Who will Dominate the ICONS Marquee [Archive]

rock810

09/19/2005, 12:08

While superman is such a major piece in the ICONS set to pull, I feel he will have trouble with the 300 point games. People are having trouble pulling superman at all so his rarity may make him see limited play at the marquee. However, I have seen Blackfire pulled more times then not and have seen her played. Her low point cost and highly efficient range, damage and attack value make her a great piece. I personally think Blackfire is going to be the piece that helps people walk away with the Princess Koriand'r Le.

TheFreak

09/19/2005, 12:08

i went with Supes, just because he is just a monster...kinda harkens back to the Unleashed KC Supes days...

thugit

09/19/2005, 12:11

Um, where's Batman?

If your Marquee doesn't have anyone pull R or V Superman, R and E Batmen will dominate.

How quickly people forget how good Batman's power set is in 'clix..... :ermm:

ThePancakeMan

09/19/2005, 12:12

Icons REV Batman can't compare to Legacy REV Batman.

Ignatz_Mouse

09/19/2005, 12:13

E batman is indeed formidable.

But V Supes will eat him alive. A well-attended marquee has a good chance of seeing one.

Darth Sabre

09/19/2005, 12:14

I voted for Superman also. The R can be devastating as well.

Batman shouldn't be counted out.

Darkseid and Wonder Woman could have a tremendous impact as well.

Darth Sabre

09/19/2005, 12:15

Icons REV Batman can't compare to Legacy REV Batman.

He doesn't have to compare, but figures change dramatically in a sealed event, where the figure poool is limited to what is pulled.

Manchine

09/19/2005, 12:25

IRON MAN!

Oh Wrong Marquee. Opps have to wait a few more months for that.

Manchine

09/19/2005, 12:26

Hey and what happened to us being able to see who voted where? The last 2 voting polls had it.

rock810

09/19/2005, 12:28

not sure manchine, could be a glitch in the system. I added batman a bit ago as well, sorry about that, completely forgot about him as this sets batman does not impress me (why does Batman only have a 6 click dial?)

sengirv

09/19/2005, 12:37

I voted Supes for the V. If a V isn't pulled, then my #2 would be V darkseid.

Teron_Gorfiend

09/19/2005, 13:10

I voted Superman. The R is a U Thor on crack and the Vet is just so.....not even supposed to exist! Why is he so much more powerful then the KC version?

Anywho, if no Supermen get pulled then I'd go with Blackfire. A minimum of 4 damage with an 9 attack and a 12 range, you got some serious backbone for under at least 50 pts with plenty of room for support.

All Hail the princesses!!!!

thugit

09/19/2005, 13:16

A.) I said IF no one pulled a R or V Superman, Batman would dominate. IF, IF, IF. Read the whole post, folks.

B.) The Legacy Batman has NOTHING to do with the Icons Marquee. Thank you for your astute yet useless observation.

I voted for Superman--but if Superman doesn't get pulled at your Marquee (in 2 cases from my store, there were ZERO V Supermen), Batman can thump anyone else in the set.

Ignatz_Mouse

09/19/2005, 13:58

A.) I said IF no one pulled a R or V Superman, Batman would dominate. IF, IF, IF. Read the whole post, folks.

I read the whole post. And I said, V Supes will be present at a decent-sized marquee, count on it.

thugit

09/19/2005, 14:12

I read the whole post. And I said, V Supes will be present at a decent-sized marquee, count on it.

In 2 cases, I saw 2 R Supermen and ZERO Veteran Supermen.

I wouldn't count on anything being pulled. You never know.

maxmac

09/19/2005, 14:22

When the post asked who I think will be dominant, I didn't think it wanted to know which piece was going to be used most. I thought it meant, "If I pull this piece, I will have a higher chance of victory than if I don't." Or, "This piece will be the dominant piece in marquee games."

If I am correct in these assumptions, then yes, I think Superman - especially a Vet with one support piece - will be the 'dominant' piece. Actually the #1 piece I hope for next Saturday at the marquee is R Superman.

As far as Batman goes, yeah, he's nice. Really nice if you pull some good BFC support - but that's what these drafts come down to. IF you pull the right items.

I say, pulling a Superman makes it easier to succeed because you don't need to support him with BFCs or other pieces. I don't like that it's true, but it is. You'll see. He's just too easy to use.

Superman is to Heroclix as the Colt .45 was to the Old West.

lunar

09/19/2005, 14:39

Someone won't pull a Superman V at every venue but his R is almost as good point for point. E is also a good peice and the only reason he wouldn't get played is because he is so overshadowed by V and R. In random pulls that's hardly a factor.

wyld

09/19/2005, 16:18

Bizarro! I love you! Bizarro! I love you! Bizarro! I love you!

Bizarro?

--bizarrowyld

phantom1592

09/19/2005, 16:40

Darksied!

With all the superman Love going around, I think people will be overlooking him and his 5 point Psychic Blast!

SITHSPAWN

09/19/2005, 17:15

Don't even have him yet. From what I've heard Supes will be someone to want to fear.

WhiteRabbit909

09/19/2005, 17:40

Had to give my vote to V Superman. His 13 speed w/HSS, 18 defense w/Imp, 12 attack w/SS, 5 base damage, and 10 range makes him a real beast. Hopefully, I can pull one or no one pulls him at all. I really want to win Tim Drake (or Princess Koriand'r if I win him in one of the other Marquees that I'm planning on going to).

tchipley

09/19/2005, 17:57

Robin will punk Batman like a one-legged man in an "S" kicking contest.

And speaking of "S" Superman will dominate.

In absense of Superman, tchipley will dominate.

Wolverine_Hulk

09/19/2005, 18:57

Superman.

Raven will be a major support figure though.

If somone pulls V Superman and R raven you might as well hand them the LE. (If they have average luck and decent skill)

The Mad Titan

09/19/2005, 19:12

I voted for Darkseid. I know Superman is tough especially the veteran,but I won't have no problem with the R and E versions. I know if I pull a v Darkseid and a e or v batman the veteran Superman will go down. I think the REV set of Darkseid is better for this 300 pt. total sealed tournament.

Manchine

09/19/2005, 19:22

I voted Darkseid myself. Darkside does command 2nd place.

Salakk

09/19/2005, 21:20

i had to go with superman all of hiks versions are just too good

VermillionSL

09/19/2005, 21:33

if the icons marquee is 400 like i heard, support shouldnt be a problem.

melinda17

09/20/2005, 04:51

I keep reading how hard the vet is to pull. In the past week I have seen 4 pulled not counting the two I pulled. Mabey they all ended up in my town=)

Captain_Comet

09/20/2005, 10:12

I alos voted for Superman because I've already seen what a booster draft with V. Supes pulled will be like. He and rookie Blackfire desimated every round, with only a team of Darksied/Aquaman/Exp. Batman on an indoor map slowing him down.

krusticlese

09/20/2005, 11:55

Well we practiced for the marquee using my case... and pulled 5 Vet Supermans:) so we got some practice with and against him. So here is my "professional" opinion.

There is nothing you can do to stop him in a sealed game. In our games he faced off against Vet Darkseid twice (pulled 6 V Darksieds), the raven/Blackfire/Joker combos, Wonder Woman... whatever. No figures in Icons can touch him if the person using Superman has any sort of skill at this game.

Some of the Superman teams were Supes and Exp Scarecrow and Supes, R Robin and Maggie Sawyer (best pog ever!).

...So after we did all these games in preperation to attempt to win a Starfire LE, Wizkids goes and makes her a Prize for a constructed event in November :ermm:. Needless to say, we won't be going to any Marquees now.

Now I get to save over $50 because I don't need to pay to try to win her!! :rolleyes:

Har!Bandit

09/20/2005, 12:05

We had an Icons booster draft Sunday, which I thought I was going to clean up on. I pulled V Superman, R Superman, 2(!) V Darkseids, and a smattering of support figures. Ended up going with V Superman, R Blackfire and Lian Harper for an even 300, and while I cleaned up in the first two games (losing Blackfire once and Lian Harper twice), I made some very poor choices in the last game and ended up getting taken out by the combo of E Joker with pogs, E Wonder Woman, and to a lesser extent R Starfire. Ended up taking third of four on points, with what was by far the best pull there. What an embarrassment! The Axis Chemicals map did me in, with no soaring and the little death-trap room in the middle where I took the Wonder Woman bait. She made her Impervious roll, I had no movement left, and after that it was just a matter of Joker sneaking in for Outwit and a single Charge from Wonder Woman that ended things.

