The Trophy Room: Alan Scott

[ol_Dut]

http://www.hcrealms.com/gallery/data/500/Alan_scottpic.jpg
So this is what “blackest night” looks like…


It’s taken us six DC expansions to finally get the very first Green Lantern – Alan Scott. A founding member of the JSA, Alan gets the full treatment in Origin, with an REV and an LE. Should he see the brightest day of game play or remain in the blackest night of the tacklebox? No LE shall escape my sight, so click on in here to see who really has the power of Green Lantern’s light!

Please click on Read More to do just that.

[ol_Dut]

Here are the dials for Alan and E Sentinel

#208 LE Alan Scott
Team: Green Lantern
Range: 10 /
Points: 171
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#077 E Sentinel
Team: Mystic
Range: 10 /
Points: 158
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http://www.hcrealms.com/units/or077.jpg
Looking directly at this sculpt can cause blindness, madness and patchy hair loss.

Alan Scott’s Gains vs. Experienced Sentinel
For starters, Alan adds a bit of mobility by taking his number of Running Shot clicks from two to four. His attack gets a boost as well with an additional click of 10 attack, a solo click of Telekinesis, and one more of Energy Explosion. Rounding out his additions, he’s acquires one click of Invulnerability, one more of Toughness, and an extra shot of two (2) damage. And last but not least, beware his power, Green Lantern’s TA. For nearly a 20 point increase over the Sentinel, you’d think there would be more.

Alan Scott’s Losses vs. Experienced Sentinel
Somehow, in order to pay for the short list of increases listed above, Alan has to get rid of some of what the Sentinel has. Gone are the Mystics TA, Defend, Phasing, and that impressive 18 Defense. Energy Shield/Deflection, Barrier, and Ranged Combat Expert all shrink by one click. Incapacitate takes a huge hit as three clicks of the power fall by the wayside.

Neutral Dial Tinkering
None really.

Cards that Work
OK, quiz time. Don’t worry, it’s only two questions, but if you get them wrong, your membership level will be reduced to “Lead Status” – which means you can only pm your mom and every bit of HCRealms content will be displayed for you in Sanskrit instead of the language of your choice. Ready to play? Good.

1. Should feats be assigned to Alan Scott?
A. Yes, because feats can make any character better.
B. Yes, because everybody else pile feats on figures and I’ll feel like a dope if I don’t do it too.
C. No, because Alan is perfect just the way WizKids made him.
D. No, because this guy is way too expensive the way he is.

2. If one were to assign feats to Alan Scott, which ones should they be? (Choose all that apply.)
A. Trick Shot (‘cuz of his RCE)
B. Stunning Blow (Incap & 3 damage! Woot!)
C. Construct. Because all GL’s must have construct.
D. All of the above.
E. None of the above.

Answers.
Whether you’re cheating or just checking to see how you did, here you go.

1. Should feats be assigned to Alan Scott?
A. Yes, because feats can make any character better.
B. Yes, because everybody else pile feats on figures and I’ll feel like a dope if I don’t do it too.
C. No, because Alan is perfect just the way WizKids made him.
D. No, because this guy is way too expensive the way he is. That’s right. He’s 171 points already and piling more points on him via feats is only going to help your opponent. And if you really want to do that, just say “Pass” as quickly as you can when it’s your turn.

2. If one were to assign feats to Alan Scott, which ones should they be? (Choose all that apply.)
A. Trick Shot (‘cuz of his RCE)
B. Stunning Blow (Incap & 3 damage! Woot!)
C. Construct. Because all GL’s must have construct.
D. All of the above.
E. None of the above.

“D. All of the above” is the correct answer. It isn’t the best decision in the world to tack feats on Alan, but if one was to do it, these would be the ones to consider first for the brief reasons listed.

