Actually playing Battlefield conditions

[Spiderhulk]

I just recently came back to heroclix after a year off and tried to play a BFC and my opponent played ordinary day.Apparently BFCs aren't much liked at my venue.What steps can I take and what limits are there to how many BFCs can be played and countered?

[Morand]

The number of BFCs that can be played is equal to the number of rounds minus 1.

In a 3 round game, you could play 2 and 1 placeholder. You can't play the same BFC twice, so if someone plays Ordinary day, they will be unable to play it again.

As for what you can do, if everyone at your venue plays OD... not much. Only getting the judge to ban it from the venue. Your best bet is to talk to the other players and sell them on BFC's.

Hope this helps!

[Spiderhulk]

Thanks.What does placeholder mean?

[XO-Man-O-War]

A placeholder is any card that is not a BFC. Some people use feat cards, I use the cards that pogs come in, after I pop the pogs out.
I also like to put my bfc's in card protectors so no one can see the backs and recognise what they are before I reveal them.

[Jitters]

The venues I play at use random battlefields each round. All the BFCs are shuffled (in protectors, so you can't see the backs) and then someone draws one that effects all the fields that round.
Before this started, almost every fight was an "ordinary day" played by one side or the other. The complaint was that it was too easy to compleatly shut down a team with nothing but a BFC (like disbanded). But with a random BFC you can't count on anything, either for or against a particular team, happening. So you may have disbanded pulled on the team that's wild carded to the gills or you may get radiation leak in the same instance. It allws for the spice of BFCs without the (reliable) wrecking ball factor.

[Spiderhulk]

so a place holder is basically a psyche out?You flip your cards at the same time and my opponent flips his ordinary day on my empty pog card?

[normalview]

so a place holder is basically a psyche out?You flip your cards at the same time and my opponent flips his ordinary day on my empty pog card?


Yeah, pretty much.

[XO-Man-O-War]

The venues I play at use random battlefields each round. All the BFCs are shuffled (in protectors, so you can't see the backs) and then someone draws one that effects all the fields that round.
Before this started, almost every fight was an "ordinary day" played by one side or the other. The complaint was that it was too easy to compleatly shut down a team with nothing but a BFC (like disbanded). But with a random BFC you can't count on anything, either for or against a particular team, happening. So you may have disbanded pulled on the team that's wild carded to the gills or you may get radiation leak in the same instance. It allws for the spice of BFCs without the (reliable) wrecking ball factor.
I played at a venue that did that. That kind of house rule is fine as long as they follow the rules for using house rules. The house rules must be posted at the venue at least 1 week in advance of the event and they must be included in the event description on the WK website. This is so new players don't show up and are suprised by the house rules.
The venue I went to that didn't do that so their house rules were illegal. That is one of the reasons I don't play there anymore.

BFC's are part of my build and besides, you can only play ordinary day once. You must play 1 BFC less than the number of rounds and you cannot play the same BFC twice in one tournament. Also your opponent cannot prevent you from playing BFC's if you bring them.

[PsychoHippie]

So..I could start by playing a BFC that I don't really want to use, get it OD'd and then play the one I wanted to begin with?

[XO-Man-O-War]

2.2 Battlefield Condition Cards
Battlefield Condition cards are tournament legal in WizKids-Sanctioned events.Battlefield Condition cards are optional for each player. An opposing player cannot stop a player from using Battlefield Condition cards. Each player may bring a number of Battlefield Condition cards equal to the number of rounds in the tournament minus one. None of these Battlefield Condition cards may be a duplicate. These Battlefield Condition cards make up a player’s “hand.” Other cards, such as Feats, must be added to the hand as placeholders so that the number of cards in your hand equals the number of rounds in the tournament. These extra cards may not be put into play for any reason – they serve as placeholder, “dummy” cards only.
After the battlefield is prepared (see page 11 of the DC HeroClix: Icons rulebook),each player chooses a card from his or her hand to use for the duration of the game.
Both players reveal their cards at the same time. If a player does not wish to play a Battlefield Condition card during a round they may substitute their placeholder card instead when Battlefield Condition cards are revealed. A player who uses a placeholder card in this manner does not return it to their hand; they no longer have the option of using it in place of a Battlefield Condition card.
At the end of the round in which a Battlefield Condition card has been put into play,that Battlefield Condition card is removed from the Tournament, and cannot be used in successive rounds. After Battlefield Conditions are put in play, each player will note on their opponent’s team registration sheet which Battlefield Condition the opponent put in play that round. Future opponents may see the Battlefield Condition(s) which have already been played, but may not see those Battlefield Condition(s) that have not yet been played.
So if your BFC gets ordinary dayed, there will be no BFC's in play for that round. It is possible that all your opponents will play ordinary day against you, but it is unlikely.

[XO-Man-O-War]

So..I could start by playing a BFC that I don't really want to use, get it OD'd and then play the one I wanted to begin with?
So no, if you mean can you play more than 1 BFC in the same round.
Also you have no idea what BFC your opponent will play. So for a 3 round tournament choose 2 BFC's you want and 1 placeholder and hope for the best.

[T'Chaka]

The house rules must be posted at the venue at least 1 week in advance of the event and they must be included in the event description on the WK website. This is so new players don't show up and are suprised by the house rules.

Aww, look. A newb rule cop. They're so tiny and helpless when they first peck their way out the shell. ;)

Easy, action. I'm the Judge at two of the aforementioned venues, XO-Man-O-War, and the house rules are clearly posted, as they always have been.

The internet cracks me up! :p

[XO-Man-O-War]

Aww, look. A newb rule cop. They're so tiny and helpless when they first peck their way out the shell. ;)

Easy, action. I'm the Judge at two of the aforementioned venues, XO-Man-O-War, and the house rules are clearly posted, as they always have been.

The internet cracks me up! :p
Bully for you. Grats on following the rules.
In case I didn't say it in this thread I have no problem with house rules as long as they are done according to the WizKids rules. The problem I had was going to a venue for the first time and discovering, after the tournament had started and partway through my game, that they had several crazy (and I mean that in the craziest sense of the word) house rules that were not mentioned or posted anywhere.
This happened at 2 venues and one of the events was the marquee, where you can't have house rules but they did anyway. The judge was blissfully unaware of the actual rules of the game and apparently made his own up as he felt like it.

When I go to a WizKids supported event, whether it is at a venue I regularily go to or one I have never been to before, I expect the play experience to be the same, at least as far as the rules go. That's why they have approved rules of play. If the judge can just house rule anytrhing he wants then it becomes a different game, one I might not want to play. And when they have house rules set up to give their friends the advantage so they will probably always win, then I have a problem.

Aside from that, house rules don't bother me as long as they are in the event description so I can build my team accordingly.

And I'm not a newb. I've graduated to Rules Lawyer in training. :grin:

[T'Chaka]

In case I didn't say it in this thread I have no problem with house rules as long as they are done according to the WizKids rules.

Uh... you did, about 5 posts up. :laugh:

That's why I quoted and replied, remember?

[long, low whistle] :cheeky: