New Rarity & Spider-Man on WizKidsGames.com

[andrewtarius]

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As we've announced previously, this summer WizKids is improving the packout of HeroClix boosters, bricks, and cases. Here's some more detail:

Figures in each booster will be drawn from among the 60 figures in the set, which is broken into four levels of rarity (indicated by the color of the tab behind the set symbol on the figure’s base):

16 Common figures (white rarity tabs)
16 Uncommon figures (green rarity tabs)
16 Rare figures (silver rarity tabs)
12 Super-Rare figures (gold rarity tabs)

Five figures from the set will be packed into each booster. A booster will contain the following number of figures from each level of rarity:

1-3 Commons
1-2 Uncommons
1 Rare

1 in 3 boosters will contain a Super-Rare figure, replacing one of the Common figures in the booster. Though it's possible to get 3 Common figures in a booster, a lucky pull will net you 1 Super-Rare figure, 1 Rare figure, 2 Uncommon figures, and only 1 Common! With the new colored rarity tabs, it will be simple to see what you’ve pulled out of a booster, and much easier to make equitable trades with your friends as you work to collect the entire set!

Each booster will also contain 5 character cards, 1 matching each character in the booster, and 1 card element (a bystander token, a feat, a battlefield condition, or a special object.)

As always, you can buy boosters individually, or you can buy a brick of 10 boosters to participate in the HeroClix Buy it by the Brick program and send away for a special figure. Two bricks will be packed into a case, for a total of 20 boosters per case.

Source: WizKidsGames.com (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/gameresources.asp?cid=41411)

Click "Read More" below for Spider-Man and it's stats and write-up.

[andrewtarius]

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#051 V Spider-Man
Team: Avengers
Range: 6 //
Points: 111
Rarity: Super-Rare
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Webbing: Spider-Man can use Incapacitate but it the attack succeeds against a target with zero action tokens, give the target two action tokens instead of one.


Marvel HeroClix: Avengers
Spider-Man preview
by Seth Johnson, HeroClix Lead Designer

We’re back for another Avengers preview, and this time we’re taking a look at Spider-Man. There have been many versions of Spider-Man in the past, but the focus of Avengers lets us look at a version of the wall-crawler from his recent membership on the team.


One of the nice things about the background information you’ll find on the back of character cards is that I can just quote it here, and it will set up the dial you’re about to see:

“Shortly after Spider-Man joined the Avengers, Tony Stark gave him a new, armored costume based on his own Iron Man armor: bulletproof, shapeshifting, loaded with communications equipment and analytical tools, and able to sprout a set of metallic arms from its back. Parker and his new costume were a common sight at Iron Man’s side in the early days of the civil war between the heroes—until Spider-Man changed both sides and costumes.”

That armored costume gives Spider-Man an opening slot of IRON SPIDER (Invulnerability) and a run of Toughness before he has to rely on his SPIDER-SENSE (Super Senses). The wall-crawling ability provided by Leap/Climb is a familiar part of Spider-Man dials, but it is broken by two slots of SPIDER-ARMS (Flurry), the next ability granted by the costume.

Spider-Man’s damage abilities are where things start to get a little more interesting: following an opening slot of Outwit, Spidey has SMART METAL ARMOR (Shape Change) at the top and bottom of his dial, amplifying the usefulness of the damage reducing or evading powers on his defense track.

If Spider-Man is pushed or knocked off the top of his dial, he may be forced to drop the object he’s carrying with Super Strength, but given his damage reducers it’s just as likely that his opponent will knock him into one of the more dangerous things about his dial: his special power, Webbing:

Webbing Spider-Man can use Incapacitate, but if the attack succeeds against a target with zero action tokens, give the target two action tokens instead of one.

Combined with his dual targets, this Spider-Man will be leaping around the board, locking down multiple opponents and then using either handy objects, his armor’s spider-arms, or just his own fists to pummel them senseless. He may be wearing a costume in Iron Man’s colors, but that doesn’t mean the man inside doesn’t still fight in the same classic Spider-style!

Of course Spider-Man will be a great fit on any New Avengers team, but don’t forget to check out his other keywords—not only does Spider-Man have the Avengers keyword, he also has three great generic keywords—Armor, Reporter, and Scientists—that might help you to assemble some great themed teams with a certain friendly neighborhood member in their ranks.

Source: WizKidsGames.com (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/gameresources.asp?cid=41410)
Spider-Man in WizKidsGames.com Figure Gallery (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/figuregallery.asp?unitid=13165)

View and rate in the Units section: av051 V Spider-Man (http://www.hcrealms.com/units.php?page=dial&id=av051)

[RavenProject]

There you go. Assuming optimal distribution, you'll need 36 boosters -- just shy of two cases -- to complete a set.

-J

[dcoffin40]

Iron Spider-man's dial looks awesome

[Zaq]

Ack! That webbing power is nasty! It's like instant push damage if it hits! Too bad it isn't on his first click.

[JacinB]

There you go. Assuming optimal distribution, you'll need 36 boosters -- just shy of two cases -- to complete a set.

-J
Which, it should be noted, is just 40 boosters (just shy of $400 MSRP) with 200 total figures, as opposed to the 48 boosters ($383.00+ MSRP) and 192 figures in each case you got the old way.

So, all in all, it's not much different.

[dernjg]

Which, it should be noted, is just 40 boosters (just shy of $400 MSRP) with 200 total figures, as opposed to the 48 boosters ($383.00+ MSRP) and 192 figures in each case you got the old way.

So, all in all, it's not much different.

except with the amount of specifically different figures (Counting an REV set as three different figures in this model).

[Xplodiak]

Very nice. Looks like people won't really be able to complain about Spidey's incap anymore. I'm still waiting for Imperv and Mastermind so across all his versions, Spidey has all 11 defense powers. All 11 mainstream ones, anyway...

[Mjolnir]

ok, thanks for the 'splanation. Sounds like WK is going to have fun with these 'special poweers..... :devious:

[JacinB]

except with the amount of specifically different figures (Counting an REV set as three different figures in this model).
That's true.

If I'm doing the math right, under the new system, it's ~40 boosters to complete a full set including the new Uniques (ie: 'Super Rares'). The old way, you'd buy a 48-booster case and still be missing half of the Uniques.

So, you've got better odds of completing a full set of 60 different figures (including Super Rares) in two cases (40 boosters, $400 MSRP) than you had of completing a full set of 96 figures in two cases (or 96 boosters, $766 MSRP) previously.

[Manchine]

Which, it should be noted, is just 40 boosters (just shy of $400 MSRP) with 200 total figures, as opposed to the 48 boosters ($383.00+ MSRP) and 192 figures in each case you got the old way.

So, all in all, it's not much different.


How did you get 40 boosters? Looks like 36 to me. Since 36 will give you 12 Super Rares. So its actually Cheaper.

[T'Chaka]

I feel much better. :)

[Spidersense]

That's true.

If I'm doing the math right, under the new system, it's ~40 boosters to complete a full set including the new Uniques (ie: 'Super Rares'). The old way, you'd buy a 48-booster case and still be missing half of the Uniques.

So, you've got better odds of completing a full set of 60 different figures (including Super Rares) in two cases (40 boosters, $400 MSRP) than you had of completing a full set of 96 figures in two cases (or 96 boosters, $766 MSRP) previously.

WHAT???? The "old" way if you bought 48 boosters, you got 16 uniques!

Let's make this easy:

NEW: 36 boosters = 12 SR = $360 MSRP

OLD: 36 boosters = 12 uniques = $287 MSRP

So you need the same number of boosters. Oh, but wait, they now cost $2 more.

[Spidersense]

I feel much better. :)

You won't once you start opening boosters...

[T'Chaka]

You won't once you start opening boosters...

Quiet, you! :p ;)

[Tarnish]

To me it looks like the $money you'll need to spend on boosters to complete a set is "about" the same. The only problem is I'll have 36 LESS dials to play in the 60 fig set vs. the old 96 fig set. yes I know that it's 60 individual sculpts but bottom line in the same amount of $$ will still get you a set, but with a LOT more dupes.

Tarnish

[JacinB]

WHAT???? The "old" way if you bought 48 boosters, you got 16 uniques!
Like I said, "if I did my math right".

I was figuring uniques at a rate of 1-in-6 boosters (8 total) with 2 duplicated Uniques per case, rather than 1-in-3 boosters (16 total).

I think the actual number is about 1-in-4 boosters (12 total), with 4 duplicated uniques per case. Meaning, that it would take you at least a case and a half to complete a 12 unique set.

And I am, in no way, assuming that there will be anything close to 'perfect' distribution.

So, let's re-figure ...

New: 40 boosters = All 12 Super-Rares (13+ pulled) = $360 MSRP
Old: 72 boosters = All 12 Uniques (18+ pulled) = $576 MSRP

[Tarnish]

To expound on that last bit I said:

Old method: 1 case =1 set (almost always for me MAYBEE 1 fig short) + 96 dupes for $384

New method 2 cases = 1 set+ 140 dupes for $400.

Pro: 1. 60 individual sculpts vs ~40 individual sculpts (at least 40 maybe more if they changed up some REV)
2. Better sculpt quality on rarer figures.

Cons: 1. $16 more to complete a set of 36 less figs.
2. 140 dupes, most of which are going to be so common as to lack any trade value

Tarnish

[krusticlese]

Hmmm, looks like it will be more economical to just buy a completed set online, rather then fighting with the ton of dupes, and the inevitible mis-matched and missing cards.

At least with this distribution, the sets won't be as expensive as I thought.

[Tarnish]

Like I said, "if I did my math right".

I was figuring uniques at a rate of 1-in-6 boosters (8 total) with 2 duplicated Uniques per case, rather than 1-in-3 boosters (16 total).

I think the actual number is about 1-in-4 boosters (12 total), with 4 duplicated uniques per case. Meaning, that it would take you at least a case and a half to complete a 12 unique set.

And I am, in no way, assuming that there will be anything close to 'perfect' distribution.

So, let's re-figure ...

New: 40 boosters = All 12 Super-Rares (13+ pulled) = $360 MSRP
Old: 72 boosters = All 12 Uniques (18+ pulled) = $576 MSRP

No it's been 16 boosters per set now for a while. I haven't pulled all 12 uniques out of a case since they changed the distro from 1:6 to 1:3. I know there have been the horror stories of people pulling 7 of the same unique, but that really seams to be the exception.

Tarnish

[Spidersense]

Like I said, "if I did my math right".

I was figuring uniques at a rate of 1-in-6 boosters (8 total) with 2 duplicated Uniques per case, rather than 1-in-3 boosters (16 total).

I think the actual number is about 1-in-4 boosters (12 total), with 4 duplicated uniques per case. Meaning, that it would take you at least a case and a half to complete a 12 unique set.

And I am, in no way, assuming that there will be anything close to 'perfect' distribution.

So, let's re-figure ...

New: 40 boosters = All 12 Super-Rares (13+ pulled) = $360 MSRP
Old: 72 boosters = All 12 Uniques (18+ pulled) = $576 MSRP

Keep trying! Again, assuming a perfect world...

Your "new" is right on.

Old system: at the 1 to 3 ratio for Uniques, you need 36 boosters to get 12 uniques. That isn't even a case.

[Manchine]

WHAT???? The "old" way if you bought 48 boosters, you got 16 uniques!

Let's make this easy:

NEW: 36 boosters = 12 SR = $360 MSRP

OLD: 36 boosters = 12 uniques = $287 MSRP

So you need the same number of boosters. Oh, but wait, they now cost $2 more.

Except you had to buy more to get the Rare Figures.

[Lame]

WHAT???? The "old" way if you bought 48 boosters, you got 16 uniques!

Let's make this easy:

NEW: 36 boosters = 12 SR = $360 MSRP

OLD: 36 boosters = 12 uniques = $287 MSRP

So you need the same number of boosters. Oh, but wait, they now cost $2 more.

But you are ignoring the fact that, previously, a Unique took the place of a rare, which caused the unique rare problem which was a problem for the past half dozen sets or so. Now a super-rare takes the place of a common, so that issue should be entirely resolved at least.

[Granite Moose]

Wow, do I want that Iron Spidey dial. He looks awesome.

[XocgX]

dude, this Spider-man with Thunderbolts will KILL! Of course, TBolts will be illegal once Avengers hits....

[JacinB]

Keep trying! Again, assuming a perfect world...

Your "new" is right on.

Old system: at the 1 to 3 ratio for Uniques, you need 36 boosters to get 12 uniques. That isn't even a case.
And how many more to get all of the more-rare-than-Uniques Rares ... ?

[Manchine]

And how many more to get all of the more-rare-than-Uniques Rares ... ?

Doesn't it take a almost case and a half for that.

How Many rares were in a set and how many rares did you get out of a case.

[Tarnish]

Doesn't it take a almost case and a half for that.

How Many rares were in a set and how many rares did you get out of a case.
1 case has always = a set about 95% of the time for every case I've opened or seen opened.

Well not Zombies and such but everything else.

Tarnish

[Manchine]

1 case has always = a set about 95% of the time for every case I've opened or seen opened.

Well not Zombies and such but everything else.

Tarnish

Your one of the luck ones. Since your not suppose to have enough rares in the case to pull it off. In all the cases I have ever bought I have had everything from 5 figures shy of a full set to 23 figures shy.

[Ghost_Rider]

Cool, but what designates a figure to be a "veteran"?

[WarHULK]

Wow... case and a half isn't going to cut it I guess... so now I'd have to buy a 4th brick to get enough to trade for a set... since my shop is offering a case and a brick for the same amount they sold a case before... I'm relatively screwed this set... my wife won't let me waste even more money on this hobby. This may be the end for me... ugh

[Tarnish]

Your one of the luck ones. Since your not suppose to have enough rares in the case to pull it off. In all the cases I have ever bought I have had everything from 5 figures shy of a full set to 23 figures shy.


:eek: Dude! I think the most I or any of my friends have ever been short from a case was 2 figs. And those wern't even high end figs, just something like Experienced figs in the 40-60 range.

Granted we only buy Marvel cases and cherry pick DC but still.....

Tarnish

[JacinB]

Wow... case and a half isn't going to cut it I guess... so now I'd have to buy a 4th brick to get enough to trade for a set... since my shop is offering a case and a brick for the same amount they sold a case before... I'm relatively screwed this set... my wife won't let me waste even more money on this hobby. This may be the end for me... ugh
So, assuming your current store is selling the new stuff at MSRP, your store used to sell cases for $300 ... ?

That'd be ~$6.25 per booster, which is about 20% off of MSRP.

Is there any reason why they're not selling the new boosters at the same 20% off rate?

[Shellhead's Pal]

Hmmm, looks like it will be more economical to just buy a completed set online, rather then fighting with the ton of dupes, and the inevitible mis-matched and missing cards.

At least with this distribution, the sets won't be as expensive as I thought.

Shoosh, man! You can't be givin' away my master plan like that! Man...now I'm gonna have all kindsa competition.

Yeah, I thought about buying a brick just for the Galactus scenario, but man, those Heralds are going to be common. They might fetch $4 or $5 on eBay, would be my guess. Buying an entire set is definitely the way to go. I just wonder how much they're going to go for now. You'd think it'd be cheaper than previous sets (60 figs instead of 96), but you never know what demand will do.

[StormX]

:eek: Dude! I think the most I or any of my friends have ever been short from a case was 2 figs. And those wern't even high end figs, just something like Experienced figs in the 40-60 range.

Granted we only buy Marvel cases and cherry pick DC but still.....

Tarnish


I got a full REV set out of my case of Legacy.

But obviously this was before the unique 1:6 -> 1:3 change over.

[Shellhead's Pal]

Wow... case and a half isn't going to cut it I guess... so now I'd have to buy a 4th brick to get enough to trade for a set... since my shop is offering a case and a brick for the same amount they sold a case before... I'm relatively screwed this set... my wife won't let me waste even more money on this hobby. This may be the end for me... ugh

Man, you best buck up, WarHULK. Never say never. All you gots to do is lay down the law. Numsayin? This is Heroclix, man. HEROCLIX. All's you gotta do is ferment a little on yo' finances. Ramen noodles and bike ridin' will get you the bank you require for them sweet, sweet plastic heroes. Woman gotta unnastand! Bow down!

[DeltaPi1049]

Puts 100.00 away in savings for Iron Spider. Geesh, I hope these things dont cost a lot of money.

[edgreen86]

Good news, folks!

I just got off the phone with Seth. He finally realizes that WK is in business to cater simply to us, and that pesky concept of making a profit and staying in business is pretty silly.

He's agreed that *everyone* here on HC will get full sets of not only the upcoming Avengers set, but full factory sets of all the previous releases.

Also, he promised us all the Extra-Super Giant sized figure of our choice, plus a date with the Comic Book Professional of our choice.

(I also made a bet with him that it would take like, maybe, 30 seconds for the batching, whining and moaning to start. He wouldn't take me up on it. He figured it would be more like 10 seconds)














(oh, and just in case anyone couldn't tell, I made all of this up. Except for the 10 second part)

[tchipley]

Man, you best buck up, WarHULK. Never say never. All you gots to do is lay down the law. Numsayin? This is Heroclix, man. HEROCLIX. All's you gotta do is ferment a little on yo' finances. Ramen noodles and bike ridin' will get you the bank you require for them sweet, sweet plastic heroes. Woman gotta unnastand! Bow down!

Word up WarHulk, Word Up. Knaamean?!? You gotz to let yo' lady know you da pimp daddy dealing on the plastic crack tip yo!

Slap them Ramens on the table an say "Eat up Girl. That's all you get!"

[T'Chaka]

Good news, folks!

I just got off the phone with Seth. He finally realizes that WK is in business to cater simply to us, and that pesky concept of making a profit and staying in business is pretty silly.

He's agreed that *everyone* here on HC will get full sets of not only the upcoming Avengers set, but full factory sets of all the previous releases.

Also, he promised us all the Extra-Super Giant sized figure of our choice, plus a date with the Comic Book Professional of our choice.

(I also made a bet with him that it would take like, maybe, 30 seconds for the batching, whining and moaning to start. He wouldn't take me up on it. He figured it would be more like 10 seconds)

What did he say about the necessary errata for the Red Skull card?!

[da-Craig-O]

I got a full REV set out of my case of Legacy.

But obviously this was before the unique 1:6 -> 1:3 change over.

I think I was the same. The unique change did make a difference though. I'm still on the lookout for a Vet Martian Manhunter and had to trade for about 5 of the 'rare' unique set in Origin.

Even though there are fewer total figs (60 vs. 96) I think that it will feel like you are getting the same, or even more. The fact that the 60 are all uniques in a sense will be nice. Sure, a pile of 12 REV Calypsos was great and all, but I would rather just have 1 Speedball...or whomever.

Yes, I do know that Speedball would be common and I'd have 5 or 6. My analogy remains however. ;)

[andrewtarius]

Cool, but what designates a figure to be a "veteran"?
To show the time in history the character is. Other than that, completeness. More trivial than anything.

[tchipley]

No moaning from me on this.

Rarity disclosed? Check!
Ratio disclosed? Check!
Cool frikkin' Spider-Man. Chiggetty Check Check!

[edgreen86]

What did he say about the necessary errata for the Red Skull card?!


He mumbled something about it all being a Communist plot and hung up the phone.

[T'Chaka]

Nazis and communists, they're like oil and water.

[edgreen86]

I've been to Washington State. I can understand why he'd be worried about Communists!

(Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week - or until I'm banned, which might be much less than a week...)

[Manchine]

:eek: Dude! I think the most I or any of my friends have ever been short from a case was 2 figs. And those wern't even high end figs, just something like Experienced figs in the 40-60 range.

Granted we only buy Marvel cases and cherry pick DC but still.....

Tarnish

I have only seen people online that got a Full set from a case. None of my friends have ever got a full set with just one case. Even trading between us.

Thats including friends I have online.

[gambitrmp]

Hmmm, looks like it will be more economical to just buy a completed set online, rather then fighting with the ton of dupes, and the inevitible mis-matched and missing cards.

At least with this distribution, the sets won't be as expensive as I thought.

Good point unless you want to play in the COG & Starro events. Decisions, decisions :rolleyes:

[da-Craig-O]

I've been to Washington State. I can understand why he'd be worried about Communists!

(Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week - or until I'm banned, which might be much less than a week...)

I live in Washington and....I just don't get your joke.

At least you'll be here all week to explain it to me. :)

[T'Chaka]

At least you'll be here all week to explain it to me. :)

Try the Prime Rib!

[cattmoe]

I have only seen people online that got a Full set from a case. None of my friends have ever got a full set with just one case. Even trading between us.

Thats including friends I have online.


I got a full set of Sinister in one case. Actually, a friend and I each bought a case and opened them togetehr and got the exact same distribution, down to the fig and the rarity level. So it can happen... :ermm:

[edgreen86]

I live in Washington and....I just don't get your joke.

At least you'll be here all week to explain it to me. :)

What did the Joker once say? If you have to explain it, it isn't funny!

No, wait... that doesn't support my part of the thread at all....

carp!

[colossusTN]

Ok ,I am totally geeking out here. I looked at the distribution and tried to put numbers to what we know. (Lets hope my prob and stats class and the time spent on my master's research paper gave me some tools to make sense of this.)

Look at the possibilities

in a non super rare booster two potential outcomes

a.3 commom, 1 uncommon, 1 rare
b.2 common, 2 uncommon, 1 rare

In super rare boosters, two potential outcomes

c.2 common, 1 super-rare, 1 uncommon, 1 rare
d.1 common, 1 super-rare, 2 uncommon, 1 rare

assume 50% chance for either distribution in each occurence.

Consequently, in a 6 booster sample you would assume this distribution.
A-B-C-A-B-D

based on this avg distribution( i am not a stats wiz so this is a lot of assumptions) here is what i have come up with.

If you assume a case will not contain dupes of super-rares (big if) and u get a perfect distro then 36 boosters if u hit it right should get you all your super-rares(the true limiting factor here).

Now, that is what we have all been saying but this is the interesting thing. assume that as long as you get almost double amount of figs for the commons, uncommons, and rares that you will complete them. Here are the numbers I have come up with. with 30 boosters you should have completed your entire set for the common, uncommon, and rare. you would only be 2 super-rares short. you would have 92 dupes including 14 rare. Taking those rares and using them to trade and maybe even throw in an extra $20-30 to complete the set.

Lots of ifs there but here is the important part. 30 boosters equals a case and a brick. if your venue is going to do like mine, then you can buy the case and extra brick while setting the extra brick aside for the Galactus Tournament.

These assumptions meaning u end up spending $330 to complete the set with 49 commons and 29 uncommons left to trade.

all this means is i am going to buy the case and a brick and buy the last two super-rares. ( I assume here any dupe super-rares can be traded 1:1)

:ermm:

[Artie Deco]

1-3 Commons
1-2 Uncommons
1 Rare

1 in 3 boosters will contain a Super-Rare figure, replacing one of the Common figures in the booster. Though it's possible to get 3 Common figures in a booster, a lucky pull will net you 1 Super-Rare figure, 1 Rare figure, 2 Uncommon figures, and only 1 Common!
*Groan* I am not looking forward to opening boosters.

The prospect of getting 3 commons (which is at least as likely as getting 1 Super Rare) makes me dread opening boosters.

[tyroman]

I have only seen people online that got a Full set from a case. None of my friends have ever got a full set with just one case. Even trading between us.

Thats including friends I have online.

you have friends? :confused: how much do you pay them? ;) :p :laugh:
(of course, i keed, i keed )

[AlgertMan]

yep Distro. is screwed

people keep forgetting that each brick in the case is split up properly based on the the other bricks in the the case.

Having to buy 2 cases throws that off. So I wouldn't doubt buying 2 complete cases would still not allow you to get a set.

ArmorWars all over again

[cwc316]

You know, if Wizkids would leave the god dam game alone we wouldn't have this stupid conversation again, and again,......... and again. But I know I expect to much out of people. 3 cheers for spending money on any other game!


P.S. To anyone spending $400.00 on a case of 48 boosters, Let me be the first to call you an IDIOT!

P.S.S. For those typing in Ebonics, please paraphrase in English so I don't miss anything!

[Remjer]

Figures in each booster will be drawn from among the 60 figures in the set, which is broken into four levels of rarity (indicated by the color of the tab behind the set symbol on the figure’s base):

16 Common figures (white rarity tabs)
16 Uncommon figures (green rarity tabs)
16 Rare figures (silver rarity tabs)
12 Super-Rare figures (gold rarity tabs)
Five figures from the set will be packed into each booster. A booster will contain the following number of figures from each level of rarity:

1-3 Commons
1-2 Uncommons
1 Rare
1 in 3 boosters will contain a Super-Rare figure, replacing one of the Common figures in the booster. Though it's possible to get 3 Common figures in a booster, a lucky pull will net you 1 Super-Rare figure, 1 Rare figure, 2 Uncommon figures, and only 1 Common! With the new colored rarity tabs, it will be simple to see what you’ve pulled out of a booster, and much easier to make equitable trades with your friends as you work to collect the entire set!



ok.......then just for commparison sakes

old set break downs
Commons 36/96 = 37.5%
Uncommons 24/96 = 25%
Rares 24/96 = 25%
Uniques (super rares) 12/96 = 12.5

total % of Rares per set 36/96 = 37.5%

New Set Break downs
Commons 16/60 = 26.66666667%
Uncommons 16/60 = 26.66666667%
Rares 16/60 = 26.66666667%
Super Rares 12/60 = 20%

total % of Rares per set 28/60 = 46.66666667 %

um ugh it's just as I feared more "rares" per set than commons

we're going to be swimming in those common pieces trying to get rares, espically once you add in the fact that most boosters are going to net you 3 commons

this is not a good thing at all

[Artie Deco]

...And Spider-Man is Super-Rare to boot. *Double groan*

[jbship628]

I'm just glad I won't be getting peeved off pulling R Mantis or some other such crappy Rookie figure as my rare for a boster. (Remember, not everyone buys in bricks or cases) Sure the figure in the rare slot might technically be a "rookie" but it should at least be decently powered, ala Thor, or a popular character, ala R Bullseye. And if there is a Rookie version as well as other versions of the same character in the set, this distribution allows them to file that rookie down into the uncommon or common slots if they so choose. Please let that be the case.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

I am glad wizkids finally told us about this.

I like the Spider-Man, I even posted a song about it, but the thread got deleated.

[Masopic]

Wow!

I can hardly wait to get three commons in every pack I buy... :tired:

[T'Chaka]

Wow!

I can hardly wait to get three commons in every pack I buy... :tired:

:laugh:

:laugh:

[gawain]

Wow!

I can hardly wait to get three commons in every pack I buy... :tired:

Good. I'll let you take those, and I'll take the ones with the super rares. We should deal more often.

[PaxZRake]

So, who's impressed with the sculpt? Like, really impressed?

Cause that's a Super-Rare, he's supposed to look better than everything but 11 other figures.

[Manchine]

So, who's impressed with the sculpt? Like, really impressed?

Cause that's a Super-Rare, he's supposed to look better than everything but 11 other figures.

Once I get it in my hand I will know. Until then its up in the area. Its ok thats it.

[gawain]

It doesn't help that the angle is really bad on the picture. I mean, it looks as though his spider-arms are growing out of his head. I'm gonna have to see it in person.

[gambitrmp]

...And Spider-Man is Super-Rare to boot. *Double groan*

I collect charactors so this is good news to me who's tired of a Spiderman in every set. Look at the bright side, there are people like me who will gladly trade him for one or more of the NEW charactors in the set. A new Apocalypse I will take cause he needs an update. I have playable Spiderman's & DO NOT need any more.

[Artie Deco]

I collect charactors so this is good news to me who's tired of a Spiderman in every set. Look at the bright side, there are people like me who will gladly trade him for one or more of the NEW charactors in the set. A new Apocalypse I will take cause he needs an update. I have playable Spiderman's & DO NOT need any more.
Cool. If I pull an Apocalypse I'll PM you for a trade. ;)

[qc_mohawks]

Wow!

I can hardly wait to get three commons in every pack I buy... :tired:

LOL.....

I am SERIOUSLY considering just buying a complete set from eBay instead of buying a brick or case......

I think maybe alot of us should keep track on how much it takes to fill a complete set vs the cost of pre-made sets that will sell on eBay.

[Shango]

Yes - finally a Spier-man with 18 defence and super-senses! That has been a long time coming.

I was hoping for more of those clicks - sort of in the mold of Mr. Miracle - but its a start.

[clickin']

YEAH! New $10 packs are AWESOME! thanks for the unbiased reminder!! I love wastin' cash!

[da-Craig-O]

So, who's impressed with the sculpt? Like, really impressed?

Cause that's a Super-Rare, he's supposed to look better than everything but 11 other figures.

The figure itself is not that spectacular. However, with those arms on it, I'm sure that it is pricier to make as a fig. I thought that was the point of that comment, that the rares/super rares would have more elaborate sculpts and more elaborate paint jobs (ie - more cost to make). This makes sense to me because actual sculpt quality can be a bit subjective.

[Devon_v]

YEAH! New $10 packs are AWESOME! thanks for the unbiased reminder!! I love wastin' cash!

Why all the doom and gloom? The only negative I can see from the new distribution is that bystander tokens are really going to suck now that cardboard is 1:5 instead of 1:4.

Previously people were bemoaning that the "super-rares" would all be Zombies-rarity in every set, and now that WizKids announces that, no, it's the same as Uniques have been since Armor Wars, and that's a problem?

Yeah, you can pull three commons. Buy an Origin booster and you can pull two commons, and your rare doesn't even have to be a good piece. The fifth slot is a roll of the dice, at worst your booster is a little worse than you can pull now, and at best, it's overflowing with high-value plastic goodness.

Yes, it does make set completion more difficult, at least without heavy trading or a huge (2-3 case) buy in, but if that really becomes an issue, as others have said, there's always complete sets on eBay, and with fewer figures and so many more dupes, they shouldn't be that hard to come by.


And as for the math indicating that there are more rares in the sets now, actually there are just many fewer commons. It's true by ratio that there are more rares, but there are actually fewer rare figures (28 vs. 36) to collect now. (I don't think the person who posted the math was implying that, but at least one reply seemed to interpret the data that way.)



And I agree, Iron Spidy's sculpt doesn't do anything for me. Maybe it will look better in person. His dial is borderline as far as bang for the buck, but Webbing really helps sell the figure. That's what I like most about special powers, the fact that being unique to a figure can give you a reason to play something you might not otherwise.

[bruce_banner73]

what about the les are they going to do that still

[Artie Deco]

The fifth slot is a roll of the dice, at worst your booster is a little worse than you can pull now, and at best, it's overflowing with high-value plastic goodness.
Oh my stars and garters. I can't believe you used the phrase "overflowing with high-value plastic goodness." :)

[BretSports2]

I'm not in the mood to read all 5 pages, so I apologize if I'm repeating ...

In the old system, 1 case = just about the entire set. In the past couple of years, I have never been more than 4-5 figs short of the set, and that is with getting all of the Uniques in the case.

Now, numbers wise,as I've seen other's write, 2 cases should net you a full set too ... with many, many more dupes then in the past, HOWEVER, with no direct correlation between two seperate cases, you could come out with just 6 Super rares and get the same 6 in the other case, so after 2 cases you could still be up to 6 super rares short.

In summary,

Old system 1 case = about one full set, not missing any uniques
New system 2 cases = about one full set, potentially missing MANY super rares and with many, many more dupes

ALL for about the same price (roughly).

Is that what everyone else is coming up with?

[da-Craig-O]

In summary,

Old system 1 case = about one full set, not missing any uniques
New system 2 cases = about one full set, potentially missing MANY super rares and with many, many more dupes

ALL for about the same price (roughly).

Is that what everyone else is coming up with?

I think that's fairly accurate. However, remember that the current 'super-rares' were the last 8 Vets in a set. In my experience a full case ends up missing between 1-5 of those depending on pulls. With the new set up you COULD be missing 6 super rares if you are really unlucky. In that case, you do have 6 extra super rares to trade with others.

The bottom line is we can all discuss this until we are blue in the face but we won't know for sure until the set comes out.

[Al_Mattityahu]

I'm not in the mood to read all 5 pages, so I apologize if I'm repeating ...

In the old system, 1 case = just about the entire set. In the past couple of years, I have never been more than 4-5 figs short of the set, and that is with getting all of the Uniques in the case.

Now, numbers wise,as I've seen other's write, 2 cases should net you a full set too ... with many, many more dupes then in the past, HOWEVER, with no direct correlation between two seperate cases, you could come out with just 6 Super rares and get the same 6 in the other case, so after 2 cases you could still be up to 6 super rares short.

In summary,

Old system 1 case = about one full set, not missing any uniques
New system 2 cases = about one full set, potentially missing MANY super rares and with many, many more dupes

ALL for about the same price (roughly).

Is that what everyone else is coming up with?

What I'm getting is that a case of Avengers will get you all but 5 or 6 figures, unless there was horrible collation and you got a bunch of dupes.
Personally, I'm not the kind of person who buys a whole case in an attempt to pull 5 or 6 figures.
And lets remember that in the actual past, (pre armor wars), to pull a full set including all the uniques, one would have the same ratio of 3:1, i.e. 288 figures bought (72 boosters) to complete a 96 figure set. Of course there was always the chance that when you bought the additional half case, you would get duplicates of uniques that you had already pulled. Nothing new about random boosters there. Now with Avengers, the number of actual figures in the set is less, but we are dealing with the same ratio of 3:1 as in, 36 boosters is 180 figures, to complete a 60 figure set.
So it's good to remember the actual history about HC and rarity. Uniques weren't always as plentiful as they have been since Armor Wars.

[DarthZaius]

Bah. Hooray for 18 SS, but there is no room in my inner geek's heart for any love of that wicked retahded Tony Stark-or-whatever-the-hell-it-is costume.

[adamical]

Man, where's Tidge when you need him?

This is very good news to me, much better than I feared.

This will make things a little harder than AW-OR, but easier than pre-AW.

One case of 20 boosters will net you about 2 and a half sets of the commons (ie, either 2 or 3 of each common),
a set and a half of uncommons (all the uncommons plus dupes of about half)
all the rares plus 4 extras,
and half the Super-Rares.

This of course assumes good distribution. What this means, though, is if you buy two bricks or a case, you should have enough trade fodder to complete your set of commons, uncommons, and rares, and also have half the super-rares. This means you'll have to trade/ebay half the super-rares, or buy more boosters.

This is equivalent to the olden days, when there were 8 uniques per case, and you probably got duplicates. If you were lucky, you would only have to buy 4 extra uniques; if you were unlucky, you might have to buy 6 or 7 extra uniques.

Now, my case is going to get me all of the figures except half the uniques. I can definitely live with that.

[adamical]

So basically my point is, quit complaining. 20 boosters now ($200, 100 figures) will get you to about the same point in set completion as 36 boosters in the old system (armor wars to origin, where you'd probably be missing 2 vet rares and 2 experienced rares) ($288, 144 figures).

[gambitrmp]

Cool. If I pull an Apocalypse I'll PM you for a trade. ;)

Guess I forgot to mention that would be pending I pull one. With all the remakes it looks like we're getting and the fact that I only play sealed events & home battles, I was considering going back to buying singles on ebay. I do kinda want to play in the COG & Starro events (assuming my venue holds them - it's small :rolleyes: ) so even I don't know how many I'll actually buy as boosters yet.

I'm sure you were just making a funny but since Apocalypse would more likely be in Mutants & Monsters, if I would pull a Spidey, I'd probably have traded him by the time they even make Apocalypse. Coarse I still have my Vet "Alan Scott" Green Lantern cause my judge forgot to bring the Supernova Thanos when I went to make the trade so who knows. The Supernova Thanos is cool; but part of me is now hoping to hold him for a(some) Avenger(s) charactor(s) I need at this point.

[Tarnish]

By Tuttle's own statement we should expect to spend about the same $$ to complete a set as before. Which would be ok if the set wasn't a third smaller than old sets.

Oh and online prices will probably be relatively higher as well because of the new Diamond/Alliance disto deal.

So more $$= same %complete of a smaller set.

I can smell the value...:tired:

Oh wait I forgot all the extra untradeable commons I'll have to make up for it....silly me....

Tarnish

[da-Craig-O]

I may be crazy and all that, but this issue of 60 figures vs. 96 figures doesn't bother me at all.

How can you not see that having an REV of say...Black Cat is almost the same as having 3 copies of Black Cat in Avengers? Go ahead and look her up, I'll wait.

Let's see. All 3 have a 4 range. 1 of them doesn't even have PC. Only 1 has the spidey team ability.

