HCRealms Fantasy Football League - 2007-2008 !!!

[JacinB]

Are you ready for some football?

Well, quite frankly, I am. And, with training camps starting up and the season officially kicking off in less than two months, it is time once again to begin signing up for the HCRealms Fantasy Football League.

Now, as some of you know, last season we had two leagues because ... well, Stepper79 and I both started one without realizing the other had done so. This year, we're merging. So, you'll get all of the fun of Stepper's league with all of it's fancy, funny weekly trophys and all of the ... well, whatever it was, that my league had.

The full scoring rules will be posted soon. We will be playing through FoxSports.com. And, here's a quick preview of what you can look forward to this season:

1) Flexibility.
We're adding a 'Flex Spot' to the roster this year, allowing you to field an additional RB or WR each week to help your team out.

2) 'Big Plays.'
Your Running Back just broke off an 70+ yard run? You get bonus points. Your Wide Reciever just pulled down a 70+ yard bomb? You get bonus points.

3) Actually being able to pick up decent players.
Get shafted by the Live Draft last year and get stuck without a decent QB, or WR, or RB all season? We've got a fix for that this season. Here's how it'll work ...

If we've only got 12 players, we'll all play as one big league. That'll still leave enough starting RBs to fill every teams' needs and then some. There'll be enough starting QBs to fill two slots on every team and more. There might even be a few starting WRs that won't even get drafted because, well, we won't need all of them.

But, I think we'll have more than 12 players ... especially since we've already had more than that many express interest. In fact, I think we'll have more than 20 players, which means that not everyone would get two starting RBs, right? Wrong.

When we hit a certain point, we're going to split the league into two seperate 'divisions' with two seperate draft pools. In game terms, this means that we'll have two seperate leagues, playing in the same online system so that we have consistent scoring and such throughout.

If we hit that point, you'll be assigned to a league at random, but the leagues will be divided evenly so that we've got the same number of players in each.

But, you're wondering about how we're going to draft, right? How we can guarantee that you're not going to be shafted by a live draft, or by a pre-generated list of players that may or may not wind up getting you the players to fill your slots?

Here's the answer: We're drafting right here, on HCRealms.

We'll start on a certain day (like, say, perhaps, next Tuesday). Everyone will have the opportunity to see who was taken by whom. We'll draft via PM, and if the guy you want gets taken ahead of you, you'll get a PM back letting you know so that you can re-draft.

Now, keep in mind, we are up against a deadline. The season does start here pretty soon, so everyone is going to have to get their draft choices in on a daily basis so that we can keep things moving. If you can't be on more than once a day, you're going to still have to send a list of potential picks just in case someone drafting ahead of you takes someone you wanted.

(Yeah, it may not completely solve the problems we had last year, but it'll go a long way toward making sure that someone doesn't, say, wind up drafting the whole Chiefs roster or get four kickers and no Defense / Special Teams).

Sound cool so far?

Good.

Now, here's the list of people who'd expressed that they're interested in playing again in the thread from last season.
1) pbdeberry
2) Stepper79
3) Antipathy
4) Charaxes
5) lensnart
6) Frontman
7) Iceman425
8) Gacy's Clown
9) NAES72
10) KitsuShel
11) Dark Flash2099
12) biz567
13) armac
14) absolutvt69
15) JacinB
16) technohead
17) DeltaPi1049
18) DocDoom187
19) T.A.D.
20) mike_houghton
If your name's not already on the list and you want it to be, let me know. If your name is on the list and you want out, also let me know.

The deadline for saying that you want to play is: Midnight CDT on Thursday, July 26th.

Instructions for getting your division spot and draft place will be PM'd shortly. Drafting will officially begin at the end of next week, as soon as we get everyone sorted into whichever 'division' they wind up in.

Edit (7-23-2007): The names that I have recieved so far have been added. If your name is in bold, that means that I have gotten your draft roll successfully. If your name isn't in bold, be sure to get your roll to me ASAP. The draft rolls have all been entered into a spreadsheet for easy sorting and tabulation ... though, it's already become apparent that we're going to need a couple of people to roll another tie-breaker (or two).

[JacinB]

SCORING RULES:
General Rules:
Max Teams in League: 10
Divisions: 1

Add/Drop Rules:
Can't Drop List: Yes
Waiver Period: 2 days
Undrafted Players: Start on Waivers
Initial Waiver Order: Reverse Draft Order
Waiver Order Reset: Reset Weekly - Inverse of Standings
Weekly Waiver Rules: Place unowned players on waivers

Trade Rules:
Trade Policy: Process Immediately
Trade Deadline: Week 12 (Nov 20, 12:00 AM)

Rosters
Quarterback (QB) - 1
Running Back (RB) - 1
Wide Receiver (WR) - 2
Tight End (TE) - 1
Flex Spot: Running Back/Wide Receiver (R/W) - 1
Place Kicker (PK) - 1
Defense/Special Teams (DST) - 1
Bench (BN) - 6
Total Roster Size - 14

Scoring System
Passing:
Passing Touchdowns: 6 point(s) for each
- Bonus Points: +2 point(s) for each between 70 and 100 yard(s)
Passing Yards: 1 point(s) for every 25 yard(s)
Passing Interceptions: -2 point(s) for each

Rushing:
Rushing Touchdowns: 6 point(s) for each
- Bonus Points: +2 point(s) for each between 70 and 100 yard(s)
Rushing Yards: 1 point(s) for every 10 yard(s)

Receiving:
Receiving Touchdowns: 6 point(s) for each
- Bonus Points: +2 point(s) for each between 70 and 100 yard(s)
Receiving Yards: 1 point(s) for every 10 yard(s)

Miscellaneous:
Fumbles Lost: -2 point(s) for each
Offensive Fumble Recovered for a Touchdown: 6 point(s) for each
Any 2-Point Conversion (Rush, Rec, Passing): 2 point(s) for each

Place Kicking:
Field Goals Made: 3 point(s) for each
- Bonus Points: +1 point(s) for each FG between 40 and 49 yard(s)
- Bonus Points: +2 point(s) for each FG 50+ yard(s)
Field Goals Missed:
-3 point(s) for each between 0 and 19 yard(s)
-2 point(s) for each between 20 and 29 yard(s)
-1 point(s) for each between 30 and 39 yard(s)
Extra Points Made: 1 point(s) for each
Extra Points Missed: -1 point(s) for each

Defense/Special Teams:
Sack: 1 point(s) for each
Safety: 2 point(s) for each
Interceptions: 2 point(s) for each
Fumble Recovery: 2 point(s) for each
Blocked Punt/FG/PAT: 3 point(s) for each
TD scored by Defense: 6 point(s) for each
TD scored by Special Teams: 6 point(s) for each

Points Allowed by Defense
+12 point(s) when between 0 and 1 point(s)
+7 point(s) when between 2 and 6 point(s)
+4 point(s) when between 7 and 13 point(s)
+1 point(s) when between 14 and 20 point(s)
+0 point(s) when between 21 and 27 point(s)
-1 point(s) when between 28 and 34 point(s)
-4 point(s) when between 35 and 41 point(s)
-7 point(s) when between 42 and + point(s)

Miscellaneous Scoring Settings:
Regular Season Game Tiebreakers: Use FOXSports.com Tiebreaker System
Fractional Points for Yards Gained: Yes
Negative Points for Yards Lost: No

Playoffs
Playoff System: 6 Teams, 3 Weeks - Top 2 teams get first-round byes
Start Playoffs: Week 14

[JacinB]

DRAFTS
DIVISION 1 DRAFT PICKS (by Round):
DocDoom187
1) LaDainian Tomlinson (RB - SD)
2) Reggie Bush (RB - NO)
3) Marc Bulger (QB - StL)
4) Plaxico Burress (WR - NYG)
5) Lee Evans (WR - Buf)
6) Chris Cooley (TE - Was)
7) Miami D/ST
8) Terry Glenn (WR - Dal)
9) Brandon Jacobs (RB - NYG)
10) Julius Jones (RB - Dal)
11) Jay Cutler (QB - Den)
12) Mark Clayton (WR - Bal)
13) Denver D/ST

KitsuShel
1) Larry Johnson (RB - KC)
2) Chad Johnson (WR - Cin)
3) Donovan McNabb (QB - Phi)
4) Clinton Portis (RB - Was)
5) Chicago D/ST
6) Alge Crumpler (TE - Atl)
7) Darrell Jackson (WR - SF)
8) Donte' Stallworth (WR - NE)
9) Tatum Bell (RB - Det)
10) Kevin Curtis (WR - Phi)
11) Adam Vinatieri (K - Indy)
12) Owen Daniels (TE - Hou)
13) Kevin Jones (RB - Det)
14) Brett Farve (QB - GB) [Auto-Pick]

JacinB
1) Shaun Alexander (RB - Sea)
2) Willis McGahee (RB - Bal)
3) Antonio Gates (TE - SD)
4) T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR - Cin)
5) Matt Hasselbeck (QB - Sea)
6) Andre Johnson (WR - Hou)
7) Thomas Jones (RB - NYJ)
8) Bernard Berrian (WR - Chi)
9) Rex Grossman (QB - Chi)
10) Greg Olsen (TE - Chi)
11) Dallas D/ST
12) Kansas City D/ST
13) Jason Elam (K - Den)
14) Santonio Holmes (WR - Was)

biz567
1) Peyton Manning (QB - Indy)
2) Marvin Harrison (WR - Indy)
3) David Akers (K - Phi)
4) LaMont Jordan (RB - Oak)
5) Jeremy Shockey (TE - NYG)
6) Santana Moss (WR - Was)
7) Jamal Lewis (RB - Cle)
8) Indianapolis D/ST
9) Joey Galloway (WR - TB)
10) Jake Delhomme (QB - Car)
11) Marty Booker (WR - Mia)
12) Greg Lewis (WR - Phi)
13) John Kasay (K - Car)
14) Robert Royal (TE - Buf)

Charaxes
1) Steven Jackson (RB - StL)
2) Travis Henry (RB - Den)
3) Torry 'Terry' Holt (WR - StL)
4) Marques Colston (WR - NO)
5) Philip Rivers (QB - SD)
6) San Diego D/ST
7) Vernon Davis (TE - SF)
8) Hines Ward (WR - Pitt)
9) Warrick Dunn (RB - Atl)
10) Ben Roethlisberger (QB - Pit)
11) Jeff Wilkens (K - StL)
12) Carnell Williams (RB - TB)
13) Randy McMichael (TE - StL)
14) Carolina D/ST

Iceman425
1) Brian Westbrook (RB - Phi) [Auto Draft]
2) Drew Brees (QB - NO)
3) Terrell Owens (WR - Dal)
4) Javon Walker (WR - Den)
5) Baltimore D/ST
6) Edgerrin James (RB - Ariz)
7) Deion Branch (WR - Sea)
8) Marshawn Lynch (RB - Buf)
9) Reggie Brown (WR - Phi)
10) L.J. Smith (TE - Phi)
11) Jason Witten (TE - Dal)
12) Shayne Graham (K - Cin)
13) Ahman Green (RB - Hou)
14) J.P. Losman (QB - Buf)

absolutvt69
1) Frank Gore (RB - SF)
2) Rudi Johnson (RB - Cin)
3) Reggie Wayne (WR - Indy)
4) Donald Driver (WR - GB)
5) Anquan Boldin (WR - Ariz)
6) Tony Romo (QB - Dal)
7) Deuce McAllister (RB - NO)
8) Benjamin Watson (TE - NE)
9) Jacksonville D/ST
10) Chris Chambers (WR - Mia)
11) Eli Manning (QB - NYG)
12) Jerious Norwood (RB - Atl)
13) Matt Stover (K - Bal)
14) Minnesota D/ST

pbdeberry
1) Willie Parker (RB - Pitt)
2) Tom Brady (QB - NE)
3) Ronnie Brown (RB - Mia)
4) Randy Moss (WR - NE)
5) Todd Heap (TE - Bal)
6) New England D/ST
7) Calvin Johnson (WR - Det)
8) Nate Kaeding (K - SD)
9) Alex Smith (QB - SF)
10) Braylon Edwards (WR - Cle) [Auto Draft]
11) DeAngelo Williams (RB - Car)
12) Jerricho Cotchery (WR - NYJ) [Auto-Pick]
13) Tony Scheffler (TE - Den) [Auto-Pick]
14) Chester Taylor (RB - Min) [Auto-Pick]

NAES72
1) Steve Smith (WR - Car)
2) Carson Palmer (QB - Cin)
3) Maurice Jones-Drew (RB - Jax)
4) Cedric Benson (RB - Chi)
5) Kellen Winslow (TE - Cle)
6) Vince Young (QB - Ten)
7) Devin Hester (WR - Chi)
8) Oakland D/ST
9) Marion Barber III (RB - Dal)
10) Vincent Jackson (WR - SD) [Auto-Pick]
11) Drew Bennett (WR - StL) [Auto-Pick]
12) Fred Taylor (RB - Jax) [Auto-Pick]
13) Dallas Clark (TE - Indy) [Auto-Pick]
14) Josh Brown (K - Sea) [Auto-Pick]

Antipathy
1) Joseph Addai (RB - Indy) [Auto Draft]
2) Laurence Maroney (RB - NE)
3) Larry Fitzgerald (WR - Ariz)
4) Roy Williams (WR - Det)
5) Matt Leinart (QB - Ariz)
6) Tony Gonzalez (TE - KC)
7) Pittsburg D/ST8) Laveranues Coles (WR - NYJ)
9) Adrian Peterson (RB - Min)
10) Jon Kitna (QB - Det)
11) Heath Miller (TE - Pit)
12) Ladell Betts (RB - Was)
13) Jacoby Jones (WR - Hou)
14) Robbie Gould (K - Chi)


DIVISION 2 DRAFT PICKS (by Round):
mike_houghton
1) LaDainian Tomlinson (RB - SD)
2) Marvin Harrison (WR - Indy)
3) Terrell Owens (WR - Dal)
4) Philip Rivers (QB - SD)
5) Kellen Winslow (TE - Cle)
6) Cedric Benson (RB - Chi)
7) Calvin Johnson (WR - Det)
8) Denver D/ST
9) Jeff Wilkins (K - StL)
10) Adrian Peterson (RB - Min)
11) J.P. Losman (QB - Buf)
12) L.J. Smith (TE - Phi)
13) Isaac Bruce (WR - StL)
14) Brandon Jacobs (RB - NYG)

Stepper79
1) Steven Jackson (RB - StL)
2) Drew Brees (QB - NO)
3) Chad Johnson (WR - Cin)
4) Ben Roethlisberger (QB - Pitt)
5) Willis McGahee (RB - Bal)
6) Hines Ward (WR - Pitt)
7) Pittsburg D/ST
8) Owen Daniels (TE - Hou)
9) Robbie Gould (K - Chi)
10) Chester Taylor (RB - Min)
11) Drew Bennett (WR - StL)
12) Dallas D/ST
13) Jacoby Jones (WR - Hou)
14) Tony Scheffler (TE - Den) [Auto-Pick]

Gacy's Clown
1) Larry Johnson (RB - KC)
2) Rudi Johnson (RB - Cin)
3) Mark Bulger (QB - StL)
4) Antonio Gates (TE - SD)
5) Andre Johnson (WR - Hou)
6) Miami D/ST
7) Thomas Jones (RB - NYJ)
8) Vincent Jackson (WR - SD)
9) Marshawn Lynch (RB - Buf)
10) Donte' Stallworth (WR - NE)
11) Devery Henderson (WR - NO)
12) Shayne Graham (K - Cin)
13) Chad Pennington (QB - NYJ)
14) Marcus Pollard (TE - Sea)

DeltaPi1049
1) Frank Gore (RB - SF)
2) Shaun Alexander (RB - Sea)
3) Steve Smith (WR - Car)
4) Matt Hasselbeck (QB - Sea)
5) Lee Evans (WR - Buf)
6) Alge Crumpler (TE - Atl)
7) San Diego D/ST
8) Adam Vinatieri (K - Indy) [Auto-Pick]
9) Donald Driver (WR - GB) [Auto-Pick]
10) Jay Cutler (QB - Den) [Auto-Pick]
11) Mark Clayton (WR - Bal) [Auto-Pick]
12) Fred Taylor (RB - Jax) [Auto-Pick]
13) Darrell Jackson (WR - SF) [Auto-Pick]
14) Dallas Clark (TE - Indy) [Auto-Pick]

Dark Flash2099
1) Clinton Portis (RB - Wash)
2) Warrick Dunn (RB - Atl)
3) Larry Fitzgerald (WR - Ariz)
4) Matt Leinart (QB - Ariz)
5) Greg Jennings (WR - GB)
6) Brett Favre (QB - GB)
7) Vernon Davis (TE - SF)
8) Oakland D/ST
9) Dave Rayner (K - GB)
10) Jason Witten (TE - Dal)
11) Jamal Lewis (RB - Cle)
12) Green Bay D/ST
13) Ahman Green (RB - Hou)
14) Santonio Holmes (WR - Pit)

T.A.D.
1) Tom Brady (QB - NE)
2) Carson Palmer (QB - Cin)
3) Marques Colston (WR - NO)
4) Edgerrin James (RB - Ariz)
5) Ronnie Brown (RB - Mia)
6) New England D/ST
7) Benjamin Watson (TE - NE)
8) Deion Branch (WR - Sea)
9) Marion Barber III (RB - Dal)
10) Steven Gostkowski (K - NE)
11) DeAngelo Williams (RB - Car)
12) Braylon Edwards (WR - Cle)
13) Terry Glenn (WR - Dal) [Auto Draft]
14) Troy Williamson (WR - Min)

technohead
1) Peyton Manning (QB - Indy)
2) Laurence Maroney (RB - NE)
3) Randy Moss (WR - NE)
4) Jeremy Shockey (TE - NYG)
5) Lavernues Coles (WR - NYJ)
6) Baltimore D/ST
7) Julius Jones (RB - Dal)
8) Nate Kaeding (K - SD)
9) Chris Chambers (WR - Mia)
10) Eli Manning (QB - NYG)
11) Tatum Bell (RB - Det)
12) Mike Furrey (WR - Det)
13) Kansas City D/ST
14) Randy McMichael (TE - StL)

armac
1) Willie Parker (RB - Pitt)
2) Travis Henry (RB - Den)
3) Torry Holt (WR - StL)
4) Anquan Boldin (WR - Ariz)
5) Todd Heap (TE - Bal)
6) T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR - Cin)
7) Carnell Williams (RB - TB)
8) Jon Kitna (QB - Det)
9) Tony Romo (QB - Dal)
10) Deuce McAllister (RB - NO)
11) Plaxico Burress (WR - NYG)
12) Michael Turner (RB - SD)
13) Jacksonville D/ST
14) Neil Rackers (K - Ariz)

KaineMak
1) Joseph Addai (RB - Indy)
2) Brian Westbrook (RB - Phi)
3) Donovan McNabb (QB - Phi)
4) Reggie Wayne (WR - Indy)
5) Tony Gonzalez (TE - KC)
6) Javon Walker (WR - Den)
7) Santana Moss (WR - Was)
8) Philadelphia D/ST
9) Alex Smith (QB - SF)
10) David Akers (K - Phi)
11) Kevin Jones (RB - Det)
12) Reggie Brown (WR - Phi)
13) Kevin Curtis (WR - Phi)
14) Heath Miller (TE - Pit)

Frontman
1) Reggie Bush (RB - NO)
2) Maurice Jones-Drew (RB - Jax)
3) Vince Young (QB - Ten)
4) Roy Williams (WR - Det)
5) Chris Cooler (TE - Wash)
6) Chicago D/ST
7) Rex Grossman (QB - Chi)
8) Bernard Berrian (WR - Chi)
9) Billy Cundiff (K - Atl)
10) Devin Hester (WR - Chi)
11) Ted Ginn, Jr. (WR - Mia)
12) Greg Olsen (TE - Chi)
13) Jerious Norwood (RB - Atl) [Auto-Pick]
14) Jerricho Cotchery (WR - NYJ) [Auto-Pick]

[technohead]

i'm in.. where do i sign up?

[DeltaPi1049]

Im interested.

[DocDoom187]

The full scoring rules will be posted soon. We will be playing through FoxSports.com. And, here's a quick preview of what you can look forward to this season:

1) Flexibility.
We're adding a 'Flex Spot' to the roster this year, allowing you to field an additional RB or WR each week to help your team out.

.
By that you mean a W/R right?


If the people here don't mind, I'm in, but I've never used Fox before. I got to check it out.

[DocDoom187]

Wait, so with the special draft if there are too many people, will there be like 2 LT's drafted? One for each league?


I'm kind of Confused.

[JacinB]

Wait, so with the special draft if there are too many people, will there be like 2 LT's drafted? One for each league?


I'm kind of Confused.
Right.

Two LT's. Two LJ's. Two Peyton's. Two TO's.

If you've got more than 16 players, someone is going to wind up out of luck as they won't be able to get the two starting RBs they'd need to field each week, and they'd just have to hope that whatever back-up they got would see some playing time.

This way, we don't have to worry that the talent pool that we've got to choose from is entirely diminished after the first couple of rounds simply because we're running a massive league.

You'll play against your 'division' opponents throughout the season and the play-offs (as, unfortunately, there's not yet a league vs. league option ...), and then -- though this isn't in stone yet -- the over-all league champion will be whichever division champ has managed to score the most points throughout the year.

[biz567]

Wait, so with the special draft if there are too many people, will there be like 2 LT's drafted? One for each league?


I'm kind of Confused.

If it turns out there are two leauges, yes there will probably be two LT's overall, but they will never play eachother(Unless there is some kind of playoff thingy) in the regular season.

[JacinB]

Alright ... I just got an 'un-signed' draft roll. If you've sent in your draft roll and your e-mail address is from gmail.com and begins with eck, you'll need to re-roll. And, include your HCRealms username this time. :p

[DocDoom187]

Alright ... I just got an 'un-signed' draft roll. If you've sent in your draft roll and your e-mail address is from gmail.com and begins with eck, you'll need to re-roll. And, include your HCRealms username this time. :p
What do you mean draft roll. I missed something :confused:

[JacinB]

What do you mean draft roll. I missed something :confused:
Check your PMs.

[DocDoom187]

Check your PMs.
Got it.....

[Stepper79]

signing in

[DeltaPi1049]

Right.

Two LT's. Two LJ's. Two Peyton's. Two TO's.

If you've got more than 16 players, someone is going to wind up out of luck as they won't be able to get the two starting RBs they'd need to field each week, and they'd just have to hope that whatever back-up they got would see some playing time.

This way, we don't have to worry that the talent pool that we've got to choose from is entirely diminished after the first couple of rounds simply because we're running a massive league.

You'll play against your 'division' opponents throughout the season and the play-offs (as, unfortunately, there's not yet a league vs. league option ...), and then -- though this isn't in stone yet -- the over-all league champion will be whichever division champ has managed to score the most points throughout the year.

I like this idea, though I still am a little confused if we are going to be running this through a service for purposes of stat keeping, point tallys etc.

[technohead]

rec'd my dice rolls and i am really to go...

*spikes the football in everybody face*

[lensnart]

I just sent my rolls and I know who isn"t picking first unless we are trying to get closest to one.

[DocDoom187]

i rolled high on my rol, and tie breaking roll, so i'm happy. Addai here i come!

[technohead]

yeah i ain't getting first pick either.. but it a decent number.

[Gacy's Clown]

Ok, I think I did everything right. Haven't checked my rolls yet, so I have no clue how I did. Should be fun once again and thanks for the invite!:)

[Charaxes]

I've never done fantasy football before, so this might be interesting...

I've sent my die rolls, and I'm very disappointed. I really want a high pick.

[DeltaPi1049]

Other than seeing Adrian Peterson use the NFC North division as a welcome mat, I dont really see very much exciting stuff this year. Last year had all the huge rookies, best draft class in years, this year its kinda just mehhhhhhh, too much off the field #### is preventing a focus on the real stories. Like how the **** the patriots ended up with Randy Moss and a VASTLY improved defense. Who let that happen? Seriously!

[DocDoom187]

I've never done fantasy football before, so this might be interesting...

I've sent my die rolls, and I'm very disappointed. I really want a high pick.
Well the last pick is better than the first.



So who's gonna be this years Jones-Drew???

[Gacy's Clown]

I don't know how many have signed up so far, but if this is going to be a draft where each person PMs in their picks, we may want to get this going as soon as possible. I only say this, because I did an 8 person NBA draft a couple years ago that took 2 1/2 weeks to complete doing it this way. In football, not only are we probably going to have more than 8 players, but there is usually more rounds to draft as well.
Just a little info from a firsthand experience on doing a draft this way that may help ya out. Thanks for the invite and setting this league up. It looks like it will be fun again!:)

[DeltaPi1049]

Yeah, im not sure what is going on here. Are we doing a draft via PM and then posting the picks on yahoo or ESPN or something like that for the scoring? I dont want manual scoring for the main reason that there are free services out there that can offer you exactly what you need here. But...if someone wants to do it, Im okay with letting them handle it.

[Gacy's Clown]

I think what we're doing is just doing the draft via PMs, then he will input all of the info on Fox and it will just be like a normal league after that.:)

[DeltaPi1049]

That is what I was hoping... :)

[JacinB]

Yep, that is basically what'll happen. We'll do the draft here, I'll enter the results, and then FoxSports will take it from there.

We're at an even number right now. If we have an odd number, Shel's boyfriend would like 'in'.

As of right now, with -- of the people who've signed up thus far -- two draft rolls still to come in, here's what the order might look like.*

Division 1
1) DocDoom187
2) KitsuShel
3) Gacy's Clown
4) JacinB
5) Charaxes
6) absolutvt69
7) technohead
8) NAES72
9) lensnart
10) mike_houghton

Division 2
1) Stepper79
2) biz567
3) Iceman425
4) DeltaPi1049
5) Dark Flash2099
6) T.A.D.
7) armac
8) pbdeberry
9) Antipathy
10) Frontman

* - Keep in mind, I said 'might'. Divisions are not yet locked in stone (I purposefully built them so they could be evenly divided a number of ways), and that could affect the overall order. Things could be affected further when we get the other draft rolls and any latecomers sign up ... and, of course, we have to have even numbers within each division. But, I just wanted to give you a bit of a preview as to where you might fall, so you can start planning your draft.

Also, I had discussed with Stepper doing the draft in a 'snake draft' progression ... meaning that if you draft first in the first round, you draft last in the second round. And, last in the first round would draft first in the second round. That's as close to 'even' as I can make it, so that everyone starts out on a level playing field.

[DeltaPi1049]

Snake draft is an absolute must.

[DocDoom187]

I'm fiirst ,I'm first, I'm fiiirst, I'm first! ( That was supposed to be to a tune so sing it in your head ;))


LT baby, LT!

And I agree, Snake Draft is a must

[absolutvt69]

I never end up first or last (or even second or next to last). I'm always near the middle of the pack.

[DocDoom187]

I never end up first or last (or even second or next to last). I'm always near the middle of the pack.
Tahts the worst spot....

[lensnart]

I thought I sent you my draft role, I guess i will do it again.

[JacinB]

Got all of the dice rolls now but one.

Right now, we're standing at even teams, with ten players in each division. And, we're now a week from the official sign-up deadline.

[Gacy's Clown]

Not that you probably need any more convincing, but snake draft is the way to go. If mike is the last guy we are waiting for, I know he just got off work, so he may get his rolls in sometime soon.

[Dark Flash2099]

And, of course, I'm right in the middle of the draft class. At least this year there won't be a draft computer to screw me over...

[mike_houghton]

I sent them in a few minutes ago had to go check my apartment... what is a snake draft?
Also I want
Pacman Jones
Tank Johnson
Michael Vick
they are each going CHARGE right through... its going to be considered a crime when they start stealing yard and sacks... heck Pacman can control the weather.... he can make it rain!

Ill be here all week

[mike_houghton]

so who got higher then a nine?

[JacinB]

All draft rolls are in.

I come up with about 5 different ways I could currently split the divisions to have even teams on each side -- would've been six, but Stepper and I will have to be in seperate divisions to 'manage' each side.

After randomly determining which way to split the divisions based upon the current people we have playing and the rolls they've submitted, and sending the resulting rolls to Stepper, KitsuShel, and Frontman for independent verification, I have posted the resulting draft order in the placeholder above.

Unless we see an influx of players deciding they want to play in the next week (it would take 2 to alter one division, 4 to alter both), this should be pretty much the order of the draft.

So, start scouring the news wires and reading the expert opinions. Find your sleepers and your 'must haves'. We'll plan to start drafting a week from tomorrow.

[mike_houghton]

and with the number 1 pick The Cleveland Browns select....Tim Couch... wtf?
Lol so to take LT? OR not to take LT?
I also have a few questions... I have only played in 1 other fantasy football game before.
Can we trade our picks?
Do we select whole defenses... or individual players?
Thanks in advance.

[Gacy's Clown]

I would imagine he'll probably post the roster info for us shortly, so that we'll know how many players we'll need at each position and know how the scoring will work.

And with it set up like this, you probably could trade picks if you wanted.

[DocDoom187]

Just a guess, but


1 QB
3 WR
2 RB
1 TE

1 DEF

1 Kicker

and 6 bench spots to do what we want with.

[DocDoom187]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo




I get LT!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Go LT, Go LT. I'm so lucky in these things. So far every draft i've made this year I've had first or last pick!!!


BAAAAAAM!!




Actualy, I'm gonna pass on Lt, overrated ;);)












Also, if i forgot to mention LT

[mike_houghton]

I like Rubin Droughns

[DocDoom187]

I like Rubin Droughns
he aint a top 100 pick

[mike_houghton]

i know... though I did pick 2 people that were retired last year :(

[JacinB]

Unfortunately, though it would make things more like the regular NFL, we don't have the ability to allow you to trade draft spots.

And, in this league, you draft Defenses and Special Teams as a whole unit. So, for example, if you take the Bears Defense, you also play the Bears Special Teams.

[mike_houghton]

hmmm so could we agree to choose someone for someone else, and then trade them? or is there no trading after the draft too?

[Gacy's Clown]

he aint a top 100 pick

You pick up on sarcasm pretty well...:cheeky:

[Gacy's Clown]

Unfortunately, though it would make things more like the regular NFL, we don't have the ability to allow you to trade draft spots.

And, in this league, you draft Defenses and Special Teams as a whole unit. So, for example, if you take the Bears Defense, you also play the Bears Special Teams.

What about just trading picks, not entire spots? Like, say, I would trade my 2nd and 6th picks for someone's 3rd and 5th. Would that be possible?

[JacinB]

What about just trading picks, not entire spots? Like, say, I would trade my 2nd and 6th picks for someone's 3rd and 5th. Would that be possible?
It could quickly become a logistical nightmare, but I guess if everyone is that interested in doing it, I'd try to figure out a way to allow for it.

[Gacy's Clown]

I'm cool with whatever, but just wanted to check ahead of time. I know from experience that you're going to have a lot going on once this thing gets started.

[DeltaPi1049]

What is the draft order again?

[lensnart]

Not to take away from this league at all, but if anyone is interested in playing a second league I am thinking about starting up a Head To Head ESPN league, that will have a little bit more in depth rosters.

If anyone is interested PM me.

[Gacy's Clown]

What is the draft order again?

I believe he has it updated on the first page.

[JacinB]

Scoring and roster rules are up. Let me know if you've got questions.

[DocDoom187]

Umm, Jacin, can I request something?

Can we use 2 starting RB's??? They are the main position and just one is kinda hard to deal with, you know what i mean?

[mike_houghton]

cant u use the flex position for another running back?
Umm, Jacin, can I request something?

Can we use 2 starting RB's??? They are the main position and just one is kinda hard to deal with, you know what i mean?

[KitsuShel]

Ok, so who's going to be nice and act as my adviser for my picks?

[JacinB]

At this point, I'd consider adding a second running back.

(If I'm not mistaken, we did have two in our games last season.)

However, since you already can opt to add either another RB or a third WR in your flex spot, it might take a little more to convince me of the need for it.

[mike_houghton]

I will voice my opinion...
How often do u see 3 running backs in at the same time.... having 2 slots plus a possible third is just going to make the RB pool that much more sought after. As it is now if you select a Running back and then come around to your pick again, you can get A. A decent running back that has been left over, or B. A good reciever.
I am new to this so please bare with me if I sound ignorant.

[mike_houghton]

he aint a top 100 pick
lol I was looking at some predraft sheets... fox has him at #98

take that :P

[technohead]

Does anyone know what time the draft is ? Next Tuesday.. Can we do this weekend..

[technohead]

lol I was looking at some predraft sheets... fox has him at #98

take that :P

Can u send me that pre-draft sheets.. my job blocks anything that has to with Fantasy Anything.

[DocDoom187]

At this point, I'd consider adding a second running back.

(If I'm not mistaken, we did have two in our games last season.)

However, since you already can opt to add either another RB or a third WR in your flex spot, it might take a little more to convince me of the need for it.
Yahoo and espn standard league is 2 rb's and 3 wr's, so if you adfd another running back, the flew can be used for a wr, and be balanced.......


Is that good enough? If you don't its ok, but I think we're gonna be getting scores of like 100 points to 125, while if you added another RB, it would get more interesting, and give more point potential.


As it is, thereas no reason to have more than 3 RB's, 2 to start, and 1 for the bye week, however, the majority of players are RB's, meaning the majority of the drafting pool will be uuseless except for MAYBE 1 bye week.
g




Just saying

[DocDoom187]

I will voice my opinion...
How often do u see 3 running backs in at the same time.... having 2 slots plus a possible third is just going to make the RB pool that much more sought after. As it is now if you select a Running back and then come around to your pick again, you can get A. A decent running back that has been left over, or B. A good reciever.
I am new to this so please bare with me if I sound ignorant.
But you could also use 3 Wide Receivers which really is the norm mostly everywhere. I'm happy as is, just saying personally I'd like another back.

[NAES72]

DRAFT ORDER (as of 7-24-2007):
Division 1:
3) JacinB
9) NAES72


it was fixed i tell you

[JacinB]

Having looked at the Top 500 on several sites last night, and even a 'pro-draft', I'm still not sure I see a reason to expand the rosters to add another RB.

As it is, most teams run with one main running back and two or more wide-outs all season. Some teams do a RB-by-committee, typically at the expense of their receiving corps.

The way we've currently got it set up, you're forced to make the same call each week: Do you add a second running back if your primary back isn't that strong, or do you go for a pass-based offense with a strong QB and several good WRs?

[JacinB]

it was fixed i tell you
If it makes you feel better, after going through my potential picks last night, you've got a stronger spot at picks #9 and #12 than I do at #3 and #18.

[DocDoom187]

If it makes you feel better, after going through my potential picks last night, you've got a stronger spot at picks #9 and #12 than I do at #3 and #18.
9 is awesome!!



Picks near the end are amazing, any early pick, BESIDES first pick sucks!

[absolutvt69]

But you could also use 3 Wide Receivers which really is the norm mostly everywhere. I'm happy as is, just saying personally I'd like another back.

I've never played in a league that required 3 WR. I've had 2 RB, 2 WR and a flex but never 3 WR required. I'm fine with with either 1 or 2 RB since we have a flex.

[Gacy's Clown]

I spoke with a co-worker today who was in an offline draft last year and he said it took them two months to get it done...not even starting until Week 3.
As I mentioned before, we should get this going as soon as we can, now that everyone is signed up, the draft order is set, and we know the positions/scoring now. You will soon find out that everyone will have their own schedules when it comes to this kind of draft, due to work, family, or other things. I know in the basketball league, 6 of us got on an Instant Messenger to try and get through a few more picks more quickly, but one of the two guys that wasn't there had the next pick and he never showed up that night, so we all just waited and waited for no reason. I imagine with 10 teams and 14 rounds, this will happen often and will take some time. If not, it's better to be done sooner than sometime after the season starts.
Not trying to be a pain in the butt here, but just relaying how these things go down from my personal experience and from what my co-worker experienced as well.
As for the roster settings, I'm cool with whatever. I kinda like 'em like they are now, but if everyone else wants them changed, I'm cool with that too.:)

[mike_houghton]

I second that notion I am suddenly moving in the middle/late next week so I can be closer to college and work and have no Idea of my internet access. Heck I already know my 1st pick

[Gacy's Clown]

Well, go ahead and pick Droughns and we can get the rest of this thing moving...:cheeky:

[DocDoom187]

I second that notion I am suddenly moving in the middle/late next week so I can be closer to college and work and have no Idea of my internet access. Heck I already know my 1st pick
*Looks at draft order*


So do I ;)

[mike_houghton]

your takin ruben too... hes a sleeper... and by sleeper I mean hes taking a nap at home all year.

[pbdeberry]

i'm just tagging this thread...

[technohead]

I third that notion we should start Thursday, Friday oR Saturday.. I am ready to go.. Let's do this...!!!

[absolutvt69]

I would agree that we need to start ASAP... It seems like drafting via PM is going to take awhile... plus after we draft the data still has to be put into the Fox League.

[JacinB]

I haven't had any interest expressed here or via PM beyond what's already posted. Not to go too far toward parliamentary procedures and what not, but if someone wanted to motion and second closing the league now and beginning the drafting process, I think the motion would likely be upheld by the chairman ...

;)

[DeltaPi1049]

-Motion to close league!

-Seconded!

(Sorry I have a split personality)

[pbdeberry]

-Motion to close league!

-Seconded!

(Sorry I have a split personality)

I will seconded that motion.

[JacinB]

Works for me.

The League will officially close to new players tonight at Midnight CDT.

New Players: Keep in mind, that in order to sign up we need an even number of people to add. So, there've got to either be two of you or you can see if KitsuShel's boyfriend is still interested.

Everyone else: You can start PMing me with your draft picks. Please send at least three choices, in order of priority of who you want. And, while I want you to tell me who you want, please don't be too silly about it. For example, if you're picking in the bottom half, don't send me a list that looks like: 1) L.T.!!!, 2) L.T. !!!, and 3) L.T. !!!!

[pbdeberry]

DRAFT ORDER (as of 7-24-2007):
Division 1:
1) DocDoom187
2) KitsuShel
3) JacinB
4) biz567
5) Charaxes
6) Iceman425
7) absolutvt69
8) pbdeberry
9) NAES72
10) Antipathy

Division 2:
1) mike_houghton
2) Stepper79
3) Gacy's Clown
4) DeltaPi1049
5) Dark Flash2099
6) T.A.D.
7) technohead
8) armac
9) lensnart
10) Frontman

What exactly is the draft order?

[JacinB]

That's it.

[pbdeberry]

so Im drafting 8th... coolio!

[DocDoom187]

*music starts playing*


I goooot LTTTTTT. I goooot LT. I got LTeeeee. I got LT!



Doo doo dooo doo doo duh, doo doo doo doo doo duh duh, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum L L......TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

[JacinB]

Yes, I'm sure everyone is shocked that L.T. went first. :)

Now, the question is: Who is KitsuShel going to take?

Larry Johnson could be a #2 choice is some leagues, but his contract dispute and the return of Priest Holmes, who appears to be in top playing form according to the Chiefs and his doctors, could cut into L.J.'s yardage and TDs this season, and there are at least two other RBs who look to be major fantasy backs this year ...

Could this be the year that L.J. slips to 4th or even 5th place ... ?

[DocDoom187]

Yes, I'm sure everyone is shocked that L.T. went first. :)

Now, the question is: Who is KitsuShel going to take?

Larry Johnson could be a #2 choice is some leagues, but his contract dispute and the return of Priest Holmes, who appears to be in top playing form according to the Chiefs and his doctors, could cut into L.J.'s yardage and TDs this season, and there are at least two other RBs who look to be major fantasy backs this year ...

Could this be the year that L.J. slips to 4th or even 5th place ... ?
Don't forget LJ is like 10000 years old, aand has been playing for like EVER. He's an old work horse do to fall apart any day. Just saying.

[technohead]

quick question: does your bench have to contain Offensive players.. And even when a player is select for your bench does he gain stats or there just reserve for injuried players ?

Ex. I choose Randy Moss for my bench and he has 200 yrd game does it count towards my total pts. ?

[DocDoom187]

quick question: does your bench have to contain Offensive players.. And even when a player is select for your bench does he gain stats or there just reserve for injuried players ?

Ex. I choose Randy Moss for my bench and he has 200 yrd game does it count towards my total pts. ?
bench does NOT count for totals. Its only for when a starter has a bye week, or doesn't start, or is injured. And you can have nay position on your bench, but just a heads up. Defense is a bad idea to have extras of. Its worth little to no points

[technohead]

thanks... what kinda Pts do a Def. Player can generate ? Int. and running back the yards?


Also.. I have too choose 2 WR.. so I need to choose 4 in case i don't get my other WR's ?

[JacinB]

quick question: does your bench have to contain Offensive players.. And even when a player is select for your bench does he gain stats or there just reserve for injuried players ?

Ex. I choose Randy Moss for my bench and he has 200 yrd game does it count towards my total pts. ?
He wouldn't count toward your totals if he was on your bench, but he might earn you a "D'oh!" trophy. :)

It's a good idea to stock your bench with good players because, depending on the match-ups each week, you may want to switch out players with the guys who were on your bench the week before.

For example, if you've got an RB in your flex-spot that's facing one of the leagues best run defenses, it might be a good idea to switch him out for an RB with a bit of a softer defense that week or a WR with a good similarly good match-up.

And, I generally pick-up two defenses and play whichever one is going to be facing the worst opponent that particular week. (Also, when fielding defenses, keep in mind things like home-field advantage and weather.)

Don't overlook your Defense / Special Teams or make them an afterthought to the rest of your draft picks ... we had several Defenses last season that picked up 20+ points on their own in big weeks (the Bears did it a lot last season).

[absolutvt69]

Don't forget LJ is like 10000 years old, aand has been playing for like EVER. He's an old work horse do to fall apart any day. Just saying.

Did you mean Priest Holmes? Because Larry Johnson is actually younger than LaDainian Tomlinson.

[KitsuShel]

New Players: Keep in mind, that in order to sign up we need an even number of people to add. So, there've got to either be two of you or you can see if KitsuShel's boyfriend is still interested.


If anyone else is interested in playing and its an odd number, Shaun would definitely play.

:classic:

[DeltaPi1049]

Did you mean Priest Holmes? Because Larry Johnson is actually younger than LaDainian Tomlinson.

I hope so...

LJ is just evidence that good RBs come a dime a dozen these days. I have not forgotten the days back when Priest was the man and a half. Now LJ is like screw your man and half! I am man and three fourths! Either way, its only a matter of time before we are talking about Mr."All Day" all day.

[JacinB]

If anyone else is interested in playing and its an odd number, Shaun would definitely play.

:classic:

You got some picks for me ... ? :)

[Gacy's Clown]

Once someone PMs you their pick, how will the next person know it's their pick? Will they just post their pick here? Also, will you be keeping the draft picks up to date in this thread, so that we know who has already been drafted?

And with those questions asked, has mike or stepper made their picks yet?:)

[JacinB]

Once someone PMs you their pick, how will the next person know it's their pick? Will they just post their pick here? Also, will you be keeping the draft picks up to date in this thread, so that we know who has already been drafted?

And with those questions asked, has mike or stepper made their picks yet?:)
I'll post picks in groups when I get a few. If all of the players on your list have been taken by someone ahead of you, I'll PM you back to let you know so that you can re-adjust your picks.

Edit: And, no. No one in Division 2 has made their selections known to me yet.

[lensnart]

Hey Shel, Shaun can have my spot if he would like. As much as I would like to, I honestly don't see me having time for this league and the other two that I am in.

That said if my giving away my spot is going to cause a comotion, I will certainly live up to my part in this league.

[DocDoom187]

Hey Shel, Shaun can have my spot if he would like. As much as I would like to, I honestly don't see me having time for this league and the other two that I am in.

That said if my giving away my spot is going to cause a comotion, I will certainly live up to my part in this league.
Its a trap! LenSnarts in the mafia, get him!!!!!!!!!!!!

[technohead]

Got my picks in, hope i get everyone i want .. LOL YEAH RIGHT

[JacinB]

Shaun can take lensnart's place if he'd like. That's fine with me.

[lensnart]

Then Shaun is in, and best of luck to all of you with this league.

[technohead]

C'mon DIVISION 2 get your picks in.. At least your first Rd.

[Gacy's Clown]

I've sent mine in already and I hope others have as well. Has anyone PMed Stepper to let him know we started already and that it's his pick?

[DeltaPi1049]

I sent in my picks.

[JacinB]

Updated with some more picks.

[DocDoom187]

Jacin, you do know Shaun Alexander was roughed up last year. Better hope he recovered by this season

[JacinB]

I know.

He played just fine in the late season / post-season last year, his offensive line finally came together, and Matt Hasselbeck is recovered from his non-throwing arm shoulder surgery which should help the Seahawk passing game.

Shaun's going to be back in his record-setting 2005 form this season.

[JacinB]

Latest NFL Rumors can be found HERE (http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl#1).

Among them:
1) L.J.'s agent says Chiefs haven't offered a new deal since June 1. That's not good news, since I'm a Chiefs fan.
2) The Bucs might still go after Daunte Culpepper. Jake Plummer is holding out.
3) Michael Strahan is going to be in Giants training camp today, but may hold out for a new contract.
4) Asante Samuel may miss the start of Pats training camp.
5) Top pick JaMarcus Russell and the Raiders can't come to terms on a contract, and he may hold out.
6) Cowboys are claiming to have the best defense in the NFL.
7) Lions' top pick Calvin Johnson still hasn't signed a contract, which means he can't practice with the team or attend team meetings.
8) The Jets' backfield got even thinner after Curtis Martin's retirement, as backup RB Cedric Houston quit the team.
9) Steelers' WR Santonio Holmes due to recovering from a non-football related medical procedure. He has no idea when he'll be allowed to return to practice.
10) Giants are claiming Eli Manning is ready to have a big year.
11) Browns are going to determine their starting QB in camp. Their 'veterans' (Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson) have a combined 6-15 record.
12) Vikes still haven't signed Adrian Peterson, but expect to soon.

[DeltaPi1049]

Would it be at all possible for you to pm us when it is our turn to draft?

[mike_houghton]

lol most of the first rounders havent signed their contracts have they? I thought at the most 6 did?

[JacinB]

I don't know. I know the Chiefs are still negotiating with their top pick, but the L.J. story is what's getting all of the press around K.C.

[mike_houghton]

17 are still unsigned... out of the 1st round :(

[technohead]

Can someone PM Darkflash or can he be bumped down so we can move on and finish the 1st round.

[mike_houghton]

lol I already have my next 2 picks kinda plotted

[Gacy's Clown]

I went ahead and PMed DarkFlash just in case no one else had. I know some people may not have expected us to start drafting until this weekend, so they may be unaware. If these lulls in the draft continue on after this weekend, I would suggest that starting on Monday, if someone doesn't make a pick within 12 hours, Jacin just picks the next best available for them. If we were to go entire days waiting on a person to pick, we'll still be doing this when the season starts. 140 picks to be made and we've made four in a day and a half so far.:)

I would also suggest that after each person makes their selection that they go ahead and PM the next person to pick, so that they know it is their turn. Jacin is going to have a lot on his hands with this, so we shouldn't expect him to do everything for us.

[Gacy's Clown]

lol I already have my next 2 picks kinda plotted

LeBron and Grady don't play football....remember that.

[Dark Flash2099]

Yeah, I just got home from being away since 7AM CST. Give me about 10 minutes and I'll figure out who I want.

Edit: Oops, forgot that I had to PM it to Jacin.

[Dark Flash2099]

And just so you guys know, I'm busy this entire weekend. So if I don't make my pick, just give me some time and I'll try to get it done.

[mike_houghton]

LeBron and Grady don't play football....remember that.
But I bet the could :)

[NAES72]

not to be a pain but how is this better then just doing one at fox

[technohead]

i dunno, you tell me.. i think if you do it on FOX if someone is not present for the draft, FOX will automatically select a player for u. Indeed this is taking too long 1 day past and only 5 picks.

[mike_houghton]

and dark was on when he could see it was his pick couldnt he?

[Gacy's Clown]

And just so you guys know, I'm busy this entire weekend. So if I don't make my pick, just give me some time and I'll try to get it done.

Rather than hold up the whole process, I would suggest just sending Jacin the next 10 players you want (that realistically would be available by your next pick) or just tell him to make the next pick for you. There's no reason to hold up 9 other people because you may not be available.:)

[Gacy's Clown]

i dunno, you tell me.. i think if you do it on FOX if someone is not present for the draft, FOX will automatically select a player for u. Indeed this is taking too long 1 day past and only 5 picks.

You guys have some extremely high expectations if you think this kind of draft will be done in a short time.:grin: I can honestly see this taking all the way up to the start of the season and I was aware of that going in. If everyone PMs the next person after they have sent in their pick, then we won't have to sit around constantly checking to see who's pick it is. When you get the PM, you know it's your turn.

Also, I would advise people when it's their pick *cough*DarkFlash*cough* to post who they picked, so the next person could post their pick. By PMing it directly to Jacin and not posting the pick, then we all have to wait on him to get online, get the PM, then post it. And if the next couple of people to draft are online at that time, that could be two or three more picks done right there. By not posting the pick, then those people may not be online when Jacin posts the picks and I think you see where I'm going here. Everyone's schedules are different, so posting your pick when it's your turn to draft, along with PMing it in to Jacin would help a lot in expediting this.:)

[Gacy's Clown]

and dark was on when he could see it was his pick couldnt he?
I think he sent in his pick, but Jacin hasn't been on to post it. If he would have posted the pick, as I mentioned in the previous post, then we possibly could be a few more picks into this thing.

[mike_houghton]

I vote to elect Mr Clown as the New Commish


Joking I know we all have lives but I guess it was easy for me.

[Gacy's Clown]

:laugh:

It's all good. Jacin is doing just fine on this. All I'm doing is trying to fill in or offer suggestions while he's away. If it helps move things along, that's awesome. If not, well, it's not like I didn't try.:)
Trust me, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes on this kind of league anyways.:cheeky:

[Frontman]

Sheesh, and I thought I had it rough as a baseball commish.


1373
"You think its bad, Front? Try being me. I pray every night for Bonds to be charged and arrested."

You know, Bud's got a point. Ya'll should get off Jacin's back. Get on the players who aren't making their choices.

[NAES72]

Sheesh, and I thought I had it rough as a baseball commish.


1373
"You think its bad, Front? Try being me. I pray every night for Bonds to be charged and arrested."

You know, Bud's got a point. Ya'll should get off Jacin's back. Get on the players who aren't making their choices.
not saying anythimg bad about jacin just thinking have a draft over on fox and be done

[Dark Flash2099]

Just got home, so if you guys want to know my pick, it was Clinton Portis. Sorry I forgot to post who it was.

[Gacy's Clown]

No problem. T.A.D. you're up next!:)

[T.A.D]

Draft picks sent in

[mike_houghton]

want to give us a hint...if u do the next guy can pick

[Gacy's Clown]

I PMed him to remind him.:)

[NAES72]

man we are need to slow down on them picks

[Gacy's Clown]

And here is what I was talking about. TAD didn't post his pick and technohead is online, probably waiting to make his pick, but he can't until we know what TAD picked. Hopefully after this first round, everyone will be on track and know what is required of them to make this as smooth a draft as possible.:)
At least we're moving faster than the other Division...;)

[technohead]

Tap... Tap.. Tap... Waiting.. Dam u are so right.

[DeltaPi1049]

No offense, but is there any way we can do this draft online so that we dont have to sit here waiting for people to realize what's up? I would think that would be very easy.

[absolutvt69]

Yeah I'm not quite understanding why we need to pick here as opposed to doing a live draft through Fox... I mean we basically have 2 leagues. I've been checking in a couple times a day to see if my pick is up yet but we're still on #4 I think. I'm #7 so I'd at least like to see who was taken 4th and 5th before I decide who I want.

[Gacy's Clown]

That's where everyone has to realize that they NEED to post who they picked here, along with PMing it in to Jacin. Just posting here that you made some picks doesn't tell anybody anything. If Jacin is away, which I think he usually is on the weekends, then that gives us the ability to continue on without him having the list updated.
Perhaps he could PM everyone and remind them that when it is their turn to pick, to post the pick here (not that you made a pick...but your actual pick) and to PM the next person in the drafting order.
I really feel once everyone is on the same page that after the first round, it could go a lot smoother.
And if everyone wants to go the Live route, that's cool too. He's already got the draft order determined and can go in and input that himself for the draft.:)

[technohead]

we should throw in a time limit.. if person doesn't post there pick or PM's, them there pick is forfeit and we move on..

[KitsuShel]

Some of the problems with that are:
#1 We don't know who has sent their picks to Jacin already. He said to PM him with your top 3 picks, which a lot of us did and just need to be updated.

#2 If we're doing the draft this way, then everyone needs some patience. Not everyone can be online all of the time. For example, Jacin isn't usually on on the weekends, iirc.

I'm not saying its perfect, its just that we can't fault people for not posting their picks here, if they already did what Jacin said and PM'd them to him. If they're just ignoring the game/thread altogether, thats a completely different story.

[DeltaPi1049]

I would say if there is a time limit and you miss it, you get an auto draft pick. That way you dont end up with a team of 5 guys if you miss a few picks.

[JacinB]

Picks are in an updated. Currently waiting on armac and biz567.

And, all of the players who had yet to send in picks for the first round were sent a reminder late last week to get their picks in.

As Gacy had pointed out, this draft could last right up until opening weekend. I hope it doesn't, but not everyone can be on all the time ...

Realistically, if we're going to get done in time, rounds need to last 3 days at most.

So, everyone, please have your picks ready so that we're not held up. If you know that you're going to be gone for an extended period, send me a list -- a realistic list -- and I'll take the first available based upon your list.

[JacinB]

I would say if there is a time limit and you miss it, you get an auto draft pick. That way you dont end up with a team of 5 guys if you miss a few picks.
While I'm getting more and more open to that idea, I'd rather not do it that way.

The point of this league was that people don't get screwed because they got a pick from a list that they didn't want simply because they couldn't be there to make the pick themselves.

That said, I've sent another reminder to the 5 people I still need picks from for the first round.

I can see who has been online on the Realms when. I know who's been here and just hasn't bothered to send in their picks, despite the reminders. I'm willing to consider dropping those folks and, if possible, replacing them with people who have PM'd me to express interest (CapAmerica24, for example).

[DeltaPi1049]

The point of this league was that people don't get screwed because they got a pick from a list that they didn't want simply because they couldn't be there to make the pick themselves.


Actually despite the fact that yahoo's and ESPN's rankings are skewed, they are not skewed THAT much. I have had really good results with the auto draft.

However, I pre-rank players anyways, so that it doesnt pick me players who I dont want. That is what people should do.

Now, what I would do, is set up a time where people can get on HCR and just get this all done. Coordinate schedules, do it all that night, so that there wont be a weeks worth of waiting between rounds. Right now its been a week, and nothing against you Jacin, but this is at a snails pace. At this rate, we wont get it done before the year starts. So, I would send out an APB and just start busting skulls.

But of course - you are the commish, so its up to you.

[NAES72]

i vote for an online live draft

[JacinB]

Actually despite the fact that yahoo's and ESPN's rankings are skewed, they are not skewed THAT much. I have had really good results with the auto draft.
My primary running backs drafted by the auto drafter last year? Priest Holmes (KC - PUP all year), and Ryan Moats (Phi - the back-up to the back-up to Brian Westbrook). I'll never put someone else through that misery.
However, I pre-rank players anyways, so that it doesnt pick me players who I dont want. That is what people should do.
I did, too ...

:ermm:
Right now its been a week, and nothing against you Jacin, but this is at a snails pace. At this rate, we wont get it done before the year starts. So, I would send out an APB and just start busting skulls.
When did I get your picks again ... ? ;)

Seriously, though. The league wasn't originally even supposed to close for new players until tomorrow, which means that we wouldn't have even begun the first round of drafting until Wednesday.

I also know that some guys just aren't around to be able to draft. Antipathy, for example, is in China at the moment.

Things should pick up this week. If they don't, then I will start busting skulls (and, possibly, dropping people).

[Stepper79]

hey and I am in the hospital - at least I have wireless

[technohead]

I also know that some guys just aren't around to be able to draft. Antipathy, for example, is in China at the moment.


[/URL][URL="http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92"] (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92)Philippines to be exact, he's my wife cousin... What does that make me to him ? hrmm..? Anyone know ? LoL..

[JacinB]

More drafts have been posted. :)

[JacinB]

Got a few more picks in. :grin:

Unfortunately, they weren't the next ones we were waiting for. :(

But, if I get the last three PMs from people who still haven't gotten their picks in, we should be able to finish round 1 and get into round 2 today. :classic:

That said, one of the people we're waiting on is in the Phillipines. :surprised

[mike_houghton]

wow ... just wow.
Brady and Manning... in the first round?

[JacinB]

My highest rated QB was Manning, and I didn't have him going until late in the second round ...



... you know, when I took him.

[mike_houghton]

more running backs for me... maybe. Atleast a good WR. Yey. My chart is so mess up.. portis, manning, brady! Screw it I am taking Tim Couch

[JacinB]

Two words: Brodie. Croyle.

[mike_houghton]

can we just make it a rule that they have to post their picks here too... that way we can see who is taken? Even if they post their top 3 or so we would still be able to see who is gone and move it along.

[DocDoom187]

Charaxes STOLE Jackson!!!!

[Charaxes]

Charaxes STOLE Jackson!!!!
#### straight.

Peyton was my second round pick, but so much for that. :sad:

I have a pretty good idea who my second round pick will be now, though.

[technohead]

Manning is Mines..!!! ahhhhaahhhh Mike your Next pick should be
Ryan Leaf.

[mike_houghton]

screw that I grew up in cleveland.. Couch is a wanted man... I want him just so I can bench him. I will take him with my last pick

[NAES72]

still say we do online live draft

[Gacy's Clown]

Did anyone PM armac to remind him that it's his pick? I've been doing it for just about everyone so far, but was thinking we may be getting things on the right track and he got the notice already.:)

[JacinB]

The guys who are still M.I.A. have all been PM'd twice (last week, and again yesterday) to remind them to get their picks in.

armac hasn't been logged onto HCRealms since 7/23/2007.

Iceman425 was on this weekend, and sent me a PM then that he'd review the lists of who'd been taken and get me his picks.

Antipathy was on today, but didn't send his picks. :ermm:

I've got everyone's e-mail addresses, so I'll be e-mailing them here in a few minutes, too. If I don't hear anything back by Thursday -- basically 48 hours from now -- we'll consider other options.

[JacinB]

I have a pretty good idea who my second round pick will be now, though.
Michael Vick?

[JacinB]

armac has checked in. He's been away at SDCC without internet access, was swamped with work when he got back, thought we weren't even starting the draft until this week, and ... well, long story short, he'll get his picks in ASAP.

Also note, the arrival of armac's draft choices will get Division II into the 2nd Round of picks, so if you haven't gotten me your picks for Round 2 yet, please do so.

[technohead]

Good for me and Bad for whom ever picked Frank Gore.. A broken hand must hurt.

[absolutvt69]

Good for me and Bad for whom ever picked Frank Gore.. A broken hand must hurt.

Not a big deal... he'll be ready for the regular season from what I've read.

[JacinB]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about him too much.

[DeltaPi1049]

Good for me and Bad for whom ever picked Frank Gore.. A broken hand must hurt.

He will be ready for the season so that actually saves me the worry of him busting a knee in all those dumb pre-season games.

[mike_houghton]

yep... he will just break it in the third week of the season :P
So who thinks Drew Brees is a good pick at number 20?

[Gacy's Clown]

Any reason armac hasn't posted his pick six hours since he contacted Jacin? I'll blame him trying to figure out the best Canadian Football League player to draft...:cheeky:

[JacinB]

Well, there was a good portion of time in the middle of the day when the Realms was inaccessible*. He e-mailed me and asked who'd been taken so far and what the roster limits were and the scoring rules and such. I expect a pick sometime today.

(* - I know this because, during it, I got an unusually large amount of work done ... so much, that I'll actually have to slack off more than usual to keep the boss from getting suspicious. :cheeky:)

[Gacy's Clown]

:laugh: A job where you really don't have to work too hard. I love it!

armac's a good guy. I just wanted to bust his balls a little bit. Hopefully he will get his picks in soon.:)

[armac]

I hate catching up on a week's work. And, no I haven't done so yet.

My pick is Willie Parker of the Steelers. I really hate making that pick as a Browns fan, but so be it.

[Gacy's Clown]

Man, that's gotta be painful! :eek:

[JacinB]

And, armac, you're up to pick again. :)

(Actually, Shaun is up to pick next ...)

[absolutvt69]

What's up with Iceman taking so long to get his picks in... like he has anything better to do than sit on HCRealms and draft fantasy football teams 24/7! ;)

[Frontman]

Two headed Monster, baby! Tell me that if you could have that in real life, Maurice Jones Drew and Reggie Bush, that you wouldn't run a two back set like that?!?!?

[JacinB]

What's up with Iceman taking so long to get his picks in... like he has anything better to do than sit on HCRealms and draft fantasy football teams 24/7! ;)
Well, you know how those 'Hollywood' types are.

He's probably out schmoozing some hot girls, trying to decide if he's on 'Team Lohan' or 'Team Hilton' (personally, I'd think both teams are losers), and reading through scripts to see what his next big role will be ...

Then, he'll wait until the last minute to get his pick in and go off and adopt a kid from somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa with his hot mega-star girlfriend.

:cheeky:

[DocDoom187]

My division is stuck :(


and Bush shares time with Deuce, cuts baxk on his TD, and yardage

[DeltaPi1049]

When are we going to put the auto draft for no shows on?

[JacinB]

Tomorrow at noon.

[JacinB]

And, just like that, we're waiting for armac again ...

;)

[DocDoom187]

Well, you know how those 'Hollywood' types are.

He's probably out schmoozing some hot girls, trying to decide if he's on 'Team Lohan' or 'Team Hilton' (personally, I'd think both teams are losers), and reading through scripts to see what his next big role will be ...

Then, he'll wait until the last minute to get his pick in and go off and adopt a kid from somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa with his hot mega-star girlfriend.

:cheeky:
Wouldn't it be awesome if the TV Football Star came in last place?

[JacinB]

C'mon, now. Dude's in a wheelchair. Cut him a break.

[armac]

Just wanted to see what the pick before me was before placing mine.

I'll take another player from a team I hate...

RB Travis Henry of the Broncos.

...even though he has the same bye week as Parker. Silly me, but I think he'll do well in Denver's system.

[NAES72]

Did I Win It's Been So Long Did Not Know What Team Won This Year

[JacinB]

More picks. Still nothing for Division I, though ... :ermm:

[Gacy's Clown]

Just wanted to see what the pick before me was before placing mine.

I'll take another player from a team I hate...

RB Travis Henry of the Broncos.

...even though he has the same bye week as Parker. Silly me, but I think he'll do well in Denver's system.

Why not make the safe pick and take Jamal Lewis?;)

Seems like our Division made some pretty good progress today. If TAD's last pick is any indication for this pick, it won't come until later this evening.

I'll send in my next pick when it gets a bit closer to my turn again. Too hard for me to choose at this point.:)

[technohead]

quick question: so does the 2nd round start from the bottom up ? Notice the top picks people haven't drafted yet.

[Gacy's Clown]

Yeah. It's a snakedraft, meaning it goes from 1-10 the first round, then 10-1 in the next round and alternates back and forth all throughout the draft.

[JacinB]

The NEW Auto-Drafting Rules.
In just over an hour, the deadline will have passed and Iceman425 and Antipathy will have their picks auto-drafted for them and Division I will move on to Round 2 of their draft..

So, with that in mind, let me take a moment to explain how I will auto-draft and when the auto-draft rule will be applied.

First, the 'how' ...
I've got two lists of players, ranked as the Top 500 best players available this season (without regard to injury). If I have to auto-draft for you, I will chose the next highest ranked available pick from that list.

For example, the player ranked 6th on both lists is Brian Westbrook (RB - Phi). Unless I get a different pick from him in the next hour, that's who Iceman425 will get picked for him in the first round. We will then do the other picks that I do have (which, thankfully, don't include Brian Westbrook). Antipathy, then, will get then next best available player.

If there's a conflict in the lists, I'll average the two rankings and whichever player's average ranking is higher is who will be auto-drafted.

And, here's the 'when' ...
In order to get the draft done by the start of the season, I'm going to limit rounds to 48 hours (not including weekends). If you haven't gotten your pick to me during the 48 hours of that round, and the time expires, I will auto-draft for you.

Round 2 officially starts at 12:00pm CDT today. That means that Round 2 ends on Monday at 12:00pm CDT. Then, we'll begin Round 3.

As I have done previously, if you don't have your pick in, I'll try to send you a reminder via PM or e-mail. If I still don't get your pick, I'll have to draft for you just to keep things going.

What to do if you don't like your Auto-Drafted pick.
If you had a player auto-drafted for you and you don't want them, for whatever reason (I hate the team they play for, I don't think they'll perform well this year, whatever ...), you can exchange them at any time before the end of the next round for any other player that is still on the board.

You cannot take someone who has already been picked up by someone else after your auto-drafted selection.

So, if Iceman425 decides that he wanted Frank Gore instead of Brian Westbrook, he could take him so long as Frank Gore was still undrafted. But, if absolutvt69 picked up Frank, Iceman425 would have to look for someone else ... like, say, Tom Brady (if he were still available).

Got it?

Any questions can be posted here or PM'd to me.

I'll actually be at a Doctor's appointment at 12:00pm today. So, I'll post the updates to the picks as soon as I return from that (approx. 1:30pm CDT, hopefully).

[pbdeberry]

Sounds hella confusing, which makes me glad that you're in charge!

[DeltaPi1049]

I was really looking forward to getting Laurence Maroney until technohead decided he wanted to take him. ARGGG!

[armac]

What to do if you don't like your Auto-Drafted pick.
If you had a player auto-drafted for you and you don't want them, for whatever reason (I hate the team they play for, I don't think they'll perform well this year, whatever ...), you can exchange them at any time before the end of the next round for any other player that is still on the board.

You cannot take someone who has already been picked up by someone else after your auto-drafted selection.

So, if Iceman425 decides that he wanted Frank Gore instead of Brian Westbrook, he could take him so long as Frank Gore was still undrafted. But, if absolutvt69 picked up Frank, Iceman425 would have to look for someone else ... like, say, Tom Brady (if he were still available).

Got it?

Any questions can be posted here or PM'd to me.

I guess I have questions relating to this...

Let's say you autodrafted for me, and I got (using your example) Brian Westbrook.

I log on and six picks have passed, and I let you know that I wanted Jamal Lewis instead, and since he wasn't drafted, you make the change.

What if one of the six picks that had passed since then had wanted Brian Westbrook, but couldn't take him because I autodrafted him? Do they have any option of claiming him and releasing their pick which could cause that to happen again?

If they don't have the option of trying to claim the unwanted and discarded autodraft pick does that give the player seven picks later a benefit since they have the chance to pick up someone that wouldn't have been there normally?

I'm not trying to be contrary, but I am trying to point out possible flaws in pushing the draft so quickly before the first exhibition game has been played.

[technohead]

I was really looking forward to getting Laurence Maroney until technohead decided he wanted to take him. ARGGG!

its no problem.. is the Draft heating up yet...?

[JacinB]

I guess I have questions relating to this...

Let's say you autodrafted for me, and I got (using your example) Brian Westbrook.

I log on and six picks have passed, and I let you know that I wanted Jamal Lewis instead, and since he wasn't drafted, you make the change.

What if one of the six picks that had passed since then had wanted Brian Westbrook, but couldn't take him because I autodrafted him? Do they have any option of claiming him and releasing their pick which could cause that to happen again?

If they don't have the option of trying to claim the unwanted and discarded autodraft pick does that give the player seven picks later a benefit since they have the chance to pick up someone that wouldn't have been there normally?

I'm not trying to be contrary, but I am trying to point out possible flaws in pushing the draft so quickly before the first exhibition game has been played.
Good questions.

I'll do some factoring in of who has been 'requested' by a subsequent drafter as well. In this instance, we don't have any conflicts. But, if the next best available player was the same as the guy that someone who had sent in their draft pick wanted later in that same round, I would consider dropping to the next best guy.

That's why it benefits you to get your picks in.

If an auto-draft pick gets dropped, they'll go back into the draft pool at the end of that particular round. So, then, they'd have the opportunity to get picked up or passed on normally. As there is the 'by the end of the next round' limit to dropping, I think this should minimize how many times this situation has to be dealt with.

And, frankly, I'm hoping it's not something that I have to do very many times for very many people anyway.

[technohead]

ok Let The Auto Drafting Begin...!!!!!

[JacinB]

Division I is done with Round 1.

If you haven't gotten your Round 2 picks to me yet, please do so now.

[T.A.D]

round 2 pick sent in, sorry for the delay but i can't check here everyday

[JacinB]

DeltaPi1049 just got a steal.

Dark Flash2099 must be trying to draft a PUP team. ;)

[absolutvt69]

DeltaPi1049 just got a steal.

Dark Flash2099 must be trying to draft a PUP team. ;)

Good grief... there's no way Shaun Alexander should fall to the second round... much less LATE second round.

[JacinB]

Good grief... there's no way Shaun Alexander should fall to the second round... much less LATE second round.
I know. He's been a top five pick in every draft guide, and 'draft average' list I've seen. He's typically going somewhere around the #4 slot after L.T., L.J., and Steven Jackson.

[NAES72]

my picks are in

[DeltaPi1049]

I was going to pick him above Gore, but I think Gore is going to have a better year this year than last! Holy ####!

[NAES72]

so i got my pick in but i will have to go tell monday before i see if i get him

[JacinB]

Unless Antipathy gets on and picks this weekend, yes.

[armac]

I may regret not taking Alexander, but I knew I was passing him up to get the two RBs that I took.

[KitsuShel]

Lol, so Division 2 is being held up by Gacy now?

;)

[Frontman]

Lol, so Division 2 is being held up by Gacy now?

;)

Ironic, ain't it?

[Gacy's Clown]

Oh no, I didn't get my pick in within 4 hours...:rolleyes:

I hardly consider that much of holdup.

[Frontman]

Oh no, I didn't get my pick in within 4 hours...:rolleyes:

I hardly consider that much of holdup.

Four hours to you, a lifetime for me. I really need to go to the bathroom, and I gotta wait until my turn comes up again! ;)

[Gacy's Clown]

I'll take Rudi Johnson.

[mike_houghton]

butthead... he was on the list... now your on the list Gacy... beat me at heroclix....take me pick.... why not use the bathroom on me while your at it

[Frontman]

butthead... he was on the list... now your on the list Gacy... beat me at heroclix....take me pick.... why not use the bathroom on me while your at it

DUDE! I'm the one who needs to pee, I'm even doing the potty dance right now!

[Gacy's Clown]

I would if I didn't do that five minutes ago.:cheeky:

Well, if Stepper is on or already has his next two picks ready, we may get back through half of the third round. YAY!

[mike_houghton]

listen her GayC! I WILL MAKE YOU HUMBLE!!! I WILL PUT U IN THE COBRA CLUTCH AND MAKE YOU MY.....FILL IN THE BLANK

[Gacy's Clown]

I'm sorry, Shiek! I'm sorry!

[Antipathy]

Laurence Maroney will be my second round pick.

[Iceman425]

Where is the link for this league?

[Gacy's Clown]

I don't think there is a league link actually set up yet, as all of the drafting is taking place here first. I'm sure we'll have a link up sometime soon.

[JacinB]

Where is the link for this league?
You guys will be sent an e-mail, depending on which League you're in, prior to the start of the season that will give you the sign-up information (League ID and password) for your particular division.

[mike_houghton]

yey... so I should get my top pick for the second round baring him being taken by the number 2 guy

[mike_houghton]

and why did TAD take 2 quarterbacks? is this a common strategy in other leagues? I cant seem to see a reason for 2 quarterbacks this early

[absolutvt69]

and why did TAD take 2 quarterbacks? is this a common strategy in other leagues? I cant seem to see a reason for 2 quarterbacks this early

Best guess? So he can trade one later. I don't see any other reason to take 2 good QBs so early other than trade bait.

[Gacy's Clown]

I don't know either. I just assume they have a plan or just like those players.

I PMed in my next set of picks, but since I'm here, mike's here, and Stepper sent in a big list, I may wait and see what transpires and make my pick on my own....and, no, there won't be a wait since I'll be here awhile.:)

[technohead]

2 quarterbacks in first rd... hrmm... Playing catch i presume.

[mike_houghton]

lol you and me both gacy. I got all day off to unpack, but everythings unpacked :( If I get my check today I should be up there tonight to play though... have to wait and see what comes in the mail

[mike_houghton]

stepper tell us your pick

[Gacy's Clown]

Stepper is in the hospital, but said he sent Jacin a big list and since he hasn't even updated my pick on the list, he probably hasn't gotten around to checking Stepper's picks either. So, when he gets the list updated, it should include Step's and then you can get yours in. It's hard to believe that Jacin may actually be working right now...:cheeky:

[Charaxes]

So... Division One is waiting for Antipathy again...

[absolutvt69]

So... Division One is waiting for Antipathy again...

No he made his second round pick already... it just hasn't been updated.

[JacinB]

Actually, I was working. I do that every once in a while. :p

Updated the picks. I think I've got pbdeberry's pick, too, I'm just awaiting clarification.

[mike_houghton]

freakin drew breeze stealin.. no good...

[Gacy's Clown]

He may have got tipped off somewhere...;)

[absolutvt69]

My pick for round 2 is Rudi Johnson.

[JacinB]

More and more and more picks.

[Gacy's Clown]

Way to go Div. 2! We may finish up Round 3 today!:)

[Charaxes]

No he made his second round pick already... it just hasn't been updated.
Why, yes, he did. Don't know how I missed that one. I guess it was my subliminal desire to pick Maroney in the second round...

[mike_houghton]

well lets see if this works.... Does anyone think Tim Couch is a good pick in the fourth round?

[Gacy's Clown]

*How do I explain to him that Couch is next on my draftboard?*

[technohead]

Thank You Gacy for the PM... And Now for my 3rd pick... I choose


Randy Moss


I'll take gamble and go with this pick.. praying for a awesome season

Sorry... for the screw up..!! Again... Trying not get in trouble.. w/ the manager floating around..

[Gacy's Clown]

No problem, but you may want to go look at the draft board real quick...:grin:

[JacinB]

Thank You Gacy for the PM... And Now for my 3rd pick... I choose

CHAD JOHNSON

Sorry... for the screw up..!!
Chad Johnson is otherwise occupied. Do you have a second choice ... ?

[technohead]

Sorry... for mess up Lets move on..!!

[Gacy's Clown]

Thank You Gacy for the PM... And Now for my 3rd pick... I choose


Randy Moss


I'll take gamble and go with this pick.. praying for a awesome season

Sorry... for the screw up..!! Again... Trying not get in trouble.. w/ the manager floating around..

Third time's the charm, my friend.:grin: