HCR Rates The Movies #59: SUPERMAN RETURNS [Archive]

DTM

07/08/2006, 06:07

So, our next film, Classic or Crud, Hit or Miss, what say you ALL?

Our next film open for discussion, and ultimately an Overall RATING by you all:

SUPERMAN RETURNS
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Let the discussions flow. Likes, dislikes, classic film or overhyped trash, and DONT FORGET to place an Overall Rating when youre done.

Its easy, just give a Rating from 1 (Jaws 4:The Revenge) to 10 (Jaws), and thats it. Course I'd love to have you all give reasons as to why you feel it deserves this Overall Rating, and more than encourage discussions with us all about them.

So, what say you all?

Next Film: ??????

DTM

07/08/2006, 06:12

WOW, the titles to these threads sure did shrink. :mad:

So, where would we all rate this film, same as always, 1 to 10, where does Superman Returns fit?

The original Superman: The Movie is currently as 8.87, with 15 members rating, and as always, with all of these threads, it is still OPEN for voting. :)

DTM

07/08/2006, 06:34

OK, Ill guess Ill start this one off (less someone quickly jumps in front of me here, which is possible as my current PC is SLOW) :)

Personally, I truly enjoyed and got a real kick out of Superman Returns. What a throwback to the original series with the classic Christopher Reeve to me these were. Not just with John Williams score popping up here and there, but with little nods to the originals with certain lines, the opening credit sequence, The Fortress of Solitude (and Lex knowing about it), and so many other things that make this film fit perfectly in with Supermans 1 and 2 to me.

No, Routh was not the Superman that Reeve was, but hey, NO ONE will be that kind of Superman, as I feel Reeve was The Best interpretation of a comic book character in the history of film. Routh did a very good job to me portraying the Man of Steel, as did everyone else in this film, to me. Keep in mind I dont go to films like Superman or Star Wars for DeNiro level acting, I come for the FUN, and this film definately delivered.

It did have its slow moments, had the ocassional hole, could have been a bit shorter, and not sure about the Superman following Lois home and spying on her from outside thing, but all in all I had a great time with this film, and will rate it accordingly.

Superman Returns - 9 / 10 (Cant wait for Superman Returns 2)

Not as good as Superman: The Movie to me, but a heck of alot more enjoyable than X3 was. (and for the record, I didnt Hate X3, I was just really disappointed at what we got)

PS: As for how Superman could lift an island with Kryptonite thru its veins? Well, to me he burnt and tunneled his way beneath it, and for most of the trip up he had non Kryptonite encased, normal rock to protect him. It was only towards the end, when such bottom rock kept collapsing under its own weight, did the Kryptonite begin to show. Though at that time, Superman was nearly at his goal, and with God-like physical strength, stamina and willpower, he managed to fulfill his mission, and it almost killed him.

xXHushXx

07/08/2006, 06:43

A very good film. It lacked combat and action of that nature, but an excelllent way to re-kick off the Superman franchise. Excellent introduction of characters, and a decent plot. Good actors in the roles, and they performed well.

The movie entertained me, bottom line. That's what I went there for, and it did its job with competence.

Superman Returns: 8.7/10

tidge

07/08/2006, 10:38

Positives: special effects (outstanding)

Neutrals: acting was sufficient

Negatives:

paper-thin retread of 1978 movie in terms of plot, characterization, dialogue, mis-en-scene, etc.

Narrative was non-existant.

The Superman character was far too creepy: stalking, entering a child's bedroom, taking other character's emotions for granted (Ma, Lois, etc.)

All other characters barely seem to have motivations...which is not a flaw in the Catwoman movie btw.

It earns a 6.0/10.0 for nostalgia and image.

St-Dumas

07/08/2006, 18:13

I thought it was very well put together and was more for general audiences then it was for geeks. Being a geek, however, I just wanted more. Plus the ending was so painfully Hollywood. Still a good movie though.

8/10

Darth Sabre

07/09/2006, 01:22

I think this movie was very well done. It's objective was to re-introduce Superman to a new generation. Though the plot was essentially the same as the original, the liberties that were taken push it above the first. It sets things up for the two propsed sequels. All the actors played their parts well, and the graphics were phenominal.

8/10

Prof. Aragorn

07/09/2006, 01:46

Superman Returns was a good movie. I was entertained. It is also nice to have Superman return to the big screen.

However:

Okay acting - I thought it was okay, but the characterizations were a little off.

Plot - mostly rehashed, still good, but nothing too cool.

Action - lots of "special" effects, good flying sequences, and amazing use of all his powers. Not much fighting this is my gripe. The whole point of a Superhero movie is to establish that the Superhero kicks ###. Batman, Spider-man, Daredevil (not movie release), etc. Superman didn't have to throw down against Lex, he just had to punch something - anything that would show why you don't piss him off. However, this would call to change the plot slightly.

However, why all of this is good or above average for most films, it is not amazing like Batman Begins or Spider-man 1 and 2 (and to be fair the first Superman movie put me to sleep and Reeve's "acting" (save for Clark bumblings which anyone can do) was pretty bad . . . though I can't speak for the second haven't seen it). Therefore it is slightly above average, but it is not a great movie as it is merely disguised as a chick flick. And by definition chick flicks suck.

Rating: 7.8 out of 10 (slightly better than X-men 3 which is what I suspected).

DTM

07/09/2006, 05:26

Not much fighting this is my gripe. The whole point of a Superhero movie is to establish that the Superhero kicks ###. Batman, Spider-man, Daredevil (not movie release), etc. Superman didn't have to throw down against Lex, he just had to punch something - anything that would show why you don't piss him off. However, this would call to change the plot slightly.

The whole point of a superhero film is to show that such characters can kick butt? Im sorry, but considering my favorite movie of this genre of all time (Superman: The Movie) didnt have the superhero throw a single punch, Im going to have to disagree with you there.

And Superman in this film didnt do anything to prove you shouldnt piss him off? How about lifting an entire island the villain created, with him currently on it, and throwing it into outer space. Im pretty sure Lex got the point to not piss Superman off from that scene, punches thrown or no. :)

Superman Returns a chick flick? Again, I couldnt disagree with you more.

Rando

07/09/2006, 08:37

Man this new hcrealms is weird.

Anyway I think I'm gonna give this movie a 7 out of 10. I want to give it a higher rateing because watching it is such an amazeing ride. There are few flaws that I can't forgive though: the first was that they set the movie in continuity with the first 2 movies but didn't let the viewer know that beforehand, I'd seen them so it didn't bother me but if I hadn't then I can see a lot of space for confusion. My second gripe was that I too found this Superman to be a little creepy at times, useing his x-ray vision to spy on Lois, takeing her for a ride off of the daily planet, showeing up in her son's room, sorry but that just made my skin crawl. My final gripe was with the costume, I didn't like it and didn't think changeing it served any purpose.

Despite these flaws the movie itself was amazeing to watch, the use of music was done phenomenally. The acting was excellent all around, I found Roth to be a little less enjoyable and Reeves but I thought that Spacey was better than Hackman. The special effects were stupendous, I couldn't believe it when Superman picked up the island, it made me want for a sequal (and wish that the villian in this one had been a real super-being). The story was reasonably solid and fairly enjoyable, it was excellent pretty much all the times that Superman was Supermaning or Luthor was Luthoring, but whenever the Lois, Richard, Clark love triangle thing showed up it got awkward. I was really suprised that Richard didn't die in the movie, I really thought that he was going to, but that may have just been because I wanted him to. As a side note did anyone else find Roth to look kind of dark? There was something about him where he looked kind of pale or veiny or something that I found a little distracting at times.

tidge

07/09/2006, 15:14

Prof. Aragorn

07/09/2006, 15:31

The whole point of a superhero film is to show that such characters can kick butt? Im sorry, but considering my favorite movie of this genre of all time (Superman: The Movie) didnt have the superhero throw a single punch, Im going to have to disagree with you there.

