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I have won bids on 33 vs.cards on Saturday night from the seller marvel_master shipping was 2.00. Each card was listed seperately and I won the items for .55-.65 @. The seller sends me an itemized invoice that showed 17.00 for the cards and then 30.00 for shipping! I couldn't believe it.
That's a total of 47.00 for a 17.00 winning bid.
I told him I would pay 5.00 to ship the 33 cards.
He returns my email stating this:
that's why the cards are sold so cheap, shipping charges are clearly stated
Since when do you bid on an item and expect to pay twice it's
winning bid?
Am I wrong here?
I think I am done with EBAY
KneelB4Zodd
08/08/2005, 18:23
It's not unusual to get slammed with a "fine print" shipping bill on an eBay auction. But you can't change the shipping terms after the auction closes. Care to link to the auction so we can judge? :)
Yeah, thats pretty high on the shipping, but you should have specifically asked the seller before bidding if he combines shipping. Never assume.
Psylockeslover
08/08/2005, 18:24
Hrmmm...
33 cards at $2 shipping per card? Sounds like he could have hit ya for $66 for shipping if he had wanted to.
This is a case of "buyer beware". Did he say that he would give you a break for winning multiple auctions? (looks like he did anyway)
Psylockeslover
08/08/2005, 18:25
Care to link to the auction so we can judge? :)
Sorry, no eBay links please.
freakazoid_x
08/08/2005, 18:28
Unfortunately that's the only way to make money off of selling individual cards on Ebay... unless you got something really valuable. Like with selling a KC Supes you know you're in for a Payday, but if you're selling something like a Judge Anderson the only way to really turn a profit is shipping.
Which reminds me, anyone wanna buy a Judge Anderson?
brindelin
08/08/2005, 18:30
Personally, I just wouldn't pay it. You're probably in the wrong if you didn't ask him if he would combine shipping.
However, I still wouldn't pay it since I'm not a fan of the price shifting towards shipping. If he gives you negative feedback oh well.
I don't know how everyone gets all these lame deals on Ebay. I tend to get my stuff for VERY fair shipping prices. And I have YET to even buy from Hair10 :laugh:
But seriously, got Big Pink for 26 last week, shipping was 2 bucks. I just sent a package in a trade, and when I accidentally (I'm friggin' retarded today!!!) sent it via priority (3 figs inside, mind you, all norm size, no giants or big figs), I got 4.30 slapped on it!
So yeah, anywho, just make this a lesson that shipping charges on Ebay are something to watch out for. If everyone is a bit more careful, and they get to scam you on shipping less, then it happens a lot less often.
Profit schemes are only profitable if they're profitable.
hornhead
08/08/2005, 18:50
Personally, I just wouldn't pay it. You're probably in the wrong if you didn't ask him if he would combine shipping.
However, I still wouldn't pay it since I'm not a fan of the price shifting towards shipping. If he gives you negative feedback oh well.Unfortunately, if he doesn't pay, he could be hit with 33 non-paying bidder dings ... which would probably mean his account would be toast.
MadCap#1
08/08/2005, 18:56
That is a major rip-off! There is NO way it comes close to that much to ship and handle 33 cards. Is he hand delivering them? Is he driving accross the country to give them to you? I think not!
If I were you, don't pay it. You will probably lose all your EBAY rating (33 negatives!!!) but at least you will have your $30. Teach the rat a lesson.
Though, to be honest, you should have checked first. It is one of those common sense things we take for granted. :ermm:
I make a point to NEVER bid on someones auction that I feel is jacking up the shipping excessively. For example, recently I saw a guy charging $6.00 for shipping Heroclix. RIDICULOUS!
Papa Smurf
08/08/2005, 19:00
I have won bids on 33 vs.cards on Saturday night from the seller marvel_master shipping was 2.00. Each card was listed seperately and I won the items for .55-.65 @. The seller sends me an itemized invoice that showed 17.00 for the cards and then 30.00 for shipping! I couldn't believe it.
That's a total of 47.00 for a 17.00 winning bid.
I told him I would pay 5.00 to ship the 33 cards.
He returns my email stating this:
that's why the cards are sold so cheap, shipping charges are clearly stated
Since when do you bid on an item and expect to pay twice it's
winning bid?
Am I wrong here?
I think I am done with EBAY
dude you screwed up, sorry you feel like you shouldn't have to pay that much, but you should have known this going into the bidding procedure. read every thing before bidding, you Funked up get over it,........................................
BANEitsMYverb
08/08/2005, 19:01
ya, ebay is rediculous for the shipping on stuff.... but thats why you must always count the shipping in for what ever you are buying. like say.... i only will pay 10 bucks for a carnage (ya right), i look at shipping first and if its say, 3.00 dollars, i put in a $7.00 max bid.
Papa Smurf
08/08/2005, 19:01
Unfortunately, if he doesn't pay, he could be hit with 33 non-paying bidder dings ... which would probably mean his account would be toast.
feedback is everything on ebay.
DroidMaster
08/08/2005, 19:03
Wat were the cards??? If they are good then pay, if they are #### dont. Thats my opinion.
SuperGENE
08/08/2005, 19:09
I believe it's a violation of Ebay's user policy to charge excessive shipping. If this seller decides to file a complaint, ebay will agree that $30 shipping for 33 cards is excessive and will let you off the hook.
You can register a complaint with ebay about excessing shipping costs. They will check it over, take about six weeks to do so. However it stops him putting negative feedback on you.
You made a mistake, he IS trying to rip you off.
Just open a new ebay account or live with the non-paying hit when he gives you negative.
KneelB4Zodd
08/08/2005, 19:17
Many shippers list "combined shipping" terms for different auctions...and since some don't, I assume that those that don't, won't. Never assume combined shipping without checking with the seller!
Is he a jerk? Yes. But if 33 different people had bid on the cards, he would have made $2 a card plus the auction amount. I don't think he actually did anything wrong by eBay standards, since you agreed to the auction based the terms listed in the auctions.
Cliff Stockton
08/08/2005, 19:18
I have won bids on 33 vs.cards on Saturday night from the seller marvel_master shipping was 2.00. Each card was listed seperately and I won the items for .55-.65 @. The seller sends me an itemized invoice that showed 17.00 for the cards and then 30.00 for shipping! I couldn't believe it.
That's a total of 47.00 for a 17.00 winning bid.
I told him I would pay 5.00 to ship the 33 cards.
He returns my email stating this:
that's why the cards are sold so cheap, shipping charges are clearly stated
Since when do you bid on an item and expect to pay twice it's
winning bid?
Am I wrong here?
I think I am done with EBAY
Well, if the shipping cost was stated in the auctions and you didn't ask the seller anything about multiple shipping discounts BEFORE bidding... then yes, you are in the wrong.
Unfortunately you can't tell the seller what you want to pay for shipping. You must abide by the terms set forth in the auction once you bid. When you bid that tells the seller you agree to the terms stated in the auction.
If you don't pay he has every right to give you negative feedback and that's alot of negative feedback! Too bad you have to start off on EBAY with such a bad experience that was avoidable on your part. Maybe if you contact the seller and explain how you didn't fully understand things he might just leave neutral feedback. Better than negative at least.
I have paid 3 times the amount for shipping than the actual auction's price before. Total was $4 with shipping. What I won would've cost me close to $10 if I'd ordered it from the actual game makers. Choose your battles.
Gotta read things a little more carefullyfrom now on.
brindelin
08/08/2005, 19:34
By the same token you could leave negative feedback if you want to get catty!
tbone_foley
08/08/2005, 19:38
Take a look at his rating and see what he has to loss. Remember if he gives you 33 negative feedbacks you can send them right back his way. And you might want to remind him about that. It's not cool to do that but he should expect it. It's also not cool to rip people on shipping.
backupgoalie
08/08/2005, 20:04
why are you wasting your money on vs cards anyway...that game stinks out loud! spend your money on clix!
jdm61802
08/08/2005, 20:18
Folks forget, ebay sellers have to pay Ebay to list. To sell something like a card for .25, a seller is going to have to charge at least .75 to cover envelope, postage, and Ebay. If the seller takes Paypal, then they are going to have to charge more to cover Paypal. With this in mind, I can see $1.00 an auction being a reasonable S&H for low price items.
I agree that $2.00 per card is high. However, as some have already pointed out, unless seller says in the auction or tells you by email, shipping and handling is not combined. I've made this mistake before, but I only have myself to blame.
As to the advice that you basicly blackmail the seller with 33 negative comments, bad idea. All the seller has to do is show Ebay that no where did he say he would combine shipping. They will remove your negative feedback and probably close your account. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but you did make the mistake. Pay for it.
You can register a complaint with ebay about excessing shipping costs. They will check it over, take about six weeks to do so. However it stops him putting negative feedback on you.
You made a mistake, he IS trying to rip you off.
Just open a new ebay account or live with the non-paying hit when he gives you negative.
Of course, this is probably a bit harder. If he was charging $30 for a single item, that’s different. However, the fact that it was 33 different auctions is not quite so clear-cut.
And yes, this is exactly why the buyer should always verify if multiple listings will result in a reduced shipping charge.
Macdaddy4738
08/08/2005, 20:24
why are you wasting your money on vs cards anyway...that game stinks out loud! spend your money on clix!
to each his own dude, if thats what he wants his money spent on, thats his decision, lay off him...
Ebay blows, plain and simple. I generally try and buy or sell my stuff over forums rather then Ebay, I generally just use Ebay as a price guide.
If he did not say he combines shipping costs, then your in trouble. I would flat out refuse to pay, then get a new Ebay account...
if you cannot do that, then stop using ebay
Weekend_Dad
08/08/2005, 20:26
Well if you don't want the negative feedback and you do end up paying the full price he has listed for shipping just get him back a little. Tell him that you want the cards shipped in seperate bubble filled envellopes, each in a soft and then hard cover for protection. That way he has to spend a little of the money he is making off of you and put it into the actual shipping costs. just my 2 cents
zedington
08/08/2005, 20:34
Wait a minute...the seller clearly stated that the shipping was $2 per auction, and ultimately only charged you $30 for 33 cards, rather than the stated $66 it should have been.
I fail to see the problem here.
Does it cost $30 to ship 33 cards? No, of course not, but the guy cut the pre-mentioned charge by half, which by any standard is a pretty decent discount. Rather than looking at this as the guy “ripping you off,” you should see this for what it is, which is the guy willing to take a cut in his expected profit as a gesture of goodwill.
I feel your pain, really I do. Contractually obligating yourself to pay that much for shipping sucks. However, it’s ridiculous to place the blame on the seller.
Well if you don't want the negative feedback and you do end up paying the full price he has listed for shipping just get him back a little. Tell him that you want the cards shipped in seperate bubble filled envellopes, each in a soft and then hard cover for protection. That way he has to spend a little of the money he is making off of you and put it into the actual shipping costs. just my 2 cents
On the other hand, this is a freaking great idea. If the seller refuses to combine shipping costs, then refuse to accept combined shipping, and tell him you better receive each one individually. Fair is fair after all...
See if you can find someone who lives near him to collect them, and then post
them to you at a reasonable rate.
Then pay your friend $30 for the favour he did you.
BigBadGreenGuy
08/08/2005, 21:12
Not to rehash what everyone else has said, but you should have asked if he combined shipping before you bid. He is definatley ripping you (and everyone else) off for that shipping price. And as someone else said, if he gives you 33 negatives, he gets them back, but then 2 people get screwed. I would say bite the bullet, pay the price, and think of it as a learning experience.......
Onestandard
08/08/2005, 22:34
I concur with the majority here. Yeah, you are paying $1 per card to ship, but you didn't read the auction or email the guy. He is also selling you cards for basically nothing. If you can find them somewhere else for the prices you are paying (incl. shipping), then go for it. But I don't think you can.
This is one of those situations where buyers tend to get a bit greedy. Sellers build-in certain terms to keep themselves from getting raped (economically), but it's still a buyer's market on eBay. I personally think that you got a good deal, even at $1 apiece shipping.
As to using negative feedback as leverage, that's highly unethical. I don't care what system of ethics or beliefs you subscribe to, our economy and value system is based on a certain level of trust and honesty, and yes, sometimes eating crow (or in this case $30) in the interest of those principles and smooth working of the system.
sstralkowski
08/08/2005, 23:47
I feel for you man. I just got hosed on a V-Nightwing. I won it for $1 and noticed, before I bid, that he was charging $2.50 to ship. A bit pricey of a total cost for a non, but I need the piece and can't seem to get it through a trade. Stupid me missed the part where he required the $1.55 insurance. My fault completely. Now I'm paying $5 for a freaking HT non. Yeah, I was steamed, but it's my fault for not reading. So I took the hit and paid it. Live & learn.
absolutvt69
08/09/2005, 00:24
As to the advice that you basicly blackmail the seller with 33 negative comments, bad idea. All the seller has to do is show Ebay that no where did he say he would combine shipping. They will remove your negative feedback and probably close your account. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but you did make the mistake. Pay for it.
Actually this isn't true. eBay does absolutely nothing about retalitory feedback. I know. My only negative on there is from someone who left me a negative b/c I left him one. I was the buyer and paid as soon as the auction ended. He didn't ship my items for over a month and every week sent me a "they're in the mail" line. His auction also "guaranteed" one in every 4 lots would contain a unique so I bought 4... and got no unique. When I asked him about that he said it was just an average. Since he flat out guaranteed this and he strung me along about shipping, I left him a negative. He replied and left me a negative saying only "He left me negative feedback". Months later when this guy was no longer a registered member (b/c of all his negatives) I contacted eBay and they said "While we discourage retalitory feedback we will not remove it". Basically unless you make some insane allegation or completely slander someone, eBay won't touch the feedback.
OKay, you walked into this one. Take it like a man instead of complaining. Also, don't leave him negative feedback unless he never ships the items to you. That would only make you the bad guy.
jdm61802
08/09/2005, 01:11
Actually this isn't true. eBay does absolutely nothing about retalitory feedback. I know. My only negative on there is from someone who left me a negative b/c I left him one. I was the buyer and paid as soon as the auction ended. He didn't ship my items for over a month and every week sent me a "they're in the mail" line. His auction also "guaranteed" one in every 4 lots would contain a unique so I bought 4... and got no unique. When I asked him about that he said it was just an average. Since he flat out guaranteed this and he strung me along about shipping, I left him a negative. He replied and left me a negative saying only "He left me negative feedback". Months later when this guy was no longer a registered member (b/c of all his negatives) I contacted eBay and they said "While we discourage retalitory feedback we will not remove it". Basically unless you make some insane allegation or completely slander someone, eBay won't touch the feedback.
Can't really say what happen there. All I know is that I have had someone try to black mail my 100% rating. Left negative unfounded feedback. Ebay removed it. Not sure why they did not do so for you.
absolutvt69
08/09/2005, 01:28
BTW, just to clarify I wasn't saying he should leave negative feedback. I don't think that's right. I just know that in my case they kind of threw up their hands which was frustrating. Personally I would either pay for it or take the feedback hit (prob. pay for it). If you look at it as $47 total for 33 cards does that still make it a decent deal? (Can you tell I have no idea what these cards are worth?) What would you pay locally to get the same cards?
sstralkowski
08/09/2005, 01:30
Had the same thing happen to me. His excuse was that he just left retaliatory feedback for everyone who left him negative, so that made it ok. There were a bunch of us...like 12 or so.
I Am The Game
08/09/2005, 01:52
I wouldn't pay it, and I'd write a complaint to eBay about abusive shipping charges. I hope you kept your correspondance e-mails. I think up to $15-20 for a stack of cards within the US is fair, but $30 is too much.
Did he say how he'd package or ship the cards? Just imagine the troubles you'll have if the packaging is shoddy, and your cards come dinged. If you really want them, pay the $30, and get it over with, even though it's abusive. If you only bought them because they're cheap, and don't have the extra $30 to spend, just refuse the whole thing. Be prepared to get hit with negative feedback, though, unless his feedback is pristine, and you both find a way to keep it that way.
I haven't bought from eBay for a while, but isn't your rating based on the first transaction from each different member? If 33 negatives were placed in this guy's profile from this transaction, it shows all 33, but only counts as -1, right?
I wouldn't pay it, and I'd write a complaint to eBay about abusive shipping charges. I hope you kept your correspondance e-mails. I think up to $15-20 for a stack of cards within the US is fair, but $30 is too much.
Did he say how he'd package or ship the cards? Just imagine the troubles you'll have if the packaging is shoddy, and your cards come dinged. If you really want them, pay the $30, and get it over with, even though it's abusive. If you only bought them because they're cheap, and don't have the extra $30 to spend, just refuse the whole thing. Be prepared to get hit with negative feedback, though, unless his feedback is pristine, and you both find a way to keep it that way.
I haven't bought from eBay for a while, but isn't your rating based on the first transaction from each different member? If 33 negatives were placed in this guy's profile from this transaction, it shows all 33, but only counts as -1, right?Sorry, but the seller has done nothing wrong (as far as we know). He could have easily sold all of these cards to different sellers. And he is still obviously combining the shipping. Should have looked before you leaped.
I, too, was scorned by high shipping. 6 LEs which came to 6 bucks together... was charged 14 dollars shipping, and the woman even told me I was paying for her cab fair to get to the post office. Nothing I could do about it, though.
If you have a unique feedback score of 10 at 100% positive feedback rating and you get 33 negative feedbacks from one Ebay user, your feedback score is now 9, but your rating is -53% positive feedback.
Good Advice
08/09/2005, 03:11
A common mistake on ebay is assuming shipping costs are actual shipping costs. When I sell clix on ebay for a single domestic win I charge $2.75 shipping. (I do offer assume combined rates thought.) This means that a $1 auction is now $3.75 which may seem excessive given the postage label will read 83 cents. But when its all said and done w/ shipping supplies, postage and fees I will have paid $1.75, meaning I only made $2 on the sale. Given I had to first acquire the clix and then put in the time to sell them, $2 is a fairly modest take. And as a result I don't list REVs that are probably only worth $1 or $2 since no one would buy them. Also, the higher percentage of the money that is shipping money; the lower the fee the seller has to pay. (a glitch ine bay's fee system) I don't know it for a fact, but Iam guessing the 33 cards would easily cost you $47 from a retail store. All that being said, I totally understand where you are coming from, no matter what; it is lousy to feel as if you are being cheated. I think all sellers should spell out there combined shipping rates very clearly to avoid these situations. If you think the cards are worth $47, or you don't want to lose your ebay account then you should pay him. If they simply aren't worth $47 to you and you don't mind risking having your account shutdown then don't pay. I don't think you should quit on ebay, one seller does not represent them all. The only thing is EBAY sometimes isn't the best place to pick up really inexpensive items. (although sometime's it is worth it to just overpay to get a hard to find/trade for item.) btw, really sorry I rambled for so long
Good Advice
08/09/2005, 03:13
i meant awesome combined rates, not assume
michiganj24
08/09/2005, 04:50
Now a days the only way to make money through ebay is the shipping so people shopuld expect it. If someone dosent pay eenough attention then Im sorry it your fault. I think Ebay will eventually try to fix this problem. Someone spotted a car go on ebay for under 100 dollars with10,000 shipping. Its the smart way to sell bc of all the fees from Ebay and probably paypal too. if you dont want the charges find a forum like this one or found your one over on yahoo and make trading and selling all in your own hands
zero_cochrane
08/09/2005, 05:07
Unfortunately, if he doesn't pay, he could be hit with 33 non-paying bidder dings ... which would probably mean his account would be toast.
Both parties in the transaction are able to leave feedback, surely?
If the seller wants to leave 33 negative feedback comments, the buyer could easily return the favour. And who's going to buy form someone with that much negative feedback?
pseudosoldier
08/09/2005, 09:26
Unfortunately, if he doesn't pay, he could be hit with 33 non-paying bidder dings ... which would probably mean his account would be toast.
Both parties in the transaction are able to leave feedback, surely?
If the seller wants to leave 33 negative feedback comments, the buyer could easily return the favour. And who's going to buy form someone with that much negative feedback?
There's a difference betweeen negative feedback and non-paying bidder warnings. With NPB, three strikes and you're out (although I'm not sure if that applies to multiples from the same member).
I feel for you man. I just got hosed on a V-Nightwing. I won it for $1 and noticed, before I bid, that he was charging $2.50 to ship. A bit pricey of a total cost for a non, but I need the piece and can't seem to get it through a trade. Stupid me missed the part where he required the $1.55 insurance. My fault completely. Now I'm paying $5 for a freaking HT non. Yeah, I was steamed, but it's my fault for not reading. So I took the hit and paid it. Live & learn.
