Hal Jordan -or- No, I don't have a first born son to trade you.

[jedah_s]

honest question.
how much is he *really* worth now?
last couple of ebay auctions i've seen for him, he's come in at well under $30. Some around $20.

why is it so hard to trade for one here?
it's really frustrating, i've had some pretty good stuff in the past.... and no one is ever interested in trading a hal.

i'd rather not go the ebay route.... but i'm ready to give up looking for him here.

[TheFreak]

I think it's the character. Few people want to get rid of him, because they are partial to the cahracter. Not sure why though...I think it's a case of rose colored goggles looking back at him when they were kids...that's the only thing I can think...

[T'Chaka]

Pm'd you outta sheer guilt. :)

[Captain_Comet]

I think it's the character. Few people want to get rid of him, because they are partial to the cahracter. Not sure why though...I think it's a case of rose colored goggles looking back at him when they were kids...that's the only thing I can think...

For me its the look on the other players face when he comes out, and then later when he hits them for 6 clicks of damage (Thanks U-Men :) ).

[jedah_s]

I think it's the character. Few people want to get rid of him, because they are partial to the cahracter. Not sure why though...I think it's a case of rose colored goggles looking back at him when they were kids...that's the only thing I can think...

this answer brings this question to mind.
if he means that much to some people.... how does he wind up on a trade thread?
i love my atom to pieces... he's not on a trade thread.
neither are my kc supes or kc lantern.
the stuff on my trade thread is stuff... i'm actually willing to trade away.

my friend has never said to me, "hey, put my galactus up on the trade forum. i don't actually want to trade him, i just want to be re-affirmed that he's valuable and means alot to me."

[Darth Sabre]

I hate when people put stuff up, just to see if what offers they will get.

As for Hal, not only is he a really good piece, but he's alsoa popular character, and extremely rare. He was a Marquee prize. So factor all those in, and people are not so willing to trade one off.

[VermillionSL]

i think ppl just want more than he's worth because they could probably get it for Hal. he's a major fan favorite character, in addition to being pretty good (although his AV is kinda low...).

some ppl even collect multiple copies of him, for reasons i have yet to decipher...

i'm sure if you try hard enough, ur bound to find someone to give him up in a fair trade. good luck.

[CornsilkSW]

i only have the one that i fought the hardest clix battle i've ever played in to get. I managed to beat a KC superman in the last round to win him and I love the character to boot. I'm not trading the one i got for those two reasons and also because i'm making a spectre outfit mod to play with his base.

i'd contemplate trading him if they ever make a parallax figure but even then i'd still hesitate.
~Silk

[d_knight7]

I don't get the problem.

You want a piece.

Someone offers the piece.

You are not prepared to meet his price.

You do not buy it.


Unless cops come in to your home and force you to buy it for his inflated price you have no complaint beyond "I want it but he wont sell it at a price I want!"

Guess what, I want a big screen TV, but those leeches want thousands of dollars for it! Why wont they sell me one for $50?

[jedah_s]

i only have the one that i fought the hardest clix battle i've ever played in to get. I managed to beat a KC superman in the last round to win him and I love the character to boot. I'm not trading the one i got for those two reasons and also because i'm making a spectre outfit mod to play with his base.

i'd contemplate trading him if they ever make a parallax figure but even then i'd still hesitate.
~Silk

I'm willing to bet that your hal isn't on your trade list either.


I don't get the problem.

You want a piece.

Someone offers the piece.

You are not prepared to meet his price.

You do not buy it.


Unless cops come in to your home and force you to buy it for his inflated price you have no complaint beyond "I want it but he wont sell it at a price I want!"

Guess what, I want a big screen TV, but those leeches want thousands of dollars for it! Why wont they sell me one for $50?

the problem is, keeping with your apt tv analogy....

you go into the store with the thousands of dollars needed for the big screen tv.
and the store owner says to you, "yeah, that's what we were asking. but you know, this big screen tv means a lot to me. i'm afraid you're going to have to offer more or i'm not going to sell it to you."

try dealing with that everytime you go in to buy your big screen tv.
you'd get frustrated after awhile.
especially when someone says, "i don't understand, just pay more. it's not like anyone is forcing you to."

[JGrim]

I own a Hal Jordan LE. I bought him off eBay for $30 a while back...

Hal's a fan-favorite, pure and simple.

Why do you think they brought him back?

I'm a DIE-HARD Hal Jordan fan...Always have been, always will be.

