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Thanosguy

08/23/2007, 11:03

Does anyone watch or train in MMA? If so, post here! We can discuss UFC, PRIDE, etc., or just talk about how you train in Martial Arts!

Over the years, I've done many forms of MMA, and currently do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Hapkido, and Tae-Kwon-Do. This year, I'll also be starting a wrestling program, so that by the time I hit High School next year, I can join High School Wrestling!

As a side note, who else is pumped for the UFC Fight this weekend between Coutoure and Gonzaga?! Coutoure's going to win it all!!! Also, I totally expect GSP to lay a whupping on Koshcheck!!!!:cool:

theanalogkid

08/23/2007, 12:59

Do you watch Human Weapon on the History Channel? That features a fomer Mma guy named Jason Chambers.

Frontman

08/23/2007, 13:54

In the process of updating the Realms, we're going to redo the sports section. I've suggested "The Ring" for us to have an area for Boxing, Wrestling, MMA to be discussed.

Hang in there, gang. The Realms is gonna rock.

Typhon

08/23/2007, 14:17

I've suggested "The Ring" for us to have an area for Boxing, Wrestling, MMA to be discussed.

I actually had it in the pre-launch area ... but removed it because I couldn't find a suitable description. It was originally lumped in with all "other sports" like cheerleading and curling. LOL!

We'll get it in there ... just need a good all encompassing forum name and description.

JKLantern

08/23/2007, 19:23

I was part of my school's MMA club for about two weeks, before a theatre class I had took over much of my life. Haven't gotten back into it. The warm up alone was hardcore. We had to do five jumping jacks for every person in the room, five crunches for every person in the room, fifteen or so push-ups for every person in the room, and ten leg lifts for every person in the room. How many people were in the room? Forty.

The president of the club at the time was cool, but a little crazy. He had been in about eight local MMA matches, I think, and was known to attack other members of the club randomly during meetings. Before the warm-up one day, while we were sitting there stretching, he just tackled and started brawling with the club treasurer. It was kinda funny to watch, in its own way. Especially considering the club president was male and the treasurer was female.

Frontman

08/23/2007, 19:34

We're talking about the forum being named "Fight Club" to cover MMA, boxing, and the like. Whatcha you all think?

JKLantern

08/23/2007, 19:42

We're talking about the forum being named "Fight Club" to cover MMA, boxing, and the like. Whatcha you all think?

Works for me.

Thanosguy

08/24/2007, 15:12

We're talking about the forum being named "Fight Club" to cover MMA, boxing, and the like. Whatcha you all think?
Heh. That's cool.

Thanosguy

08/26/2007, 10:26

Did anyone watch UFC 74? Couture laid a whupping on Gonzaga!!!!! Oh yeah!!!!

Inbetweener

08/28/2007, 16:25

I watched it. Great stuff. GSP also handedly defeated Koschek.

Gonzaga could hardly do anything after that broken nose but he still managed to be a threat in flashes before Couture finished him...he'll be back.

Fight of the night though for me was Stevenson and Pelligrino...that was a war. (Nice new forum by the way).

FoxInStocks

08/29/2007, 09:45

Inbetweener

08/29/2007, 09:50

Meanwhile, what the hell was up with Babalu? Talk about uncalled for.

I have no idea. He's being withheld $25K right now. He said that Heath disrespected him or something...there is absolutely no excuse. He could've killed him.

FoxInStocks

08/29/2007, 10:01

I have no idea. He's being withheld $25K right now. He said that Heath disrespected him or something...there is absolutely no excuse. He could've killed him.

That's what I've heard. I couldn't believe it. I mean, it's one thing to hit a little harder or keep a hold for an extra second...but when the ref is trying to PRY YOU OFF, you've gone waaaaaay over the line.

Inbetweener

08/29/2007, 14:36

Well, the next event (non pay per view by the way) has me pretty excited. Bisping is so much fun to watch fight and of course the main event is Henderson Vs. Rampage. That is two guys who've been around for a while but who've never fought each other...should be a good one.

CroCop is fighting Kongo. Kongo doesn't impress me in the least but he is supposed to be better than what we've seen, so who knows. I say CroCop puts on a show.

But more than anything, I'm looking forward to see if Houston Alexander is for real or if Keith Jardine was just caught off guard. We'll see. The event is a week from Saturday so we don't have to wait too long.

FoxInStocks

08/29/2007, 14:49

Inbetweener

08/29/2007, 15:29

Speaking of Jardine, I can't believe he's fighting Liddell next. I think Jardine is a great fighter, but Liddell? Liddell is coming off a title-dropping loss. He's going to be BRUTAL for his next bout or two. Not that upsets don't happen (Hallo thar, Matt Serra), but I wouldn't want to fight Liddell for at least six months, or as long as he's proving himself again.

I hear you but then again before Alexander smacked Jardine around, Jardine handedly beat a very tough Forrest Griffin and was on a good run even before that (he lost a very questionable decision to Bonnar). I was sort of disapointed that it wasn't Jardine against Liddell instead of Rampage until Rampage proved he could win.

So, like Liddell, Jardine is going to be real hungry and he can really fight. That fight is going to be intense...I wouldn't want to be either guy, but Liddell should win. Someone's getting knocked out for sure.:knockedou

Thanosguy

08/30/2007, 09:42

Coture vs Fedor: Battle to determine which cyborg will conquer earth.

Also, I was so happy to see GSP slap Koscheck around. I can't stand Koscheck. MMA already has one loudmouth fighter (Tito, I'm looking at you). Seeing Koscheck get beat by GSP, who is always polite, was hilarious.

Meanwhile, what the hell was up with Babalu? Talk about uncalled for.
I agree with everything you said so much!!!! I REALLY look forward to Fedor against Coutoure!!! I really want Coutoure to win, but Fedor is just a beast!!!! I'm 80% sure Fedor will win, but I really like Coutoure better!!

And I really think Koscheck is overrated. Yes, he can get you to the ground, but then he never really does much.

Uncalled for, Babalu. So uncalled for. I thought we were trying to get people to think MMA isn't barbaric?!?!:disappoin

FoxInStocks

08/30/2007, 10:56

Fedor would beat Coture. I know Coture is usually the underdog lately, and then wins, but Fedor is Fedor. If Coture can't beat Liddell, he won't beat Fedor; Fedor is as good as Coture, but he's got youth on his side.

Koscheck, meanwhile, is over rated in the sense that everyone is ready to give him title shots. He's a great wrestler, but in today's MMA that doesn't mean much. He needs better striking, and more importantly he needs more experience. GSP outclassed him entirely, and his fight against Diego Sanchez was TERRIBLE. He may have "won" that fight, but I'd rather see an exciting loser than a boring winner.

Inbetweener

08/30/2007, 12:14

And I really think Koscheck is overrated. Yes, he can get you to the ground, but then he never really does much.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. I kept thinking that the match was a cross between Koscheck being a bit less then we thought and GSP just looking incredible.

GSP is my favorite MMA fighter but sometines he is too sensitive. I was really pumped that he beat Koscheck and for the most part, he did it on the ground.:squareeye

Rokk_Krinn

08/30/2007, 23:07

I thought Fight Club was supposed to be secret. Should the Realms be violating the first rule by making it public? ;)

Thanosguy

08/31/2007, 09:44

Fedor would beat Coture. I know Coture is usually the underdog lately, and then wins, but Fedor is Fedor. If Coture can't beat Liddell, he won't beat Fedor; Fedor is as good as Coture, but he's got youth on his side.
Yes, I think Fedor is going to win the fight. It's just that lately, Coutoure has been the man with the plan. He WILL figure out a strategy to beat you. And in this sport, even though a lot of people don't know it, using your brains can sometimes be better than brawling.

P.S. I still really do think Fedor will win, though.

Inbetweener

08/31/2007, 10:36

P.S. I still really do think Fedor will win, though.

You know I kept saying the same thing about Gonzaga and the Maine-iac...and just like you I'm doing it all over again with Fedor. You never know in MMA anyway but you definitely never know with Randy Couture lately...that guy has blown me away in his last two fights. He is like Batman; if you give him time to prepare, he can find a way.

I have all the respect in the world for Fedor but I'll be rooting for Randy as always. It's almost impossible not to at this point.

hail_eris

08/31/2007, 20:21

That's what I've heard. I couldn't believe it. I mean, it's one thing to hit a little harder or keep a hold for an extra second...but when the ref is trying to PRY YOU OFF, you've gone waaaaaay over the line.
I'm not a huge follower of MMA (watched the first few UFCs when Gracie was dominating things), but I had to check out the video of this. It cracks me up to see *apologists* for this clown commenting on the match. "Oh, it was only a few seconds." Okay, moron. You have demonstrated to me that you have never been placed in a chokehold by someone who knows how to inflict bodily harm.

Establishing cred time: I spent a few years doing competitive judo and I've done more club bouncer work than I care to remember. I've been knocked out exactly once, and it was by a guy in a totally friendly sparring match. He wasn't a regular, but a few of the old salts in the class knew him. I'd just made second rank brown belt and I was feeling all feisty. So I move to square up with the guy and he sits down. Total head game. Then he gives me the Morpheus "Come on" gesture. Okay, this cat's gotta get schooled. So I went in for a jacket choke and he throws one on me in response. We rolled each other just like the guys in that video. I *didn't* tap out because I was convinced that I almost had him. Not so much. He later told me that he knocked me out for my own good, because he figured that I wasn't going to tap. Well, thanks for that. Turns out the guy was on the '80 Olympic team and would have gone to Moscow, but for the boycott. Moral of this rambling tale was that this guy was good. In a matter of seconds, he put me (a reasonably experienced competitor, but clearly *way* out of my league) right the hell out. And if you're that good, you know that every second you continue a choke hold, you're getting that much closer to killing a guy. You need a degree of control that this Babalu joker clearly lacks. For the future of the sport, I hope they do a lot more than just yank half his purse.

Thanosguy

09/01/2007, 13:02

So, what does everyone think about Dan Henderson vs. Rampage Jackson next weekend? Both of those guys are monsters!! Personally, I hope that Rampage wins, because I feel that he is a great character for the UFC.

As for the other fights, Bisping is going to DESTROY Hamill!!! Hamill is good, don't get me wrong, but Bisping is on another level. I think he's close to getting a title fight.

Also, Cro Crop against Kongo will be another great fight!! I've gotta go with Cro Crop for the win, though. Kongo's a great striker, but Cro Crop is even better.:cool:

Inbetweener

09/04/2007, 09:10

It's tough to call that Rampage/Henderson fight because we may be seeing a surging Rampage. Overall though, I'm going with Henderson. That guy has been through some wars and comes out on top the great majority of the time.

FoxInStocks

09/05/2007, 16:30

For the future of the sport, I hope they do a lot more than just yank half his purse.

Personally, I think they should overturn the decision. I've watched a lot of MMA, and seen a lot of 'grudge matches', and I've seen some bad sportsmanship post-match (Tito, I'm looking at you, AGAIN), but no one ever tried to pull something like what Babalu did. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't be fighting.

FoxInStocks

09/05/2007, 16:32

I'd like to see Jackson win, 'cause I think he's a good fighter who's finally getting to shine, and he's a funny dude to boot, but he's evenly matched with Henderson. It'll be a good fight, I think; about on par with Jackson's latest bout with Liddell.

As for Bisping/Hamill, I think Bisping will win it because A) He's a better all-around fighter and B) I think he wants to be the one to hand Hamill his first loss.

Thanosguy

09/06/2007, 19:53

I heard that Sobral HAS been kicked out of the UFC.

Good.

FoxInStocks

09/10/2007, 23:10

So, UFC 75 ended being a damn good show, especially for a freebie.

Houston Alexander is crazy. Like, seriously. He ran right over his opponent. I'd be curious to see a rematch between him and Jardine and see how it goes.

Mirko was...I dunno. I'm still a little shocked that Kongo not only beat him, but made it look kinda' easy. I hope Mirko gets back into his groove soon.

Bisping / Hamill was INSANE. I seriously thought Hamil was going to win it. He was all over Bisping, Bisping seemed flustered, and I was honestly surprised to hear the decision NOT got to Hamil. Oh well.

The Jackson / Henderson fight was great, I thought. I'm sure a lot of the "we just came to see a knockout" fans got bored, but I thought it was a good show of skill and determination that was worthy of being called a "world champion" fight. Rampage is awesome ("I got JIU JITSU!"), and Henderson really shined.

Can't wait for UFC 76. Good times!

Thanosguy

09/12/2007, 20:57

Bisping / Hamill was INSANE. I seriously thought Hamil was going to win it. He was all over Bisping, Bisping seemed flustered, and I was honestly surprised to hear the decision NOT got to Hamil. Oh well.

Hamill clearly won that fight. He definately had octagon control, and easily won the first 2 matches. Don't get me wrong, I was really pulling for Bisping to win, but the judges were clearly biased.

I agree with everything else you said!!! UFC 75 was great, and I was impressed by every single fighter!!! (Except Cro Crop....:( )

StormX

09/12/2007, 23:54

Hamill clearly won that fight. He definately had octagon control, and easily won the first 2 matches. Don't get me wrong, I was really pulling for Bisping to win, but the judges were clearly biased.

I agree with everything else you said!!! UFC 75 was great, and I was impressed by every single fighter!!! (Except Cro Crop....:( )

Roommate and I didn't know what match the judges were watching.

We too were pulling for Bisping but definitely thought Hamill won it.

FoxInStocks

09/13/2007, 11:55

I was hoping for a Bisping win, too. I admit that I don't know the finer points of how judges score rounds, but it seemed to me that Hamil controlled Bisping all the way to the end of the third round. I think Bisping might have gotten the nod because he looked more in control in WHAT he did, whereas Hamil did MORE, but he didn't look like he had good form. His hands were down a lot, he wasn't following through on his takedowns, and so forth.

Inbetweener

09/13/2007, 15:23

I think with the Bisping fight he won because he kept coming and kept throwing while at the same time he defended against take downs effectively after round 1. He got outpunched though in the first round...I thought he won fairly but what do I know. It seemed to be a close call for sure.

Those fights were all pretty great. Mirko looks like he's had it though and that kind of bums me out. Houston Alexander is my new favourite...that guy is an animal. He has given me no reason whatsoever to believe he won't win the title. I see him and Liddell meeting after another Alexander tune-up fight. Liddell should beat Jardine of course but you never know. Maybe after Rua beats up Forrest, it will be Houston and Rua...that sounds like a semifinal before meeting Rampage. Either way that division is crazy tough.

StormX

09/13/2007, 15:34

I think with the Bisping fight he won because he kept coming and kept throwing while at the same time he defended against take downs effectively after round 1.

:confused: Were we watching the same match? I only saw Bisping backpedalling pretty much the entire 3 rounds. Now, that might be a valid strategy if he was somehow able to capitalize on it, but all I ever saw was him continually backing away, maybe throw a punch or two, but it clearly looked as though he was on the defensive at least 90% of the match.

TheAwesomeSlapstick

09/14/2007, 08:38

Enjoyed UFC 75 immensely. Houston Alexander is awesome. Can't wait until his next fight. He is dangerous, even when Jardine almost, *almost* got him. By the way, love how Jardine complained about fighting a "Nobody" and then got lifted, twice!! I hope the Iceman whoops him up good. Was a Bisping fan, until he acted like a punk after losing his fight, because he didn't win it. No matter how you watch the fight, kind of suprised actually how timid he looked in the fight backpedaling and running out of the way of Hamill. Cro Cop didn't look good, not what I was expecting at all. I was rooting for Dan Henderson, but could of cared how the fight ended because I am a huge Rampage fan as well. Anybody else think next month that Rich Franklin can beat Anderson Silva? Yeah, me neither.:knockedou

Inbetweener

09/14/2007, 10:09

:confused: Were we watching the same match? I only saw Bisping backpedalling pretty much the entire 3 rounds. Now, that might be a valid strategy if he was somehow able to capitalize on it, but all I ever saw was him continually backing away, maybe throw a punch or two, but it clearly looked as though he was on the defensive at least 90% of the match.

Hey, the fight is contested for a reason...I mean even Dana White weighed in on it and seems to be motioning to an immediate rematch. Bisping outpunched Hamil in rounds 2 to 3 regardless of whether or not he was backpeddling and he defended effectively against take downs. He was definitely guarded because he found out Hamil can hurt him with his hands in round 1 but I'm not so sure you can even say he was fighting reactively much less backpeddling as each time Hamil approached, Bisping would outbox him. I see what your saying though...he wasn't going after Hamil. But even though Hamil was coming, he wasn't doing anything effective offensively for rounds 2 and 3...at least enough to win those rounds...they were close though and could've gone either way.