$2.50 U.S. (plus insurance) isn't that bad really. From Canada to the U.S. where like 90% of my trades have happened, it costs me $5.60 Canadian (bout $4.00 U.S.) for Standard Air Mail, and then I still have to pay for a box.
I'm actually an ebay n00b with one whole transaction for 5 HC nons. Got charged about $1.50 each and total shipping was around $5.00 U.S. Kind of alot but you pick your spots and pay CLOSE attention to all shipping info. Even with the shipping, I couldn't pay that little an amount for those 5 nons total in my local stores.
To the poor guy with 30 odd VS cards...it's a rip-off charging that much, but it was clearly stated how much it would cost. I agree though that you should contact ebay to discuss insane shipping costs. It should not cost more than say $10.00 U.S. max (due to a fairly heavy package) to ship those cards out.
azrael101
08/09/2005, 11:57
I believe it's a violation of Ebay's user policy to charge excessive shipping. If this seller decides to file a complaint, ebay will agree that $30 shipping for 33 cards is excessive and will let you off the hook.
Correct and the reason for this is ebay doesn't get a cut off of shipping costs.
Correct and the reason for this is ebay doesn't get a cut off of shipping costs.His shipping is not outrageous on an idividual basis. If he stated he does not combined shipping costs, or says nothing at all, then I don't see how it would matter. He's still giving the guy a sizeable shipping discount. Have you seen the price of those hard plastic card sleeves? Sure, they're not that much, but they still cost money. I have a feeling the buyer is just annoyed because he screwed up and didn't pay attention to what he was buying.
What's wrong with all of you?!?! $2 shipping for a single card is way too much! It should cost like $0.49 for each card! If the shipping cost is more than the auction closing price, you're getting ripped off. (usually) If the only way you can make a profit is with the shipping costs, then you're a complete and total fraud. You're not supposed to make money off the shipping! The shipping cost is included in the auction because the buyer pays for the shipping. If you're paying $2 shipping for a flimsy sheet of cardboard that weighs less than a standard sheet of paper, you're getting ripped. Of course, if you win an auction like that then it's partly your fault as well, because you either didn't look at the shipping cost or assumed something or etc. When I ship 'clix, it usually costs me about $4.50 (canadian) for one or two clix in a small box. I would say more but I'm done for now.
Good Advice
08/09/2005, 16:45
Domi, the reallty is on small items shipping is where sellers make their money. There are several reasons for this. First off, as I and others have mentioned, there are less fees on shipping money. Also, the reallty is, an inexpensive item may only have one or two bidders, so even if someone is willing to pay $4 total for a clix, with shipping of $1, they may get it for $2 total and the seller makes no money. The seller could use BIN or higher starting bids, but again, more fees. If you think of shipping as purely paying for shipping then it seems like a rip, but then sellers wouldn't bother to list inexpensive items and that wouldn't help the buyers at all. As someone else said just consider shipping when you enter your maximum bid.
What's wrong with all of you?!?! $2 shipping for a single card is way too much! It should cost like $0.49 for each card! If the shipping cost is more than the auction closing price, you're getting ripped off. (usually) If the only way you can make a profit is with the shipping costs, then you're a complete and total fraud. You're not supposed to make money off the shipping! The shipping cost is included in the auction because the buyer pays for the shipping. If you're paying $2 shipping for a flimsy sheet of cardboard that weighs less than a standard sheet of paper, you're getting ripped. Of course, if you win an auction like that then it's partly your fault as well, because you either didn't look at the shipping cost or assumed something or etc. When I ship 'clix, it usually costs me about $4.50 (canadian) for one or two clix in a small box. I would say more but I'm done for now.You have to take into consideration what is being shipped. First, there's a card holder to keep the card in shape. Let's say this costs 20 cents. Next, there's the shipping fee. 37 cents minimum. There is the handling fee most people charge. Could easily say it's a dollar, and that's much cheaper than most places I've seen. So now we are at 1.57 to ship one card. To list a basic auction costs 25 cents, and ebay still gets a percentage of what the final price is. If you think people aren't trying to make up their fees in auctions, you are rather naive. We could say that combined with ebay's fees, the seller is now at roughly 2 dollars. All to ship a card that only sold for 62 cents. The seller, though seemingly not saying he combines shipping, did in fact combine shipping. It may not have been a great deal, but it's still half off of shipping, which means each card ships for a dollar now.
Superfro
08/09/2005, 17:04
$2.50 U.S. (plus gay insurance)
:cheeky:
Hey, don't knock Canada. It's got less money than the US, terrible budgets for health care and education, internal strife between major provinces... All the comforts of home. Actually, now that I think about it... Go ahead and make fun of Canada. Everyone else does... eh?
Hey, don't knock Canada. It's got less money than the US, terrible budgets for health care and education, internal strife between major provinces... All the comforts of home. Actually, now that I think about it... Go ahead and make fun of Canada. Everyone else does... eh?This reminds me of one of the many, many, MANY great Simpsons moments...
"I'm from Canada and they think I'm slow, eh...."
Would you believe me if I told you there was 4 feet of snow outside my front door right now?
Would you believe me if I told you there was 4 feet of snow outside my front door right now?No, I wouldn't. I would proclaim you a liar and demand that you send me Hal Jordan or Irene Adler to make up for it.
4 feet, huh? Wow... I haven't seen a foot of snow in years, let alone 4...
Well, gimme your adress and I'll send you both if I can find my shovel and dig my way to the post office.
russianspy1234
08/09/2005, 19:15
youre wrong, get over it. have you ever sold on ebay? it costs about 2 bucks just to list the item. how cheap did you get the cards? just add the shipping onto it, becasue selling with a reserve costs quite a bit. i sell clix on ebay, i charge 3 dollars shiping (plus 1$ for each additional item, but thats explicitly stated) this covers shipping, and ebay fees. some people charge even higher as a reserve, i wish i did because i recently lost alot of money when someone bought out a bunch of my stuff, including namor and darkseid for a penny each. did he say he would combine shipping? becasue not everyoone does that. now heres what you should do, tell him you want each card sent to you in a seperate package, becasue that is what you are paying for, and that will make him make alot less money on the deal. comparimising a cost would be a better idea though,
JasonPotapoff
08/09/2005, 19:37
I believe it's a violation of Ebay's user policy to charge excessive shipping. If this seller decides to file a complaint, ebay will agree that $30 shipping for 33 cards is excessive and will let you off the hook.
Not if it was clearly listed what the shipping would cost. Really if I was an E-bay seller and clearly listed how much shipping would cost (whether that's because I was trying to recoup some of the cost via the shipping, or was including buying packing material, or whatever the reason for why I determined it would cost X amount to ship said item) and someone complained about it becaues they didn't read the fine print and E-bay punished me for it... I'd be right p issed at E-Bay.
