What figure Will Dominate Collateral Damage Marquee's [Archive]

rock810

01/10/2006, 14:05

In past marquee's we always watched as one figure when pulled dominated sealed events. It started with Unleashed and Black Adam, going to Superman Veteran in Icons. While they were not the easiest pulls, when pulled correctly the DOMINATED game play. So, the question posed is out of the following figures who will Dominate Collateral Damage?

Green Lantern REV
Emerald Empress REV
Superman REV
Mary Marvel REV
Kalibak
Orion
Eclipso
OMAC REV
Azrael REV
Blue Devil REV

Darth Sabre

01/10/2006, 14:14

I think Superman is just cheap enough, that with the right support, he could dominate.

dexmark

01/10/2006, 14:18

I think there are no really powerful figs in this set to really dominate. The Vet Superman may dominate with the right support. It could also be that the Vet Superman will not have any healing support while the others does. It really depends on each and every support for the marquee. The front loaded HSS Vet Superman is really tough with a long enough dial.

Orion is also good. His Flurry clicks can make a difference. That energy shield deflection at the start of the dial might be good too especially if the highest AV is only 11 in CD and has an average of 9~10 at most.

batmurph

01/10/2006, 14:36

Did the Shadow Pact put you under a spell? Is Blue Devil really thought of as a threat?

princodark

01/10/2006, 15:04

To be perfectly honest, I think Azrael could possibly dominate. As the most common figure out of all the choices, he'll probably be pulled the most, and as such people will come up with the best and most creative ways to use him.

dexmark

01/10/2006, 15:12

Not from the list above, I think Shadow Lass would be really good as the best overall support with Dr. Midnight as the 2ndary support. Any fig with thos support should do just fine.

LeaLu

01/10/2006, 15:15

What, no Trickster? ;)

Thawmus

01/10/2006, 15:36

Superman.

Just a fantastic piece all the way around, and will be fun to play with and against, as opposed to his Icons counterpart.

CapAmerica24

01/10/2006, 15:43

I voted Superman, but I feel V Green Lantern with his effective range of 18 could dominate as well.

pimeister

01/10/2006, 15:44

I'm gonna have to go with emerald empress on this one. A relatively inexpensive big hitter w/ mobility who is also a wildcard, and there are a decent amount of TA's for her to copy, especially Batman. There aren't many who can see through stealth in this set. This set feels more like an Armor Wars prerelease than an icons marquee.

Wolverine_Hulk

01/10/2006, 15:45

Mary Marvel

Thawmus

01/10/2006, 15:54

There aren't many who can see through stealth in this set. This set feels more like an Armor Wars prerelease than an icons marquee.

For the record, it's just Superman Blue and Red who have an anti-stealth TA in this set. This is, of course, not counting Krypto or the Clark Kent LE.

IMO, Superman Blue could be huge. 4 damage, large range, anti-stealth TA, 18 defense with super senses, and pulse wave. He may not be able to nova blast in a sealed environment, but he'll keep people FAR away from him while he plinks them from range.

Buddyhoss

01/10/2006, 15:54

HSS with range always dominates. Superman for the win.

pimeister

01/10/2006, 16:15

Just remember, unlike the past incarnations, this HSS supes cant see through stealth, carry an object, or use PB. could be a liability at 168 pts.

HSS with range always dominates. Superman for the win.

I Am The Game

01/10/2006, 16:52

Superman is the obvious choice here, but I voted for Orion, just so he'd get on the board! Honestly, I think a lot of people are going to post horror stories about having to hit Orion's 17 + ES/D in hindering. The end-dial Invulnerability is going to cost a few more people some games, too.

On the other hand, marquees are always the same. Mobility is at a premium, and HSS with range is king. He can be dealt with at a constructed event, but at a sealed? You can win with just about any piece in your force, but the dominant piece is the one any idiot can play effectively, and Vet Superman is it. The Red and Blue Superman don't belong in this category, though. Good players are going to position these pieces to win, but bad players are just going to say they're useless without Running Shot on their first click, and that's why they lost.

- Azrael is a great piece, but not necessarily dominating.
- Mary Marvel is a nice piece for a wide variety of costs. Her experienced version fits together better than Shazam! did, and will be tough in Sealed.
- Emerald Empress is a piece built for the constucted environment.
- Eclipso is not a good piece, most people won't play her even if they do pull her.
- The guy who memorizes the OMAC dials is going to do well.
- Green Lantern benefits or is hindered most by the map... does anyone still play the four corners map? The Armor Wars map is bad news for Kyle.
- Kalibak needs a lot of help, this tournament will be dominated by range.

I agree with dexmark in singling out Dr. Mid-Nite as a game-breaker. I think he's going to make more appearances in the top pairings than any other figure. If the doctor was eligible for vote, he'd be my horse.

Thawmus

01/10/2006, 17:06

Just remember, unlike the past incarnations, this HSS supes cant see through stealth, carry an object, or use PB. could be a liability at 168 pts.

I disagree. True, no anti-stealth is a detriment, as is paying for PB when you can hardly ever use it. But for 168 points, you have a 10 range 10 movement HSS with 4 natural damage. That's ENORMOUS. Even against a stealth team. Remember, he's a flier, so no amount of stealth is going to really keep him from zipping by, punching you for 4, and then running around the corner/up a building. And the PB is really just a nice insurance policy. You don't dare send a damage reducing brick around the corner after him, because he'll blast them for 4 irreduceable damage and just dare them to do something about it.

He'll be huge, don't doubt it.

PresidntVictor

01/10/2006, 17:38

the Emerald Empress REV has the best chance across the REV spectrum. i'd least like to face V Superdude.

Heavy_P

01/10/2006, 18:39

I'm gonna go with Orion, I think he'll surprise people.

It could be someone no one has thought of yet though. My Armor wars marquee, I faced 2 Magneto teams. R Echo killed him the first game, V Spymaster killed him the second.

Thawmus

01/10/2006, 18:47

AbeSapien

01/10/2006, 19:41

I voted Superman, but I feel V Green Lantern with his effective range of 18 could dominate as well.

But of course it completely depends on how the CD map looks.

ohoni

01/10/2006, 19:47

Kyle's one of my favorite characters, and I totally intend to play him, but in a sealed environment he's just not THAT great, especially not the Vet. I voted Superman, although the Marys will be dangerous too. Yeah, this Superman is not the one that generally gives people hassles, but he has solid stats, HSS, and plenty of other useful options that will make him hard to kill, and easy to kill you. Also, he's free attack and less than 200 points, so you could fill out your team with cheapies if you're lucky and they could all swarm in a single turn.

Rokk_Krinn

01/10/2006, 20:25

AbeSapien

01/10/2006, 20:41

thundertoad

01/11/2006, 11:38

I think Red tornado was overlooked for this poll I think it could be a very relevant piece for the markee

Mattman

01/11/2006, 11:44

Thundertoad is right. Cheap TK is not to be overlooked. Anybody that cracks Red Tornado will use him. Dr. Mid-Nite will be used in the same fashion.

That said, I picked Kyle as my vote. Telekinesis and Perplex on the same figure is great.

BTW, Blackfire dominated my Icons marquee, but that's probably just because everybody except me got one! My brother even pulled one of each and fielded them all!!!! But then my Vet Darkseid made up for that, didn't he, Princess Koriand'r?

Thawmus

01/11/2006, 12:13

I think Red tornado was overlooked for this poll I think it could be a very relevant piece for the markee

To be honest, I was thinking about him too.

Clayface as well.

18 defenses are no laughing matter.

ludd_gang

01/11/2006, 13:37

I agree with dexmark in singling out Dr. Mid-Nite as a game-breaker. I think he's going to make more appearances in the top pairings than any other figure. If the doctor was eligible for vote, he'd be my horse.