If ol_Dut had to Choose
Alan Scott vs. Experienced Sentinel? I’ve been dreading this review. I haven’t wanted to write it at all. Why? Well, this is a figure that I really wanted to like and I just can’t. For 171 points I need at lead one click of 11 attack, preferably more, and a 12 would be nice, too. He doesn’t have it. I’d like him to be able to damage a figure with Invulnerability on his first click. If he uses Running Shot, which I kinda want to do, he can’t. I need to see some great damage reducing capabilities. On five of his eight clicks he’s going to have to eat every click that comes his way. I also want more than nine or more clicks of life. Alan is stuck at eight (8). And if that weren’t enough, his sculpt is so horribly disproportionate I can’t abide the sight of it. Maybe he excaped from HorrorClix's Freakshow. Maybe he's DC's first Hero/Horror figure. Whatever he is, he hurts my eyes to see him. I could go on, but it’s just too depressing.

Not that the Sentinel is much better. For a few less points he’s almost as sad. His only saving graces are that 18 Defend, starting three damage, and the Mystics TA. Truth be told however, it’s not enough to warrant fielding him and he falls much to easily. And the Vet, oh woe is the poor Vet. Veteran Green Lantern should never be played by anyone ever. Who knew that this GL got more inept as he became more experienced?


What are we left with when this Green Lantern mess is all said and done? The Rookie. Running Shot, 10 attack and three (3) damage on his first click. ES/D to keep him from being hit. Three clicks of three (3) damage and two of RCE, he’s a slick little package at 85 points. Whenever an old school GL is needed, Rookie Green Lantern is going to get the call every single time. The E,V, and LE can enjoy their new careers as professional dust collectors.

Quick and Dirty Price Tag
Alan Scott is currently fetching $20 or more. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen in a while. Since he’s far from playable, it has to be some bizarre collectibility angle driving his price. If you don’t win him, and since 99.9% of the ‘Clix population will never be inspired to play him, wait until his price drops 50 to 75% before buying or trading for him. You’ll be glad you did. I’m waiting for him to hit that $5 mark myself.

That’s all for this week. Thanks for reading. Next week? Cassie!

[4RAGER]

He's a half way decent figure...

... with one of THE worst sculpts ever.

fo-sho.

[mike_houghton]

agreed.....

[Jawapimp]

Out of all the Alan Scott GL's the rookie is the best.

Out of all the GL's, Alan Scott's is the worst.

[Aileo]

Bleh I don't like how they did this Alan Scott/Green Lantern at All!

But in all fairness I do like the Rookie on a JSA Team With Stunning Blow.... but that's about it!

171 WAY over Priced, looks like a Veteran Bullseye could take him out,
man just Ch'p it up a notch!

-Eric Hutt

[anonym0use]

Agreed for the most part.

It's hard to compare two figures with drastically different TAs (which, incidentally, seems to be the reason driving the price up on the LE).

The E has a place on Mystics theme teams, where most of the Mystics figures pre-Collateral Damage have Defenses <= 16. If the E had opening TK, he would really shine.

As stated, the Rookie is the best of 'em all.

[ShellShock]

Too true...

I would play the LE, but that would only be on Green Lantern teams (and I do play teams with all pieces have the GL symbol...even rookie Jon Stewart.)

I have used the Vet before in a "JSA only" event, and yea...his defense helped...and uh....well he missed A LOT of attacks. Nothing like seeing half your team go down in one hit thanks to a Vet Billy Batson

Great Review

[Ghost-x]

I agree O'Dut


For the rookie, the GL stands for GREEN LANTERN.

For the rest of them in origins, the GL stands for GREEN LAMO!


peace out

[KO Bossy]

I could see him being quite useful in the 130-150 pts range. But at 171?! Yikes. Oh well, at least he's not as overcosted as other fellow Green Lanterns of past *cough* PARALLAX *cough*

Still though, Ill stick with my CD V Kyle Rayner GL. CD V Green Lantern and Unl V Hal Jordan are still IMO the most playable Green Lanterns out there:cool:

[Wolverine_Hulk]

Great Review!

I only have the E. I like him the best because I have always loved my Sentinels.

[St. Cuthbert]

I got the quiz wrong :cry: :( :cry:

[biz567]

Good review. I bet this was a hard one to do, because these figures really aren't that great. It's a huge disapointment Alan is like this, and many fans of him were hoping they could use him instead of having to use KC GL all the time. Ah well.

[CornsilkSW]

yeah, Lukas Little should have lost his job in the art department for those sculpts (GL and Martian Manhunter) I'm sure they have an unpaid intern who could do a better job, and would be eager to take his place.

[malakim2099]

Well, I used the E pretty well in sealed events... he did good things for my team at the Prerelease (went 3-0!), since that 18 Defend can really come in handy.

Though, yeah, Alan Scott is overall very disappointing. I like the RE, but that's about it.

[dantheman5999]

good review as always, but Alan scout is just too many points for me

[Doc Nebula]

Couple things.

First, I agree with everything you've said, and most everything previous commenters have said. I do want to suggest one thing, though --

All GLs are on Flight Stands. If you're disappointed in Alan's Experienced and Vet levels (and God knows I am) you can always switch his sculpt to a Hal or a John or even a ::shudder:: Kyle. (Okay, I admit it; I loathe Kyle, but Seth gave him some fine, fine dials. I may well put Hal onto a Kyle dial at some point, just because Hal should be able to do that stuff if he wants to.)

And, you know, you switch the sculpt onto a different base, you can give Alan the GL TA, too, which he really should have, since he's certainly been known to haul a few JSAers around with him when he needs to.

It's sad, though, that the sculpt you'd be shifting is perhaps the very worst sculpt ever done in HeroClix, yea, I say it, worse, even, than that godawful CT Thor or utterly 'tarded looking Archangel. ("Say," Warren said, picking up a flask at random while visiting Avenger's Mansion and taking a hefty chug, "what's this? Mmmm tasty!" "No, you fool!" boomed the Black Panther, sounding exactly like James Earl Jones, "that's Hank Pym's growth serum... noooo! It's TOO LATE!")

I do understand what they were trying to do with the sculpt; essentially, they wanted to recreate in plastic form the original style that the Golden Age GL was once rendered in, by people like Marty Nodell and Alex Toth (imitating Nodell's style). But Golden Age rendering was very two dimensional (for the most part, there were exceptions, like Al Williamson, just for one example) and trying to reproduce a two dimensional pencil and ink effect in three dimensional plastic is... um... probably not a good idea. As we've seen.

I'd like a MUCH better sculpt of Alan. I'll play the rookie without one, but he's the only version I'd ever put on the field... although I will say, on my recent team of Golden Age Superman, Golden Age Batman (actually, the purple ringed Free Comic Book day version; I haven't gotten one of the ORIGIN Uniques yet), Sandman, Starman, Wildcat, and the rookie AS Green Lantern, Alan more than held up his end... although my real powerhouse was Supes, who beat the Veteran Catman into a glue smear with one shot and then near singlehandedly took out Vandal Savage on the next turn.

And... hey, I hadn't thought of that. I could put one of those little Ultimates Sentinel sculpts onto an Alan Scott Sentinel dial, and get me a kick ### mutie hunting robot... with a Mystics TA! W00t!

[ol_Dut]

I'll play the rookie without one, but he's the only version I'd ever put on the field... although I will say, on my recent team of Golden Age Superman, Golden Age Batman (actually, the purple ringed Free Comic Book day version; I haven't gotten one of the ORIGIN Uniques yet), Sandman, Starman, Wildcat, and the rookie AS Green Lantern, Alan more than held up his end... although my real powerhouse was Supes, who beat the Veteran Catman into a glue smear with one shot and then near singlehandedly took out Vandal Savage on the next turn.


I recently played a similar "old school" team that did very well. It was:
NGN Wonder Woman
Origin U Superman
FCBD Batman (Origin)
Rookie GL (Origin)
Rookie Robin (HT)

Green Lantern eventually went down, but he dished out quite alot of damage before he did. I was actually really impressed with how he performed. In the end though, it was U Supes that won the day, and he shall henceforth be known as "He-Man Woman Hater" Supes from now on:laugh:.

[Mjolnir]

As a theme player..... he belongs in my box.

[Rurouni KJS]

I recently played a similar "old school" team that did very well. It was:
NGN Wonder Woman
Origin U Superman
FCBD Batman (Origin)
Rookie GL (Origin)
Rookie Robin (HT)

Green Lantern eventually went down, but he dished out quite alot of damage before he performed. I was actually really impressed with how he did. In the end though, it was U Supes that won the day, and he shall henceforth be known as "He-Man Woman Hater" Supes from now on:laugh:.

PAPA SPANK!

[Rurouni KJS]

Back on topic...aren't HC sculptors supposed to use little metal skeleton-frame thingys to help with posing and proportions? Then why does GA GL have completely different-sized legs? Ugh.

Alan Scott originally looked like the best of the set, but it really is the Rookie after all.

[Devon_v]

Back on topic...aren't HC sculptors supposed to use little metal skeleton-frame thingys to help with posing and proportions? Then why does GA GL have completely different-sized legs? Ugh.

I think Brian said they "usually" use one, but since there have been figures that were out of proportion and/or scale, I'm guess it's not (or wasn't) mandatory.




And this is actually our second version of Alan. He first appeared in Legacy.

[ol_Dut]

And this is actually our second version of Alan. He first appeared in Legacy.

Yeah, but that was KC stuff, which is kinda like Elseworlds to me and in my book that doesn't count.

[Zaq]

Yeah what's up with that one click of invulnerability? So strange.

[theanalogkid]

Good review as always. I traded my KC GL once I got the Rookie.

[samuraigrifter]

I'm quite disappointed with all the Alan Scott clix, to be honest. I was really hoping it would be good. Even the sculpt makes it far from redeemable. He's only useful for theme teams, but he's priced so high, you're better off with other figs that fit the theme, or a load of feats on all your other characters.

[SpaceGhost]

I'm glad Martin Nodell never learned how to play Heroclix. If he did he would be turning over in his grave. :sleep:

[George Smiley]

The original Green Lantern definitely does not deserve this god-awful sculpt and a choice of dials that range from poor to below mediocre. Like the dial on Parallax you have to wonder whether the dial as "hamstringed" on purpose. The selection of this sculpt and these dials is made even worse because their were several players who were obviously eager to play him and compounded by the character's prominence in comics.

Anyone familiar with action type toys, comics or gaming would recognize that the sculpt is wrong and should have been corrected. The proportions of the sculpt are off, the pose looks unnatural, uncoordinated and nonheroic. Every one of these original GL dials are overcosted.

[biz567]

Alan Scoot makes Parallax look like a god in terms of playability.

[Valtz]

Heck the rookie may be the best but even he's not that good. His attack values are way to low for a whole 85 points. Though he would fit nicely with JSA teams that's about it really

[tyroclix]

The thing I dig about Alan Scott is he brings the GL TA to the JSA.

Sure, some can swap in whatever they want - but I don't.

The JSA have a lot of non-fliers. Alan is a great way to tote them all along.

Yes this would be a much bigger game than your "measuring stick 300", but it is what it is. I can appreciate the flexibility having one character have 3 different TA's.

Gonna miss that come Avengers...

[MB7-TheFlash]

I gotta praise the Rookie, as he KO'd a Vandal Savage at the Origin PreRelease and those extra points got me into the top 16 :cool:

[tyroman]

I got the quiz wrong :cry: :( :cry:

*in best simpson's mean kid voice. "HA HA"

d'oh! I failed too! :confused:

They really shouldn't let little kids do the sculpts, even if it is bring your son/daughter to work day. :laugh: :p

[Armourgeddon2K]

I'm going to try the rookie on a 300 point JSA team with Sandman and Jakeem (in the abscence of Johnny) Thunder. I'll let you know how shared defence and two PCers goes.

[Slayer_Xtreme]

All GLs are on Flight Stands. If you're disappointed in Alan's Experienced and Vet levels (and God knows I am) you can always switch his sculpt to a Hal or a John or even a ::shudder:: Kyle.

Um..... acturally no you can't. Well, I guess if you were just having a casual game with a friend you could but you can't go to a tourny with Alan's sculpt on a different Lantern's dial. Its illegal to put a sculpt from one figure and put it on a differnt figure's dial because it can mess up people's strategy for the game. Yes I do realize it shouldn't be difficult to know Alan is not on his own base since he has an arch enemy base whereas other GLs don't but if you were to say put V Hal on V Kyle's base for whatever reason then you run into possible issues because if you don't think to check to make sure its acturally Hal's dial your gonna be moving based on a 10 range only to have your main gun getting nailed because your dealing with a 12 range.

[Doc Nebula]

Um..... acturally no you can't. Well, I guess if you were just having a casual game with a friend you could but you can't go to a tourny with Alan's sculpt on a different Lantern's dial. Its illegal to put a sculpt from one figure and put it on a differnt figure's dial because it can mess up people's strategy for the game. Yes I do realize it shouldn't be difficult to know Alan is not on his own base since he has an arch enemy base whereas other GLs don't but if you were to say put V Hal on V Kyle's base for whatever reason then you run into possible issues because if you don't think to check to make sure its acturally Hal's dial your gonna be moving based on a 10 range only to have your main gun getting nailed because your dealing with a 12 range.

First, I understand your point. I apologize for being unclear. Any advice I give people in regard to HeroClix will always be meant to be applied in a non-tournament, fun-games-only context, as I avoid tournaments like a particularly virulent strain of botulism.

Having said that, personally, I think it would be cool if tournament rules allowed this kind of substitution. Your complaint as regards somebody not looking closely at the base of a particular Green Lantern put on the board, and then assuming it was a different GL's stats they were playing against and making a mistake, sounds to me like an excellent strategy that will only work against a lazy or at least very unobservant player. There aren't very many characters where this would work -- in fact, I think Superman and Green Lantern are among the very few -- maybe you could switch Dr. Fate sculpts around, too, if the ORIGIN LE says 'DR FATE' on it, I can't remember -- but personally, I would say it is on my opponent to look closely and confirm that my Hal Jordan sculpt is sitting on what he thinks of as a Hal Jordan base. After all, there's no reason in the world Hal shouldn't be able to do anything any Green Lantern base in the game can do. If my opponent doesn't trouble to make sure of his or her facts, well, that's on them.

One of the things that I think HeroClix lacks is any element of surprise. Experienced players have all the dials memorized; once they see what their opponent is putting out, they know exactly what to expect during the game. I think it would be cool if you were allowed to misdirect your opponents like this. Now, I don't think you should be allowed to put, say, a Hypertime Booster Gold sculpt on a Vet ICONS Superman base to see if you can fool anybody with it, but, hey, putting a HT BG on an ORIGIN BG base should be legitimate. I mean, it's the sort of thing that Batman would do to get an edge...

[nevismusic]

although i've done well with the V, i have to admit the alan scott EV and LE were all a big disappointment. the R is good for the points and fun to play on JSA teams but i just don't get why they made such lackluster and/or expensive dials for the other levels. their combat values are completely average and the point values for each rank suggests some 11 attacks, at least on the V, higher damage and maybe a higher defense on the V.

honestly, the LE dial looks good for about 50 points CHEAPER. even then it's kind of a generic GL collectors set dial or something.

my biggest issue is that none of his versions get double targets which is what's really needed to make use of all the, apparently, expensive clicks of incap and energy explosion he has. seriously, how many times in the average issue of JSA does GL blast two separate targets or GROUPS of enemies at once? trap a couple guys at once? yet that isn't what we get here at all.

[spider_ham]

The Alan Scott GL has to be the biggest letdown in 'clix history (besides Parallax). I only have the R, and even then, don't play him...not even on a JSA theme team! :(

[Doc Nebula]

The Alan Scott GL has to be the biggest letdown in 'clix history (besides Parallax). I only have the R, and even then, don't play him...not even on a JSA theme team! :(

The history of HeroClix encompasses a lot of disappointment, though... let's cast our minds back to the Hypertime Superman, just for one example, or the CT Hawkeye. More recently, there's the Swordsman... the greatest master of the blade in the Marvel Universe, and he can't even get a lousy 10 AV on his Vet level, when the IC Taskmaster starts out with a 12. I mean, WTF, dude?

And then there's the Hulk, whom most people feel has yet to get a reasonable plastic representation, even with 15 or so separate dials. (The problem with the Hulk, IMHO, is not so much with his dials as it is with WK's underlying rules structure. The Hulk needs both Leap-Climb AND some way to move and attack in the same turn... if there was ever a character that leaps on an opponent and smashes that opponent into goo simultaneously, it's the Hulk. POUNCE doesn't work for him, because it won't let him Leap and Attack at the same time, and it fizzles out when he gets to a 3 or higher Damage Value... you just can't create an accurate clix version Hulk under WK's rules, it seems like. Whereas under my House Rules, even the IC Hulk works pretty well, when he can leap over next to an opponent AND pummel his opponent simultaneously every turn.)

The IC Captain America was a pretty terrible figure, too. Fortunately, we've since gotten a decent Captain America to make up for it (two, if you want to count the Ultimates Cap, although I don't, since I hate the Ultimates with an insane passion.)

And then there's a seemingly endless litany of figures that have been done horribly and never redone - the Kingpin, the Blob, Mystique... up until ORIGIN, Hawkman was a disgrace, too. And will we ever get a Jay Garrick Flash that has the JSA TA?

It always hurts when a favorite character comes out in clix form and their dial simply doesn't satisfy, but it's especially painful with Alan Scott. WK made us wait so long to get a Golden Age Green Lantern, and then when one did come out, well, you'd think that with a 200+ point value Vet version of a character that can literally do ANYthing, you'd get good stats, multiple range targets, and useful powers. I mean, it's not like WK hadn't given us acceptable Green Lanterns before, for far far fewer points. A 200+ point version of GL... especially the one with a MAGIC ring... that guy should have been awesome.

Instead, he's pretty much unplayable garbage... untradeable garbage, too. And that absolutely wretched sculpt just puts the cherry on the top of the b.s. sundae.

I honestly simply cannot understand how the same guy can produce the Vet GL dial from ORIGIN and the Silver Surfer REV from SUPERNOVA. Isn't there some point at which an intelligent game designer says to himself "Hmmm, you know, maybe it's a mistake to set up a REV of one of the most powerful characters in the whole genre where his Rookie peaks with a 10 AV and then his Veteran, who is like 60 years older and enormously more powerful and who costs 150 more points to put on the field, also peaks with a 10 AV? Maybe, if I do that, it's going to... er... HACK PEOPLE OFF? Especially since this is a character the audience has been screaming for since Cosmic Justice? Maybe I should rethink this..."

Switching to another subject entirely, I normally love Alex Ross' artwork (like everybody else, of course) but his version of Alan Scott troubles me. Alan is an energy being; he looks pretty much like whatever he wants to look like. Does he REALLY want to look like, I don't know, somebody's skeevie grampa?

[zero_cochrane]

The LE Alan Scott is selling for $20 US? Crazy. At least I know what to do if I win him - he'll probably be the first clix figure I've ever sold on eBay. I know that I would never actually play that dial.

The sculpt is ugly, but I've always thought that Alan Scott's costume is a bit ridiculous!

[Captain_Comet]

Yesterday I went to an event where this figures was given out, and everyone thought I was being a jerk because I said he's too pricey for a figure, than can be taken out a dozen different ways without giving it much thought. I still think its cool for collecting, and in an exaggerated game (1200 points), he may fit the bill.