If a seller makes it clear in his posting how much shipping will cost, and the buyer agrees to it (which they do if they put in a bid) then E-bay should be supporting the seller in the dispute. Only if the seller made it misleading in how the shipping would be calculated should it be an issue. But of course since E-Bay takes their cut from the cost of the item and not the shipping, then they will probably be not happy if they think a seller is working around that by charging extra for shipping. Which I think is a bit bogus. Who is the judge on what's excessive for shipping? IF a seller says "this is what it will cost for shipping" and the buyer makes the bid then there should be no dispute. It's up to the buyer to check with the seller before he makes a bid to ensure that the shipping isn't too much for his liking.
why are you wasting your money on vs cards anyway...that game stinks out loud! spend your money on clix!
Apparently Vs audibly smells. :p
JasonPotapoff
08/09/2005, 19:59
What's wrong with all of you?!?! $2 shipping for a single card is way too much! It should cost like $0.49 for each card! If the shipping cost is more than the auction closing price, you're getting ripped off. (usually) If the only way you can make a profit is with the shipping costs, then you're a complete and total fraud. You're not supposed to make money off the shipping! The shipping cost is included in the auction because the buyer pays for the shipping. If you're paying $2 shipping for a flimsy sheet of cardboard that weighs less than a standard sheet of paper, you're getting ripped. Of course, if you win an auction like that then it's partly your fault as well, because you either didn't look at the shipping cost or assumed something or etc. When I ship 'clix, it usually costs me about $4.50 (canadian) for one or two clix in a small box. I would say more but I'm done for now.
Ya but the seller is supposed to make money. Considering the amount a seller has to pay to E-Bay and Pay-Pal and the low amount a single card would go for the only way a seller is going to break even is if he factors in some of E-bay's costs into his shipping. And if he clearly stated what the shipping was going to be for the sale then it's not the seller's fault that the buyer made the bid. If you don't like the shipping cost, and the seller listed the shipping cost in the auction, well too bad. You should't have made the bid then.
As it has been pointed out, the seller IS giving him a break on the shipping cost already. It would have been twice that if he charged him the shipping cost that he listed on the auction. In my opinion the only person being screwed here is the seller if he doesn't get paid, is given negative feedback or attention from E-Bay is being drawn to him. If the seller didn't like paying $2 shipping per card, then he shouldn't have made the bids.
I've been in similar situations where I made a bid, and didn't like what the seller ended up charging me for shiping. Since i'm in Canada often times I won't get an exact shipping charge listed just what it costs to send to the US, and the message "Shipping outside of US will be more, contact for details". And a few times the guy ended up charging me a lot more for shipping that he listed for US charges. But i've bought the bullet and paid for it, even when I was no longer getting such a good deal because it was my fault for not confirming what the shipping would be. That's why I normally only deal with a few sellers that i have already dealt with who clearly show their shipping prices to Canada or I know that they won't charge too much more then their listed US shipping charge. Anyone else I either ask first or take the risk of paying way too much.
But never would I think of complaining to E-Bay if it was entirely my fault. I reserve that only for cases where I can't work out an agreement with the seller first. And there have been cases where we've managed to work something out. Usually when it was a mistake on my part (not noticing that he doesn't ship to Canada, or doesn't take PayPal credit card accounts, or take PayPal at all, etc. ) Although sometimes it's a case of the seller not being clear enough or the fault of neither of us (ie. Post Office not delivering something).
There's a reason why I have a perfect record even though I had to back out of some transactions due to misunderstandings.
i've had my ebay account since june 2000, i've bought 3 items successfully, and i have a 0 feedback score.
that takes skill.
Good Advice
08/09/2005, 20:51
To everyone who says make them ship in 33 packages, consider he would then charge the full $66 shipping, nt such a good idea.
JasonPotapoff
08/09/2005, 23:53
Would you believe me if I told you there was 4 feet of snow outside my front door right now?
What part of Canada do you live in? Most places around my neck of the woods don't have snow...
To everyone who says make them ship in 33 packages, consider he would then charge the full $66 shipping, nt such a good idea.Excellent point.
falcarrion
08/10/2005, 00:47
I recently bought an le fig that was to come with a booster amount of figs if i did buy it now. I missed reading that it had to include insurance. when i wrote to him about the bootser worth of figs he wrote back in a rude manor. Unfortunetly for him i will never buy from him again. Considering he was a Rev I expected more from him as in respect.
I believe it's a violation of Ebay's user policy to charge excessive shipping. If this seller decides to file a complaint, ebay will agree that $30 shipping for 33 cards is excessive and will let you off the hook.
Sorry, but I think as the bidder you messed up on this one - and SuperGENE is right that they police excessive shipping for fee avoidance - but it is "shipping and handling" and ebay states that clearly. $2.00 for each auction item for shipping AND HANDLING will NOT be judged excessive. There's a lot of work involved. $30 for shipping one clix would be, but 33 individual auctions - no way!
When you bid, know the terms.
Generally really low cost auctions have a shipping and handling fee in the $2.00 and up range because 1) While you can't charge the customer for fees specifically they still have to be accounted for - and even a $.60 item costs a quarter each to post plus final value fees so the seller's out $9.00 there for this set of cards - plus paypal fees, materials costs, and stamps. 2) Sellers trying to grab you with low prices have to cover their inventory costs too. (3- I've seen up to $5.00 each charged - and those sellers are trying to make extra on shipping and don't tend to stick around that long)
If you go to ebay for "too good to be true" deals, then you have to know they usually are, just like anywhere else. Occasionally someone just wants to get rid of extra figures/cards and sell them really cheaply, and doesn't factor any time, and doesn't pay for shipping materials - but even they don't want to lose money for their time.
I really believe that a lot of people think brick and mortar shops are supposed to make money but ebay stores aren't allowed to.
Maniac_nmt
08/10/2005, 01:02
Wat were the cards??? If they are good then pay, if they are #### dont. Thats my opinion.
Boy I love how cruddy modern morals are.
He entered into a contract with the seller when he won those items. He agreed to pay for the items listed (and the seller appears to be giving a shipping discount 2x33 is 66).
You realise by not paying you aren't just running out on your contract, you are also costing the seller money. You have to pay to list items with ebay (part of how they make their money).
So by not paying, you are effectively robbing the seller, in addition to cheating him out of money you agreed to pay.
He took a hit, and while unfair, he should take responsibility like a man and pay up.
I Am The Game
08/10/2005, 01:37
I really believe that a lot of people think brick and mortar shops are supposed to make money but ebay stores aren't allowed to.
(Rant on, not directed at comical)
I don't have a problem with someone eBaying their stuff for cash, that's what it was intended for. The problem is, you take a gamble every time you put something up for bid: there's no guarantee you're gonna make a profit. The seller isn't entitled to making money every time, and people seem to think otherwise. If I decide to list a stack of Darkhawk comics or a handful of dirt, chances are I'm going to lose money, and hiking up the shipping and handling rates to compensate for that is not in good faith.
Good faith... the key to a happy transaction, and no one's mentioned that yet.
pseudosoldier
08/10/2005, 01:50
[H]iking up the shipping and handling rates to compensate for that is not in good faith.
In contrast, I think it's perfectly within "good faith" if it's clearly listed. The buyer can see you want excessive shipping, and decide whether they wish to buy at that price or not.
Good Advice
08/10/2005, 03:16
"So by not paying, you are effectively robbing the seller, in addition to cheating him out of money you agreed to pay."
Although I agree he should pay, the seller can get those fees back from EBAY and I do have sympathy for someone who is new to EBAY and made an honest mistake.
machineman
08/10/2005, 03:54
Sorry, no eBay links please.
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If this is true, you need to check out the very large banner-like post on the homepage my friend.
And to the guy that got hosed on the shipping:
I also feel your pain. Contact e-bay for your best plan of action.
pseudosoldier
08/10/2005, 09:05
If this [no links to eBay please] is true, you need to check out the very large banner-like post on the homepage my friend.
It is true, as the general rule. If you disagree with that assertion, then I think you'd find you were wrong. If you disagree with the policy that allows the owner of the site to make a one-time, charity-donating, special offer for an incredible collection, while others aren't allowed to post links to their REV Spoiler or Vs. cards auction, then that's another matter. I'd encourage you to take your comments on that to this other thread (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144362).
PirateRoberts
08/10/2005, 11:18
Something even funnier is the the fact that the owner/creator of this site breaks his own rules. The rules state NO EBAY LINKS, YET he puts his auctions Linked to the Front Page that all of us see!
machineman
08/10/2005, 21:15
Something even funnier is the the fact that the owner/creator of this site breaks his own rules. The rules state NO EBAY LINKS, YET he puts his auctions Linked to the Front Page that all of us see!
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Yeah, I thought it was kinda funny. Thanks Pirate. Now that I know it's the owner of the site, it's hilarious. Hypocracy always makes me laugh. And to you Pseudo, what's it to ya? Lighten up.
absolutvt69
08/11/2005, 01:25
There's already a thread about this and really if the guy owns this site he can do what he wants. I'd delete some of your accounts just for the heck of it since you're being so critical of that one action.
There's already a thread about this and really if the guy owns this site he can do what he wants. I'd delete some of your accounts just for the heck of it since you're being so critical of that one action.I get the feeling if you ran this site, there would be about five people here... including yourself. ;)
I don't have a problem with someone eBaying their stuff for cash, that's what it was intended for. The problem is, you take a gamble every time you put something up for bid: there's no guarantee you're gonna make a profit. The seller isn't entitled to making money every time, and people seem to think otherwise. If I decide to list a stack of Darkhawk comics or a handful of dirt, chances are I'm going to lose money, and hiking up the shipping and handling rates to compensate for that is not in good faith.
Good faith... the key to a happy transaction, and no one's mentioned that yet.
You're definitely right - there's no guarantee.
and good faith is the KEY to success on ebay.
In this case, the seller protected his investment with a reasonable $2.00 charge per auction. The buyer, by trying to change those terms AFTER the bidding is done, is the one not acting in good faith here. Bidding was based on the terms of sale as posted - so if a lower shipping rate was listed bidding could have been higher (maybe not, but maybe) so to ask for the change in shipping later is not fair to the seller. He set the terms, and is even agreeable enough to cut those "terms" in half.
And yes, the seller can get their money back - but I don't think many here realize how time consuming this is - and that costs money! You have to wait a few days, put in a separate claim for each item, wait for the buyer response, and then file a final claim after 7 days or something like that. Plus you have to re-enter all those items in whatever inventory system you use - and spend all the time to repost all those items. Even factoring just minimum wage this could cost you $10.00 or more in "salary."
If it's just a newbie mistake, so be it - you deal with it. And that applies to both sides of the transaction.
torontcollectr
08/11/2005, 09:55
Our 2 cents-
While yes the seller is "ripping you off" in shipping fees, he did announce ahead of time what the shipping cost is, and that he did not mention combining.
We faced a similar situation once. We won 3 heroclix auctions for Uniques (1 U per auction), the seller refused to combine. So we "nickled and dimed" him. We paid for 1 and told him when it arrives, we would pay for the 2nd, and so forth for the 3rd. In this manner we completed the transaction- forced the seller to have actual shipping costs (including going to the post office 3 times), as well he gets nicked from paypal for 3 fees. Of course we never dealt with him again. HA HA
As sellers on ebay we have always offered combined shipping, and are always negotiable- offering different methods based on the buyer's preference.
Feedback is essential, but more so is communication. Yes each listing prob, cost .10 to .25 (so seller makes nothing, when combined with final value fees, and paypal fees). A smarter seller starts his items at the minimum he is willing to accept, or places a reserve. At the same time ebay prohibits EXCESSIVE shipping charges. and a seller can face sanction if it is thought that the seller is gouging.
Good luck and as usual--- Buyer Beware!
absolutvt69
08/11/2005, 10:47
I get the feeling if you ran this site, there would be about five people here... including yourself. ;)
Actually that was just for emphasis. Just want people to realize that this guy is LETTING us play in his sandbox. If he decides to do something different we really have no right to complain. I mean if I had a huge baseball card collection and owned a website about baseball cards with a decent number of users and I decided to sell a bunch of my baseball cards... of course I'm going to post it on that site... you'd be stupid not to.
VandalSavage
08/11/2005, 13:11
Actually that was just for emphasis. Just want people to realize that this guy is LETTING us play in his sandbox. If he decides to do something different we really have no right to complain. I mean if I had a huge baseball card collection and owned a website about baseball cards with a decent number of users and I decided to sell a bunch of my baseball cards... of course I'm going to post it on that site... you'd be stupid not to.
Except for the fact that several people pay to play in this sandbox. And 10% is hardly charity enough to warrant the Front Page listing... Another do as I say, Not as I do person! And as far as sites go, this one has good people, but there are far better forums on the net... DVDtalk is WAY better in almost every way but one, The lack of Heroclix players...Ha Ha!
Mr. Savage
absolutvt69
08/11/2005, 16:34
Except for the fact that several people pay to play in this sandbox. And 10% is hardly charity enough to warrant the Front Page listing... Another do as I say, Not as I do person! And as far as sites go, this one has good people, but there are far better forums on the net... DVDtalk is WAY better in almost every way but one, The lack of Heroclix players...Ha Ha!
Mr. Savage
No one has to pay to use this site. If you don't want to pay you don't have to. If you want to not renew your donation after this then that's up to you but regardless of whether you donate or not it doesn't mean this guy can't do what he wants with his site. Whether 10% goes to charity or not is completely irrelevant. I think it's funny though that people are chiding the guy for "ONLY" giving 10% to charity. You realize he didn't have to donate anything right? I'm willing to wager most people here who use eBay didn't donate any part of their last sale to charity. His auction "warranted a front page listing" b/c this is his site and he can do what he wants. There's no other explanation needed.