I mean, the point that The Freak brought up is valid...People my age want to hold on to their childhood. Hal was GL the entire time I was growing up. Same as Barry Allen was The Flash and Oliver Queen was Green Arrow. We are used to the heroes we grew up with. That's why it was hard in the 90's for a lot of comic fans to embrace characters like Kyle Rainer and Connor Hawke. Good concepts...Bad Timing. But then again, people probably thought the same way 45 or 50 years ago when Justice League showed up and Barry Allen started running around as The Flash.

Besides...My Hal Jordan LE makes THE ULTIMATE TEAM-UP OF ALL TIME with my Oliver Queen LE.

ALL HAIL THE HARD TRAVELING HEROES!!!

Just my thoughts...

[d_knight7]

the problem is, keeping with your apt tv analogy....

you go into the store with the thousands of dollars needed for the big screen tv.
and the store owner says to you, "yeah, that's what we were asking. but you know, this big screen tv means a lot to me. i'm afraid you're going to have to offer more or i'm not going to sell it to you."

try dealing with that everytime you go in to buy your big screen tv.
you'd get frustrated after awhile.
especially when someone says, "i don't understand, just pay more. it's not like anyone is forcing you to."

Except you've never said you can't get a Hal for the accepted worth, what you said is you've seen him going cheaper for sale on Ebay than what people want to trade him for. He's usually thought of as having $40-$50 of worth, KC Supes, KC GL, KC Flash lvl of worth in other words.
Then you scan ebay for times that, for whatever reasons, he sells at under-costed prices. Then you get mad that people won't trade at the occassional price you've seen on ebay.

So let's say we live in a barter system.

The big screen TV is worth 5 gold coins or 3 chickens.

You see some people sell their big screen TV's for 4 gold.

You ask to trade 2 chickens for the TV and the man says no he wants 3, that's the established trade.

What you are confusing is you are looking at the lowest possible the thing has went at, where as to set value you go from the highest. So it's worth 3 chickens, even if a few guys sell it for less. If you want it for less find a discount seller, don't get angry and demand everyone drops their price.

If you see such bargains on ebay, buy them. Trade is based on ebay value, but it is not a direct mirror of that value. So one guy had this sentimentality nonsense, go look elsewhere. He'll sit on his Hal until he stops trying to trade it or loses the silliness. But, we live in a free society, I am allowed to ask for a ton in gold for a golf ball I found if I so wish, I just won't sell it.

[jedah_s]

the whole point of the thread was to find out what is hal's accepted worth.

and to vent my frustration at a trade board full of people who list him to make their have list look cool, but can't bear to part with him because of how much they like him.... even if you offer several of the wants from their list.

you say he's worth the same in trade as kc supes, kc gl and kc flash.
we happen to disagree, but thanks for your input.

and as for this part

Then you scan ebay for times that, for whatever reasons, he sells at under-costed prices. Then you get mad that people won't trade at the occassional price you've seen on ebay.


i'm not sure how a steady decline in price on ebay since his release counts as an "occassional" thing.
i'm sure you'll be happy to explain it to me.
make sure you dumb it way down for me.

[Bubblehead]

It's all relative. Pony up for a trade or buy it on ebay. Their "worth" is a variant. Something more or less to you and the trader/seller. Just do it and get it over with. Or don't do it and continue to be frustrated. I have a LE Hal Jordan but I wouldn't trade him. Well I would if it was too good of a deal to pass up. But then again, that might not be something(s) you would be willing to part with to get him.


I got him for helping clean up the first round of the first regional for WWLA. Oh yeah, I got Hector Hall, Querl Dox, and Dmitri Pushkin too. The judge was just thankful that someone would help clean up about 60 players boosters packaging and food wrappers and cups.

A fair trade I think. :)

See, so it's all relative on what Hal Jordan is worth. He's worth some janitorial services.

[T'Chaka]

I have an extra Hal because I traded away an extra Ares for him. He has no sentimental value. At the time, it was an equitable trade by monetary or eBay value, maybe even in the other guy's favor.

But Hal Jordan is one of the names in the DC Universe, and a great LE to boot, so he seems worth more than the sum of his parts and not easily traded away, even for multiples of lower end uniques or LE's.

If anybody out there has an extra REV set of Icons, though, drop me a pm and he's yours! ;)

[tom730]

I've got 2 Hal Jordan LEs, due to a lot of trading.