He was who came to my mind. I was surprised he wasn't on the poll. :surprised

lchestnut81

01/11/2006, 16:18

Mary Marvel is a Brute! If you pull the Vet, I think that you will almost be sure to win if you know what your doing.

Green Lantern is a beast as well, and will do his own share of dominating.

The Supes REV.....I think the Vet might do well, but not as well as Mary Marvel.

I can't wait!!

Glen Quagmire

01/12/2006, 01:44

IMO, Superman Blue could be huge. 4 damage, large range, anti-stealth TA, 18 defense with super senses, and pulse wave. He may not be able to nova blast in a sealed environment, but he'll keep people FAR away from him while he plinks them from range.

That's why Superman got my vote. He doesn't start with a move/attack power, but Phasing is going to be pretty handy on this map. And he's the cheapest source (well, one out of two sources) for anti-stealth in the set for its 15 dozen wildcards. :p I think some folks will wind up pulling more Wildcards than figures with useable TAs (no copying the Outsiders or CSA).

lowguppy

01/12/2006, 15:12

Don't underestimate Emerald Empress in sealed. High damage running shot is always good, plus Invul, also you can still pull of single target pulsewaves pretty effectively with her RS, which is an answer to any problem you have.

Consideration also has to go to any piece with PC or TK.

Top10

01/13/2006, 22:32

Actually I figure the most "dominating" figure for CD Marquees is going to be - in all seriousness - Dr. Mid-Nite. I don't think anyone who pulls him is going to pass on using him and you will see his power regularly swing games.

Unfortunately, he's not up there. So I guess I'll pass on voting for the time being. :knockedou

I would have liked to see the poll say
"What figure in the CD marquee are you most likely to play"

1. Dr. Mid-Nite: the best support in the game

2. Hive Trooper Vet: a stealthed flyer for only 25 points and a decent attack. A no brainer to fit this guy on your team

3. Red Tornado Vet: TK with willpower and an 18 defense. Mini Hal Jordan will no doubt be in my prayers to pull

4. Speedy Exp - 35points. put her on hindering and wait for prey

5. Superman Vet - I'm not a big fan of adding 168points but his movement and pb will make it hard not to use him

6. Ambush bug - he will throw your opponent off. whose not going to focus on the bug reading a newspaper.

Smaug317

01/15/2006, 14:41

Mary Mavel. OMAC comes close.(IMO)

plkangus

01/15/2006, 22:20

I voted vor GL, but Dr. Mid-Nite is the one I hope to pull for my team. R Supes is also good, as is V Red Tornado for the points. I also like all of the cheap mystics in this set, to lessen the pain from the bruisers.

SITHSPAWN

01/16/2006, 02:11

I voted Green Lantern because of the Team Ability and it probably has a heck of an range with running shot. Also, the Superman in this set is the energy based version and should have totally different powers then the previous ones.

Triskit

01/17/2006, 02:48

I would rather have the Exp or Vet Geo Force on my team than:

Superman R
Kalibak
Eclipso
Blue Devil REV

Those Figs are going to need the right Support to do good at all.

Any smart Player will want to start his Team builds with a REV Red Tornado.

And also want Exp or Vet Dr Midnite.

Give me 1 of those 2 Figures,
and I can make almost any 3-Booster Team a winner.

Triskit

01/17/2006, 02:50

I'll also be the first to say that I want V Monsiuer Mallah
(with my REV Red Tornado)
to kick some arses.

Triskit

01/17/2006, 02:51

So, the question posed is out of the following figures who will Dominate Collateral Damage?

Kalibak

Eclipso

How could these 2 even make the wanted List?

AbeSapien

01/17/2006, 11:32

How could these 2 even make the wanted List?

Well in a marquee setting where you can't choose what you pull, a stealthed, psychic blasting, mystic, with a long dial full of damage reducers and end dial regen is really really good.

Thawmus

01/17/2006, 12:16

Well in a marquee setting where you can't choose what you pull, a stealthed, psychic blasting, mystic, with a long dial full of damage reducers and end dial regen is really really good.