Inbetweener

09/14/2007, 10:13

Anybody else think next month that Rich Franklin can beat Anderson Silva? Yeah, me neither.:knockedou

I think Rich can take him...why not? This guy was a dominant force for a long long time in the UFC and then got thumped by Silva. Franklin will work out a plan against that Muay Thai hold but that goes without saying...but can he out strike Silva? That's the question. That might be the most exciting fight left for 2007. I can't wait for it.

TheAwesomeSlapstick

09/15/2007, 02:05

I think Rich can take him...why not? This guy was a dominant force for a long long time in the UFC and then got thumped by Silva. Franklin will work out a plan against that Muay Thai hold but that goes without saying...but can he out strike Silva? That's the question. That might be the most exciting fight left for 2007. I can't wait for it.

No, I think Rich can take him, I just don't think it is very likely. I am a huge Rich fan as well, but after that first fight between them I am really interested to see how he is planning to attack Anderson. I can't wait either, there is a reason why Rich only has 1 loss in the UFC. He is great. It should be a great fight, and I am pumped.

FoxInStocks

09/19/2007, 10:55

So, apparently Tito Ortiz made a comment about the Hamil/Bisping fight. He felt Hamil won it (surprise), but then goes on to basically say that the UFC fixed the fight, because they wanted Bisping to keep winning.

I am so sick of this guy. Almost everytime he loses, or someone from his stable loses, he's got some conspiracy theory or excuse. Since he came back to UFC, he hasn't even convincingly finished anyone other than Kenny Shamrock. Griffin? Split decision. Liddell? TKO. Evans? Draw, and that was the closest he's come to looking dominant.

Inbetweener

09/19/2007, 15:47

It's true, since he's been back he hasn't really impressed...and with that division beefing up even more it will not be easy for him to fly under the radar and avoid fights with guys who I think will really smack him around...Houston Alexander and Shogun Rua come to mind along with of course Rampage and Liddell.

Ortiz had a great run after his loss to Frank Shamrock but yeah, at this point he looks like he's on the decline.

FoxInStocks

09/25/2007, 10:21

So...how 'bout that Keith Jardine? :cheeky:

For the record, I actually thought that Griffin would beat Shogun, but I thought it would be by decision. I never expected him to make Shogun tap.

What's up with the PRIDE fighters coming to UFC? Cro Cop drops two fights in a row, Henderson loses to Rampage (though Rampage is really a PRIDE fighter himself), and now Shogun looks terrible in his debut.

NotYou

09/25/2007, 21:59

Chuck only fought 1/2 a round.
He stopped working after opening Jardine up.
Don't think he's got his head in the game properly.

Inbetweener

09/26/2007, 19:21

I don't know Fox, I was thinking these guys might've used some substances in Pride that they can't use in the UFC. Then again, Rampage is still the man so who knows. If you called Griffin winning that then big kudos to you...I was shocked. I was also incredibly excited to see Forrest get the win...you can't help but root for the guy.

Jardine has proven that he is a warrior. If Chuck doesn't get to fight Wanderlei, then who does? Jardine? Forrest? Maybe Tito or Rashad? Maybe a tune up of some sort before he works his way toward Rampage? I don't think there is any question that Jardine has earned the right to fight Rampage next. I love upsets...even though we only had one decision, those fights were incredible (except for Nakamura's loss to Machida).

Thanosguy

09/30/2007, 21:09

I think that the Franklin vs. Silva fight is gonna be great! I'm really having a hard time deciding who I think will win this one. Anderson Silva is just a beast, but then again, so is Rich. After thinking about it for a while, I have to say that I'm leaning a little more towards Silva winning the fight, although I think I'll be hoping for Franklin to pull through. Either way, it will be a war!!

Also, the fight that I'm probably the most pumped for is Hughes vs. Serra!! I can't freaking wait for that!! We'll get to see just how good Serra really is. I'm going to be voting for Hughes, though. I really think that Serra needs to clean up his language. Don't get me wrong, he's a pretty nice guy, but he needs to stop cussing so much.

I honestly don't think that Hughes is much of a jerk. Sure, he's a little cocky, but Serra makes it sound much worse than he really is. Seriously, go visit Matt Hughes's website. You'll earn a lot more respect for that guy. I used to not like him much, but I've realized that he really is a good guy.

Thanosguy

09/30/2007, 21:19

By the way, who's watching the Ultimate Fighter? It's started off really good! I usually don't like many of the fighters who show up, as they are usually full of disrespect, but this season's fighters don't look too bad.

One thing that really makes me frustrated is that Joey guy. He's being such a baby, wanting to quit the show just because he misses his girlfriend and is upset over losing. That really makes me mad. When I get older, I will try to do everything I can to get in the UFC, and I could not dream of anything better than getting to go on the Ultimate Fighter. Those 6 weeks would be the best in my life, and I can't believe someone would waste such an opportunity.:(

Thanosguy

10/21/2007, 14:35

.....Silva is unstoppable....:speechles

Seriously, I don't think there's ANYONE in that division that can beat him.

Inbetweener

10/21/2007, 21:26

Seriously though....I'm bummed for Rich but I remember a few years ago I was saying the same thing about him too. I still believe Anderson is the best pound for pound mma fighter in the world.

Inbetweener

10/21/2007, 21:27

Thanosguy

10/21/2007, 23:12

Anyone impressed with Tim Sylvia? I'm surprised Brandon Vera said he didn't feel as if he lost badly...one more round like round 3 and Vera would've been in some serious trouble. Tim deserves more credit and hopefully he'll get the credit he deserves when he gets his title back.
Yeah, I was actually pretty impressed when Tim actually striked with Brandon. His punches looked more quick and sharp than they usually are. Overall, the fight was pretty boring, but when the two weren't up against the cage, it was pretty good.

I'm guessing the next fight will be Kongo vs. Tim for the belt, since Randy has resigned. That should definately be interesting. I think that Kongo would probably win.

FoxInStocks

10/22/2007, 11:54

Anderson Silva is brutal. Seriously. The guy is incredible. He's going to be holding onto the title for quite awhile. Makes me wonder if Franklin should have taken a few more fights before re-matching Silva, though. He probably could have used another match to rebuild his confidence and shake off any rust.

Still, no shame in losing to Silva. I'm sure Franklin will still be a challenge for everyone else in that weight class.

As for Tim Silvia, I think he's walking a fine line in the UFC. He's winning matches, but HOLY CARP is he boring. He's one of the most cautious fighters I've ever seen. I recall hearing the UFC saying that they'd rather have an exciting fighter who looses over a boring fighter who wins, and Silvia is really becoming the latter.

Maybe Brock Lesnar will be a bit more exciting. :cheeky:

FoxInStocks

10/26/2007, 10:24

Some interesting notes from Dana White's UFC press conference yesterday. I haven't heard anything about Randy's conference, though.

- Randy is still under contract. He says that Randy was happy with his contract eight months ago, and now he still owes him two fights.
- Brock Lesnar sounds really commited to MMA. He's focusing on his striking and jiu jitsu training right now.
- Dana DOES NOT want Fedor in the UFC. LOL, yeah, right, Dana. Bitter, are we?
- The Spike TV deal is extended for four more years.
- Liddell vs Wanderlei is set. So, so awesome.

Inbetweener

10/26/2007, 18:29

- Liddell vs Wanderlei is set. So, so awesome.

Yes, really looking forward to this. I like that card overall so far.

So who gets to fight Rampage next? Jardine? Winner of Rashad Vs. Bisping? There are so many possibilities in that division...I'd like to see Jardine get another shot at Houston Alexander as well.

I think everyone agrees that Silva is unlikely to be beat anytime soon but Yushin Okami deserves a shot after beating Jason MacDonald. He beat Silva before of course but only due to a DQ. He is pure ground and pound and could potentially outscore Silva and win by decision (if he can last). Demian Maia is another guy who should crawl up that division and Chonan is on his way to the UFC now too. Other possibilites are Dan Henderson coming down to Middleweight or Matt Hughes moving up. Either way, Silva is in a class by himself right now.

Thanosguy

10/26/2007, 18:49

I so can't wait for UFC 79!!!! Hughes vs. Serra AND Liddel vs. Wanderlei?!?!? Holy cow!!!

Unfortunately, I am going to be on a cruise when that fight is scheduled!:surprised HOPEFULLY it will still be on pay-per-view when I get back, or I might just have to watch is on UFC Demand.

My predictions:

I think that Hughes is gonna lay the whupping on Serra. Trust me, I'm not one of those guys who think that Serra beating GSP was just a fluke, and I think that Serra has lots of talent, but I just think that Hughes is better. Plus, Hughes' team is losing so bad right now in the Ultimate Fighter, I think that will just add more fuel to Hughes.

As for Liddel and Wanderlei, I'm siding a little more towards Wanderlei. Liddel hasn't looked that good recently, and I think he's just moving on more towards the rock star life style. Granted, Silva hasn't looked that impressive recently either, but I think that he has what it takes to beat Liddel.

FoxInStocks

10/26/2007, 18:50

The *RUMOR* is that the winner of Liddell/Silva will face Rampage. It's stupid, I know, but that's the word on the street.

I don't even know who to face against Anderson Silva, though. Hendo and Okami are both good fights, but I don't know that I'd call either of them sure-shots. Maybe Hendo, but that's it.

Thanosguy

10/26/2007, 18:57

The *RUMOR* is that the winner of Liddell/Silva will face Rampage. It's stupid, I know, but that's the word on the street.

Wow. That would be stupid. Neither guy deserves a shot as so many others do. Right now, I actually think Forrest is the one who deserves the shot, but that would be a blow to Jardine, who has beaten Griffen. Houston Alexander is also definately up there, and I actually think he has the best chance at beating Rampage. (I'm desperately hoping that Rampage can hold onto his title for a long time, but Houston just scares me.)

I'd also heard alot of rumors saying the winner of Bisping vs. Rashad will get a shot. That wouldn't be bad, as both of those guys are up there pretty high in the listings. It would make much more sense than Liddell or Silva, at least.

hail_eris

10/26/2007, 19:09

I recall hearing the UFC saying that they'd rather have an exciting fighter who looses over a boring fighter who wins, and Silvia is really becoming the latter.
Most exciting "loser" ever - Irish Mickey Ward (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=714733194)

FoxInStocks

10/30/2007, 09:27

Wow. That would be stupid. Neither guy deserves a shot as so many others do. Right now, I actually think Forrest is the one who deserves the shot, but that would be a blow to Jardine, who has beaten Griffen. Houston Alexander is also definately up there, and I actually think he has the best chance at beating Rampage. (I'm desperately hoping that Rampage can hold onto his title for a long time, but Houston just scares me.)

I'd also heard alot of rumors saying the winner of Bisping vs. Rashad will get a shot. That wouldn't be bad, as both of those guys are up there pretty high in the listings. It would make much more sense than Liddell or Silva, at least.

I wouldn't consider Alexander a contender, not yet. Granted, he has two nice KOs now, and one is over Jardine, but I think Alexander needs a few more solid wins to get a title shot. I'd also be curious to see him go against a TOP ground guy, like maybe Hendo, to see how he fairs on the ground.

Thanosguy

10/30/2007, 23:38

I wouldn't consider Alexander a contender, not yet. Granted, he has two nice KOs now, and one is over Jardine, but I think Alexander needs a few more solid wins to get a title shot. I'd also be curious to see him go against a TOP ground guy, like maybe Hendo, to see how he fairs on the ground.
Houston has just really impressed me with how he's dominated his two fights. Yeah, he probably needs one more fight after this upcoming one for a title shot, but I think the guy has some serious talent.

Also, I've heard that Dan Henderson is probably going to drop down to 185. That would definately be cool. Could he be the one who may be able to contend with Anderson Silva?

FoxInStocks

11/01/2007, 13:12

Houston has just really impressed me with how he's dominated his two fights. Yeah, he probably needs one more fight after this upcoming one for a title shot, but I think the guy has some serious talent.

Also, I've heard that Dan Henderson is probably going to drop down to 185. That would definately be cool. Could he be the one who may be able to contend with Anderson Silva?

I absolutely think that Hendo could contend with Silva. I think Hendo can get Silva to the ground, and once there I think Silva's in trouble. Against a good wrestler, that is; not just anyone.

Still, that's all in doubt if Hendo doesn't go for the takedown. He seems really happy to strike lately, and I dunno' that ANYONE wants to be anywhere near Silva's clinch.

FoxInStocks

11/06/2007, 13:47

Brock Lesnar versus Frank Mir is set for UFC 81 in February.

Yay?

Thanosguy

11/08/2007, 23:41

Brock Lesnar versus Frank Mir is set for UFC 81 in February.

Yay?
Meh... could be interesting. I don't think that is good enough for a main event, though, so Dana better get some more exciting fights for 81.

Also, BJ Penn is fighting in UFC 80. That should be good. The thing that I don't like is that Dana White has said that no matter how the case goes, Sherk is going to keep the belt. I don't like that at all. If you get busted doing steriods, you should be gone. End of story. Especially if the UFC does start to get more of the wrestling guys coming in like Lesnar, as those guys are well-known for doing steriods. White needs to quickly establish a firm rule of no-steroids, and he missed that opportunity with Sherk.:ermm:

So, basically, the BJ Penn fight will be for a "temporary title," and then when Sherk gets back, the winner will face him....:rolleyes:

Mr Sunshine

11/11/2007, 04:55

FoxInStocks

11/11/2007, 19:19

Well I train MMA, I've been doing it for about a year. My brother is an amateur MMA fighter. I train brazillian jiu jitsu and muay thai. I frequently compete in BJJ tournaments, and you know I watch my fair share of UFC. So basically I'm sweet.

Muay thai is quite sweet.

Did anyone watch the EliteXC fights last night? If you strip away the dancing broads, the acrobat guy, and Goldberg's terrible interviews, the event was pretty good.

Though, I'm PO'd about the Kimbo Slice fight. Cantrell freaked out or took a dive, but either way it was a waste of a fight spot on the card.

Inbetweener

11/15/2007, 22:28

Yeah, Penn is fighting Joe Daddy Stevenson. That's should be a good one. I have to be honest tomorrow's card looks pretty strong...Karo is fighting Chonan and Spencer is fighting Edgar and then of course the aforementioned main events.

Can anyone verify for sure that Hendo will step down into the middleweight division? I know I mentioned the possibility of it but I'd like to confirm. I didn't realize Chonan was coming in as a welterweight and now Okami has left the UFC. I can't think of anyone else who can fight Anderson Silva.

I think Frank Mir and Brock Lesnar is worth the hype. It's a good opportunity for both and someone is going to get beaten quickly. When WWE fans see Brock in the octagon that has just got to be hugely exciting and let's face it, that guy is a specimen. I can't wait to see what he can do and if he's a bust no big deal, can't fault him for trying.

The card in December looks to be the overall best card of the year. I'll post my thoughts on that another time but I can't wait.

FoxInStocks

11/16/2007, 10:53

I haven't heard anything offical about Hendo stepping down, but I do recall him recently saying that he didn't want to. Of course, that was right after his Rampage fight, so maybe he's changed his mind since then.

I don't think this Saturday's card is that bad either. Bisping/Evans isn't really a main-event fight, but it should still be a good one. Plus, Spencer Fisher is fighting. War Fischer!

Thanosguy

11/16/2007, 19:15

Hendo is still considering stepping down, last time I checked. Dana is really pushing him too, and Hendo seems to be getting more and more interested. Personally, I think it will probably happen.

I'm really pumped for tomorrow's fight as well. As mentioned, Bisping vs. Evans isn't REALLY a main-event status fight, but it is still cool. What is great about the card is that we've pretty much got 4 great fights, all of which could be considered semi main-events. That's what's really cool.

Inbetweener

11/18/2007, 20:35

Oh well, not a great card afterall...some pretty boring fights, no real surprises and then we got to see Houston Alexander quickly grounded and brought down to Earth....I was one of many who fell for the hype. It will be interesting to see where he goes next. I doubt the next event will disappoint though.

Thanosguy

11/18/2007, 20:41

Meh.... none of those fights went the way I wanted last night...

I was hoping Spencer would win. He didn't.

I was hoping Parysian would lose, because I don't like his attitude. He didn't.

I was hoping Houston Alexander would dominate. He didn't.