I'd happily part with one PLUS other stuff for one of the 2 remaining figs I need -
namely IC Bruce Banner or IC Victor Creed.

It's all about what you want, if you're a trader/collector. If I still need a Rupert I'd swap a Hal in a heartbeat to get one, even throw stuff in as "sweeteners".

Just my 2 cents.

[d_knight7]

the whole point of the thread was to find out what is hal's accepted worth.

Funny, I thought it was for you to tell people what it should be worth based on your opinion...

and to vent my frustration at a trade board full of people who list him to make their have list look cool, but can't bear to part with him because of how much they like him.... even if you offer several of the wants from their list.

A board full of people who do that huh? Exaggerate much? Yeah you vented your frustration, then when people questioned why you were frustrated you got snippy, well done.

you say he's worth the same in trade as kc supes, kc gl and kc flash.
we happen to disagree, but thanks for your input.

No I told you what his accepted worth is, accepted by the majority. You see, as I have mentioned before, your problem is that people do not share your view of what he is worth, and that angers you.


i'm not sure how a steady decline in price on ebay since his release counts as an "occassional" thing.
i'm sure you'll be happy to explain it to me.
make sure you dumb it way down for me.

I don't feel the need to dumb it down, because I do not think you are dumb, the other example was just as clear as I could make it. While I do not find you to be dumb I do find you to be a bit of a baby when you don't get your own way, either with trades or conversations.

You're moaning about nothing. No-one swindled you, no one promised you something then welched, no-one took your money and ran. All that happened is someone wouldn't trade you something you wanted for the price you were prepared to pay. Yes the guy was being greedy and silly but it is his right to be because it's his piece to trade. Take a deep breath and find a trader who is more reasonable, just don't expect to get everything your own way just because you will it so.

Peace.

[jedah_s]

i stand corrected, you know better than i what the point of my thread was.

i mean re-reading the first two sentences of the first post, you can see why i'm easily confused.

[tchipley]

Jedah_s

To try answer your questions:
1. Ebay is a good indicator of worth and one that is most commonly used by traders to determine worth. It is not however the only one. Some people have different measures of worth (Sentimental is one the comes to mind.) I don't know what all those exact measures are, but that is why they won't trade.

2. There is a large sentimental attachment to the character for many of the older gamers. Hal was their Green Lantern like Kyle Rayner (or Guy Gardner) is to the younger crowd. For the gamers that won him in a tournament it was probably a hard fought victory (Especially in Unleashed sealed events where KC Superman was a "golden ticket" win.) For those reasons they won't trade him.

3. The people that post Hal with no intention to trade him are fatheads. Pure and simple. They are a pain the the Arse and just clog the boards with meanless posts as people try their darndest to get him. I refer to this type or trader (and l use *trader* loosely) as a Kookamungus. They either want something insane for him (Your Galactus, KC Supes and Ares) or your offer is never good enough. Forget about them and make a note to avoid tradign with them. You can also try a more direct approach and post directly on the trade thread your offer instead of a PM. See what happens and go from there.

P.S. Some people do post Hal and figures like him on a trade thread just to brag about what they got. It's in bad form. They should just make a non-trade thread and post if they need their egos stroked. About the Braggart: See "Fathead" above :)

[Mr. Hypno]

A lad I regularly play clix with recently picked one up on e bay for $30.00 and asked why I havn't done the same since I'm a big Hal Jordan fan AND a clixer. The answer was simple. I don't want to drop $30.00 for this piece. It would be great if I could pick it up for a lot less, but that's how much it's going for. I could be bitter and angry with him, since he only wants the piece for it's competitive value and not for any sentimental value. (He's a card carrying member of the Bruce Wayne Back Rub Club.) Instead, I complimented him on his good fortune in getting a great, hard to find piece representing a character that knocked Batman on his big fat brooding arse.

Sometimes you're down then you're right back up again.

That being said, good luck in finding one for the price you'd like or the trade you can deal with.

[d_knight7]

you say he's worth the same in trade as kc supes, kc gl and kc flash. we happen to disagree, but thanks for your input.

Well I already answered your question as shown above.

Good luck getting him though, he's a good piece and your trade offer was more than fair. Do not judge everyone by a few kooks. If I did that I wouldn't have all the hcrealms trades under my belt that I do, believe me I've exchanged PM's with all kinds of bad traders :cross-eye

There was one guy who was so fixated on Ebay prices that he wanted some nons because the exact dallar amounts didn't exactly sync up :confused: