HCRealms Mafia - 'Arkham Riots' - Game Thread

[Rokk_Krinn]

Do we have a list of players still in the game?

While I think fathernson is fishier than Lori Lemaris, he did bring up an interesting point about the frequent "abstaining" votes that we might wish to consider for tonight/tomorrow. I admit that's partly because I'm now hung up on the idea that Two-Face couldn't vote as he hadn't chosen a side so I may be "self-deluding" here.

[Rokk_Krinn]

We're dealing with a damn good player, still.

You got me. It's me. :)

(Okay, I just wanted to try and get a compliment out of Thawmus. :laugh: )

[Thawmus]

LOL. :p

maybe because the power or recluit was giving just when they lost a member? maybe?

anyways I'm out Thawmus will be happy.

Vote Lynch: Fathernson

to the guys who are nice and don't skip my posts: see you later guys!

All I'm saying is to try and not get so excited, and spend some more time constructing your posts.

You're posting 4-5 posts at a time, and I can't comprehend a single one of them. It'd be much better if you spent the time to make one I could read.

And I know you can do that.

[fathernson]

Fathernson.
I investigated him last night & he is a GK. I'm guessing Robin, their role blocker.

Thanks for speaking up about Batfink.

I seriously think it would be too easy to just poke the bats and figure out who they were EVERY TIME. There's got to be a way for them to misdirect, and paint non-Mafia members as Mafia.

There's at least two litmus-testers here, plus two people (Two-Face & Black Mask) who flip/leave when they encounter Bats. How easy would the game be if all you had to do was pick a target and learn their alignment correctly, every single time, without fail?

I'm not a bat, so I figure this is the only way that Batfink's reading makes sense.

[batfink]

Carlos is The Shadow. He has the power to cloud men's minds.

[Thawmus]

You got me. It's me. :)

(Okay, I just wanted to try and get a compliment out of Thawmus. :laugh: )

You don't smell bad.


There, a compliment.


That I can't back up at all. :laugh:

[fathernson]

Do we have a list of players still in the game?


JackAssterson
m_a_caque
Iron Ham
Thawmus
JackofHearts2005
CarlosMucha
ReZourceman
Rokk_Krinn
batfink
fathernson
TMNT99
Doombot 3.1
Magnito
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid

[Thawmus]

How easy would the game be if all you had to do was pick a target and learn their alignment correctly, every single time, without fail?

Well, that's typically what the investigator does.

There are ways to misdirect, or roleblock them.

Also, killing them is a good option.

Typically, the Don is immune to investigation when he has X number of partners still alive.

Of course, that doesn't save him from other circumstances, like an alignment-switching serial killer's accomplice, but there you go.

[Thawmus]

Carlos is The Shadow. He has the power to cloud men's minds.

How could you possibly know that?

[fathernson]

How could you possibly know that?

I think he means Carlos the PLAYER, not Carlos the CHARACTER. :)

[Thawmus]

I think he means Carlos the PLAYER, not Carlos the CHARACTER. :)

I know.

I'd still like to know how he knows that.

[batfink]

How could you possibly know that?
Its a joke.
Carlos has the power to cloud men's minds because sometimes his posts are confusing.

[fathernson]

Well, that's typically what the investigator does.

There are ways to misdirect, or roleblock them.

Also, killing them is a good option.

Typically, the Don is immune to investigation when he has X number of partners still alive.

Of course, that doesn't save him from other circumstances, like an alignment-switching serial killer's accomplice, but there you go.

Ok, I hear what you're saying, but there were at least two litmus testers at the start of the game, one guy that auto-arrests if he targets a bat, and one guy that can flip if approached. That seems like an awful lot of triggers for just tagging someone. It would be too easy to track and determine the bats that way. Especially with multiple groups, and we know of the bats, the jokers, and the black mask's for sure.

So I bet this game's different.

Especially since I'm not a bat.

[Thawmus]

Its a joke.
Carlos has the power to cloud men's minds because sometimes his posts are confusing.

Oh, okay.

I was about to vote for you, don't scare me like that......

[Thawmus]

Ok, I hear what you're saying, but there were at least two litmus testers at the start of the game, one guy that auto-arrests if he targets a bat, and one guy that can flip if approached. That seems like an awful lot of triggers for just tagging someone. It would be too easy to track and determine the bats that way. Especially with multiple groups, and we know of the bats, the jokers, and the black mask's for sure.

So I bet this game's different.

Especially since I'm not a bat.

who was auto-arresting Bat-people???

[Rokk_Krinn]

Especially since I'm not a bat.

So what further proof do you have that you're the Scarecrow?

[fathernson]

Also, did anyone bother tracking me last night?

I'm a role-blocker, and I targeted Doombot 3.1 because he was on my Freeze/JaneDoe list. I have learned from today's discussion that he's someone else.

Can Doombot verify that I role-blocked him? That would at least confirm that I didn't arrest anyone, and that I'm not lying about my power.

[Rokk_Krinn]

who was auto-arresting Bat-people???

I think he means Black Mask getting auto-arrested...but maybe a ticked off Harvey Bullock is in the game? :laugh:

[fathernson]

who was auto-arresting Bat-people???

Sorry, bad verbiage.

If Black Mask targeted a Bat-ally, he'd be auto-arrested. That's what I was talking about.

[Thawmus]

Also, did anyone bother tracking me last night?

I'm a role-blocker, and I targeted Doombot 3.1 because he was on my Freeze/JaneDoe list. I have learned from today's discussion that he's someone else.

Can Doombot verify that I role-blocked him? That would at least confirm that I didn't arrest anyone, and that I'm not lying about my power.

There you go.


Cmon Doombot, we want to know.

[fathernson]

So what further proof do you have that you're the Scarecrow?

I don't know, lots of hay in my laundry? What are you looking for?

[Rokk_Krinn]

There's a simple way to do this...keep close tabs on Fathernson tonight - or maybe I can Night Kill him :devious: - and we lynch Carlos just to save Thawmus' brain. :cheeky:

(Yes, Carlos, I'm joking.)

[Doombot 3.1]

Also, did anyone bother tracking me last night?

I'm a role-blocker, and I targeted Doombot 3.1 because he was on my Freeze/JaneDoe list. I have learned from today's discussion that he's someone else.

Can Doombot verify that I role-blocked him? That would at least confirm that I didn't arrest anyone, and that I'm not lying about my power.

I did not receive a PM from JacinB informing me that I had been roleblocked last night, or any other night, for that matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence from the write-ups that I had been roleblocked.

If indeed you are an Inmate roleblocker, who else have you roleblocked? Furthermore, given that Freeze already knows who Jane Doe is and has done quite a good job of keeping her from killing anyone, why on earth would you try to roleblock her as well?

[fathernson]

There's a simple way to do this...keep close tabs on Fathernson tonight - or maybe I can Night Kill him :devious: - and we lynch Carlos just to save Thawmus' brain. :cheeky:

(Yes, Carlos, I'm joking.)

That's a great ..... hey!

I'd be happy to role-block someone tonight, if Doombot is unwilling to verify.

[Thawmus]

There's a simple way to do this...keep close tabs on Fathernson tonight - or maybe I can Night Kill him :devious: - and we lynch Carlos just to save Thawmus' brain. :cheeky:

(Yes, Carlos, I'm joking.)

Who do you have on your list?

You're already going to be a huge target tonight again. The only reason they didn't go for you is because I specifically asked for your protection.


Hell they probably went for me because they think I can protect. And hey, maybe I can. We'll play that game again, too, mafia.

Am I telling the truth, that I'm incapable of doing anything at night?

Or am I a doctor now? After all, I'm Dr. Harleen Quinzel!!

Or do I have an auto-defense power, since I'm paranoid since Mr. J is arrested?

Spin the wheel, mafia! Spin it if you dare!!!

[JacinB]

Right. If this game lasts until late October, then I'll worry about Carlos.
Just a little FYI: Tomorrow is 'Patriot Day'.

[Thawmus]

Out of curiosity, does Jacin PM anyone when they're roleblocked?

I know for a fact that in macaque's game, you did, but I don't know how Jacin's doing this.

[fathernson]

I did not receive a PM from JacinB informing me that I had been roleblocked last night, or any other night, for that matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence from the write-ups that I had been roleblocked.

If indeed you are an Inmate roleblocker, who else have you roleblocked? Furthermore, given that Freeze already knows who Jane Doe is and has done quite a good job of keeping her from killing anyone, why on earth would you try to roleblock her as well?

Point One: Did you try to use your power last night? If you didn't target anyone, then you might not have even known. But I DID PM Jacin that you were my target, and my power IS to role-block. (I'd have never called you out to be so easily trumped.)

Point Two: My perspective is simple: anyone that can take me out of the game is dangerous. That's the bats, and the killers. Right now the bats are down two players, there's one known and one suspected killer left. Those are the people I want to block.

And I have no idea who Freeze will target with his power. He could just as easily have targeted someone else, instead of repeating.

[Thawmus]

Just a little FYI: Tomorrow is 'Patriot Day'.

Aw hell......

[JacinB]

I did not receive a PM from JacinB informing me that I had been roleblocked last night, or any other night, for that matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence from the write-ups that I had been roleblocked.

If indeed you are an Inmate roleblocker, who else have you roleblocked? Furthermore, given that Freeze already knows who Jane Doe is and has done quite a good job of keeping her from killing anyone, why on earth would you try to roleblock her as well?
You typically won't get a PM telling you that you've been role-blocked and, depending on how easy it is to work into the story, it may or may not have made it into the write-up.

