I got blasted... I want revenge...

[tak]

I got got owned today twice against the same guy... with two different teams... we played 400 pt without feats or bfc
I know I didn't play well... in fact I know I played very bad...:p

I played with this team

e black adam
v hawkeye UL
e songbird
v psylocke AW
r mandroid armor
e easy company medic
e deo agent

total 400

I patheticly lost psylocke when I throw her into close combat but without placing her in hindering... and she got blasted by black lighting... then I placed black adam in the middle of a roof... thinking he was safe... but he had his impervious outwitted by bats and damaged by FF hawkeye from range... my hawkeye could make some damage but didn't kill anybody... and songbird had the E/Sd outwitted and blasted too when she was alone in tyhe middle of the board...
I think I played very very bad... but I don't know if my team was good and it's was my fault or if my team was bad too... what do you think?

one thing I will try to do it's not move into battle before him... because I give away my figs and he can attack me first... and always try to defende my figs not leaving them by themselves alone in the middle of the board...
I thought of this team to go next week and get my revenge...

v starfire IC 96 ( could go with v blackfire and ad a e deo agen... but she doesn't fly)
v hawkeye UL 73
v psylocke AW 75
r joker IC 78
r lockjaw 24
r mandroid armor 28
e easy company medic 16 ( or e science police for the PD abilitie)
r easy company medic 9
pog lian harper 1

total 400

what do you think? is this any good? any advices on how to play?
thanks!

[Dr. Briefcase]

The important question here is have you played much? If not, practice will make you better. If you go to a tournament and think your going to win against experienced players, you need a reality check. Having played for years, I can certainly attest to the fact that nothing can make up for experience. Not vet Icons Supes, not LAMP, not anything.

Truthfully, your team is quite capable. Black Adam, Songbird, Hawkeye, Mandroid, DEO, and EZ Medic are all quality tournament pieces. Psylocke is the weakest on that team, but hardly a team breaker. You would probably do best sticking with a single team for awhile to develop your own strategy and style of play. The team doesn't have to stay static mind you, but it might be easier if you learn the intricacies of a few pieces than try to master them all at once. I'm not saying you shouldn't change out pieces, but you would learn better by only switching out a couple of pieces than using and entirely different team. If you find the style of play that your team causes you adopt doesn't suit you, then I would make a complete overhaul of the team.

Dr. Briefcase

[Rurouni KJS]

I patheticly lost psylocke when I throw her into close combat but without placing her in hindering... and she got blasted by black lighting... then I placed black adam in the middle of a roof... thinking he was safe... but he had his impervious outwitted by bats and damaged by FF hawkeye from range... my hawkeye could make some damage but didn't kill anybody... and songbird had the E/Sd outwitted and blasted too when she was alone in tyhe middle of the board...
I think I played very very bad... but I don't know if my team was good and it's was my fault or if my team was bad too... what do you think?

one thing I will try to do it's not move into battle before him... because I give away my figs and he can attack me first... and always try to defende my figs not leaving them by themselves alone in the middle of the board...


I kinda like your first team better, but the new one's not bad. This one comes down to strategy. Seems like you're learning from mistakes. V Psylocke should always attack from Stealth. If Black Adam is "safe" on a roof, he's even safer in Soaring mode (protecting him from that Outwit, most likely). Hawkeye need not KO, just weaken the enemy. He needs mobility for that. He's also fragile; I much prefer the V FF Hawkeye over him.

Main thing to ask yourself before making any move: "If I was playing that team over there, what could I do to me if I do/don't do this move?" That'll save you a lot of damage-taking.

[tak]

nope... I have no experience... I have been playiing this game for about 3 weeks now... I know I played very very bad... but I'n not sad or enraged... I only know that I will get better with the experience as you say... and is very helpfull to hear that this team is competitive enough... I will follow your advice and I will keep this team... with a few variations... I can pull psylocke out... and throw ambush bug and dr mid nite... or I can put either r batman from icons or r joker from icons and a pog down downgrading the medic to rookie... I have options... but just can decide... I like psylocke... but I can't figure it ut if I played her badly or she is not as good as I thought
thans for the alwais usefull advices!

[tak]

I kinda like your first team better, but the new one's not bad. This one comes down to strategy. Seems like you're learning from mistakes. V Psylocke should always attack from Stealth. If Black Adam is "safe" on a roof, he's even safer in Soaring mode (protecting him from that Outwit, most likely). Hawkeye need not KO, just weaken the enemy. He needs mobility for that. He's also fragile; I much prefer the V FF Hawkeye over him.

Main thing to ask yourself before making any move: "If I was playing that team over there, what could I do to me if I do/don't do this move?" That'll save you a lot of damage-taking.

yep... I think I did learn a lot today... mostly from my mistakes... I believe I have to think more every move I make... not to let my figures alone... and always position them according to their powers...
I usually worry too much about superman ally/ultimates... and I underestimate stealth a lot... but if I can take the ultimate fig on the other team... my stealthers will rule... doesn't they?
thanks a lot!

[xXHushXx]

Psylocke is the weakest on that team, but hardly a team breaker.

I beg to differ. Slap Stunning Blow on her, and she's a beast.

[Vevilaughs]

I played with this team

e black adam 123
v hawkeye UL 73
e songbird 67
v psylocke AW 75
r mandroid armor 28
e easy company medic 16
e deo agent 18

total 400

Lets look at this team. E Black Adam is a good piece with the JSA ability, but you are not playing another JSA piece for him to share defence with.

V Hawkeye is a good piece, but you aren't playing any wildcard pieces to copy the TA.

E Songbird is good for what she does, but if you are not using her as an attacker, drop her to the rookie. And you may want to look into getting a Thunderbolt card to change her TA. But since you are using no cards, lets see if we can save some pts here.

V Psylocke is an awesome piece. but the X-men TA needs two pieces to work.

e easy company medic
e deo agent
both good pieces for what they do. Though I think you would get more milleage out of a paramedic instead of the Easy Company Medic.

This would be my team
Vet Black Adam 150
Vet Psylocke 75
E Hawkeye Ultimates 60
E Blink 52 or R Polaris 50
V Paramedic 12
E DEP Agent 18
R Mandriod Armor 28

395 or 393 depending on your TKer. E Blink has SS to save her, while R Polaris is a flyer and can help with mobility.

I upgraded Black Adam. Why pay for a TA you are not going to use. Give him more life and more power.

I downgraded Hawkeye. The E has the same amount of life as the V. You lose a pt of damage, a pt of AV and a target, but you also have Perplex and the PD TA on your team. And besides, without AP, while Hawkeye is in RCE mode, he should only be looking for 1 target to do maximum damage.

i went with the Paramedic because she has 3 clicks of support and you may need it.

With your 5 extra pts, I would play a couple of pogs. they are great for blocking line of sight. Black Adam should always be carrying a character or a pog with him. If he attacks someone that is by hindering terrain, he should have Psylocke with him and end his turn with Psycloke next to the attacker (so he/she is tied up) and hopefully in a position to block Outwit.

If no hindering is available, then carry a pog and tie up the piece that way. No matter what you do, you will cause him to use up an action to get rid of the pog.


I would like to comment on your other team, but I have to hop into the shower and get to a barbeque. Good luck and stay with it!

[Vevilaughs]

I beg to differ. Slap Stunning Blow on her, and she's a beast.

Doesn't matter, no cards.

[Kylun]

Sounds to me like your big problem here is batman and his pesky outwit. There's lots of ways to deal with this (fortitude, white noise, Injustice League, trickshot his stealth, pulse wave him, TK someone to smack him, HSS, etc...) BUT, If you're looking to try something new, that even experienced players may not know how to deal with. Then I'd suggest barrier.

Why?
- It completley blocks line of sight, and thereby line-of-outwit =) protecting your piece that you moved up for the awesome strike you plan to do NEXT turn.
- On an indoor map it can totally slow your opponent down, AND keep the bulk of their team right where you want them. (remember on outdoor they can fly/leap over it but on an indoor you cannot).
- It's perfect outwit bait for experienced players. So they want to make an awesome critical strike? They'll need to either a) blast through the barrier (and waste an action of a capable attacker), or move bats even closer to shut off the barrier (because you placed your barrier guy as far back as you could), then you close the trap and take out the dark knight now that he's the one that moved up.

It takes practice to use this right, just watch your lines of sight/fire and block as many as possible.

[xXHushXx]

Doesn't matter, no cards.

I was saying in general....even feat-less she's still pretty good.

Thanks for pointing out my blindness though! :p

[scholarx]

I played with this team:
e black adam
v hawkeye UL
e songbird
v psylocke AW
r mandroid armor
e easy company medic
e deo agent
total 400

I pathetically lost psylocke when I threw her into close combat without placing her in hindering... and she got blasted by black lightning... then I placed black adam in the middle of a roof... thinking he was safe... but he had his impervious outwitted by bats and was damaged by FF hawkeye from range... my hawkeye could do some damage but didn't kill anybody... and songbird had her E/Sd outwitted and was blasted too when she was alone in the middle of the board...
I think I played very very bad... but I don't know if my team was good and it's was my fault or if my team was bad too... what do you think?Hey, don't sweat it. Everybody makes mistakes... all you have to do to get better is learn from them.
Now, we can only know what you've mentioned, so who knows if your opponent is more, less, or equally experienced as you. It does sound like he capitalized on some of your not-so-great moves... but that's no big deal. If this is a guy you face regularly and he seems to always get the upper hand, don't get mad... just pay attention. Watch for how he moves when he strikes, what sort of traps or gambits he tries to play, etc., and counter accordingly. It won't take too long before you're winning as many against him as he is against you.
As far as your team - Vevilaughs made some excellent points. Individually, the pieces are fine... but the team needs more synergy, to work together more beneficially. One point I'd like to make is that if you have ANY figures with the X-Men TA on the force and want to use a TKer, stick with the X-TKers. Drop the Mandroid for r. Jean for cheap, or upgrade to Blink or Polaris as possible secondary attackers.
It also sounds like you were missing a good opportunity with 2 TKers on the force. With the possibility of a double-TK slingshot, you should be getting 1st strike most of the time. Since the Outwit seemed to be a problem, you couldawouldashoulda carried the Mandroid out... then next turn used Songbird to TK one of your attackers to the Mandroid, then have the Mandroid TK that same fig right at the thorn in your side. Black Adam coming from your back line all the way across the board and slamming Bats for big damage would take Outwit out of the picture.
Also, in the end, it's the dice that really decide the game. Probability Control should be something you think about including on just about every force you build (especially if you're like many of us who have matches not lost by bad moves, but unfriendly dice rolls).

[scholarx]

I thought of this team to go next week and get my revenge...
v starfire IC 96 (could go with v blackfire and add a e deo agent... but she doesn't fly) If you had any other Titans on the force or a wildcard, I'd say stick with Starfire(you can, of course, edit to change that.;) ) Since you don't, there's really no reason not to go with her archenemy sister Blackfire. For 20pts less, you get essentially the same fig... sure you lose Flight, but you gain Leadership and room enough for some PC on the force (20pt r. Destiny for the basic ability, or if you have more pts left over from other changes, go for a PCer with some secondary attack potential).v hawkeye UL 73
v psylocke AW 75Seems like you're fond of these two... and there's nothing wrong with sticking with them to make sure they play to full potential.r joker IC 78
r lockjaw 24Without the use of cards (Armor Piercing for Joker's Poison, and Double-Time for Lockjaw, Nanobots or Protected for both), this combo is much less effective. Sure, you can still get your Outwitter far into the field... but the 12speed might still fall short of getting to the correct position for foiling your opponent. With his low defense, Lockjaw is a sitting duck, so even his long-for-the-pts dial won't last long against figs like FF Hawkeye and Black Lightning. You might want to consider upgrading to Lockjaw to a better version so he can be a meatshield for whoever needs him, and then have a lower-cost Outwitter that won't be such a juicy target.r mandroid armor 28Again I'll say that this is not the TKer you want if you have any X-figs on your force. For someone just as cheap who can push and still have TK on her dial, go with 31pt. r. Jean Grey. You can upgrade to other TKers if points allow, of course.e easy company medic 16 (or e science police for the PD ability)
r easy company medic 9Better than both of these is the e. DEO Agent you mentioned above. Perplex if you need it, then Support, plus the PD TA. Great fig.

I don't know what figs you have available to you, but here's an idea of what I see as a decent Blackfire force based on the above:
v. Blackfire, 76
v. (Ult.) Hawkeye, 73
v. (AW) Psylocke, 75
e. DEO Agent, 18
v. Lockjaw, 38 (Best meatshield there is: 14speed, very long dial with Phasing throughout. He can jump in front of your higher-cost figs after they attack, forcing the opponent to reposition or just waste actions shooting him, then Phase off to your Support fig.)
r. Polaris, 50 (Nice defense vs. range, and a nice high damage for secondary attack potential.)
r. (FF) Scarlet Witch, 35 (Stealth helps protect her, and her 10range lets her help you finish off weakened opposing figs from relative safety.)
r. Black Panther, 27 (The old Outwit standby. His Avengers TA lets you position him without taking actions away from your attackers.)
r. Paramedic, 8 (Since you seem to like a 2nd medic, here's the cheapest one, who easily does her job as well as the Easy Company boys.)
= 400pts.

As an alternative, here's a more synergistic Starfire force, hoping to get some TA usage:
v. Starfire, 96 (Titans)
v. (AW) Psylocke, 75 (X)
v. (Ult.) Hawkeye, 73 (Ultimates)
r. Lockjaw, 29 (not quite as good as the vet, but close enough)
r. Jean Grey, 31 (X)
r. (Icons) Raven, 54 (Titans; sporting a first click of PC, then some Support down the dial and Regen. to help herself heal as well. Don't forget her Barrier... as Kylun explained, it can be a decent Outwit foil.)
r. Brainiac 5, 40 (His wildcard TA can do something most figs can't - allow him to copy Ultimates to see through Bat/Stealth and take away Batman's Outwit without having to attack him. He can also trade clix with both Titans and X-figs as necessary.)
pog Franklin Richards, 2 (pog filler... have him sacrifice himself as needed; 2 Lians work just as well here)

Best of luck to you!

[tak]

thanks a lot to everyone!
I will try every single tactic and strategy you pointed out!...:)