The Official Fantasy Heroclix League Season 2

[MSU]

Ironman is good and bad, like Catwoman.

We then have the problem of Oracle and Batgirl....Oracle is cheaper than batgirl and the same character.

[vicious x]

Further, LE George Tarelton shoud be draftable and he upgrades to M.O.D.O.K.

in theory wouldn't you draft M.O.D.O.K. and have access to George Tarelton?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don't we have the whole "most expensive rev/cheapest rookie" rule?

I would think you draft R Batgirl and that means you get U Oracle.
Or I would think you could draft just U Oracle.

Its different with characters who have higher cost Uniques or only uniques (like Lex or Thanos). At least thats how I understand it.

[vicious x]

yeah I thought you would draft the cheapest non LE of that character, so you would have to draft Oracle and work your way up to the REV Batgirl,....

[Tanis11]

Oracle is within the Batgirl progression, since they are the same person. But the only way you can get ICWO is to have a Bat Allies team or Birds of Prey team I believe.

[GreatArelius1]

Yea, I couldve have used Oracle if I upgraded. But never did plus would not of had access to ICWO.

[Jackofhearts2005]

yeah I thought you would draft the cheapest non LE of that character, so you would have to draft Oracle and work your way up to the REV Batgirl,....
But you can start with the most expensive rookie.
Ex: Icons Robin instead of HT Robin.

[TMNT99]

4 more votes to come in.... then we'll know if we re-boot.

And I will be updating the separate characters list shortly.

[TMNT99]

Doom has over 1,000 pts on his team at the moment. Someone will face his wrath if suddenly he gets dropped back to 400. ;)

This is actually a point for one last rule change.

A salary cap of about 800 pts.

Because it seems when you draft soooo many characters that you never end up using, you really just end up taking away viable team options for other players.

There are a couple teams that have soooooo many players, they never used several of them all season.

[tenketsu]

This is actually a point for one last rule change.

A salary cap of about 800 pts.

Because it seems when you draft soooo many characters that you never end up using, you really just end up taking away viable team options for other players.

There are a couple teams that have soooooo many players, they never used several of them all season.

Well, I have 783 pts worth of figs and I was glad for each and every one of them, so I'm gonna have to say a big no to that.

[Thawmus]

Just out of curiosity, what would it take for a reboot to occur?

It would take more than just a majority vote, right?

At least, that's my opinion. I voted for it, but I don't think we should get it unless there's like less than 5 people who don't want the reboot.

[Thawmus]

Well, I have 783 pts worth of figs and I was glad for each and every one of them, so I'm gonna have to say a big no to that.

Touche'

I'm pretty sure I used everyone on my team outside of Penguin.

[tenketsu]

Just out of curiosity, what would it take for a reboot to occur?

It would take more than just a majority vote, right?

At least, that's my opinion. I voted for it, but I don't think we should get it unless there's like less than 5 people who don't want the reboot.

This is my thought also.

[Melkhor]

Just out of curiosity, what would it take for a reboot to occur?

It would take more than just a majority vote, right?

At least, that's my opinion. I voted for it, but I don't think we should get it unless there's like less than 5 people who don't want the reboot.

Hey, "Salus Populi, Salus Dei" (the voice of the people is the voice of God) as the Romans used to say, at least that's my opinion. If a majority feels we should have a reboot now (and as Turtle said, we're NOT voting to have a re-boot every 2nd season. We're voting if we should re-boot after THIS season), then so be it.

I'm fine with either result, personally, but I most certainly stand by my vote. We're letting a simple majority decide all the other issues we're voting on, aren't we? Why on Earth should this one be any different?

[MSU]

Are we still missing teams and that is the reason we don't have one of the Marvel and one of the DC games up?

[Thawmus]

Hey, "Salus Populi, Salus Dei" (the voice of the people is the voice of God) as the Romans used to say, at least that's my opinion. If a majority feels we should have a reboot now (and as Turtle said, we're NOT voting to have a re-boot every 2nd season. We're voting if we should re-boot after THIS season), then so be it.

I'm fine with either result, personally, but I most certainly stand by my vote. We're letting a simple majority decide all the other issues we're voting on, aren't we? Why on Earth should this one be any different?

In that case, I'll be switching my vote.

[JacinB]

In that case, I'll be switching my vote.
So you, actually, voted for the reboot before you voted against it ... ?

[Thawmus]

So you, actually, voted for the reboot before you voted against it ... ?

Yeah, I voted for the reboot. Under the assumption that we wouldn't reboot with a simple majority vote. I would hope that wouldn't be the case with something as drastic as a quick reboot. There are some players that are going to need a full 3 seasons to get their teams going, and they've put over a year into them. If they don't want a reboot before the planned one, then we shouldn't get one, simple as that.

It was a yes or no question, so I voted yes. Since my feelings on the matter, quite frankly, aren't that simple, I'm voting no.

[zakiszak]

I sent Turtle my team last Thursday but I don't think he received it. Resent after getting an email saying he needed my team.

[CurBludgeon]

Are we still missing teams and that is the reason we don't have one of the Marvel and one of the DC games up?

That's what I'm assuming.

[Melkhor]

To the best of my knowledge, GL4Life and his Ultimates have been MIA for the last two weeks or so now, which might have something to do with it.

[Thawmus]

Are we still missing teams and that is the reason we don't have one of the Marvel and one of the DC games up?

I looked, and Iceman was on late last night, so maybe he posted his team.

[MSU]

(brings out sign making materials)

I am getting ready for the recount and the eventual case being brought to the Supreme Court. Looks like Nebraska might be the new Ohio. :laugh:

[MSU]

I looked, and Iceman was on late last night, so maybe he posted his team.

Are you stalking Scott?

;)

[zakiszak]

Ooooh, what was he wearing?

My assumption was just that Turtle was particularly busy at the moment.

[Melkhor]

Are you stalking Scott?

;)

Worried about the competition, are we ;)

[Thawmus]

Are you stalking Scott?

;)

No, I'm stalking you, remember?

[zakiszak]

At the pre-release someone told me that Danger room updated the Wildcard rules, making it so that as soon as the member of your team with a TA (say, Alfred) is KO'd, the team's access to that TA vamooses.

Previously, so long as someone on your team was still wildcarding the TA, you could keep it past it's owners vamoosedness.

Is this update accurate? I much prefer the update, as it gives one a more viable strategy against Wildcard teams, particularly those that just use one very cheap version of the character (such as alfred, the new Lois Lane), as opposed to a figure who is a viable fighter in their own right like Huntress.

[CurBludgeon]

At the pre-release someone told me that Danger room updated the Wildcard rules, making it so that as soon as the member of your team with a TA (say, Alfred) is KO'd, the team's access to that TA vamooses.

Previously, so long as someone on your team was still wildcarding the TA, you could keep it past it's owners vamoosedness.

Is this update accurate? I much prefer the update, as it gives one a more viable strategy against Wildcard teams, particularly those that just use one very cheap version of the character (such as alfred, the new Lois Lane), as opposed to a figure who is a viable fighter in their own right like Huntress.

This update is correct.

[Melkhor]

At the pre-release someone told me that Danger room updated the Wildcard rules, making it so that as soon as the member of your team with a TA (say, Alfred) is KO'd, the team's access to that TA vamooses.

Previously, so long as someone on your team was still wildcarding the TA, you could keep it past it's owners vamoosedness.

Is this update accurate? I much prefer the update, as it gives one a more viable strategy against Wildcard teams, particularly those that just use one very cheap version of the character (such as alfred, the new Lois Lane), as opposed to a figure who is a viable fighter in their own right like Huntress.

Yep, that's 100% correct. As of Danger Room, all Wild Cards on your team immediately and instantanously loose a TA when the last figure on your team with it is KO'ed. Which, I might add, is why everyone playing against MSU goes for Invisible Kid ;)

[TMNT99]

I feel kinda stronly about a salary cap. Strategy is fun and all, but at some point I'm trying to help people establish new teams and even remote teams are not possible to field because random characters are on un-thematic teams are never even used.

That hasn't happened so much in Season 2, with only maybe 5 characters I can spot that never saw any fielding, but what happens during Season 3 when you have even more points and more characters?

[CurBludgeon]

I feel kinda stronly about a salary cap. Strategy is fun and all, but at some point I'm trying to help people establish new teams and even remote teams are not possible to field because random characters are on un-thematic teams are never even used.

That hasn't happened so much in Season 2, with only maybe 5 characters I can spot that never saw any fielding, but what happens during Season 3 when you have even more points and more characters?

So the problem isn't so much about the point value of figures that somebody has, but the number of figures not being used?

Instead of a salary cap, which restricts players from the number of recruit points they can earn or trade for, how about a roster size limit then? Cap a team at ten or 12 or whatever roster spots, and that's it?

[TMNT99]

I'm just trying to trouble shoot. And I don't want anyone to feel picked on.

[Thawmus]

I'm just trying to trouble shoot. And I don't want anyone to feel picked on.

We understand. But what about Cur's idea above?

[Stepper79]

I see your point Turtle about a cap but I think it could become problematic as you move thru the season

1) do Feats count against the cap
2) in injury rule would then need to be reworked, what happens should someone have a character benched and then due to cap restrictions cannot field a competitive team
3) then we would need to do away with the mid season draft
4) where does the cap measured from at the rookie lvl what happens if I manage to upgrade everyone and I am then over the cap do I have to give up players
5) how much would the cap increase in season 2 and three otherwise why draft new players

may be the simpler solution is to then offer the team that is not using the player the opportunity to cash them in so that the new team could form or do away with the "Locked" rule and give the teams the ability to "franchise tag" a player instead someone (or two, three) that cannot be stolen during the draft and free everyone else up to be drafted away

[Stepper79]

now that I am done typing the roster limit works better, the NFL only has 53 man squads which give enough for two full teams plus 9 extra players , so 12 players on a team should be plenty

[TMNT99]

What do you guys think should be the cap on the amount of characters on a team?

And how would the new generic rule effect that rule?

[TMNT99]

Currently we are missing 5 votes (including mine, as I'm undecided) on the re-boot issue.

Coyotejack is one, but he's been gone for nearly two months, and I'm not even sure when he's to resurface.

[CurBludgeon]

I'm just trying to trouble shoot. And I don't want anyone to feel picked on.

Like Thawmus said, we understand. Which is why I'm suggesting something which seems to hit your concern more directly, and also is simpler to enforce from a commissioner's perspective. If you go with point cap limits, then people start asking how it affects upgrades and feats and all that. A roster size limit is simple, and only requires that people be able to count to a dozen or so.

EDIT: Oh, and in response to the generics rule, I suppose we would have to make some kind of addendum to that. :)

Hmm, how about 10 named characters as a roster limit, plus no limit to generics? If somebody wants to run a Multiple Man/SHIELD/Hydra army, it A) adds to the theminess of the league and B) isn't hurting anybody else by denying them the possibility of getting a character on their roster.

[Melkhor]

As long as we don't count multiple thematic generics against a roster cap, I think it's a great idea. I see where Turtle is coming from, and I agree completely that this is a problem that's only going to get worse if it isn't solved quickly.

[Thawmus]

Here's my vote:

12 Character limit, generics don't count as characters.

This would save teams like Shield and PD a lot of agony later on.

[TMNT99]

Currently the average size of people teams is 9 to 10 characters (9.61363)

7 teams have over 12 characters, T-Bolts, Brotherhood, Minions of Doom, Sinister 6, Batman Enemies, Young Justice and JLI

With the Minions topping out with 19 characters

[JacinB]

I think the maximum number of characters should be ... 8-ish, not including thematic generics (ie: SHIELD characters on a SHIELD team, etc.).

Edit: 'Cause I only really need about ... six. :)

[rouge2]

From August:

Looking at the shape up for the draft, I have to ask this:

Should we be instituting a "cap"?

With the Society being being able to draft huge quantities of figures with a signing bonus, combined with their high point total from the previous season, they have the ability to clean out a *lot* of characters. With DC Villains in relatively limited supply, that's really going to hurt the mid-season draft, not to mention the options in team selection it will give them.

Should we look at a 12-15 character limit for a roster? I recognise this is a unique case, but Doom and S6 in Marvel are in similar positions (granted there is a larger pool of Marvel villains to draw from). If we start adding more players, the pool gets that much smaller.

Something to think about.

[CurBludgeon]

From August:

Nobody likes a know-it-all.















Just kidding. I still like you. I checked "yes" on that note you sent. ;)

[Melkhor]

I think the maximum number of characters should be ... 8-ish, not including thematic generics (ie: SHIELD characters on a SHIELD team, etc.).

Edit: 'Cause I only really need about ... six. :)

Yet your team currently has 9 members... :p

[Peers]

I think a point cap or figure cap is going to be one of those "hard to do, but good for the league" ideas... as stated above, the average team has 9-10 figures, with 7 having over 12... a 12-figure cap will hurt those seven. And looking at which seven it is... well, look at what figs they have. Some large, some small, making it hard to decide who to cut.

A 'figure cap' will really hurt those teams that rely on less-expensive figures. A point cap will punish those who start with decent figures who upgrade into 'really expensive' territory.

What I would propose is some kind of 'risk' involved with being over a figure or point cap, not make it a hard-and-fast 'Do not go over this level' barrier. Perhaps, "If you have over 800 points, you get your own 'big-team' draft after everyone else goes and gets first shot at the available figures" or "If you have over twelve figures, your stealable figures can be stolen without paying the extra 50% points" or something along those lines. We shouldn't prevent people from having large teams, but there should be some element of risk to it.

[Stepper79]

Currently we are missing 5 votes (including mine, as I'm undecided) on the re-boot issue.

Coyotejack is one, but he's been gone for nearly two months, and I'm not even sure when he's to resurface.


So its close enough that the outstanding votes are going to make the call??

[The Vision]

I\'ve got one other rule I\'d like people to consider:

When a player has obtained a cross-universe figure, that figure cannot be kept at the end of a season (as it is currently). But that figure is draftable by that player in the following drafts, beginning with the 2nd round of the draft.

Example: The Secret Six (DC) have obtained Spiderman 2099 (Marvel). Spidey can\'t be kept on the roster between seasons. But the Six will have the ability to draft that character in subsequent drafts, once the 2nd round begins.

Rationale: Same universe teams still get first dibs on the character and new teams coming into the league late will also have a crack at the figure. The figure will still be \'stealable.\' But the player who used the figure on their team for a season will still have a chance at bringing that figure back.

[TMNT99]

So its close enough that the outstanding votes are going to make the call??

Yep, but in my mind that means no re-boot. I really thought there was soooo much talk about starting new teams that there would be overwhelming support.

And those who want a re-boot seem ok with waiting another season, while those who don't will probably cry.

So while the re-boot might win the popular vote, I think the motion has been defeated on the floor.

[CurBludgeon]

I\'ve got one other rule I\'d like people to consider:


Ah. The Abbey Chase Rule. :laugh:

[The Vision]

I\'m in favor of:

-A 10 named character + generics roster limit.

-An 800pt. salary cap (with feat not counting against the cap).

-I\'m in favor of a reboot, but I gave Turtle my proxy.

[The Vision]

Ah. The Abbey Chase Rule. :laugh:

Yeah, but with the reboot I\'ll be playing a completely different, Abbey-less, team.

[JacinB]

Yet your team currently has 9 members... :p
Like I really need Hatter. :)

[JacinB]

I\'ve got one other rule I\'d like people to consider:

When a player has obtained a cross-universe figure, that figure cannot be kept at the end of a season (as it is currently). But that figure is draftable by that player in the following drafts, beginning with the 2nd round of the draft.

Example: The Secret Six (DC) have obtained Spiderman 2099 (Marvel). Spidey can\'t be kept on the roster between seasons. But the Six will have the ability to draft that character in subsequent drafts, once the 2nd round begins.

Rationale: Same universe teams still get first dibs on the character and new teams coming into the league late will also have a crack at the figure. The figure will still be \'stealable.\' But the player who used the figure on their team for a season will still have a chance at bringing that figure back.
I'm downwiddat.

[CurBludgeon]

Like I really need Hatter. :)

As spoken by Ragdoll.

[Stepper79]

Yep, but in my mind that means no re-boot. I really thought there was soooo much talk about starting new teams that there would be overwhelming support.

And those who want a re-boot seem ok with waiting another season, while those who don't will probably cry.

So while the re-boot might win the popular vote, I think the motion has been defeated on the floor.


Then I would Suggest we table it and get moving on the rest of the playoffs. and for those wanting to join maybe start another minor league group that has full access to all figs so that they can get a handle on the game make sure they want to play and also act as incubator for some of the rules changes that we are tossing about.

[vicious x]

I\'ve got one other rule I\'d like people to consider:

When a player has obtained a cross-universe figure, that figure cannot be kept at the end of a season (as it is currently). But that figure is draftable by that player in the following drafts, beginning with the 2nd round of the draft.

Example: The Secret Six (DC) have obtained Spiderman 2099 (Marvel). Spidey can\'t be kept on the roster between seasons. But the Six will have the ability to draft that character in subsequent drafts, once the 2nd round begins.

Rationale: Same universe teams still get first dibs on the character and new teams coming into the league late will also have a crack at the figure. The figure will still be \'stealable.\' But the player who used the figure on their team for a season will still have a chance at bringing that figure back.



I like this but would rather see the character available starting round 3.

as far as the salary cap and/or figure cap I don't like it b/c for the most part characters are only available during the draft. you could have continued to draft if you wanted the characters that remained and if you had the points. the only problem is if we get new people to join the league during the middle of the season (the minor leagues) but the way to fix this shortage of characters is to have an expansion draft, you can protect up to 10 characters from your team, everyone else is draftable. :)

[GreatArelius1]

I think we should limit roster to 12; generics only cout as 1 no matter how many you have. I dont think there should be a cap on points cause if for some reason I have like 900 (for example) and draft those I really want and have lets say 290pts left and not a full roster; I might draft Ganthet for the heck of it. So limit roster: yes. Point cap: No

[JacinB]

I like this but would rather see the character available starting round 3.

as far as the salary cap and/or figure cap I don't like it b/c for the most part characters are only available during the draft. you could have continued to draft if you wanted the characters that remained and if you had the points. the only problem is if we get new people to join the league during the middle of the season (the minor leagues) but the way to fix this shortage of characters is to have an expansion draft, you can protect up to 10 characters from your team, everyone else is draftable. :)
When teams average just under 10 characters, chosing which 10 to protect isn't really a challenge and doesn't really open up much for other teams.

I'd say, you can 'protect' up to 6. That leaves, for most teams, just less than half of your team as 'stealable' in the midseason draft. And, it allows new teams, or expansion teams, to have more viable options.

[CurBludgeon]

I'd say, you can 'protect' up to 6. That leaves, for most teams, just less than half of your team as 'stealable' in the midseason draft. And, it allows new teams, or expansion teams, to have more viable options.

You know, I really like that idea. Folks can only protect 3 characters during "stealable" portions of the draft. If potential minor league teams want to make a thematic draft choice, let them steal off of rosters that have made their protected lists of 6 at cost, so there's no steal bonus making it prohibitively expensive for new teams, but no theme bonus either. It would be similar to the Rule 5 draft in baseball.

[vicious x]

When teams average just under 10 characters, chosing which 10 to protect isn't really a challenge and doesn't really open up much for other teams.

I'd say, you can 'protect' up to 6. That leaves, for most teams, just less than half of your team as 'stealable' in the midseason draft. And, it allows new teams, or expansion teams, to have more viable options.

a new team expansion draft should not punish teams that try to go thematic (or have small rosters) if you have a million points and go for a very large team, you end up hurting new people that would join in the middle of the year so those teams should feel the affect of the expansion draft and possibly lose a character or two. I'm not much for a cap bc you can only keep 3 or 4 at the end of the year so if you really want someone you can still draft him/her the following year.

[vicious x]

I don't want the salary cap bc sooner or later I am going to do my Sentinel theme team would love to have done it this coming season (one and done) but don't think I have the points for nimrod/bastion/and a few sentinels :( one day..... one day,.... :cry:

[Iceman425]

I'm cool with a 10 or 12 Named figure roster limit. 10 makes more sense to me, but I'm running a lot of higher pointed figures and I don't see the need for more really.

I made a comment about limiting the number of generics allowed per squad in my vote.

Yesterday I played against a Deathstroke/Jinx/Ravager team with 6 V Hives, 6 E Hives and a few R's. I won the game but all I could think about was what if someone owns all these generics in this league, effective generics. For a squad like mine who has high pointed figures, we would fall to a swarm like this, easily, there are just too many of them. There are a lot of teams like that in this league, teams who have a few members since we go for the "theme" aspect.

I am just wondering out loud if a cap of 5 of each generic sculpt should be instituted? Am I just overthinking here?

[JacinB]

a new team expansion draft should not punish teams that try to go thematic (or have small rosters) ...
Can you point me to a team that we have currently that has more than 10 members on it that are all thematic? Or, for that matter, a team that has more than six members that are all thematic?

Most teams in comics max out at 6-7 'thematic', core characters. For examples, I point you to the Secret Six, Shadowpact, Teen Titans, Outsiders, the Astonishing X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, New Avengers, New New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, etc.

Teams that have more members than that, most specifically the JSA and the JLA, are already broken down into 'era' teams so as to allow for (or, force) more thematic builds.

When you start extending too much beyond the 6-7 'core' characters that most comic teams have, you start limiting what other teams can do thematically. And, when you start limiting what other teams can do thematically, you start harming one of the original intents of this League, which was thematic play.

[GreatArelius1]

Well JLI had a rotating roster, so I could have more :)

[The Vision]

I\'d say, you can \'protect\' up to 6. That leaves, for most teams, just less than half of your team as \'stealable\' in the midseason draft. And, it allows new teams, or expansion teams, to have more viable options.

Man this has been my main complaint with the leage for a while. I\'d love 6, but I\'d be happy with 5.

Mark my vote.

[zakiszak]

Could, but do not

[Thawmus]

Can you point me to a team that we have currently that has more than 10 members on it that are all thematic? Or, for that matter, a team that has more than six members that are all thematic?

Most teams in comics max out at 6-7 'thematic', core characters. For examples, I point you to the Secret Six, Shadowpact, Teen Titans, Outsiders, the Astonishing X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, New Avengers, New New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, etc.

Teams that have more members than that, most specifically the JSA and the JLA, are already broken down into 'era' teams so as to allow for (or, force) more thematic builds.

When you start extending too much beyond the 6-7 'core' characters that most comic teams have, you start limiting what other teams can do thematically. And, when you start limiting what other teams can do thematically, you start harming one of the original intents of this League, which was thematic play.

All I gotta say is we better be repealing the injury rule altogether if my roster is limited to 8.

Hell, most of the teams I use are a team of 7-8. So if I end up with an injury, I'm just screwed? I have to go draft out of the high-point Superman Enemies to make up for them? I don't think that makes any sense at all.

True, comic teams are usually 6-7. But we're not all using comic teams.

When was the last time you saw Ra's, Azrael, Joker, Clayface, and Prometheus all teaming up?

[zakiszak]

8 is too low for a draft cap, since a 400 point team that uses all of its actions is going to be 8 figures. 12 is a good number.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Originally Posted by rouge2
Looking at the shape up for the draft, I have to ask this:

Should we be instituting a "cap"?

