Question concerning the rule of 3.

[Spider-fan39]

ok can you use a heacy object and close combat expert or heavy object and 1-3 perplexs to exceed the rule of 3? someone was trying to say that objects dont count towards the rule of 3 is this true?

[normalview]

ok can you use a heacy object and close combat expert or heavy object and 1-3 perplexs to exceed the rule of 3? someone was trying to say that objects dont count towards the rule of 3 is this true?


Well, you can't use objects with CCE. It specifically says so in the CCE Power description.

However, objects add to Damage Dealt, *not* Damage Value. As such, you can Perplex your Damage Value up 3 times, then when calculating Damage Dealt you'll factor in the object.

So, yes, objects do not count towards the Rule of 3.

[K-Ness]

ok can you use a heacy object and close combat expert or heavy object and 1-3 perplexs to exceed the rule of 3? someone was trying to say that objects dont count towards the rule of 3 is this true?For this example, I will use Magog.


The Rule of 3 affects Combat Values only. These are the values printed on the dial. None of which can be modified by more (or less) than 3. Perplex (And Enhancement) add to combat values and are thus affected by the Rule of 3. Close Combat Expert and Ranged Combat Expert also add to combat values.

Objects are different. They add to Damage DEALT. This is not a combat value and is not affected by the rule of three. Someone with close combat expert can be perplexed 3 times and then use Close Combat Expert, the Rule of 3 brings it dfown to only +3 on damage. Now, on with Magog.

Magog grabs a Soda Machine. his standard damage value is 5. 3 Perplexers bring this damage up to 8. Magog charges in and smacks KC Superman with Exploit Weakness, dealing 8 damage, plus 3 from the Soda Machine for a total of 11 clicks of damage.

Just remember, Objects add to Damage Dealt and thus can bypass the rule of 3. Objects can also bypass the restrictions of Power Dampening Field.

[CurBludgeon]

Magog grabs a Soda Machine. his standard damage value is 5. 3 Perplexers bring this damage up to 8. Magog charges in and smacks KC Superman with Exploit Weakness, dealing 8 damage, plus 3 from the Soda Machine for a total of 11 clicks of damage.

So would this be the correct calculation?

1) KC Supes takes 8 clicks.

2) Then he takes the 3 clicks of object damage, subject to whatever damage-reducing powers he has AFTER the first 8 clicks? (Which looks like toughness, so it becomes 2 clicks?)

[normalview]

So would this be the correct calculation?

1) KC Supes takes 8 clicks.

2) Then he takes the 3 clicks of object damage, subject to whatever damage-reducing powers he has AFTER the first 8 clicks? (Which looks like toughness, so it becomes 2 clicks?)


No. From the Universe PAC:
EXPLOIT WEAKNESS (optional): Give this character a close combat action. Damage from this attack cannot be reduced by any power that reduces damage dealt.

So, since EW prevents damage reducers from reducing the Damage Dealt (and the object adds to the Damage Dealt), Superman will be taking all 11 clicks right in the teeth. It takes a little work to set it up sometimes, but Magog can one-hit kill any non-Big figure in the game.

[K-Ness]

So would this be the correct calculation?

1) KC Supes takes 8 clicks.

2) Then he takes the 3 clicks of object damage, subject to whatever damage-reducing powers he has AFTER the first 8 clicks? (Which looks like toughness, so it becomes 2 clicks?)No.

1) KC Superman takes 11, killing him instantly. 530 points for opponent.

2) All damage is dealt at the same time on an attack.

[Quebbster]

Also, object damage is dealt at the same time as the basic attack damage, so even if Magog didn't use his EW, he would still deal 9 damage to C-note. As long as supes don't nail his Imp roll of course.