Lofcutus

09/20/2005, 17:17

Icons REV Batman can't compare to Legacy REV Batman.

How likely are you to pull Legacy Batman in the Icons Marquee?

Marshal Law

09/20/2005, 18:11

He and rookie Blackfire decimated every round

Pretty much the horror story sealed pull at 300 points. Hypersonic for 5 and Running Shot for 4 = 9 potential damage on the hoof in a sealed event. Except against another Supes, I figure only Supes + Experienced Robin would be more difficult to deal with (Stealth meat shield for Supes clear turns). At 400, Raven looks decent for the Barrier, Prob Control, and possible Support. But then at 400 its not quite the "Veteran Superman beats all" lock 300 points is. Close, but not as clear cut.

THOMAS5

09/20/2005, 18:22

AWESOME!

5 People voted for REV Bizarro!

VermillionSL

09/20/2005, 18:41

AWESOME!

5 People voted for REV Bizarro!
i thin kthe five ppl that voted for Bizarro did it in a sort of Bizarro state of mind.

that is to say, they meant to do the opposite of vote for him. ;) :p

Shazam!!

09/20/2005, 20:12

What kind of person would vote equal times for bizarro as they did brainiac?? i mean seriously.

VermillionSL

09/20/2005, 20:15

actually, bizarro's beating him, now.

maybe they know something we dont? hmmm....

in 400 points, the rook could prolly be used to give lex some OW... but that's the only usefull thing i see about him.

god, the superman enemies will suck once all the other Nons with the TA go to retirement.

DroidMaster

09/20/2005, 20:50

I vote Flash....what am I the only one???

VermillionSL

09/20/2005, 21:17

there's 11 others.

the question was who would pwn at the marquee, though.

a fig that cant hurt 40% of the set on his own because of only having a base damaage of 2 probably isnt the best choice, although he is a good figure in general.

number6

09/20/2005, 21:40

Superman.

Raven will be a major support figure though.

If somone pulls V Superman and R raven you might as well hand them the LE. (If they have average luck and decent skill)

Well I agree with you and disagree. Yes, those 2 are nasty together, but not in a 300 pt game, as they total 305.
Played a sealed though, and out of 12 boosters (4 players), 4 rookie Ravens, 2 R. Supes, and 2 V. Supes. The judge had decided on a 400 pt format, so naturally those with Vet. Supermen also put R. Raven on the team (I put 2 on for double barrier). Very very effective being able to heal and/or reroll. One guy had slippery on Supes too, that way he could break more effectively and/if he got hurt/outwitted (which did happen in 1 match).
Suffice it to say, Vet. Supes vs. Vet Supes to the final, and hands down victory to the lucky roller. Both Supes had desks I might add, making them very hard to hit on the first strike.
They didn't seem hard to pull, and were definitely not hard to play.

VermillionSL

09/20/2005, 21:44

Well I agree with you and disagree. Yes, those 2 are nasty together, but not in a 300 pt game, as they total 305.
Played a sealed though, and out of 12 boosters (4 players), 4 rookie Ravens, 2 R. Supes, and 2 V. Supes. The judge had decided on a 400 pt format, so naturally those with Vet. Supermen also put R. Raven on the team (I put 2 on for double barrier). Very very effective being able to heal and/or reroll. One guy had slippery on Supes too, that way he could break more effectively and/if he got hurt/outwitted (which did happen in 1 match).
Suffice it to say, Vet. Supes vs. Vet Supes to the final, and hands down victory to the lucky roller. Both Supes had desks I might add, making them very hard to hit on the first strike.
They didn't seem hard to pull, and were definitely not hard to play.
the build total for the icons marquee is 400

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/gameresources.asp?cid=40271

forth paragraph down says that

Because DC HeroClix: Icons has so many high-point characters, we’re raising the build total for this Sealed event to 400 points! That way, more big bruisers can get in there and slug it out!

hulkamania85

09/20/2005, 21:52

I have a feeling Superman will dominate.