Not saying it happened, just saying that you may not be aware of it even if it had. Which it might've. Or, it might not've. Just saying. :cheeky:

[fathernson]

Aw hell......

Well said. Anyone wanna lynch Carlos now, and save ourselves a lot of reading?

Vote: Carlos Mucha

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was thinking what was the Scaracrow who "take all" or that girl in the first night. I never see that as a torture, is just the way what I imagine that?
That wasn't Scarecrow.
The Knights tried two evenings in a row to recruit Harvey and each time it required a coin flip (my guess - they targeted him for another reason the first night and went "Sweet! Keep on him!" once they saw the potential treasure-trove). So I don't think Nightwing and Batman were recruiters so much as Harvey was "recruitable".
I agree.
ohhhh. I got it.

but then why they don't try to recluit Harvey sinse day one??
Well, probably because they either didn't know who Two Face was or they didn't know they could recruit him. Probably the former.

Charles' roleclaim was solid.
Not solid enough. ;)

[fathernson]

You typically won't get a PM telling you that you've been role-blocked and, depending on how easy it is to work into the story, it may or may not have made it into the write-up.

Not saying it happened, just saying that you may not be aware of it even if it had. Which it might've. Or, it might not've. Just saying. :cheeky:

Thank you God, thank you Oprah, thank you Tom Cruise for using your witchcraft to put the fire out!

[Thawmus]

Rokk, you gonna give us that list, yet?

[fathernson]

Shoot, I did my vote wrong.

Vote: Carlos Mucha

[m_a_caque]

Just a little FYI: Tomorrow is 'Patriot Day'.


ok so are we sticking with the fathernson lynch? or going for carlos now?

i have to leave work in about half an hour and won't be home till 8pm, i have to get my vote in soon.

[CarlosMucha]

work time now. I'm back afther 10.30 PM.

[Thawmus]

ok so are we sticking with the fathernson lynch? or going for carlos now?

i have to leave work in about half an hour and won't be home till 8pm, i have to get my vote in soon.

I'm going with neither.

With Lensnart being arrested, and a shape-changer, people need to investigate what exactly they DO know, and try to figure out if there's a chance they were wrong.

Right now, there's a high chance that Batfink isn't someone we want around.

And Doombot is equally fishy.

Fathernson's roleclaim doesn't make me feel great.

Iron Ham hasn't told us who we can trust, yet, or if he was roleblocked.

There is a LOT of roleblocking going on, here. I can't believe that we've got 4 roleblockers in this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thoughts on CarlosMucha and Fathernson:

Carlos is probably Holiday. He was probably trying to hint that he was Two-Face and it backfired on him. Since this game isn't likely to last a full year, Carlos probably does get the chance to kill on ALL holidays instead of just one per month.

I'm convinced that fathernson is in the mafia. Promethius could be a cop, as we've seen no cops (as opposed to trackers) die and Promethius is damn smart.

We haven't seen evidence of any inmate roleblockers, but we have seen evidence of Knight roleblockers. Fathernson could say he roleblocked someone, and be telling the truth, but he could be roleblocking for the Knights.

Furthermore, if he has in fact narrowed down the list of who could be Freeze and Jane to 3 people, WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE TARGET THEM!?! If he got Freeze, Jane would be free to kill. If he got Jane, nothing good would happen. An inmate wouldn't want to do that. Robin would.

[Doombot 3.1]

Point One: Did you try to use your power last night? If you didn't target anyone, then you might not have even known. But I DID PM Jacin that you were my target, and my power IS to role-block. (I'd have never called you out to be so easily trumped.)

Point Two: My perspective is simple: anyone that can take me out of the game is dangerous. That's the bats, and the killers. Right now the bats are down two players, there's one known and one suspected killer left. Those are the people I want to block.

And I have no idea who Freeze will target with his power. He could just as easily have targeted someone else, instead of repeating.

I did use my power last night (which was not the same power that I used the first night). I have used a power every night. I have seen no indication that I have ever been roleblocked, although as JacinB's post points out, that is not conclusive.

Your reasons for trying to roleblock Jane Doe when Freeze already knows who she is are implausible. It should have been obvious to Freeze that the most useful thing he could do was to keep on roleblocking Jane Doe, which he, in fact, did. What you're saying is that you were trying to roleblock Jane Doe (I gather you don't actually know who she is), and therefore, you were trying to duplicate what someone else was already doing. That strikes me as ridiculous.

VOTE: Fathernson

[Jackofhearts2005]

We haven't seen evidence of any inmate roleblockers,
Other than Freeze, of course.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, FnS is spreading misinformation:
Nobody could have the power to find out straight up someone was a knight.
There are only 2 knights left.

[fathernson]

Doombot makes 9, so that ought to do it.

Please change your votes guys. I can help.

The reason I target killers is because they can remove me from the game. I don't know why that's so tough to understand. Maybe it's not what you would do, but this is my first mafia. I wanted to target people who could hurt me. Failing to find an obvious Bat-target, I went hunting for a killer. Plain and simple.

[Doombot 3.1]

And Doombot is equally fishy.



*Sigh*

I've given you enough to indicate who I am.

I will also say that I refuse to roleclaim further. I realize that may well lead to my death at the hands of a lynch mob, if not today, then perhaps the next day. I will still refuse to roleclaim further, although I will try to defend myself as best I can without resorting to roleclaiming.

In the unfortunate event that I am killed via lynch mob, I am confident that when my identity is revealed, every inmate who is part of that mob will regret their vote.

[fathernson]

Also, FnS is spreading misinformation:
Nobody could have the power to find out straight up someone was a knight.
There are only 2 knights left.

When did I claim that power?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Thoughts on CarlosMucha and Fathernson:

Carlos is probably Holiday. He was probably trying to hint that he was Two-Face and it backfired on him. Since this game isn't likely to last a full year, Carlos probably does get the chance to kill on ALL holidays instead of just one per month.

Which is why I'm -this- close to lynch-voting hin so we don't have more of these games tomorrow and because he likely knew and was trying to bluff us. Maybe I'm letting my annoyance cloud my mind but that's a darn good reason to lynch Carlos if not today, than tomorrow.


We haven't seen evidence of any inmate roleblockers, but we have seen evidence of Knight roleblockers.

Except for Freeze - don't want us to forget that he's out there and been doing a very good job of keeping Jane from killing (the one night he didn't block her - because he blocked me - she killed someone, so I'm all for letting him keep doing what he's doing).

As for my list - sorry Thawmus, I was offline - it's as follows:

CarlosMucha
JackA (repeat - guessing it's the same ability so foolish to choose him for day and Carlos is looking mighty tempting for Night if I get the same follow-up)

Iron Ham
Magnito (repeat that served me very well the first Day Phase)

Thoughts?

[fathernson]

Also, Doombot's lying. I DID block him last night. Why in the world would I ask him to verify something, KNOWING that he would catch me in a lie? That's stupid. I'm a rookie, but I'm not stupid.

[Doombot 3.1]

Furthermore, if he has in fact narrowed down the list of who could be Freeze and Jane to 3 people, WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE TARGET THEM!?! If he got Freeze, Jane would be free to kill. If he got Jane, nothing good would happen. An inmate wouldn't want to do that. Robin would.

Exactly.

filler

[Rokk_Krinn]

Also, FnS is spreading misinformation:
Nobody could have the power to find out straight up someone was a knight.
There are only 2 knights left.

In fairness to Fathernson - whom I've been after ever since he tried to say he was Scarecrow (okay I voted prior to that but his statement cinched it for me) - I thought he was trying to say that Prometheus has the power to straight-up find out if someone is a Knight (which is what batfink has also implied).

[Jackofhearts2005]

When did I claim that power?
You claimed that nobody could have that power, when people have had very similar powers in every mafia game that I have ever played (you might not have known this).

You also claimed there were only 2 knights, when there are 3.
Trying to make the knights seem like less of a priority?

[Rokk_Krinn]

You claimed that nobody could have that power, when people have had very similar powers in every mafia game that I have ever played (you might not have known this).

You also claimed there were only 2 knights, when there are 3.
Trying to make the knights seem like less of a priority?

Ah. Sorry. Misunderstood your earlier statement.

This clarification is something with which I agree.

Though I'm still tempted to lynch Carlos out of pure annoyance that he tried to let us think he was harmless and tomorrow he's going to surprise us with a lynch of his choice.

[Doombot 3.1]

Also, Doombot's lying. I DID block him last night. Why in the world would I ask him to verify something, KNOWING that he would catch me in a lie? That's stupid. I'm a rookie, but I'm not stupid.

I have not lied. All I have said is that I have seen no evidence that anybody roleblocked me. JacinB has stated that he doesn't pm people who are roleblocked, and there's no indication in the write-up that I was roleblocked. Whether you actually roleblocked me or not, I don't know. However, I stand by my statement that I have seen no evidence that anybody roleblocked me.

Indeed, by now you should know that it may well be impossible for someone who was roleblocked to verify that fact. JacinB has said as much. By insisting that I provide proof of something that cannot be proven, you are simply attempting to smear me. (Incidentally, any cops/trackers who have doubts about me are welcome to investigate me. I have no fear whatsoever that I will be revealed as an inmate.)

[fathernson]

You claimed that nobody could have that power, when people have had very similar powers in every mafia game that I have ever played (you might not have known this).

You also claimed there were only 2 knights, when there are 3.
Trying to make the knights seem like less of a priority?

I don't know anything about what goes on in other mafia games. But I've DM'd a lot, and that whole litmus test thing just seems too easy.

I said the bats were DOWN two players, meaning their force was reduced by that many. Not that there were two bats left.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Scehaono - I'm sorry to ask this but I might as well do so: are you Jane Doe? Earlier you were willing to roleclaim as if you'd pretty much "given in" and the only reason I can think of for that is if you decided Freeze had you figured out (and I don't want Freeze to reveal his role) and you were pretty much "locked down" for the game.

Reason I ask is because it puts Fathernson's story to further shame.

[Thawmus]

Right now, either Fathernson or Doombot is lying.

[Doombot 3.1]

Also, Doombot's lying. I DID block him last night. Why in the world would I ask him to verify something, KNOWING that he would catch me in a lie? That's stupid. I'm a rookie, but I'm not stupid.

As I've stated above, the only thing I've ever said is that I've seen no evidence that I was roleblocked. The proof is below:

I did not receive a PM from JacinB informing me that I had been roleblocked last night, or any other night, for that matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence from the write-ups that I had been roleblocked.

[batfink]

Also, did anyone bother tracking me last night?

I'm a role-blocker, and I targeted Doombot 3.1 because he was on my Freeze/JaneDoe list. I have learned from today's discussion that he's someone else.

Can Doombot verify that I role-blocked him? That would at least confirm that I didn't arrest anyone, and that I'm not lying about my power.
I investigated you last night & you are GK.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't know anything about what goes on in other mafia games. But I've DM'd a lot, and that whole litmus test thing just seems too easy.

I said the bats were DOWN two players, meaning their force was reduced by that many. Not that there were two bats left.
Its a standard role in just about every mafia game. In the simplest forms of mafia, you will have townies (with no powers), a few mafia (who can kill one person at night), a cop/sheriff (who can target one person at night to see if they are mafia) and a doctor (protect one person from being killed by the mafia).

Well, my mistake on that statement.

[fathernson]

I have not lied. All I have said is that I have seen no evidence that anybody roleblocked me. JacinB has stated that he doesn't pm people who are roleblocked, and there's no indication in the write-up that I was roleblocked. Whether you actually roleblocked me or not, I don't know. However, I stand by my statement that I have seen no evidence that anybody roleblocked me.

Indeed, by now you should know that it may well be impossible for someone who was roleblocked to verify that fact. JacinB has said as much. By insisting that I provide proof of something that cannot be proven, you are simply attempting to smear me. (Incidentally, any cops/trackers who have doubts about me are welcome to investigate me. I have no fear whatsoever that I will be revealed as an inmate.)

OK, you're not lying. But your language was equally strong that I was lying.

Can you at least see the possibility that you were role-blocked, and don't realize. it? As a role-blocker, I'm not told if you tried to do something. I just figured that this far into the game you'd be busy.

Jacin has said that you don't always know. Can you just admit the possibility that you were role-blocked?

[Thawmus]

Rokk, use your power on Carlos.

At worst, you'll discover that he's mafia.

At best, you'll discover that he's Holiday, and we'll get two day killings instead of just one tomorrow.

[batfink]

Just a little FYI: Tomorrow is 'Patriot Day'.
Should we worry about Rosh Hashanah? Is Carlos Kosher?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Thawmus - any thoughts on whom I should pick before we move into Night Phase? Daytime-wise I can probably gain info if I pick someone other than JackA...though I'm not sure how much good that does us this Day Phase as we've already found someone who insists his Scarecrow and I'm not sure I believe it, leading me to think we're on a good track.

[fathernson]

Right now, either Fathernson or Doombot is lying.

I'm not lying.

I don't think Doombot's lying either. I think he's just missing that I could have blocked him without his knowledge.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Rokk, use your power on Carlos.

At worst, you'll discover that he's mafia.

At best, you'll discover that he's Holiday, and we'll get two day killings instead of just one tomorrow.

Okay. Cross your fingers. :)

[St-Dumas]

Alright. It's lunchtime and i'm contributing a vote.

Lynch vote: fathernson

[TMNT99]

Small point.. someone as accused me of obstaining from votes.

That is not the case. I've been at work when the votes occured, and by the time I come home, the vote is over.

As such, you'll notice I'm very active while on-line, but work as a waiter, and they don't let me walk around with a lap top while at work

Fathernson is fishy. we have someone saying he's GK.

Then he says he's scarecrow

A different person verifies he's not scarecrow.

I Say lynch him, and we'll either kill a GK or know if we have two liars.

[Doombot 3.1]

OK, you're not lying. But your language was equally strong that I was lying.

Can you at least see the possibility that you were role-blocked, and don't realize. it? As a role-blocker, I'm not told if you tried to do something. I just figured that this far into the game you'd be busy.

Jacin has said that you don't always know. Can you just admit the possibility that you were role-blocked?

I did, indeed, admit such a possibility:

Whether you actually roleblocked me or not, I don't know.

I think you're lying, not because you claim to have roleblocked me, but because the reasons you gave for trying to roleblock Jane Doe are ridiculous. Jackofhearts2005 stated much the same thing.

[fathernson]

I investigated you last night & you are GK.

I've told you that I think that's too easy, and JacinB's trying something different this time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can we have some votes removed from FnS for just a sec?

I've PMed Jacin a question and I don't want the day phase to end just yet.

[fathernson]

Its a standard role in just about every mafia game. In the simplest forms of mafia, you will have townies (with no powers), a few mafia (who can kill one person at night), a cop/sheriff (who can target one person at night to see if they are mafia) and a doctor (protect one person from being killed by the mafia).

Well, my mistake on that statement.

Again, please pardon my ignorance. First mafia. It still seems too simple.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I've told you that I think that's too easy, and JacinB's trying something different this time.
It's not too easy.

A "cop" has to pick between all the people, not pick someone who will kill him if targeted, not be killed by serial killers, not be taken by the mafia, etc etc.

The chances of him finding a mafia person are relatively slim each night. I for one am glad he found one.

[fathernson]

Can we have some votes removed from FnS for just a sec?

I've PMed Jacin a question and I don't want the day phase to end just yet.

Oh, there's a good idea! :nervous:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Monday's child wears a false face.
Tuesday's child should have his helm broke by my mace.
Wednesday's child must always lie to try to bring us all woe.
Thursday's child sends his own out through places high and low.
Friday's child is to be frozen until I eat her for Thanksgiving.
Saturday's child will try to kill us all for a living,
But the child who is born on the Sabbath Day
Is the one to watch for he is dark and good and will leave us all praying for the day.

I hate children.

(Before anyone asks if I'm riddling again, no...this is what I was given upon choosing Carlos)

[fathernson]

Okay...so Carlos is the Calendar Man.

Which just means he'll be a pain in the butt tomorrow, on Patriot's Day.

[Rokk_Krinn]

And, yes, I'm allowed to repeat it before we get into that debacle again. ;)

It's not exactly something that can be paraphrased without losing the effect. :laugh:

[JacinB]

Vote tally:
fathernson (10): batfink, TMNT99, scehaono, Rokk_Krinn, JackAssterson, theanalogkid, Magnito, CarlosMucha, Doombot 3.1, St-Dumas

CarlosMucha (1): fathernson

Though a majority has been reached, the day phase won't end just yet ...

[Rokk_Krinn]

Okay...so Carlos is the Calendar Man.

Which just means he'll be a pain in the butt tomorrow, on Patriot's Day.

Or, as Magnito was discussing earlier, Holiday as he certainly doesn't seem to bear the Inmates any good wishes (or he could be a Calendar Man that got recruited over to Black Hand...I honestly don't know)?

[m_a_caque]

is it possible for my vote to be thrown wherever thawmus votes, he seems to be the one who has stuff figured out, but i could be wrong. i have to leave now...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well, I've received my answer and so has Rokk.

I'll ask nobody to target Batfink tonight.

Vote: Fathernson

[Jackofhearts2005]

Do Calender Man or Holiday hate kids?

That seems to be an odd focus of your message, Rokk.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Do Calender Man or Holiday hate kids?

That seems to be an odd focus of your message, Rokk.

Not so odd if it read it that we're all the children of the week.

Holiday had no love for Inmates.

Then again, neither would a converted Calendar Man.

Or perhaps Harvey's covering for his wife again?

I really don't know but either way, I don't get the feeling Carlos means us any good.

[fathernson]

I think you're lying, not because you claim to have roleblocked me, but because the reasons you gave for trying to roleblock Jane Doe are ridiculous. Jackofhearts2005 stated much the same thing.

You and I just have a different perspective on that. The write-up from the previous night shows that Freeze SAW someone different than who he targeted. He could easily have thought that he was misdirected. He might have tried someone else.

[St-Dumas]

Can I double vote for FNS?

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I knew without a doubt that Carlos was an inmate, we would be so much better off. :(

[Iron Ham]

Just getting caught up...

Vote: FnS

[Rokk_Krinn]

Can I double vote for FNS?

Two-Face? Darn. There goes my feeling that Two-Face was abstaining as he had to be swayed. :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

If I knew without a doubt that Carlos was an inmate, we would be so much better off. :(

Yeah...until he pulls the same stunt tomorrow. :tired:

[Thawmus]

Or, as Magnito was discussing earlier, Holiday as he certainly doesn't seem to bear the Inmates any good wishes (or he could be a Calendar Man that got recruited over to Black Hand...I honestly don't know)?

He doesn't seem to like us at all, actually.

He seems to be intent to break Prometheus' helmet on Tuesday.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You and I just have a different perspective on that. The write-up from the previous night shows that Freeze SAW someone different than who he targeted. He could easily have thought that he was misdirected. He might have tried someone else.
Wrong. Freeze got Jane on the first night. She slipped and dropped her knife.