I'm sorry, but I didn't even like Superman: The Movie. It might be an okay movie in regards to establishing a super hero, but seriously, I fell asleep out of boredom while watching this film. A little violence on Superman's behalf would not have hurt the movie.

And Superman in this film didnt do anything to prove you shouldnt piss him off? How about lifting an entire island the villain created, with him currently on it, and throwing it into outer space. Im pretty sure Lex got the point to not piss Superman off from that scene, punches thrown or no. :)

No, I don't think Lex is afraid of Superman, otherwise he wouldn't have rehashed the same plot. Of course, he just might be a little crazy, but he isn't afraid of Superman.

Besides, Superman lifted the island to get it off of the planet, he wasn't sending Lex a message.

Superman Returns a chick flick? Again, I couldnt disagree with you more.

Lois loved Superman. They were a match made in heaven. Superman was a great man for her, but he left her to find out about his past. However, he didn't say anything to her. This left her broken. She sought solace in Richard White, and the two apparently produced a child. She moved on, even to the point of writing an article finally getting off her chest that the world didn't need Superman and Superman didn't need the world.

Then Superman comes back the same as he always was.

The whole point of the story is Superman comes back and the majority of the plot is Superman and Lois. Lois is moved on to someone more human, but just as heroic. Should she be with Richard or Superman?

Plot of Superman Returns = Chick Flick.

Chick Flicks = ####tiest of movies.

Superman Returns saving grace - action movie/having some semblance of action (and acting oh thank God for Kevin Spacey . . .) therefore instead of losing 10 points, it loses 3 (since action movies/movies with okay to good acting trounce chick flicks . . .)

DTM

07/09/2006, 15:45

There is a terrible mistake that Superhero movies can make: have the superhero not actually appear, or show up so rarely that the viewer is wondering what his ticket bought him. Problem films in this area: Hulk, Burton Batman (although Joker certainly covered this flaw in film 1), Spiderman 2 even comes dangerously close to dullness in this regard.

I suspect the "Superman kick butt" complaint is more directed to the fact that a good fraction of the time we see the cape...Superman is pretty pathetic...I mean, lying in a hospital bed for days?

Well, maybe days in the movie, it was only a few minutes of screen time. And keep in mind Superman had just lifted an entire island, littered with Kryptonite, at the films finale (something that showed us his unreal strength and willpower) So he gave 200% of what he was, and then the task was completeled, he had no more left, and fell into his coma. (that didnt bother me in the slightest, very little did with this film really)

Also, the only stalker part that creeped me out was him using his super senses to spy on Lois and her family are her home. The coming into his sons room at the end didnt do so at all, as he knew at that time it was his son (would have been creepy if he did that BEFORE he knew), and what father doesnt periodically check in on his son when hes sleeping? He was speaking the words to his son that his own father said to him. Personally, I liked it.

DTM

07/09/2006, 15:51

I'm sorry, but I didn't even like Superman: The Movie. It might be an okay movie in regards to establishing a super hero, but seriously, I fell asleep out of boredom while watching this film. A little violence on Superman's behalf would not have hurt the movie.

No, I don't think Lex is afraid of Superman, otherwise he wouldn't have rehashed the same plot. Of course, he just might be a little crazy, but he isn't afraid of Superman.

Besides, Superman lifted the island to get it off of the planet, he wasn't sending Lex a message.

Lois loved Superman. They were a match made in heaven. Superman was a great man for her, but he left her to find out about his past. However, he didn't say anything to her. This left her broken. She sought solace in Richard White, and the two apparently produced a child. She moved on, even to the point of writing an article finally getting off her chest that the world didn't need Superman and Superman didn't need the world.

Then Superman comes back the same as he always was.

The whole point of the story is Superman comes back and the majority of the plot is Superman and Lois. Lois is moved on to someone more human, but just as heroic. Should she be with Richard or Superman?

Plot of Superman Returns = Chick Flick.

Chick Flicks = ####tiest of movies.

Superman Returns saving grace - action movie/having some semblance of action (and acting oh thank God for Kevin Spacey . . .) therefore instead of losing 10 points, it loses 3 (since action movies/movies with okay to good acting trounce chick flicks . . .)

Well thats it right there, you thought Superman The Movie was boring, I thought it was the best superhero film ever made. Its no wonder we dont see eye to eye on this one really. :)

Prof. Aragorn

07/09/2006, 19:53

Well thats it right there, you thought Superman The Movie was boring, I thought it was the best superhero film ever made. Its no wonder we dont see eye to eye on this one really. :)

It's not like I didn't like Superman Returns, it was just lacking for a superhero movie - much less a Superman movie.

DTM

07/10/2006, 02:11

CURRENT HCR MEMBER RATING:

SUPERMAN RETURNS - 7.79 / 10

(7 members rating)

sniksder

07/10/2006, 13:34

[B]Superman Returns a chick flick? Again, I couldnt disagree with you more.

Liked the movie, and yes to me was a chick flick, did you really look at Routh, not a "Superman" Physique there...:ermm:

8 out 10

Rokk_Krinn

07/11/2006, 13:25

I admit, reading through this thread I'm left wondering if this is how parents feel the first time one of their children profess doubt at the existence of certain individuals...like there's a loss of joy and innocence. So much "hate" (perhaps a strong word..."dislike" better?) towards aspects of the movie instead of the overall whole and the "whole" to me was one of those rare movies that had me leaving the theater just feeling great.

Maybe I just wasn't as "creeped" out as some people at certain scenes (I don't really think Superman was intending on being 'stalkerish' - part of me feels like he was just heading over there to talk to Lois and when he got closer realized he'd better scope things out first...remember, for all of his power and wisdom, he's still a "guy" and there's enough Clark in him that he's not perfect). Maybe I was more excited by the fact that Superman showed how awesome he was _without_ throwing a punch - showing that just because you can beat someone into the ground, you don't have to do it. Or maybe there's just enough of a kid in me that I again felt a man could fly and, yes, I admit when the full "Superman theme song" kicked in after he saved that plane (c'mon admit it - you kept wondering "Where is it?" when he was first changing into Superman and taking off to save the day) I wanted to stand up and cheer.

Vote: 10 (and if I could give it higher, I would - I honestly loved this movie)

MrCardMaster

07/12/2006, 18:07

6/10, I was dissapointed.

DTM

07/13/2006, 01:55

6/10, I was dissapointed.

Would you care to tell us why you were so disappointed in this film?

Darth Sabre

07/13/2006, 02:29

Would you care to tell us why you were so disappointed in this film?

Here you go:

Superman Returns: Worst Super Hero Movie Ever? (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169276)

How anyone can say that with Elektra, Catwoman, Hulk, Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD, Daredevil, the first attempt at the Fantastic Four, and the Dolph Lundgren Punisher movie, is beyond me.

I liked Hulk, but it really wasn't a good movie.

DTM

07/13/2006, 02:38

Ah, Mr. CM actually started THAT thread huh? Geeze, that being the case, Im grateful he didnt give this one less than a 6 :) (as I personally thought this was fantastic)

Mayberry Bat

07/13/2006, 17:54

I don't remember ever posting in one of these, so here goes.

The effects were great. I even think the acting was great, considering the plot. And that's where my main gripe is: the plot. If I wanted to see the original movie updated (basically) I would have stayed home and watched the original. I'm severely dissappointed in Singer and his team. They could have done something so much better than this. At the very least they could have updated Lex Luthor. Over the past 15 years he stopped being a mad scientist/con artist. He's been a businessman and the President for crying out loud. With corporate or goverment power he could have done something equally or more nasty than make a big rock in the middle of the Atlantic laced with Kryptonite.

I understand they were trying to make this a sequel to Donner's films, but I just think I would have rather them do something original and make this franchise their own.

