HCRealms Mafia Crisis -- Game thread

[Iron Ham]

I'm gonna go Wiki my character... It'd suck if I missed the opportunity to type in an accent.

[charlesx]

Which is why if the choice was between you and Biz, I'd choose Biz.

But thats besides the point right now. I really think Charles is one of the last Mafia guys running around.

On what basis am I Mafia? If you're gonna make an accusation, please offer proof. Or else it just sounds like a last-ditch attempt on a Mafia person (Shel) to place the blame on someone else. Seriously, I want to know the basis for your wild accusations.

[KitsuShel]

Funny. Carlos has been right some of the time, but he has also been all over the board. This late in the game, the alternate Earthers must be pretty desperate. I have been up front. You, on the other hand, are starting to look more and more suspicious. Why should I investigate biz and not you?

Ok, see, this is where you get into trouble and make me think even more that you're a villain. You start the double-talking.

We pretty know through Peeres (albeit indirectly) that Carlos and Vicious aren't posting to this thread for a reason, so why try and act like he's just bailing?

PLus, I never said not investigate me. You asked between Biz and Ham, and I chose Biz. If you want to investigate me, go right ahead, but if you are evil, I doubt you'll tell the truth.

[Iron Ham]

Which is why if the choice was between you and Biz, I'd choose Biz.

But thats besides the point right now. I really think Charles is one of the last Mafia guys running around. If we can take him out while Carlos is keeping SBP under wraps, then we should be good to go.


*reads wiki article* hmm... now I know how to respond to this!

OBJECTION! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2147375)

[KitsuShel]

On what basis am I Mafia? If you're gonna make an accusation, please offer proof. Or else it just sounds like a last-ditch attempt on a Mafia person (Shel) to place the blame on someone else. Seriously, I want to know the basis for your wild accusations.

No real proof, other than Carlos saying you were. Actually, not even that. I'm basing my gut instinct off of your attitude and the way you double talk when backed into a corner.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Carlos had someone innocuous locked up and you were SBP.

[KitsuShel]

*reads wiki article* hmm... now I know how to respond to this!

OBJECTION! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2147375)

Sorry, with the end game this close, 50% is better than a 100% chance that he kills one of us tonight.

[charlesx]

We pretty know through Peeres (albeit indirectly) that Carlos and Vicious aren't posting to this thread for a reason, so why try and act like he's just bailing?

PLus, I never said not investigate me. You asked between Biz and Ham, and I chose Biz. If you want to investigate me, go right ahead, but if you are evil, I doubt you'll tell the truth.


Bailing? Who was bailing? Sorry, but I don't understand your comment.

I will investigate you. So far I have been telling the truth. Here's some more truth - I don't have and have never had a killing power. I have been gathering information and keeping to myself, which is why I never expected to last the night last time. If I investigate you but wind up dead, you will be the culprit - because you have to be hiding something.

[Iron Ham]

Sorry, with the end game this close, 50% is better than a 100% chance that he kills one of us tonight.

Well... good point.

Change Vote: CharlesX

The prosecution rests.

[KitsuShel]

Ok then, so we know there's still evil amongst us and we're doing nothing?

C'mon people help me out here. My gut says Charles, but if someone else has any other ideas, please speak up.

[charlesx]

Well, since it's come to that, I will offer my vote as well.

Vote to lynch: KitsuShel.

Doctor, I don't know if you can get me out of this one, but Shel's the one you should go after - if you are able to do so.

[Iron Ham]

Ok then, so we know there's still evil amongst us and we're doing nothing?

C'mon people help me out here. My gut says Charles, but if someone else has any other ideas, please speak up. Nothin'. I have no information gathering skills, so that sucks... All I have is JacinB syndrome, if you catch my drift. :squareeye

*has said too much*

[Iron Ham]

*tumbleweed*

[KitsuShel]

Ok, I'm dying here, so I'm going to make some soup, then let it get cold before I eat it, lol. Be back soon.

[JacinB]

Nothin'. I have no information gathering skills, so that sucks... All I have is JacinB syndrome, if you catch my drift. :squareeye

*has said too much*
*reaches through the wall from his seclusion in 'Paradise' and smacks the back of Iron Ham's head, before disappearing again.*

[Peers]

Sorry, went out to dinner. Any steakhouse that serves free peanuts in the waiting area is goooooood...

Day 6 is over.

You all know the drill. Charlesx lost the popularity contest and was quickly cornered.

It was 4 to 1 odds... and unlike everyone else, this one put up a fight of it. He lasted all of two minutes before he was finally caught and thrown into some explosing computer panels.

His final words? "But... but I'm the goddamned Batman..."

charlesx is dead. He was Batman of Earth-44, nothing else needs to be said.

We are now in Night 6. The two missing people have returned, however, they cannot communicate with anyone until the thread is unlocked.

[Peers]

Short and sweet, that's how we roll now.

Night 6 is over

The remaining heroes awoke to find a body already awaiting them in the autopsy room. Their two missing comrades had rejoined them, but one man, who had had a guardian angel looking over him the whole Crisis, finally fell prey to something very, very cold -- his body shattered into hundreds, possbily thousands, of small, circular bits.

Thawmus is dead. He was Plastic Man of New Earth. And to think some people didn't believe him...

And you know what that means...

Day 7 has begun! With five players left, three is a majority vote. For the record, those remaining are bix567, CarlosMucha, IronHam, KitsuShel, and Vicious X. If we need 48 hours on this one, I'll be amazed.

[biz567]

Wait isn't Plastic Man good? Or are some evil(Sorry, my DC history isn't the greatest.:nervous: )

[Peers]

Yes, Plastic Man is good. Annoying at times, but good.

[KitsuShel]

Ok, Lynch Vicious X

Nothing happened while Carlos had him locked away, but the night he comes back someone dies.

[KitsuShel]

Something very, very cold might have been Superboy Prime Ice Breath.

[biz567]

Nice, Shel. I think it's Vicious as well, I was going to say Ham but I just don't think so.

Vote: Vicious X

[biz567]

Carp, do I have to say Lynch? Just in case:

Lynch: Vicious X

[KitsuShel]

Well, lol, I think we might be here a for a little bit. Ham and Carlos aren't online right now and I'm sure the Vicious Vixen will not vote for himself, lol.

I'm sure Vic is a villain, but what if he's not the only one? Then we still have more work to do. At that point, you (Biz) and Ham will start getting a bit hammered with questions.

[CarlosMucha]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO Plasticman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! uf uf! I'm here! I'm back!


firsrt: thank you Plasticman! I was ready to give my life for you. But I not get in time, sorry my friend. :cry:


Joker! you have been crazy and a killer

but thank to you 2 persons don't die 2 nights ago.

Joker, you WILL be remember as one who save New Earth.


I was screaming out there yesterday! figting ALL this time!

what the heck did you do this 2 this past nights?!!

I was fighting all this time against.....


... SUPERBOY!

Suerboy is here now!

SUPERBOY IS Vicious X!!


ok guys and girls, we KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO!

:mad:

[CarlosMucha]

Lynch:... Vicious.... X!!!

:angry: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[CarlosMucha]

I'm happy to give the last punch to this villian!!!

POW! :mad:

[CarlosMucha]

Well, lol, I think we might be here a for a little bit. Ham and Carlos aren't online right now and I'm sure the Vicious Vixen will not vote for himself, lol.

I'm sure Vic is a villain, but what if he's not the only one? Then we still have more work to do. At that point, you (Biz) and Ham will start getting a bit hammered with questions.


good question. do we have another villians still?

[vicious x]

give me a second to explain please!!!! very important

[vicious x]

I am role claiming to save myself I am SuperBoy of New Earth with night powers of Vigilante,... so yes I can kill at night.

[CarlosMucha]

Uatu, don't come yet. I want to hear what he have to say. :cheeky:

[vicious x]

look at this,... who came out saying anything about superboy prime? the joker! who came out saying it was me,... mafia batman

do you think Peers would put two mafias and two serial killers out there with no night vigilante???

if you kill me you are killing your vigilante

[CarlosMucha]

I am role claiming to save myself I am SuperBoy of New Earth with night powers of Vigilante,... so yes I can kill at night.


and....?




(filler)

[vicious x]

if I was SBP I wouldn't try to save New Earthers,.... I saved Carlos who was one or two votes from being lynched.

[CarlosMucha]

look at this,... who came out saying anything about superboy prime? the joker! who came out saying it was me,... mafia batman

do you think Peers would put two mafias and two serial killers out there with no night vigilante???

if you kill me you are killing your vigilante


Oh yes. the vigilante...

how you explain what you BLOKE the Wonder Woman's lasso yesterday?!

if you are a vigilante what reason you have to do that?

[Iron Ham]

Lynch Vote: Vicious X (because we couldn't do it yesterday)

[vicious x]

look at my vote history,.... better yet look at my night kill history

I took out breech,.... I took out mafia Superman,.... I took out the Question of new earth after thawmus requested,.... I took out melkhor (a mistake) bc he tried to play off as there was no autolynch and he was quick to attack carlos,... I took out the Joker (the serial killer) and I took out thawmus (he just had a lot of bad information, and he was on carlos hit list),....

[CarlosMucha]

look at my vote history,.... better yet look at my night kill history

I took out breech,.... I took out mafia Superman,.... I took out the Question of new earth after thawmus requested,.... I took out melkhor (a mistake) bc he tried to play off as there was no autolynch and he was quick to attack carlos,... I took out the Joker (the serial killer) and I took out thawmus (he just had a lot of bad information, and he was on carlos hit list),....


you are saying what I'm a villian?

[vicious x]

well it looks like I am lynched,... but there is still someone evil out there goodluck fellow new earthers its almost over :cry:

[vicious x]

you are saying what I'm a villian?

I never said you were a villian if you were I would have killed you yesterday not thawmus who I thought was the villian. remember I saved you from being lynched.

[CarlosMucha]

I never said you were a villian if you were I would have killed you yesterday not thawmus who I thought was the villian. remember I saved you from being lynched.


yuo don't save ME to be lynched!


I keep you busy to not kill anyone and be sure of who you are! :mad:

I was sure the others heroes will take care of Batman 44. and they did.

[vicious x]

I'm not sure what you are saying about me breaking your lasso??? I was held by you yesterday,... released today. and when I got online I seen everyone voting against me,... I took it as a continue from yesterday since everyone wants to lynch super boy prime,....

remember super boy prime was the idea of the Joker and made a big deal by evil Batman

[CarlosMucha]

you KILL Plasticman!!!! :mad:

you kill A LOT of people!

[vicious x]

just remember why would Peers give the mafia two groups with a ton of evil guys and put two serial killers??? and not a single vigilante??? it doesn;t make sense

[Peers]

Well, Carlos' vote makes it a majority.

Day Seven is over.

Four on one. But vicious x was no Batman. The last time he was defeated, it took hundreds, thousands of heroes working together, multiple deaths...

... but here, on this station, in this pocket of reality, where he was tired from killing, he fell.

Vicious X is dead. He was Superboy of Earth-Prime, 'nuff said.

Game over! Your winners: New Earth!

From the ashes of this latest Crisis rises a new Justice League of CarlosMucha, KitsuShel, biz567, and IronHam!

Big reveal coming in a few minutes.

[Peers]

So... who was who, you may ask?

Justice League of Earth-33
--JackAsterson was Superman, the Mafia Don.
--batfink was Wonder Woman, the roleblocker.
--calabolg was Martian Manhunter, the shapechanger (and, later, the replacement don)
--Scott Neelan was The Question, their investigator.

Justice League of Earth-44
--JacinB was Superman, the Mafia Don.
--theanalogkid was Wonder woman, the roleblocker.
--KaineMak was Plastic Man, the shapechanger (and, later, the replacement don)
--charlesx was Batman, their investigator.

Both Leagues got hurt early on with the loss of their dons, and were allowed to elect a new one (with a rule that someone could 'steal' the election if they wanted... nobody took the bait tho). Both worked fairly well, but the town was either amazingly lucky or amazingly good when it game to ferretting out their leaders.

The Independants
--scehaono was Breach of... well, nobody was sure what Earth he was from. He was a Survivor -- he was ignored when it game to deciding who won, but if anyone else won and he was alive, he'd win too. Of coruse, he also got killed in the first night, so it didn't matter much.
--Antipathy was Spider-Man, Earth-616. After the first Mafia game, he asked Doc Strange to send him somewhere nobody knew him... bad idea. He would have won if New Earth won, but if investigated, would turn up as being from Earth-616.
--vicious x was Superboy of Earth-Prime, and he was our Serial Killer. A kill each night, and he'd win when he was the last man standing. And he got dang close to pulling it off, too... some of the best serial play I've seen.

New Earth: The Dead
--TMNT99 was Batman, Jackofhearts2005 was Robin. They could communicate via PM, and each one had a different investigation/tracking power. Unfortunately, Joker killed Robin the first night... which had me laughing my arse off when I got that PM.
--Doombot 3.1 was Booster Gold. He could pick two people and tell if they were from the same universe or not. Unfortunately, he never got to use that.
--Rokk_Krinn was Jay Garrick, The Flash. He could protect people from death.
--Scehaono was also Jay Garrick, The Flash, through a minor mistake on my part -- the player he replaced was Wally West, and it just seemed right to replace a Flash with a time-travelling version of another Flash.
--kontrol was The Joker, and just for fun, I made him one of the good guys... after the whole Emperor Joker thing, he learned that messing with reality would, well, not be fun. He won when New Earth won... but only if Batman and Robin were dead, too. So he wasn't -compeltely- good.
--Melkhor was Martian Manhunter, and he was New Earth's roleblocker.
--Thawmus was Plastic Man, and he had three powers: Be Bulletproof, Track Someone, or Misdirect Someone. But he couldn't use the same power two nights in a row. After all, Plastic Man can't be predictable.
--St-Dumas was The Question, and he got random conspiracy-related trivia about the game each night.
sstralkowski was Superman. He was immune to being killed at night... but got lynched during the day instead.

And now, the moment some of you have been waiting for...

New Earth: The Winners
--KitsuShel was Donna Troy. Each night, she'd pick someone she would give her life to defend. If that person was lynched the next day, she'd die in their place... with a 50-50 shot each night at returning to life.
--biz567 was Doctor Mid-Nite, and he was the one doing the autopsies (except the night he got roleblocked). Because he was still alive, you learned what Earth each dead person was from. Otherwise, you'd never know if you got good guys or bad guys.
--Iron Ham was Manhunter, willing to kill but way out of her league, if anyone targetted her at night, she'd kill them before they could do anything. And nobody ever targetted him. So yes, the body count each night could have been even higher.
--CarlosMucha was Wonder Woman, and living proof that these roles are given out randomly: Carlos got to use his lasso on someone each night and ask them a question, which they were forced to answer truthfully. Yes, I gave Carlos a role in which my ability to understand his English was of prime importance.

Let's give a round for our winners... and let me say one thing.

CarlosMucha is either a freakin' lunatic, or a genius in disguise. Some of the PMs I got from him... seriously, people, don't underestimate this guy.

Congrats to the winners, thanks to everyone for playing, and signups for the next game is in another thread...

[Antipathy]

How did Carlos find out who all the villains were in one night?

[Thawmus]

I really liked having Joker be the vigilante. That was an interesting twist that I only figured out after Kontrol explained it slightly.

And he had impeccable aim. Kontrol knew what he was doing.

[Antipathy]

What could the shape-changers and investigators do for the mafia teams?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I agree, Joker being the vigilante was freaking cool.

I also like that he had to get rid of me and turtle, though I wish he hadn't been so good at it. :(

[Melkhor]

I'm proud to see that while I fell fighting the good fight, my adopted home world lived on.

I tried to do my best, but I didn't have the best of luck with my roleblocking.
First night I blocked Sstralkowski (meaning that I was most likely the second figure Thawmus saw shadowing him), thus rendering him vulnerable. Fortunately nothing bad came from that.

Second night I blocked Biz and thus blew blew up the med-lab, preventing us from doing some much needed autopsies.

Third night I went for Dumas, and we all know what happened there

And my fourth and last night I finally struck gold and hit a villain (namely Batfink, in the guise of Wonder Woman-33, only to be killed by Superboy Prime before I could enjoy that sweet taste of success...

[Peers]

What could the shape-changers and investigators do for the mafia teams?

Shapechangers: Pick a target. Anyone trying to get you has a 50-50 chance of getting your target instead. Anyone trying to get your target has a 50-50 chance of getting you instead. So you could a) try to get bad things to happen to someone, or b) try to pick someone who would be protected, and hope the protection moves onto you.

Investigators: Pick a target, learn something about them. It could be character name, alignment, what their power did, anything depending on who you picked.

[Antipathy]

I also am wondering why the Mafia took out Melkhor and me, and not Carlos, who I though would've been first on their hit list.

[vicious x]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Peers again.


great job!!! tons of fun :)

[Melkhor]

How did Carlos find out who all the villains were in one night?

He caught a villain and asked this brilliant question: "Who are your team-mates?"

[CarlosMucha]

shhhhh. don't reveal myself Peers. :p



OMG!! we win New Earth!!! we win!!!!

I'm soo happy!

[Doombot 3.1]

New Earth: The Dead
...
--Doombot 3.1 was Booster Gold. He could pick two people and tell if they were from the same universe or not. Unfortunately, he never got to use that.


I had really been looking forward to playing this role. Finally, I'd be able to investigate and not have to rely solely on what other people posted! And then one of the Mafias gets me on the first night ... :cheeky:

[KitsuShel]

How did Carlos find out who all the villains were in one night?

I'm banking that when he used his lasso on the other Wonder Woman and asked who her teammates were, she gave up Calabolg and Scott. No clue about what he was saying about Thawmus and CharlesX, maybe it was info that he had found out previously and not shared?

[Peers]

How did Carlos find out who all the villains were in one night?

The only thing I can figure out is that he must've reasoned out one of them, then asked batfink's question and found out two more, and then deduced (or lucked into) the last one.

The reason he and vicious weren't around that night was, indeed, he had asked Superboy Prime who he had killed... so Superboy Prime went through the entire list, including everyone who died due to his punching time or his role in Infinite Crisis... which took a while.

[CarlosMucha]

I like the thing about Superboy standing in the great big end!!

it looks like a real comic book! :p

[CarlosMucha]

The only thing I can figure out is that he must've reasoned out one of them, then asked batfink's question and found out two more, and then deduced (or lucked into) the last one.

The reason he and vicious weren't around that night was, indeed, he had asked Superboy Prime who he had killed... so Superboy Prime went through the entire list, including everyone who died due to his punching time or his role in Infinite Crisis... which took a while.


yes. and he broke my lasso in the end. I was ready to sacrifice myself in a battle, is that right Peers?

[Thawmus]

How did Carlos find out who all the villains were in one night?

He doesn't investigate, he asks them questions they have to answer truthfully.

So he figured out who one villain was, and then made them give up who their friends were.


And then Joker killed them. :laugh:

[KitsuShel]

Oh, and Thawmus, I was choosing to protect you 90% of the time. The last night I switched up and chose to protect Carlos.

[CarlosMucha]

I also am wondering why the Mafia took out Melkhor and me, and not Carlos, who I though would've been first on their hit list.

I can explain that. I Say what I can DEFEND a villian, remember?

[Melkhor]

I also am wondering why the Mafia took out Melkhor and me, and not Carlos, who I though would've been first on their hit list.

I must admit I'm wondering about this too. Did I do or say anything to mark me as a dangerous target?

The fact that Thawmus and Carlos continued to be around for so long certainly suprised me more than anything, not that I'm complaining, mind you, since I doubt New Earth could have survived without them.

[Antipathy]

Peers, do you have a list of targets?

[Calabolg]

Let me begin by saying I am *so* not suited to being a mafia don.

<-voted worst liar at graduation :p

Was it just horrifically bad luck that both mafias kept targetting the same people?

And ahaha... I was so wrong about some of you. I was thinking Melkhor was mafia and Antipathy was a townie.
I just plain underestimated Carlos. That and Thawmus didn't help with his darn shiftyness. :p

Speaking of which, did anyone misdirect batfink before Night 4? He targetted Thawmus for an incap, and we would have killed him the next night... but batfink's incap got redirected to Rokk instead.

[CarlosMucha]

He caught a villain and asked this brilliant question: "Who are your team-mates?"


:o :o :o


filler

[Melkhor]

I can explain that. I Say what I can DEFEND a villian, remember?

Out of respect for the intelligence of the villain players here, I don't think ANYONE bought that for even a fraction of a second Carlos ;)

[CarlosMucha]

He doesn't investigate, he asks them questions they have to answer truthfully.

So he figured out who one villain was, and then made them give up who their friends were.


And then Joker killed them. :laugh:


because I ask for that, is that right Joker?

[vicious x]

yes. and he broke my lasso in the end. I was ready to sacrifice myself in a battle, is that right Peers?

yeah I had to lie and say I didn't,... figure it was the only was to kill two more people :)

[CarlosMucha]

Oh, and Thawmus, I was choosing to protect you 90% of the time. The last night I switched up and chose to protect Carlos.


OMG thanks!

[Melkhor]

Let me begin by saying I am *so* not suited to being a mafia don.

<-voted worst liar at graduation :p

Was it just horrifically bad luck that both mafias kept targetting the same people?

And ahaha... I was so wrong about some of you. I was thinking Melkhor was mafia and Antipathy was a townie.
I just plain underestimated Carlos. That and Thawmus didn't help with his darn shiftyness. :p

Speaking of which, did anyone misdirect batfink before Night 4? He targetted Thawmus for an incap, and we would have killed him the next night... but batfink's incap got redirected to Rokk instead.


You thought I was Mafia? Anything in particular that gave you that idea?

[CarlosMucha]

Out of respect for the intelligence of the villain players here, I don't think ANYONE bought that for even a fraction of a second Carlos ;)


I'm not soo sure. If I'm a villian and there is 2 killers out there, and somebody can defend me. I don';t know if I will kill that guy. it was a small change what i have with a small idea and I give a change.

soo everybody was sure of who I was all the time or not?

[theanalogkid]

I know we targeting those who were a threat and unprotected. We figured Thawmus was the mouth and he was being protected, so we tried picking off stragglers. Damn Joker and his clay dissoving acid!

[JackAssterson]

Three out of three times I've been randomly assigned Mafia in Peer's games. Three out of three. If only the lotto treated me like this. :p

[Melkhor]

I'm not soo sure. If I'm a villian and there is 2 killers out there, and somebody can defend me. I don';t know if I will kill that guy. it was a small change what i have with a small idea and I give a change.

soo everybody was sure of who I was all the time or not?

Personally, I had no idea. I trusted Thawmus, so I just followed his lead regarding you :)

[Calabolg]

You thought I was Mafia? Anything in particular that gave you that idea?

I dunno... not particularly. It was more a hunch then anything else.

[CarlosMucha]

Personally, I had no idea. I trusted Thawmus, so I just followed his lead regarding you :)


I don't know if Thawmus was sure all the time about me as Wonder Woman.

I change my stategy ALL the time. :p

[Thawmus]

Oh, and Thawmus, I was choosing to protect you 90% of the time. The last night I switched up and chose to protect Carlos.

So THAT'S why you kept defending me during day phases.

Truth be told, I figured either you were either a second doctor, or mafia. Which made it incredibly hard to put any pressure on you. Had I made you do so, we would have possibly outed our doctor. So I pretty much was saving you for after we killed charles and vicious.


Did anyone ever attack me?





Overall, I played a pretty bad game. There's some improvement to be made to my technique, that's for sure.

But at least my late-game radar still works. Vicious and Charles stood out like sore thumbs to me.

[Calabolg]

I know we targeting those who were a threat and unprotected. We figured Thawmus was the mouth and he was being protected, so we tried picking off stragglers. Damn Joker and his clay dissoving acid!

Ahaha... so I guess we all just happened to pick the same targets.

And Thawmus, we tried incapping you one night... but it didn't work (batfink got redirected to Rokk). If it did, we were planning to kill you the next night. I stand by what I said: you're too crafty!

[KitsuShel]

Since noone wanted to string up Thawmus, I never got to use my power, lol. I was hoping to see how that would work. Its a shame I had to pick the previous night who to target, cause it would have been cool if I could have leaped to save Stan. :(

[JackAssterson]

I had really been looking forward to playing this role. Finally, I'd be able to investigate and not have to rely solely on what other people posted! And then one of the Mafias gets me on the first night ... :cheeky:

You're welcome. :grin: Hey, I didn't get to play either, so at least we're square in that regard. You got the ol' *is a good player, so might as well get them out of the way* treatment, I'm afraid, which is one of the only logical options the Mafia has early on.

[CarlosMucha]

So THAT'S why you kept defending me during day phases.

Truth be told, I figured either you were either a second doctor, or mafia. Which made it incredibly hard to put any pressure on you. Had I made you do so, we would have possibly outed our doctor. So I pretty much was saving you for after we killed charles and vicious.


Did anyone ever attack me?



lol. Not me. I was sure what you was Batman remember?

why?

Becuase I figure out for SURE what 2 Batman were out there. (one was the Question but, ho I will know that?) and I was wrong about the Plasticman powers (more complicated what I was thinking) but when you explain your powers I begin to bealieve you.

[CarlosMucha]

Ahaha... so I guess we all just happened to pick the same targets.

And Thawmus, we tried incapping you one night... but it didn't work (batfink got redirected to Rokk). If it did, we were planning to kill you the next night. I stand by what I said: you're too crafty!

that night 2 was crazy! the Plasticmans almost made me crazy that night lol.

oh btw, I was not sure of the rules until night 4, sorry if I let somebody down and with a lot of questions about the game.

[Calabolg]

You're welcome. :grin: Hey, I didn't get to play either, so at least we're square in that regard.

Ah, damn you Jack for dying so soon! We could have done with some better leadership! :p

[Antipathy]

Carlos, what made you suspicious of me on Night 3?

[CarlosMucha]

I have a question:

why the Mafia kill in teams? I meant some have been killed for 3 people on the same time. I'm thinking in you Superman Jacin.

he just have that bad lucky? :p

[CarlosMucha]

Carlos, what made you suspicious of me on Night 3?


I don't target the guys what I was 10, 20 50, 80 or 100% sure what they were bad guys. I just target people who I have no idea.

is bether 20 or 100% than 0%

I explain myself well on this?

[JackAssterson]

Ah, damn you Jack for dying so soon! We could have done with some better leadership! :p

I just KNEW I should have left "in case I die, do this" instructions the first night. "Nah," I thought. "I won't die the FIRST NIGHT," I thought.

:sleep:

[Calabolg]

I have a question:

why the Mafia kill in teams? I meant some have been killed for 3 people on the same time. I'm thinking in you Superman Jacin.

he just have that bad lucky? :p

Oh yeah, it was just really bad luck. :p

[CarlosMucha]

Since noone wanted to string up Thawmus, I never got to use my power, lol. I was hoping to see how that would work. Its a shame I had to pick the previous night who to target, cause it would have been cool if I could have leaped to save Stan. :(


oh, and I was sure what you was Wonder girl when I see 2 Wonder Woman death.

[theanalogkid]

It was easier, Carlos. With me to role-block a target, we could be sure it stuck.

[Antipathy]

It was easier, Carlos. With me to role-block a target, we could be sure it stuck.

Exactly. If Mafia-44? didn't roleblock me Night 4, I would've avoided the killer, and the night would be wasted for them.

[Calabolg]

It was easier, Carlos. With me to role-block a target, we could be sure it stuck.

I think he was referring to the fact that multiple killers ended up targeting the same person.

[kontrol]

Most of the time I just figured who was the most likely person for me to kill. Sometimes, like when Carlos found Scott, I was going to already. Though by that point I was so paranoid about Superboy coming to get me, I ignored the clue that charlesx left about viciousx being superboy. The only way he could have figured that out at the time is either he was an investigator aka one of the Batmen I had to kill or knew one.

Also, the first night I got lucky, and the forced to kill thing made me scour every post for a clue as to who to go after. Truth be told without that stipulation, I probably wouldn't have been nearly as accurate as I was, it really forced me to pay close attention to everybody.

[charlesx]

CarlosMucha is either a freakin' lunatic, or a genius in disguise. Some of the PMs I got from him... seriously, people, don't underestimate this guy.

That's what I kept saying, Peers. Don't underestimate the foreigner!

I have the following apologies to make:

To Rokk_Krinn, for having ordered your death yet again (I was the replacement Don of JLA-44, Peers, not KaineMak.)

To KaineMak, for having voted to lynch you. I tried hard to get attention drawn away from you and only voted to lynch when I realized that I couldn't save you. Like a true Don, I masterminded the lynch over to my colleague in crime.

A message to Shel: Darn you, woman! :laugh: This is the second time that I have been Mafia Don and have been sent to the gallows thanks to you! Darn your female intuition! (BTW, very well played - you trusted your instincts and they served you well!!) :cool:

A message to thawmus: You were a most worthy opponent, so I take some solace in the fact that you got killed soon after I was lynched. I don't know how SBP didn't get you early in the game, as you were a clear threat to all non-New Earth aligned folks. Ironically, Carlos' intervention equally doomed me and you.

My brain's still hurting from all the twists and turns of the game, but I had great fun. At least I was the last Mafia standing this time.

Thanks, Peers! I look forward to the next one!

[CarlosMucha]

Oh yeah, it was just really bad luck. :p



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have a question:

why the Mafia kill in teams? I meant some have been killed for 3 people on the same time. I'm thinking in you Superman Jacin.

he just have that bad lucky? :p
Jacin was killed by Superboy Prime, the other mafia's wonder woman, Joker, and the other mafia's Superman.

Quite the joint effort. :cheeky:

[CarlosMucha]

I think he was referring to the fact that multiple killers ended up targeting the same person.

exactly.


filler

[kontrol]

So THAT'S why you kept defending me during day phases.

Truth be told, I figured either you were either a second doctor, or mafia. Which made it incredibly hard to put any pressure on you. Had I made you do so, we would have possibly outed our doctor. So I pretty much was saving you for after we killed charles and vicious.


Did anyone ever attack me?





Overall, I played a pretty bad game. There's some improvement to be made to my technique, that's for sure.

But at least my late-game radar still works. Vicious and Charles stood out like sore thumbs to me.
Your technique helped me ferret people out actually. May not have seemed helpful and I was wondering for the longest how you stayed alive, but trust me, without you the Joker would not have been nearly as effective in this game.

[CarlosMucha]

Most of the time I just figured who was the most likely person for me to kill. Sometimes, like when Carlos found Scott, I was going to already. Though by that point I was so paranoid about Superboy coming to get me, I ignored the clue that charlesx left about viciousx being superboy. The only way he could have figured that out at the time is either he was an investigator aka one of the Batmen I had to kill or knew one.

Also, the first night I got lucky, and the forced to kill thing made me scour every post for a clue as to who to go after. Truth be told without that stipulation, I probably wouldn't have been nearly as accurate as I was, it really forced me to pay close attention to everybody.


did you kill Question 33 because my plan?

[Thawmus]

I don't know if Thawmus was sure all the time about me as Wonder Woman.

I change my stategy ALL the time. :p

You said "force" and "truth" in the same sentence.

That pretty much was all I needed. I'm pretty sure Rokk figured it out as well.

[CarlosMucha]

That's what I kept saying, Peers. Don't underestimate the foreigner!

I have the following apologies to make:

To Rokk_Krinn, for having ordered your death yet again (I was the replacement Don of JLA-44, Peers, not KaineMak.)

To KaineMak, for having voted to lynch you. I tried hard to get attention drawn away from you and only voted to lynch when I realized that I couldn't save you. Like a true Don, I masterminded the lynch over to my colleague in crime.

A message to Shel: Darn you, woman! :laugh: This is the second time that I have been Mafia Don and have been sent to the gallows thanks to you! Darn your female intuition! (BTW, very well played - you trusted your instincts and they served you well!!) :cool:

A message to thawmus: You were a most worthy opponent, so I take some solace in the fact that you got killed soon after I was lynched. I don't know how SBP didn't get you early in the game, as you were a clear threat to all non-New Earth aligned folks. Ironically, Carlos' intervention equally doomed me and you.

My brain's still hurting from all the twists and turns of the game, but I had great fun. At least I was the last Mafia standing this time.

Thanks, Peers! I look forward to the next one!

I love the fact what Batman fall for last as well with Superboy. you were a mastermind!l! :p

[CarlosMucha]

Jacin was killed by Superboy Prime, the other mafia's wonder woman, Joker, and the other mafia's Superman.

Quite the joint effort. :cheeky:

I was sure what they were NOT working togheter for the first nifht write out.

Peers: what Question NE say "they are working toghether!" ???

[Rokk_Krinn]

Three out of three times I've been randomly assigned Mafia in Peer's games. Three out of three. If only the lotto treated me like this. :p

*whistles innocently*

[kontrol]

I'm not soo sure. If I'm a villian and there is 2 killers out there, and somebody can defend me. I don';t know if I will kill that guy. it was a small change what i have with a small idea and I give a change.

soo everybody was sure of who I was all the time or not?
I figured it out a couple days in. It took me a while, but my instincts were saying you were New-Earther.

It took me forever to figure out the serial-killer. For a while, I thought about Shade the Changing Man or Dial H for Hero, then an brainwashed Superboy before finally settling on Superboy Prime.

[charlesx]

*whistles innocently*

*puts Rokk's name back on the top of my "things for da boyz to do" list*

:cool:

[Thawmus]

Your technique helped me ferret people out actually. May not have seemed helpful and I was wondering for the longest how you stayed alive, but trust me, without you the Joker would not have been nearly as effective in this game.

And boy were you! It was too methodical for words. :)

[Rokk_Krinn]

*puts Rokk's name back on the top of my "things for da boyz to do" list*

:cool:

That sounds way too much like a Carlos statement. *shudder*

[Thawmus]

A message to thawmus: You were a most worthy opponent, so I take some solace in the fact that you got killed soon after I was lynched. I don't know how SBP didn't get you early in the game, as you were a clear threat to all non-New Earth aligned folks. Ironically, Carlos' intervention equally doomed me and you.

Thanks! I have a fun time with this. I get to be an utter prick, without apologies.


Okay, I apologize. ;)


In any case, out of curiosity, who would you have killed the next night, had vicious been capable of being lynched?

[kontrol]

did you kill Question 33 because my plan?
Not necessarily because of your plan, but Scott was someone on my radar for so long, I figured I had to take him out. I thought that if I let him go, this'll be the night he comes in and does something. Which left me open to charlesx who I thought was Mafia as well, I was just hoping that Plas would redirect him that night.

[vicious x]

You thought I was Mafia? Anything in particular that gave you that idea?

sorry I had to kill you, but I thought you were mafia, when the flash was killed everyone said that there was an autolyncher,.... but said no. and when thawmus tossed out carlos name to be lynched and you quickly jumped on that wagon. I figured you were one.

[Iron Ham]

I never did anything with my power... and won.

Just like Wild West Mafia!

[kontrol]

Not necessarily because of your plan, but Scott was someone on my radar for so long, I figured I had to take him out. I thought that if I let him go, this'll be the night he comes in and does something. Which left me open to charlesx who I thought was Mafia as well, I was just hoping that Plas would redirect him that night.
Course that plan also meant I was open to SBP, but I figured I was a goner anyway and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to secure a win for your side.

[Melkhor]

sorry I had to kill you, but I thought you were mafia, when the flash was killed everyone said that there was an autolyncher,.... but said no. and when thawmus tossed out carlos name to be lynched and you quickly jumped on that wagon. I figured you were one.

Well, we still don't know what actually happened with that vote (care to comment on that Peers?), I just figured it was far more logical to have the Flash with a drawback that would make him easily killed during a "Crisis" than anything else.

And as for lynching Carlos, I simply followed Thawmus because I trusted him. The moment he retracted his vote, I did as well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I never did anything with my power... and won.

Just like Wild West Mafia!
No, you did one very very very important thing with your power in the WWM game.

You roleblocked the Jester. :tired:

[vicious x]

Thanks! I have a fun time with this. I get to be an utter prick, without apologies.


Okay, I apologize. ;)


In any case, out of curiosity, who would you have killed the next night, had vicious been capable of being lynched?

any reason why I was on your radar? besides being a serial killer? :)

[Calabolg]

A message to thawmus: You were a most worthy opponent, so I take some solace in the fact that you got killed soon after I was lynched. I don't know how SBP didn't get you early in the game, as you were a clear threat to all non-New Earth aligned folks. Ironically, Carlos' intervention equally doomed me and you.

I second that statement. *shakes fist at Thawmus* ;)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Maybe I misunderstood but I never thought there was an auto-lynch so much as Peers just decided a "majourity" had been reached and once that happened there was no going back, just because he wasn't online at the time to "call the lynch" when it happened.

[Melkhor]

Course that plan also meant I was open to SBP, but I figured I was a goner anyway and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to secure a win for your side.

Seing how this went down I'm glad I didn't go with my first instinct and Roleblock you the 2nd night though. If I had done so, and thus deducted from the write-up that I had found the Joker, you would have been strung up for sure.

Can you imagine trying to sell the story to us that the JOKER (who had only just killed Robin the night before), of all people, was on our side? :laugh:

[Antipathy]

Three out of three times I've been randomly assigned Mafia in Peer's games. Three out of three. If only the lotto treated me like this. :p

Same here. I've been an independent in all of his games, first as a serial killer hunter, then the serial killer, and now as a un-night killable random person.

I just want to be on a team for once. :grin:

[Calabolg]

I'm curious, prior to batfink getting tagged, was I on anyone's radar?

And charlesx, you were don too right? Go first timers! :grin:

[charlesx]

In any case, out of curiosity, who would you have killed the next night, had vicious been capable of being lynched?

No one. I never had a kill power, and as a Don I lost all of my minions. So, quite ironically, if viciousx had been lynched and I would have survived to the following day, I would only have been able to investigate. This basically means that thawmus would have survived the game, since I was sure to be lynched after viciousx was gone. Even though after Kaine was gone I could hurt no one, I decided to play it to the end, what the heck.

[CarlosMucha]

The only thing I can figure out is that he must've reasoned out one of them, then asked batfink's question and found out two more, and then deduced (or lucked into) the last one.

The reason he and vicious weren't around that night was, indeed, he had asked Superboy Prime who he had killed... so Superboy Prime went through the entire list, including everyone who died due to his punching time or his role in Infinite Crisis... which took a while.


Peers. I serius think what that question must be banned for future games. (the question: "Who are your team-mates?") sp?

is one of that things what are nice one time but can ruin the fun in future games. If I'm wrong let me know.

or maybe the answer can be less clear or something.

[Peers]

Yeah, the force-the-truth power won't be used in future games... I thought it might be too powerful, then saw who got it and said "Well, maybe not..."

Maybe I misunderstood but I never thought there was an auto-lynch so much as Peers just decided a "majourity" had been reached and once that happened there was no going back, just because he wasn't online at the time to "call the lynch" when it happened.

That is correct. I stated the time of the post that a majority was reached. I can't monitor the thread 24/7, y'know...

[vicious x]

No one. I never had a kill power, and as a Don I lost all of my minions. So, quite ironically, if viciousx had been lynched and I would have survived to the following day, I would only have been able to investigate. This basically means that thawmus would have survived the game, since I was sure to be lynched after viciousx was gone. Even though after Kaine was gone I could hurt no one, I decided to play it to the end, what the heck.

so Don's can't kill? also what was the deal with Scott he wasn't online for a few days,... does that mean he didn't do anything or can the don make his move as Kontrol talked about.

[Antipathy]

No one. I never had a kill power, and as a Don I lost all of my minions. So, quite ironically, if viciousx had been lynched and I would have survived to the following day, I would only have been able to investigate. This basically means that thawmus would have survived the game, since I was sure to be lynched after viciousx was gone. Even though after Kaine was gone I could hurt no one, I decided to play it to the end, what the heck.

That's odd. In the first game Kingpin could kill, and he was the don.

[charlesx]

I'm curious, prior to batfink getting tagged, was I on anyone's radar?

And charlesx, you were don too right? Go first timers! :grin:

You weren't on my radar at all until Carlos ratted you out. Too bad that the Mafias couldn't work together. Had we been able to coordinate efforts, we would've been unstoppable!

And yes, I was the replacement Don after Jacinb was brought down. The bummer was that I did not have any kill powers. Once theanalogkid and KaineMak were out of the game, all I could do is try staying alive to the end and hope the other Mafia did what we could not.

What threw me for a loop was the "jailkeeper" power, if such a thing exists. I am still a relative n00b, but I am learning my way around Mafia games. I also was not aware that someone could autolynch. The best part, though, was that Peers had so many twists and turns built into the scenario that it took monumental effort to figure out who was doing what to who.

(For the record, for once I'd like to be on the good side. I'm not really evil. I'm just painted that way. :cool: )

[CarlosMucha]

so Don's can't kill? also what was the deal with Scott he wasn't online for a few days,... does that mean he didn't do anything or can the don make his move as Kontrol talked about.

he was with computer problems.

looks like when he come everybody was voting for him and he feel sad about it.

[CarlosMucha]

That's odd. In the first game Kingpin could kill, and he was the don.


Expect anything! :grin:

[kontrol]

Seing how this went down I'm glad I didn't go with my first instinct and Roleblock you the 2nd night though. If I had done so, and thus deducted from the write-up that I had found the Joker, you would have been strung up for sure.

Can you imagine trying to sell the story to us that the JOKER (who had only just killed Robin the night before), of all people, was on our side? :laugh:
Yeah, I'm not sure how I would have sold it. Or even if I could. The Joker is one of those villains with such name recognition trying to sell him as a townie aligned vigilante so early would have been suicide. It's the main reason I didn't even bother to say anything against the Joker being the serial killer until it was blatantly obvious SB was instead.

[CarlosMucha]

Yeah, the force-the-truth power won't be used in future games... I thought it might be too powerful, then saw who got it and said "Well, maybe not..."
...

ey! :mad:



:laugh:

[charlesx]

so Don's can't kill? also what was the deal with Scott he wasn't online for a few days,... does that mean he didn't do anything or can the don make his move as Kontrol talked about.

I was told specifically that I could only kill through ordering hits, since I never had a kill power to begin with. The rules for the Don might change from game to game (as in the case of the Kingpin), but I had to go with the rules that I was given. Trust me, I WANTED to kill!!! :laugh:

[kontrol]

No one. I never had a kill power, and as a Don I lost all of my minions. So, quite ironically, if viciousx had been lynched and I would have survived to the following day, I would only have been able to investigate. This basically means that thawmus would have survived the game, since I was sure to be lynched after viciousx was gone. Even though after Kaine was gone I could hurt no one, I decided to play it to the end, what the heck.
I thought the Don can still chose to kill, Doombot 3.1 did it in the first game. I was sure you were going to do it to me. But Superboy got a shot off before Carlos could nab him I guess.

[CarlosMucha]

Vicious.

I don't know if you already answer this , why do you don't kill me last night and choise kill Thawmus??

[Doombot 3.1]

I was told specifically that I could only kill through ordering hits, since I never had a kill power to begin with. The rules for the Don might change from game to game (as in the case of the Kingpin), but I had to go with the rules that I was given. Trust me, I WANTED to kill!!! :laugh:

The Kingpin killed by specifying a target and then by indicating that he would be the one who performed the hit. Couldn't you have done the same thing after taking over as don?

[Calabolg]

I was told specifically that I could only kill through ordering hits, since I never had a kill power to begin with. The rules for the Don might change from game to game (as in the case of the Kingpin), but I had to go with the rules that I was given. Trust me, I WANTED to kill!!! :laugh:

No, Dons *can* kill. You just order yourself to perform the hit, odd as it sounds. Trust me, I'd know :p

[CarlosMucha]

I was told specifically that I could only kill through ordering hits, since I never had a kill power to begin with. The rules for the Don might change from game to game (as in the case of the Kingpin), but I had to go with the rules that I was given. Trust me, I WANTED to kill!!! :laugh:


I was right about figure out what the Batmen don't have the power of kill people. :p But I was thinking you was Superman 44, not Batman.

[charlesx]

Vicious.

I don't know if you already answer this , why do you don't kill me last night and choise kill Thawmus??

In viciousx's place, I'd've gone after thawmus, too. Heck, someone in the Mafia should've taken him out the moment that Rokk was killed off. Thawmus did an outstanding job of leading the witchhunt (meant completely as a compliment, BTW!)

[kontrol]

I was told specifically that I could only kill through ordering hits, since I never had a kill power to begin with. The rules for the Don might change from game to game (as in the case of the Kingpin), but I had to go with the rules that I was given. Trust me, I WANTED to kill!!! :laugh:
That's why I like Peer's game, he's always throwing a wrinkle in it. I'm glad you couldn't kill though. :)

[charlesx]

No, Dons *can* kill. You just order yourself to perform the hit, odd as it sounds. Trust me, I'd know :p

Well, hell! In that case, my being a n00b bit me in the rear. I didn't know I could do that! Peers, is that correct????

[Rokk_Krinn]

So, out of curiosity, who all targeted me the night I was killed?

[CarlosMucha]

In viciousx's place, I'd've gone after thawmus, too. Heck, someone in the Mafia should've taken him out the moment that Rokk was killed off. Thawmus did an outstanding job of leading the witchhunt (meant completely as a compliment, BTW!)


but Vicius knew what I know what he was Superboy. maybe he can explain what I was a bad guy if he kill me, and try to sell the story about another bad guy. :cheeky:

[charlesx]

So, out of curiosity, who all targeted me the night I was killed?

I targeted you and ordered KaineMak to take you out, Rokk. I don't know who else came gunning for you.

[kontrol]

The Kingpin killed by specifying a target and then by indicating that he would be the one who performed the hit. Couldn't you have done the same thing after taking over as don?
I'm thinking Peers was trying to balance the game.

With two mafias both with Roleblockers, they could kill anybody short of someone protected by a doctor or bodyguard. He probably figured there would be more than enough death and destruction with things being the way it was. And boy was he right.

[CarlosMucha]

So, out of curiosity, who all targeted me the night I was killed?


you run A LOT that night Rokk :p

[Calabolg]

So, out of curiosity, who all targeted me the night I was killed?

I sent Scott Neelan to kill you. Batfink got redirected to you too somehow.

[CarlosMucha]

Vicius? are you over here? :p









....

[Rokk_Krinn]

Just making sure one of those lassos didn't belong to Carlos because I was going to slap him upside the head for not reading my final post better. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

Just making sure one of those lassos didn't belong to Carlos because I was going to slap him upside the head for not reading my final post better. :laugh:


.........:noid: :rolleyes:

[vicious x]

Vicious.

I don't know if you already answer this , why do you don't kill me last night and choise kill Thawmus??

I knew I wasn't going to win with sooo many new earthers but I figure if I killed you there was no way I could explain that. so if I killed thawmus I could say that I killed the guy that you pointed out as possible mafia. I was hoping I could get away with "I'm Superboy of new earth" :) and with my history of killing mafia and lynching with the cops,.... plus with the joker being killed I was trying to pass off that he was the serial killer,....


with all of that I thought I could just say let me live one more nigh and lynch someone else. then I would kill biz and the next night try to pass that iron had to be the last mafia,... lynch him and kill you at the end. figure kit was nice to me so she may live :)

[batfink]

We talked about nighht killing kontrol 3 or 4 times.
I roleblocked Thawmus once and it went to someone else so I never tried agian. Couldn't killed you at night, & we couldn't kill you during the day. :angry:

We also talked about roleblocking Carlos that last night I was alive, that would have saved my team mates.

[CarlosMucha]

I knew I wasn't going to win with sooo many new earthers but I figure if I killed you there was no way I could explain that. so if I killed thawmus I could say that I killed the guy that you pointed out as possible mafia. I was hoping I could get away with "I'm Superboy of new earth" :) and with my history of killing mafia and lynching with the cops,.... plus with the joker being killed I was trying to pass off that he was the serial killer,....


with all of that I thought I could just say let me live one more nigh and lynch someone else. then I would kill biz and the next night try to pass that iron had to be the last mafia,... lynch him and kill you at the end. figure kit was nice to me so she may live :)

good try but not working. Peers say what you were really mad with the Joker for kill Question 33. :p

[charlesx]

Mafia JLA-33, I was rooting for ya the whole time, guys! :)

[kontrol]

I knew I wasn't going to win with sooo many new earthers but I figure if I killed you there was no way I could explain that. so if I killed thawmus I could say that I killed the guy that you pointed out as possible mafia. I was hoping I could get away with "I'm Superboy of new earth" :) and with my history of killing mafia and lynching with the cops,.... plus with the joker being killed I was trying to pass off that he was the serial killer,....


with all of that I thought I could just say let me live one more nigh and lynch someone else. then I would kill biz and the next night try to pass that iron had to be the last mafia,... lynch him and kill you at the end. figure kit was nice to me so she may live :)
If Superboy Prime hadn't been outed you might have gotten away with it. But I'm guessing you had the must kill drawback like I did, that's probably what sealed your fate. Being locked away that day didn't help you either, nor did Shel protecting Carlos.

edit - or was it Thawmus, I forget. brain's melting down from overheating.

[kontrol]

We talked about nighht killing kontrol 3 or 4 times.

Really, what changed your mind?

[batfink]

Losing Scott for a week really hurt.
We had no info.
I also had no idea voting "No Lynch" was bad.

[Melkhor]

If Superboy Prime hadn't been outed you might have gotten away with it. But I'm guessing you had the must kill drawback like I did, that's probably what sealed your fate. Being locked away that day didn't help you either, nor did Shel protecting Carlos.

Claiming to be "Superboy of New Earth" also carries another problem with it, namely the fact that there's no such character! ;)

[batfink]

Really, what changed your mind?
We always decided someone else was more dangerous.
We had no Intel and were guessing.

[batfink]

I was alos amazed by the "Carlos is Batzarro" & "Batfink returned from the dead" theories.

[Calabolg]

Mafia JLA-33, I was rooting for ya the whole time, guys! :)

Haha, feeling's mutual. :) (Well, except for the night Jacin killed our Don :p But I guess we got our revenge the next night). We almost did it. If we only we didn't keep picking the same targets :p

[Rokk_Krinn]

Claiming to be "Superboy of New Earth" also carries another problem with it, namely the fact that there's no such character! ;)

I was thinking the bigger problem was the estates of S&S coming along and suing Vicious for using the name. :grin:

One thing I'll admit to was that I thought Carlos was maybe Lady Quark - Vigilante - the night that I got killed; he had implied that he had removed one person and enjoyed it and that sounded like the "vendetta" death of Breach to me. So, I was wrong but that's why I was so protective of Carlos that evening....even wasting my power to protect him.

[kontrol]

Losing Scott for a week really hurt.
We had no info.
I also had no idea voting "No Lynch" was bad.
But if you found out I was the Joker would you have night killed me or tried to get me lynched.

Cause I'll be honest. I'm shocked that i went as long as I did without so much as an investigation into who I was.

Don't get me wrong, it helped me a great deal, but I was really surprised.

[Thawmus]

any reason why I was on your radar? besides being a serial killer? :)

When I pressured you, it was just like I said. You presented the situation as a win-win situation. Which, at that stage of the game, really wasn't how a townie would feel.

Matter of fact, I had you pegged as either being the serial killer, or the opposite mafia as charlesx.

Either one would be happy to see charlesx die, and it wouldn't matter whether it happened that day or the next.


Also, as most people have discovered over time, my lynch votes are used as a tool more than anything else. I seldomly stick to my vote until the very end, because I'm not really looking to convict anyone. And yeah, I falsify evidence a bit so that more people will pile on.

There's a few things I look for (that I won't publicize, since I'll be playing future games) that tip me off one way or the other, and it kinda depends on how much I want the pressure poured on. But in general, I can tell toward the end of the vote, whether or not we're lynching a good guy or not. You'll notice I retracted my votes against both Superman and Flash to a no vote. That usually means that I'm 100% sure they're a good guy. Not just a little sure. I wanted to make sure in both instances.

Also, when I do that, most people understand by now why I do that. So when someone finalizes a vote anyways? That's when I start making my suspect list.

I also see a sandwich board effect going on at times, which tips me off. I don't remember who it was we were about to lynch, but the votes went from 0-60 MPH in a half a second, which told me that the mafia wanted them gone. Mafia are typically more active than you think.


If it's any consolation, I'm utterly worthless to play Mafia in person with. I can't hold a straight face. I suck at Poker, too.

[Peers]

Well, hell! In that case, my being a n00b bit me in the rear. I didn't know I could do that! Peers, is that correct????

Your rear is bitten. I never said you couldn't have yourself kill... just that you needed to decide who did the killing. I thought you were just being careful in case you found someone who killed back... but nobody ever tried to kill IronHam...

[Thawmus]

But if you found out I was the Joker would you have night killed me or tried to get me lynched.

Cause I'll be honest. I'm shocked that i went as long as I did without so much as an investigation into who I was.

Don't get me wrong, it helped me a great deal, but I was really surprised.

Thinking logically during day phases always clears people off my list.


You were cleared off my list since day one. :)

[Melkhor]

When I pressured you, it was just like I said. You presented the situation as a win-win situation. Which, at that stage of the game, really wasn't how a townie would feel.

Matter of fact, I had you pegged as either being the serial killer, or the opposite mafia as charlesx.

Either one would be happy to see charlesx die, and it wouldn't matter whether it happened that day or the next.


Also, as most people have discovered over time, my lynch votes are used as a tool more than anything else. I seldomly stick to my vote until the very end, because I'm not really looking to convict anyone. And yeah, I falsify evidence a bit so that more people will pile on.

There's a few things I look for (that I won't publicize, since I'll be playing future games) that tip me off one way or the other, and it kinda depends on how much I want the pressure poured on. But in general, I can tell toward the end of the vote, whether or not we're lynching a good guy or not. You'll notice I retracted my votes against both Superman and Flash to a no vote. That usually means that I'm 100% sure they're a good guy. Not just a little sure. I wanted to make sure in both instances.

Also, when I do that, most people understand by now why I do that. So when someone finalizes a vote anyways? That's when I start making my suspect list.

I also see a sandwich board effect going on at times, which tips me off. I don't remember who it was we were about to lynch, but the votes went from 0-60 MPH in a half a second, which told me that the mafia wanted them gone. Mafia are typically more active than you think.


If it's any consolation, I'm utterly worthless to play Mafia in person with. I can't hold a straight face. I suck at Poker, too.


Well, no one ever tried to lynch me, or even voice any suspicion towards me at all, so I must have been doing something right while I was still alive :)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Thinking logically during day phases always clears people off my list.


You were cleared off my list since day one. :)

Oh, please, I was thinking logically when I tried to protect SStralkowski and you -still- misdirected me (which, actually, turned out to our advantage - only reason I had selected JacinB to protect was because I figured after he won the last game he would be a popular target and a "failed hit" on him might draw someone out).

[Jackofhearts2005]

If it's any consolation, I'm utterly worthless to play Mafia in person with. I can't hold a straight face. I suck at Poker, too.
Mafia in person is quite fun. I've played a few games with simple roles only: Doc, Cop, Mafia.

I had fun hosting full fledged Peers style mafia games in person, though.

It definately takes a labtop/notebook, numbering all players, and sometimes a dry erase board (when you make a role that has an ability that requires the host to do more than nod or point), but it is completely doable.

It was so cool watching a misdirector misdirect the doctor onto a tracker on purpose and a mafia guy into another mafia guy at random. :)

[Thawmus]

Well, no one ever tried to lynch me, or even voice any suspicion towards me at all, so I must have been doing something right while I was still alive :)

To be honest, you were suspect to me, and I was going to pressure you the day after you were killed.

The reason was pretty much how much you were following my lead. I had been so intentionally shady that it smelled fishy to me. :(

[CarlosMucha]

I was thinking the bigger problem was the estates of S&S coming along and suing Vicious for using the name. :grin:

One thing I'll admit to was that I thought Carlos was maybe Lady Quark - Vigilante - the night that I got killed; he had implied that he had removed one person and enjoyed it and that sounded like the "vendetta" death of Breach to me. So, I was wrong but that's why I was so protective of Carlos that evening....even wasting my power to protect him.


you protect me one night??!

[kontrol]

I was alos amazed by the "Carlos is Batzarro" theories.
Yeah, the wonder-zarro thing came to me right after I had eaten. I was trying to figure out how he could be so off so often and drifted off into backwards logic, which lead me to a bizarro. I didn't put a lot of weight into the fact that he could have just been, you know, bluffing until a bit after that statement.

[Thawmus]

Oh, please, I was thinking logically when I tried to protect SStralkowski and you -still- misdirected me (which, actually, turned out to our advantage - only reason I had selected JacinB to protect was because I figured after he won the last game he would be a popular target and a "failed hit" on him might draw someone out).

Well, you were pretty hard-nosed at the time. You seemed a little too stubborn to be a townie, so I figured I'd see if I could misdirect a mafia kill.

My bad, you're just stubborn. :p

[Melkhor]

To be honest, you were suspect to me, and I was going to pressure you the day after you were killed.

The reason was pretty much how much you were following my lead. I had been so intentionally shady that it smelled fishy to me. :(

Well, you acted pretty much the same way in the last Mafia game, and working with you gave us some good results then, so I didn't see any reason to presume differently this time around ;)

[vicious x]

If Superboy Prime hadn't been outed you might have gotten away with it. But I'm guessing you had the must kill drawback like I did, that's probably what sealed your fate. Being locked away that day didn't help you either, nor did Shel protecting Carlos.
no drawbacks, just bad moves on my part. yeah when you went out stating that there was a SBP, I was like d'oh,... but I didn't say anything I just went to kill you :angry: when charles started to say stuff,... I was like well I can get away with it if he was mafia,... and both were true,,... I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those kids and carlos

[kontrol]

but nobody ever tried to kill IronHam...
There were a couple times I thought about though. Glad I never went through with it.

[Calabolg]

To be honest, you were suspect to me, and I was going to pressure you the day after you were killed.

The reason was pretty much how much you were following my lead. I had been so intentionally shady that it smelled fishy to me. :(

Ah, there you go Melkhor. I think that may have been the reason I had a hunch you were mafia.

[kontrol]

no drawbacks, just bad moves on my part. yeah when you went out stating that there was a SBP, I was like d'oh,... but I didn't say anything I just went to kill you :angry: when charles started to say stuff,... I was like well I can get away with it if he was mafia,... and both were true,,... I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those kids and carlos
I sat on two full phases with that information. I was hoping somebody would see it and say something. Because it was getting to that point where I could see the Mafia was going to be eliminated and SBP was going to be a real big threat.

And I didn't want to get shot by the paranoid room guy, so I preferred doing it by lynching.

[batfink]

Did any townies have PM privilages?

[Melkhor]

Did any townies have PM privilages?

Batman and Robin did, not that it did them much good seing how Robin went down hard in round 1! :)

[kontrol]

Batman and Robin did, not that it did them much good seing how Robin went down hard in round 1! :)
Well choosing him was better than my initial choice. If I went with who I wanted to go with originally to begin the game, we would have never known what earth anybody was from.

[Melkhor]

Or dear god, imagine the horror if you had actually taken Mid-Nite out on night one. Had that happened this game would have ended when all of our heads simultaneously blew up from the total and utter confusion and frustration :)

[CarlosMucha]

Or dear god, imagine the horror if you had actually taken Mid-Nite out on night one. Had that happened this game would have ended when all of our heads simultaneously blew up from the total and utter confusion and frustration :)


yes. that will be very not good. Midnite was really important!

[Peers]

I still think my favorite line of the game was "How many Supermans do we have here???"

The 'multiples of the same character' twist worked every bit as good as I'd hoped it would.

[CarlosMucha]

I still think my favorite line of the game was "How many Supermans do we have here???"

The 'multiples of the same character' twist worked every bit as good as I'd hoped it would.


yes!

and I was thinking they will be more triples! :p

I did not know about how many Mafia and Heroes must be in a game. the next time I will be prepair!

BTW: NEW avatar time with the NEW Justice League!

[JacinB]

You're welcome. :grin: Hey, I didn't get to play either, so at least we're square in that regard. You got the ol' *is a good player, so might as well get them out of the way* treatment, I'm afraid, which is one of the only logical options the Mafia has early on.
For the record, I not only ordered your hit on the first night, but I performed it myself. And, it wasn't so much that you were a good player as it was that it seems to be something of a tradition, now, to kill you the first night. :)

That you were the leader of the rival mafia was just gravy. :cheeky:

[kontrol]

Or dear god, imagine the horror if you had actually taken Mid-Nite out on night one. Had that happened this game would have ended when all of our heads simultaneously blew up from the total and utter confusion and frustration :)
Yeah that would have been total chaos.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I would like to give Carlos kudos for being so fast - and doing a good job - at putting together that snazzy avatar representing this thread. Seriously, rep headed your way (some of us do that when we like the work other people do :cheeky: ).

[CarlosMucha]

no drawbacks, just bad moves on my part. yeah when you went out stating that there was a SBP, I was like d'oh,... but I didn't say anything I just went to kill you :angry: when charles started to say stuff,... I was like well I can get away with it if he was mafia,... and both were true,,... I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those kids and carlos


he he he.


filler

[CarlosMucha]

it was soo cool Robin dying the first night by the Joker :laugh:

[Jackofhearts2005]

it was soo cool Robin dying the first night by the Joker :laugh:
Yeah...it was freaking awesome. :cheeky:

[CarlosMucha]

I would like to give Carlos kudos for being so fast - and doing a good job - at putting together that snazzy avatar representing this thread. Seriously, rep headed your way (some of us do that when we like the work other people do :cheeky: ).


thank you! :classic:

[CarlosMucha]

Yeah...it was freaking awesome. :cheeky:



LOL :p :cheeky:

:nervous:

[Peers]

Three hot chicks and the only guy on the team is blind. Figures.

[CarlosMucha]

Three hot chicks and the only guy on the team is blind. Figures.


he SAY what he is blind. ;)

(look that half smile in his face)

[Calabolg]

I would like to give Carlos kudos for being so fast - and doing a good job - at putting together that snazzy avatar representing this thread. Seriously, rep headed your way (some of us do that when we like the work other people do :cheeky: ).

Whoa. That is awesome. Haha, yeah, kudos to you Carlos. Now, as soon as I spread some more of that rep around...

[CarlosMucha]

lol. well, I have some things to do now. see ya later!

[Iron Ham]

Hey, I want one!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Hey, I want one!

Well, if wishes were horses....than Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt would look a whole lot different.

[Thawmus]

Well, if wishes were horses....than Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt would look a whole lot different.


This is a DC thread, get your Marvel tomfoolery out of here!!!

[Antipathy]

This is a DC thread, get your Marvel tomfoolery out of here!!!

?

Johnny Thunder is DC.

[kontrol]

heh, we're in the games forum now.

and we have spoiler tags to boot

[Thawmus]

?

Johnny Thunder is DC.

I knew that!!!

.....................


*PMs Peers with night kill orders*

[Melkhor]

heh, we're in the games forum now.

and we have spoiler tags to boot

Wait, did Superboy-Prime just hit reality again? I thought you guys had taken care of him? :p

[KitsuShel]

Message from DocDoom
oo shel can u post something for me in the old mafia thread???? I NEED to tell thawmus this so i gain some of my respect back

I was NOT asking another tracker to roleclaim out of stupidity, i was trying my hardest to hint to thawmus there are more than 1 doctors this time around. So two trackers could have safely role claimed
Of course, something VERY important we learned this game is, u can NEVER safely role claim, because the mafia has role blockers

[CarlosMucha]

DocDoom187: oo shel can u post something for me in the old mafia thread???? I NEED to tell thawmus this so i gain some of my respect back

I was NOT asking another tracker to roleclaim out of stupidity, i was trying my hardest to hint to thawmus there are more than 1 doctors this time around. So two trackers could have safely role claimed
Of course, something VERY important we learned this game is, u can NEVER safely role claim, because the mafia has role blockers


from were is that?

[KitsuShel]

from were is that?

AOL IM

[CarlosMucha]

AOL IM


oh! soo... Doom187 is "here"?!

Hi Doom!

don't respond yet! :p

see you soon!

[sstralkowski]

Its a shame I had to pick the previous night who to target, cause it would have been cool if I could have leaped to save Stan. :(

Aww shucks. :nervous:

[sstralkowski]

Read up to page 110 so far, but wanted to post this so that maybe someone can comment before I get caught up.

1) What happened day 2 when I was lynched? Why the delay?

2) Everyone seems to think I didn't defend myself at all, however, I did everything I could aside from role-claiming. Given the choice again, I'd do the same. I'm not going to be the guy people know they can pressure into cracking and giving info out real easy. You want to take the chance that I'm bad? Fair enough, but if I'm not, then you're going to look like a schlub.

[sstralkowski]

ok, I'm caught up now. Good game guys. Wish I could have played a bigger role, but like Peers said, if no one died, the game would last forever. :)

[sstralkowski]

Nothing? Not even an Iron Ham combo breaker?

[Thawmus]

2) Everyone seems to think I didn't defend myself at all, however, I did everything I could aside from role-claiming. Given the choice again, I'd do the same. I'm not going to be the guy people know they can pressure into cracking and giving info out real easy. You want to take the chance that I'm bad? Fair enough, but if I'm not, then you're going to look like a schlub.

That's just the strategy I decided to use this game, to be honest. I needed to force someone to roleclaim that didn't have a tracker role in the beginning, so we had someone to rally behind. And I was kinda hoping you'd become that person, after you roleclaimed. Unfortunately, you only did it after the vote was maxed out.

Since you didn't do anything the first night, I figured you had a defensive power. Which meant that having you roleclaim and become a point of reference for everyone was a safe bet, especially since the mafia would have to coordinate roleblockers in order to take you out.

Again, a part I don't think you fully understood is that I don't lean on people when I think they're bad. I lean on people typically to figure out if the mafia is voting them off or not, and who's voting, and why.

You defended yourself fine. I was getting leads on people who were reading what you wrote, and ignored it. ;)

Faulty logic sends off warning bells for me, every time.

And I did retract my vote at the end, if you remember right. I knew you were a hero at that point, and I had a lead on someone else.

Which, really didn't work out, because I was about to vote for TMNT99, actually......and he was a good guy. But seriously, the stuff he was saying did not make sense at that point. I was pretty sure he was lying.

[kontrol]

That's just the strategy I decided to use this game, to be honest. I needed to force someone to roleclaim that didn't have a tracker role in the beginning, so we had someone to rally behind. And I was kinda hoping you'd become that person, after you roleclaimed. Unfortunately, you only did it after the vote was maxed out.

Since you didn't do anything the first night, I figured you had a defensive power. Which meant that having you roleclaim and become a point of reference for everyone was a safe bet, especially since the mafia would have to coordinate roleblockers in order to take you out.

Again, a part I don't think you fully understood is that I don't lean on people when I think they're bad. I lean on people typically to figure out if the mafia is voting them off or not, and who's voting, and why.

You defended yourself fine. I was getting leads on people who were reading what you wrote, and ignored it. ;)

Faulty logic sends off warning bells for me, every time.

And I did retract my vote at the end, if you remember right. I knew you were a hero at that point, and I had a lead on someone else.

Which, really didn't work out, because I was about to vote for TMNT99, actually......and he was a good guy. But seriously, the stuff he was saying did not make sense at that point. I was pretty sure he was lying.
I think what happened to TMNT was that he investigated one of the Supermen, but didn't get an Earth designation. Leading him to flat out state that he knew stral wasn't Superman. At the time, we didn't know we'd have multiples of the same character. That is not until the lynch went through and stral was revealed to be Superman of New Earth. Up until then, I didn't think we'd have copies of the same character. Though I'm sure that's why one of the Mafia killed him that night. It was clear that he could investigate and find out who people were and became a target that way.

Either that or he was misdirected, the first night.

[sstralkowski]

That's just the strategy I decided to use this game, to be honest. I needed to force someone to roleclaim that didn't have a tracker role in the beginning, so we had someone to rally behind. And I was kinda hoping you'd become that person, after you roleclaimed. Unfortunately, you only did it after the vote was maxed out.

Since you didn't do anything the first night, I figured you had a defensive power. Which meant that having you roleclaim and become a point of reference for everyone was a safe bet, especially since the mafia would have to coordinate roleblockers in order to take you out.

Again, a part I don't think you fully understood is that I don't lean on people when I think they're bad. I lean on people typically to figure out if the mafia is voting them off or not, and who's voting, and why.

You defended yourself fine. I was getting leads on people who were reading what you wrote, and ignored it. ;)

Faulty logic sends off warning bells for me, every time.

And I did retract my vote at the end, if you remember right. I knew you were a hero at that point, and I had a lead on someone else.

Which, really didn't work out, because I was about to vote for TMNT99, actually......and he was a good guy. But seriously, the stuff he was saying did not make sense at that point. I was pretty sure he was lying.

Gotcha. Good deal. I'll keep that in mind.