Then, Freeze got a person in black, presumably Rokk.
Meanwhile, Jane skinned a man, DocDoom.

Then, we asked Freeze to target the person he did on the first night.
He did, and he froze a man (Jane wearing Doom's skin).

This stopped her from killing anyone. He's been targetting her every night since. Jane is not a threat as long as Freeze is alive. We can afford to take out all the Bats and then Freeze can roleclaim and we can take out Jane.

[fathernson]

Oh, I guess it sounds like a good plan when you lay it all out ..... Thanks.

[St-Dumas]

It's a sound plan.

Why again hasn't FNS been lynched?

[TMNT99]

some lawyer is covering for him

Maybe the newly converted two face has written a defense for his one of his new teammates, the GK.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Monday's child wears a false face.
Tuesday's child should have his helm broke by my mace.
Wednesday's child must always lie to try to bring us all woe.
Thursday's child sends his own out through places high and low.
Friday's child is to be frozen until I eat her for Thanksgiving.
Saturday's child will try to kill us all for a living,
But the child who is born on the Sabbath Day
Is the one to watch for he is dark and good and will leave us all praying for the day.

I hate children.

(Before anyone asks if I'm riddling again, no...this is what I was given upon choosing Carlos)
Holy ####, you're right!

Those are us!

Monday is Clayface
Tuesday is Promethius
Wednesday...I don't know
Thursday is Ratcatcher
Friday is Jane
Saturday...Joker?
Sunday is the Batman

[Jackofhearts2005]

some lawyer is covering for him

Maybe the newly converted two face has written a defense for his one of his new teammates, the GK.
Makes sense. This confirms that FnS is a knight.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Which almost cinches that Fathernson is a GK. I would think it odd to have a lawyer ability that outs your teammate (might be keeping in character with Harvey's nature though on second thought).

[Thawmus]

Holy ####, you're right!

Those are us!

Monday is Clayface
Tuesday is Promethius
Wednesday...I don't know
Thursday is Ratcatcher
Friday is Jane
Saturday...Joker?
Sunday is the Batman

Saturday is the world's foremost assassin, Jackassterson.

[Jackofhearts2005]

####. Carlos doesn't actually have restrictions on when he can kill, does he?

That means if we lynch FnS today, we might not have a chance to get Carlos before he kills one of us. :(

[Thawmus]

by all means, don't let me hold up the show, sorry....


Vote change: Fathernson

[Rokk_Krinn]

Holy ####, you're right!

Those are us!

Monday is Clayface
Tuesday is Promethius
Wednesday...I don't know
Thursday is Ratcatcher
Friday is Jane
Saturday...Joker?
Sunday is the Batman

I was actually debating if Tuesday is Prometheus or Freeze (I was tending towards Freeze as Prometheus fit for Saturday but when you point out that two characters are already dead that means it's not restricted to those of us still alive).

Maybe that's Carlos' "goal list"?

[Doombot 3.1]

Saturday is the world's foremost assassin, Jackassterson.

I had been giving Jack the benefit of the doubt. But Rokk's rhyme says he'll try to kill us all for a living. Which doesn't sound very nice. Should we be worried about him?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Saturday is the world's foremost assassin, Jackassterson.
Which might make Jackassterson against us, if he's trying to kill us all for a living.

That, or its just saying he is an assassin.

[Thawmus]

####. Carlos doesn't actually have restrictions on when he can kill, does he?

That means if we lynch FnS today, we might not have a chance to get Carlos before he kills one of us. :(

Unfortunately, yes.

On the other hand, he's less dangerous as one person, than 3 people.

We need to whittle down their numbers, fast.

[Thawmus]

Which might make Jackassterson against us, if he's trying to kill us all for a living.

That, or its just saying he is an assassin.

I think it's just saying he's an assassin.

I don't think Rokk really gets to duplicate people's powers. Just come damn close.

Jack would be killing people if he had to.

[Jackofhearts2005]

True.

Lets get Fathernson.
Any vigilantes we might have left...get Carlos at night.
Nobody target Batfink.

[TMNT99]

I think we just need a few more people to vote FnS and we can be done for the day..

Who changed their vote? Wanna change it back?

[fathernson]

Saturday is the world's foremost assassin, Jackassterson.

I agree. -filler-

[JacinB]

Day Five has ended.
As they had with the Bat yesterday, the Inmates chose a target based upon the word of one they thought they could trust. And, despite his claim to be Dr. Jonathan Crane (no relation to Frasier or Niles), the Inmates would not relent and their fear and paranoia got the better of someone familiar with using it as a tool ...

fathernson is dead. He was Robin, a Teen Titan and a Gotham Knight ... or, so you might think. ;)

Night Five begins now. Get me your PMs, and we'll let the potential carnage and mayhem of yet another 'holiday' begin ...

It's entirely possible that I am, at least partially, just messing with your heads at this point. But, being that you are the ones in a nut house, 'messing with your heads' should be something you would expect ... :noid:

[Iron Ham]

I don't know who Wednesday's child is...

I know we have:

Cluemaster (me)
Calender Man/Holiday (Carlos)
Robin
Nightwing
Mr. Freeze
an Assassin (Jack)
Jane Doe
Prometheus (Batfink)
Ratcatcher

Does anyone else think Jack fits the Saturday one?

[fathernson]

####. Carlos doesn't actually have restrictions on when he can kill, does he?

That means if we lynch FnS today, we might not have a chance to get Carlos before he kills one of us. :(

There's a good point!

[JacinB]

Night Five has ended.
Last night, Mr. Freeze once again put a cold-blooded murderer on ice (you know, so to speak :cheeky:), but he was unable to stop the carnage that would erupt elsewhere ...

Three ...
nights ago, a man named Joseph Rigger, aka the Firebug, built a bomb. When the Red Hood killed him, he took Firebug’s bomb.

Two …
days ago, the Inmates of Arkham were stunned when one man, promising that he could kill someone to insure the Inmates safety, killed the Red Hood. However, in doing so, he left the bomb unaccounted for.

One ...
night ago, another Inmate found the bomb, fixed it, and gave it to a friend to help protect him.

Last night, that man set the bomb up in his room. But, as he wasn’t the explosives expert that Firebug was, he didn’t set the directional charge up correctly. And, when the blast went off, killing everyone who’d come into his cell last night, he was caught up in the blast, too.

*BOOM!*

batfink is dead. He was Prometheus, the Inmates’ best chance of determining who was who and what was what in this crazy place.
Doombot 3.1 is dead. He was the Crime Doctor, a man who enjoyed torturing those around him, but whose medical knowledge had helped protect his fellow Inmates.
m_a_caque is dead. He was Batgirl, one of the Gotham Knights.

Day Six begins now ... with three more players gone, you now need only 7 votes for a majority.

[TMNT99]

Man, I knew m_a_que was dirty!

Guys had it out for me with no reason since the day 2.

[TMNT99]

I think Rez is no good as well!

[TMNT99]

Current List:

JackAssterson
Iron Ham
Thawmus
JackofHearts2005
CarlosMucha
ReZourceman
Rokk_Krinn
TMNT99
Magnito
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid

[TMNT99]

Current List:

JackAssterson (Deadly assasin?)
Iron Ham
Thawmus (Harley)
JackofHearts2005
CarlosMucha (Holiday)
ReZourceman
Rokk_Krinn
TMNT99
Magnito
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid

We know we have Nightwing, Mr. Freeze, And Two-Face at least out there.

Iron Ham claims to be Cluemaster, however, how knows for sure.

Rokk I think we've cleared.

People know what my name is.. or at least it's been mentioned.

[scehaono]

i got here too late before the last day phase to answer this rokk, but no, i am not jane doe

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well...that plan kinda worked.

[TMNT99]

Remember when people wanted to kill Carlos...

At one point the voting list against him was:

Iron Ham, fathernson, m_a_caque, batfink, charlesx

3 Knights.. Prometheus (might have been indy) and Iron Ham....?

[Thawmus]

JackAssterson - inmate
Iron Ham - inmate
Thawmus - Independent- inmate aligned
JackofHearts2005 - inmate
CarlosMucha - inmate
ReZourceman
Rokk_Krinn - inmate
TMNT99
Magnito - inmate
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid


Those are the ones I'm pretty sure about.

So that means we have a barrel to shoot in, and just hope we get a fish.

[Rokk_Krinn]

That's okay...I'm more curious about why JoH and batfink were planning on blowing us all up.

[Thawmus]

Remember when people wanted to kill Carlos...

At one point the voting list against him was:

Iron Ham, fathernson, m_a_caque, batfink, charlesx

3 Knights.. Prometheus (might have been indy) and Iron Ham....?

I voted against him at one point as well.

[Thawmus]

Let's see if we can get ReZ to at least talk to us.

Vote: Rezourceman

Of course, if anyone has any info, that'd be super awesome.

[CarlosMucha]

JackAssterson - inmate
Iron Ham - inmate
Thawmus - Independent- inmate aligned
JackofHearts2005 - inmate
CarlosMucha - inmate
ReZourceman
Rokk_Krinn - inmate
TMNT99
Magnito - inmate
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid


Those are the ones I'm pretty sure about.

So that means we have a barrel to shoot in, and just hope we get a fish.

we are doing good. if we keep in this way we will stand great!

[TMNT99]

JackAssterson - inmate (not sure why we assume the deadly assasin is inmate aligned?)
Iron Ham - inmate (not sure, he's powers seems soo awful, it'd be a great cover for a Knight)
Thawmus - Independent- inmate aligned
JackofHearts2005 - inmate (I'll give you this one, but ya neve know)
CarlosMucha - inmate
ReZourceman - (very fishy)
Rokk_Krinn - inmate
TMNT99 (people have figured out who I am, but they haven't connected the inmate to me specifically)
Magnito - inmate (he acts innocent enough)
scehaono
St-Dumas
theanalogkid


Those are the ones I'm pretty sure about.

So that means we have a barrel to shoot in, and just hope we get a fish.[/QUOTE]

[Jackofhearts2005]

I said "Nobody target Batfink" for a reason.

I figured the knights couldn't ignore him and Batfink had a 50 % chance of surviving and a 100 % chance of killing whoever came after him.

Without the bomb, he'd have a 0 % chance of surviving and a 0 % chance of killing a Knight.

I'm really not sure why one of our information gatherers decided to check up on someone we knew was telling the truth, after he had been warned not to.

Also, we still have two knights. :ermm:

[CarlosMucha]

That's okay...I'm more curious about why JoH and batfink were planning on blowing us all up.


how you know it was JoH if I can know.

[Thawmus]

On second thought, I think we discovered yesterday that Carlos wants to kill us all, didn't we?


Vote: CarlosMucha

[TMNT99]

Let's see if we can get ReZ to at least talk to us.

Vote: Rezourceman

Of course, if anyone has any info, that'd be super awesome.

Vote: Rezourceman

agreed.

[Rokk_Krinn]

how you know it was JoH if I can know.

Because JoH's characters plays with junk and yesterday he was plotting something with batfink and waiting for PM's from JacinB. It just seems to point at him.

That being the case, we all pretty much decided yesterday that you weren't going to have the best intentions towards us today (it's a day of significance, after all) and, frankly, before that nonsense starts again, I'd like to just nip it in the bud.

You may be Holiday. You may be Calendar Man. Either way, you're a nightmare for us.

Lynch Vote: CarlosMucha

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm wondering why Carlos hasn't killed anyone yet.

[scehaono]

vote: lynch carlosmucha

[JackAssterson]

JackAssterson - inmate (not sure why we assume the deadly assasin is inmate aligned?)


JackA is an Inmate.


batfink is dead. He was Prometheus, the Inmates’ best chance of determining who was who and what was what in this crazy place.


................................

[scehaono]

I'm wondering why Carlos hasn't killed anyone yet.

maybe he needs to wait for a certain time again (like 10pm).

[CarlosMucha]

Ok guys, thanks to the Jacin list about me I'm sure of something:

Sinse I know what I'm with the inmates side and I don't have any other win condition than win as a inmate and with the inmates I discover this:

that is the list of the Mafia what we still have on the game. take a look:

Two Face: Monday's child wears a false face. (Monday is the day 2 of the week)
Prometrous: Tuesday's child should have his helm broke by my mace. I think he is in the other mafia.
Wednesday's child must always lie to try to bring us all woe.
Thursday's child sends his own out through places high and low.
Jane Friday's child is to be frozen until I eat her for Thanksgiving.
Deathstroke/Deadshot/Rass?: Saturday's child will try to kill us all for a living,
Nigthwind But the child who is born on the Sabbath Day Is the one to watch for he is dark and good and will leave us all praying for the day.

for what I see the more dangerous may be Deathstroke. and we still have 2 Knights out there.

and NO. I can't kill anybody. I'm unharmed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And I swear, I was only trying to protect Batfink.

They knew he was the cop. They knew we don't have a protector anymore. That was the only way to give Promethius a chance of not waking up behind bars.

[CarlosMucha]

I'm wondering why Carlos hasn't killed anyone yet.


because I don't have that power. I'm a inmate in the inmate side.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I'm wondering why Carlos hasn't killed anyone yet.

Maybe he has a deadline of when he can do it (such as the first day he had to wait a bit).

Folks, look at Carlos' avatar.

[CarlosMucha]

Maybe he has a deadline of when he can do it (such as the first day he had to wait a bit).

Folks, look at Carlos' avatar.


my avatar are our enemys. that is what I figure out with the "childrens" Jacin write out about me.

first I kill someone for everybody. the Red hood who was killed 2 of us.
afther that I give you fathernson because I feel what he was our enemy. I was right.

and now you want me dead?

[Rokk_Krinn]

And I swear, I was only trying to protect Batfink.

They knew he was the cop. They knew we don't have a protector anymore. That was the only way to give Promethius a chance of not waking up behind bars.

We did have a protector remaining though from the look of things (even if he had tortured Harley the first night); re-read what it said about the Crime Doctor (who apparently was keeping tabs on batfink last night).

[TMNT99]

I've got to go to work for a while, I stand by my vote for Rez at this time.

Not sure why you guys would want Carlos gone, a known inmate when we know for sure we have two Knights out there (Nightwing, two-face)

For my own defense, I'd like to note that there were two voices who have mentioned lynching me.

Faternson and M_a_que.. both Knights.

I think that should be enough to let me and my little guys continue doing our work.

As for Rez, the few pieces of info I've gotten was that one night Rokk targeted Rez (night 3 I believe) but the write up indicated I might not have seen Rokk target him, but someone else.

This makes me think Rez is the mystery person Freeze keeps putting on ice, or Harvey Dent, being targeted for recrutiment.

[CarlosMucha]

why the people say what I have no love for the inmates??

Come on. Jacin is messing with our heads sinse day one. I CAN'T KILL ANYMORE.

Jacin love create paranoia and he wants all of us killing each other and mess with our heads. he admit that in his post!

in day one he do the same with Vicius and for that Vicius is dead now, you will do the same with me?

fathernson want me dead all the time. that don't meant what I'm clean now what everybody know who he was??

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok guys, thanks to the Jacin list about me I'm sure of something:

Sinse I know what I'm with the inmates side and I don't have any other win condition than win as a inmate and with the inmates I discover this:

that is the list of the Mafia what we still have on the game. take a look:

Two Face: Monday's child wears a false face. (Monday is the day 2 of the week)
Prometrous: Tuesday's child should have his helm broke by my mace. I think he is in the other mafia.
Wednesday's child must always lie to try to bring us all woe.
Thursday's child sends his own out through places high and low.
Jane Friday's child is to be frozen until I eat her for Thanksgiving.
Deathstroke/Deadshot/Rass?: Saturday's child will try to kill us all for a living,
Nigthwind But the child who is born on the Sabbath Day Is the one to watch for he is dark and good and will leave us all praying for the day.

for what I see the more dangerous may be Deathstroke. and we still have 2 Knights out there.

and NO. I can't kill anybody. I'm unharmed.
I don't believe that. For one, most of those people should be inmates. In fact, the only mafia person I see is Batman, who is already dead.

Also, I don't believe that Jacin would make it so you could only kill on one holiday a month. Since this game will only last two months, he'd let you kill on all holidays. (Except you didn't kill anyone on grandparents day)

I also don't believe Carlos has a time limit. The timelimit was him playing in character. I remember reading the Long Halloween, and there was evidence that Holiday might have been Harvey Dent. Carlos was trying to hint that he was Two-Face.

OR Carlos is Two-Face, which would explain why he wanted the knights to target him. He was raving as such before he killed TB.

Still, if Carlos can kill today and hasn't shot one of us yet, he might not really be a serial killer. Rokk's powers have been "off" before.

[theanalogkid]

Lynch vote: CarlosMucha.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We did have a protector remaining though from the look of things (even if he had tortured Harley the first night); re-read what it said about the Crime Doctor (who apparently was keeping tabs on batfink last night).
Crime Doctor wasn't a protector.

He was an information gatherer.

We met up on night 2.

[CarlosMucha]

I've got to go to work for a while, I stand by my vote for Rez at this time.

Not sure why you guys would want Carlos gone, a known inmate when we know for sure we have two Knights out there (Nightwing, two-face)

For my own defense, I'd like to note that there were two voices who have mentioned lynching me.

Faternson and M_a_que.. both Knights.

I think that should be enough to let me and my little guys continue doing our work.

As for Rez, the few pieces of info I've gotten was that one night Rokk targeted Rez (night 3 I believe) but the write up indicated I might not have seen Rokk target him, but someone else.

This makes me think Rez is the mystery person Freeze keeps putting on ice, or Harvey Dent, being targeted for recrutiment.

that is what I say. there is far more dagelurs people out there, but even without that nobody have ANYTHING to say about me as against the inmates.

people will regreat killing me. somebody have to have something what prove what I'm witht he inmates.

[Rokk_Krinn]

fathernson want me dead all the time. that don't meant what I'm clean now what everybody know who he was??

No. Just because a Knight wanted you dead it doesn't mean you're an Inmate.

Just ask Black Mask or Jane Doe.

I'm thinking ReZ has a reason he hasn't been able to even vote; I would have thought if he was Two-Face he'd be freed up by now (though he could be playing it "smart" and remaining quiet). There are a few folks that haven't spoken much that I find just as suspicious as ReZ (and, no, I don't have any information on ReZ).

[CarlosMucha]

I don't believe that. For one, most of those people should be inmates. In fact, the only mafia person I see is Batman, who is already dead.

Also, I don't believe that Jacin would make it so you could only kill on one holiday a month. Since this game will only last two months, he'd let you kill on all holidays. (Except you didn't kill anyone on grandparents day)

I also don't believe Carlos has a time limit. The timelimit was him playing in character. I remember reading the Long Halloween, and there was evidence that Holiday might have been Harvey Dent. Carlos was trying to hint that he was Two-Face.