I agree. Eclipso doesn't get any respect on here, but I think she's more than good. Nobody wants to deal with that kind of damage dealing potential on a stealthed figure with Mystics, much less one that can regenerate.

z06need4speed

01/17/2006, 19:01

Yeah, eclipso, with a couple more wild cards to share the mystics ability and with some stealth will be very good team (a superman and marvel killer). I would pick eclipso over Marvel almost guarenteed. Marvel is too many points for 300 point play, she goes against a stealth outwitter and rushed and she will die, especially if someone plays her like she is unbeatable. Vet supes is really nice because of that mid 100 points he is at and with some good pulls like midnight and the bug, that would be a great team. Orion is great though too, with that long dial filled with invuln and toughness and an attack that really never sucks, he really never becomes useless but you would have to get the proper support to help him out. And the OMAC exp is really good too, it would be hard not to choose him if I pulled him. I don't think there is a clear winner here as it should be because every team can face its weakness, its the combo of figs that people will dominate. I have fought vet supes and sentry in the last two marquess and won both without any big figures, outwit and stealth are very powerful tools and can lead a team to victory.

ReZourceman

01/18/2006, 08:52

I must say, I odnt see the big deal with Mary Marvel?

xXHushXx

02/02/2006, 01:10

GL V. 18 defense, 12 range , plus Running Shot?

He gets my vote.

Spike501

02/20/2006, 11:39

I don't understand why so many people are talking about the Vet Green Lantern? Yeah, he's got 12 range and 12 movement with RS, but we've got batman team abilities and a ton of wildcard not to mention the people the have stealth naturally. If I pulled the full rev of GL the one that I'd play would be the Exp. 17 plus ES/D =19 at range. with the lowered attack values in this set, that'll be huge. Plus the perplex can up his range to 11 to stay out of range of Prob Control and Outwit. If you don't have to go up against those, then it can get you an 11 attack or 4 damage, depending on what the cercumstances require. Having said that, my pick would be for a combo of OMAC and the EXP Doc Mid-nite. Share the 18 defense with JSA TA or bring somone elses defense down to yours to be able to heal them easier since support ignores modifiers but not replacements, willpower is always huge with a medic and stealth to boot. EXP OMAC, stealth and Outwit. Don't have to worry about turning off a power and then have them turn off your outwit so they get it right back. To conclude, if you pull an exp OMAC, exp Doc Mid-nite, exp Green Lantern, and Ambush bug you'll be at 297 points and pretty hard to beat. Just my 2 cents. :)

AbeSapien

02/20/2006, 11:59

I must say, I odnt see the big deal with Mary Marvel?

In this set, sealed. She'll be a beast with the HSS 4 damage.

Spike501

02/20/2006, 12:16

In this set, sealed. She'll be a beast with the HSS 4 damage.

Right up untill the point where Exp Omac get's TK'ed up, outwits her Imperv and smacks her for 3 getting her past her HSS. Then she'd need to push to charge and try to hit a 9, or clear and let him smack her again. At this point roll a 9 or better to be able to hit him back. Heck even without a TK piece I'd take a lonesome EXP OMAC up against the Vet Mary Marvel.

Spike501

02/20/2006, 12:19

ok, excuse the stupidity, went back and changed the wording a couple times and left half a sentance in there. :) Should have said: At this point, even if she hits him she'll need a 9 or better to hit him again and if she misses it just gets worse for her.

AbeSapien

02/20/2006, 13:01

Right up untill the point where Exp Omac get's TK'ed up, outwits her Imperv and smacks her for 3 getting her past her HSS. Then she'd need to push to charge and try to hit a 9, or clear and let him smack her again. At this point roll a 9 or better to be able to hit him back. Heck even without a TK piece I'd take a lonesome EXP OMAC up against the Vet Mary Marvel.

Well, based on the dozens of bricks that people have been reporting on, the OMACs are straight up the hardest R/E/V figures to pull. So yes if someone pulls one of the hardest R/E/Vs to pull and also pulls the ONE tker in the set, then Mary Marvel might have some problems.