This marquee should be pretty interesting when it comes to trying to take down Supes.

WakandaMan

09/20/2005, 22:14

... I added batman a bit ago as well, sorry about that, completely forgot about him as this sets batman does not impress me (why does Batman only have a 6 click dial?)

The standard dial length for an unenhanced human is 6 clicks, so to me, the Batman in this set is the most accurate. I want to know how on earth Legacy Batman can be justified as having NINE clicks. He's not Superman you know. ;)

I guess it's like this:

Icons Batman= realisitic, regular Batman
Legacy Batman= Grant Morrison/fanboy-drool Batman.

:p :classic:

Oh, and I voted Wonder Woman. For the points, in the hands of a decent player, she really should dominate. Far too much damage at that point level. Vet Supes could stop her, but not if she has some Outwit support, and there's plenty of that in this set.

Shazam!

09/21/2005, 03:27

Last weekend I entered my local gaming stores heroclix event. It was a 300 pt event I had Wonder woman, vetern night crawler and an experienced Aquaman. I won that store event and on my way to victory I beat not only one but two exp supermans and Darkseid plus a Blackfire with my team. Wonder woman lead the charge by taking out all the power houses and the other two mopped up the rest. Now superman is good but do not disrespect the power of the wonder woman vetern figure.

Just my two cents.

Prof. Aragorn

09/21/2005, 07:15

V Superman should dominate if/when pulled.

When there's no TK, he has the highest reach (heck, even with TK on the other team he'd most likely have the highest reach still!).

darthnoir

09/21/2005, 08:29

the build total for the icons marquee is 400

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/gameresources.asp?cid=40271

forth paragraph down says that

Unless I'm mistaken, that article is referring to the November Icons sealed event and not September's Icon's Marquee.

Thawmus

09/21/2005, 10:19

necrostrider

09/21/2005, 12:45

I voted darkseid as well. seriously, people are having a hard time understanding the concept of Sealed Tourniment! honestly, a little outwit will pretty much crush superman, so long as you place it properly, or have support. and in the case of DS, he only gets More dangerous once you hurt him. and with his point total, he'll be able to feild some really nice support.

Marshal Law

09/21/2005, 14:27

Vet Superman has no chance in hell against Darkseid in a Marquee tournament. Sorry. You can't use Fortitude, therefore Supes is at the marcy of Darkseid's OW. Darkseid has more movement with phasing, too. So he can just phase 10 squares away from Superman, outwit his HSS, take a hit, and then blast Superman to hell and back.

How, exactly, is he blasting Superman "to hell and back"? You phase in, Outwit Hypersonic, and then "take a hit". Putting Veteran Darkseid on click #4, if you miss your Impervious (implied by the "take a hit" comment). You've now got Psychic Blast, but not Outwit. Your turn comes up - you've got a choice. Push to hit Supes, or risk having Supes push to hit (knocking you to click #7 - 9 attack and no Psychic Blast) & Hypersonic run away. Obviously your only choice is to push - putting you on click #5 and Supes on click #6 (his first RCE click). Except you've now got 2 action tokens, Supes has 1, and Supes next hit (which he will likely get in first) puts you on click #9. At this point, you can't trade blows and win. Now you could make that first Impervious roll, which would give you the game. But then again you could also miss your 7/8 or better retaliatory strike (odds are slightly more in favor of the miss).

At 181 points Darkseid leaves more room on the team to play around with, so you'll have more supporting figures. Problem is at 400 points (even at 300 points), Supes won't be alone either, and will likely be able to field just enough screen for Supes to take that "take a hit" shot and then put some meat shield in the way for the retaliation. After which, you've lost Outwit and with it any chance of playing the anti-Hypersonic game (who knows, you might have a second Outwitter - and they might even avoid being tagged themselves before they get to use it).

Darkseid lacks run & gun, and that is what will put him second best to Veteran Superman in most sealed matchups.

