View Full Version : In your option does this reflect faith or trust in
In your option does this reflect faith or trust in either of the two websites, Wizkids forums or HCRealms.
There are at present April 6, 2007 at 2:45 Eastern Standard Time 1,069 people on the various HCRealms sites on only, 174 on the various Wizkids forums. If it does what is your opinion of it. No extreme bad mouthing, please.
Thrumble Funk
04/06/2007, 14:50
I dig the Realms, simply because I can gripe here if need be without the hammer of excessive moderation falling down on me.
Zatara55
04/06/2007, 14:52
I was under the impression that WK ran both.
But the WK site forum isn't (or wasn't) compatable with aol. That's why I ended up in these forums.
BudPalmer
04/06/2007, 14:52
I think this site is easier to use and much easier on the eyes. I have commented on the monkey-poop brown of the Wizkids forums in the past.
This site is FAR superior.
I dig the Realms, simply because I can gripe here if need be without the hammer of excessive moderation falling down on me.
Yeah. What he said.
CornsilkSW
04/06/2007, 14:55
well, i posted a thread on the official WK forums asking for someone to address the errors in the Hellboy set.
It's not there now.
We deserve better than to have error ridden product passed off to us and our queries on the subject unanswered and even deleted. I'd say i'm an unhappy customer, but to be honest i'm NOT their customer. They don't get a dime from me until they produce something worth they money they ask for.
I come here because they don't delete things. That set has errors. As a consumer I would like some sort of response as to why this happened before I drop 30 bucks on plastic men. As it stands now, that money is staying in my wallet.
If WizKids had more sense, they would disband the official forums and point people over here. Converting their website into a virtual bulletin board would get rid of this pretext that you can openly talk about their products over there.
tchipley
04/06/2007, 14:56
WK forum you get official answers and get to ask a question every 3 days or so.
HCRealms you get more stuff not just related to Heroclix (Comics, Crit Hit Magazine, Advice, trade and SELL.)
Content is much better here. Plain and simple.
(Oh and you only need to log in once here and you are gold. You get timed out on WK site.)
Don't forget at HCRealms, you also get... me.
Bat-Dude
04/06/2007, 15:07
I almost hate to chime in with this b/c I know it's going to come out all wrong and be misinterpreted in ways I don't mean it. But the thing I absolutely can't stand about WizKids's forums is that, for the most part (generally speaking), the people who post there have no clue what's actually going on in the world of HeroClix. I don't know if it's b/c newbs go there until they discover the Realms or what. I've read some of the most ridiculous questions and rumors there about things that were dispelled here weeks, sometimes months before. At this point, I use WizKids' forum solely as a means for asking Seth and Mark questions and reading their answers to other peoples' questions. I realize they want to have the final say on what's posted, but I would definitely prefer to see them move their Ask thread here. Take from that what you will, I don't mean any offense to people who regularly post on WizKids' forum.
HappyTrain
04/06/2007, 15:13
HC provides a much needed balance to the official site:
-Better, more honest reviews
-Reviews period
-A quick reference for rules clarifications
-A place where you can say, "Hey, I'm using him as a flier no matter what ANYONE says...EVER!"
There is actual diversity of opinion (and humor) here at HCR. Over at the WK forums its far to dull for my taste. HCR also has a better-defined set of forums (for the most part) so conversations here can be more focused.
I'll also add that the "official" forums seem to work at cross-purposes: the rules forums are often a mess of mis-information...and while Karl was the RA, he'd only interject to answer under peculiar circumstances, so a casual reader might not be left with a very satisfying answer to a (usually mundane, or repetative) question.
The "Ask..." threads have their own peculiarity, in which questions sometime get responses, but rarely get answered.
CornsilkSW
04/06/2007, 15:26
The "Ask..." threads have their own peculiarity, in which questions sometime get responses, but rarely get answered.
I've noticed that a lot as well. They do a GREAT job of addressing the people who asked the questions, but they often engage in the sort of dialogue and market jargon that leaves the questions unanswered and the root issues unaddressed.
I know they have a policy of secrecy, for fear that too much information about what's coming down the pipe will somehow prevent retailers from ordering and selling what's coming out of the end of the pipe now. I'm also of the opinion that it's largely bollocks, and that more openness with their consumers and honesty towards the longtime supporters will sell more product in the long run.
lord knows I don't see waves of contentment rolling over the purchasing masses.
I almost hate to chime in with this b/c I know it's going to come out all wrong and be misinterpreted in ways I don't mean it. But the thing I absolutely can't stand about WizKids's forums is that, for the most part (generally speaking), the people who post there have no clue what's actually going on in the world of HeroClix. I don't know if it's b/c newbs go there until they discover the Realms or what. I've read some of the most ridiculous questions and rumors there about things that were dispelled here weeks, sometimes months before. At this point, I use WizKids' forum solely as a means for asking Seth and Mark questions and reading their answers to other peoples' questions. I realize they want to have the final say on what's posted, but I would definitely prefer to see them move their Ask thread here. Take from that what you will, I don't mean any offense to people who regularly post on WizKids' forum.
Don't worry , I can understand your point ;)
I would suggest that there's more people on HCR because....
There's more people on HCR. At some point there was a reason WK was less popular, and HCR was more active than the WK site, so because of that, more people became active on HCR, because it already was more active, and thus created a larger discrepency.
As for that original reason, I'd say it was probably functionality and ease of use. You'd have to go back probably 3 or 4 years to determine the real cause. It's unlikely to be something that just happened recently.
madslaust
04/06/2007, 15:43
We have Carlos.
the choice is easy.
to all the above I will add that on HCR you will get notified and linked to any items/articles/announcements posted on the WK site. On the WK site you will not get linked to the outstanding articles here.
Here you get the best of both worlds, there you just get less.
I originally stopped posting on the WK forums and started posting here because of the WK forums' functionality and ease-of-use issues.
I kept posting here instead of there because of everything else that makes HCR so great.
petenbailey9
04/06/2007, 16:17
When I first became a judge and they did the Tsunami relief Hulk promo I was under the understanding that I had to run to a fund raiser tournament. I posted on the WK forums and I might as well have been a leper. No responses.......sigh....It was run succesfully and have run several others and I could only think that the information and support to come from here only made it better.
theanalogkid
04/06/2007, 16:20
it is easier to navigate over here. Plus, much better topics.
The Rukuz doesn't post on the WizKids forum. :p
I think the life went out of the WK forum when BroMags left.
CornsilkSW
04/06/2007, 16:40
I think the life went out of the WK forum when BroMags left.
indeed... :disappoin
i miss having information.
JackAssterson
04/06/2007, 16:51
I was under the impression that WK ran both.
Nope. HrCrealms, HCRealms, VSRealms and the various other Realms sites are all under the Realmworx umbrella. No Wizkids here. :)
GreatArelius1
04/06/2007, 16:59
I will agree that Wizkids forum lacks information. On HCR thou; you have rumors, speculations and leaks without much fear of your thread being removes. We all like buzz and WK forums doesnt offer that. Only thing thats going to WK forum is the Ask thread. Its a good idea but its not great as you have to search the thread for any info and alot of questions dont get answered.
absolutvt69
04/06/2007, 17:05
I think the numbers can be a bit misleading too as HCRealms does not log you out after a period of inactivity... so it always appears that I'm online on HCRealms even if I'm not actively at the computer. And honestly that's a big reason I post here more often... b/c I get tired of having to log in every time I go to the WK forums. I also think there is a lot more to talk about on HCRealms as you can go to the Another Realm section and discuss just about anything...
BlueBlazer
04/06/2007, 19:16
On the official forums, there is no rep system :eek:
Grumpygoat
04/06/2007, 19:37
These forums are more attractive, for one.
HCRealms keep you logged in as a second.
And, thirdly, you can just lurk here without a login. I like to know whether a forum is worth even registering for before I bother registering. And not to mention that, of the various forums to register at, the WizKids forum is one of the most invasively personal in what it requires you to input.
I have to agree with the general consensus. HCRealms has more info and less hassle. I hate having to jump through hoops just to get to the official forum, and there's no sense posting there ever since the Gestapo took over mod duties. HCRealms also gives you (generally) the unfiltered truth. WK Forums are too corporate now.
There are at present April 6, 2007 at 2:45 Eastern Standard Time 1,069 people on the various HCRealms sites on only, 174 on the various Wizkids forums.
This is why Wizkids insists on putting out 95% of their first party information on their own forums. Apparently they want to hide it as best they can from people who might be interested in hearing it. Anybody ever read the first few chapters of Hitchhiker's Guide?
absolutvt69
04/06/2007, 20:40
This is why Wizkids insists on putting out 95% of their first party information on their own forums. Apparently they want to hide it as best they can from people who might be interested in hearing it. Anybody ever read the first few chapters of Hitchhiker's Guide?
Or you know... it could be that MOST companies release official news and information on their official websites. WK is no different in that respect than about every other company I've seen w/ a website. I'm not sure where else you'd expect them to post their "first party information"?
fredo619
04/06/2007, 22:12
Sadly we get more answers to our questions here ... or the March 20th announcment ... sad
SaferSephiroth
04/06/2007, 22:19
We get to have custom avatars here, for a small fee.
CarlosMucha
04/06/2007, 23:55
HCR is the streets. WK Forums is the Mafia. :noid:
CarlosMucha
04/06/2007, 23:56
We have Carlos.
the choice is easy.
snif. snif. thank you my friend! :classic:
I don't know why, but whenever I go to the WK site, I feel like I'm shuffling up in line to ask the Soup Nazi for a medium crab bisque.
I also don't like or undestand the whole air of secrecy thing with the folks at WK, which seems to have gotten worse under the Tuttle administration.
Yeah, if we're looking for reasons WHY people don't like the WK forum, it's obvious, it's a horrible forum. Just horrible. It's like a forum from the dark ages.
To get to it you have to click through about 3-5 pages, log in every time, whether you intend to post or not, the mods are controlling to the point of draconianism, the forum software is severely outdated (not ANN outdated if I remember correctly, but still not great), and even the colors have an "evil" cast to them. It's just not a place I'd ever want to be if I could help it.
On HCR, on the other hand, I've only had to log in ONCE in the past year or so, only have to pick through two pages to reach the forums I want, one of them being an info-filled front page, I have my journal pages, the units section right with the forum, many of the mods are generally fair, and the site contols are the best I've seen on the net.
It's really a no brainer, if only the powers at be at Wizkids were equipped enough to make the right choice as well.
Simply put?
Wizkids forums are run by a company which at times seems like it is faceless and does not seem to have our common interests in mind (at times)
HCRealms is run by us, the Heroclix community. We take care of our own here.
Iron Ham
04/07/2007, 01:37
The HCRealms background is obviously a hypnosis devi-...
*drools*
coyotejack
04/07/2007, 01:40
I think this site is easier to use and much easier on the eyes. I have commented on the monkey-poop brown of the Wizkids forums in the past.
Totally agree with this. I despise the forum set up at WK. It's clumsy and ugly. I'd gladly frequent both that site and this one at the same time...but I just can't stand the look/feel of WK's forums.
If they want people to go there, rather than "bribing" us by posting the good information there, since they seem so adverse to bribery, they should just hire some of the people behind HCRealms to overhaul their own forums and manage them for them. I'm sure what the Realms folks do for free they'd gladly do for a reasonable salary (and free clix maybe).
Do any of you believe that they feel the cost and time of maintaining their website at a higher level might cause them to have to take away from other projects?
If remember right, from what I’ve read their staff is pretty well down to the bare bones now.
Nighthawk
04/07/2007, 09:25
I like my pre-apocalyptic heroclix news free of spin control
so I come here.
If remember right, from what I’ve read their staff is pretty well down to the bare bones now.
Even so, there have been some obvious problems with their site: For the early part of this year they had renamed several of their "forums" but hadn;t corrected the links to them from the 'master' page. As an example, at least one of the HC forums (rules, or approved play) had to be accessed through an extra step or two.
I think this site is more friendly toward the Wizkids bashers. I think a great many people out here just plain ole want to make trouble. I mean with threads posted like "Who is actually Quitting heroclix!?" That is a site created to start negative feelings toward a company that does not deserve 1/2 of the Negativity it gets. But that's just my opinion. Let the Torch and pitchfork waving begin.
krusticlese
04/07/2007, 10:11
Their moderators are not the stellar, friendly folks we have here. Most over there seem to be on some power trip or the other, and will delete posts that critique Wizkids, hand out warning points on a whim, ban Hair10, let him back, ban him again.
One of the few reasons to check out their forums is for new info, but when Seth, Mark, and Wade seem to be stuck in a pit of perpetual procrastination. "Oh yeah, we'll make an annoncement about that Wednesday... did we say Wednesday? We meant June."
And then their trolling mods would delete your post in which you inquire "Hey where's that announcement?", and possibly give you warnings.
BlueBlazer
04/07/2007, 10:36
If they want people to go there, rather than "bribing" us by posting the good information there, since they seem so adverse to bribery, they should just hire some of the people behind HCRealms to overhaul their own forums and manage them for them. I'm sure what the Realms folks do for free they'd gladly do for a reasonable salary (and free clix maybe).
Draddog, a moderator, was once hired by Wizkidsgames and then later promoted to the Mage Knight brand manager along (and later brand manager of several other lines). During this time, he had exclusive sneak peak materials and promotions for the RealmWorx sites. The following games were produced while he was employed there:
Crimson Skies
Shadowrun: Duels
Creepy Freaks
MLB:SportsClix
Pirates of the Spanish Main
Rocketmen
NASCAR: Raceday
High Stakes Drifter
Tsuro
Additionally, there was a prototype game that was never released where players duel off against each other by placing monsters in matryoshka-based capsules.
The flaming hoops you have to go through to get into the official site is my main issue
I cannot seem to stay logged in there, here I can
This makes this site quick and easy
Also, I 'know' more folks here
Let the Torch and pitchfork waving begin.
[huge crowd with torches waving back and forth]
All we are say-ying
Is burn down the castle
All we are say-ying
We like to hassle
We wanna have freedom to spout inane opines, post up a list of whines and how moderatin' our freedom declines and how wizkids #####s have no spines
All we are say-ying
Is give us free stuff
All we are say-ying
Our lives is so rough
[rap] We wanna post how we're quittin, wk is failin from where we are sittin, how I saw Mark Tuttle strangle a kitten and how my prognostication of clix's future ain't just #######
[rap] Now once again BigSoph is postin a song, some say rep-worthy; others say "WRONG", like Lex Luthor from the Superman movie, so I will end this; Peace out, stay groovy!
Additionally, there was a prototype game that was never released where players duel off against each other by placing monsters in matryoshka-based capsules.
Zyphods(sp?) was on store shelves in SE Michigan.
MattPetersen
04/07/2007, 18:25
Do any of you believe that they feel the cost and time of maintaining their website at a higher level might cause them to have to take away from other projects?
If remember right, from what I’ve read their staff is pretty well down to the bare bones now.
Well with some of their games NOW depending on cards that if lost are available ON the website to print out for replacement (along with the rules, etc.) then yes even if just for those!!! ;)
I like to frequent both regularly, but then again I am a judge and I need to keep up to date in certain questions and issues (plus I need to log my events).
I do find myself getting into more ACTUAL discussions HERE because..... well they are more interesting, fun, and more people can pretty much have their opinions here on all topics!
BlueBlazer
04/07/2007, 19:42
Zyphods(sp?) was on store shelves in SE Michigan.
From what I remember, Draddog stated that Zyphods was being test marketed in several places before they could decide what to do with it.
Surfer13
04/08/2007, 05:56
I would suggest that there's more people on HCR because....
There's more people on HCR.
I agree %100. I always check into the Wizkids site, but because there are fewer people there, there are fewer posts.
Because there are fewer posts, there are fewer still that interest me.
Because there are fewer that interest me, I can read through them faster.
Because I can read through them faster, I spend less time there.
Then I get here.
More posters, more posts, more interest, and I am here longer sorting through it all.
Just because I am here, doesn't mean that I wasn't there. :cool:
coyotehatesyou
04/08/2007, 06:40
I just always assumed that the Wizkids site was one of those message boards that we, the internet public is not actually supposed to post on. It's just supposed to exist and be static, like a couch covered in plastic.
Kind of like how you can't actually change anything in Wikipedia, because some guy who outranks you will just undo your changes to improve his user rankings.
I have issues with the moderation here, but I suspect that is the result of them being such an active part of the community. It's easy to spot the lifeguards when you have three buses full of idiots at the pool. The lifegaurds are more scarce when only two people are in the shallow end.
Also, the entire site is bowling shoe ugly.
[huge crowd with torches waving back and forth]
All we are say-ying
Is burn down the castle
All we are say-ying
We like to hassle
We wanna have freedom to spout inane opines, post up a list of whines and how moderatin' our freedom declines and how wizkids #####s have no spines
All we are say-ying
Is give us free stuff
All we are say-ying
Our lives is so rough
[rap] We wanna post how we're quittin, wk is failin from where we are sittin, how I saw Mark Tuttle strangle a kitten and how my prognostication of clix's future ain't just #######
[rap] Now once again BigSoph is postin a song, some say rep-worthy; others say "WRONG", like Lex Luthor from the Superman movie, so I will end this; Peace out, stay groovy!
I SHALL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT!......I shall not(Cough,cough) be silenced by....I shall....(Cough,cough).....I sha.....AAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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