I basically found this to be nothing but a popcorn film: lots of great effects with good to great acting to a very poor plot.

I give it a 5.

Smaug317

07/18/2006, 14:06

This Movie rocked.

10/10

Melgrimm

07/25/2006, 05:45

Alright, I'm throwing in my two cents: The film's trouble came from its pacing. The climax of the action and the climax of the emotional content came at seperate times, detracting from each other. It also relied heavily on Superman: The Movie, making it slightly too nostolgic for a re-launch and forcing a comparision between the two films, which is bad because the first film was simply revolutionary. All and all, this one seemed like a set-up film.

8.5 out of 10.

tidge

07/25/2006, 09:10

Here you go:

Superman Returns: Worst Super Hero Movie Ever? (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169276)

How anyone can say that with Elektra, Catwoman, Hulk, Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD, Daredevil, the first attempt at the Fantastic Four, and the Dolph Lundgren Punisher movie, is beyond me.

I liked Hulk, but it really wasn't a good movie.

I encourage comic fans to see both Catwoman and Nick Fury.

Catwoman may not be a very good Catwoman movie, but it is a solid movie. It is surprisingly witty, very self-contained (i.e. no need for fannish extrapolation/explanations of events) the plot is very straightforward and the supporting characters are also simple and straightforward, allowing the title character to have a little internal conflict too.

Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD has been playing on Encore off-and-on for a few months. I've actually found this movie to be a lot of fun. It honors the source material and it never degenerates into camp. Watching it is very much like reading a comic book.

Elektra bored me; Ang Lee's Hulk misfired on too many levels for me to enjoy it. I haven't seen any Fantastic Four movies, so no comment. The Dolph Lundgren Punisher was a standard Dolph vehicle, which is to say it didn't really have much going for it...it strays so far from the source material I'm not even sure it should qualify as a superhero movie.

ReZourceman

07/25/2006, 09:32

If you want to read my full opinion of it, read my ReZourcemans Cave last week.

7/10

EmperorNorton

08/22/2006, 18:45

6.75/10
(I think I gave X-Men III a 6.5 and this one deserves to be a little higher)

Mjolnir

08/26/2006, 02:12

After finally seeing the movie......
I thought it was too similar to Superman. The acting choices were excellent and the story wasn't that bad...........a little slow........

High points:
Actually showing him saving people when Metropolis was having the earthquakes was really really nice because she scenes didn't have that usual canned-hollywood "OK, here's this scene where you save someone then flash your pearly whites at the camera...." They seemed more like "oops, gotta catch this on my way to the bank, etc".
Kevin Spacey played Luthor well.
The.scene.with.the.airplane.at.the.ballpark. Awesome.... kinda gave ya a shiver down your back when the crowd gave him a standing ovation and he was done...
and remember "Statistically speaking, flying is still safer than driving."

I left the viewing thinking the same thing I thought 25+ years ago when I left the theater:
Man!!! lex Luthor can do better than that. The guy is supposed to be some kind of super-genius...... he invented kryptonite robots to go hunt down Superman for chrissake.

9 because it gave me the warm fuzzies and I can't wait for the next one.

To contrast them when I got home my wife and I watched the scene in Superman the Movie where Clark seriously debates telling Lois who Superman is and then you realize the difference between Clark Kent and Superman.....and what Christopher Reeve brought to that role. :)

Thinking of Christopher Reeve makes me want to watch Superman III and Superman IV to see how he did............ then I slap myself and snap out of it. I've only seen Superman III once and I've never seen Superman IV. From what I've heard... I'm not missing anything other than a wast of approximately 3+ hours of time I could better spend wasting on something else...

the itsy bit

09/01/2006, 07:39

after finally seeing the film (because we had a free ticket) I must say I feel like Mayberry Bat.

It felt like a Rip-off, had this been the first Superman movie then it would have been great.

