Get "easy offended" by Comic Books

[CarlosMucha]

Lets play this:

tell the tittle of a comic book (Wonder Woman, Superman,etc) and tell why that comic book is a offense for "your values"

It;s fun!


Let me begin...:

Avengers: nude people, sex references
Cap America: republican ideas
JL Identity Crisis: #### scenes
New Avengers: Mmmm I can't tell you you will get offended... :rolleyes:

your turn!

[Aeturnus]

erm, Loki: "...and she [Ororo a.k.a. Storm] is in truth most pleasing to the eye, despite her dusky color."

...*Looks at azs's topic...looks at Carlos*

####, man, I'm gonna book it 'fore this thing gets all up in Phoenix fire, knamsayin'?

[CarlosMucha]

:confused:

what Azs topic?? :confused: :confused:

[TKMandroid]

What comics offend me the most: any over-priced, poorly written book with no-talent artwork. :tired:

For real, Carlos. :)

[DarkCrisis]

Let me begin...:

Avengers: nude people, sex references
Cap America: republican ideas
JL Identity Crisis: #### scenes
New Avengers: Mmmm I can't tell you you will get offended... :rolleyes:

your turn!

Avengers - What issue?!?! Man, how I could miss that!

Cap A - What? Have you been reading it since it was relaunched? Cause I ain't seeing it

JL IC - That whole thing sucked so yea I'll give you that.

New Avengers - Um? More Overexposed Spidy and Wolvie? I realy can't think of anything offensive.

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As for what books offend me? None. If I don't like I don't read it. The last series to really "offend" me was Miller's "Wanted". It was good up until the very very end

[CarlosMucha]

Mmm lets keep this on traking...

Constantine: bad "religions"
Batman: vigilantism
Teen Titans: bad actitud in tenagers :p
Wonder Woman: violence.


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[CarlosMucha]

Avengers - What issue?!?! Man, how I could miss that!

Cap A - What? Have you been reading it since it was relaunched? Cause I ain't seeing it

JL IC - That whole thing sucked so yea I'll give you that.

New Avengers - Um? More Overexposed Spidy and Wolvie? I realy can't think of anything offensive.

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As for what books offend me? None. If I don't like I don't read it. The last series to really "offend" me was Miller's "Wanted". It was good up until the very very end


the Avengers was when Pym use the pils for sex things with Wasp.

Pills, mmm

Avengers: drugs references :p

you see? is for fun, that don't really offend me is just trying to find a thing for be easy offended.

about the near Avengers is something near to... Mmm they mmm, well, Power Man without the "costume" look more like a Thug heroclix not like one of the more powerfull heroes of the World who deserve be in that team, and yes O get offended by Wolverine and Spider-Man in that team just because they are populars I iwll never see they as Avengers.

[Aeturnus]

I still think my Loki quote is pure gold...old-fashioned Claremont right ther'.

[darklogos]

X-men for a while offended me for a while after operation zero tolerence. When Wolverine has a politically correct speach to that force field doctor chick that just ruined that era for me. Wonder Woman pisses me off when she gets all anti-male. The Amazon propaganda is just hypocritical.

[CarlosMucha]

Wonder Woman: Leabianism, feminist, pro independent- kick- man- boot :angry:
:p

[darklogos]

I got another thing that pisses me about comics. There are hardly any good black characters. There are no d.c books focused around a minority character. (White woman don't count as a minority) Everytime i see a black focused book I get happy. Then #### hits the fan and a few monthes later its gone. I was really getting into district x then they cancel the freaking book. How many books have they canceled with Bishop as the lead.

I brought up the issue on the wizkids website that many of the golden and silver era of comics where racist and sexist. You can't have a black, asian, or hispanic character that is on par to white male heroes. YOu will never see a black villian or hero kick superman's ###. Aliens don't count as minorities either. It seems that know one see's anything wrong with D.C.'s most iconic figures all being white. I guess that is just me.

[darklogos]

I don't mind independent woman philosphy if folks lived up to it. Half the time it is a manipulation technique used by woman to form a means of control in the realationship. I have special offense toward the idea when a woman states she doesn't need a man. If a man said the same thing it is "boys club" sexist thinking.

[CarlosMucha]

I got another thing that pisses me about comics. There are hardly any good black characters. There are no d.c books focused around a minority character. (White woman don't count as a minority) Everytime i see a black focused book I get happy. Then #### hits the fan and a few monthes later its gone. I was really getting into district x then they cancel the freaking book. How many books have they canceled with Bishop as the lead.

I brought up the issue on the wizkids website that many of the golden and silver era of comics where racist and sexist. You can't have a black, asian, or hispanic character that is on par to white male heroes. YOu will never see a black villian or hero kick superman's ###. Aliens don't count as minorities either. It seems that know one see's anything wrong with D.C.'s most iconic figures all being white. I guess that is just me.


well, I'm a STRONG Silver Age fan :cheeky:



:rolleyes: :eek:

[CarlosMucha]

I don't mind independent woman philosphy if folks lived up to it. Half the time it is a manipulation technique used by woman to form a means of control in the realationship. I have special offense toward the idea when a woman states she doesn't need a man. If a man said the same thing it is "boys club" sexist thinking.

Womans have already to many rights in some countrys. The womans get money working, no woking or "having fun", the womans get money from the goverment, from they dads, and mons and boybriends/husbans or from a divorce (or more than one divorce) and from lovers.
The womans have explosions of love, anger, happiness, jelous, wishes, fobias, sadnes, "want buy things now" feelings, etc and all that toguether the womans called "think"

The men are more simple: sports (or clixs) and sex :p

[darklogos]

I dont' like the idea that a person that is not white is defined by there racial features before their character. Look it "Cage" he is an angry black man. He is just like a wild animal. Hey look its Black Lighting. We can't just call him Lightning because folks won't figure out he's black.

Then you have the endless ethnic origins that are there just to be there. The writters don't care about the cultural or accuarate portail but just put it there to show they are "sensitive".

Lets look back in the D.C.U. you have sevearl human GL's from earth. THree of them are white, and one of them is black. Doesn't that seem odd. Not only that each of the white GL's have distinct personalities that don't blend into the D.C.U. but stand out. But the black GL is just another hero in the background. Even in GL:Rebirth they never really gave serious time to John that didn't focus on him being Hal's wingman.

Closest thing that came to diversity in the D.C.U. that gave minorities groups power was the Elite. Even with that D.C. couldn't handle that with anytype of skill.

It may seem I'm D.C. bashing but Marvel has tried a bit more to balance out the racial powerscales eventhough they aren't doing that great. Books like the current Black Panther shows blacks in a postivie and diverse light. It doesn't make Black Panther a light weight just because he doesn't have cosmic scale powers. They made it clear that he kicked Capt. America ### when they first faught. Yes it was the predeccesor Black Panther but its a step in the right direction.

[CarlosMucha]

Fantastic Four: Dangerous use of fire.
Jesica Jones Jewel: Bad model to follow for girls of the new generation.
Green Lantern/Phoenix/ any comic with a character who back from the death: Inspire bad hopes to the readers, nobody is back from the death.

[CarlosMucha]

I dont' like the idea that a person that is not white is defined by there racial features before their character. Look it "Cage" he is an angry black man. He is just like a wild animal. Hey look its Black Lighting. We can't just call him Lightning because folks won't figure out he's black.

Then you have the endless ethnic origins that are there just to be there. The writters don't care about the cultural or accuarate portail but just put it there to show they are "sensitive".

Lets look back in the D.C.U. you have sevearl human GL's from earth. THree of them are white, and one of them is black. Doesn't that seem odd. Not only that each of the white GL's have distinct personalities that don't blend into the D.C.U. but stand out. But the black GL is just another hero in the background. Even in GL:Rebirth they never really gave serious time to John that didn't focus on him being Hal's wingman.

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ey~!! but Stewar is a really important Green Lantern, he is soo important what he is in the JLA cartton. If you don't know who is John Stewar in the JLA cartoon is easy to find, I tell you: he is the black guy with the green ring.

[darklogos]

Well duh John Stewart is in the JLA cartoon. I'm talking about the comics not the cartoon.

[darklogos]

I got another thing that just ticks me off now. I went through the marvel and d.c. figure gallaries and the highest attack AV a black hero has is 10. That is held by a select few clix. I'm not saying wizkids is racist but they reflect the power level of the heroes.

[darklogos]

ey~!! but Stewar is a really important Green Lantern, he is soo important what he is in the JLA cartton. If you don't know who is John Stewar in the JLA cartoon is easy to find, I tell you: he is the black guy with the green ring.

Importance has to deal with more then just apearance. It has to deal with the weight of your actions, the power level you are at, and the development of your character.

The JLA cartoon does a good job developing John but if you look over at the Comic book end he is just another cape so to speak. He is just another bubble making GL that follows Hal's orders again.

In the JLA cartoon John stood up to the big three at one time or another. He actively stated his disagreement with Hawkgirl. You know where his passions are at. At no point in time are you going to see John talking street, or struggling with some sort of black idenity because he likes white women and black women.

[CarlosMucha]

I got another thing that just ticks me off now. I went through the marvel and d.c. figure gallaries and the highest attack AV a black hero has is 10. That is held by a select few clix. I'm not saying wizkids is racist but they reflect the power level of the heroes.


LOL I can't notice things like this, of couse my friend this is not in porpose.

Racist things are things from the past but will always live in some way. But each day we wish to have a bether comunity and of course bether comics books, you remember the Malibu DC line right? that was a good idea, with no soo many good sales but they try.

I personaly don't care a lot of be presented in the Super Heroes or comics teams (I'm a latin guy from Argentina) I like the teams righ in the way what I "meet" the DC and Marvel teams in the late 70's.

I don't need and I don't like minoritys who represent myself (latins) in comics or media, when thigs like that happen, I mean when a minority is "forced" to be in a com book or a tv show for the editors, then things like "The Challenger of the Superfriends" happen (weak very bad represent minorities like El Rojo Dorado, Yellow Samurai and Black Vulcan) I don't need that.

Thigs must change slowly. :)

[CarlosMucha]

I mean "things", can't edit!

[darklogos]

The thing is forcing the issue instead of race and having it being part of the characters devolpment. If a white centered protagonist book fails no one says "I guess writting white characters just doesn't sale." I think the industry makes its protrayle of minorities based on the media. THe media is manufactured to begin with. So you have a bunch of white guys sitting around the table watching BET and MTV and thinking they have a grasp of black culture. I could say the same for any other minority.

[skywarp]

Importance has to deal with more then just apearance. It has to deal with the weight of your actions, the power level you are at, and the development of your character.

The JLA cartoon does a good job developing John but if you look over at the Comic book end he is just another cape so to speak. He is just another bubble making GL that follows Hal's orders again.

In the JLA cartoon John stood up to the big three at one time or another. He actively stated his disagreement with Hawkgirl. You know where his passions are at. At no point in time are you going to see John talking street, or struggling with some sort of black idenity because he likes white women and black women.
Read Green Lantern Mosaic. It deals totally with John Stewart trying to deal with being put in charge of a planet of aliens from a bunch of different planets. It deals with John's love of music and the arts, it has humans (black, white, hispanic) giving John #### because he protects the aliens before the humans, it deals with race, and it even has an issue where he kicks Hal's ###, and there's an issue where Kilowog calls John to Oa to deal with a problem that only John's special skills can deal with. It's a really good book, it shows John in a great light, and it gives him a great personality. The Kyle books from the 90's and the early 00's have a lot of John in them dealing with his problems and he's also a great friend to Kyle. So if you're going to use John Stewart as someone underused in the comics, don't just use the new issues where they're trying to deal with hal coming back from the dead and dealing with a huge hole in space, try reading some issues where John was a main character and you'll see that he was handled VERY well. I know, it's only one black hero, but it's a start.
I did notice that whenever they do a black hero, they're always sterotypes and I don't think that has to do with comics being racist, I think it just has to do with the fact that there aren't really a lot of black writers plus the fact that when comics started showing up there REALLY weren't a lot of black writers, and back then is when all of the iconic characters started.
I have nothing to add to the actual subject of this thread.

[lchestnut81]

I hate to say it, but i think that Jon Stewart got put into the JLA cartoon to fill some political correctness. I like him and like the character, but you guys are right, who else was gonna join, Black Lightning???!!!! I'm glad he was on there though, he made for some great stories and a great character.

I am offended at what Grant Morrison did to the X-Men a few years back, lets review: Made it look like Cyclops cheated on Jean Grey, Turned the school into a freakhouse of druggies and kids getting other kids pregnant, took liberties with the outfits of the female X-men (White Queen, as if her outfit wasn't skimpy enough), tried to make the Beast gay (I'm sure someone upstairs vetoed this), Killed Magneto...well, everyone has tried to do that I guess...but did it with introducing a character I like, and then turned Xorn into Magneto and had NO explanation on how he got away from the big freaking Sentinel that killed all the Genoshan people (also a bold move in itself), Introduced Cassandra Nova, the apparent dead sister of Charles Xavier that wasn't so dead, Killed Jean..........yeah, I read all the stories cause I am a loyal X-men fan, and I will admit, a few good things came out of it (Fantomex, the Stepford Cookoos, Xorn, and I did like the distruction of Genosha as a tragedy), but for the most part, I think his whole run stinks of rancid filth.

The X-Men were a little more family oriented until that, I am glad that mostly every X-Men writer makes no reference of the "Dark Ages" and that the X-men have become a bit more family oriented again. I work with troubled kids, and comic book super heroes should be better role models that some of the things that he had going on at the school.

Oh, and the X-Statix team just offended me too because they stunk...I'm glad someone killed them.

[Glen Quagmire]

I got another thing that pisses me about comics. There are hardly any good black characters. There are no d.c books focused around a minority character. (White woman don't count as a minority) Everytime i see a black focused book I get happy. Then #### hits the fan and a few monthes later its gone. I was really getting into district x then they cancel the freaking book. How many books have they canceled with Bishop as the lead.

Your thoughts on the new Firestorm?

[CarlosMucha]

Your thoughts on the new Firestorm?

well. what we can say/ he have a white guy inside...

[JGonspy]

Well, I was making a long entry, but when I tried to type in some ASCII code to write cliche properly with the accent, the page skipped around and I lost everything. So, I'll try to summarize.

The older characters are mostly white because of the era they come from, while that doesn't make it right, it'll be a long while before a new character or even one from 10 or 20 years ago, can reach those heights. I'd like to see it happen, but creators need to get rid of that old white superhero stereotype.

Personally, I like the new way Luke Cage is being used lately (from Alias up that is) and I'd like other old character based on minorities freed of their tired cliches and be allowed to actually become fully fleshed out characters.

[deadshot042]

All Star Batman- Cop Killing
Helboy- Occultism
Ultimates- Excessive Violence

I really hate these two words- Politically Correct

[darklogos]

Your thoughts on the new Firestorm?

I have little income right now. So I haven't visited the comic store in the last 2 monthes. I play clixs at a gamming shop that doesn't have comics. So I will take a look at the book.

[darklogos]

Faith was a good hispanic character that was really powerful. Unfourtantly they didn't flesh that out at all.

[CarlosMucha]

I really hate these two words- Politically Correct


shhh! don't say that!, is not politically Correct.

[deadshot042]

It's too late Carlos the PC police are laying siege to my house...and I was goign to go see King Kong tonite. Damn!

[Glen Quagmire]

well. what we can say/ he have a white guy inside...

Firestorm? Nope, no white guy inside at the moment.