OR Carlos is Two-Face, which would explain why he wanted the knights to target him. He was raving as such before he killed TB.

Still, if Carlos can kill today and hasn't shot one of us yet, he might not really be a serial killer. Rokk's powers have been "off" before.

I'm not Holiday, I'm not 2 Face and I'm not agianst the inmates.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Crime Doctor wasn't a protector.

He was an information gatherer.

We met up on night 2.
Oh ####. You're right, he was also a protector. Thats a bigger loss than I thought. :(

Still, a doctor can't keep you from getting arrested can he?

That was Doom's job.

[CarlosMucha]

No. Just because a Knight wanted you dead it doesn't mean you're an Inmate.

Just ask Black Mask or Jane Doe.

I'm thinking ReZ has a reason he hasn't been able to even vote; I would have thought if he was Two-Face he'd be freed up by now (though he could be playing it "smart" and remaining quiet). There are a few folks that haven't spoken much that I find just as suspicious as ReZ (and, no, I don't have any information on ReZ).


then how I can prove what I'm in the imates side???

[TMNT99]

Also, I don't believe that Jacin would make it so you could only kill on one holiday a month. Since this game will only last two months, he'd let you kill on all holidays. (Except you didn't kill anyone on grandparents day)


Holiday only killed one holiday a month in the comics.

[CarlosMucha]

Holiday only killed one holiday a month in the comics.


I'm not Holiday. I already say who I'm one Day.

[Rokk_Krinn]

My powers have been off before - though yesterday was a "clue" so I knew who to copy come night if I wished (and, interestingly, I learned that the same person doesn't always give me the same power each time) - I admit which is why I'm willing to listen to reason on Carlos.

Vote Change: No Vote for Now

[TMNT99]

No. Just because a Knight wanted you dead it doesn't mean you're an Inmate.

Just ask Black Mask or Jane Doe.

I'm thinking ReZ has a reason he hasn't been able to even vote; I would have thought if he was Two-Face he'd be freed up by now (though he could be playing it "smart" and remaining quiet). There are a few folks that haven't spoken much that I find just as suspicious as ReZ (and, no, I don't have any information on ReZ).

Maybe you can't vote when you're frozen.

[TMNT99]

I'm not Holiday. I already say who I'm one Day.

Calendar Man?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Holiday only killed one holiday a month in the comics.

Which goes further to say Carlos is Holiday if he could only use Labor Day. Calendar Man wasn't restricted to just once a month or even holidays.

[CarlosMucha]

My powers have been off before - though yesterday was a "clue" so I knew who to copy come night if I wished (and, interestingly, I learned that the same person doesn't always give me the same power each time) - I admit which is why I'm willing to listen to reason on Carlos.

Vote Change: No Vote for Now


wow. thanks.

I'm open to answer any question if you have a single doub about me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Maybe you can't vote when you're frozen.
That's a possibility.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Oh ####. You're right, he was also a protector. Thats a bigger loss than I thought. :(

Still, a doctor can't keep you from getting arrested can he?

That was Doom's job.

Depends on the game; "arrested" is just another way of saying "killed" here, so, yeah, he should have been able to prevent an arrest (meaning Batgirl would have flubbed her arrest last night).

[CarlosMucha]

Calendar Man?

I don't like to reveal myself but is obvius, YES.

[JackAssterson]

I'm open to answer any question if you have a single doub about me.

Any reason you have two confirmed Inmates on your list of Mafia?

Just curious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Depends on the game; "arrested" is just another way of saying "killed" here, so, yeah, he should have been able to prevent an arrest (meaning Batgirl would have flubbed her arrest last night).
Well, I say that because Harley could prevent Joker from being killed, but not from being arrested.

[Jackofhearts2005]

On Carlos: If he doesn't kill anyone today, I won't look twice at him unless we make it to Halloween.

*shrugs*

[CarlosMucha]

Which goes further to say Carlos is Holiday if he could only use Labor Day. Calendar Man wasn't restricted to just once a month or even holidays.


but it was just a one time deal. I ask to Jacin if he ive me another dead today (to help to have 2 killed on the day phase) and he don't answer my PM. soo it was a one time deal.

[JackAssterson]

I don't like to reveal myself but is obvius, YES.

Calendar Man doesn't kill. It's a specific point of the Long halloween. "calendars coinciding with the calendar...but those crimes have never included murder"

Only one guy commits murders that go with the calendar:

Holiday.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Regarding freezing being a way of stopping someone from voting - no, that's not the case as I know who Jane Doe is and he's still speaking. I won't say any more out of respect for Freeze's identity.

[CarlosMucha]

Any reason you have two confirmed Inmates on your list of Mafia?

Just curious.


what? what do you meant?

(and btw sinse yesterday I think you may be Deathstroke hide it by Black Mask, sorry)

[CarlosMucha]

Calendar Man doesn't kill. It's a specific point of the Long halloween. "calendars coinciding with the calendar...but those crimes have never included murder"

Only one guy commits murders that go with the calendar:

Holiday.


I know that. for that sinse the begining I know what we will have for more dangeous people than me.

I don't know why Jacin give me that power. but I'm him, not Holiday.

[JackAssterson]

what? what do you meant?


What do you think I mean? Prometheus is an INMATE, Carlos. It is right there in the writeup. Prometheus. Inmate. Guy who can clear people. Yet you still have him in your Mafia list.

I am also an Inmate, and have been cleared by Prometheus, yet I'm in your list too. (whether or not the character you chose is accurate I ain't saying).

[CarlosMucha]

Regarding freezing being a way of stopping someone from voting - no, that's not the case as I know who Jane Doe is and he's still speaking. I won't say any more out of respect for Freeze's identity.


but will be not good kill Jane if you know who is she? or we need to kill the Knights before?

[CarlosMucha]

what? what do you meant?

(and btw sinse yesterday I think you may be Deathstroke hide it by Black Mask, sorry)


I meant Hire not "hide" by Black Mask.

[scehaono]

freeze has jane doe locked up tighter than an everlast held miriam's virginity
we need the knights first

[Magnito]

Calendar Man doesn't kill. It's a specific point of the Long halloween. "calendars coinciding with the calendar...but those crimes have never included murder"

Only one guy commits murders that go with the calendar:

Holiday.
But holiday only kills once a month. If he is Holiday, he shouldn't kill until Halloween.
If he is Calender Man, he can kill at other days, but then is also an inmate.

My money is still on C man

[Jackofhearts2005]

13 players remain
theanalogkid
Rokk_Krinn - Inmate
Jackofhearts2005 - Junkyard Dog (if you haven't figured it out by now :rolleyes:)
scehaono
ReZourceman
CarlosMucha - Holiday
Magnito
JackAssterson - Deathstroke
Thawmus - Harley
St-Dumas
TMNT99 - Inmate
Iron Ham - Cluemaster

This is the list of identities I'm fairly certain of.

In so much as I'm sure Rokk and TMNT aren't GKs, I'm also sure they aren't Freeze or Jane.

This leaves 5 suspicious people. One of them is Freeze. Two of them are Nightwing and Two-Face.

[Magnito]

I'm voting lynch ReZ

[Jackofhearts2005]

But holiday only kills once a month. If he is Holiday, he shouldn't kill until Halloween.
If he is Calender Man, he can kill at other days, but then is also an inmate.

My money is still on C man
If he was Calender Man, he wouldn't kill at all.

My money is on Holiday.

[CarlosMucha]

What do you think I mean? Prometheus is an INMATE, Carlos. It is right there in the writeup. Prometheus. Inmate. Guy who can clear people. Yet you still have him in your Mafia list.

I am also an Inmate, and have been cleared by Prometheus, yet I'm in your list too. (whether or not the character you chose is accurate I ain't saying).

he was not a independent? I never see him as a inmate. you may be right but when I read the Jacin clue about me he list my enemys (who are all the inmates enemys) and I was thinking it was him one of them. but I may be wrong.

[JackAssterson]

But holiday only kills once a month. If he is Holiday, he shouldn't kill until Halloween.
If he is Calender Man, he can kill at other days, but then is also an inmate.


Speculation: Unless that's been changed for the purposes of this game. The Long Halloween was a 12 month mini-series, so it could afford to be sparse in the killings. This game isn't going to go nearly as long, so I wouldn't be surprised if the power got "spruced up".

[CarlosMucha]

But holiday only kills once a month. If he is Holiday, he shouldn't kill until Halloween.
If he is Calender Man, he can kill at other days, but then is also an inmate.

My money is still on C man


thanks my friend.

I have no reason to lie about be Holiday or Calendar Man. I'm Day, not Holiday.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Actually, JackA did batfink use his power on you to clear you as an Inmate or was he just saying that based upon what was being bandied about the board?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I say Rokk tells us who Jane is.

After we kill Jane, we should have 4 suspicious people and our roleblocker should be free.

We pick one of them each for IH and TMNT to investigate. Freeze roleblocks the other one. Anyone else with a tracking power that we might not know about, target the 4th.

Decent plan? :nervous:

[Magnito]

13 players remain
theanalogkid
Rokk_Krinn - Inmate
Jackofhearts2005 - Junkyard Dog (if you haven't figured it out by now :rolleyes:)
scehaono
ReZourceman
CarlosMucha - Holiday
Magnito
JackAssterson - Deathstroke
Thawmus - Harley
St-Dumas
TMNT99 - Inmate
Iron Ham - Cluemaster

This is the list of identities I'm fairly certain of.