I understand that having those 3 makes it possible for some diverse options for theme teams, but how often do you see the rookie or vet get played. Even when Clobberin Time came out, how often were they used. Having multiple copies is so close to the same as having a rookie, an experienced and a vet that it's silly. This doesn't even cover the fact that you would have had 7 or 8 Black Cats in a case of Clobberin Time, it's just that 3 were R's; 3 were E's; and 1 or 2 were V's. For the most part, all REV's have the same sculpt, so the cost to produce is no different for Wizkids. This change means that you will have 60 diverse figures that could be used to play.

I will admit that there is a slightly larger cost here but I can easily see that this format change was necessary. We are getting dangerously near running out of quality characters for sets. They tried to stem this issue with retirement, but more needed to be done. Had they stayed with REVU then we would have had full sets of remakes and third tier REV characters. Now, we will still have remakes, but in a more specific way. "This Spiderman is from Amazing Spiderman issues #137-142 when he did this and that and this is how we use special powers to show that."

Also, we can have third tier guys like Bi-Beast and only get one, instead of an REV or being upset that he took a unique slot.

This rant is way too long, so I apologize. It's just that why do I feel like I am in the minority of people that see logic in this change? Is it just the whole "internet forum" thing?

[Kaitouace]

By Tuttle's own statement we should expect to spend about the same $$ to complete a set as before. Which would be ok if the set wasn't a third smaller than old sets.

I think that's based purely on buying cases though. If someone played it smart and bought one case of Avengers and got the rest through singles purchasing it should come out cheaper unless you got a real good deal for a case online. But if you go straight retail you can finish a set of Avengers with about 100 dollars less money spent than it would take to buy a case of older product (pulling every figure out of said case).

[Tarnish]

I don't mind the dropping of the REV system so much. And I know that a normal set of 96 individual sculpts would cost more.

I'd like to have seen something like a 96 fig set with 60 unique sculpts. Basically 18 REV sets. That way you could save them for figs that deserve an REV or for generics like the identical sculpts from Supernova that broke the REV into different type dials.

Tarnish

[Tarnish]

I think that's based purely on buying cases though. If someone played it smart and bought one case of Avengers and got the rest through singles purchasing it should come out cheaper unless you got a real good deal for a case online. But if you go straight retail you can finish a set of Avengers with about 100 dollars less money spent than it would take to buy a case of older product (pulling every figure out of said case).


It's possible. I freely admit that I just don't know and that is the cause of my worries. But this is the 1st time I've ever felt worried about clix in any real way. In many ways Avengers could make or break the game. Bad QC or Distrobution, or soaring internet prices are all looming specters at a very criticle point for the game. Any one of these if it gets bad could cause a disproportionently large loss of the fanbase because of the Huge changes going on. When change happens it needs to not be percieved as causing any problems.

Tarnish

[gambitrmp]

I don't mind the dropping of the REV system so much. And I know that a normal set of 96 individual sculpts would cost more.

I'd like to have seen something like a 96 fig set with 60 unique sculpts. Basically 18 REV sets. That way you could save them for figs that deserve an REV or for generics like the identical sculpts from Supernova that broke the REV into different type dials.

Tarnish

Instead of having an REV in one set, this allows them to space them out. 3 Spidey's per set is excessive. 1 per set is a bit better. Each "REV" can have it's own correct sculpt/outfit like the Supergirl LE being black. Who says this is the end of the "REV" system for charactors that deserve it? We simply get new sculpts for the different ranks and they don't all retire together. Done right this is a win-win. No REV's for people who don't need it and you know people who do will still get it over time. See win-win (if done right).

[gambitrmp]

Thinking "outside the box" about what might be in the box.

They told us there would be 60 different sculpts per set (not charactors right?). Who's to say we won't see something like Mohawk AOA Storm and Silver suited Storm in the same set?? We've had an REV and unique Superman in the same set haven't we? To me a scary thought, to some probably a cool thought. Just throwing the idea out there.

You know - expect anything.

[earinfection]

For those who like 'correct' figures its gonna be cool having the clix match up to story lines..

Captain Universe/Spidey anyone? I'd love it!!

Magik mini series had all the X-Men.. UNDEAD..

Golden Oldie.. 'nuff said..

[gambitrmp]

I was looking over the Infinity Challenge list. 1/2 the uniques were simply remakes of REV charactors - Wasp, Cap A, Juggernaut, Prof X, Spidey, Electra. Now we have Mallah & the Brain & Super Apes. We've come a long way & apparently I've got monkeys on the brain. :laugh: :cheeky: :p

[rwint1968]

New Rarity = Meh
Iron Spider-Man Sculpt = Meh
Iron Spider-Man's Dial = Nice!

I'm going to have to see how many dupes I end up with from a brick of Avengers before I make ANY kind of judgement on the new rarity and distribution of heroclix. Iron Spidey's sculpt could have been better (can you say "broken arms") but the dial looks pretty useful. And Spidey's white power "webbing" is sweet. Keep em coming WK.

Thanks,
:cool:

[Devon_v]

I'm going to have to see how many dupes I end up with from a brick of Avengers before I make ANY kind of judgement on the new rarity and distribution of heroclix. Iron Spidey's sculpt could have been better (can you say "broken arms") but the dial looks pretty useful.

I think Spidey will be packaged like Hawkman was. Origin made some major strides to eliminate broken figures. The curious thing is that the MageKnight figures used to be packed that way, with many custom shells for any oddly-shaped figures, and it's about time they started doing it again for HeroClix.