No one has to pay to use this site. If you don't want to pay you don't have to. If you want to not renew your donation after this then that's up to you but regardless of whether you donate or not it doesn't mean this guy can't do what he wants with his site. Whether 10% goes to charity or not is completely irrelevant. I think it's funny though that people are chiding the guy for "ONLY" giving 10% to charity. You realize he didn't have to donate anything right? I'm willing to wager most people here who use eBay didn't donate any part of their last sale to charity. His auction "warranted a front page listing" b/c this is his site and he can do what he wants. There's no other explanation needed.I pay to use this site because I choose to support a place I spend most of my online at time. I have no qualms with that. I also have no qualms with him posting his sale thread on the front page. It doesn't affect me in either way. I was annoyed at first, but then it was just "meh."
Good Advice
08/11/2005, 17:05
Obviously since its his site he has the right to do as he pleases, but people also have the right feel its obnoxious because no one else can ever post ebay links in trade threads. No matter how you feel, its just not that big a deal.
absolutvt69
08/12/2005, 14:32
Obviously since its his site he has the right to do as he pleases, but people also have the right feel its obnoxious because no one else can ever post ebay links in trade threads. No matter how you feel, its just not that big a deal.
Technically the people here have no rights at all. It's private property and as such isn't subject to freedom of speech or any of that other stuff. He has the right to do what he wants with his property. People who don't like it have the right to leave... that's about it.
Good Advice
08/12/2005, 15:06
People have a right to voice their opinions here. They can be banned for it, but until that happens they can say as they please. Although as I said before, in this particular case, its really not a big deal. This thread seems to be pretty much over.
We faced a similar situation once. We won 3 heroclix auctions for Uniques (1 U per auction), the seller refused to combine. So we "nickled and dimed" him. We paid for 1 and told him when it arrives, we would pay for the 2nd, and so forth for the 3rd. In this manner we completed the transaction- forced the seller to have actual shipping costs (including going to the post office 3 times), as well he gets nicked from paypal for 3 fees. Of course we never dealt with him again. HA HA
SWEET! I bet that toasted him good....I'll have to remember that one....
absolutvt69
08/12/2005, 16:51
People have a right to voice their opinions here. They can be banned for it, but until that happens they can say as they please. Although as I said before, in this particular case, its really not a big deal. This thread seems to be pretty much over.
But technically they don't "have a right" to voice anything. People love to talk about their rights and what they are able to do but in a privately owned space like this none of those rights truly exist. They are ALLOWED to post their opinions here, they do not have the right to do so.
machineman
08/13/2005, 05:26
There's already a thread about this and really if the guy owns this site he can do what he wants. I'd delete some of your accounts just for the heck of it since you're being so critical of that one action.
I have stated in that other famous thread and on this one, I don't give a rat's fat whisker-biscuit what the guy does, I just thought it was funny for a mod to post that statement at that particular time. I'm glad he doesn't delete our accounts, but if he did, I would just have a harder time trading for figures I want to trade for. Big Whoopity Dip! Some of you guys act like you're related to the guy. I meant nothing personal by my little quip. Just thought it was funny. That's all. Some people are really upset with it, they posted their feelings about it. I thought it was funny, I posted about it. I've read that damn "sorry, no e-bay links" message several, several times, and when I read the front page ad that day, it was funny! I think it's a damn fine thing that the guy is donating part to charity---who cares how much of it. With the prices e-bay charges for those auctions, it's a wonder anyone can donate any part of it to charity without taking a big loss. I think it's a damn fine thing he posts links to his e-bay auction on the front page of his website. I don't even sell stuff on e-bay, so the no-links policy doesn't affect me at all, except to make me laugh when I see it. Why the heck are they threatened by e-bay links in the first place? I don't really care to know that either. I don't want to be the proverbial dead-horse-beater, but after I just saw your nice remarks all over this thread, I had to come-out of my self-induced lurker status to point out the fact that I don't care what anybody does here- the owner, moderators, anonymous little people like me or wanna-be sycophants like others on here-- unless it affects my trading or is funny or otherwise entertaining/interesting. With that I will shut-up. You're welcome.
absolutvt69
08/13/2005, 23:26
I have stated in that other famous thread and on this one, I don't give a rat's fat whisker-biscuit what the guy does, I just thought it was funny for a mod to post that statement at that particular time. I'm glad he doesn't delete our accounts, but if he did, I would just have a harder time trading for figures I want to trade for. Big Whoopity Dip! Some of you guys act like you're related to the guy. I meant nothing personal by my little quip. Just thought it was funny. That's all. Some people are really upset with it, they posted their feelings about it. I thought it was funny, I posted about it. I've read that damn "sorry, no e-bay links" message several, several times, and when I read the front page ad that day, it was funny! I think it's a damn fine thing that the guy is donating part to charity---who cares how much of it. With the prices e-bay charges for those auctions, it's a wonder anyone can donate any part of it to charity without taking a big loss. I think it's a damn fine thing he posts links to his e-bay auction on the front page of his website. I don't even sell stuff on e-bay, so the no-links policy doesn't affect me at all, except to make me laugh when I see it. Why the heck are they threatened by e-bay links in the first place? I don't really care to know that either. I don't want to be the proverbial dead-horse-beater, but after I just saw your nice remarks all over this thread, I had to come-out of my self-induced lurker status to point out the fact that I don't care what anybody does here- the owner, moderators, anonymous little people like me or wanna-be sycophants like others on here-- unless it affects my trading or is funny or otherwise entertaining/interesting. With that I will shut-up. You're welcome.
My only reply will be, you obviously do care since you've wasted a decent amount of time ranting about it in this and another topic.
machineman
08/14/2005, 06:03
wow, you really don't get it........
Oh, and I'm not wasting any time, I'm at work :grin:
absolutvt69
08/16/2005, 13:02
wow, you really don't get it........
Oh, and I'm not wasting any time, I'm at work :grin:
No I get it. You want to pretend you don't care but then when someone disagrees you throw veiled insults and state you don't care what anyone else thinks and that you're done posting... and then you turn around and post again b/c despite your "not caring" you have to have the last word. I think I understand it pretty well.
machineman
08/16/2005, 19:28
Wow, you really don't get it.....oh yeah I already pointed that out. I was only joking when I said I would never post again and should just "lurk" the threads. And, I'm sorry, was my insult veiled? I think it was pretty clear that I think you are acting like a brown-noser. Last word? please keep posting. I won't need to say anything else as you will keep making my point for me. I'm not angry, and I really don't care about the previous subject of what the owner of the site posts, which your posts directed at me seemingly have nothing to do with. I have never had a problem with any posts the owner has made(at least posts I know of, in actuality I'm aware of only two, which were about the same subject). I do, however, have a problem with you or others on here who act like they need to defend the owner, when someone makes a joke(me), or disagrees with their posts(not me--because I don't care). They are just giving their opinoins. I know throughout life there are countless sheep that feel the need to spit-shine the herdsman's boots, and that's the only problem I have been meaning to point out, so I apologise for not making that clear. So to you I say "Baaaa" baby.
Travesty
08/16/2005, 21:15
OK, Back to the point of the post.
If we look up the name Marvel_master on an Ebay search, Instead of setting the guy on fire for price gouging.
One might see that the only match is a person from Germany.
Unless it was a different Marvel_Master, I personally have to say Pay the man or dont use Ebay again.
absolutvt69
08/17/2005, 01:26
Wow, you really don't get it.....oh yeah I already pointed that out. I was only joking when I said I would never post again and should just "lurk" the threads. And, I'm sorry, was my insult veiled? I think it was pretty clear that I think you are acting like a brown-noser. Last word? please keep posting. I won't need to say anything else as you will keep making my point for me. I'm not angry, and I really don't care about the previous subject of what the owner of the site posts, which your posts directed at me seemingly have nothing to do with. I have never had a problem with any posts the owner has made(at least posts I know of, in actuality I'm aware of only two, which were about the same subject). I do, however, have a problem with you or others on here who act like they need to defend the owner, when someone makes a joke(me), or disagrees with their posts(not me--because I don't care). They are just giving their opinoins. I know throughout life there are countless sheep that feel the need to spit-shine the herdsman's boots, and that's the only problem I have been meaning to point out, so I apologise for not making that clear. So to you I say "Baaaa" baby.
So b/c my opinion is different than yours I'm not allowed to express it and if I do I should be insulted and called a sheep or a brown-noser? Could it be that GASP I simply have a different opinion?? I state my opinion that I disagree w/ you and you have a problem with that. So you should be allowed to say whatever you want but should someone dare disagree then you'll be forced to unleash childish insults on them? Glad you've contradicted yourself and stuck your foot in your mouth. Now continue replying about how you "don't care" what anyone thinks and you're "not going to respond anymore" and show us just how much of a hypocrite you really are.
absolutvt69
08/17/2005, 01:28
OK, Back to the point of the post.
If we look up the name Marvel_master on an Ebay search, Instead of setting the guy on fire for price gouging.
One might see that the only match is a person from Germany.
Unless it was a different Marvel_Master, I personally have to say Pay the man or dont use Ebay again.
Actuall I think he got the name reversed. If the seller was overseas then he really wouldn't have much of a beef at all (not saying he does now).
machineman
08/17/2005, 05:18
At the risk of sounding redundant(why not, you certainly are- and stop making things up about me to enforce your tirade, btw)-----wow! you really don't get it........
machineman
08/17/2005, 06:19
So b/c my opinion is different than yours I'm not allowed to express it and if I do I should be insulted and called a sheep or a brown-noser?
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What do you have against sheep?
It is not due to the fact that your opinion is different than mine that I have posted anything at all. I keep posting replies for 2 reasons(the second reason may be found below). The first reason is that you are simply ignoring what I am saying, and making up some big fantasy where I am attacking your opinions and the actions of the site owner. All I am trying to say is that I thought it was a funny thing to read on this particular thread, on that particular day. You never acknowledge that fact, and fabricate some fantastic tale of how I am trying to conspire against the owner of this site. Originally, I never even said what the owner did was funny. I said what the Mod wrote on this thread was funny. But you didn't jump to the Mod's aid, you skipped that level entirely, and went straight to the top. Hence the brown-nosing reference from me.
Could it be that GASP I simply have a different opinion?? I state my opinion that I disagree w/ you and you have a problem with that.
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Never said I had a problem with your opinion, in fact, your opinion seems to change so often it's hard to pinpoint it exactly. In an earlier post on this thread you state, "But technically they don't "have a right" to voice anything. People love to talk about their rights and what they are able to do but in a privately owned space like this none of those rights truly exist. They are ALLOWED to post their opinions here, they do not have the right to do so." Now you're flaunting yours around like you have some "right" to it on this site. (which I believe that you do, you're the one who thinks that you don't. Correction: you believe no one else has that right evidently)
So you should be allowed to say whatever you want but should someone dare disagree then you'll be forced to unleash childish insults on them? Glad you've contradicted yourself and stuck your foot in your mouth. Now continue replying about how you "don't care" what anyone thinks and you're "not going to respond anymore" and show us just how much of a hypocrite you really are.
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Wow! when you put it like that, "you'll be forced to unleash childish insults", you make me sound so powerful. Here you go again, making like it's a bad thing that I have an opinion, and only yours is valid. See that's where you are taking your own faults and applying them to me. It's my opinion that you are acting like a brown-noser, and very akin to the herd-like people we all encounter every day. I guess its your opinion that you are not. I have no problem with that. I've never said you were delusional(as far as you know).I do not care what you think. Let me put that in a more "conformist" way for you. I do not care that you think the way that you do. I do, however, find posting back and forth with you very amusing. And I stated earlier---- funny, entertaining, or interesting--- that's all I'm after and my 2nd reason for this back-and-forth with you. I save true loathe and disgust for the real people I must put up with. Like at work. Not here on a gaming site message board.
As fun as this has been for me, I will take pity on the other people who are reading this tripe, and stop my selfish pleasure. You may reply at will, sir. No retaliation will be offered.
absolutvt69
08/17/2005, 17:40
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Never said I had a problem with your opinion, in fact, your opinion seems to change so often it's hard to pinpoint it exactly. In an earlier post on this thread you state, "But technically they don't "have a right" to voice anything. People love to talk about their rights and what they are able to do but in a privately owned space like this none of those rights truly exist. They are ALLOWED to post their opinions here, they do not have the right to do so." Now you're flaunting yours around like you have some "right" to it on this site. (which I believe that you do, you're the one who thinks that you don't. Correction: you believe no one else has that right evidently)
And yet you have the nerve to claim I'm making things up. I never said I had a "right" to post an opinion here. I'm allowed to just like everyone else. If a moderator chooses to delete my posts I have no problem with that. Perhaps you could focus on what I actually said instead of trying to tell me what I believe. And don't bother w/ the "conformist" bs. The only thing I've said is that the owner of this site has the right to do whatever he wants with his property. That's not an opinion that's a fact. It has nothing to do with brown-nosing or being a sheep, it has to do with ownership. And you can drop the "I'm doing this b/c it's amusing.. I don't really care what anyone thinks" stuff too. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't have posted over and over again and you would have let the matter drop when I posted back on topic. Instead you simply proved that you DO care and that I was right when I said you had to get the last word in. I tried to get the topic back on track and you had to make not one but two posts after that. Thanks for proving me right. Now I'm going to let this go b/c it's gotten completely stupid and it's really not worth my time. Feel free to respond if you'd like but all you'll do is prove me right once again and I'm not going to reply b/c then I'd be just as bad as you.
Good Advice
08/17/2005, 17:56
I recommend you both give this one up...
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