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So, our next film, Classic or Crud, Hit or Miss, what say you ALL?
Our next film open for discussion, and ultimately an Overall RATING by you all:
TRANSFORMERS
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Let the discussions flow. Likes, dislikes, classic film or overhyped trash, and DONT FORGET to place an Overall Rating when youre done.
Its easy, just give a Rating from 1 (Jaws 4:The Revenge) to 10 (Jaws), and thats it. Course I'd love to have you all give reasons as to why you feel it deserves this Overall Rating, and more than encourage discussions with us all about them.
So, what say you all?
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Well, what more can I say about this film that I havent already said in the Discussion Thread. While I didnt hate it, or this is was a horrible movie, I was very disappointed with what we finally go for a live action Transformers film. I felt it was too long, pretty stupid in several areas, and even quite boring here and there (and I dont have a low span of attention or anything). Many many things I would have changed to make a better picture, and this was pretty much what I expected when I heard Michael Bay was directing. Now thats not to say I didnt like a good amount of it (Peter Cullen as Optimus was awesome), and that there wasnt some cool scenes and mentionings here and there, though in the end we could have had a much better film, and that just doesnt sit too well with me.
Transformers - 6.50 / 10
I really enjoyed transformers, but let me elaborate a bit.
I took into consideration many factors before I saw this flick.
1. It's a summer action movie
2. It's going to have corny lines
3. It's most likely not going to meet hard core fans expectations.
4. Things will be different than what most hoped for
5. There's always some love interest
6. I could keep going but I'll stop
If you step back and know that these factors will be in the movie, you can get past them (hopefully) and really enjoy transformers.
I did think it was a little long, but it didn't bother me because they constantly gave us transformers action of some kind while trying to lay the blue prints for the story. I thought the story was decent, I liked the character interaction, and thought that Sam did well with Bumblebee, Prime, and the rest of the Autobots (kinda like Spike back in the day). I personally wanted to see more decepticons especially Starscream, but the scenes the decepticons were in were awesome. Great action all around.
To add I thought it ended a little quickly after all the action, that was my biggest gripe about the movie and the Linkin Park song at the end. But for what we got, it was very entertaining, special effects were great, Peter Cullen voice rocked (it brought me back to those days when I was a kid sitting in front of the T.V. watching Transformers), and it was plain cool.
Yes I could pick the movie apart in more detail of things I didn't like, or what I thought they did wrong, but hey news flash that's movies and it happens all the time. It wasn't a great movie it was a really good summer action flick that brought our childhood toys/heroes/entertainment back to some of us.
My rating 8.0
And hearing Prime say "Autobots roll out" was wicked awesome.
CarlosMucha
07/03/2007, 14:14
I love the movie.
I love the corny lines. the Special effect were just awsome.
the Tranformers are soo heroic.
This movie was great. I wish I have seen the Tranformers when I was a kid for enjoy this movie bether.
9.00
Trust me, I think the reason you enjoy this one so much Carlos is that you DIDNT see them as a kid. :)
CarlosMucha
07/03/2007, 15:34
Trust me, I think the reason you enjoy this one so much Carlos is that you DIDNT see them as a kid. :)
I'm sorry. I was more a Super Heroes and He-Man fan back them. :p
But yea, you are probabily right.
Rokk_Krinn
07/03/2007, 16:26
Is everyone remembering to give an extra .5-1.0 bonus points for the sheer awesomeness of a "Wrath of God" strike from an A-10 strike backed by an AC-130 Spectre gunship? :)
I think those should be in every movie. Just think of how much better "Gone with the Wind" would have been with a a "Wrath of God" strike! ;)
Due to Rokk's advice, I give this movie a 10.50.
Actually, I'll go with a 9.5, because I knew I was going to see the movie, and probably even enjoy it, but I expected to be let down. This did NOT happen.
Sam was a great character. It takes alot for me to get behind a character forced into a movie and having the spotlight put on him opposed to say, Optimus Prime. He was funny the whole movie and did an excellent job.
Bumblebee was awesome as well. I think the movie did a great job of blending action with humor.
Megatrons Dialogue made me smile. Maybe not the original voice, but they kept his personality pretty well. Starscream was a bit of a let down, but I'll survive.
I like the balance kept between the Transformers and the humans too. Its POSSIBLE for a full on brutal attack by the Government to take out a transformer. Otherwise theres no legitimate threat, and that would have taken away from the movie.
Overall, just really enjoyable, and it makes me want to see a second one.
Manchine
07/03/2007, 22:25
Just got back from the movie
I knew it wasn't gonna be anything like the cartoon. I am happy. I enjoy new takes on things.
Needless to say I loved the movie
10 out of 10. WOO HOO!
DarkDragoonX
07/03/2007, 23:05
Just got back from seeing this and I must say......OMG that was soo frackin AWESOME!
I remember watching the original show back when I was a kid and even with the changes made I still loved this movie.
And anyone else love the fight between Prime and Megatron? with the little hat tip to the Transformers Animated movie? "One shall stand and one shall fall"
I give this a solid 10 out of 10 in my book.
Antipathy
07/04/2007, 00:31
There were several inconsistencies/how did he/she know to do that moments, but some things can be glossed over while still having an enjoyable experience.
8/10
Mayberry Bat
07/04/2007, 10:51
Saw this with a buddy of mine last night. Both of us are from the old school from the G1 days. And I have to say I enjoyed the hell out of this. Usually I can nit-pick a movie to death (and I could here as well). But I really enjoyed this, even the changes to some of the designs of the Transformers themselves. I didn't even notice how long the movie was until it was over.
The build up to the Autobots was well done, I thought. And I'm not a Bay fan by any means. It wasn't the best story I've ever seen, but I thought it worked with this type of movie.
My only problems were when the Transformers were fighting. It was sometimes hard to distinguish between who was who (outside of Prime & Bumblebee). I wasn't overly crazy with Bumblebee "lubricating" on John Turturro. Frenzy/Soundwave bugged me a little bit, as others have pointed out how can a stealth/spy robot make so much noise? Would've been nice to have had Megatron in the movie a bit sooner (and how would he come back for a sequal?).
Could it have been better? Possibly. Could it have been worse? Absolutely, could've been much worse.
I take this as an intro to a new type of mythology of the Transformers. And by my way of looking at it that way I thought it was outstanding.
9.25 out of 10 for me.
malakim2099
07/04/2007, 11:37
My only problems were when the Transformers were fighting. It was sometimes hard to distinguish between who was who (outside of Prime & Bumblebee). I wasn't overly crazy with Bumblebee "lubricating" on John Turturro. Frenzy/Soundwave bugged me a little bit, as others have pointed out how can a stealth/spy robot make so much noise? Would've been nice to have had Megatron in the movie a bit sooner (and how would he come back for a sequal?).
Yeah, the "lubricating" of John Turturro was a bit too weird, and I agree with the fighting... but as far as Megatron coming back... Optimus Prime only "thought" his spark would be destroyed. Plus, for those that know the original G1, remember what was at the bottom of the ocean for the Decepticons? Nemesis! :cool:
And I loved Frenzy. Very cool to see him like that, the hyperactive little rugrat.
9.7/10
spacedye
07/04/2007, 15:09
I thought it was really... meh. It struck me as generic action movie, but with Transformers sometimes in it. When they did battle it was cool for a little while, but they cut too soon/didn't show enough. Example: (Spoilers)
The end fight. It consisted of Optimus being thrown by Megatron, and that's it? The love story was really lame and the only character I gave a damn about was Bumblebee, and that's only because he got injured. I also got huge political vibes from the movie, like it was a big stab against America/the Government. It seemed needless and detracted from the what was left in the rest of the movie.
I was never a big TF fan. That's not to say I don't like the franchise, I just never got into it. Overall, the movie was kind of a bore. 5/10.
X-Inferno
07/04/2007, 20:41
9.5 for me...
I'm 31, but I went into this film like I went in to see the original animated feature... like Giddy little kid! I thoroughly enjoyed the entire movie! Sure, if I had to, I could pick it appart piece by piece... but I'm having much more fun just enjoying for what it is, instead of hating it for what it isn't.
Is it just me, or is Optimus Primes voice the greatest voice in the entire world?!
Ok... here's my negative .5
The only thing that really bothers me, is Prime should have been the one to stomp the living trash out of Megatrons ###. I would have loved to have seen a shot with Megatron and Prime in a death grip with each other... metal crushing metal. Maybe then the Cube could have been used... I wasn't stoked on how the cube could release enough power in one direction to kill megatron, and not hurt Sam at the same time.
But other than that... hell, I loved it!:p
Rokk_Krinn
07/04/2007, 21:31
Ok... here's my negative .5
But did you remember to balanace the negative with the bonus points for the "Wrath of God" strike? :)
Think of it: "Citizen Kane", "Wizard of Oz", "Jaws", "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" - all of them great films (or tv shows) in their own right; now imagine them with a scene starring the awesome fury of a "Wrath of God" strike! :)
(I think Michael Bay may be sending subliminal messages through that scene)
Thanosguy
07/04/2007, 22:10
It was great! Easily the best movie of the year so far, and for me, is definately in my top 10 favorite movies of all times! And I didn't even know anything about Transformers walking into the theatre, other than the trailers.
10/10
spacedye
07/04/2007, 22:38
I'm both anxious and worried to see how Citizen Kane fares with this crowd.
Rokk_Krinn
07/04/2007, 23:25
I'm both anxious and worried to see how Citizen Kane fares with this crowd.
I plan on giving it an 11 but reducing a point for Orson leaving out the "Wrath of God" strike, thus leaving "Citizen Kane" - a movie I watch way too often :) - with just a perfect score instead of a dial going up to 11. ;)
Chief Pokishi
07/04/2007, 23:42
I haven't had enjoyed a movie like I did with Transformers since 300. This movie was off the hook. Having grown up and living through the G1 series, a Transformers live-action movie is complete nirvana. I went into this movie not expecting it to be anything like G1 though, so the movie was that more enjoyable since I wouldn't be nitpicking.
I can't say anymore that hasn't been said really but I can reiterate. The Transformers looked fantastic, I loved all the corny lines and I even enjoyed the romantic aspect of the film. Shia was just awesome and Megan is going to be one of the new "it" girls. Again, it was the big robots that made the movie. I just wish not only Megatron and Starscream had more screentime, but they were at eachothers' throats as was in G1.
9.25/10 for me. Love this freakin movie. Although, I was a little let down with the battle between Optimus and Megatron. It should have been cooler. Also, while he did form one, that is not the fusion cannon Megatron should have had. I literally took off the score since he didn't have a big *** cannon on his arm and raining death to anything. If he was going to kill Jazz, that's how it should have been. Cannon to the chest BABY!!!
CURRENT HCR MEMBER RATING:
TRANSFORMERS - 8.79 / 10
........I SO must have been watching a different from movie from you all. :)
(13 members rating)
X-Inferno
07/05/2007, 18:15
CURRENT HCR MEMBER RATING:
TRANSFORMERS - 8.79 / 10
........I SO must have been watching a different from movie from you all. :)
(13 members rating)
Maybe you just forgot to release your inner child.... :rolleyes: :p :laugh:
Trust me, if I let my inner child out any more than I already do, I would be too young to see a G rated film without a parent or guardian. :p
lensnart
07/05/2007, 18:37
I'm both anxious and worried to see how Citizen Kane fares with this crowd.
I don't think that you give the realmers enough credit, I think that we will find that classic fare will go over fairly well here, though I could be wrong.
Considering Casablanca is the highest rated RtM film thus far, Id say youd be right on the mark.......then again, with all the 9.50+ ratings Im seeing here for TF, Im not so sure now. :)
monkeyshines
07/05/2007, 22:34
It's dumb summer fun, that tacks on an annoying and pointless sacrifice homily. Gets only a 6 because of the blather.
ludd_gang
07/05/2007, 22:41
A mixed bag when it comes to the script, I none-the-less had a blast watching it. I grew up with TF generation #1 (I got my first when I was 8), so there's some bias. I give it 7/10 stars.
Citizen Kane I give 3/10. I'm only joking. ;)
CURRENT HCR MEMBER RATING:
TRANSFORMERS - 8.48 / 10
(15 members rating)
Rokk_Krinn
07/07/2007, 15:13
I'm tempted to give this movie a 10/10 just to up its' rating but instead I'll vote...
....Freedom! :)
Considering youve only read the book and havent seen the movie as yet, something tells me that Perfect 10 score of yours should wait on your end until you do. :)
Webheadman
07/07/2007, 18:50
I might not have watched transformers as a ki when it first came out but i watched the re-runs and i now have the old episodes on DVD and the old movie on DVD.
Personally for a transformers live action movie it was better then my expectation i expected them to totally mess it up.
I mean sure it had stupid one liners and such but basically all movies do nowadays especially summer movies.The only thing that i didn't like was optimus had an actual mouth and for some reason it felt that bumblebee should have been hotrod maybe just because he transforms into a hotrod i unno.
Overall i'll give it a 8.5 out of 10.
St-Dumas
07/07/2007, 19:14
I just saw this movie and I gotta say, it was a mixture of camp and badass. Some of the stuff was pretty stupid (Jazz being the token black robot who dies in the end), but the special effects actually saved this movie, a feat I have not seen done in years. To be short, this movie is pure entertainment, and I recommend it to anyone looking for a good time.
8/10
Bubblehead
07/08/2007, 01:45
Not much to say. It was a Michael Bay movie. Wasn't expecting much. Got the popcorn fluff with lots of bang 'em up moments. But I couldn't really tell who was who when it came to the robots besides Bumblebee......a couple moments actually hurt my eyeballs.
Having Cullen doing Optimus' voice though was a must! Everything else sound-wise was good.
6 of 10
monkeyshines
07/08/2007, 02:00
I mean sure it had stupid one liners and such but basically all movies do nowadays especially summer movies.
I have to admit that even though some of the lines were stupid. There were also a few funnier ones as well.
JackAssterson
07/08/2007, 17:59
It struck me as a movie made by someone who had Transformers described to them by someone who'd heard a description of an episode once. The essence of the characters was largely lost in the clatter of similar robots running into each other.
Some neat SFX, though.
5.5/10
bagman04
07/09/2007, 02:03
9/10. Hearing Optimus' voice brought back memories of my childhood. I felt like a kid all over again. The one movie that Michael Bay does not f-up is this one. I loved every moment of it.
Rokk_Krinn
07/09/2007, 13:08
One thing that's really surprised me is that while overall the soundtrack is pretty rocking and appropriate to the feel of the film - special nod to "Linkin Park" for using a riff of the "Halloween" theme - the one track they entirely mangle is "The Transformers" theme song! Seriously, it's always been a fairly fast paced nigh-metallic song...and the one for this movie is some laid back mellow tune that you expect to hear in a Boulder coffee house.
GroovyBoy
07/10/2007, 02:50
First of all, I will let it be known that I have been accused of being a movie #####. Similar to the way that a prostititute moans and screams that a customer is the biggest and best she's ever had, I've been told that I like every movie I see. While I'm not sure that's 100% true, I do tend to focus on things I liked in movies rather than things I didn't (I think it has to do with my training as a teacher). With that in mind:
I wasn't even gonna see this movie in the theatres originally, but my girlfriend asked to, and since I also have a good friend who is nuts for Transformers, we all went to the sneak. I'm old enough that I was a kid when the cartoon and movie were around (heck, I might have been a teen), but I never watched it; the idea of robots turning into cars and planes always sounded dumb to me. How about a robot that turns into a quality control inspector for a major game producer in Northwest America?
Even though this was a Michael Bay movie, my favorite parts weren't really the action sequences. Bumblebee was great as an FM Cyrano, and regardless of who voiced who, was the best Transformer of them all. I thought Shia LaBeouf rocked the shack throughout the movie, whether he was hawking his wares during school, failing to be a Lothario, dealing with his parents, or finally stepping up in his rite of passage. From the moment Shia returns home with the Autobots until Johnny T takes him into custody was a huge solid chunk of hysterical goodness. And it totally captures the zeitgeist of the age that a mother would casually bring up masturbation as a subject with her son. Also, I liked the way that all the characters, who started the movie far removed from one another, are drawn together just as the #### hits the fan.
At the same time, some parts weren't so good: I felt that Josh Duhamel's character could've been developed more. I felt that Shia should've said something (anything) in response to his girlie's comment about never having to sacrifice anything in his life (yeah, he references it later, but she's not there). That "peeing on the fed" thing was a little creepy, and Torturo hammed him way into insincerity. Finally, it did get tough sometimes telling one Transformer from another in their robot form during the final battle.
I'm gonna give this baby an 8.25/10 . I was entertained throughout, and that's gotta be worth a B.
I can't believe you haven't done The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly yet...
EDIT: I liked the "This is better than Armageddon" line. You gotta appreciate a filmmaker who can poke fun at himself...
Rokk_Krinn
07/10/2007, 11:14
How about a robot that turns into a quality control inspector for a major game producer in Northwest America?
Wouldn't work; the idea is for the robot to be -in disguise- and an actual quality control inspector showing up would stick out like a sore thumb. :cheeky:
GroovyBoy
07/10/2007, 17:14
Touche, my dear man, touche... :p
Probably the best movie I saw this year.
10/10
Maniac_nmt
07/14/2007, 00:27
I just got back from it, and I definately enjoyed it.
My only 'complaints' about it would be
a. No classic G1 theme song
b. Optimus says 'Autobots...roll out' when he should have said 'Autobots, transform and roll out'
c. Optimus should have beaten Megatron, like he used to do in the cartoon (Op always won, Megatron always had to cheat to gain the upper hand in their fights)
The good
a. Op ownzoring Bonecrusher. That was so sweet, and a nice nod to the energy weapons they used to be able to pop out of their hands.
b. Leakin' Lubricant! While he didn't say it the way he used to, at least Ironhide got to say his catch phrase
c. Special effects - wow, just wow
d. A-10 and Spectre AC gunship working over a Decepticon....The firepower on these things is SICK
e. Bumblebee getting to mix it up, and be useful for a change
f. Cullen's voice for Optimus, yay!
Overall I'd give it an 8.5/10
lensnart
07/15/2007, 14:14
Spoilers:
But they may help you to save two and half hours of your life.
What a stupid poorly written piece of trash, So what if there are fancy effects, there is no story at all. Every line of dialogue made the world a little bit stupider.
Hey didn't you just attack the top secret army guys who are also bumbling fools? Come with us to the secret base. We could show a story here but instead lets have 30 minutes of dialogue explaining what the story would have been if we had been bothered to include one.
It is so awful, I love that the army guys are just at the top secret base and when a kid that they have never met wants his car back (a car that nobody has any reason to believe is a good robot) they immidiately turn on their superiors.
The Autobots are shown to be ver,y very dumb as they fall about in the yard and then five minutes later Optimus has a soliloquy about protecting these poor foolish humans. Then when they know that they have to fight the deceptecons they go from the desert into the most heavily populated area they can find, that'll help save humans.
There aren't story holes because that would imply that there was some framework for the holes to be in, there is just a story void. We we're given no reason to care about any character at all, making the final battle just another 20 minutes of "look what I can do with a computer."
Oh yeah and what was with the whole, you once stole a car with your dad I can't be your friend thing, at least it leaves as quickly as it shows up.
The movie is like watching five year olds play with toys, the toys are cool but they more or less just smash them together, or worse make them pee and poop on each other and then laugh like crazy.
I think the only thing that made me stay to the final credits was that I really do like Shia Lebeuof and he is the reason that this movie gets a
1 out of 10
lensnart
07/15/2007, 18:36
Note to Manchine:
This is a thread to rate movies, what is up with neg repping me just because I have a different opinion than you, I thought your opinion was way off the mark but I have no problem with you stating it. I didn't personally attack you, in fact I have never heard of you before or read one of your posts.
This is all in fun, don't ruin it by being a jerk.
Manchine
07/15/2007, 19:58
Note to Manchine:
This is a thread to rate movies, what is up with neg repping me just because I have a different opinion than you, I thought your opinion was way off the mark but I have no problem with you stating it. I didn't personally attack you, in fact I have never heard of you before or read one of your posts.
This is all in fun, don't ruin it by being a jerk.
You rated it a 1. If you would of rated it just about anything else I wouldn't of neg repped ya. Thats not being a jerk thats me rating your post.
Maniac_nmt
07/16/2007, 00:02
There were several inconsistencies/how did he/she know to do that moments, but some things can be glossed over while still having an enjoyable experience.
8/10
I picked up the game for the 360, and it makes some things clearer (like why Bumblee Bee just happened to be at Bobby Bolivia's to "pick" Sam)
You rated it a 1. If you would of rated it just about anything else I wouldn't of neg repped ya. Thats not being a jerk thats me rating your post.
Not offense Manchine, I really enjoy having on board these RtM threads now, but neg repping lensnart because he gave this film a 1 / 10 is Way out of line. Dont agree with him then fine, argue with it here, but having a very different opinion on the subject of this film Hardly warrants giving him negative rep. Not cool buddy, and again while I do enjoy having you around these RtM threads, Id appreciate it if you didnt give someone bad rep for such a thing as a difference in movie opinions. Thanks.
lensnart
07/16/2007, 01:07
Edit: I was going to write something else here but DTM made the point for me, so I won't bother dragging it on further.
Manchine
07/16/2007, 09:35
Not offense Manchine, I really enjoy having on board these RtM threads now, but neg repping lensnart because he gave this film a 1 / 10 is Way out of line. Dont agree with him then fine, argue with it here, but having a very different opinion on the subject of this film Hardly warrants giving him negative rep. Not cool buddy, and again while I do enjoy having you around these RtM threads, Id appreciate it if you didnt give someone bad rep for such a thing as a difference in movie opinions. Thanks.
See I won't tell someone there opinion is wrong any more. I use to do that all the time and that caused a lot of fights here on HCR. I might disagree with it and I disagreed with his post entirely. So I neg Repped him, 90% of neg repping comes from different opinions.
He did a 1 out of 10. I don't care what reasons he gives. Stops self.........Like I said I don't do the disagreeing with peoples opinions any more.
People accept positive rep here why can't negitive rep be accepted?
lensnart
07/16/2007, 11:35
See I won't tell someone there opinion is wrong any more. I use to do that all the time and that caused a lot of fights here on HCR. I might disagree with it and I disagreed with his post entirely. So I neg Repped him, 90% of neg repping comes from different opinions.
He did a 1 out of 10. I don't care what reasons he gives. Stops self.........Like I said I don't do the disagreeing with peoples opinions any more.
People accept positive rep here why can't negitive rep be accepted?
This is a movie discussion thread where we rate and discuss movies, if you afraid of discussions because you always start fights you may want to go elsewhere, if you can't deal with opinions about movies that differ from your own you may want to go elsewhere.
Giving Neg Rep for giving a rating on a movie rating thread is a low blow, plain and simple.
Manchine
07/16/2007, 12:49
This is a movie discussion thread where we rate and discuss movies, if you afraid of discussions because you always start fights you may want to go elsewhere, if you can't deal with opinions about movies that differ from your own you may want to go elsewhere.
Giving Neg Rep for giving a rating on a movie rating thread is a low blow, plain and simple.
I am not afraid of discussions. Sorry but I don't start fights anymore. The same can be said about Neg repping you may want to go elsewhere, if you can't deal with opinions. Thats my opinion. Yet here you are slamming me for my opinion. Rep means nothing. I already told DTM I wouldn't do it again but we can continue talking about it.
So far you haven't been discussing the best movie of the year. All your doing is discussing the neg rep I gave you. So we gonna get back on track about the movie?
Lets just keep the Neg Rep to a minimum on these threads, OK (and by minimum I mean not at all, if you please - Especially for just having very different opnions for a movie, which is one of the main points to this series of threads anyway).
Manchine
07/16/2007, 13:45
I picked up the game for the 360, and it makes some things clearer (like why Bumblee Bee just happened to be at Bobby Bolivia's to "pick" Sam)
So spill it why?
lensnart
07/16/2007, 15:11
So far you haven't been discussing the best movie of the year. All your doing is discussing the neg rep I gave you. So we gonna get back on track about the movie?
Very well then.
All your first post said was basically Woo Hoo. Why do you take such umbridge to my rating? Why do you think it is worthy to be ranked amongst the greatest films of all time? What in your mind earns this film the 10 out of 10 that puts it on par with films like: Casablanca, Vertigo, Dr. Strangelove and Annie Hall?
Manchine
07/17/2007, 16:23
Very well then.
All your first post said was basically Woo Hoo. Why do you take such umbridge to my rating? Why do you think it is worthy to be ranked amongst the greatest films of all time? What in your mind earns this film the 10 out of 10 that puts it on par with films like: Casablanca, Vertigo, Dr. Strangelove and Annie Hall?
I don't even know if its even worth it. Look at the reps to see what I mean. I totally don't agree with it.
I wouldn't put it on par with those movies. Those are more classics then anything. I would easily put it on par with Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Terminator 2, and Aliens 2. Which I would give all 10's to also.
I don't even know if its even worth it. Look at the reps to see what I mean. I totally don't agree with it.
I wouldn't put it on par with those movies. Those are more classics then anything. I would easily put it on par with Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Terminator 2, and Aliens 2. Which I would give all 10's to also.
One part of me wants to give you a pat on the back for thinking your above list (in Bold) are Perfect 10s (in addition to telling you to go and rate them on RtM as such), and the other part of me wants slap you upside the head for throwing this Transformers film (if you can call it that) in with them. :) But hey, you give TF a perfect 10, I gave it a 7, and lennie a 1, its OK to disagree with one another (in some cases like this, Strongly Disagree). Thats what makes these threads work, not just plopping down a number and moving on, but discussing it with all of us here.
Really, for the most part, I agree with everything lennie said about TF (though I wasnt nearly so harsh with my overall rating of it), and to me is was an overall disappointment (though it certainly had its enjoyable parts as well), and Im shocked its being rated so highly by so many of us here. Different strokes for different folks, its what makes the world go round and all that. :)
Manchine
07/17/2007, 17:19
One part of me wants to give you a pat on the back for thinking your above list (in Bold) are Perfect 10s (in addition to telling you to go and rate them on RtM as such), and the other part of me wants slap you upside the head for throwing this Transformers film (if you can call it that) in with them. :) But hey, you give TF a perfect 10, I gave it a 7, and lennie a 1, its OK to disagree with one another (in some cases like this, Strongly Disagree). Thats what makes these threads work, not just plopping down a number and moving on, but discussing it with all of us here.
Really, for the most part, I agree with everything lennie said about TF (though I wasnt nearly so harsh with my overall rating of it), and to me is was an overall disappointment (though it certainly had its enjoyable parts as well), and Im shocked its being rated so highly by so many of us here. Different strokes for different folks, its what makes the world go round and all that. :)
See I already know to not expect the same old same old. In fact I am very pleased they don't. Its the reason why I liked the FF, Avengers (Cartoon Movie), Superman, and such. Why would I spend any money to see the same thing I already have. Sure certain parts of the movie didn't make any logical sense. I would give Indendence Day 8/9 rating. Even though that had more holes in it then any movie I have seen. Thats the only reason why I would lower the rating. To me its still a good movie.
lensnart
07/17/2007, 17:23
Im shocked its being rated so highly by so many of us here. Different strokes for different folks, its what makes the world go round and all that. :)
Even though I didn't expect others to hate this movie as much as I did, I am also honestly surprised by how many 10s it has gotten. I really am curious, what did I miss? If I were to watch this again on TV someday what should I look for that may make me change my mind to at least a 4?
See I already know to not expect the same old same old. In fact I am very pleased they don't. Its the reason why I liked the FF, Avengers (Cartoon Movie), Superman, and such. Why would I spend any money to see the same thing I already have. Sure certain parts of the movie didn't make any logical sense. I would give Indendence Day 8/9 rating. Even though that had more holes in it then any movie I have seen. Thats the only reason why I would lower the rating. To me its still a good movie.
Keep in mind I didn’t say I was disappointed because it was different from the cartoon I grew up with, I was disappointed because I was expecting at least a decent Sci Fi film, and in the end didn’t even get that. And yes, ID4 was a “leave your brain at the door and Enjoy” Sci Fi film that I really enjoyed, much moreso than TF here.
Maniac_nmt
07/17/2007, 21:21
So spill it why?
Okay, spoiler away:
Bumble Bee lands on Earth, with prior knowledge that Sam Witwicky is selling the glasses (basically the Autobots discover this first).
Optimus sends Bumble Bee to scout it out, and hanging around the night before he hears Sam's dad talking about taking him to buy a car there. So, Bumble Bee goes there to be the car Sam picks in hopes of discovering where the glasses are.
He doesn't just randomly wind up there, he already knows Sam is going to be there, and that Sam has the glasses.
Manchine
07/17/2007, 22:18
Keep in mind I didn’t say I was disappointed because it was different from the cartoon I grew up with, I was disappointed because I was expecting at least a decent Sci Fi film, and in the end didn’t even get that. And yes, ID4 was a “leave your brain at the door and Enjoy” Sci Fi film that I really enjoyed, much moreso than TF here.
I don't know to me it looked scifi to me. Transformers were never totally serious. I for one am glad they kept the comedy they had when I watched it.
Everything that lensart said I disagreed with.
EmperorNorton
08/02/2007, 17:46
6/10
The effects were stunning, but regrettably not stunning enough for me to forget about the rest of the movie.
A wonderful way to spend 2.5 hours on a hot Saturday afternoon. just don't ask too many questions and you will be ok.
Like a lot of the Silver Age goofiness.... gold! gold I tell you! However don't bring your Dostoyevsky(sp?) to showing or you will be sorely disappointed. Also check any left-leaning biases... unless you're looking for something else to add for another 2 minutes of hate against Bush... subjectively speaking of course. ;)
8 plus 1 point for the "Awesome wrath of God' sequence for a very respectable 9.
malakim2099
08/13/2007, 14:25
Also check any left-leaning biases... unless you're looking for something else to add for another 2 minutes of hate against Bush... subjectively speaking of course. ;)
Um, that's a bit weird, since I lean pretty hard left, and I thought it was a blast, and pretty much apolitical. Unless I missed something... :noid:
I lean about as down the middle as you get, maybe thats why I thought this movie was meh. :)
KiwiGirl
08/26/2007, 15:00
Being someone who doesnt know too much about the Transformers, I went along to this movie very open minded and not sure what to expect. It wasnt bad, but it wasnt great either. I found it a bit too long for me.
Im gonna rate it a 6.
I've already laid out what I like & dislike about this film in another thread, but overall, a great action film with robots kickin' ###. Improvements could have been made, should have been made, but in the end it's an 8/10 from me and I hope for a better sequel.
Pashmina
09/01/2007, 15:58
Ok, I finally saw Transformers, after famously saying I hated it before even seeing it.
It was better than I expected, but with probably the worst reactions to anything in a film ever. Megan Fox didn't give a damn that alien megabots were going to annihilate the human race, and she just felt random being there.
The action was amazingly over the top, yet cool. However, the last like 20 minutes actual had me nodding off to sleep. Seriously. I never do that in films.
It was quite funny in parts, especially the interaction between Shia/Parents/megan.
I'd give it 5.9/10.
The best bit about it was the Garbage poster in his room.
(This was posted in Random Comments, but then realised I may as well post it here)
The action just doesn't make up for the glaring plot-holes/unexplained/confusing sections.
I couldn't tell any of the baddies apart, except Megatron and Scorpion-bot.
iameleveneight
09/28/2007, 16:51
Can I give this a negative score? How about a zero?
This was seriously, THE. WORST. MOVIE. I have ever seen.
Why do they let Micheal Bay continue to make movies and why are people dumb enough to like them. I could write an essay on how recidiculously bad this movie is, but I'll save you that and instead award it a .25/10.
I actually enjoy most of Bays movies, none of them great, but most of them entertaining in a fun hollywood blockbuster kinda way. This one though, definately on the lower end of HIS scale, IMHO.
lensnart
09/29/2007, 13:40
Can I give this a negative score? How about a zero?
This was seriously, THE. WORST. MOVIE. I have ever seen.
Why do they let Micheal Bay continue to make movies and why are people dumb enough to like them. I could write an essay on how recidiculously bad this movie is, but I'll save you that and instead award it a .25/10.
You couldn't be more right about everything you said here, Michael Bay makes Uwe Bolle look talented.
DocDoom187
09/29/2007, 23:19
Can I give this a negative score? How about a zero?
This was seriously, THE. WORST. MOVIE. I have ever seen.
Why do they let Micheal Bay continue to make movies and why are people dumb enough to like them. I could write an essay on how recidiculously bad this movie is, but I'll save you that and instead award it a .25/10.
Why was it necessarry to bad mouth the people of this thread, and those who enjoyed this movie. Maybe YOU arethe 'dumb' one, seeing as you're the first person I've ever heard who disliked this movie.
.....seeing as you're the first person I've ever heard who disliked this movie.
No offense DD, but this thread alone is Full of people who were disappointed to downright hated this film (I among them, though more on the disappointed side than hated).
Pashmina
09/30/2007, 19:23
Why was it necessarry to bad mouth the people of this thread, and those who enjoyed this movie. Maybe YOU arethe 'dumb' one, seeing as you're the first person I've ever heard who disliked this movie.
Art is subjective. He wasn't badmouthing anyone.
Your post made it sound like him having a differing opinion to the majority = offensive. Many bad things have happened throughout history because of that train of thought.
I personally found it to be the first movie ever to put me to sleep.
If I could, DTM, can I lower my score? It'll probably be my first film to gain a 4. I found it virtually empty of anything worthwhile.
iameleveneight
10/01/2007, 14:59
Why was it necessarry to bad mouth the people of this thread, and those who enjoyed this movie. Maybe YOU arethe 'dumb' one, seeing as you're the first person I've ever heard who disliked this movie.
Sorry you got your panties in a bunch there. If you like the movie then more power to you, thats your opinion and your right. That doesn't change the fact that I think its a poor excuse of a movie from excessive unnecessary comedy to beating a dead horse level cliches (come on, why is the only Autobot who dies the token black one?)
Again, thats just the icing. I could go on but I'll refrain unless anybody else wants to attack me for my opinion.
anonym0use
10/22/2007, 13:51
I finally watched the Transformers last night, here's my review:
The Transformers was everything a summer blockbuster should be - giant
robots, car chases, cool weapons, explosive fights. Watching it even
on the small screen it's easy to see that not a dollar of the rumored
$150,000,000 budget went to waste. Action sequences explode with a
mardi-gras of visual FX, a digital fourth of July to rival the best
fireworks shows available in "meat-space." The film begs for a repeat
view to catch all the deliciously crunchy tidbits you may have missed
the first time around thanks to Michael Bay's rapid fire film cuts.
The transition from toys, cartoons and comics to silver screen was
oxymoronic at best - some audiences would obviously have a hard time
following a storyline focusing solely about robot invaders from outer
space, and yet - giant robots from outer space that turn into Muscle
cars and jet fighters have such a kitschy-cool factor and makes for
great visuals that it remains an easy sell. The film settles on
makiing more face time for the humans than the TV series ever did, and
Shia La Bouf delivers as Sam Witwickey the average (if somewhat
quirky) teenager who freaks out when he finds his first car is a robot
in disguise, which leads to plenty of humourous moments.
To me, at its essence the underlying message of the Transformers
cartoon was always about environmentalism. The robots hailed from a
ravaged post-apocalyptic planet with metal landscapes scoured with
acid rain. It was hard to tell if their homeworld of Cybertron was
entirely covered by cities and highways but it certainly looked like
one big smog filled Detroit from pole to pole. The cartoon made it
apparent that there was a longstanding civil war between certain robot
factions, each side vying for natural resources. Ultimately this
civilization stripmined their planet looking to power themselves,
transforming their homeworld into one giant scouring pad in the
process. Fortunately (for them, not us) they ran out of fuel around
the same time that they came to Earth - where they found an abundance
of energy sources ripe for the taking - and take they did. And this is
where the movie fails for me - by not transferring this message of how
fragile our world is while glorifying everything "auto" from Hummers
and Tanks to Semi tractors and planes.
The movie takes place in several locations - a military outpost in the
middle east (where our country has a vested interesting in maintaining
a foothold on oil producing nations) to the melting polar ice caps
(whether good or bad, there's no mention of global warming by burning
of fossil fuels) to suburban America's obsession with the Automobile
(Hey kids! Get a car and all your problems will be solved!). Any of
these locations provide an easy backdrop for a number of relavant "hot
button" issues. Real world themes that could have been subtly inserted
into the background of the film - but weren't. There's no message in
the film stating that while we've been reverse engineering the robot's
tech for years (explaining a proliferation of technology advances
since the Hoover administration) we're in danger of terraforming our own
planet into the same greasy cesspit the robots hail from.
I'm not asking for an eco friendly hug fest of green robots
transforming into Hybrid fuel efficient vehicles, as much as I'm
saying the film steers clear of any environmental message whatsoever
(likely) thanks to "Big Auto's" corporate sponsership. Hard core fans
complaining that Bumblebee isn't a VW bug don't have to wonder too
long on the why's of this decision - Motor City has obviously spent a
lot of money on product placement with this movie perhaps to boost
flagging sales by glorifying the american automotive dream.
What's equally disapointing is mainstream America's ability to "settle" for this kind of entertainment. It's like we all know that summer blockbuster movies aren't supposed to be thought provoking and as long as the director blows some stuff up he'll make the audience happy - and we're all okay with it. That's all well and good, but for once I'd really like to have both thought provoking issues and awesome kung-fu pyrotechnic exaggerations please (see: The Matrix). It wouldn't have been that difficult to add a little more meat to the already bulging script by trimming some of the fat (scenes extended for no good reason). Some of the fight sequences dragged on a little long (and it was hard to tell who was who) to the point where I was numb and indifferent during the final battle.
The bottom line - It's almost a no brainer to see the paralells that
could have been drawn between robotic vehicles fighting for fuel and a country currently at war over natural resources, but unfortunately this isn't a thinking man's movie - so check your brain at the door and get ready to kick back, relax, and take a trip back to the 1980's for another high octane big, big dollar summer blockbuster.
I'll base a rating by averging the following formula:
Summer Blockbuster Quality (visual FX) 10/10
Intellectual Quality (script smarts) 3/10
Faithfulness to original Material (5/10)
- 0.5 for Ironhide's death threats to Sam's parents
Humor Factor (7/10)
- 0.5 for Bumblebee's golden shower sequence
Averaged = 5.25
Pashmina
11/04/2007, 07:29
I finally watched the Transformers last night, here's my review:
The Transformers was everything a summer blockbuster should be - giant
robots, car chases, cool weapons, explosive fights. Watching it even
on the small screen it's easy to see that not a dollar of the rumored
$150,000,000 budget went to waste. Action sequences explode with a
mardi-gras of visual FX, a digital fourth of July to rival the best
fireworks shows available in "meat-space." The film begs for a repeat
view to catch all the deliciously crunchy tidbits you may have missed
the first time around thanks to Michael Bay's rapid fire film cuts.
The transition from toys, cartoons and comics to silver screen was
oxymoronic at best - some audiences would obviously have a hard time
following a storyline focusing solely about robot invaders from outer
space, and yet - giant robots from outer space that turn into Muscle
cars and jet fighters have such a kitschy-cool factor and makes for
great visuals that it remains an easy sell. The film settles on
makiing more face time for the humans than the TV series ever did, and
Shia La Bouf delivers as Sam Witwickey the average (if somewhat
quirky) teenager who freaks out when he finds his first car is a robot
in disguise, which leads to plenty of humourous moments.
To me, at its essence the underlying message of the Transformers
cartoon was always about environmentalism. The robots hailed from a
ravaged post-apocalyptic planet with metal landscapes scoured with
acid rain. It was hard to tell if their homeworld of Cybertron was
entirely covered by cities and highways but it certainly looked like
one big smog filled Detroit from pole to pole. The cartoon made it
apparent that there was a longstanding civil war between certain robot
factions, each side vying for natural resources. Ultimately this
civilization stripmined their planet looking to power themselves,
transforming their homeworld into one giant scouring pad in the
process. Fortunately (for them, not us) they ran out of fuel around
the same time that they came to Earth - where they found an abundance
of energy sources ripe for the taking - and take they did. And this is
where the movie fails for me - by not transferring this message of how
fragile our world is while glorifying everything "auto" from Hummers
and Tanks to Semi tractors and planes.
The movie takes place in several locations - a military outpost in the
middle east (where our country has a vested interesting in maintaining
a foothold on oil producing nations) to the melting polar ice caps
(whether good or bad, there's no mention of global warming by burning
of fossil fuels) to suburban America's obsession with the Automobile
(Hey kids! Get a car and all your problems will be solved!). Any of
these locations provide an easy backdrop for a number of relavant "hot
button" issues. Real world themes that could have been subtly inserted
into the background of the film - but weren't. There's no message in
the film stating that while we've been reverse engineering the robot's
tech for years (explaining a proliferation of technology advances
since the Hoover administration) we're in danger of terraforming our own
planet into the same greasy cesspit the robots hail from.
I'm not asking for an eco friendly hug fest of green robots
transforming into Hybrid fuel efficient vehicles, as much as I'm
saying the film steers clear of any environmental message whatsoever
(likely) thanks to "Big Auto's" corporate sponsership. Hard core fans
complaining that Bumblebee isn't a VW bug don't have to wonder too
long on the why's of this decision - Motor City has obviously spent a
lot of money on product placement with this movie perhaps to boost
flagging sales by glorifying the american automotive dream.
What's equally disapointing is mainstream America's ability to "settle" for this kind of entertainment. It's like we all know that summer blockbuster movies aren't supposed to be thought provoking and as long as the director blows some stuff up he'll make the audience happy - and we're all okay with it. That's all well and good, but for once I'd really like to have both thought provoking issues and awesome kung-fu pyrotechnic exaggerations please (see: The Matrix). It wouldn't have been that difficult to add a little more meat to the already bulging script by trimming some of the fat (scenes extended for no good reason). Some of the fight sequences dragged on a little long (and it was hard to tell who was who) to the point where I was numb and indifferent during the final battle.
The bottom line - It's almost a no brainer to see the paralells that
could have been drawn between robotic vehicles fighting for fuel and a country currently at war over natural resources, but unfortunately this isn't a thinking man's movie - so check your brain at the door and get ready to kick back, relax, and take a trip back to the 1980's for another high octane big, big dollar summer blockbuster.
I'll base a rating by averging the following formula:
Summer Blockbuster Quality (visual FX) 10/10
Intellectual Quality (script smarts) 3/10
Faithfulness to original Material (5/10)
- 0.5 for Ironhide's death threats to Sam's parents
Humor Factor (7/10)
- 0.5 for Bumblebee's golden shower sequence
Averaged = 5.25
Quoted for truth.
I give it a solid 9, it sets up the story very potientially very good sequel.
Darkseid Sr.
01/12/2008, 11:21
9/10 Good acting, great CGI, compelling characters.
Normandy
03/14/2008, 13:15
9.5/10 it was a great movie. The obvious holes made it lose .5.
dragonknight
03/16/2008, 16:09
10/10 This is one of my favorite movies.
Well, Ive said it once and Ill say it again, I so must have seen a different TF movie than most of the rest of you did. :p
The BoyBlunder
03/16/2008, 18:25
Anyone notice how all Beachboys songs are about Cars, Girls, and Surfing? This movie is like a Beach Boys song without surfing.
I hate the Beach Boys.
Smurf Torch
04/06/2008, 17:55
I would give it a 9 it was that good
hated it, way too long
4.75
Just a quick note to let Everyone Here know that the Rate the Movies series is BACK.......oh, and youre all Nuts for giving this Fighting Robots shlock a 9+ score. :p :) So if youre a fan of Movies, and who isnt, lets here from you in our RtM threads, all with links from #198 to #1, so No More Excuses. :)
the itsy bit
08/07/2008, 08:11
a solid 9/10
where there bad things about this movie yes, but the good parts win out at the end...
Megatron why does he have teeth (for that matter most robots looked pretty bad) ?
Starscream why give the "rocket gun" the 2 laser-guns he has in the series is way cooler.
Optimus Prime I really like the truck with the " nose/engine" better then the other flat one in the series and he looked better in robot-form then.
the humans DIDN'T annoy me which I had feared.
Iron-hide gets his dues !
all in all a entertaining movie, hope the sequel (if any) will be better though !!
all in all a entertaining movie, hope the sequel (if any) will be better though !!
You aint kidding, brother.......but with Bay at the helm again, I have my serious doubts.
charlesx
08/07/2008, 12:32
6.5/10
Great special effects. Cool CGI. Hot Megan Fox. Standard summer brainless popcorn fare, otherwise. Fun to play on DVD in surround sound, however.
For anyone whos interested, Revenge Of The Fallen is now up for rating here. :)
Sweet movie. Great effects. Good story. When I first heard Optimus Prime speak, I got goose bumps. I haven't watched, or paid attention to, the Transformers since I was about 12, so as far as staying 'true' to the characters is concerned, I can't comment, but I really liked the way they portrayed them in this movie. The "Allspark' was a cool idea, and the realism of the robots was amazing. I loved the choice of Hugo Weaving as the voice of Megatron. (I picked up on it immediately) A solid first installment, of what I am sure will become a very good movie franchise. (Oh, and don't forget Megan Fox) Turturro was also very good.
9/10
Just putting a call out to anyone whos interested, that HCR Rates The Movies is back in Action! Our latest movie is Iron Man 2 (which is a bit late, granted :)), and please keep in mind we have a very easily accessed page at the top of that Forum to take you to ANY and ALL previous HCR Rates threads before. So havent popped on and had your say on anything we have listed, well Nows Your Chance!
Manchine
01/27/2012, 22:51
After rewatching this movie. I have to say 10 was a little high. I edit my rating to 9.25.
I wanted to make something clear. I was told at the time not to say anything but I think its ok to bring it up now. Some people took REP way to seriously. Which is the reason why they took away neg repping and then took away the points. Rep is nothing and some people just couldn't figure it out. Heck I was neg repped for being a pirate. I was neg repped a couple times for having a different opinion then someone. Which is what it was suppose to be used for. Heck I even got neg repped by a couple of people because of this thread an a certain Mod. Which I didn't care about at all.
I just had to say that, what after 4 or 5 years after it happened. =)
I wish how many others of us would reconsider their votes as well, WAY too many 9+ ratings for a movie I thought was just an OK action flick. :)
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