With the Society being being able to draft huge quantities of figures with a signing bonus, combined with their high point total from the previous season, they have the ability to clean out a *lot* of characters. With DC Villains in relatively limited supply, that's really going to hurt the mid-season draft, not to mention the options in team selection it will give them.

Should we look at a 12-15 character limit for a roster? I recognise this is a unique case, but Doom and S6 in Marvel are in similar positions (granted there is a larger pool of Marvel villains to draw from). If we start adding more players, the pool gets that much smaller.

Something to think about.

And instead he went with Magog.
I know my team is completely thematic and I could have more, but at the same time I could defineately lose a couple members here and there (like say Cheetah to a Wonder Woman villians squad) and really not be that much worse off.

But thats the point of the draft right? The defenders have serveral X-Men on the team. If a new X-Men team came along, they would put any figures not kept by the defenders in their starting 200. Then they could draft say Rogue and steal Gambit from the Maradurs, Cyclops from the Defenders, Wolverine from Shield, etc etc.

I would definately vote for a rule saying "stealing a thematic figure from a non thematic team (like the X-Men stealing Cyclops from the Defenders) would be the same cost as just drafting them". This makes it easier on new teams, because the cost of stealing back the X-Men right now would be pretty high.

[VanceMadrox]

And, when you start limiting what other teams can do thematically, you start harming one of the original intents of this League, which was thematic play.


Actually while we did intend for thematic play for those who wanted, one of the starting points of this league was to explicitly allow non theme play too. This league has its basis in the RPSC which is entirely thematic by nature. When I first conceived of the league I imagined a much more competitive style league. The thematic elements that we do have were more Turtle's contribution as a way to make it a little less cutthroat.

That fact that we have so many thematic teams is all thanks to you, the players. Its your demand for it that's made it happen to the extent it has. And while it may differ from our inital vision, I'm astounded at the success of the league. It's all about making you guys happy. If you guys wanted all thematic teams and play, I'd be all for it, so long as its what everyone wanted

[JacinB]

All I gotta say is we better be repealing the injury rule altogether if my roster is limited to 8.
Can't you opt to 'release' injured team members?

So, say you've got someone injured and benched for the season. You 'release' them and draft to fill their spot with your excess points at mid-season (or, possibly, prior to the post-season).

Most major sports do something similar. You get a guy who gets injured and is out for the season, and the team starts looking to the free agent markets or to trade for a replacement.

This would be no different, really.

Or, another simple solution would be that 'benched' players don't count toward your overall team build limit. Thus, you'd be effectively given a 'Physically Unable to Perform' list. Then, at the end of the season, you would have to choose whether to hold onto the character that'd been injured or the new character(s) you'd brought in and developed that filled their slot.

[vicious x]

while it is true that core teams don't go past 8 members and if you pick major teams you can pick the era for a theme,.... the majority of teams aren't x-men jla and avengers ( :rolleyes: ) just look at the west coast avengers I could pick theme wise everyone on that team and have over ten characters just bc no one else can (would) make a claim on the WCA or a small team.

if we limit our teams to ten and we get a big injury game that could mess up a team for the entire year,.... so no limits on characters but at the same time we shouldn't punish teams that enter the league late,..... if the minions have the points and rather pick up foddlers instead of high point figures I say let them, true that I doubt that calypso ever worked with doom or most of his team for that matter ;) but he has the points let him pick them we have the morality rule so I think its fair. if a team joins mid season yes he/she would be screwed so we have an expansion draft that lets teams like the WCA keep their entire team with the protect 10 figures but hurts the minions by allowing the new team draft them with out any penalty.

well thats my two dollars sorry no sense

[CurBludgeon]

How much do we need to "fix"?

Yes, I know we've got a large demand for people who want to join. But I want to say at the beginning of this season, we ran a rough count as to how many figs were available per manager, and we were looking pretty full there. So that spawns this question.

Do we have room to incorporate more teams in this league?

If yes, then ok, let's talk about ways to accomodate them so they have a fighting chance.

If no, then why this concern? So what if Wakandaman has 18 figs on his roster? We've got mechanisms that allow fig-stealing. Are they not enough?

[Thawmus]

How much do we need to "fix"?

Yes, I know we've got a large demand for people who want to join. But I want to say at the beginning of this season, we ran a rough count as to how many figs were available per manager, and we were looking pretty full there. So that spawns this question.

Do we have room to incorporate more teams in this league?

If yes, then ok, let's talk about ways to accomodate them so they have a fighting chance.

If no, then why this concern? So what if Wakandaman has 18 figs on his roster? We've got mechanisms that allow fig-stealing. Are they not enough?

I agree. Stepper and I were talking about this last night, as well. We've got a lot of teams waiting in the wings, I know, but I'm not sure we'll be able to fit them in like that.

I have a feeling that this just going to turn into a very popular idea, and we're just going to have to come to grips with the fact that this is going to end up with more than one league.

I mean, I've talked to people that are completely opposed to the idea of play by post games, but as soon as I explain them the fantasy league rules, they're begging me to tell them when they can come in. I've got 4 people right off the top of my head that would be willing to join. And I doubt I'm alone. This thing is just too big to control in a single league.

[Stepper79]

I agree. Stepper and I were talking about this last night, as well.


SHHHHHH soon they will think we are talking behind their backs and plotting to take over

[CurBludgeon]

Dammit, if there's plotting going on, I want IN. Especially if it involves backstabbing. Or frontstabbing.

I like knives.

[Stepper79]

Dammit, if there's plotting going on, I want IN. Especially if it involves backstabbing. Or frontstabbing.

I like knives.


Only Chainsaws mounted to the front of my Machine gun "WOOOOOH Bring it on Sucka!!"

[The Vision]

And thanks for all the votes in Peers feat making contest over in the Dreams and Desires forum....fricken slackers....[/sarcasm]




mumble...mumble...not one fricken vote...mumble...mumble...you wanna see chainsaws do you???

[Stepper79]

Um did you post a link _ we are a lazy group here

[The Vision]

click here: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192048


And say \"I vote for The Vision\'s Vibratory Speed feat...it rocks and is well balanced.\"

Don\'t bother reading the feats, just hold your nose and vote.

[vicious x]

so how many people would be coming in,..... I still think that there is room their is only one indy team and that can have at least four teams maybe more thats just off the top of my head.

marvel has quite a few teams still out there,.... the new teams would add a more thematic league,.... as big as the marvel side is I still see several teams open,.... heroes 4 hire, squadron supreme, inhumans just to name a few but of course teams would lose members from these teams if they had them. like I said my team was small I think a total 6 at its highest so injuries really scared me and kinda hurt my team (mockingbird kept hurting herself same with scarlet witch but I wasn't worried about her) but even with my 6 character rotation it was hard if not impossible to play with all of them at once. more people/teams = more theme teams,...

[vicious x]

I just read that by march 9 we need to turn in the 3 characters that we are going to carry over to next year, would that be the same time that we tell turtle if we want to keep the team? or is that over with and we are keeping the teams if you didn't post it earlier,... and no body would want to take over the WCA right?

[zakiszak]

I think the league could fit some more players, just not a ton. We have space for expansion as far as figure availability especially with the new set, and I don't think it's too crowded board wise. Unless Turtle and the administrators (I always forget who they are) are getting overwhelmed, which is understandable.

Although I'm biased, as I have 2 friends who are dying to get in, and whom I'd love to play with.

[Tanis11]

Well I'm waiting to see if we're going to reboot or not, cuz if we're rebooting, there's no point in sending in the characters I want to keep for next season. Also what about the player choices rewards? If we reboot, how do those work?

[GreatArelius1]

Well last year, we had the minor league. So maybe we should re instate the minor season 3 so everyone can come in fresh season 4

[Thawmus]

click here: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192048


And say \"I vote for The Vision\'s Vibratory Speed feat...it rocks and is well balanced.\"

Don\'t bother reading the feats, just hold your nose and vote.

Do I have to include slashes in front of my apostrophe\'s? ;)

[zakiszak]

Nothing like being at work on a Wednesday with internet access. I've now avoided 3 new stories with titles similar to:

"X responds to the shocking events of Captain America #25"

Hopefully I can continue dodging until tonight

[vicious x]

well with two dc sets in 07 I really think that the dc side can expand much more then marvel but like I said earlier we can have a bunch of teams join marvels side,.... and on the topic of the awards how long do they last? is it a one season thing? or a life time of the team???

[vicious x]

so in capt #25 capt america wakes up from his dream :) everything was a lie and he goes crazy,..... and thats the start of fallen solider

oh yeah spoiler if you read my post

[Tanis11]

well with two dc sets in 07 I really think that the dc side can expand much more then marvel but like I said earlier we can have a bunch of teams join marvels side,.... and on the topic of the awards how long do they last? is it a one season thing? or a life time of the team???

one season. :(

[SomaCruz42]

Only Chainsaws mounted to the front of my Machine gun "WOOOOOH Bring it on Sucka!!"
I call dibs on The Cole Train!

[Stepper79]

Hey Cur the Alan Scott LE has TK and the LE Shazam is a mystic HMMMM

[CurBludgeon]

Hey Cur the Alan Scott LE has TK and the LE Shazam is a mystic HMMMM

I'll let you know when I plan on spending 308 points to steal him AND Turtle allows me to steal-draft figs with the Mystics TA. (Hint: it rhymes with "forever.")

[TMNT99]

What about just staring Heroclix Fantasy League 1.0

Same league, and all who want to re-boot now can join in with all the new players.

Those who want to join to play a third season can do that instead.

When the third season is over, they'll go to season 1, and the other league will be on season 2, and new players can then jump in on the "new" season 1.

[tenketsu]

Why are we concerned with teams coming in mid-season, now? Are we going to start allowing that now? Cause that seems bizarre. And yeah, I think there are still plenty of figures to fill out rosters with, even with a fairly sizeable expansion of the league. This is why we're only allowed to keep 3/4 of the figs on our roster between seasons, and why we have a stealing rule, isn't it? Not to mention the possibility of trading. How much more fluid and unstable should our rosters be? I feel like we've wandered into a bizarre area here. Especially when, let's face it, it's likely that 1/3 or so of our newbies will have dropped out by Game 2. Let's not go overboard, here.

[MSU]

So wait, does that mean we only get two seasons in the reboot for those of us that want to stay on for season 3?

[vicious x]

so you have to pick, or if you have endless amount of time like me.... could you join both? :) so are they both one season leagues?

[Tanis11]

What about just staring Heroclix Fantasy League 1.0

Same league, and all who want to re-boot now can join in with all the new players.

Those who want to join to play a third season can do that instead.

When the third season is over, they'll go to season 1, and the other league will be on season 2, and new players can then jump in on the "new" season 1.

Whoa...that sounded complicated.

[TMNT99]

So wait, does that mean we only get two seasons in the reboot for those of us that want to stay on for season 3?

I'm suggesting two leagues playing the same game.

League 1 - Be on Season 3

League 2- Be on Season 1

after they complete those season

League 1 - Be On Season 1 (re-boot)

League 2 - Be on Season 2

and so on and so forth

[zakiszak]

So wait, does that mean we only get two seasons in the reboot for those of us that want to stay on for season 3?

Turtle said we're not doing the reboot ("defeated on the floor"), and has said that we will not institute a 2 season policy

[TMNT99]

so you have to pick, or if you have endless amount of time like me.... could you join both? :) so are they both one season leagues?

You'd have to pick

[TMNT99]

Turtle said we're not doing the reboot ("defeated on the floor"), and has said that we will not institute a 2 season policy

Very correct, although the final vote looks to be 50/50 exactly with two abstaining, as I know who GL4Life would vote.

[zakiszak]

And Then We Could Have A Mega Super Bowl Between The League Champs!

[tenketsu]

What about just staring Heroclix Fantasy League 1.0

Same league, and all who want to re-boot now can join in with all the new players.

Those who want to join to play a third season can do that instead.

When the third season is over, they'll go to season 1, and the other league will be on season 2, and new players can then jump in on the "new" season 1.

I think that that's probably a great idea. And, in fact, many problems would be solved if it were to go like this: League 1 3rd Season/League 2 1st Season -> League 1 1st Season/League 2 2nd Season -> League 1 2nd Season/League 2 3rd Season/ League 3 1st Season. Then forever more you'd always have a league that was rebooting available if you really wanted to get into a fresh league, and it would accomodate plenty of players, which by the time we get 2 seasons ahead of where we are now we might need. Obviously this may end up requiring more assistants to keep everything running smoothly. I also recommend that all the leagues use a unified ruleset to keep things on track.

[TMNT99]

I also recommend that all the leagues use a unified ruleset to keep things on track.

Same rules, that way everyone can help each other out!

[The Vision]

I'm suggesting two leagues playing the same game.

League 1 - Be on Season 3

League 2- Be on Season 1

after they complete those season

League 1 - Be On Season 1 (re-boot)

League 2 - Be on Season 2

and so on and so forth

Um...are we sure that two leagues is a good idea?? Double the work and double the chance of one league failing....

I prefer one league.

[vicious x]

Why are we concerned with teams coming in mid-season, now? Are we going to start allowing that now? Cause that seems bizarre. And yeah, I think there are still plenty of figures to fill out rosters with, even with a fairly sizeable expansion of the league. This is why we're only allowed to keep 3/4 of the figs on our roster between seasons, and why we have a stealing rule, isn't it? Not to mention the possibility of trading. How much more fluid and unstable should our rosters be? I feel like we've wandered into a bizarre area here. Especially when, let's face it, it's likely that 1/3 or so of our newbies will have dropped out by Game 2. Let's not go overboard, here.

I agree with everything said here

[JacinB]

I'd go ahead and go to League 2, if that option becomes available.

[The Vision]

Why are we concerned with teams coming in mid-season, now? Are we going to start allowing that now? Cause that seems bizarre. And yeah, I think there are still plenty of figures to fill out rosters with, even with a fairly sizeable expansion of the league. This is why we're only allowed to keep 3/4 of the figs on our roster between seasons, and why we have a stealing rule, isn't it? Not to mention the possibility of trading. How much more fluid and unstable should our rosters be? I feel like we've wandered into a bizarre area here. Especially when, let's face it, it's likely that 1/3 or so of our newbies will have dropped out by Game 2. Let's not go overboard, here.

Great post. Gonna rep it.

[The Vision]

If good sense fails us and we choose two leagues, I'll be in league two.

[vicious x]

yeah if a league fails the remaining teams merge with our league we will be the NFC you league 2ers would be the AFC

"what league are you in?"

[MSU]

I would hope for one league...although now I see 4 divisions, not two. There is DC East, DC West, Marvel East, Marvel West with Indy in those leagues.

[vicious x]

so jackofhearts was right all of this time :)

[MSU]

I would be staying for season 3 here in league one!

[vicious x]

I would hope for one league...although now I see 4 divisions, not two. There is DC East, DC West, Marvel East, Marvel West with Indy in those leagues.

its not really the teams in the league its the characters, I really think that we can add 10 plus teams but at least on the marvel side one would be hardcore theme wise every character would be used..... like I said we only have one indy team we can add at least 3 more and we can add at least 5 teams on the marvel side how many teams can we add to the dc side?

[vicious x]

there were 18 dc teams and 26 marvel teams indy teams were in both we lost a few players, so, we should just see how many people want to join,.... at the same time people might want to wait for the reboot so they are not at a disadvantage so the two leagues might be a good way to weed out the people who are not going to stick it out for the long run. in which case could join the reboot season 4

[The Vision]

I really don't like where this is going...

[TMNT99]

As for weeding people out...

I've noticed those who hold up the draft end up being those who drop out.

So I'm gonna be very clear with the new players, if I find them holding things up during draft time, they'll be out before the pre-season. (I'll say it much more diplomatically than that)

[TMNT99]

I really don't like where this is going...

Worst case scenario, league 2 fails (I don't see that happening), and we all just jump in for league 1's reboot

[CaptainNifty]

Hi! New guy here. To help solve this contentious issue, perhaps you guys should ask people who are seriously interested in joining to post up, or contact someone specific so that there is a clear idea of how many people are interested, and if the league needs to split to accomadate.

Just two-from someone who has a team he wants to field.

[TMNT99]

Hi! New guy here. To help solve this contentious issue, perhaps you guys should ask people who are seriously interested in joining to post up, or contact someone specific so that there is a clear idea of how many people are interested, and if the league needs to split to accomadate.

Just two-from someone who has a team he wants to field.

They do, they all PM me, except you so far :p

[zakiszak]

He's outta here!:p

[TMNT99]

Including Captain Nifty, we have 10 players who have expressed interest

[zakiszak]

10 is really not that big an increase, especially assuming 2 or so will drop out (I'm looking at you Nifty!)

[TMNT99]

10 is really not that big an increase, especially assuming 2 or so will drop out (I'm looking at you Nifty!)

10 is a big increase knowing that they need 500 pt teams each, so we're talking 5000 pts worth of characters that are not taken.

[zakiszak]

Excited about Origins, going to buy my first brick tonight. So excited about a ton of figures 120 or so and under. The set looks to me to have a lot of 150-230 pt figures that I just don't think are worth their point cost or can stand up to their Supernova counterparts, but the under 100 pt set are so solid. And wonderful uniques, it's feels great to be excited about the uniques.


Shame about Wondergirl, just seems like a really bad design. Her full REV LE being so dependent on combat reflexes just seems like she'll drop out of the air like a rock. I haven't studied all the dials yet, I may be missing something

[WakandaMan]

This is actually a point for one last rule change.

A salary cap of about 800 pts.

Because it seems when you draft soooo many characters that you never end up using, you really just end up taking away viable team options for other players.

There are a couple teams that have soooooo many players, they never used several of them all season.

This is RIDICULOUS! I worked hard for my 1,000pts, with a lot of shrewd trading in the first season, and then always choosing to upgrade the characters who'll get the biggest point benefit. With good reason as well.

In a team like mine, Doom is going to be doing the most attacking and being attacked the most. This means there's a huge chance he'll be injured or even benched! So I needed to ensure I had a lot of back-up in case that ever happens. Super-Skrull was my primary insurance for that, but what if Doom was benched and then Kl'rt got Injured?

Another thing is this- with a Wildcard based team, it's best to get access to as many other TA's as possible so you can mix it up. That is why I have 19 figures. Note that the majority of them are under 30 pts. Of my 19, the only two that I haven't used are Klaw and Hydro Man. Hydro-Man I traded with Kazz and Kazz used him this season I believe. So the only character I'm sitting on is Klaw-a mediocre IC villian. How exactly is that going to break the league?

I don't see what the problem is with having an unlimited roster given the way that the draft works. I only get as many first round picks as anyone else (that would be one). And second round, and third..... basically all my excessive points means is that I get the pick of whats left over at the end. You know, the stuff that no one else wanted. The 'fodder' you could say. So what's the problem? If someone wants to run a Serpent Society team next season, I'm sure they'd be able to draft Sidewinder before I can get him back, and even if I do pick him first they can steal him from me without much trouble at all.

This chatter about point caps and roster caps seems completely uneccessary to me, and looks like it'll screw my team more than any other if it happens.

Incidentally, I have a plan for how to use my point advantage next season (which I earnt BTW). So consider yourselves warned now:

Anyone who is foolish enough to recruit a character with the MoD TA can expect it to be stolen from them. :classic: If you want a MoD figure for your team, you'll have to arrange for a trade with Doom.

That is all.

[zakiszak]

Good points Wakanda, about most of your drafts being made AFTER everyone else had chosen their teams.

Although you won't have steal rights to most of the Minions of Doom, since very few of them are in fact minions of Victor Von Doom (at least that is my impression of the TA)

[vicious x]

This is RIDICULOUS! I worked hard for my 1,000pts, with a lot of shrewd trading in the first season, and then always choosing to upgrade the characters who'll get the biggest point benefit. With good reason as well.

In a team like mine, Doom is going to be doing the most attacking and being attacked the most. This means there's a huge chance he'll be injured or even benched! So I needed to ensure I had a lot of back-up in case that ever happens. Super-Skrull was my primary insurance for that, but what if Doom was benched and then Kl'rt got Injured?

Another thing is this- with a Wildcard based team, it's best to get access to as many other TA's as possible so you can mix it up. That is why I have 19 figures. Note that the majority of them are under 30 pts. Of my 19, the only two that I haven't used are Klaw and Hydro Man. Hydro-Man I traded with Kazz and Kazz used him this season I believe. So the only character I'm sitting on is Klaw-a mediocre IC villian. How exactly is that going to break the league?

I don't see what the problem is with having an unlimited roster given the way that the draft works. I only get as many first round picks as anyone else (that would be one). And second round, and third..... basically all my excessive points means is that I get the pick of whats left over at the end. You know, the stuff that no one else wanted. The 'fodder' you could say. So what's the problem? If someone wants to run a Serpent Society team next season, I'm sure they'd be able to draft Sidewinder before I can get him back, and even if I do pick him first they can steal him from me without much trouble at all.

This chatter about point caps and roster caps seems completely uneccessary to me, and looks like it'll screw my team more than any other if it happens.

Incidentally, I have a plan for how to use my point advantage next season (which I earnt BTW). So consider yourselves warned now:

Anyone who is foolish enough to recruit a character with the MoD TA can expect it to be stolen from them. :classic: If you want a MoD figure for your team, you'll have to arrange for a trade with Doom.

That is all.

I agree you should keep all of your points and as many people that you want, if for some reason we get a midseason team to join that teams can protect up to ten characters so teams like yours would lose a figure or two but nothing back breaking,..... but it looks like everything is going to be fine if a second league is formed.

at the same time with 10 new people coming in we are losing 3 that would make a bump of 7 new teams,.... which I feel that we can still add to our one league. the only problem is that they might not want to join the league until season 4. but thats on them I am thinking about doing a one shot team for season 3 :)

[vicious x]

Good points Wakanda, about most of your drafts being made AFTER everyone else had chosen their teams.

Although you won't have steal rights to most of the Minions of Doom, since very few of them are in fact minions of Victor Von Doom (at least that is my impression of the TA)

I second that :noid: that 1000 points can buy you a lot of hurt :nervous: ummm no no doom can have anyone he wants :)

[The Vision]

This is RIDICULOUS! I worked hard for my 1,000pts, with a lot of shrewd trading in the first season, and then always choosing to upgrade the characters who'll get the biggest point benefit. With good reason as well.

In a team like mine, Doom is going to be doing the most attacking and being attacked the most. This means there's a huge chance he'll be injured or even benched! So I needed to ensure I had a lot of back-up in case that ever happens. Super-Skrull was my primary insurance for that, but what if Doom was benched and then Kl'rt got Injured?

Another thing is this- with a Wildcard based team, it's best to get access to as many other TA's as possible so you can mix it up. That is why I have 19 figures. Note that the majority of them are under 30 pts. Of my 19, the only two that I haven't used are Klaw and Hydro Man. Hydro-Man I traded with Kazz and Kazz used him this season I believe. So the only character I'm sitting on is Klaw-a mediocre IC villian. How exactly is that going to break the league?

I don't see what the problem is with having an unlimited roster given the way that the draft works. I only get as many first round picks as anyone else (that would be one). And second round, and third..... basically all my excessive points means is that I get the pick of whats left over at the end. You know, the stuff that no one else wanted. The 'fodder' you could say. So what's the problem? If someone wants to run a Serpent Society team next season, I'm sure they'd be able to draft Sidewinder before I can get him back, and even if I do pick him first they can steal him from me without much trouble at all.

This chatter about point caps and roster caps seems completely uneccessary to me, and looks like it'll screw my team more than any other if it happens.

Incidentally, I have a plan for how to use my point advantage next season (which I earnt BTW). So consider yourselves warned now:

Anyone who is foolish enough to recruit a character with the MoD TA can expect it to be stolen from them. :classic: If you want a MoD figure for your team, you'll have to arrange for a trade with Doom.

That is all.

Some good points. There probably are better ways than a cap to ensure that people have access to figs.

[tenketsu]

The reason I like the idea of the two leagues is because it's a compromise that should make everyone happy. We get to both reboot and not reboot at the same time, each according to their desires. And I really don't see either league failing, at worst one might get 'spacious' the way we were back in Season 1. As long as we have 1 or 2 people step up to assistant with managerial duties to cover the extra workload, I really do think it's a great idea.

In other news: I love Big Lots. I just got back with 2 copies of City of Villains at $6 each (sadly I pulled Black Scorpion and Manticore, but it was still a good deal!) and a Superman kite for $2. Big Lots rules!

In other other news, surely somebody here plays CoV, right? Gotta suggestion as to server? :laugh:

[tenketsu]

And, since we still seem to be worried about point/figure caps which I'm strongly against, it would also ensure plenty of figures for the player base so such things would be wholly unnecessary (or even more so, if you think they are already).

[The Vision]

Fine. I give.


I'm ready to start drafing for League II.

Turtle: What kind of a die roll do you want for drafting initiative??

[tenketsu]

I'm going to repeat myself on the question of team choice...

So, as I get more and more excited for Season 4's reboot, a question comes to mind. I know that, like last time, we're going to randomly get a 'draft' order for picking teams. But how does the initial 200 point core go, and when? It would really suck to, for instance, get Young Justice again and then find out that Robin, Superboy, Impulse, and Red Tornado were part of other people's cores and get stuck with hardly any team at all. Or to get the T-bolts with the sole intention of having fun with Zemo and Fixer, only to find out that the MoE picked them up.

I suggest that we choose our core at the same time we pick our team, and that those choices should be made public as soon as they're made so nobody gets stuck in a situation like that. It would be public by the time of the draft anyway, and I can't think of a single reason to keep it secret before then, either. We could have a thread just for it, and people could simply post it themselves as their turns came up, in order to reduce the work for Turtle.

[zakiszak]

Won't that slow team draft to a crawl, as anytime somebody's draft team already has one of their figures tagged by someone else, Turtle will have to wait to see if that player wants to switch to their 2nd place or soldier on with a smaller core?

[Jackofhearts2005]

so jackofhearts was right all of this time :)
:grin:
filler filler filler

[tenketsu]

Won't that slow team draft to a crawl, as anytime somebody's draft team already has one of their figures tagged by someone else, Turtle will have to wait to see if that player wants to switch to their 2nd place or soldier on with a smaller core?

Actually I'm not suggesting that Turtle have anything to do with the team draft besides posting the order in which it gets picked and making sure the figs claiming a discount qualify for that discount.

What I'm saying is each player should in order put into a thread for that purpose what team they're taking and their core. That way everyone can see what all is taken before they do their own.

[WakandaMan]

The 2 league's doesn't really seem neccessary to me. Here are some viable teams that aren't taken:

Squadron Supreme
Heroes for Hire
Skrulls
Kree
Shi'ar
Sinister Syndicate (as opposed to the S6)
Invincible
Marvel Knights
New Warriors
Excalibur
Arachnos
Moloids
Frightful Four
Batman Allies/Gotham Knights
Superman Allies
PD
Flash Rogues
Crossgen
HIVE
OMAC
Ult X-men
Champions
Midnight Sons
Birds of Prey
+ some other X-men teams

Some not so viable teams someone might want to try:

Suicide Squad
Rocket Red Brigade
Guardians fo the Galaxy
Top Cow
Crusade
Wrecking Crew
Multiple Men
Danger Girl
Kabuki
Starjammers
Serpent Society

Plus the retired teams:

Dark Judges
Secret Defender
Justice League Elite
Fantastic Four (616)
X-Factor
New Mutants
Freedom Phalanx

And that's just the ones I can think of. With only 14 people looking to get new teams (the newbies plus the 4 that retired their teams and are coming back) that's still a lot of options.

[The Vision]

I'm going to repeat myself on the question of team choice...

1) Roll for draft order.

2) First guy picks his team and his 200pts worth of figs.

3) This is posted.

4) Person 2, reviews what Person 1 did and makes his choice and team and his 200pts worth of figs.

5) This is posted.

5) Person three reviews what 1 and 2 have done...blah, blah

[WakandaMan]

Forgot Superman Enemies, which seems fairly viable to me, especially with the new generics rule.

[tenketsu]

1) Roll for draft order.

2) First guy picks his team and his 200pts worth of figs.

3) This is posted.

4) Person 2, reviews what Person 1 did and makes his choice and team and his 200pts worth of figs.

5) This is posted.

5) Person three reviews what 1 and 2 have done...blah, blah

Exactly what I'm suggesting, with the person posting it being the person picking.

[tenketsu]

And, WakandaMan, I agree that a second league isn't necessary--but I think it would be a good thing to have.

As kind of a counter-point though, the Batman Allies aren't very viable in my opinion with Batman, Nightwing, and Robin all on other teams and unstealable.

[The Vision]

The 2 league's doesn't really seem neccessary to me. Here are some viable teams that aren't taken:

Squadron Supreme
Heroes for Hire
Skrulls
Kree
Shi'ar
Sinister Syndicate (as opposed to the S6)
Invincible
Marvel Knights
New Warriors
Excalibur
Arachnos
Moloids
Frightful Four
Batman Allies/Gotham Knights
Superman Allies
PD
Flash Rogues
Crossgen
HIVE
OMAC
Ult X-men
Champions
Midnight Sons
Birds of Prey
+ some other X-men teams

Some not so viable teams someone might want to try:

Suicide Squad
Rocket Red Brigade
Guardians fo the Galaxy
Top Cow
Crusade
Wrecking Crew
Multiple Men
Danger Girl
Kabuki
Starjammers
Serpent Society

Plus the retired teams:

Dark Judges
Secret Defender
Justice League Elite
Fantastic Four (616)
X-Factor
New Mutants


Freedom Phalanx

And that's just the ones I can think of. With only 14 people looking to get new teams (the newbies plus the 4 that retired their teams and are coming back) that's still a lot of options.

the problem is that so many teams have claim on the same figure. Who gets Ghost Rider? Champions or Midnight Sons??

You listed 3 or 4 xteams who will want similar figures, plus the avengers want the Beast and the Champions want Iceman and Angel.

Lots of teams but limited #'s of figures.

[MSU]

Do we have a roster for who is staying and who is going then?

MSU - Staying in League 1

[WakandaMan]

Although you won't have steal rights to most of the Minions of Doom, since very few of them are in fact minions of Victor Von Doom (at least that is my impression of the TA)

Of course I should have steal rights, since it isn't really a team at all, but rather a catch-all for villians who work for whoever suits them. The only characters with the TA that I know actually worked with Doom are Doom-bot, Namor and Klaw.

I tried to get TMNT to allow me the rights to anyone who's a F4 villian, but he nerfed that, or even to those with a similar modus operandi to Doom (such as Diablo), or to Tasky (such as Deadpool), but no on that also. So it seems that my 'rights' are based solely on the TA, and not on actual comic instances.

If it is based on the comics, then I should have the right to Black Panther, since he's worked with Doom quite a few times (despite the fact that the recent issue of BP suggested that they hate each other. Ugh).

[The Vision]

Exactly what I'm suggesting, with the person posting it being the person picking.

Turtle maintains the list.

[JacinB]

Fine. I give.


I'm ready to start drafing for League II.

Turtle: What kind of a die roll do you want for drafting initiative??
Count me in.

Where do I send my draft initiative roll?

[MSU]

Never give the populace options...they never know what they want. The populace WANTS to be told what to do. I've said it before and I'll say it again...democracy doesn't work. :p

[vicious x]

The reason I like the idea of the two leagues is because it's a compromise that should make everyone happy. We get to both reboot and not reboot at the same time, each according to their desires. And I really don't see either league failing, at worst one might get 'spacious' the way we were back in Season 1. As long as we have 1 or 2 people step up to assistant with managerial duties to cover the extra workload, I really do think it's a great idea.

In other news: I love Big Lots. I just got back with 2 copies of City of Villains at $6 each (sadly I pulled Black Scorpion and Manticore, but it was still a good deal!) and a Superman kite for $2. Big Lots rules!

In other other news, surely somebody here plays CoV, right? Gotta suggestion as to server? :laugh:


I played City of Villians but I haven't played in a while. If you have paypal I'll buy one of the serial codes from you. You can keep the figure. As far as what server I am on... I'm not sure but I can figure that out soon enough.

[tenketsu]

Turtle maintains the list.

The problem with Turtle maintaining the list under the system I've devised is that it likely would, like zakiszak feared, slow drafting to a crawl. Of course, under the old system it would probably take about as long, just separated into two sections (team draft and then picking core) whereas this would just integrate them.

[zakiszak]

Of course I should have steal rights, since it isn't really a team at all, but rather a catch-all for villians who work for whoever suits them. The only characters with the TA that I know actually worked with Doom are Doom-bot, Namor and Klaw.


TMNT may have given you a specific team description of 'people with the Doom TA' that I am unaware of, but with all the other lineups we've seen in this league, no one just gets everyone from a TA with more than a handful of figures. Even TA's as small as Suicide Squad don't get the blanket treatment for Jacin B's Secret Six.

And the team name is MINIONS of Doom. You stay away from Panther.

[tenketsu]

Never give the populace options...they never know what they want. The populace WANTS to be told what to do. I've said it before and I'll say it again...democracy doesn't work. :p

In terms of what people need I totally agree, democracy is a ridiculous way to do things. In terms of what people want, I think it's acceptable, heh.

[The Vision]

The problem with Turtle maintaining the list under the system I've devised is that it likely would, like zakiszak feared, slow drafting to a crawl. Of course, under the old system it would probably take about as long, just separated into two sections (team draft and then picking core) whereas this would just integrate them.

Thats how we did it before. It took a day or two. But it was manageable...I mean we got the league going that way.

[tenketsu]

I played City of Villians but I haven't played in a while. If you have paypal I'll buy one of the serial codes from you. You can keep the figure. As far as what server I am on... I'm not sure but I can figure that out soon enough.

Well, I was going to use the other account for my girlfriend so we could do the free trial together. Maybe they've done like many aging MMORPGs and have a downloadable free trial available, though...

[tenketsu]

Thats how we did it before. It took a day or two. But it was manageable...I mean we got the league going that way.

I'm pretty sure the way we did it before was:

1) Everyone picks their team going by draft order

2) Everyone picks their core going by draft order.

What I'm suggesting is:

1) Everyone picks their team and core simultaneously going by draft order.

[JacinB]

Never give the populace options...they never know what they want. The populace WANTS to be told what to do. I've said it before and I'll say it again...democracy doesn't work. :p
I thought you guys gave that line of thinking up in November '06.

[WakandaMan]

the problem is that so many teams have claim on the same figure. Who gets Ghost Rider? Champions or Midnight Sons??

You listed 3 or 4 xteams who will want similar figures, plus the avengers want the Beast and the Champions want Iceman and Angel.

Lots of teams but limited #'s of figures.

Of course there is going to be some overlap. Isn't there always? Perhaps some of you have had it far too easy at drafting time with very little competition for your themey characters, and that's why theyre's all this talk of the reduced figure pool. Does anyone know how many figures there are in clix? I think it's kinda fun to have the draft options be more reduced.

As a wildcard team, drafting has been tough for me every season, since to make my team viable, I have to try and get characters with TAs that fit on other teams. It's not easy at all, but I appreciate it.


I listed 42 teams, and we only need 14.

As for your concerns about the X-men, they have more figures with their TA than any other team in the game (except maybe the JLA now with Origin). And we have what, one or two teams using that TA this season? There are boatloads more X-men teams that could be made. Sure, they'd have to compete with each other for characters like Wolverine and Nightcrawler, but that's the whole point isn't it?

[zakiszak]

I agree, competition to make our teams is part of the point of the league.

[zakiszak]

repeat;adfksadsfadsf

[Jackofhearts2005]

Viable X-teams that are almost completely separate:
X-Men Blue
X-Men Gold
X-Force/New Mutants
X-Factor (Havok edition, not the original 5)
Excaliber
Exiles (even if blink is the only x-ta figure being used)

[vicious x]

Of course there is going to be some overlap. Isn't there always? Perhaps some of you have had it far too easy at drafting time with very little competition for your themey characters, and that's why theyre's all this talk of the reduced figure pool. Does anyone know how many figures there are in clix? I think it's kinda fun to have the draft options be more reduced.

As a wildcard team, drafting has been tough for me every season, since to make my team viable, I have to try and get characters with TAs that fit on other teams. It's not easy at all, but I appreciate it.


I listed 42 teams, and we only need 14.

As for your concerns about the X-men, they have more figures with their TA than any other team in the game (except maybe the JLA now with Origin). And we have what, one or two teams using that TA this season? There are boatloads more X-men teams that could be made. Sure, they'd have to compete with each other for characters like Wolverine and Nightcrawler, but that's the whole point isn't it?

looking at the list those are teams not being used like I said there are plenty of teams out there,.... that Moliod team looks very tempting :cheeky: but I do agree, my only reasoning for having two leagues is 1) that I'm sure the new people would want to start on an equal level we are going to get mvp's (which I think hurt my team not having one :confused: ) and that we have a bunch of upgraded figures they would get killed and thats not fun. yes MSU had an all rookie team and went undefeated but I'm sure Wildcard abuse had nothing to do with it :laugh: 2) we can weed out people who don't have the time to commit :)

oh Wakanda, the team is all in the name you should have named yourself F4 Rouges :) picked up everyone on your list :)

[GreatArelius1]

Yea, I dont see the need for a 2nd league. There are plenty of options. Plus there is stealing and trading to help get your team. So team core is important; which I think should be unstealable. As for a speedier draft, a thread should be made and team pick and core should happen at once then to single draft picks the same way but opposite order.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Do I decide on an MVP or does Turtle?
And when does that happen?

[vicious x]

as far as the team draft goes you should give your top 5 teams with the 200pt core team with each one. :)

bc I would be soooo mad if I chose a batman family team and can't get batman

I would be my number one pick batman family with batman, robin, batgirl ect. but if batman is gone I want team number two.

[GreatArelius1]

MVP after your give TMNT your keepers

[GreatArelius1]

Thats the reason we make the thread and go in order, so everyone knows what teams are picked and who their core is. So you would know whats available before your core selections. TMNT can update the 1st page of draft thread with all picks, keep it all in one place

[MSU]

Ahem, to break in for a second...I would like everyone to lay witness to what just happened to the LoSH...

Not one injury (crit hit against B-5), not two injuries (Livewire crit missing on Plastic Man) but THREE INJURIES IN A ROW (Shadow Lass crit missing on Jesse Quick).

Did I happen to mention that Livewire and Shadow Lass pushed to do that?

If the LoSH are gonna bow out of this tournament, it is going to be bloodied and broken!!!!!!!! What a way to exit....

Come on...there has GOT to be an award or something...did I just set a record?

[VanceMadrox]

And to top it off I got through all his defenses and killed Chameleon

[WakandaMan]

TMNT may have given you a specific team description of 'people with the Doom TA' that I am unaware of, but with all the other lineups we've seen in this league, no one just gets everyone from a TA with more than a handful of figures. Even TA's as small as Suicide Squad don't get the blanket treatment for Jacin B's Secret Six.

And the team name is MINIONS of Doom. You stay away from Panther.

Yeah but Jacin's team is the "Secret Six", not the Suicide Squad. If he were the Suicide Squad instead then he should probably get the right to all members with that TA (unless some of the new members only have it as a substitute for the Secret 6, which I suspect is the case with Catman at least).

Originally, that's how they worked. For example X-men teams had rights to any figure with the X-men TA. The League has grown themier though, so many teams have been restricted by time period (such as the 60's avengers). But I've never had any such condition put on my Minions except for TA- which has been fairly restrictive up until Supernova, which actually gave me a few decent fairly inexpensive options with the TA thank you very much. So anyone who thinks they can nab a monkey out from under me will have a fight on their hands, and I most certainly should be able to steal them.

'Rights" to character is based on TA first and foremost, and then theme second. Obviously, no Avengers team should have the rights to Puck or Charcoal, since even though they have the TA, it's a substitute.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I disagree. It should be based on theme first and TA second.
I might be biased cause I barely have a TA, but most TAs encompass more than one team.

[WakandaMan]

oh Wakanda, the team is all in the name you should have named yourself F4 Rogues :) picked up everyone on your list :)

I was just thinking that. But "Minions of Doom" has such a better ring to it. :classic:

[GreatArelius1]

Yes, I believe its theme 1st, TA 2nd as teams can be based on era and there are some substitute TAs.

[WakandaMan]

I guess the problem is that MoD is so vague theme-wise that there's no basis for it other than TA.

In other newsm apparently Origins won't be available in Australia for another 2 weeks! :angry: In the past we've always had sets on release day, meaning we actually got them a little earlier due to the time difference.

TWO WEEKS!

[tenketsu]

Shame about Wondergirl, just seems like a really bad design. Her full REV LE being so dependent on combat reflexes just seems like she'll drop out of the air like a rock. I haven't studied all the dials yet, I may be missing something

Well, the full dial of CR on the Rookie means she meets the prereqs for some nice feats for her whole dial... Pummel, Heightened Reflexes, and Slippery. Pummel being the big winner here, especially for her Flurry clicks. I just don't like that it's not much like Cassie at all. And what the heck is up with 3 TT versions and only 1 YJ version, when she was on YJ for longer? Grah...

[JacinB]

I guess the problem is that MoD is so vague theme-wise that there's no basis for it other than TA.

In other newsm apparently Origins won't be available in Australia for another 2 weeks! :angry: In the past we've always had sets on release day, meaning we actually got them a little earlier due to the time difference.

TWO WEEKS!
Pardon me while I say: "Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!" :)

If it makes you feel any better, Diamond botched the distribution to a good portion of the U.S. of A. as well. We won't get ours until Friday, at the earliest. But, my shop should be getting all three of the cases they ordered.

[JacinB]

Yeah but Jacin's team is the "Secret Six", not the Suicide Squad. If he were the Suicide Squad instead then he should probably get the right to all members with that TA (unless some of the new members only have it as a substitute for the Secret 6, which I suspect is the case with Catman at least).
Yeah, for the most part (and I called it before WizKids did it), Suicide Squad is being used as the equivalent for a Secret Six team ability.

Deadshot, Catman, and Knockout all have it. Cheshire maybe should have, but she was made long before the 'Secret Six' were ever reborn in comics and she's cheap enough that she can be 'Mercenaried' to it while next to nearly any other member.

The problem is, Deadshot and Knockout were also both members of the Suicide Squad. So, if there were both Secret Six and Suicide Squad teams, who would have 'rights' to the characters?

[tenketsu]

Here's another possible team:

Flash Family

Jay
Barry
Wally
Bart
Jesse Quick

If only Wally wasn't the only one whose drive-by hurt more than Franklin's fist...

[MSU]

(looks around)

3 injuries in a row? Anyone? COME ON HERE!!! Make my defeat worthwhile or something!!!

[Stepper79]

opened my case no Chase fig :( no Vet Wondergirl otherwise have a full set plus many extras - very disappointed with the cards got way too many pogs not even all the feats or BFC

[tenketsu]

(looks around)

3 injuries in a row? Anyone? COME ON HERE!!! Make my defeat worthwhile or something!!!

Well, that sucks, and it sucks more for a playoff game... I think I've mentioned before that Tanis got 5 critical hits on me in the space of 7 attack rolls once, so I simultaneously feel your pain and have been the butt of worse, eheh.

[MSU]

Vance and I need a judge in our game for a point of clarification...it is DOWN TO THE WIRE...

[VanceMadrox]

Man I'll say!


I don't care if it's not over yet MSU, I'm repping you now!

This has been the most exciting game I've played in a looooonnnggg while.

[MSU]

I'll rep ya if I win....

:laugh:

[VanceMadrox]

You've still got a good shot even if the ruling goes in my favor.


Even if I lose I'm still happy.

I went from 2-4 last season to making the second round of the playoffs.


And if you win your next opponent will thank me for the injuries!





Btw are any of you up on Titans history at all?

I don't know it too well but I may need to specify an era of Titans and I wanan use the one with Kyle Rayner on it

[Peers]

Okay, I'm a bit late here... the good discussions all seem to happen between work and bedtime... but do we -really- need a second league? (That being side, if we do, I'll jump to there since I'm ditching my team for the next season).

Maybe we could just, I dunno... let you draft an 'alternate universe' version of an already-drafted character, but you have to pay 150% for it? Double the characters, still make drafting order important, etc.

[Kazzigum]

This is RIDICULOUS! I worked hard for my 1,000pts, with a lot of shrewd trading in the first season, and then always choosing to upgrade the characters who'll get the biggest point benefit. With good reason as well.

In a team like mine, Doom is going to be doing the most attacking and being attacked the most. This means there's a huge chance he'll be injured or even benched! So I needed to ensure I had a lot of back-up in case that ever happens. Super-Skrull was my primary insurance for that, but what if Doom was benched and then Kl'rt got Injured?

Another thing is this- with a Wildcard based team, it's best to get access to as many other TA's as possible so you can mix it up. That is why I have 19 figures. Note that the majority of them are under 30 pts. Of my 19, the only two that I haven't used are Klaw and Hydro Man. Hydro-Man I traded with Kazz and Kazz used him this season I believe. So the only character I'm sitting on is Klaw-a mediocre IC villian. How exactly is that going to break the league?

I don't see what the problem is with having an unlimited roster given the way that the draft works. I only get as many first round picks as anyone else (that would be one). And second round, and third..... basically all my excessive points means is that I get the pick of whats left over at the end. You know, the stuff that no one else wanted. The 'fodder' you could say. So what's the problem? If someone wants to run a Serpent Society team next season, I'm sure they'd be able to draft Sidewinder before I can get him back, and even if I do pick him first they can steal him from me without much trouble at all.

This chatter about point caps and roster caps seems completely uneccessary to me, and looks like it'll screw my team more than any other if it happens.

Incidentally, I have a plan for how to use my point advantage next season (which I earnt BTW). So consider yourselves warned now:

Anyone who is foolish enough to recruit a character with the MoD TA can expect it to be stolen from them. :classic: If you want a MoD figure for your team, you'll have to arrange for a trade with Doom.

That is all.

As the guy with the second biggest team, I know how this is gonna sound, but ... I gotta agree with Wakanda here. What is the big deal wih us having big teams? As Wkanda points out, it really came down to just me and him drafting what was left at the end -- guys nobody wanted anyway. If we add teams to the league, I'm sure it will be the same deal. If Wkanda and I want big teams again, we'll just need to draft from the even-more depleted 'what's left.'

I'm not a wild card team like Wakanda, but my team is all about Spidey's villians, who are by and large a bunch of cheap guys. My core is those villians who were actually Sinister Six members (8-9 guys), and I have the rest for either injury subs or to field my alternate Green Goblin team to change it up (those canny among you might have noticed that Green Goblin has only taken the field with the Sinister Six once, when it fit my story).

So I say ''Boo'' to roster limits. Limit the number of players to the league if you must, but leave us our dregs.

Also, I think we should stop all this talk of second or third leagues. This leage is cool becuase of ALL of us in it. Don't split us up. If there are others who want in, well, that's fine. They SHOULD want in. We REALLY have SOMETHING going on here and others should stand up and take notice. We're the cool guys and it's an exclusive club. Besides, each new set WizKids puts out increases the amount of teams we can expand to a small amout -- I like that small growth.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw are any of you up on Titans history at all?

I don't know it too well but I may need to specify an era of Titans and I wanan use the one with Kyle Rayner on it
I'm your man for that job. :grin:

Lets see, he was a titan for only like a year. Arsenal led the Team at the time and Donna Troy was on it as well (dating Kyle). Let me get back to you in a bit with other team members at the time.

Edit: The other members were Supergirl, Damage, Mirage, Terra II (who is Terra I as it turns out), Minion, Impulse and Rose Wilson (Ravager).

[VanceMadrox]

Bed time now but thanks!

[Kazzigum]

(looks around)

3 injuries in a row? Anyone? COME ON HERE!!! Make my defeat worthwhile or something!!!


Go back and read my Game 5. The Sinister Six have you beat. Two of my crits came back-to-back and we needed 3s to hit on both! Incidently, that game perhaps cost me the play-offs, as it put Sandman, Kraven (whom I would have upgraded to Vet for game 6) and Doctor Octopus on the sideines for Game 6. Man, that last game would have been sooooo different....

[Thawmus]

I guess the problem is that MoD is so vague theme-wise that there's no basis for it other than TA.
You're not alone.

[da-Craig-O]

opened my case no Chase fig :( no Vet Wondergirl otherwise have a full set plus many extras - very disappointed with the cards got way too many pogs not even all the feats or BFC

Not a single Vet rare for me. Also, I got all Feat cards in my brick. I got 7 Dissents.

As for the ton of talk about new players and second leagues. I would think that we can handle the 10 new players (it will probably end up as 8 new people). We can seriously look at splitting into two leagues for the reboot. That way, both leagues are in step, for purposes of the Super-Dooper Bowl. ;)

As for more team ideas, we can easily have a second JSA team as well as a second Legion team. Also, even though all of Origin is not in Battleplanner yet, Batman Enemies has more figures than ANY DC team ability. Yes, that includes JLA. Sorry Thawmus, but I think there could even be another viable Bat Enemy team.

[zakiszak]

Go back and read my Game 5. The Sinister Six have you beat. Two of my crits came back-to-back and we needed 3s to hit on both! Incidently, that game perhaps cost me the play-offs, as it put Sandman, Kraven (whom I would have upgraded to Vet for game 6) and Doctor Octopus on the sideines for Game 6. Man, that last game would have been sooooo different....

I remember feeling genuinely bad about that one. I had been watching your game 5, giving a little prayer to see Dr. Octopus injured after the first half of the match was injury free. Then all of a sudden the Doc got injured, followed by a car wreck of friends. I felt a tiny bit guilty.

It was a great match though, and your subs did great, even Stilt-Man proved pivotal in the beginning and end. But man o man, I'm glad you didn't have the double outwit of Kraven & Mysterio.


Besides Kazzi, we both knwo that match was decided by a misplaced Mysterio, not injuries:classic:

[zakiszak]

Bought my first brick today, did allright. Uniques pulled were Starman, Negative Woman, Stripe, none of whom I was really after, but in the nons I pulled

-Rookie miracle man
-Vet miracle man
-Rookie wildcat (one of the best figures ever for the points)
-Vet Blackhawk x2 (love him)
-Vet Hawkman x2
-E Mirror Master
-R Supergirl
-E Supergirl
-R Shazam
-E Shazam
-E Martian Manhunter
-V Question

and others. Traded for Sandman and U Mr. Mind. Still after more, especially Batman, Superman, some nons. Pretty happy though.

[zakiszak]

And I think there's also space for another Avengers team. But seriously, X-men alone could nearly supply 4 teams.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hows the Flash Rogues idea coming along?
I just got done reading Rogues War.

But you can't have Zoom. He said it himself.
"I hate Rogues." ;)

[Kazzigum]

I remember feeling genuinely bad about that one. I had been watching your game 5, giving a little prayer to see Dr. Octopus injured after the first half of the match was injury free. Then all of a sudden the Doc got injured, followed by a car wreck of friends. I felt a tiny bit guilty.

It was a great match though, and your subs did great, even Stilt-Man proved pivotal in the beginning and end. But man o man, I'm glad you didn't have the double outwit of Kraven & Mysterio.


Besides Kazzi, we both knwo that match was decided by a misplaced Mysterio, not injuries:classic:

Too true. It WAS a great match. :cool: I've had some real good ones this season. Man, I kicked myself for a week about that Mysterio placment blunder. Still, I was real proud of how we did. 3-3, and just missing that 4-2 and maybe play-offs was pretty good given our showing last season and the fact that we went 0-2 to start this season.

My guys are just now coming into their best versions, so I think we ought to be truly menacing for season 3.

[Kazzigum]

It's funny, I've been talking what new team I want to try for the reboot wth my brother, and the three I've decided upon have not even been mentioned yet -- all Marvel and not currently being played.

Ha!

:laugh:

[Tanis11]

After reading all these comments, I think we really opened up a can of worms AND Pandora's box with the talk of capping and two leagues. I think we can keep it in one league and make due with no figure caps cuz the two people it would affect the most gave pretty good arguments. And we should just reboot during Season 4 like we were going to initially. If the new people feel like it'll be unfair if they jump in now with the veterans, they can just wait till season 4.

[da-Craig-O]

Hows the Flash Rogues idea coming along?
I just got done reading Rogues War.

But you can't have Zoom. He said it himself.
"I hate Rogues." ;)

It's actually a friend of mine that is planning on Flash Rogues. He is one of the 10 that PMed Turtle. We were talking today that he could always use Johnny Quick for a proxy of Zoom. I know that Zoom isn't a traditional Rogue, but he IS a Flash villian.

I'm leaving his choices up to him though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's actually a friend of mine that is planning on Flash Rogues. He is one of the 10 that PMed Turtle. We were talking today that he could always use Johnny Quick for a proxy of Zoom. I know that Zoom isn't a traditional Rogue, but he IS a Flash villian.

I'm leaving his choices up to him though.
He hates them I tell you! :angry:

And hes not really a villian per se. He only wants to help. :surprised

[WakandaMan]

Pardon me while I say: "Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!" :)

If it makes you feel any better, Diamond botched the distribution to a good portion of the U.S. of A. as well. We won't get ours until Friday, at the earliest. But, my shop should be getting all three of the cases they ordered.

Ooooh I feel absolutely terrible for you. Friday!? You poor things. :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]

Well it's kinda good for me this week, since I'm flat broke at the moment anyway.

But next week, once payday hits.....I'm gonna be really peeved.

[WakandaMan]

After reading all these comments, I think we really opened up a can of worms AND Pandora's box with the talk of capping and two leagues. I think we can keep it in one league and make due with no figure caps cuz the two people it would affect the most gave pretty good arguments. And we should just reboot during Season 4 like we were going to initially. If the new people feel like it'll be unfair if they jump in now with the veterans, they can just wait till season 4.

Whole-heartedly agree! :classic:

[Thawmus]

After reading all these comments, I think we really opened up a can of worms AND Pandora's box with the talk of capping and two leagues. I think we can keep it in one league and make due with no figure caps cuz the two people it would affect the most gave pretty good arguments. And we should just reboot during Season 4 like we were going to initially. If the new people feel like it'll be unfair if they jump in now with the veterans, they can just wait till season 4.

Yeah, when I was talking about having two leagues, I really was thinking along the lines of, "Hey, maybe 7 months from now, when season 3 is over, we'll have so many people wanting to play, that we should split into two leagues."

But starting another league JUST so people can have a reboot? I'm not up for that. There are a lot of people here that I like playing with, and I'd much rather that they all be in the same league as me.

Chances are, despite how much I dislike my team and where it's headed, that I'd stick around just to see what I can do with a final season for the BE squad.

[MSU]

As for more team ideas, we can easily have a second JSA team as well as a second Legion team.

You DO realize that the Legion is stretched thin right now? I know we are getting three new characters in Origins and 2 weren't drafted in this season, but that HARDLY makes for a second team since the starter will not be coming out until mid season for season 3. My last game was my ENTIRE TEAM (minus wildfire). So stop throwing ideas out there Indy....go back to hiding in stealth with BCF...:p

[tenketsu]

Well, I guess I don't see having a second league as splitting us up much more than we are already, as long as we keep one central discussion thread. The Marvel and DC divisions are already pretty separate mechanically, it's this thread that fosters the community feel, which I also wouldn't want to lose.

[rouge2]

Bought my first brick today, did allright. Uniques pulled were Starman, Negative Woman, Stripe, none of whom I was really after, but in the nons I pulled

-Rookie miracle man
-Vet miracle man
-Rookie wildcat (one of the best figures ever for the points)
-Vet Blackhawk x2 (love him)
-Vet Hawkman x2
-E Mirror Master
-R Supergirl
-E Supergirl
-R Shazam
-E Shazam
-E Martian Manhunter
-V Question

and others. Traded for Sandman and U Mr. Mind. Still after more, especially Batman, Superman, some nons. Pretty happy though.

I did pretty good for a brick althought the card collation stinks, I got a total of 4 cards in the whole brick, all of them feats (do i need 4 Compels)?

Pulled 2 V Supergirls
V Martian Manhunter
E Sentinel
V Steel
V Mr. Miracle
RE Shazam!
Mr. Mind
Vandal Savage
Negative Woman
& Blue Beetle
(Plus the usual assortment of lower tier folk)

No Mon-els, Hawkmen, or Cyborg Supermen, but still not a bad haul.

[Stepper79]

out my my case

12 Dane Dorrances
8 Amanda Wallers
7 Legionarries

[zakiszak]

Yeah, I have a little collection of Sarge Steels. I'm going to have to trade for thwart, dissent, coordinate, compel, mercenary, and more. Hmmmm, I wonder if I could trade my Alt-ff card (which I never use) for the lot

[Stepper79]

is Nathaniel Richards all that?? I have someone asking 2 origin uniques for him??

[CurBludgeon]

is Nathaniel Richards all that?? I have someone asking 2 origin uniques for him??

Haven't checked his prices on ebay recently, but he's one of the more popular LEs from SN, so 2 Origin Us, considering that Us these days fall to around the $5-8 range, seems fair.

[JacinB]

I'm not saying that I don't love playing in this group, because I do. But, just the same, the League is getting large enough that what people can do, or might want to do, with any given team can be extraordinarily limited due to the number of key figures available.

I can't see that it would 'harm' the League to split into two seperate groups. All it would do is free up more characters and make more viable teams for more players and allow more people to get invovled.

Those wanting to reboot now could do it. Those wanting to play one more season with their current teams could do it.

I can't see any way that it's not win-win.

[da-Craig-O]

go back to hiding in stealth

Hello pot...I'm the kettle. :laugh:


In regard to the Legion specifically, I'm thinking more in terms of after the reboot. Even then, it would be in a less specific "thematic" way. Sort of like Vance was saying that this league was started for competetive purposes. You could easily have two teams with a Legion core that has other characters fleshing out the roster.

[The Vision]

After reading all these comments, I think we really opened up a can of worms AND Pandora's box with the talk of capping and two leagues. I think we can keep it in one league and make due with no figure caps cuz the two people it would affect the most gave pretty good arguments. And we should just reboot during Season 4 like we were going to initially. If the new people feel like it'll be unfair if they jump in now with the veterans, they can just wait till season 4.

This was my inital response, and really is the way that I would like it to go.

But if not, put me in the new league or reboot now.

[Peers]

Here's a suggestion... not two leagues... two conferenced. Call them 'East' and 'West' if you want. Both have their own drafts, their own character pools, etc (IE, there can be one Superman drafted on East, and one drafted on West, etc).

Week 4, 'Grudge Week', is replaced by 'Crisis Week', where you face the team with the closest theme to yours in the other conference.

And just to keep things interesting, yes, each conference would 'reboot' at different times... just to test the whole 'rookie team vs vet team' theory. Each conference has it's own playoffs for each universe, and then DC West plays DC East, Marvel West plays Marvel East, and then Fantasy Bowl from there. Maybe give the winning conference an advantage during Crisis Week or something.

[MSU]

I love the idea of CRISIS week!!!

(week 3 can be grudge week, week 4 can be crisis week)

[The Vision]

I wanna be in the West.

[JacinB]

Here's a suggestion... not two leagues... two conferenced. Call them 'East' and 'West' if you want. Both have their own drafts, their own character pools, etc (IE, there can be one Superman drafted on East, and one drafted on West, etc).

Week 4, 'Grudge Week', is replaced by 'Crisis Week', where you face the team with the closest theme to yours in the other conference.

And just to keep things interesting, yes, each conference would 'reboot' at different times... just to test the whole 'rookie team vs vet team' theory. Each conference has it's own playoffs for each universe, and then DC West plays DC East, Marvel West plays Marvel East, and then Fantasy Bowl from there. Maybe give the winning conference an advantage during Crisis Week or something.
Brilliant!

[zakiszak]

As was said, there's not enough Legionairre's for two 100% Legion teams (and since it's a wildcard team, who on earth would want that?), but with 13 members (quick count, not sure) there's enough for two core teams plus buddies.

Additionally, Legion is maybe the best team in the game for subs, with 50+ members to choose subs for. Legion ain't Legion without bouncing boy.

[Peers]

Additionally, Legion is maybe the best team in the game for subs, with 50+ members to choose subs for. Legion ain't Legion without bouncing boy.

Yeah! Speedball would make an excellent sub for...

...

nevermind.

[zakiszak]

Some fun new REV differences for us to debate on in Origins.

-Will the REV Blackhawks be treated as 3 separate draftable figures? I know I wouldn't mind having a Vet.
-Can MSU field 3 triplicate girls?
-Hawkman, who the hell is this guy (my vote is EVERY hawkman but the KC hawkman is the same dude)
-Do the M'onel figures cover multiple continuities?
-The Ray, is one of them the new internation playboy villain?

[zakiszak]

Ooooh, in all the talk of potential new teams, don't forget the greatest new team of all:


Marvel Zombies

[zakiszak]

Tough ruling in the Legion/Titans match, but I agree with it.

I completely believe that Vance intended to make a range combat attack, but in my mind the attack is not what you intended, but what you stated. Sadly, the roll Vance stated he was making applied only to a close combat attack. The roll description is more than an afterthought, it IS the action.

[GreatArelius1]

I say Triplicate girl is on the line of Multiple man, but limited to 3.

[Jpuffy]

Do any of you guys know how much a LE Tim Drake is worth? I like to know the value of a figure before I make a trade but I can't seem to find a completed auction on ebay.

[CurBludgeon]

It's been a while since I've traded for one, but there wasn't anything particular about that fig that made it high in demand. I'd be surprised if someone wanted a lot more than $5ish for it.

[Jpuffy]

It's been a while since I've traded for one, but there wasn't anything particular about that fig that made it high in demand. I'd be surprised if someone wanted a lot more than $5ish for it.

Yeah thats what I thought his value was, however I didn't want to commit to a trade and then find out I had a $30 or more figure I traded for REV Origin stuff:p

[Peers]

Some fun new REV differences for us to debate on in Origins.

-Will the REV Blackhawks be treated as 3 separate draftable figures? I know I wouldn't mind having a Vet.
-Can MSU field 3 triplicate girls?
-Hawkman, who the hell is this guy (my vote is EVERY hawkman but the KC hawkman is the same dude)
-Do the M'onel figures cover multiple continuities?
-The Ray, is one of them the new internation playboy villain?

--Blackhawks should be generics. They're not 'Blackhawk' they're 'Blackhawks' on the base, implying multiples.

--Trip girl: I would say Trip Girl falls under the generic rules, with a limit of three. Now, does MSU -have- to draft three of them?

--There is only one Hawkman now. Trust me, it's easier that way.

--M'Onel... um... gah. I... guess so?

--No, I believe all the Rays are the good-guy Ray. Villain-Ray would have a different sculpt.

[Tanis11]

The only thing with Triplicate Girl is that her powers kinda show multiple people on one dial...what with the Flurry and the Willpower...kinda like Wendy and Marvin and Siamese having Flurry to indicate two people.

[zakiszak]

Yeah, triplicate girl is awkward. Her base isn't quite just one person, but also doesn't quite feel like 3.

The blackhawks should probably be treated as the same generic dude, although they have 3 different sculpts.


I'll be putting up a trade thread soon, but I have a V Hawkman up for trade. Is he looked at as a valuable V, like Captain America/Iron Man? I noticed that uniques seemed a bit rarer this time around, maybe they upped the V's.

[rouge2]

-Do the M'onel figures cover multiple continuities?

Mon-el is definitely either Pre-Crisis, or the "current" version. They are the only two to use that name.

M'onel is definitely the "reboot" (i.e Post-Zero Hour) Version of the character, as he's the only one to use THAT name.

Valor is trickier.

Valor was the name Lar Gand used in the Post Crisis "Modern Day" DCU (notably when he was in L.E.G.I.O.N). Zero Hour messed this guy up. Before Zero Hour he went into the Phantom Zone and then was rescued by the Post-Crisis Legion and joined the team as Valor. After Zero Hour he went into the Stasis Zone and then was rescued by the Post-Zero Hour Legion and joined that team as M'onel.

So you could argue that Valor is either in the same progression as M'onel or is a different character from the prior continuity.

Let this be a lesson to never mess with time travel.

[zakiszak]

Ha ha ha ha ha

[vicious x]

so is it official, NO CAPS :) and no second league??? there are lets say 11 people who want to join, we loss 3 so a gain of 8 thats not much for a second league, and we never know if the new teams will stick. there are plenty of teams out there,.... some teams that can be competitive this season,.... CSA, INHUMANS, SENTINELS, Supreme Power, we now have no X-Men team but a few of them were used so they are upgraded,..... and yes we can always use the alternative version of a character to have a team set ie wolverine,.... DOFP, 616, ULT, ZOMBIE, if two teams of x-men came out the each will end up with one.

there are team options and characters..... lets keep everything the same :)

[Jpuffy]

I know I mentioned this a few pages ago, but any of you guys that have extra Origin that your looking to trade should check out my trade thread. I don't plan on buying any packs this time around unless I head to a marquee.

I've narrowed it down to 31 REV figures that I want from this set and 3 uniques. Let me know soon I'm already working on a few trade deals.

[zakiszak]

Oh yeah, also space for Ultimate X-men.

That's it, new league just for the muties.

[doobie711]

Some idiot gave me negative trade feedback. About 2 months ago i was trying to sell some figures on here, and she bought like $12 worth of nons. I box it up for her and wrap each figure for her in a paper towel and put pending next to the items on my sale list so noone else will try and buy the figures she wants. Two months later and I still didn't have the money she owed me. She emailed me saying they were having money problems but this was after i'd already boxed everything up and a month after she was supposed to send me payment. So I give her negative feedback to warn other traders/sellers and then she gives me negative feedback. But I didn't do anything wrong. Idiot!

[Stepper79]

Some idiot gave me negative trade feedback. About 2 months ago i was trying to sell some figures on here, and she bought like $12 worth of nons. I box it up for her and wrap each figure for her in a paper towel and put pending next to the items on my sale list so noone else will try and buy the figures she wants. Two months later and I still didn't have the money she owed me. She emailed me saying they were having money problems but this was after i'd already boxed everything up and a month after she was supposed to send me payment. So I give her negative feedback to warn other traders/sellers and then she gives me negative feedback. But I didn't do anything wrong. Idiot!


PM Rock and let him know he should be able to resolve it/fix it

[CurBludgeon]

Some idiot gave me negative trade feedback. About 2 months ago i was trying to sell some figures on here, and she bought like $12 worth of nons. I box it up for her and wrap each figure for her in a paper towel and put pending next to the items on my sale list so noone else will try and buy the figures she wants. Two months later and I still didn't have the money she owed me. She emailed me saying they were having money problems but this was after i'd already boxed everything up and a month after she was supposed to send me payment. So I give her negative feedback to warn other traders/sellers and then she gives me negative feedback. But I didn't do anything wrong. Idiot!

Bring it up to Rock810. He'll probably remove the negative on your rep and deal with the offending party. Retaliatory negative feedback goes against forum rules, I believe.

[tenketsu]

There have been 2 'real' Hawkmen, Carter Hall (the JSA guy) and Katar Hol (the Thanagarian). There have also been two imposters. Unlike Hawkgirl, however, (of which there have also been 2, and a Hawkwoman), there is nothing at all to indicate that any of the clix figures aren't Carter.

[MSU]

ooh ooh...I would love to field Three Triplicate Girls!!! I think I would recruit three rookies and then could upgrade under the proposed generic rule.

By the way...I am ALL UP for a East vs. West League if we have enough.

[vicious x]

Yeah, triplicate girl is awkward. Her base isn't quite just one person, but also doesn't quite feel like 3.

The blackhawks should probably be treated as the same generic dude, although they have 3 different sculpts.


I'll be putting up a trade thread soon, but I have a V Hawkman up for trade. Is he looked at as a valuable V, like Captain America/Iron Man? I noticed that uniques seemed a bit rarer this time around, maybe they upped the V's.

I see the blackhawks like the kree from sn they are different but they are generics,.... as far as triplicate girl should be the same just max out at three

[JacinB]

I'll go to the DC West League. Where do we sign up?

[vicious x]

east vs west? we already have it its call dc vs marvel,.... anything else is two leagues,... i really don't see an increase of 8 teams as a need for two leagues

[TMNT99]

Won't having a "Crisis Week" by an easy win for those teams that are on their third season compared to those on their first?

Remember, at the end of Season 1, there were teams who hadn't upgraded once yet

[MSU]

EDIT - at no more at a disadvantage then the newbies were against the returning players after the mid-season game.

[JacinB]

Won't having a "Crisis Week" by an easy win for those teams that are on their third season compared to those on their first?
I believe, in sports, that is referred to as a 'rebuilding year'. And, while it might be a disadvantage, it will just make the victories all the sweeter when we get them (and, seriously, we will).

[CurBludgeon]

I believe, in sports, that is referred to as a 'rebuilding year'.

Or in the parlance of Warriors' fans, "every year."

[vicious x]

Or in the parlance of Warriors' fans, "every year."

you mean the chicago cubs