In so much as I'm sure Rokk and TMNT aren't GKs, I'm also sure they aren't Freeze or Jane.

This leaves 5 suspicious people. One of them is Freeze. Two of them are Nightwing and Two-Face.
You think I'm a suspect? I supplied evidence against Batman!

[Rokk_Krinn]

And I still want to know why JoH was plotting to blow us up. :devious: :cheeky:

I mean, a bomb to take out the Asylum seems an odd way to protect batfink. :grin:

[CarlosMucha]

Actually, JackA did batfink use his power on you to clear you as an Inmate or was he just saying that based upon what was being bandied about the board?


about me? I don't know.

I just want to know if Rez don't talk because he is new or he don't talk because he is one of our enemys.

(and no, I'm not taking away the question)

[Rokk_Krinn]

You think I'm a suspect? I supplied evidence against Batman!

Only after it was pretty positive that the Batman was getting lynched.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And I still want to know why JoH was plotting to blow us up. :devious: :cheeky:

I mean, a bomb to take out the Asylum seems an odd way to protect batfink. :grin:
Hardy har har.

If it was big enough to kill us all, we'd be dead already.

[CarlosMucha]

And I still want to know why JoH was plotting to blow us up. :devious: :cheeky:

I mean, a bomb to take out the Asylum seems an odd way to protect batfink. :grin:


I think we need to take somebody out for sure.

people was thinking about JackAssterson as a enemy. why was that?

(because I have the feeling about he as our enemy and come on! I was right with Robin!)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think we need to take somebody out for sure.

people was thinking about JackAssterson as a enemy. why was that?

(because I have the feeling about he as our enemy and come on! I was right with Robin!)
Flat out no.

We know Jack is an inmate. Sure, he might have been recruited by the Black Mask (just like everyone else, here), but at this point, a two person mafia that can't kill at night and might have disbanned isn't exactly my primary concern when we have a person who skinned one of us and two people that are trying to arrest us.

[JackAssterson]

Actually, JackA did batfink use his power on you to clear you as an Inmate or was he just saying that based upon what was being bandied about the board?

Since I've been outed, Jack Assterson is an inmate.

That's what he said.

I think we need to take somebody out for sure.

people was thinking about JackAssterson as a enemy. why was that?

(because I have the feeling about he as our enemy and come on! I was right with Robin!)

All right, that's it.

Vote: CarlosMucha

[Jackofhearts2005]

You think I'm a suspect? I supplied evidence against Batman!
I find you least suspicious of the ones I don't know much about, if'n it makes you feel better. :grin:

[Jackofhearts2005]

We don't need to kill Carlos either!

He may not be very helpful at this point, but unless he kills somebody today, all he is is an inmate vote.

Theres no way he is TwoFace, based on Rokk's clue.
If Carlos is bad, by necessity, Rokk is pulling our collective legs, which I don't think is the case.

[Thawmus]

I think we need to take somebody out for sure.

people was thinking about JackAssterson as a enemy. why was that?

(because I have the feeling about he as our enemy and come on! I was right with Robin!)

You were NOT right with Robin.

You had NOTHING on him.

And your stated logic and reasoning was seriously flawed. And as a result, he nearly got out of our grasp, because your attempt to implicate him was so seriously messed up.

Your logic and reasoning is still seriously flawed.

Vote change: Rezourceman

Get it done.

[JacinB]

Vote tally:
CarlosMucha (3): scehaono, theanalogkid, JackAssterson

ReZourceman (3): TMNT99, Magnito, Thawmus

[CarlosMucha]

Flat out no.

We know Jack is an inmate. Sure, he might have been recruited by the Black Mask (just like everyone else, here), but at this point, a two person mafia that can't kill at night and might have disbanned isn't exactly my primary concern when we have a person who skinned one of us and two people that are trying to arrest us.

ok, then...

please change your vote about me people. you will regreat when you see what I was in the inmates side if you kill me.

Jacin want we kill each other. he admit that! he is messing with us!

and I want Rez to speak.

Vote Lynch: ReZourceman

[scehaono]

it's 3 and 3, thawmus just switched to rez

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm going to class.

Try not to lynch an inmate while I'm gone, pretty please?

[CarlosMucha]

We don't need to kill Carlos either!

He may not be very helpful at this point, but unless he kills somebody today, all he is is an inmate vote.

Theres no way he is TwoFace, based on Rokk's clue.
If Carlos is bad, by necessity, Rokk is pulling our collective legs, which I don't think is the case.


thanks for that.

[CarlosMucha]

I'm going to class.

Try not to lynch an inmate while I'm gone, pretty please?


lol. Ok.

can you vote for Rez before go?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Not to derail things but being JoH asked us to wait I figure we have time to discuss things (though the last time JoH asked us to do something, it was so he and batfink could plant a bomb that removed our doctor :p). Do we think that the reason there was no arrest last night was because Batgirl was killed by the bomb or because with Batman and Robin gone, the Knights have lost their arrest capability (as traditionally after the Don is removed there's only one other character capable of making arrests)?

[JackAssterson]

I think it's because Batgirl got waxed. I'm assuming that they get a new Don each time we take one out -- it doesn't always work that way, but it seems the fairest to the Mafia. They don't have all that many people to lose, and arrests are their primary weapon.

[scehaono]

i'm curious, are we sure that there are 2 more GK's? i mean, 6 in total seems a bit much out of 29 to start

[CarlosMucha]

Not to derail things but being JoH asked us to wait I figure we have time to discuss things (though the last time JoH asked us to do something, it was so he and batfink could plant a bomb that removed our doctor :p). Do we think that the reason there was no arrest last night was because Batgirl was killed by the bomb or because with Batman and Robin gone, the Knights have lost their arrest capability (as traditionally after the Don is removed there's only one other character capable of making arrests)?


I think what Batgirl can't have the power of arrest.

if the Batman power go to somebody else that must be Nightwing.

soo what Batgirl was trying to do last night and why Nightwing is not arresing people?

they have to have a arrest power, if not how they will ty to take us out?

[JackAssterson]

i'm curious, are we sure that there are 2 more GK's? i mean, 6 in total seems a bit much out of 29 to start

The ongoing theory is Harvey got recruited into the GK. So it would be two-Face and Nightwing left.

[JackAssterson]

I think what Batgirl can't have the power of arrest.

if the Batman power go to somebody else that must be Nightwing.

soo what Batgirl was trying to do last night and why Nightwing is not arresing people?

they have to have a arrest power, if not how they will ty to take us out?

That's false reasoning. The Don position can go to any member of the Mafia.

[scehaono]

right, completely forgot about that part (i was thinking of dent being a good guy, rather than a gk)

[CarlosMucha]

i'm curious, are we sure that there are 2 more GK's? i mean, 6 in total seems a bit much out of 29 to start


no if we don't have a second Mafia. 6 or more can be the right number with only one faction Mafia.

[CarlosMucha]

That's false reasoning. The Don position can go to any member of the Mafia.


oh. ok. I did not know that.

[Thawmus]

Guys, seriously....

Barrel. Fish. Shoot.

We're acting like there's a whole bunch of them, and if we're wrong, we're all dead.

The odds are severely stacked against them at this point.

Vote ReZ.

At best, we'll nab another GK.

At worst, we narrow down our suspects to two other people.

There's only three people I even suspect anymore of being GKs anymore:

St. Dumas
theanalogkid
Rezourceman

[scehaono]

change vote: rez

works for me

[scehaono]

wait, i thought we were waiting in rokk to get his daily list to get some more info

[CarlosMucha]

wait, i thought we were waiting in rokk to get his daily list to get some more info


I was thiking about that.

Rokk. you will target somebody today??

[Thawmus]

wait, i thought we were waiting in rokk to get his daily list to get some more info

That's a good point. I think we're only up to 5 votes so far, so we'll see if he gets any of those three people on his list.

[Thawmus]

Just in case someone gets vote happy.....

Vote Change: Nobody

[Rokk_Krinn]

I don't have my list yet. I've got twenty minutes to go (time of reception and required response seems to be "shortening" as the phases shorten).

(Sorry for not being able to answer that sooner; tied up with RL matters)

[Rokk_Krinn]

I think it's because Batgirl got waxed. I'm assuming that they get a new Don each time we take one out -- it doesn't always work that way, but it seems the fairest to the Mafia. They don't have all that many people to lose, and arrests are their primary weapon.

It would seem the fairest, but I know the times I've ended up Mafia in Peers' games, there was only one person who could take over the Mafia once the Don was removed (and it's a rule I kept for my game). Not sure if Jacin is doing it that way or not. Not saying we should rest on our laurels, it was more idle speculation while we waited for JoH.

Btw, JackA - you never did say if you knew for certain if batfink had targeted you or if he was just reminding people that you were supposedly Inmate based off of Thawmus vouching for you. Not trying to throw heat on you but, rather, get an idea of who else may have been targeted - and passed - batfink's litmus test.

[St-Dumas]

I'll follow the crowd and say vote: ReZourceman.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I'll follow the crowd and say vote: ReZourceman.

Let's back up on this a second. We just had a call from multiple people to slow things down (and even a few "hold votes"). Dumas just acted as if he's trying to shut things down (a ReZ bandwagon vote or a way to protect himself from being questioned?). I'm 99% certain that Dumas is a threat to us, though I'm not sure what allegiance, otherwise I wouldn't be so bothered by his doing that just now.

[Thawmus]

Btw, JackA - you never did say if you knew for certain if batfink had targeted you or if he was just reminding people that you were supposedly Inmate based off of Thawmus vouching for you. Not trying to throw heat on you but, rather, get an idea of who else may have been targeted - and passed - batfink's litmus test.

That'd be a terrible mistake that I doubt he'd make, frankly.

Because I have nothing to vouch for him with.

[Thawmus]

Let's back up on this a second. We just had a call from multiple people to slow things down (and even a few "hold votes"). Dumas just acted as if he's trying to shut things down (a ReZ bandwagon vote or a way to protect himself from being questioned?). I'm 99% certain that Dumas is a threat to us, though I'm not sure what allegiance, otherwise I wouldn't be so bothered by his doing that just now.

Yeah, he's done that on every vote, actually.

[JackAssterson]

Btw, JackA - you never did say if you knew for certain if batfink had targeted you or if he was just reminding people that you were supposedly Inmate based off of Thawmus vouching for you.

I posted what he said, and that's what I know for certain. Given the context of the quote, it's pretty clear what he was getting at.

[St-Dumas]

Oh. I didn't realize everyone had pulled their vote, I was just following the crowd.

Change vote: No lynch

[JacinB]

Vote tally:
CarlosMucha (2): theanalogkid, JackAssterson,

ReZourceman (4): TMNT99, Magnito, CarlosMucha, scehaono

No Lynch (2): Rokk_Krinn, St-Dumas

[Rokk_Krinn]

No Lynch (2): Rokk_Krinn, St-Dumas

Did I vote No Lynch or "with-holding lynch vote for now"? Honestly asking because I thought I went with the latter but may have phrased it poorly or not been thinking when I posted. I was just withdrawing my vote from Carlos.

[Thawmus]

Vote change: St. Dumas

If anything, you've cleared Rez.

[theanalogkid]

I don't think he cleared as much as made himself a target.

Change Vote: Lynch St. Dumas.

[Magnito]

Vote change: St. Dumas

If anything, you've cleared Rez.
How do you figure?

[Thawmus]

Out of curiosity, do you guys feel it's safe for Freeze to roleclaim and point out Jane at this point?

I mean, I know we have Jane and two mafia running around, but it would, at the very least, narrow down who the mafia is.



For Mr. Freeze: Don't do it until there's a consensus on this. I don't want to be the guy that made you roleclaim.

[theanalogkid]

Stupid no edit. I agree with Mags.

[scehaono]

i'm with the kid on this, and i think i'll stick to rez for now

[Thawmus]

How do you figure?

He's constantly waiting until a lynching is 1 or 2 votes away from going through, and then voting.

Given that we've narrowed down our suspects considerably, I find it odd that someone would be paying so little attention to what's going on, and try to get the lynch before anyone has a chance to react.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not to derail things but being JoH asked us to wait I figure we have time to discuss things (though the last time JoH asked us to do something, it was so he and batfink could plant a bomb that removed our doctor :p)
Who shouldn't have been in there in the first place. :angry:
I take responsibility for giving Batfink a bomb, but Doombot's death was his own fault.

Do we think that the reason there was no arrest last night was because Batgirl was killed by the bomb or because with Batman and Robin gone, the Knights have lost their arrest capability (as traditionally after the Don is removed there's only one other character capable of making arrests)?
The bomb kills anyone who targets him at night, so I'm pretty sure Batgirl was trying to arrest him.

[CarlosMucha]

Out of curiosity, do you guys feel it's safe for Freeze to roleclaim and point out Jane at this point?

I mean, I know we have Jane and two mafia running around, but it would, at the very least, narrow down who the mafia is.



For Mr. Freeze: Don't do it until there's a consensus on this. I don't want to be the guy that made you roleclaim.


if we have someone to lynch for sure as our enemy. No.

if we don't have something for sure we can take her out and Freeze can do his job with another suspect.

[CarlosMucha]

Who shouldn't have been in there in the first place. :angry:
I take responsibility for giving Batfink a bomb, but Doombot's death was his own fault.

The bomb kills anyone who targets him at night, so I'm pretty sure Batgirl was trying to arrest him.


how do you "give a bomb" you 2 was with the power of PM each other or something?

[Thawmus]

i'm with the kid on this, and i think i'll stick to rez for now

Out of curiosity, are you trying to lynch mafia at this point?

[Magnito]

Wow, Im behind on this.
Anyone elce find it odd that this is the only thing ReZ has said in 149 pages?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think what Batgirl can't have the power of arrest.

if the Batman power go to somebody else that must be Nightwing.

soo what Batgirl was trying to do last night and why Nightwing is not arresing people?

they have to have a arrest power, if not how they will ty to take us out?
For #### sake, Carlos. Do you still not understand the concept of a 'mafia'?

At night, the Don chooses a hitman. Then, the hitman kills a target. Any ONE member of the mafia can kill at night.

In this case, instead of a mafia, we have the Gotham Knights. Instead of the Don, we have Batman (or Nightwing at this point, I suppose). Instead of killing, they arrest. ALL Gotham Knights can arrest somebody.

how do you "give a bomb" you 2 was with the power of PM each other or something?
When I make something, I can use it, keep it, or give it to someone else.

I figured Batfink was shoe in for being arrested, so I gave him the item that could kill people who targeted him. He obviously thought the same thing, since he used it.

[scehaono]

well, it's the second thing he's said, i can't remember what the first was
and thaw, no i am not trying to lynch mafia

[CarlosMucha]

Anyone elce find it odd that this is the only thing ReZ has said in 149 pages?


actually on the first game I was in the same boat. it was just to many pages to read and I was thinking on give up. until I get how to play and I enjoy it. in any case he is not actually "playing" maybe for not interest or something. We don't know in what side is he, but if he is in our side looks like we can't even count with his vote.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So no, I couldn't pm Batfink...unfortunately.

[JacinB]

Vote tally:
ReZourceman (4): TMNT99, Magnito, CarlosMucha, scehaono

St-Dumas (2): theanalogkid, Thawmus

CarlosMucha (1): JackAssterson

No Lynch (1): St-Dumas

[Jackofhearts2005]

Vote: St-Dumas

Voting only at the end and always with the crowd shows that you don't have information and that you do have an interest in either a) killing people or b) clearing your name when a knight is about to be lynched.

That, and I've seen you vote for a knight AFTER he was already lynched.

[Rokk_Krinn]

List received and my choices are (putting them in order of "desirability for targeting" but not saying that's how I'm going to definitely do it as we're trying to work as a team here, I realize):

*TMNT
*Iron Ham
*Thawmus

Only three choices today. Thawmus doesn't strike me as a good way to gain information (though I don't know who things will "manifest"), Iron Ham as Cluemaster seems a good possibility for info-gathering but I put TMNT first as I know next to nothing about him.

[Thawmus]

Here's the answers, folks.


Rez is Jane Doe.

He hasn't been posting, because he's likely burned out of the game already. The only reason for that? He's been roleblocked since the first night.

Therefore, I'd ask that Freeze continue doing what he does best.


In the meantime, it stands to reason that St. Dumas and Theanalogkid are our two mafia members.


Therefore, my vote against St. Dumas stands.


If Rokk gets either of those two people, it'd be swell.

[CarlosMucha]

List received and my choices are (putting them in order of "desirability for targeting" but not saying that's how I'm going to definitely do it as we're trying to work as a team here, I realize):

*TMNT
*Iron Ham
*Thawmus

Only three choices today. Thawmus doesn't strike me as a good way to gain information (though I don't know who things will "manifest"), Iron Ham as Cluemaster seems a good possibility for info-gathering but I put TMNT first as I know next to nothing about him.


I think we all bealieve on Thawmus. TMTN always defend me.

soo in my point of view Iron Ham is the man to target. but that is just me.

[scehaono]

i have reason to believe that you're incorrect there, thaw

[Iron Ham]

Wow... SO glad I didn't target Batfink last night.

[Thawmus]

List received and my choices are (putting them in order of "desirability for targeting" but not saying that's how I'm going to definitely do it as we're trying to work as a team here, I realize):

*TMNT
*Iron Ham
*Thawmus

Only three choices today. Thawmus doesn't strike me as a good way to gain information (though I don't know who things will "manifest"), Iron Ham as Cluemaster seems a good possibility for info-gathering but I put TMNT first as I know next to nothing about him.

I'd say, either do Iron Ham or me.

Since you don't get the exact powers of the person you target, I think you might come up with something more useful than what I already have, if you target me.

But Iron Ham has nobody to vouch for him. It might be wise to finally have that.

[CarlosMucha]

Iron Ham is Cluemaster ? then I have no idea who is the best.

[JackAssterson]

Since you don't get the exact powers of the person you target

*smacks forehead*

Well, that explains a lot. Somehow I went through this entire thread without that tidbit.

[Iron Ham]

List received and my choices are (putting them in order of "desirability for targeting" but not saying that's how I'm going to definitely do it as we're trying to work as a team here, I realize):

*TMNT
*Iron Ham
*Thawmus

Only three choices today. Thawmus doesn't strike me as a good way to gain information (though I don't know who things will "manifest"), Iron Ham as Cluemaster seems a good possibility for info-gathering but I put TMNT first as I know next to nothing about him.

My "pseudo tracker" ability could result in your death if you pick the wrong guy.

If you do go for my power, target me and you shouldn't be NKed.

(this is assuming you get the same power I have)

[Thawmus]

i have reason to believe that you're incorrect there, thaw
About what specifically?

Don't tell me the answer, just tell me what I'm wrong about, and I'll modify what I know.

[theanalogkid]

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is, Thawmus? Not only am I not mafia, I'm the least threat to any side.