I was hoping Bisping would win. He didn't.

Well, this next card is going to be great!!!! UFC 79 is probably the most exciting UFC event for me ever!!! I just can't wait!!! (Although I'm going to have to hope that Pay-Per-View still shows the fight for a few days afterwards, as I'll be on vacation when it happens.)

FoxInStocks

11/19/2007, 12:27

Sigh. Spencer Fisher. One day, he's going to get a title shot. :(

I was glad to see Evans win. I don't think Evans is THAT good, but I think he's better than Bisping, and I think Bisping was way more over rated, so it was good to see Evans toss him around.

I didn't buy into the Alexander hype, so his loss didn't come as a surprise to me. He caught one good striker (Jardine), which could happen to anyone. Then he knocked out another guy I'd never heard of. I think people just get too caught up in a dude whenever he scores one highlight reel KO.

Oh, and did anyone see the Strikeforce event on Friday? Sean Salmon got KTFO again, this time with a flying knee. Dude should find a new career, if you ask me. His highlight reel is going to be of HIM getting knocked out, not the other way around.

Inbetweener

11/19/2007, 18:50

Yeah, poor Salmon...he had seizures in the ring too. He had a solid run there for a while after Evans knocked him out but that ended hard again.

Hey, I'm sure you guys know this already but it's official, Hendo is fighting Anderson Silva March 1st at UFC 82. Now that is a fight...great striker going up against a guy who seemingly can't be knocked out and has only lost to greatest fighters in the world. That fight could potentially define the careers of both men.

Thanosguy

11/19/2007, 19:37

Hey, I'm sure you guys know this already but it's official, Hendo is fighting Anderson Silva March 1st at UFC 82. Now that is a fight...great striker going up against a guy who seemingly can't be knocked out and has only lost to greatest fighters in the world. That fight could potentially define the careers of both men.
I heard that as well, and boy am I excited!!! I really can't decide who I think is going to win this one. Both of these guys are just so great! It will definately be a good fight!

FoxInStocks

11/21/2007, 10:10

Hendo/Silva is a great fight and I can't wait to see it, but why is Hendo getting two title shots in a row, after losing his one and only UFC fight to Rampage? I mean, I know Henderson is a great fighter and he's about the only real challenge for Silva in the UFC right now, but I really wish the UFC would start ranking their fighters better, and not just hyping or rewarding fighters they want to push.

It's like Dana saying that the winner of Evans/Bisping would be a top 5 or 10 LW. What? So, Evans, the High Mighty Lord of Lay and Pray, is now up there with Cro Cop and Jardine and Wanderlei? Yeah, right.

Thanosguy

11/23/2007, 12:55

Oh, wow. I'm bummed out. I just read that Serra won't be able to fight Hughes at UFC 79, due to a back injury he just got while training. That's really disappointing. I was looking forward to this fight even more than Chuck and Wanderlei!! Oh well.:(

Here's to hoping Serra gets well soon!! He's probably feeling really bad right now.:sleep:

TheAwesomeSlapstick

11/24/2007, 07:52

thebecoming

11/24/2007, 09:53

Thanosguy

11/24/2007, 10:55

Glad to see there are alot of MMA fans on the boards.
Ive been watching since UFC 1 and the beginning of PRIDE.

A couple things.
1. For some reason Im not looking forward to Chuck and Wanderli. If this fight was like 2 years ago Id be interested. But its the fight everyone else in the world wants to see.
2. Anderson Silva will KO Dan Henderson. I do admire Hendersons comeback though. Silvia is in his prime right now.
3. Sera got hurt? That is the worst news I heard all day. I was looking forward to him beating Hughes.
4. Anyone know what Fedor and his brother are up too? Any word if they are signing with an organization? UFC?
5. Lesnar will be the new Tank Abbott. Watch and see.

MMA and Clix are my favorite hobbies. Hit me up anytime to talk either.
Welcome to the best thread around!:laugh:

Fedor went to sign with M1. Now Dana is badmouthing him all the time.:rolleyes:

Yeah, Serra's injury really bummed me out too. It's a really bad one, too. He may be out for a while. Ufc.com should have more info on that. And I can see why you're not that excited for Chuck and Wanderlei. Both fighters haven't been impressive at all lately, and I think a lot of fans right now aren't too pumped for what may be a 3 round long "both fighters are scared of each other and barely fight because they don't want to lose another match."

Silva is definately an awesome fighter. No doubt about that. But I'm not sure that Henderson is going to be all that easy to beat. In fact, I'm pretty split about this one. (Just as long as Henderson doesn't look like he did against Rampage. He really looked bad in that fight, to me.)

And Brock Lesnar is.... well.... not much for me to say here.:cheeky:

Thanosguy

11/25/2007, 14:40

OH MY GOSH!!!!!

Matt Hughes is still going to fight in UFC 79!!!! And guess who his opponent is gonna be:

GSP!!!!

This is awesome! They will be fighting for the Interim title, and then the winner will face Serra for the undisputed title sometime next year!

This is awesome! I can't wait!

FoxInStocks

11/26/2007, 10:08

I was bummed about Serra/Hughes all around, because it was two obnoxious loudmouths raging on each other. No matter who won, we lost. :cheeky:

GSP/Hughes is much better. GSP beats Hughes again, and HOPEFULLY GSP won't freeze up against Serra again.

On Brock Lesnar: No, he's not the new Tank Abbot. Tank couldn't wrestle. :cheeky:

I heard some interesting news on Fedor lately, and it's making me wonder if Fedor isn't being protected, or whathaveyou. Apparently the UFC was justified in not signing him, as he was asking (or his management was asking) for some crazy stuff: control over co-promoted UFC fights in Russia, making the UFC sign and set up fights for their unknown fighters, and so on.

Then, word comes out that Fedor's next fight will be against some Japanese kickboxer who has a 1-0-0 MMA record.

Brock is a national wrestling champ with a 1-0-0 MMA record. Maybe Fedor can fight Brock next. :rolleyes:

Inbetweener

11/26/2007, 21:53

2. Anderson Silva will KO Dan Henderson. I do admire Hendersons comeback though. Silvia is in his prime right now.

Right on for coming to the thread and dropping some solid MMA knowledge...however, I will eat my words if Henderson is knocked out (ever for that matter)....I just definitely don't see that happening. In fact, I think the fight will go either the distance or it will be stopped on the ground in the late rounds. Either way, I'm going with Henderson here. Silva is one of the best strikers the UFC has ever seen but Hendo has fought and beat the best fighters in the world before.

As a side note, the GSP Vs. Hughes fight is even better in my opinion. It will validate GSP as I believe he will win their rubbermatch. I can't wait for that one. That card could not get any better.

Fedor is a great talent....it's a shame he won't look to prove he's the greatest heavyweight in the world. His only loss was robbery anyway but he will likely retire without fighting the greats of his time.

Anyone here that former heavyweight boxing champ Riddick Bowe has decided to try out MMA?

FoxInStocks

11/27/2007, 10:06

Fedor is a great talent....it's a shame he won't look to prove he's the greatest heavyweight in the world. His only loss was robbery anyway but he will likely retire without fighting the greats of his time.

I know some Fedor fans are bringing up the fact that Fedor's management apparently were willing to have him fight Randy Coture in a 3mil deal, but they miss the fact that this fight was offered BEFORE Randy came back and won the HW title. It was AFTER he'd been KO'd twice by Chuck.

I like Fedor and I don't think he's ducking fights, but I do think his management is hell-bent on keeping him safe, and he's just happy to fight whoever they throw in front of him.

FoxInStocks

11/27/2007, 10:11

4. Anyone know what Fedor and his brother are up too? Any word if they are signing with an organization? UFC?

I think I read recently that Cro-Cop has expressed interest in fighting Alexsander again. I don't think Alex is signed with anyone right now either, so maybe he'll go to UFC to face Cro-cop? I dunno'. After Fedor's dealings with the UFC, I'm wouldn't be surprised if Alex is hesitant to go there.

On the other hand, after Cro-Cop's recent performances, maybe the UFC would let him go off to another organization to fight Alexsander.

Thanosguy

12/09/2007, 14:37

I've gotta say, Danzig looked pretty impressive last night. I don't think he can hang with Penn, Sherk, and the like, but in a few years he might be a serious contender.

Guida also really impressed me. He may have lost, but he really was beating Huerta bad at first! This was a great fight! I hope they have a rematch.

However, how would you all like to see Danzig vs. Huerta? I think that may be a good fight.

Inbetweener

12/09/2007, 15:08

thebecoming

12/10/2007, 12:37

The lightweight division is really stacked now. I mean Guida may have lost but it was an impressive loss and Huerta really legitmized himself...possibly two of the best fights of the year last night with Huerta/Guida and J-roc/Warmachine...great stuff! It was better than the last two pay per views combined.

Agreed. It definitely was a very entertaining show.
Looking forward to Mac Danzig fighting as a lightweight too.

Only a couple weeks away to the PPV!
Im psyched!

FoxInStocks

12/10/2007, 20:14

Huerta/Guida and J-rock/War Machine were both incredible fights. Though, I think Guida was the most impressive fighter of the night; he was whooping on Huerta until Huerta finished it. He really showed a lot of tenacity. I hope they bring him back.

Considering that Sherk's been stripped of the title, there's going to be a LOT of activity in the UFC LH division in 2008.

Thanosguy

12/10/2007, 21:34

Considering that Sherk's been stripped of the title, there's going to be a LOT of activity in the UFC LH division in 2008.
Yeah, but Dana's said that Sherk is going to still fight the winner of the Penn/Stevenson fight.:rolleyes: Doesn't really seem like a punishment to me. Sure, he may not be called the champion right now, but Sherk still gets the chance to become champ right away. That doesn't send the message of "if you do steroids, there will be big trouble," to me.

On a side note, Rampage and Forrest Griffen will be coaches for the next Ultimate Fighter! That is great news to me! Rampage alone will make the season worth watching! That guy is so entertaining! I also believe that Jackson will know when to be serious, though. I think he can end up being a good coach. And Griffen is also a really cool dude! It's official, I'm excited for this season!

FoxInStocks

12/12/2007, 09:44

Yeah, but Dana's said that Sherk is going to still fight the winner of the Penn/Stevenson fight.:rolleyes:

I didn't hear that part. Go Dana. :rolleyes:

He's starting to get on my nerves. I understand promoting your company and it's fighters, but he's making outrageous claims now.

Rashad Evans, top five LHW? Uh, no. Top five lay-and-pray LWH? Probably.

Forrest Griffin, number one contender? Look, I'm a HUGE Forrest fan, but if anyone should get the #1 slot it should be Keith Jardine. He knocked out Forrest and out-pointed CHUCK LIDDELL. Yeah, he got caught by Alexander, but I think Alexander's last match just showed that he's a one-punch striker who Jardine got caught by; it's not like Jardine was totally outclassed by the guy.

Dana seriously needs to tune down the hyperbole and the tough-guy stuff. It's not doing the sport any favors.

Thanosguy

12/12/2007, 18:47

Dana really is the UFC's biggest problem right now. (There was even a thread on that, I think.) I see what he's going for with his whole "tough guy" act, but it really is doing more harm than good. The LEAST Dana could do is clean up his mouth. When the big guy of a company cusses every other sentence, that really just makes the whole company seem a little dirty. And, Dana has made lots of people mad talking that way. Like Fedor. One of the big reasons Fedor said he didn't sign with the UFC is because Dana immediately started talking bad about his fellow Russians when they met.

Keith Jardine probably should be the #1 contendor right now. He must be feeling pretty cheated when Forest, who he beat, is next in line for the title shot. Granted, I think if there was a rematch, Forest would win. And Griffen stands a better chance against Rampage than Jardine does, in my opinion. But still, Jardine should be getting the next title shot.

Inbetweener

12/13/2007, 17:04

I have to agree 100% on Jardine being #1...although something tells me Jardine won't mind the wait and gear up for a rematch with Houston Alexander...he was arguably a #1 contender when he fought Alexander the first time around....I think that would safely legitimize himself with some payback and besides, Forrest is far more entertaining than Jardine and easier to promote...not saying it's right but I see why he's on the show and hence the challenger to quentin. Of course Forrest also beat up on the #1 ranked 205lber in the world pretty badly his last fight so he is definitely a good challenge for Rampage. Not to mention, the UFC would love to see Griffin with the title.

FoxInStocks

12/14/2007, 11:17

Not to mention, the UFC would love to see Griffin with the title.

I would too, but I don't see Griffin beating Rampage, not after what I saw from Rampage in the Hendo fight. Then again, Griffin seems to be good at surprising people. He surprised me in his fight against Tito and he SURE surprised me in the Shogun fight.

FoxInStocks

01/02/2008, 10:09

GSP is awesome.

That is all. :cheeky:

Thanosguy

01/04/2008, 19:33

I feel bad for Serra when he has to fight GSP next..........

Serra will lose, and then will fight Hughes, which will probably be Hughes's last fight, regardless of a win or loss.

And now in a few weeks, we're going to get to watch Penn become the Lightweight champion!!

FoxInStocks

01/07/2008, 10:50

I think Hughes will beat Serra, too. Well, maybe he would have. I dunno' how Hughes is after the GSP poundings.

Did anyone see the Fedor/HMC fight? I didn't see the fight but I saw some pictures, and HOLY CARP that HMC guy is huge. He absolutely dwarfed Fedor.

Thanosguy

01/08/2008, 18:47

I saw the Fedor fight online. (There was a link posted at MMAjunkie....:cheeky: )

All I have to say is WOW, that guy was huge! Here's how the fight went:

For a few seconds, biggy started to land some punches on Fedor, who soon tried for a take down. But all he could do is drive big foot into the corner, who then pretty much fell down on Fedor! It was pretty funny. The guy was just so big, all he had to do was fall on top of Fedor to take him down. From there, tallman obviously had no ground game, as he just continued to lay in Fedor's guard, throwing a few punches. Still, with just those few hits, Fedor was getting bruised up. I imagine it was hard to breath, too. Well, Fedor went for an arm bar, but it slipped out and he got to his feet. Then, Fedor went for another take down, and the same thing happened, with biggy falling on top of him. A few more punches from the top. A few more bruises on Fedor's face. But, finally, Fedor went for the arm bar again and got it, causing Giganto to tap out.

Not too great of a fight, but pretty funny to watch bigfoot squish Fedor!:laugh: Still, not surprising Fedor won. All the big guy could do was throw wild punches.

FoxInStocks

01/10/2008, 10:37

All the big guy could do was throw wild punches.

Really? HMC is an accomplished kickboxer, from what I've heard. I figured he'd be pretty effecient on his feet and (as it happened) get stopped by a submission.

Thanosguy

01/10/2008, 18:50

Really? HMC is an accomplished kickboxer, from what I've heard. I figured he'd be pretty effecient on his feet and (as it happened) get stopped by a submission.
Well, maybe his punches were good standing up, I'm not really sure. They were on the ground most of the time, and from there his punches looked kinda sloppy.

FoxInStocks

01/11/2008, 10:11

Well, maybe his punches were good standing up, I'm not really sure. They were on the ground most of the time, and from there his punches looked kinda sloppy.

Well, that would make sense. I wouldn't expect a guy with one MMA fight to do well on the ground.

Which makes me wonder, once more, why that fight was made. :noid:

Thanosguy

01/19/2008, 23:05

I've got to say, I was impressed with UFC 80. Those were some pretty good fights.

I love BJ! I just can't wait for him to beat the steroids out of Sherk!

Gonzaga disappointed me. I thought he was going to be the one who becomes dominating in the heavyweight division, now that Randy's gone. Too bad he lost. Still, this guy is a powerhouse.

Also, I see a bright future for "The Irish Hand Grenade." He is a very impressive fighter to me.

All in all, some great fights! Definately turned out to be one of the best cards in a while!

FoxInStocks

01/21/2008, 09:54

Thanosguy

01/21/2008, 12:22

I didn't watch 80. None of the fights really made me want to spend the money.

I was surprised to hear that Gonzaga lost. So, maybe Werdum is back to his winning ways?

Frankly, as far as the HW division goes, I think there's some good times coming. Brock Lesnar should be good entertainment for at least one fight, and then there's the Minotaro/Sylvia fight, and hopefully AA gets back in the mix soon.
The fights for 80 sounded kinda weak, but it really turned out to be a great show! There were tons of great knockouts and submissions, making a lot of fights pretty short. But that wasn't bad, because they showed many of the previous non-aired fights to make up lost time.

Gonzaga really gassed. In the first round, he was obviously winning. This dude's kicks are as powerful as Cro Crop's! He kept kicking Werdum's legs, and every time they would buckle and he would collapse to the ground. But Gonzaga just must not have good cardio, because it's almost like he gave up later on.

The 2 fighters that impressed me the most were Marcus Davis and, of course, BJ Penn. Davis deserves to start fighting the big guys now, I think. Maybe give him someone like Koscheck or Karo, both of who I believe he could beat. Then, if I were Dana, I would give Davis a title shot. The guy deserves it, with a 11 or 12 fight win streak. As for Penn, I just can't wait for him to beat up on Sherk. He absolutely dominated Stevenson, which was very impressive. I was pretty sure Penn was going to win, but I didn't know that Stevenson would get beat so bad.

All I can say is, I can't wait for the Penn vs. Sherk fight. Sean was such a jerk, going into the octagon after Penn fought and badmouthing him. All BJ had done was say he would beat Sherk when they fought, and then Sherk was suddenly throwing a fit, and the whole crowd was booing him!:laugh:

I still think heavyweight is the least spectacular division, but I must admit, it is starting to get the tools to be a great division. Every day, I seem to get a little more confident that Lesnar will be good. I also still really want to see Cro Crop get back on track. Hmm.... maybe a rematch between Gonzaga and Cro Crop? Both are coming off 2 losses, and it would certainly give something for us fans to be excited!

Thanosguy

02/03/2008, 12:21

Well then, 81 was pretty good!!

I've got to say, in the end, I think I'm glad Brock Lesnar lost. If he had won, then all the stuck-up wrestling fanboys would be laughing and claiming that all the wrestlers could come into the UFC and dominate.

This loss will also perhaps make Lesnar go back and train more in Jiu Jitsu. He showed amazing strength, and if he could learn how to avoid submissions and even deal some out, Lesnar could be a VERY serious threat to the title.

Also, Tim Silvia, even though he lost, really impressed me! He wasn't his usual "try not to lose, instead of trying to win" fighter. He looked better than he has for a long time. But wow, you just can't keep down Noguera! He also really impressed me! That was a beautiful submission! (Props to Frank Mir, also, who pulled off an equally beautiful submission on Lesnar! Dang, did he really set Brock up for that!)

Also, I was amazed at that one fight where the guy THREW the other fighter across the cage!!! That was pretty funny!:laugh:

All in all, a very good set of fights! But man, I sure can't wait now till 82! Every single one of those fights look good! I expect that card to be crazy! I'm also really torn about the Silva/Henderson fight. I really don't know who I think will win! :confused: Which one are you guys voting for?

Metal

02/29/2008, 11:04

UFC 82 is going to have a nice card. Hendo vs. Silva will be a great fight as will Herring vs Kongo.
I will also like to see who wins between Leben and Sakara, Okami vs. Tanner. I'm sure Okami will win but you can never rule out Evan Tanner, he's a crafty guy.

The Mattador

02/29/2008, 11:23

Did anyone see where CBS signed a deal to show MMA twice a year on Saturday nights? I'm not sure when the first one is taking place, but it will be this year...that's exposure to a whole new audience!

Thanosguy

03/01/2008, 20:23

I can't wait for UFC 82! Less than 3 hours to go!!!!

Here's my predictions on who will win the fights:

Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson: Man, this one is so tough to call, but I think I'm leaning a LITTLE more towards Silva.

Kongo vs. Herring: Cheick Kongo

Alessio Sakara vs. Chris Leben: Sakara

Okami vs. Tanner: Okami

Chris Wilson vs. Jon Fitch: Fitch

This is gonna be one exciting nights! Hopefully there will be some quick knockouts, as many of the pre-fights are gonna be good, too! Arlovski, Koscheck, and Sanchez are all fighting. Hopefully they'll get aired! (I wish Arlovski was on the main card!:( )

FoxInStocks

03/03/2008, 09:52

Okay, I offically call it: Fedor is no longer P4P king in MMA.

Anderson Silva now wears that title. Holy crow.

Also, my boy Andrei Arlovski got back to business. I don't know whats next for him, but I hope he either stays with UFC and gets back into the title picture, or heads over to either EliteXC or M-1.

The Coleman HoF induction was wonderful, up until he announced he was returning to fight Lesnar. Come on. So Lesnar goes from "I want to fight top guys" to suddenly fighting the Ken Shamrock of the HW division? I love Coleman, but this is the same as Ortiz/Shamrock and Hughes/Gracie, if not worse.

And Dana says that Kimbo and Fedor are farces...

Metal

03/03/2008, 10:59

Anderson Silva is by far the best in the division. He beat Henderson and made it look rather easy.
The only person to match against Silva now would be Matt Lindland and if Silva wins that match they will have to dig for a contender. I don't see Lindland being able to stop him.
I am still shocked that Herring beat Kongo.
I hope the Elite XC shows on CBS this summer has good matches. I really like the Elite XC shows and they could become just as big as the UFC if they provide good production of their shows and sign some well know fighters.

FoxInStocks

03/03/2008, 12:24

I agree on the Linland/Silva fight, but I'm not holding my breath on the UFC bringing Linland back anytime soon.

I'm also not too surprised that Herring beat Kongo. Kongo doesn't impress me much, especially his takedown defense. I still consider his out-pointing Mirko to be a bizarre one-time thing, just like Serra's KO of GSP.

FoxInStocks

03/19/2008, 11:05

Frank Shamrock says he can beat Anderson Silva. (http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080318.wsptmma18/GSStory/GlobeSportsOther/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080318.wsptmma18)

Oh, Frank.

PaxZRake

03/25/2008, 13:15

FoxInStocks

03/25/2008, 13:20

If they showed it for free, I suppose I'd watch Silva put on a quick knock out exhibition with Frank, but gosh that'd be boring.

I'd like to see Silva fight GSP in a weightless match. Put them both at their prime and see who the better athlete is.

That is assuming GSP has Serra's number, and I think he does, but time will tell.

My problem with a GSP/Silva fight is that it won't really "tell" you anything. If they fight at their usual weights in a catch weight fight, people will say that one was at a disadvantage. If either of them drops/gains weight to fight at the same weight class, then whoever made the weight change will be said to be at a disadvantage.

FoxInStocks

03/31/2008, 10:20

Metal

04/01/2008, 10:45

Man, the Frank Shamrock / Cung Le fight Saturday night was fantastic. Definitely one of the better fights I've seen this year.

Le's definitely got potential in MMA. I'm not calling to pit him against Anderson Silva yet, but...maybe by the end of the year. Maybe.

The one thing that was sort of a bummer about the fight was that Frank didn't try for any takedowns. I would have liked to see how Le faired against a ground-game of Frank's caliber.

I totaly agree Fox, that was an awesome fight.

Frank should have gone for the takedown in the third round and maybe he would have had a better chance.

If anyone has watched any of Le's San Shou fights they know any of his kicks could potentialy break a bone. Blocking them with one limp arm was not sufficient as we found out Saturday night.

I wish Cung Le the best in MMA, I have watched him for years as a kickboxer and I have always been a fan of his fighting.

FoxInStocks

04/02/2008, 14:02

Oh, and some other interesting MMA news: Tim Sylvia is offically out of the UFC. The UFC granted him an early release, and so now he's a free agent. He's already made mention of pursuing a fight with Fedor.

Personally, I'd like to see Timmy/Fedor. It'd be a great fight, maybe better than Coture/Fedor.

Metal

04/08/2008, 10:01

Personally, I'd like to see Timmy/Fedor. It'd be a great fight, maybe better than Coture/Fedor.

I would like to see this happen as well, I am not completely convinved that Fedor is as good as the rankings make him out to be.

I have watched most of Fedor's fights (I use to be a huge Pride fan) and I never thought he was that good. He would take way too many hits before he could manage to get them in a good position for him to win. Granted even Crocop could not captialize on this and he is a great striker, I think a persistent long range striker like Tim will give Fedor problems.

FoxInStocks

04/08/2008, 10:31

I would like to see this happen as well, I am not completely convinved that Fedor is as good as the rankings make him out to be.

I have watched most of Fedor's fights (I use to be a huge Pride fan) and I never thought he was that good. He would take way too many hits before he could manage to get them in a good position for him to win. Granted even Crocop could not captialize on this and he is a great striker, I think a persistent long range striker like Tim will give Fedor problems.

Tim, on the other hand, got schooled by Coture and Minotaruo on the ground. I think Fedor could provide that same problem for him.

I feel that Fedor is a top 10 heavyweight, and when he was fighting top 10 competition in Pride, he was on the cusp of being the legend he's made out to be today. Unfortunately, he hasn't fought a real challenger in a long time. Lindland wasn't even in his weightclass. Hong Man Choi was almost a sideshow.

That's why Fedor's "million per fight" requirement that's cost him deals with UFC and M1 Global bother me. Guys like Rampage and Anderson Silva are P4P-level fighters because they fight one top 10 guy in their weightclass after another. I honestly feel, at this point, that Fedor and/or his management are picking fights VERY carefully, if you know what I mean.

Heck, rumor has it that one of Fedor's stipulations during his contract negotiations with the UFC was that his first fight would not be with Timmy.

Metal

04/08/2008, 16:35

It has been confirmed Fedor will fight Sylvia on July 19th on HDNet.

Should be a good fight.

FoxInStocks

04/09/2008, 09:33

It has been confirmed Fedor will fight Sylvia on July 19th on HDNet.

Should be a good fight.

I can't wait for this fight to happen. I want to see just how good big Tim is, and I want to see how Fedor does with his first real opponent in, what, three years?

Metal

04/15/2008, 09:32

FoxInStocks

04/15/2008, 10:44

I'm not sure who to pick to win this fight.
Tim has definite reach advantage and a style that could possibly frustrate Fedor, while at the same time all Fedor has to do is take him down like Randy did.
It's going to be a good one.

Fedor has two problems with Tim: First, Fedor seems to cut easy and you know Tim is going to want to strike. Second, Fedor does NOT like to get punched. He has been rocked before.

Tim has one HUGE problem with Fedor: Tim's takedown defense against top-level ground guys is shaky (see: Randy Coture). If (or when) Fedor takes him down, Timmy is in trouble.

Shinigami

04/15/2008, 10:49

Man MMA is awesome! Sport for real men were every strike actually hurts and were mind has to be fast to figure out counters in matter of second. Yeah, I do watch it with passion. It makes wresxtling look lame.

FoxInStocks

04/21/2008, 12:33

So, UFC 80-whatever: The Next One was Saturday night. Pretty good card overall, but I can't say there was any one stand-out fight or upset.

GSP did what he was supposed to do one year ago. Rich Franklin continues to live in his weird little world where he can beat any Middleweight in the UFC that isn't named Anderson Silva.

But then there was the Quarry/Starnes fight. What the HELL was that? Starnes ran away almost the entire fight. Even when Quarry was mocking him, Starnes STILL ran, and then crabbed about it after the fight.

I think Starnes can kiss his UFC contract goodbye.

PaxZRake

04/22/2008, 09:31

It was UFC 83 :)

I think Danzig had the best fight of the night, only in that it was an exciting fight that actually went back and forth and had a satisfying finish. I like the way he fights. He really looks pissed off when something isn't going the way he'd like, but he's cool the entire time. Bocek was pretty impressive as well, especially for someone I've never seen before. That fight improved Danzig, but didn't make Bocek look bad, I like those kinds of fights.

Bisping looked amazing. He looked faster and more powerful than in the past. McCarthy looked awful. He was a glorified punching bag. He didn't even move around. I'd like to see Bisping go up against Lutter next, just to see if he can take on Franklin, to see if he can take on Silva :) I suspect Bisping's stand up is better than Franklin's, and I think stand up is the only place where Silva might be able to get beaten.

What was wrong with Kalib Starnes? 24-30 is right for that fight. Sad. Hilarious at the end, but it was sad.

Franklin's fight was good until Lutter gassed. It looked like Rich was going to win anyhow, but it's just sad when a fighter at that level, who was talking about taking on Silva (does Lutter think he can go five rounds? Really?), just ends up being a punching bag.

GSP dominated Serra. Those knees on the ground looked brutal. It looked like Serra gassed a little bit too towards the end, but he does tend to hang his hands like that, so it's hard to tell. I would give Serra credit, but it looked like he might have been out of shape.

Good night, but it felt like everyone but Danzig should have been fighting someone better.

FoxInStocks

04/22/2008, 10:04

Yeah, I'm starting to like Mac Danzig. He seems to have a natural talent for MMA, so assuming he keeps fighting tough guys I suspect he'll go a long way in the UFC.

Bisping is definitely where he belongs at Middleweight. I wouldn't put him near Silva though; Bisping's ground game is terrible and Silva would school him there. I think Silva would school him standing up, too. Bisping's got a long way to go to get to Silva's level, but I think he could easily get to Franklin's level within a year.

Lutter? Get him out of the UFC. First he misses weight for a TITLE FIGHT, and then he gasses in one round in a fight almost as important as a title match. He's wasting space.

I'm going to head over the Sherdog to see if Kalib has shown up yet to defend himself. He posts over there sometimes. I'm curious to hear how "run backwards for 15 minutes" is a good game plan.

PaxZRake

04/22/2008, 11:19

I'm curious, with all the experience that Danzig has, can he advance much? I'd skeptical. I wish him the best, because he's a talented, smart fighter, but I'm curious to see where his training is going to take him.

I'm a big Bisping mark, so I'll admit my bias, and I don't think he can beat Silva where he is now (I admit I'm really interested in seeing who Silva will be fighting next), but I think he should be able to take Franklin given some time.

I think Lutter is talented, but he really needs to work on his cardio. No one fighting in the UFC should be gassing after the first round. I can understand, after two intense rounds, if a fighter is tired; but the top level guys are so good at what they do these days it takes even more.

I'm curious to see if Starnes got a reaming from Dana for his fight. I would be surprised to see him fight again.

Side note: I can't stand how Wand v. Jardine is being hyped. I just don't understand how Jardine beating Liddell means Jardine has to fight the guy that lost to Liddell.

Speaking of Jardine, while I'm not a huge fan of his, why does Forrest Griffin get the fight against Jackson when Jardine beat him as well? I get that Jardine is less marketable based on personality, but his record is pretty solid.

FoxInStocks

04/22/2008, 11:36

I'm curious, with all the experience that Danzig has, can he advance much? I'd skeptical. I wish him the best, because he's a talented, smart fighter, but I'm curious to see where his training is going to take him.

I think Danzig now will have access to better training/trainers, plus he'll be fighting higher-class competition, which counts for a lot. His experience could carry him far.

I'm a big Bisping mark, so I'll admit my bias, and I don't think he can beat Silva where he is now (I admit I'm really interested in seeing who Silva will be fighting next), but I think he should be able to take Franklin given some time.

Bisping defintely has a future at Middleweight, but he MUST work on his ground game. Get him some jiu jitsu and wrestling, and Bisping could be a contender.

And then see if he can beat Matt Hammil for real. ;)

I think Lutter is talented, but he really needs to work on his cardio. No one fighting in the UFC should be gassing after the first round. I can understand, after two intense rounds, if a fighter is tired; but the top level guys are so good at what they do these days it takes even more.

If you want to be a title-level guy in MMA, if you want to be the best, you need to have the cardio to do five rounds. Hell, in Pride they used to do ten minute OPENING rounds. Lutter would have been killed over there.

Look at GSP. That guy goes at 110% and is barely breathing hard at the end of the first round.

I'm curious to see if Starnes got a reaming from Dana for his fight. I would be surprised to see him fight again.

I just read that he's been cut from UFC. Dana says he fired him, Starnes says he quit. Either way, good. :cheeky:

Side note: I can't stand how Wand v. Jardine is being hyped. I just don't understand how Jardine beating Liddell means Jardine has to fight the guy that lost to Liddell.

Speaking of Jardine, while I'm not a huge fan of his, why does Forrest Griffin get the fight against Jackson when Jardine beat him as well? I get that Jardine is less marketable based on personality, but his record is pretty solid.

Forest is marketable: Period. Imagine Jardine coaching on TUF with Rampage. Bored yet?

I like Jardine. I think he's right there with Forest (and I'm a BIG Forest fan). But...Jardine out-pointed a recovering Liddell while Forest submitted Shogun. Both are impressive wins, but I think Forest finishing one of the torch bearers for the Pride mystique went a long way with Joe Silva and Dana.

PaxZRake

04/22/2008, 14:52

I think Danzig now will have access to better training/trainers, plus he'll be fighting higher-class competition, which counts for a lot. His experience could carry him far.

For sure. Which is why I'm really curious to see how who he's going to be training with in the future. I haven't been able to think of a particular team that might help him out. I don't think Danzig has any holes in his game per se, just that he needs to take it to the next level.

I know he's been training with Gray Maynard, who seems pretty well respected outside of the octagon (though I'm curious as to why), and Maynard trains with Randy Couture, so that would probably be a good place for him

Bisping defintely has a future at Middleweight, but he MUST work on his ground game. Get him some jiu jitsu and wrestling, and Bisping could be a contender.

And then see if he can beat Matt Hammil for real. ;)

Agreed on all points. I don't know how the judges scored the Hammil fight for Bisping. But on the same note, I think Bisping beat Evans, so who knows.

If you want to be a title-level guy in MMA, if you want to be the best, you need to have the cardio to do five rounds. Hell, in Pride they used to do ten minute OPENING rounds. Lutter would have been killed over there.

I loved the ten minute opener in Pride, it really forced people to step up their training or be taken out quick because the clock was not your friend.

I just read that he's been cut from UFC. Dana says he fired him, Starnes says he quit. Either way, good. :cheeky:

Yea, I was reading that he said he was protesting his pay or something. Ridiculous, putting in a bad effort is no way to show that you deserve more. He would have gotten his point across better with a quick KO.

Forest is marketable: Period. Imagine Jardine coaching on TUF with Rampage. Bored yet?

I like Jardine. I think he's right there with Forest (and I'm a BIG Forest fan). But...Jardine out-pointed a recovering Liddell while Forest submitted Shogun. Both are impressive wins, but I think Forest finishing one of the torch bearers for the Pride mystique went a long way with Joe Silva and Dana.

Oh, I think Forrest is much better for a coach. During the prelim fights I was calling him and Rampage Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee. I still don't see Forrest beating Rampage in a fight. I don't see Forrest beating Hendo or Liddell in a fight for that matter.

Apparently Jardine is going to be training with GSP, I'm curious to see what the Dean will learn from that.

I feel bad for the Pride guys. Hendo lost both his titles. Wand didn't look good at all in his fight with Chuck. Shogun lost, though he looked good doing it. Rampage has been doing great, but I'd like to see everyone else shine too.

FoxInStocks

04/22/2008, 14:57

Well, Pride hasn't done THAT bad in UFC. You've got Rampage and Minotaro holding belts, and Anderson Silva is technically a Pride guy.

Unfortunately, it's been the REALLY big names who've had a hard time, like Mirko and Wandy. I'm still bumming over Mirko's fights.

In the meantime, at least we'll get to see Fedor and big Tim. That's one of the few fights I wanted to see Fedor get if he went to UFC.

EDIT: Oh, and regarding Starnes: He's denying that his performance had anything to do with making a statement. Apparently it was a rumor started on Sherdog's forums. Starnes says he'll release a statement once the paperwork with his release is done.

PaxZRake

05/01/2008, 14:04

Re: Last night's Ultimate Fighter

Boo lay and pray. Boo.

That fight shouldn't have gone to a third.

FoxInStocks

05/01/2008, 17:12

Re: Last night's Ultimate Fighter

Boo lay and pray. Boo.

That fight shouldn't have gone to a third.

I had to Tivo it. I'll probably watch it tonight. This season has been pretty good so far. But then, I'm a Rampage and Griffin fan.

PaxZRake

05/01/2008, 17:44

I had to Tivo it. I'll probably watch it tonight. This season has been pretty good so far. But then, I'm a Rampage and Griffin fan.

Well, I'll put that in spoil tags next time :)

I've been a fan of the season as a whole... I'll let you watch it and then have some discussion :laugh:

FoxInStocks

05/02/2008, 11:48

Well, I'll put that in spoil tags next time :)

I've been a fan of the season as a whole... I'll let you watch it and then have some discussion :laugh:

I don't care about spoilers really. No worries there. :)

I didn't think the fight was that bad. I agree with Dana: "Nothing about the fight made me go, 'Boy, am I glad these guys are in the UFC'."

I'm not sure who I agree with on the outcome, though. Dana and Rampage seemed to feel that damage was more important than control, where as Forest felt control was the important factor. The judges agreed with Forest, but I definitely see Dana and Rampages POV.

In other MMA news, I was playing Grand Theft Auto IV last night and found that you can actually watch TV in the game. One of the "shows" you can watch is a "Man Show" kind of program that's hosted by...BAS "EL GUAPO" RUTTEN. It's awesome. I love Bas, and he's just great in the game.

Speaking of Bas Rutten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y)...

PaxZRake

05/02/2008, 16:25

I think the most important thing in a fight is stoppage. Whether it be via KO, TKO, or submission.

Nothing Mr. Lay and Pray did was going to end that fight, other than that one ankle lock attempt. At least Mohawk was hitting L&P. Which brings up the question, how in control was L&P if he was getting punched and elbowed from the gaurd, while being completly ineffective at anything.

Mohawk had what might have been a decent standup game. He clearly didn't have much in the way of take down defense or ground skills.

L&P might have had some submission skills, Forrest said he did anyhow, but I didn't see that.

I just like seeing skilled people do what they do. L&P wasn't exciting to watch in the slightest. Sure, that's harder to do as a submission artist than as a striker, but he could have tried something.

FoxInStocks

05/02/2008, 16:39

I think part of the problem with that fight was that neither guy was GOOD at what the other was BAD at, not enough to take advantage and finish it.

As for the decision, that's a tough one. Yeah, Dante L&P'd the last round and ate a lot of strikes, but Rampage's guy couldn't get off his back either. Elbows from the bottom isn't control or domination if the guy is only doing it because he can't do anything else. IIRC, Dante managed to get side control near the end of the third round. He was, at the very least, improving his position.

PaxZRake

05/02/2008, 16:55

Haha, Dante was indeed improving his position, but I don't know that he would have known what to do with it :)

I think he had side control in the first round as well.

I just really wish Mohawk had a better ground and pound game. When he had Dante in that side mount with Dante's arm trapped I was so sure he was going to end the fight. But then he let Dante go...

Oh well, I suppose someone is going to have an easier time of it in the semi's.

I think part of the problem with that fight was that neither guy was GOOD at what the other was BAD at, not enough to take advantage and finish it.

As for the decision, that's a tough one. Yeah, Dante L&P'd the last round and ate a lot of strikes, but Rampage's guy couldn't get off his back either. Elbows from the bottom isn't control or domination if the guy is only doing it because he can't do anything else. IIRC, Dante managed to get side control near the end of the third round. He was, at the very least, improving his position.

FoxInStocks

05/05/2008, 12:19

One thing I'm looking forward too in this weeks episode is the May/Brown fight. I hope Brown punches holes through May. That kid is incredibly arrogant and obnoxious. I'm pulling for a Brown TKO in the 1st.

PaxZRake

05/08/2008, 10:04

I have to say I really enjoyed May's Vodka trick.

However, he really boned himself by not conditioning. He was looking good in that fight until he just gassed and decided to fight by rolling around on the ground. Great TKO though.

The second fight was a bit brutal to watch. Just two guys with great chins , hardly any defense, small tanks, and tons of determination. Two positives and two negatives.

Though, I have to say, the one theme of the night that I really hated: guys in mma who don't have stamina. 3 out of 4 fighters couldn't go even a round. Ridiculous.

FoxInStocks

05/08/2008, 10:24

I haven't seen the episode (TiVo'd again), but I read the rundown on Sherdog. I am thrilled that May got KTFO. I'm also not surprised that he's calling it a "lucky punch". He's an obnoxious, arrogant SOB and he paid for it.

Cardio seems to be the achilles heel of a lot of fighters, though. Look at BJ Penn and Frank Mir. They're great fighters, but only in the first round or two. After that they're messes.

PaxZRake

05/08/2008, 10:31

May really called it a lucky punch? You're going to love the fight when you see it. It was a lucky punch, kick, knee?, kick. To give him credit he came out strong. It just looked like Brown was expecting him to and had a great fight plan.

I love Penn, until he gasses. He can do some amazing things, but I just don't think he should be the champ unless he can go an intense 5 rounds. I just remember (and I don't recall whom he was fighting) him standing in the cage, hands at his sides, mouth ajar, just waiting to be hit. That's not a champ.

I'll be honest though, I haven't seen many Mir fights, but I hear good things :) Tim Silva really turned me off of the heavyweight division when I watched him when a match by doing a lay and pray against the cage. Now that Couture is gone and Arlovski hasn't been doing anything, I just don't see much reason to watch the division.

FoxInStocks

05/08/2008, 11:10

Mir...is Mir. He's got a lot of potential. He's an amazing submission specialist. Unfortunately, his cardio has never been good and ever since he came back from his motorcycle accident, he hasn't seemed the same. His fight with Lesnar was the closest to the old Mir that I've seen him in quite awhile, but even then he looked like he was about to gas near the end.

I've heard that Mir barely trains for his fights. I don't know if that's still the case, but it's a shame. The man snapped Big Timmy's arm. Combine that kind of submission skill with a large tank and some decent striking and takedowns, and Mir could be a beast at HW.

Meanwhile, the card for the Affliction/M1 event is getting stacked. Sylvia/Fedor is supposed to be a lock (though I'll believe it when I see it), and I hear that Josh Barnett is going to be fighting Pedro Rizzo on it. THOSE are some good HW fights.

FoxInStocks

05/08/2008, 11:11

He can do some amazing things, but I just don't think he should be the champ unless he can go an intense 5 rounds.

Well, you can count on this: Sherk will go 5 rounds. If Penn can't finish him early, Sherk is going to take the fight either by decision or by a KO/sub late round 4/early round 5.

PaxZRake

05/08/2008, 13:51

I'll have to check out the Affliction/M1 event then.

I am looking forward to Penn/Sherk, if nothing else it will be a very exciting 10 minutes of action. I have a hard time seeing Penn taking Sherk down (man is HUGE) but if Sherk is confident enough to take Penn down, I think Penn can finish from his back, assuming he doesn't get overwhelmed.

FoxInStocks

05/09/2008, 10:13

Okay, so watched TUF last night. Those were both great fights, thankfully.

So far the season has been great. Forest and Rampage are both a riot.

That leg kick that Brown landed was beautiful. Talk about instant karma; May brags and brags and lies about a knee injury to duck his cardio training, and goes on and on about how he's got it all figured out...and then he gasses in the FIRST ROUND and gets KTFO. So awesome.

FoxInStocks

05/12/2008, 13:29

New rumored fight for the Affliction card: Aleks Emelienanko vs. Paul Buentello.

I also heard something about Matt Linland getting a fight on there.

Not a bad card at all. Makes me wonder where they're getting the cash to pay all these big-name fighters.

docpound

05/13/2008, 18:14

docpound

05/13/2008, 18:24

Well, you can count on this: Sherk will go 5 rounds. If Penn can't finish him early, Sherk is going to take the fight either by decision or by a KO/sub late round 4/early round 5.

I think Sherk will have a really hard time taking down BJ. Sherks only two blimishes on his record have come from two fighters he couldn't take down Matt Huges and Georges, I think BJ's flexability will prove it's weight in gold, in his last two fights his conditioning has been outstanding and I'm looking for more of the same in this fight. I think it ends in stoppage second round similar to the Stevenson fight, Sean just dosen't have an answer for BJ's heavy hands but that's why they fight them.

PaxZRake

05/15/2008, 10:04

DocPound: Do you really think BJ's cardio has improved enough to go the distance with Sherk? I just have a hard time seeing an early stoppage in this fight. I do think BJ stands a very good chance at taking this though. I can see him using rubber guard to neutralize Sherk's GnP pretty effectively.

My Weekly TUF Review:
Sure seemed like a quick episode this week. Little to no build up for either fight. Not an awful thing, but I do like to see what goes on in the house and in the respective training camps.

Mini-Rampage v. Amir
I was pretty surprised by this fight. Mini-Rampage didn't perform as well as I thought he would and Amir was a much smarter fighter than I thought he would be. The first round was about half of what I expected, Mini getting crazy takedowns and slams, but I was pretty shocked to see that his GnP just wasn't there. He landed some good hits, but it just didn't look like he had any ability to pass guard. I don't know what happened with him in the second round, but Amir did the right thing (like he had been doing the entire fight), saw an opportunity and took it. Mini might not have been out, but the way he dropped, and with his turtle defense style, you wouldn't have known it. Good stoppage.

Cale v. Schultz
Interesting first round. Not as technical as I might have liked, but it was certainly an entertaining stand up round. By the end of it, Cale had certainly found Scultz's number. Second round was great, Cale employed the up and down strategy that GSP used to beat Serra to good effect. As much as I might have liked to see the fight go on from there, I think it was pretty clear Cale would have taken the third round as well. Schultz just didn't have an answer for the takedowns.

A good night all around, but it did feel just a little rushed.

docpound

05/15/2008, 12:29

Yeah I think BJ will stuff Sherks takedowns and work from there I see Sherk being the same type of fighter as a Joe Stevenson a tad more explosive. How many take downs did Daddy even try against BJ, I think we know why he didn't rush in for a take down because of BJs flexability. BJ has very heavy hands for any weight class but in this fight BJ also has reach on Sherk massive reach. Sherks only hope to win this fight is to take BJ down missle style at the opening of every round and hope he dosn't get submitted or stood up by the end of the round.

docpound

05/15/2008, 12:36

I thought this weeks TUF was great the first fight Amir and Mini-page seemed well matched for eachother though Rampage's fighters seem to always be gasing out. The fight with Cal and Shultz seemed odd to me I know that Shultz was the last guy picked by default but his stand up was just sloopy. His jabs looked telegraphed, I"m sorry every punch he threw looked telegraphed. I found the funnest thing to be was Cale talking about how Shultz didn't belong, but I can't see Cale making it much longer on the show he went to a descision with a much much weaker fighter. I think in the final we'll see CB (pending next fight dominance) and Jessie, I just hope they don't fight before that. Really last season I wanted to see Joe L take on Nate D in the final not that Manny wasn't a good fighter, the other match up was just more appealing to me, they were both sort of team captains in my opinion.

FoxInStocks

05/16/2008, 10:10

I haven't seen the episode yet (as usual :cheeky:), so I'll watch it tonight. I read the rundown on Sherdog again and I'm a little dissapointed to hear that what apparently starts this little grudge between Rampage and Forrest is nothing more than Rampage taking the losses of his team personally. I mean, it doesn't sound like Forrest really did anything TO Rampage. He's just got a better team.

docpound

05/16/2008, 11:10

Yeah dude but they don't show everything that goes on the show it gets better next week from the previews and what really made forrest mad was Shultz telling him to get back into his corroner and that he couldn't wait until his fight with rampage, poor Shultz I actually like Forrest in that fight lol. Rampage just wanted to see another round but that stuff happens when you leave it up to the judges and Shultz did nothing to prove he was ready for another round.

PaxZRake

05/16/2008, 13:01

I don't know that I'm horribly impressed with anyone from this season yet. There certainly isn't a Mac Danzig to just dominate the field like there was last season :) But I think last season was better for a number of reasons.

Doc: You're right, Schultz was throwing his punches from out in front of his body. Really odd.

I don't remember CB's first fight, but I know I have the impression that he's good. So I look forward to his fight:)

Fox: Net gun. Just wait until you see the net gun:)

docpound

05/16/2008, 18:52

Odd indeed you see that and you just wonder how well he could have done had he had better training and coaching, I mean he has a good chin it was just the fact that nothing could be set up I think it might even have caught Cale off guard with how wild and loose his hands were.

FoxInStocks

05/21/2008, 09:44

Photos from the Affliction press conference. (http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=12825&my_page=1&my_title=)

Man, this card is going to be great. I'm definitely ordering this one on PPV. It's interesting to see Sylvia and Fedor there and to see how much bigger Big Timmeh is.

I'm torn on that fight. Part of me wants Tim to test Fedor and win and end the endless "Fedor #1" stuff, but then you'd never hear the end of it from Dana White. On the other hand, I'd like to see Fedor win it and really put some meat behind his resume. Not that beating guys like Cro Cop and Minotaro are accomplisments to sneeze at, but there's more quality HWs out there than those two fighters.

docpound

05/21/2008, 17:45

I agree and it seems like he "Fedor" dosen't take very many fights I'm kinda disappointed in someone who is supposed to be number one who dosen't fight in the #1 promotion and really hasn't had a quality opponet yet in my mind. I know the pride guys are decent but look at what happend to Mirko when he steped into the Octogon, The UFC has the best fighters in the world and I think that Randy is the best heavy weight in the world did you see his last two fights it's just a shame that they can't get this money thing all worked out. After he desimated Gonzaga he should have had Fedor brought to him, he was at the top of his game then and you can't change time! is he going to be the same fighter in a couple of months probably not. I think this may have been Fedors peoples plan to wait him out and let time wear on randy.

PaxZRake

05/22/2008, 09:55

TUF Time!

This episode was awesome. It had everything I like about TUF. Antics between the judges (Net Gun beats out the Super Soaker), good training footage, we got to know both fighters pretty well before the fight, and then a good fight to top it all off. That's what I love about TUF. The next round of fights being picked just felt like gravy.

The fight itself was good, CB v. Nick. It was clear from the first round that CB had the upper hand. I would have liked to have seen the fight be on their feet a little more, but it was still good nonetheless. One very disappointing part of the fight; second round, CB seemed tired. I can't think of a team Rampage fighter who has made it to the second round without looking tired. They all need to work their cardio in a big way. Regardless of that annoyance, the second round was hugely exciting, if you like technical wrestling matches, and I do. That was a slick guillotine for the finish.

Quarter final match ups:

Matt Brown v. Amir: There's a part of me that feels that Matt Brown is the more impressive of the two. However, this is going to be a stand up fight, and we didn't really get to see what Amir was capable in his last fight. He's very slick and patient, so this should be good. I don't see it being explosive, but I don't see anything wrong with a good technical game.

Jesse v. Dante: Jesse just looks too big. Both are ground guys, and Jesse just looks too big.

Tim v. Cramer: I can see this going either way. Cramer needs to practice his take down defense and keep the fight standing. I'm actually rooting for Cramer in this, but I would probably give the edge to Tim.

CB v. Cale: What a gimme for CB. It will depend a bit on Cale's takedown defense and cardio, but, I just don't see how Cale can take it.

FoxInStocks

05/22/2008, 10:15

I finally got a chance to watch an episode live. Huzzah.

I agree, this was a great episode. Lots of Rampage and Forrest antics, and they were both in top form. Good to see Forrest getting a bit riled up and to see Rampage chilling out a little.

The CB/Nick fight was excellent. Very technical ground game. If all ground fights were like that, you wouldn't have the jokes and comments about MMA being gay or boring when it turns into a wrestling or jui jitsu match.

However, I'm not impressed by CB. Well, no; I am, but not as much as I feel I should be considering all the talk he talked before hand. The main thing that stood out about him is his explosiveness. Even when he started to look gassed, he scrambled like a madman whenever he needed too. He almost got submitted a few time, though. Kneebars, kimura, kneebar...I feel that if Nick has been more agressive and a little more active, he could have had CB in trouble.

So, CB's boasting is wearing thin on me now.

The next round of fights looks good. I would LIKE to see Jesse, Amir, Creuder, and CB progress. From the sneak preview at the end of the episode, it looks like the Amir/Brown fight is going to be a stand-up war.

BudPalmer

05/22/2008, 10:23

Last night's show was pretty good. The antics were funny. When Rampage soked the extra pair of shorts I laughed my arse off. His reaction to being netted afterwards was hilarious. "I got netted on national television! Everyone's going to make fun of me for that!"

I'm getting psyched about Ill Will this weekend. I want to see Tito get his handed to him. Penn/Sherk could be interesting just based on the hatred they have for each other.

PaxZRake

05/29/2008, 09:50

TUF!

I really hope Jesse gets eliminated next round. That fight was awful.

On the flip side, Amir v. Matt Brown was awesome!

Good stand up fight for the first half of the first round. I didn't really see either fighter having an advantage which was nice. Second half of the first round saw Matt Brown trying to exercise a take down game, to which Amir was surprisingly good at countering.

2nd round looked to be mostly Brown, just rocking Amir with some awesome punches. Except Amir wasn't rocked at all. Dude is crazy tough. Amir then went for some Ground and Pound, which, he clearly should have had being a Thai fighter (?) and then turned into a submission expert (?) to take Brown out.

Amir is nuts, man is so down on himself, but he just gets in he fight, takes a beating for a round and a half, and then ends it in an exciting manner.

Is Amir rope-a-doping people?

FoxInStocks

05/30/2008, 10:20

I didn't mind the Dante/Jesse match much...until the ref stood them up in the 2nd for not advancing position, and Jesse INSTANTLY put Dante back on his back and laid there. Takedowns are good. L&P is bad.

Other than that, I can't say much about the episode. Good fight between Brown and Amir.

I see next weeks episode involved Jeremy May being a Richard again. I may not like Jesse Taylors fights, but I do like his personality, and I hope May gets his face pounded in. AGAIN.

FoxInStocks

05/30/2008, 10:22

Amir then went for some Ground and Pound, which, he clearly should have had being a Thai fighter (?) and then turned into a submission expert (?) to take Brown out.

Nah, I just think Brown has NO submission defense. If you look at his pro record, almost all his losses come from submissions. I saw that triangle coming a mile away. Brown should have gotten out of there the instant Amir got his legs up that high. Instead he just laid there trying to pound out a win. Dude's gotta' get some ground strategy in his game or he's going to get beat by every goor JJ or wrestler he goes against.

mike_houghton

06/01/2008, 00:39

KIMBO SLICE!!!!!!!!!! No one can stop Kimbo... never underestimate a homeless man with a beard. I saw this guy on youtube a few years ago and laughed my ### off as he wiped out some crackhead looking white dudes. I dont think hes the best in the world but he has a gimick and it made me watch the crappy show tonight so I guess thats what it is supposed to do.

TUF is awesome this season.. its cool to see the coaches joke with each other and not be total aholes to eachother. I hope CB wins since the crazy man "that nobody wanted to fight" is out.

FoxInStocks

06/01/2008, 00:57

KIMBO SLICE!!!!!!!!!!

No. Just...no.

I just finished watching this "event". I am so furious right now. I can't believe that this is what primetime America gets as their first taste of MMA. You know what? WAR DANA WHITE.

The Kimbo fight was fixed. Period. He laid there taking like fifty elbows from Thompson and they let it go, but Thompson gets a popped ear and a few shots and it's a TKO? After the BS stoppage for the Lawler/Smith fight, Gary Shaw wasn't taking any chances of Kimbo getting a L on his record.

I'd take freaking Brock Lesnar over Kimbo any day. Brock, first round, by MURDER.

Gah. I need to go. :angry:

mike_houghton

06/01/2008, 01:10

No. Just...no.

I just finished watching this "event". I am so furious right now. I can't believe that this is what primetime America gets as their first taste of MMA. You know what? WAR DANA WHITE.

The Kimbo fight was fixed. Period. He laid there taking like fifty elbows from Thompson and they let it go, but Thompson gets a popped ear and a few shots and it's a TKO? After the BS stoppage for the Lawler/Smith fight, Gary Shaw wasn't taking any chances of Kimbo getting a L on his record.

I'd take freaking Brock Lesnar over Kimbo any day. Brock, first round, by MURDER.

Gah. I need to go. :angry:
lol I enjoyed it... but didnt Smith tell the doctor twice that he couldnt see and thats what caused the stoppage? I think they should have given him a minute to gain his senses and continued if he was well after a few seconds. But him telling the doctor that wasnt a good move.

The look on Thompsons face when he was at the end of the barrage was a look of a man about to get killed... he wasnt guarding his face nearly enough and he was getting whipped with When Kimbo was getting elbowed they werent killer blows and he was still moving his head and trying to get out. He wasnt nearly as glassy as Thompson was... do I think it should have gotten stopped? no. Do I think Kimbo was 2 punches away from murdering Thompson? Yes.
I will be the first to say I am not a MMA expert by any means and I buy more into characters then the fighting so of course take my opinion with a grain of salt or whatever the cliche is.

mike_houghton

06/01/2008, 01:12

and yeah Dana needs to kill them right now... I think UFC is way better. I dont see Elite as competition.. they will get buried, but I dont care who it is that is getting punched or where, as long as someone is getting punched im happy and will watch it all

pxb006

06/01/2008, 09:08

I'd take freaking Brock Lesnar over Kimbo any day. Brock, first round, by MURDER.

Yeah, after watching that fight, it shows you just how little all around skills Kimbo Slice has. Lesnar has a long way to go before being a good MMA fighter, but he'd destroy Slice in a fight.

mike_houghton

06/01/2008, 12:35

Yeah, after watching that fight, it shows you just how little all around skills Kimbo Slice has. Lesnar has a long way to go before being a good MMA fighter, but he'd destroy Slice in a fight.
in a fight or a mix martial arts fight? I dont think anyone has said he has the complete package and last night he was on the ground for the first time in his SHORT career and he seemed to handle himself pretty well. He got out of being on his back at least 2 times and showed he has been training. Most people have been doing this for 10-15 years and Kimbo has only been street fighting up until the last year or so right? Im not saying he is or is going to be great, but he did show some promise and thats all you can ask.

dopeyj

06/01/2008, 16:12

Kimbo fought a bum, Thompson fought a bum. It was a terrible stoppage and the whole show was a disgrace to MMA. The only Elite I'll watch are Villasenor, Diaz, Carano, Smith and Lawlor. I'm just glad it was free.

The Mattador

06/01/2008, 16:20

That show was awful last night...too much talking and not enough fighting! If I had paid for that, I would file a suit against the group that put the show on...

dopeyj

06/01/2008, 16:21

lol I enjoyed it... but didnt Smith tell the doctor twice that he couldnt see and thats what caused the stoppage? I think they should have given him a minute to gain his senses and continued if he was well after a few seconds. But him telling the doctor that wasnt a good move.

The look on Thompsons face when he was at the end of the barrage was a look of a man about to get killed... he wasnt guarding his face nearly enough and he was getting whipped with When Kimbo was getting elbowed they werent killer blows and he was still moving his head and trying to get out. He wasnt nearly as glassy as Thompson was... do I think it should have gotten stopped? no. Do I think Kimbo was 2 punches away from murdering Thompson? Yes.
I will be the first to say I am not a MMA expert by any means and I buy more into characters then the fighting so of course take my opinion with a grain of salt or whatever the cliche is.

The athletic commisions are supposed to give Smith up to 5 minutes to recover, not the minute he got. The doc shouldn't have even stepped in there till the 5th minute. Poke yourself in the eye and tell me how long it takes to regain your composure. (I'm kidding of course) The whole event was a sham. The top female in the world doesn't make weight(by 5 pounds), the championship match is ruled a draw due to not following the AC own rules, and the main event is the saddest display of MMA by two headliners ever. This will go down as a sad day for broadcast tv mma.

docpound

06/01/2008, 18:53

Yeah I think they really wanted to sell a rematch

mike_houghton

06/01/2008, 19:13

The athletic commisions are supposed to give Smith up to 5 minutes to recover, not the minute he got. The doc shouldn't have even stepped in there till the 5th minute. Poke yourself in the eye and tell me how long it takes to regain your composure. (I'm kidding of course) The whole event was a sham. The top female in the world doesn't make weight(by 5 pounds), the championship match is ruled a draw due to not following the AC own rules, and the main event is the saddest display of MMA by two headliners ever. This will go down as a sad day for broadcast tv mma.
really the saddest ever? there has never been a sadder match? Well considering the Headliner is fighting in his 3rd match and 1st on a national broadcast then I think they did just fine.

pxb006

06/02/2008, 09:52

FoxInStocks

06/02/2008, 10:12

lol I enjoyed it... but didnt Smith tell the doctor twice that he couldnt see and thats what caused the stoppage? I think they should have given him a minute to gain his senses and continued if he was well after a few seconds. But him telling the doctor that wasnt a good move.

The look on Thompsons face when he was at the end of the barrage was a look of a man about to get killed... he wasnt guarding his face nearly enough and he was getting whipped with When Kimbo was getting elbowed they werent killer blows and he was still moving his head and trying to get out. He wasnt nearly as glassy as Thompson was... do I think it should have gotten stopped? no. Do I think Kimbo was 2 punches away from murdering Thompson? Yes.

The rules state that you have up to five minutes to recover after a foul. Smith said he couldn't see, but give him his five minutes and he'd be fine. He couldn't see RIGHT AFTER GETTING POKED, and the doctor called it. She apparently had never seen an MMA fight before. I'm surprised she didn't stop EVERY fight because "they were hitting each other out there!"

As for the Kimbo fight, my problem isn't that they stopped it when Kimbo popped Thompson's ear. My problem is that they DIDN'T stop it when Thompson had Kimbo pinned to the cage, dropping punch after punch, with Kimbo not defending himself AT ALL. If that had happened anywhere else, the fight would have been over. The rules call for "intelligent defense". Laying there eating punches isn't intelligent, regardless of the power of the shots.

FoxInStocks

06/02/2008, 10:15

The top female in the world doesn't make weight(by 5 pounds),

Yeah, don't even get me started on that. I like Carano and think she's a great fighter, but she needs to start fighting at her real weight instead of trying (and failing) to cut weight.

FoxInStocks

06/02/2008, 10:19

really the saddest ever? there has never been a sadder match? Well considering the Headliner is fighting in his 3rd match and 1st on a national broadcast then I think they did just fine.

Did you see YAMMA? The MMA fans who did consider it a badge of (dubious) honor that they survived such a terrible event. They aren now replacing that badge with "I survived ELITEXC".

That's not a good thing for MMA's primetime debut.

Oh, and another thing I loved: Frank Shamrock opening the show by saying "These are not street fighters", only to be followed by them showing Kimbo's street fighting clips.

mike_houghton

06/02/2008, 14:58

Did you see YAMMA? The MMA fans who did consider it a badge of (dubious) honor that they survived such a terrible event. They aren now replacing that badge with "I survived ELITEXC".

That's not a good thing for MMA's primetime debut.

Oh, and another thing I loved: Frank Shamrock opening the show by saying "These are not street fighters", only to be followed by them showing Kimbo's street fighting clips.
lol that was funny...
as far as Kimbo not defending himself he was moving his head and trying to put his hands in the way. Obviously they didnt effect him that much because he was fine in round 3. Are you telling me he wasnt 10 seconds away from knocking his glassy eyed ### out?

FoxInStocks

06/05/2008, 09:53

PaxZRake

06/05/2008, 09:55

TUF!

Not a terribly exciting night...

Kramer v. Tim was good, but disappointing. I was rooting for Kramer going into the fight, no knock against Tim, I just like Kramer's heart and "go at it" fight style. K was winning the fight too, until he took it to the ground. Loss via heel hook is not a good way to lose. Way to easy to avoid.

Cale v. CB went how I think everyone thought it would go. CB easily dominated the match. Cale has zero ground skills, and pretty much gave up at the end.

Next round!

Amir v. CB: Interesting fight. Stand up guy v. Wrestler. I don't know who is going to take it to be honest. Amir has good defense against the ground game, and amazing resilience. So long as he can get back to his feet he might be able to pull out an upset. CB should have a tough fight in this one.

Jesse v. Tim: I hope Tim wins. I really do. Hopefully he can pull some slick moves off his back, because that's where the fight is going to be.

PaxZRake

06/05/2008, 09:57

Now THIS is MMA news.

It's offical: Andrei Arlovski is done with UFC and has signed a 3-fight deal with Affliction, where he'll be facing Ben Rothwell on the upcoming Banned card along with the Sylvia/Fedor fight!

All aboard the Arlovski warwagon, kids. I can't WAIT to see that show.

WOW

Where did Affliction get the cash for this event? I think Arlovski is a great fighter, and it's huge that UFC doesn't have him anymore. WOW

FoxInStocks

06/05/2008, 10:54

WOW

Where did Affliction get the cash for this event? I think Arlovski is a great fighter, and it's huge that UFC doesn't have him anymore. WOW

I think Trump is putting up some cash for the event. I just hope they don't blow it all on one card. Fedor alone is rumored to be getting over a million for his fight. Silvia is said to be getting around 800K. I doubt guys like Arlovski, Barnett, and Aleks aren't getting paid less than 100K.

EDIT: Oh, and it seems to be confirmed that the event will be in a ring, not a cage. Meh.

Metal

06/05/2008, 13:17

WOW

Where did Affliction get the cash for this event? I think Arlovski is a great fighter, and it's huge that UFC doesn't have him anymore. WOW

Have you seen how much an Affliction T-Shirt costs?

This is where they got the cash to sign fighters like Fedor and Arlovski. :grin:

MrFurious87

06/05/2008, 18:19

docpound

06/06/2008, 16:01

I love the match ups I know Forrest wanted to take CB down but I don't think any of the fighters are on his level yet maybe Jesse but only time will tell and afterall it is a fight anyone can win. I like CB to be Amir but wow Amir has a really bright future in MMA I know he's going to end up with a belt or two before his time is up he has tons of heart and he's very humble. I love in his last fight how he talked about being the underdog I really do think he's awestruck to even be in the competion. as for the second match Tim has a boat load of experiance but it didn't show in his last fight Kramer could have won that fight and was on track to Jesse had a much better showing that will be a great fight. I'm looking for the finals to be Jesse V CB I think that will be a great match and both are great wrestlers and when that happens usually whoever does the other stuff like stand up better wins all I can say is it's going to be a great night of fights next week.

PaxZRake

06/06/2008, 16:35

@MrFurious: My thinking when it comes to someone who has decent stand up v. someone who KNOWS Muay Thai is that the other guy doesn't really have decent stand up. My thinking is that if CB tries to keep it on his feet because of his decent stand up he'll be fighting to Amir's strength, and Amir is nasty. CB needs to take it to the ground.

@DocPound: I think Jesse would have a very realistic shot at beating CB just because of his size. Jesse is good at (to quote Forrest) "laying on (someone) for 10 minutes". Which is why I hope Tim wins. I think Jesse wins his fights because of his size, not because of his skill.

FoxInStocks

06/07/2008, 09:02

I was surprised to hear that CB thought Amir was his biggest threat. I would have thought Jesse, but that's not to say Amir can't pull it off. He's got a good chin and good striking. His ground game seems okay. I think the last question about him is simply how good his sprawls and TD defense are.

MrFurious87

06/07/2008, 12:08

I'm really hoping that Amir is able to take on and win against CB. I'm a huge fan of muay thai and all around kick-boxing type fighters. I think he is extremely capable of beating CB. I know that everyone has him hyped to win the show, but for all of the talk, he has yet to really show his "greatness", much like Mac Danzig of the last season.

docpound

06/07/2008, 19:54

UFC 85 not all bad I'll post this in a stand alone section. I think that CB thinks Amir is his biggest threat A that's who he wanted to fight and B he thinks he's a better wrestler than Jesse go ASU! Anyway I really do Jesse would get caught with a couple of shots from CB then he's in a different game CB's got experiance and I'm not saying Jesse dosen't but CB is clearly more adept and the biggest threat on the show "thinks Forrest Amir Jesse and Tim" How is the confidence of thoes three now that Forrest has spoken in front of then and others that this is the dude to beat. UGH Check my 85 post it's going to be great!

PaxZRake

06/13/2008, 10:13

The other night's Ultimate Fighter was a really excellent show. AWFUL fight, but a good show.

I didn't know there were people out there that were so bad at Basketball, and out of anyone who would be good, I certainly didn't think Forrest Griffin would be one of them.

The annual house trashing was more fun than in past years. I think it was good this year because everyone was in on it. Made it good.

And then I got the distinct privilege of watching Jesse lay on Tim for 10 minutes. He actually did a little GnP the first round before he decided to take a nap on Tim. Tim lost, I think, because he wasn't committing to his moves. Also, Tim, when you have a guys back, go for a rear naked choke, not an armbar. I was rooting for you.

Here's me hoping that it's Jesse that gets kicked off the show next week.

Oh well, can't wait to see the CB v. Amir fight. Should be fun!

FoxInStocks

06/13/2008, 10:13

So, back to TUF.

The Jessie/Tim match bugged me to no end. Jessie alternated between crumy G&P and boring L&P. Creuder had some exciting bursts looking for submissions, but really didn't do too much. All in all a lackluster fight.

The coaches challenge was a riot, with Forrest slam dunking and hitting perfect shots while Rampage tried to figure out how to dribble. Those two are comedy gold.

I'm dying to see next week's episode, though. The CB/Amir fight looks awesome, and I can't wait to see what's up with this "shocker" ending. I'm guessing either CB or Jesse gets booted. Should be a good episode.

docpound

06/13/2008, 11:56

FoxInStocks

06/13/2008, 12:24

Just by the way it looked I think that Jesse might get into an altercation with May but it might just be whoever wins the last semi and Jesse. wow looks good but when they say he's out of the finale they didn't say final it could be another fighter. The May and Jesse beef is probably still cooking.

The voice over said "who gets a second chance at becoming the Ultimate Fighter", which makes me think it's one of the finalists. Of course, it could be wordplay too.

Well played, UFC. Well played.

docpound

06/13/2008, 12:49

There is just something that makes me think it's Jesse... What could they do to get the boot this is a guy in Dana White that used to say no one gets an easy walk this must be really bad like fighting a coaches coach or something along thoes lines wow to get the boot you have to really go south.

FoxInStocks

06/16/2008, 12:08

So...anyone watch EliteXC's event this weekend? I did not, as I'm avoiding their product ever since Slimetime, but I hear that the Diaz brothers stormed the cage after KJ Noons beat Yves Edwards, flipped KJ and his dad off, and thus prompted a huge all-out brawl in the cage that security had to break up.

Call me paranoid, but I smell shenannigans. I think EliteXC is taking the WWE route here or something.

PaxZRake

06/16/2008, 14:10

FoxInStocks

06/17/2008, 15:05

I didn't watch EliteXC, but that does sound kind of lame. If it wasn't a work that's just a stupid thing for the Diaz Bros. to do.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=13271

But when I went to Sherdog to check it out, I saw this!

If they can get me Silva v. Vera I would almost assuredly skip the Affliction PPV.

I plan on watching Affliction live and catching the UFC event on the Tivo. Silva/Vera would probably be a good fight, but the entire Affliction card is just too good to miss, especially Sylvia/Fedor. I've gotta' see that live.

pxb006

06/17/2008, 16:40

Metal

06/17/2008, 16:47

I'm not sure if EliteXC has anything to do with that the Diaz brothers are a little off the rocker.

docpound

06/17/2008, 17:16

OK first I can't say that I agree with the way that Elite XC put them (Nick) out there like that I can understand that they need to make up for a previous lackluster CBS Saturday night fights. This will probably be great for promo's and things of that nature. Ok with that said KJ Noons is a paper champion who's only had 6 fights and in one of the bouts (Debut) got knocked out by the crazy horse. Nick Diaz was only lost that fight because of a cut and he's solved that problem with plastic surgery of all things, yes they filed down his eye brows and took out a large portion of his scar tissue.
So Nick goes out to the ring he's clearly the number one contender "probably would be in a lot of other places besides elite XC" and Noons has to ask the crowd knowing they would boo him. He's in his home state.... What are they going to say? Diaz knew he'd get boo'd just like everyone at home so he thought fast and tried to show the cameras KJ was afraid of him with a don't be scared homie. Then his hot headed dad wanted to take a pop shot a Nate his dad must have weighed 270 just really unprofessional of both parties however Noons father has no business going after Nate it'll all be funny to Noons till he loses his title. I will defend the Diaz brothers here all they were doing is what they were told and it was really Noons fault the whole thing got out of hand. I remember at UFC 68 when Anderson came i the ring to entertaint a rematch "which took place at UFC 77 Hostile territory" Both fighters were class acts they knew they needed to fight eachother because they were one and two. Noons ins't a one so obviously he's afraid of two. Then I hear he wants to get in more pro boxing bouts... so he can prolong the rematch in my opinon. Wow let it go doc let it go lol!

MrFurious87

06/19/2008, 03:34

FoxInStocks

06/19/2008, 10:21

Anyone watch the TUF tonight?? In my opinion, the CB & Tim fight, was the best of the season. It's a shame that Tim didn't get the win, but CB was fully deserving and it should make for a good rematch between Amir and CB(hopefully).

I still cannot believe that Jesse pulled that kind of thing....who busts out a limo window??:laugh:

Yeah man. I enjoyed the whole season, but that last episode was great from start to finish.

The CB/Amir fight was excellent, and seeing Amir win with an armbar was amazing. I like Amir; he's got a lot of raw potential and a sense of humor to boot, so I've been happy to see him winning these fights. I've taken a liking to CB too. He's got this permanent smirk thing going on, but he's pretty humble (for a fighter) and he's definitely got the skills to back up his talk.

Then the Jesse thing happened. Man, I knew SOMETHING bad happened to cause all this stir, but I didn't think it was JUST the limo.

But then there was the "harassing women" thing.

And then... "I'm a UFC fighter!"

Whoops. I was like, "Yup...that's the nail in, dirt on, and headstone above his coffin."

I liked Jesse's personality when he was sober, but he's obviously immature and needs to avoid booze. His L&P style probably didn't win him any extra love from Dana either.

Now, the Tim/CB fight was one of the best TUF fights I've ever seen. I also like Tim (I thought there were a lot of likable guys this season, save for Jeremy May), and I really thought he'd find a way to beat CB being a jiu jitsu guy, but there was a lot more striking than I expected. In the end I think CB earned his rematch with Amir and Tim definitely showed he's got top-class competition in him, but CB I feel showed a MAJOR weakness...endurance. He seems to blow his tank with big, explosive flurries and scrambles early on, and by the third round he's gassed. I think he's currently one of those fighters who needs to finish his fights early or risk getting clobbered/submitted later.

Awesome end to the season. Can't wait to see the finale this Saturday. War Amir!

NRadd59

06/19/2008, 10:48

Good fight, but I find myself not that impressed with CB. He seems to have an endurance issue. He seems to gas-out really quick and then his ground-n-pound is only just enough to maintain position. He'd be really tough if he could increase his cardio.

I like Amir though. I don't think he will win, but he has weathered the storm so far, so...who knows?

And yes, Jesse is a moron. It's too bad, but Dana is right. They are trying to bring some legitimacy to the sport and they don't need idiots like Jesse misbehaving. My wife had a good point. She said look at the other sports (NFL, NBA, etc.) and what their players get away with. No way would they lose their chance to play after doing what Jesse did. I respect what Dana did for that point alone.

docpound

06/19/2008, 16:49

I don't know if Rampage picked fighters with small lung capacity or what... In the first CB Vs. Amir fight he (CB) gassed after what appeared to be a burstful first round. CB's got talent but that will get your arse beat if you can't catch your breath. I seem to remember a man with a snorkal CB find a translater and get this done you need to be able to go the distance. The second fight Tim Vs CB it looked like CB tried to slow down his pace and tried to effectively use bursts of combos. he even continued to do this when he was winded instead of using the jab to effectively keep Tim at bay. Just think if Amir hadn't hit that Armbar he would have lost and the fight would have been Amir and Tim how awesome would that have been! And at only 24 CB has lots of room to grow and fill the small holes in this game. I'm impressed with Forrest more as a coach than Rampage. for almost the conditioning aspect alone every fighter who's went past the first round for Rampage was huffin' and puffin' like Thomas the train. Come on Quinton I expected more than that, well to be honest guys I expected a Tito-esque performance with new drill that haven't been widly used.

PaxZRake

06/20/2008, 14:21

I loved that episode, for all the reasons everyone has already stated.

I think Tim could have beaten CB. There was one point, I forget which round, where Tim buckled CB, but CB managed to drag Tim to the ground. I don't think Tim rushed in there quick enough to finish the deal. I get that he's a Jiu Jitsu guy, but still, he should have rushed in, pushed CB onto his back, mounted and pounded.

I'm not upset CB won, but I think he's more 1D than he should be. His standup is better than most 1D wrestlers, but I'm not sure that's saying a heck of a lot.

I think Amir can take this thing if he gets a side kick in on CB before CB can take him down. Amir has POWER in his limbs, he dropped CB twice in their fight, that's nuts.

docpound

06/20/2008, 19:50

The kicks were powerful but now CB has had the chance to really train for kicks has Amir trained enough Takedown Defense? We are gonna find out tomorrow!!!!!

PaxZRake

06/20/2008, 22:11

What else would Amir train for? It's not like CB is going to develop enough standup to hang with him:)

I'm crashing out the entire day. I have 18 beers in the fridge, and I'm watching the entire TUF marathon. It will be awesome!

mike_houghton

06/21/2008, 10:55

u need to drink a beer everytime Jesse says something stupid... is anyone else pissed that Matt Browns match wont be televised?

docpound

06/21/2008, 17:29

I'm mad about the HORN V LISTER match that's not going to be televised I think Horn will have much better stand up than Lister but Horns gotten caught in his last couple of fights. If he could have beaten' Nate the Great they would have thrown him to Anderson of course he lost, now he's not even televised.

MrFurious87

06/21/2008, 19:44

I didn't even know they weren't televising the Horn/Lister fight. That makes me pretty angry actually, i'm a fan of Dean Lister, and Jeremy is a pretty good fighter to watch.

It sucks that they're not showing the Matt Brown fight too, he was one of my favorites from this season. I hope they have a fight for Matt Riddle. That kid is awesome.:laugh:

I am excited about the Kendall Grove fight though, he is one of my all-time favorite fighters. Anyone else like Grove?

MrFurious87

06/21/2008, 20:42

I just checked out the UFC fight card for tonight, and it said they might not air the Drew McFedries fight or the Burkman fight.:mad: That is not cool, UFC. Not cool.:cry:

docpound

06/22/2008, 01:36

Amir was fantastic it was a very tight armbar in my opinion Rogan said it that he tourqued it but that happened when CB slamed him.

What really strikes me about the state of MMA right now is the poor officiation that occurs inside the cage ring or where ever people are fighting. Luigi was knocked out with the hi kick to the temple fight should have been over there I don't see any need for Diego to have to bust out a flying knee and then ground and pound the fight out that was a standing KO! All I'm going to say is that they have one job and that's to protect the fighters, and it didn't happen in that case they also need to be more in on the fight warn of illegal stuff before it happens EX when they go to the clinch warn them then of illegal blows be in position when punches are being thrown and know what's legal and what's not. In Ninja Rua's last fight he used what is illegally known as the rap choke to beat his opponet, at UFC 85 we saw an illegal pile driver used on an opponet even after that fighter Nate Marquart had lost two points for previous illegal blows then during the main event I sat and watched Grove illegally swipe Tanner in the back of the head every time they were in the clinch. Not saying Grove didn't win the fight but every little bit helps. I just want to see some fair fights :(

J. Burk is a really cool dude I met him at ufc 77 hostile territory on the floor after his bout with Forrest Petz great guy took photos and when my brother went to the restroom I offered Josh his seat lol.

MrFurious87

06/22/2008, 04:08

I noticed the shots to the back of Tanner's head. I think it wasn't called on, because of his extremely long arms and he could reach to the other side of Tanner's head, and Mazzagati wanted to keep the fight going.

The Amir fight was awesome, and I was shocked to see that it went almost exactly the same way as his last fight with CB. It was over a little too quickly for my taste though.:ermm: Still glad that Amir is our new Ultimate Fighter.:)

I wish I would have been able to see the Burkman and McFedries fights though. They are two of my favorite fighters.:sad:

All in all, it was a great night.:)

docpound

06/22/2008, 21:15

They showed Drew fight Eastman it was a pretty quick fight powerful hands he said in the after fight interview that Eastman is just fn' strong and he knew he wanted to finish the fight very quickly I was kinda drunk but it was something like that lol. I think it was the last fight they showed after the lackluster main event. Lister beat horn with a choke which as you all know is very impressive... Burkman fell to an armbar from Cincy's Dustin Hazlet. Still have high hopes for Josh though MMA is getting so big his name will get him a lot of fights if he loses the UFC contract.

FoxInStocks

06/23/2008, 10:00

Man, what a show.

I thought all the fights were great. Mah' boi, SPENCER "THE KING" FISHER, came out and put on another exciting show as usual. I hope he gets back into the title picture. I don't see him beating BJ, but he'd make it exciting.

Deigo is a scary dude when he's focused. I'd like to see him fight GSP just to really see him get tested. Not that he hasn't been tested yet, but I don't think he's had an A-level test, save for maybe Fitch.

Gotta' love Matt Riddle. That dude is gonna' go far if he keeps his head straight and keeps trying to improve. Well-deserved victory there.

When the Amir/CB fight started, I said, "Man, it'd be crazy if Amir beats CB with that same armbar. Haha, like that would ever happen!" And then Amir beat CB with that same armbar, just in less time. :ermm: CB tapped, so his little hissy after the call just made him look bad. Maybe he changed his mind mid-tap or something, but whatever. Amir had that armbar tight. If CB didn't tap, he was going home with a arm that bent the wrong way. Either way: All aboard the Sadollah Warwagon.

I thought Tanner/Grove was the worst fight of the night. I've never been a big Tanner fan, and I outright dislike Grove (Ortiz, Part 2). The fight seemed dull to me, BUT...I'll give credit to Grove. He seemed a lot more humble after his win, so maybe he shook off the Ortiz immaturity. We'll see.

As for the officiating, well...that's the problem with MMA, and that's why Big John McCarthy retired and is working with the Athletic Commissions. There's too much gray area. For example, McCarthy (who helped to shape most of the rules) and Mazzagatti both call "Back of the head" to be a mohawk-like area. As John puts it, "You can't hit Chuck Liddell on his mohawk, but the bald area is legal."

Herb Dean steadfastly refutes this. He claims the rules imply that "back of the head" is from ear-to-ear, as if you had headphones on with the strap around the back of your head.

But piledrivers are still illegal and obvious. I'd question Dean not calling that...but it's Dean. Him and Dan Mirgilotta are two of the worst officals in the sport.

docpound

06/23/2008, 10:55

Burkmans V Hazelet is on UFC.com home page for free.

FoxInStocks

06/23/2008, 13:03

docpound

06/23/2008, 13:13

Yeah, I watched that a little earlier. Another good fight.

Oh, the other new bit of news: Anderson Silva is going to move up to 205 to fight James Irwin on July 19th. Thats, uh, damn risky if you ask me. That's only 5 weeks to train. Now, I hear that Silva walks around at about 215lbs anyhow, so he won't have to cut that much weight for the fight. I dunno'. Weeeeeird fight if you ask me.

Throw into the mix Irvin's chin is pretty strong and probably outside of Dan Henderson who Silva tapped to beat, the best chin he's faced I like the fight for the simple fact that if Silva wins this and Chuck wins against Rashad thats what we get Chuck V Silva probably around christmas time Anderson will still have to defend the title against Almada or Cote. Big dog Almada could pose some serious problems for Anderson Cote's hands will just get him into trouble you can't outstrike persicion with power. Coming from pride Anderson is used to fighting bigger guys and I don't see this Irvin fight as being a really hard fight for him if he can take it to the ground James is toast.

Metal

06/23/2008, 14:40

Anderson vs Irvin will be interesting but I think Anderson has this one. Anderson is a smart fighter and will not get caught up in strength match-up with James Irvin.

I see Anderson picking him apart with precise punches from long range.

NeoShazam

06/23/2008, 15:12

Yeah , good show.

When Jesse spoke though he sounded like the dumbest guy ever.

I liked Amir from the first episode because of his sarcasm, never thought he'd beat Matt Brown or CB. After the loss to Amir, CB started looking really bad because of his gassing problem. It looked like he had some psych issues after that loss because his movements and stuff looked different in the octogon as well.

TheAwesomeSlapstick

06/23/2008, 17:52

I'd question Dean not calling that...but it's Dean. Him and Dan Mirgilotta are two of the worst officals in the sport.

QFT and repped as well. Dean is a terrible ref. Just terrible.:mad:

FoxInStocks

06/24/2008, 10:20

QFT and repped as well. Dean is a terrible ref. Just terrible.:mad:

The thing about Dean is that he's incredibly inconsistent. He'll call one round okay, maybe two, maybe even a whole match...but then suddenly he'll completely ignore a piledriver. I keep my fingers crossed when he's in the ring.

The other thing that bugs me about him is his stance on "back of the head". Apparently his "headphones" definition comes from some off-the-books verbal agreement with a California or Nevada doctor who told the AC that the "headphone" area was the danger zone and should be illegal. My understanding is that neither AC made it official; they just said, "yeah, okay, that makes sense. You can call fouls on that if you want."

docpound

06/24/2008, 13:00

docpound

06/24/2008, 13:11

I just saw that at UFC 89 in October will have Bisping V Leben is the head liner in England they fight that should have happend has Chris not turned himself in for probation violation. My question is this Why do the UK shows they completly lose the US market since they air at 3:30 in the afternoon no one watches it. Two why does Bisping always get to fight in the UK I don't like the home field advantage thing. At least this time he's fighting a real fighter.

FoxInStocks

06/24/2008, 13:13

I really agree with the headphones rule they needed something or someway to make the ruling fair mostly for fans at home. I've heard lots of MMA fans especially the older ones who watched without rules, they don't like it at all. I think it's there to protect the guys in the ring so I agree with not being able to hit in the back of the head spine/brain protection and all. Elbows that are slanted and hit the back of the head like in the Silva V Lutter fight how do you rule that? When watching I thought they were clearly illeagal then listening to the explanation by Randy that since they were slanted to the back of the head they were legal? Most of the time in MMA the explanation of the rules just complicates things more especially for the casual fan. Personally I can only think of one thing I don't like, I'd like to do away with knees to the face all together fighter gets clocked with a knee game over its almost an unfair way to end a fight.

Oh yeah did you see that new game trailer? Awesome only problem was no Wii plug at the bottom they can't not be making it for the wii can they?

You know what the killer is with the "back of head" rule debate? The whole thing is basically about "behind the ears". McCarthy says you've only got a one-inch variance (i.e. you can strike one-inch away from the ears). Dean says you can't strike there AT ALL. Both base their POVs on doctor's testimony. So really they're arguing over a one-inch area.

As for knees...better learn to love 'em. There's a big push going on to legalize knees to the head of a fallen opponent, like the PRIDE rules had. Personally, I say that as long as fight doctors approve it, then legalize it. These guys are there to fight. There's danger in that no matter what. Knees are a huge part of muay thai (THE CLINCH! WOO!), and they add a lot of strategy to the ground game. There's a good article out there on bringing kneeds on the ground back; I'll see if I can find it.

Now, the UFC game on the Wii? It's possible. THQ has supported the Wii through the WWE games so far. Unless the UFC game is super-intense, the Wii'll probally get it.

FoxInStocks

06/24/2008, 13:34

Two why does Bisping always get to fight in the UK I don't like the home field advantage thing.

Easy: The UFC wants to build a solid fanbase and market in the UK. Nothing helps that cause more than a famous, successful hometown boy. Bisping fits the bill. He puts British butts in seats.

He's fought two real fighters so far: Matt Hammil and Rashad Evans. And he lost both times, regardless of what the books say. :cheeky:

PaxZRake

06/24/2008, 13:49

Easy: The UFC wants to build a solid fanbase and market in the UK. Nothing helps that cause more than a famous, successful hometown boy. Bisping fits the bill. He puts British butts in seats.

He's fought two real fighters so far: Matt Hammil and Rashad Evans. And he lost both times, regardless of what the books say. :cheeky:

I have those fights opposite what the judges scored them.

He lost to Hammill, no problem there.

He beat Rashad though.

But Bisping has looked good since he dropped weight, curious to see where he goes from here.

docpound

06/24/2008, 17:43

Yeah Hammill won every round and aww man his dirty boxing was awesome just stood and let Bisping have it. And the more you rewatch the fight the lopsided it was.

FoxInStocks

07/07/2008, 09:35

So how 'bout that Forrest Griffin? :cheeky:

BudPalmer

07/07/2008, 10:11

It was a pretty good fight. Forrest hurt him early and took advantage of that the rest of the fight. Limiting Jackson's ability to persue followed by hitting and fading was exactly how to beat him. You don't stand there and exchange with that guy.

I was the only person in a room of six people who felt that Griffin owned the fight. He was only wobbled once... in the first round.

NRadd59

07/07/2008, 10:27

Forrest did own that fight. He controlled the range at which the fight was fought. Those leg kicks smoked Jackson. I was a little disappointed that Jackson did not seem to sense the urgency or realize that he need to start swinging more. He never really found a way to solve the length/reach of Griffin. I was pulling for Forrest, but I don't like to see a guy not at least attempt to solve the "problem" of facing his opponent. You have to at least try! Watching both of them on TUF was fun though...

PaxZRake

07/07/2008, 10:28

Forrest looked awesome in that fight.

The first two rounds he just exposed all of the holes in Rampages game. While Rampage was able to recover a little bit from those, he never got back into it enough to impose his will on Forrest. That Second round 8-10 punishment Rampage took wasn't didn't help him much either:)

On the "Rampage imposing his will" page: How would Rampage impose his will on Forrest? Forrest's chin is incredible. It looked like he took the same shot that Liddell did, and recovered in seconds.

Wonderful fight. One of the best 5 rounders I've seen. I'd say it's right up there with Couture/Sylvia (which I personally liked, because Randy just embarrassed Tim in every aspect:))

I'm curious to see where both fighters are going to now. I'd like to see some mix of Forrest/Wand/Machida/Rampage myself.

FoxInStocks

07/07/2008, 12:33

On the "Rampage imposing his will" page: How would Rampage impose his will on Forrest? Forrest's chin is incredible. It looked like he took the same shot that Liddell did, and recovered in seconds.

Ehhh...

I'm definitely one of the head engineers on the Forrest warwagon, but even I'll admit that his chin isn't rock-solid. I think it's good; he can take and shake good, hard punches. I worry about him however when he gets in there with power-punchers. Jardine (not even a real power-puncher) caught him. Rampage almost did. He'll need to be incredibly carefull with Chuck and Wandy.

With that said, I think that Round 2 was the round that sealed the fight. Once 'Page got his leg injured by that leg kick, I think he lost his ability to push the pace. That was really the moment that it became Forrest's fight.

Too bad it ended so close; I know a lot of carp is going to be flung at Forrest for "stealing" a win.

PaxZRake

07/07/2008, 12:42

Too bad it ended so close; I know a lot of carp is going to be flung at Forrest for "stealing" a win.

Heh, I prefer close fights. Though, I wouldn't say this one was close, it was clear, to me, that it was Forrest's to lose. That coming from a guy who was rooting for Rampage to knock Forrest out the entire fight.

All this means is I'll probably stay away from Sherdog for a while:)

Our fight won't go to no decision, I bet my purse on it!

I wonder how much money Forrest is going to see from this?

:cheeky:

FoxInStocks

07/07/2008, 13:00

All this means is I'll probably stay away from Sherdog for a while:)

No way, man. It's comedy gold over there. The TUF-haters are in mass-suicide mode. The only thing that will top this is if Big Timmeh beats Fedor. Heck, if he SUBMITS Fedor.

docpound

07/08/2008, 21:35

Yeah Hammill won every round and aww man his dirty boxing was awesome just stood and let Bisping have it. And the more you rewatch the fight the lopsided it was.

Yeah so I'm at my local Bw3's watching the fight and I look up at the table infront of me and Matt Hammil is sitting at the table in front of me I was in shock and really couldn't believe what was going on, I guess he was on some sort of Bw3's tour but I'll be damned if I didn't get to watch the fight with the hammer he had T-shirts and stuff for sale so I bought one it was just awesome dude stayed for the whole PPV even the Prelims after the main event, drinking water I might add. Oh and I've got to put this in I'm from the Columbus area Forrest is a hero of mine along with Rich Franklin "I'm an Ohio fighter guy" but Rampage got robbed on a descision, he did his part to win the descision or at least make it a split one he got booed' before the weighin's and again when he came out I really think that played into the judges minds when makeing the descision it can't be a uni descision when the guy who won got rocked off his feet more than once. The judges suck and really any fight that goes that the distance isn't going to be judged fairly they need to have set judges and maybe instant replay as it stands right now this is how I feel the UFC needed a big push to make some noise and they handed this win to Forrest greatful the belt is in the hands of an ohio kid sad at the injustice of Rampage.

PaxZRake

07/09/2008, 12:56

FoxInStocks

07/09/2008, 13:27

Doc, how do you see Rampage winning the fight?

I score the Round 1 9-10 for Forrest.
I score the Round 2 8-10 for Forrest.

The next three rounds are all close, but my impression from them was that Forrest was ahead. I know Rampage won at least one round, but that sure isn't enough to come back from that Round 2.

You mean 10-9 and 10-8 for Forrest, right?

Peoples scores on this seem to be all over. The general concensus is that Rampage took round one 10-9, Forrest took round two 10-8, and then the next three rounds were up in the air (most seem to give Rampage 4 and Forrest 5, leaving round three as the tie-breaker).

I'm really not sure where I stand. I think that the knockdown at the end of R1 cemented that round as Rampages, 10-9. R2 was ABSOLUTELY Forrest, all Forrest, and nothing but Forrest; he gets it 10-8.

Even if you give Rampage R3 and R4 with a 10-9 and R5 to Forrest at 10-9, you end up with a 47-47 draw.

I've heard some folks saying Rampage deserved a 10-8 for R1, but I disagree. Forrest had offense. He didn't have a big knockdown, but he was scoring strikes. Not enough to win the round, but not a 10-8 either.

PaxZRake

07/09/2008, 13:36

Ha, yea. I give Forrest the first two rounds.

In my opinion R1 was Forrest's based on, well, all of the factors. The leg kicks really won me over. All Rampage had going for him that round was the one punch, after which he decided to fall right into Forrest's Full Guard (I notice a lot of guys doing this, why not just knock the feet to the left or right and get into side control to mount? Are you really THAT confident in your GnP?).

That being said, I see NO reason to give Rampage a 10-8 for R1.

I remember 3, 4, and 5 being good and close, but with the impression that Forrest won more than he lost. I'm probably going to watch the fight again tonight, and I'll keep the scoring in mind a bit more than I usually do.

FoxInStocks

07/09/2008, 13:50

Here's the fightmetric breakdown of the bout (http://fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html).

If you look at Round 1, Rampage connected the most with the most power. Most of Forrest's offense was in legkicks. I think Rampage did enough in that round to warrant a 10-9 in his favor. I mean, hell; if he had followed his knockdown, he could have potentially finished it.

Interestingly enough, though, the fightmetric system scored the whole fight for Rampage. I'm going to have to look the details over.

PaxZRake

07/09/2008, 14:31

From the Fightmetric I have:

R1 (which seems to be the disputed round)

Forrest and Rampage scoring evenly in power (15 each). Forrest getting in more overall shots.

The fightmetric has them at a draw as near as I can tell. Forrest winning two rounds (R2 being all him) and Rampage winning three.

I'm still not horribly impressed with Rampage's knockdown. Sure, if it had gone the way he wanted it to he would have won in the first. Forrest had Rampage in a pretty good triangle in R4, that would have won him that as well.

The stats are really interesting though. I can't say I understand the metric enough for it to be extremely useful for me.

docpound

07/09/2008, 17:18

Doc, how do you see Rampage winning the fight?

I score the Round 1 9-10 for Forrest.
I score the Round 2 8-10 for Forrest.

The next three rounds are all close, but my impression from them was that Forrest was ahead. I know Rampage won at least one round, but that sure isn't enough to come back from that Round 2.

I didn't see any 10-8 rounds, 10-8 round usually don't happen all that often outside of fouls, the fighter would have to take a serious beating in which the ref could have stopped the fight at any time/Major damage cut wise/ fighter has basiclly no offensive or defensive movement and gets beat on the whole five mins(actually all of these might have to occur for it to be a 10-8. Pretty much every round was 10-9 on my score card I gave only the second round to Forrest he won that round the rest of the rounds he didn't clearly win and rampage pushed the pace for most of the fight, by the fourth round I personally felt like all hope was lost for Forrest he didn't have a shot to win on points since yeah he only clearly won one round every single other round was close and the champ gets the bennifit on a tied round, that's why you have to beat the champion. Even in the post fight interviews Rampage said he basiclly gave that second round to Forrest, Rampage wants a rematch and he's going to get one, he also said some stuff about ring rust which I think he was getting fed from him corner, but what are you supposed to say Rampage looked great in my opinion.

docpound

07/09/2008, 17:25

Ehhh...

A. I'm definitely one of the head engineers on the Forrest warwagon, but even I'll admit that his chin isn't rock-solid. I think it's good; he can take and shake good, hard punches.
B. Too bad it ended so close; I know a lot of carp is going to be flung at Forrest for "stealing" a win.

A. Yeah I seem to remember Rampage rocking Forrest more than once thing is Forrest was really quick to get back to range and cover himself up but he did I think in every round except 2 get his bell rung. Forrest said something to the effect of that's knockout power with a wink.

B. I don't think it's any worse than the loss Forrest has on his record when he battled Tito.