Why Singer deserted X-men3 for this B-movie when he could have made X-men 3 awesome alludes me to no end...:rolleyes:

5,5/10 because ultimately it's a forgetable movie.

torontcollectr

09/01/2006, 11:53

Rokk_Krinn

09/01/2006, 12:46

Different, yet similar.
Enjoyed Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) kicking the @#$#$% out of Superman. The weakest part of the film was the "superkid" sorry that messes with a lot of things, and creates more than innuendo about what Superman/Lois Lane relationship was.
Overall would give it a 6

What innuendo? They were outright shown sleeping together in Superman II. I think that pretty much shoots the innuendo in the eyes of most folks. :)

Antipathy

12/22/2006, 15:39

7/10

Not a very memorable movie for me.

SaferSephiroth

01/15/2007, 18:20

8/10.

1. I also feel he was creepy when he stalked Lois. I mean she's engaged to a seemingly good guy.
2. Superman kinda KILLED Kumar and the other henchmen. (a chunk of the island falls on them and if that didn't do it the toss into orbit definitely did). Also kinda creepy that his kid killed Brutus.
3. and this is kinda unfair as I don't remember the original 2, but what's the deal with Superman abandoning Earth? And being a deadbeat dad? Irresponsible if you ask me.
4. There wasn't really closure. Did he leave Lex and Kitty to die? Did he let them get away? (to be fair, there might be a sequel but meh)

What was the deal with the second dog?

But overall, I liked it. It was entertaining, Routh was good for the part (it's not fair to compare him to Reeve as no one will ever replace him). Even the lifting of the Kryptonite island I can buy, as he recharged himself on solar energy beforehand.

monkeyshines

04/17/2007, 18:49

This movie was carp. I have to give this a 3 max.

Manchine

07/03/2007, 18:07

Have to say this is one of the ones I love

9.75 out of 10

anonym0use

08/07/2007, 14:11

Saw it in the theaters and liked it a lot. Watched it on video last weekend, and decided I loved it.

Routh in a kind of creepy (but good) way channels Chris Reeve's Clark Kent.

Spacey is dead on as the Real Estate Infatuated Luthor.

I love all the paralells in the script. Lois loses her "love" and hooks up with another guy that takes her flying, and is a square jawed hero type. All the father/sun stuff. Marlon Brando's voiceover. The Williams score. Supes sonic booms as he tears through the sky - or listening to everything on earth all at the same time - It all gels nicely.

I also love the nods to other Supermen stories - Superman rescues the space shuttle. I particularly enjoyed seeing Richard Branson's cameo as a shuttle pilot - what with Virgin spearheading space tourism.

The film's plot has a few holes - but so did the original movies. There's no mention of how Lex plans to claim the Island as his own - nor does there need to be. It's not meant to be a thinking man's movie as much as an "Oh my Gosh! Superman just took a bullet to the eyeball and didn't flinch!" movie.

9.5 out of 10

mick77

02/09/2008, 17:04

Superman has a kid!!!!! Superman gets taken down by 1 small piece of Kryptonite, then he returns and lift a mountain full of it!!!!!
This movie sucked. I even fear that X3 would have been worst if Bryan Singer would have stayed behind it.
3/10

DTM

02/09/2008, 17:10

When he lifted the island at the end, he did so by going deep underneath it and lifting alot of extra normal rock to protect him from the scattered streams of Kryptonite within the island (the entire island wasnt mean of K). It was only during the mid to end of his journey updward did the bottom rocks fall away and the K start to affect him. And the small piece of K was a knife, lunged into his side, doesnt exactly sound like one small piece to me. :)

....as for Superman having a kid? Blah, I hated that too (the idea of it, not the protrayal of the child, which was quite good really)

iameleveneight

02/26/2008, 15:33

and the small piece of K was a knife, lunged into his side, doesnt exactly sound like one small piece to me. :)
)

It was about the size of a large butcher's knife. Small my ###. Multiply that by the fact that its a lethally radioactive substance to Superman which has now been broken off and twisted so there are likely shards of it left inside him.

And as far as X3 goes, you're kidding right? Like that movie could have gotten any worse? I mean really. There's a trainwreck of a franchise right there.

Normandy

03/14/2008, 14:12

8.5/10 It was pretty good. Although I wished he would of thrown some punches.

Wyldstaar

04/16/2008, 19:55

I fully expected to love this movie. Bryan Singer being attached as director? Picking up as a quasi-sequel where Superman II left off? How could it go wrong?

Then I saw the film and got my answer. Turns out it could go very, very wrong indeed. Supes has been gone for five years. Okay, wait a minute. If he's been gone for five years, why does Lois look like she's in her early twenties? Ah, I'm being too picky I tell myself. Don't worry about it.

Next, we get Lex Luthor planning to sink habitable land so that he can "own" some of the only useful real estate on Earth. What? First of all, we've already seen this, haven't we? This was the plot for the first Superman movie! At least in the first movie, Lex actually OWNED the land that would become the California coastline when the rest of California sank into the Pacific. This time, not so much. This time he's going to create a new continent in the Atlantic. How precisely is he supposed to lay claim to this piece of real estate? Plant a flag and shout "finders keepers" to the world?

Then we discover that Lois has a kid out of wedlock that even the village idiot knows full well is Clark's, and is shacked up with Perry's son. WHAT? Okay, sure Lois is a modern girl. She can live with someone without being married. I can live with that. I'll even buy that it's Perry's son. Supes has been gone for years, after all, and she had to move on. But a KID?!? This is what happens when a comics company cannot tell the movie company "No, you can't do that." If DC were not owned by WB, they would NEVER have allowed this to happen.

Finally, we have Superman taking on the island of kryptonite. Superman couldn't even get out of a swimming pool with that stuff around his neck the first time he encountered it. Now all he has to do is soak up some rays, and he's good to go?

I could almost forgive all of this, just for the Aquaman underoos his son was wearing at the end of the movie. Almost, but not quite. Still, I've seen much worse. The movie was a let down of my expectations, but it beats Superman IV any day.

5/10

DTM

04/17/2008, 03:03

A few things:

As for Lex laying claim to his new island, it actually was addressed in the film, at which point Lex states that with his near Godlike technology he would be able to take his new land By Force ("Bring It On" I believe he said about any nation daring enough to challenge him).

And as addressed previously here, the island at the end wasnt all Krytonite, it just had areas of K running through its mostly rocky outer shell. This is why he used his heat vision to cut and dig deep enough around and under the island, so that the surround normal earth would protect him from the Ks affects (until such rock fell apart, but at that time he had it high enough that with his undying willpower and physical strength he was able to move it a little more and away from Earth)

I mean sure Kate was a bit young to be playing an experienced Lois, and I didnt much care for Superman having a son, but all in all it was great to see Superman (and John Williams) on the big screen again, and though by and large Singer did a great job, and is really going to WOW us with Superman Returns Again. :p

monkeyshines

05/01/2008, 13:20

Not the worst movie but I didn't care for it either, overall a 4.

Sgt Grimes

05/20/2008, 20:59

Bad acting, boring script..... but of course it doesn't help that i dislike superman as a character (5/10)

W.I.T

01/07/2010, 15:40

I never saw this one in theatre for some reason. My kids 'bought' it for me that Christmas, and I still never watched it for about 6 months after I'd gotten it. The old Superman movie happened to be on the TV one Saturday afternoon, and I remembered that I had this movie, still unopened. I decided to throw it in. As soon as the theme music started up, I got chills. I really enjoyed this movie.

Kevin Spacey was (IMO) much better than Gene Hackman as Luthor. Routh looks like what I'd imagine Superman to be, and he did a fine job. I am not a huge fan of the original movies, and I like this rendition much better.

My only beef was with how 'slow' and 'weak' they portrayed him. When the plane is falling from the sky, and he's struggling to catch up with it, and then struggling to stop it from crashing. yeah, I get the whole dramatic effect of it, but it seemed too forced for me.

Other than that, I really liked the way the whole movie played out. Big thumbs up. A solid 8.5/10