Shazam!!

09/21/2005, 17:03

The tourney will be all about the Superman's and the Darkseid's

But of course the winner will be Brainiac if he's pulled ;)

turdburglar47

09/21/2005, 17:27

If my pull luck holds, I will have nothing but E Beast Boys in all my boosters.

To further clarify this point, I am very tired of pulling E Beast Boy, due to the fact that I've pulled a great deal of E Beast Boys.

V Blackfire = close second.

Noman

09/22/2005, 14:46

Supes IS a monster, true, but the R and E versions are beatable... the V isn't, realy, in this format, but I think Darkseid in all his forms will dominate. It is by no means certain that someone will pull the Supes Vet, whereas several Darkseids should show up...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

olcottr

09/22/2005, 14:51

It's Raven, all the way!

wyld

09/22/2005, 21:56

Yes!

Bizarro got less votes than almost EVERYBODY!

He RULES!

--bizarro! bizarro! bizarro! (pancakes?) bizarro! bizarro!
wyld

Trader2699

09/22/2005, 22:47

Well of course Superman is going to dominate!

But I voted for Joker..... :devious:

His power set will actually be quite useful, especially the experienced.

lastcastle

09/23/2005, 09:38

flash's 19 defense and hss attack in a set full of figs with an 10 attack or lower should dominate the field. 300 points isn't enough for superman to truly dominate. raven is my second choice for her prob control, healing, and the only reliable defense against the high damage monsters in this set-barrier.

sol

09/23/2005, 10:51

In terms of voting i picked Superman, but specifically the veteran version. The others, while powerful can be tripped up. The vet version however basically has to crit miss his way to a loss in the hands of a savvy player. You simply won't ever be closer than 10 sqaures away when he attaxks you.

If no vet Superman is pulled, then E Batman is likely to be my pick, even with Rookie Superman around. The icons rules force flyers to attack only those they are based with. I'd just tie Superman up with low cost figs and pogs till Batman can whittle him down.

Honorable mention has to go to Blackfire, of any level. She's a ludicrously good deal. The rookie can be fielded with Vet Superman (299).

ludd_gang

09/23/2005, 16:49

I pikced Blackfire because she's common. After that it all belongs to Darkseid. R Raven and R Supes are definitely way good though too.

AbeSapien

09/23/2005, 20:58

Vet supes with crud support is gonna pale in comparison to Vet darseid with those extra 70pts of outwit.

if you pull 2 outwitters, then Vet supes CAN go down.

Vet darkseid is the actual team buildign problem piece. Supes only wins if he hits on every attack.

(duck soup)

09/23/2005, 22:34

Raven will most likely dominate, an awesome support piece that will fit on most teams, Blackfire following in a close second.

Big Trouble

09/24/2005, 10:11

Vet Darkseid was the power piece last nite. one player went 3-0 with him and won, the other player that pulled him went 2-1 losing to the winner in the finals. The guy with Vet Supes went 1-2, admittedly he rolled terrible against me.

I played Vet Starfire, Exp Starfire, R Batman and R Blackfire and went 2-1. My only loss was to the second Darkseid team. He also played a Raven and a Blackfire. When I did mangag to roll the 8 to hit Darkseid (after outwitting the defense) he would have me prob it, and of course I would miss the second time.

Remember to take out walls and Raven's barrier to shoot thru or even running shot thru the barrier (especially if you have swingline on Blackfire).

I try again tonite in my second marquee...

AbeSapien

09/24/2005, 10:15

Vet Darkseid was the power piece last nite. one player went 3-0 with him and won, the other player that pulled him went 2-1 losing to the winner in the finals. The guy with Vet Supes went 1-2, admittedly he rolled terrible against me.

And that's my point, if Supes misses even 1 attack, he's instantly at a disadvantage. Say you miss with supes, do you then push just to get in a single attack and then rest for a round after the push, or do you rest giving your opponent a chance to jump you?

Vet supes is a monster, but considering there's a fair amountof outwit in the set, along with a unique with barier and an R/E/V with barrier and some PC in the set, he will be at a distinct disadvantage.