaber, and the boy decides HE'S gonna run the whole ####ing universe! Gets a whole KLAN of whites together and they go bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star! Now what the #### do you call that?
Banky: Intergalatic civil war?
Hooper: Gentrification!! They gonna drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote-unquote safe for white folks! In "Jedi," the most insulting installment when Vader's beautiful black visage is SULLIED when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man! They trying to tell us that deep inside, we all wants to be WHITE!!!
Banky: Well, isn't that true?
(Hooper pulls out a gun, releases the safety, kicks over the podium and shoots Banky several times, and Banky falls, clutching his chest. All the other speakers and audience members (excluding Holden and Alyssa who we are about to meet) dive for cover or scatter screaming as...)
Hooper: (shooting into the air): Black rage!!! Black rage!!! I kill all white folks I lay my mother####in' eyes on!!
(But don't worry everyone, Banky's fine, it was just blanks in the gun and a completely staged publicity stunt for Hooper's comic book title)
I know this will get blasted, but I just thought that if anything needed to be said, it was this.
For another discusion from Kevin Smith on the evils of the Rebels
Building the Death Star
written by Kevin Smith
Randal: So they build another Death Star, right?
Dante: Yeah.
Randal: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
Dante: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
Randal:And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
Dante: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
(The Blue-Collar Man (Thomas Burke) joins them.)
Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Randal: Like when?
Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
Dante: Whose house was it?
Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Dante: Based on personal politics.
Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
Randal: No way!
Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.
Taken from http://www.whysanity.net/monos/clerks5.html
Jedis are not supposed to be good. They represent and maintain balance. Consider them moreso Taoists or Buddhists-they are more traditional and lawful then good or evil.
Sith will manipulate the force only to serve them. It is only to obtain powers they want to have-not preserve that of nature.
Therein lies the enmity between the two sides.
A good point, but If the sith are the "Bad" guys, and the jedi are NOT the "Good" guys, just sort of standing in the middle of the teeter totter. Does this mean there was an "Uber Good" sect of force users wreaking havok in the universe? How come we never heard of them?
Here's some more fuel for the fire:
Yoda lets Dooku escape in Attack of the Clones so that he can save Anakin and Obi-Wan.....moments after Obi-Wan refused to let Anakin save Padme.
Mace stops himself from killing Dooku and Jango Fett when he could have easily done so--instead, he leaped down and fought to save....Anakin and Obi-Wan. Instead of killing Dooku and Fett, he let them go, causing the deaths of countless Genosians, Jedi and Clone Troops.
50centfan
05/29/2005, 03:20
hmm.....yes quite......Maul let Kenobi kill him which let him train Anakin where he met Padme they made Luke and Leia . Anakin joined the Dark Side . Luke kills his father causing the downfall of the Empire which prolly threw the entire galaxy into chaos.....hm....yes quite.....
hawkeye106
05/29/2005, 10:48
The fact of the matter is that good and evil are not straight lines. There is bacl and white, but miles of grey lie between them. The Empire did do some very reactionary tactics in their government. Palpatine's rise to power could be in some ways compared to Hitler's. Escept that Palpatine wasn't quite as crazy as Hitler. But once the empire was in place, the galaxy was safe. Yes, it took a great war to get it there, but it's like the comic "Watvhmen" you know. The Empire ended all of the ptitful debating and greedy coruption of the Senate, and while the senate was still in place, it had a hand to hury it up when neccessary. A New Hope even starts out with the rebels stealing government plans, for God's sake. This is no battle between good and evil, it's a battle between opinions.
The fact of the matter is that good and evil are not straight lines. There is bacl and white, but miles of grey lie between them. The Empire did do some very reactionary tactics in their government. Palpatine's rise to power could be in some ways compared to Hitler's. Escept that Palpatine wasn't quite as crazy as Hitler. But once the empire was in place, the galaxy was safe. Yes, it took a great war to get it there, but it's like the comic "Watvhmen" you know. The Empire ended all of the ptitful debating and greedy coruption of the Senate, and while the senate was still in place, it had a hand to hury it up when neccessary. A New Hope even starts out with the rebels stealing government plans, for God's sake. This is no battle between good and evil, it's a battle between opinions.
Once the Empire was in place Palaptine began systematicaly enslaveing alien species because he didn't much care for aliens. Many of these races were not engaged in anti-Empirial activites, in fact the Empire enslaved some races that they had just discovered.
Palpatine replaced some petty corruptin with full scale galactic warfare to place himself at the head of the galaxy. This in no way ended galactic corruption however (For example the most infamous of intergalactic criminals, the Hutt crime bosses, were left untouched) it just got rid of argueing senators, by removeing the senate. The Empire itself was also corrupt, for example Vader made a deal with Lando in order to trap Han and Leia, then changed the deal several times just because he could.
Grand Moff Tarkin kidnaped hundreds of Omwati children in order to use their natural talents for his own purposes (whatever they may have been). The Omwati were not members of the Republic and had taken no actions against the Empire, in fact Tarkin and a few of his commanders were some of the only people that knew the race existed.
The official Empirial response to Leia's treason was to destroy her planet, killing billions of neutral citizens in the process (I'd love to know how someone came to the conclusion that the entire planet was full of rebels, they weren't the Borg).
Darth Vader was known to torture people for no other reason than that it amused him.
The Jedi may have been lukewarm good guys, but that in no way means that the Empire was anything but evil.
Prof. Aragorn
05/29/2005, 22:54
Here's some more fuel for the fire:
Yoda lets Dooku escape in Attack of the Clones so that he can save Anakin and Obi-Wan.....moments after Obi-Wan refused to let Anakin save Padme.
Mace stops himself from killing Dooku and Jango Fett when he could have easily done so--instead, he leaped down and fought to save....Anakin and Obi-Wan. Instead of killing Dooku and Fett, he let them go, causing the deaths of countless Genosians, Jedi and Clone Troops.
Yoda and Mace didn't kill the bad guys and such because of balance and the preservation of life. Anakin wanted to save Padme because of love. A jedi cannot know emotions, because emotion leads to utilizing the force powers of the Sith.
Though it is ###-backwards.
Prof. Aragorn
05/29/2005, 22:59
A good point, but If the sith are the "Bad" guys, and the jedi are NOT the "Good" guys, just sort of standing in the middle of the teeter totter. Does this mean there was an "Uber Good" sect of force users wreaking havok in the universe? How come we never heard of them?
Sith aren't really the bad guys as much as the Jedi aren't really the good guys.
Jedis uphold balance, preservation, and what is perceived as natural.
Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
Jedis and Sith do not get along because both achieve the same thing through different means. It is through the means that the two sides do not agree on.
Hawkeye106's remark that the Star Wars Saga was a battle of opinions is correct.
hawkeye106
05/30/2005, 00:32
THANK YOU PROF. ARAGORN!
It's opinion vs opinions. I side with the Sith.
[QUOTE=Prof. Aragorn]Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
[QUOTE]
So why is what they do typically perceived as wrong?
Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
So why is what they do typically perceived as wrong?
Is how it would have come out if we still had edit.
Thank god we don't so that I cannot exploit the system. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Prof. Aragorn]Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
[QUOTE]
So why is what they do typically perceived as wrong?
Because it's a biased "history" as told by the "winners"
Because it's a biased "history" as told by the "winners"
No...it's a film...showing events as they happen.
Oh...You're talking about "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away".
I still say describing it as a biased history lesson is scraping more than a little.
No...it's a film...showing events as they happen.
I think most of the people here know that. I'm just trying to see what kind of discussion and debate we can do as an Imperial sympathizer
hawkeye106
05/31/2005, 00:07
You had me worried for a second or two Puuka.
You cannot call it a biased history lesson. After all, I don't remember hearing anyone say "Sith" during Episodes VI through VI.
If you haven't caught up on what I mean, allow me to explain further. You see, everyone who knew what Sith are or were is dead now. Luke and comapny have no idea what the Sith are. Obi Wan is dead. Yoda is dead. The Master and Apprentice of the Sith are dead(Vader and Palpatine/Sidious). The Sith are gone now. So everyone says now:
"The Emperor was evil" and perhaps he was. But the practices of the Sith are not spit upon.
Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
But which emotions do the Sith uphold? Fear & Hate. I don't see them hanging out in the woods & drumming with Robert Bly.
Emp: "Darth, my good friend, in your anger, you killed the one person you loved the most. It was a mistake, we all make mistakes. Its OK to cry."
Nope, don't see it happening.
It's all about maturity. Do you give in and go after what you want when you want it (ie: the Dark Side), or do you exert self-control in order to have a reward that, in the end, may be greater though not as immediate?
It's also about freedom over tyranny. Despite countless arguments in the old Republic among the politicians, the people still got what they needed and were free. Under Palpatine, those who disagreed with his rule were killed.
To me, the 'right' choice in those two instances is simple.
FoxInStocks
05/31/2005, 11:38
Jerks though the Jedi might be, they did not kill and slaughter thousdands to get what they want. The Sith view murder, deception, and war as legitmate means to obtain power or whatever it is they desire. Those are the fact.
Twist it however you like, the Sith are the bad guys. COOL bad guys, but baddies nonetheless.
To me, the 'right' choice in those two instances is simple.
Exactly! I wants me some blue Sith lightning! :p
Sith uphold power, emotion, and what is perceived as right.
But which emotions do the Sith uphold? Fear & Hate. I don't see them hanging out in the woods & drumming with Robert Bly.
Emp: "Darth, my good friend, in your anger, you killed the one person you loved the most. It was a mistake, we all make mistakes. Its OK to cry."
Nope, don't see it happening.
I think that when Vader was in his chamber, he would contemplate what he has done and cry :(
I think that when Vader was in his chamber, he would contemplate what he has done and cry :(
That, or shout out some pathetic, whiny "No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!" ...
Except now it would sound more like a metallic James Earl Jones.
Resurrecting this old thread
Jedi and Sith both go on emotions...trust your feelings, listen to your heart
Anyone use their freakin' brains?
Jedi impose order, Sith impose order
Mace refuses to trust Anakin even when he reveals the uber-villain that, for all their psychic powers, they could not see despite having an office down the hall from the guy
Sidious revealed himself and actually trusted Anakin. The Jedi were not even going to train him originally. Maybe if they had not treated him like the proverbial red-headed stepchild he would not have turned
Only truly major difference: The Sith kill. The Jedi merely lop off limbs
I wished I had the Paint Shop skills to do a parody poster called "George Lucas' Series of Very Bad Feelings" make it look like a "Lemony Snicket's Series of Unfortunate Events" poster.
raging_madboy
08/03/2005, 03:47
Dead Thread police will be coming for you now Soph. Nothing you can do, no where you can hide.
Sometimes its best to just let things stay forgotten.
bootkneelee
08/04/2005, 20:25
Dead Thread police will be coming for you now Soph. Nothing you can do, no where you can hide.
Sometimes its best to just let things stay forgotten.
I beg to differ, I had not seen this thread back in May and I read it and am both intrigued and know that in my deepest heart the Sith are not only cooler and smarter that the Jedi, but were actually right.
There is a time to laugh, a time to cry, a time to live and a time to die. Jedi don't want you having emothions, what are they Vulcans? Love em or hate the Sith did bring order and peace to the Galaxy. And the Sith don't lie, Jedi's lie like politicians. Bad politicians!!!!
Also... the Sith have way cooler names! :p
clixer11
08/05/2005, 00:25
You've obviously never heard of Darth Wizinhispants
bootkneelee
08/05/2005, 13:40
You've obviously never heard of Darth Wizinhispants
Ahem! We [Sith supporters] don't like to talk about him...he was a Sith for one weekend....true it was a 3 day weekend...it was a threeday weekend where St. Patty's Day fell on a Friday... and he partied till Monday Morning... matter of fact he was drinking right up to the very end when Darth his head of with his head got cut off.... I wish not to discuss this anymore....
Green L@ntern
08/11/2005, 19:14
Only truly major difference: The Sith kill. The Jedi merely lop off limbs
Jedi do kill, they don't kill their prisoners, because they believe in justice. The exceptions are Sith that are a severely powerful and corrupt. And I was wondering if Star Wars comics mesh and are in continuity with the movies.
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